Thread 280736307

In the latest financial report as of May, 25, 2025:

While our anime business already has a global footprint, our goal is to further strengthen the overseas

profitability of titles beyond NARUTO and BORUTO, such as BLEACH, Gintama, and Black Clover, and raise them to the same level as NARUTO.


>Source:
https://www.txhd.co.jp/en/ir/finance/briefing/pdf/FY2024_Results_Briefing_Scripts.pdf

>>280736307 (OP)
Bleach is rather easy, but good luck with gintama, lot of crap don't really translate that well.

make a bleach gacha

Gintama is a lost cause, it already ended and the school sensei spinoff will never be that big.
Black clover is possible but needs to focus on the animation and shilling of the ecelebs.

>>280736307 (OP)
>TV Tokyo wants to make Bleach, Gintama, and Black Clover as profitable as Naruto
So more souless cashgrabs?

>>280736307 (OP)
>bleach no where to be seen
LMAO no saving that cancelled shit.

I told these dumbass nuBleach fanatic tards who want to pretend TYBW is good. I knew this was going to happen the moment is was announced. Yes Cour 1 was good but so was the manga at the start and it got worse overtime turning into one of the worst shonen arcs ever. Using the WORST ARC IN BLEACH WHICH OLD FANS HATED IN MASS as a "comeback" was never going to work in the long run. The new director is fucking ass cheeks and far inferior to Abe and yes Kubo is a shit writer who should've handed the reigns to someone else a long time ago.

>>280737359
Bleach has costs, bc reruns don't.

>>280736521
>>280736307 (OP)
If they wanted to push Gintama internationally, it'd have made more sense to go with a spin-off that focuses on the shounen action side rather than the humor.

>>280736307 (OP)
Err...I loved the old Bleach because of the Ichigo and Aizen story. A hyper intelligent psychopath taking a normal boy and using him as a Nephilim experiment for his own purposes and becoming each others counterparts in the end. Why didn't Kubo continue this storyline? Could've had an arc where Ichigo joins Aizen because of how messed up the cycle of life and death or b/c how evil soul society is or something. Was Kubo too fucking lazy to explore something like that? Instead he kept making new characters fighting another new random side character.

>>280737506
If they wanted to push Gintama they shouldn't have cancelled the fucking manga publication in the west.

>>280736307 (OP)
>>280737359
>Yugioh still does not have MR anime yet
WHY???

Source: https://www.txhd.co.jp/en/ir/finance/briefing/pdf/FY2024_Results_Briefing_Scripts.pdf

>>280737506
nah.
The fights make no sense without the comedy and vice versa

>>280737400
I wonder if they actually will change things for the last season
because they need MASSIVE changes if they want to make the absolute dogshit that is the last part of the tybw arc bearable

>>280739071
They did say they'll have new content for this cour. As for if t hat new content is good? probably not if I'm being honest. The studio is too incompetent and lacking staff for that.

The entire arc needed a rewrite, but they didn't do that despite having an entire decade to do so. Instead they adapted the same trash arc and just added some new fights and cut a few lines.

>>280739134
Yeah, I had expectations they do some significant changes in the previous season, but turned out to be nothingburger
I'm interested in the last season just so I want to see if they still adapt the same story but expand some thing. Would be top humiliation comedy if the final bankai Ichigo got animated and have a fight but in the end he still lost and Yuhabaha leaves without any scratch

>>280736307 (OP)
I very much doubt Gintama will ever be as mainstream as they want it to be but who am I to judge a multibillion dollar corporation.

Naruto was a "right place, right time" series, much like Pokemon or Harry Potter. It came out right before the death of the monoculture. Everyone's interests are too diverse and niche to really have something take off like that now.

>>280739229
Considering all the people I knew already stopped watching this series a while back, I'll most likely do the same because I simply do not care about this arc. My feelings are the same when I read the manga years ago and my frustration is more so is with this comeback potentially ruining any chance of future Bleach content.

I stuck through the manga hoping for something but it was ass all the way through. A massive middle finger to all the fans who grinded through Kubo's shitty writing ass. Dear god, the story was so fucking bad. I love Bleach but this final arc was a struggle for me to get through. I probably wouldn't even be talking about Bleach's new season if the lingering memories of the OG anime didn't provoke me to give this slop a chance. Cour 3 already failed and the interest is dropping. if cour 4 does so too then I'm afraid Pierrot might give up on Bleach and that's the end for the anime. It's truly pathetic and the lack of self awareness is appalling. It's also evidence that those in charge have no idea what people actually wanted in the first place. Being below fucking IP's with no recent animes is just embarrassing.

>>280739269
If they think they can milk it more 5 years after it ended, I would argue that Gintama is already super popular

>>280739269
mainstream in the west, in japan is super big, bigger than bleach to be honest

Make a proper Tokyo Ghoul adaptation.

Naruto managed to ride the cusp between soaking up all the fujos and still managing to get boys to read it.
nowadays shounen is more made for fujos and everyone else recognizes how INCREDIBLY GAY fujo writing is. Just look at BNHA...deku is the gayest whiniest little shit in recent shounen, because he's so fujocoded.

>>280736307 (OP)
Bleach is already more popular than naruto
Naruto ended 10 years ago nobody cares

>>280739471
Gintama is not mainstream in the west dude

>>280738256
Agreed. Main issue is the fact nobody bothered to translate it overseas fully and so it never gained traction.

Yikes, should’ve done more Ichigo and Aizen stories.
>>280738133
Agreed <3

>>280737359
>Yu-Gi-Oh being more profitable than Pokemon
Kind of surprising there.

>>280739478
A mindbroken hack shouldn't be awarded a good anime.
Imagine having a writer's block so hard you end the series early and throw out everything you were building up.

I'd imagine producers are going to meddle with bleach cour 4 more.

>>280739501
Why don't fujos just read/watch stuff that's actually aimed at them instead of infesting stuff that's made for teenage boys?

>>280739514
Naruto is technically still ongoing because Boruto is part of the Naruto franchise

>>280739651
As a fujo, I would never want the source material to be altered. The fun stays and remains in fanworks. Purposely making it fujo bait while not being fujo is more repulsive to me T_T.

>>280739443
Well yeah what is a popular IP for? But it'll always be a niche show every where else.

>>280736307 (OP)
>Black Clover
Hasn't that ship long set sail? I doubt anyone even remembers that series anymore.

>>280739514
Naruto is still making money apparently and has the most successful Gacha in China.

>>280739613
Too late not watching.

The quinces continue to ruin Bleach LOL
B-but I thought they were as popular as the arrancars? HAHAHAHA

>>280736307 (OP)
I wish Toriko got big

>>280736307 (OP)
>>280737359
It's the profit of TV Tokyo, not the IP itself.

>>280739587
For some reason Pokemon doesn't get DVD/Bluray home releases, only rental dvds.

Is Bleach tybw even mainstream popular? I don't know a single casual in real life whose watching the new series. It's still the typical
>muh demon slayer
>muh naruto
>muh JJK
>muh One piece and Dragonball

I rarely see normal bleach engagement unless it's in internet circles.

>>280739892
>B-but I thought they were as popular as the arrancars
No.

>>280736307 (OP)
Aren't those all finished already? What decade is this article from?

>>280736521
Yeah and Gintama started in the early 2000s, the current gen might not get the references.

>>280736307 (OP)
>BLEACH
Incoming Bleach kai/remake.

>Gintama
Literally why? Did they just google MAL and went "yep, this is what we need to market more". I like Gintama but it has no modern mainstream appeal unless they start doing gags based on modern Jump which is already a joke.

>Black Clover
Boy they are really digging at the bottom of the barrel for this one. I guess when it comes back from hiatus they're going to give Black Clover proper budget, is all I'm getting from this.

>>280736307 (OP)
Isn't it too late already? What, do they want to expand them into a bigger franchise?

>>280739941
They mean the anime where they're on the production committee.

Reminder

>>280740514
Ask them for a naruto remake by ufotable

>>280739672
People get reaaally irrationally mad when you say that. Whew! Just wait for the schizos.

Tybw decline in the last two cours is an example of what happens when you overly focus on characters no one cares about. Hell arc should’ve been the priority.

>>280738256
>>280739561
The problem is it's too Japanese. One of the most famous skits involves a mockery of that bawling politician. Nobody would understand it.

>>280740582
As someone who enjoy Bleach casually/not a big fan I thought tybw sucks cause most of the quincy powers are just outright dumb
Like "I can imagine anything I want to attack you" as a power has to be one of the most uncreative power that a battle manga can make

>>280739825
Hang yourself cuckremy

>>280739672
Boruto was confirmed to be non canon

>>280736307 (OP)
Bleach isn't already very profitable?

>>280740630
Kubo got lazy so his manga sales got worse and now his bad writing is tanking anime. It’s just fight complication with zero good choreography. And the quincy just suck. All of them and holy fuck they are given too much useless screentime and leeway.

>>280740678
The issue is he said he will change it but didnt change shit
In fact it was revealed to be one of the staff pushing for changes. And almost got fired
Kek

>>280740016
The Thousand Year Blood War came too late. Only hardcore Bleach fans who were waiting for an adaption are watching it, otherwise you'll be lost on what's going on unless you rewatch or reread the series which not a lot of people are gotta do to catch up.

>>280740644
kek it do be like that

>>280740663
They want it to be same tier
as naruto

>>280740695
They had a kanzenban edition supposed to release but it got cancelled after kubo fought with the editor

>>280740693
That's crazy
I thought all those shortcuts he took was because he was sick and the manga was in verge of getting canceled
Now that he had the manpower to fix them he doesn't want to do it?
Motherfuck

>>280740678
Bleach probably could've benefited from the Final Arc being completely rewritten, but then there would be people complaining about it not being a faithful adaption.

>>280739825
The trailer for season 2 hit 3 million views in a few days, also somehow got the biggest streamer in the world to give it a shoutout and some other stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln_imebEmAQ

Maybe Kubo wanted it to fail.
>>280740732
Lol Kubo is a narc. He used a dead’s child wish to make an excuse to write that horrible ending. And look at the anime, he barely changed a thing just added onto it. Fucking liar.

>>280740761
Black clover is also the most viewed per crunchyroll stats

>>280740732
His shoulder was apparently messed up when he was finishing the manga. He probably doesn't want changes because it would require too much involvement and Kubo isn't an animation director or writer. Plus, he also was upset with the previous anime because of how many changes they've made.

Freaking naruto got a lot of cool shit like sharingans and akatsuki and all that chuuni shit, gintama and bleach got nothing like that.

>>280740783
>Plus, he also was upset with the previous anime because of how many changes they've made.
That was for the bount arc. He was fine with the rest.

>>280739941
its anime revenue you dumbass subhuman. bleach also flop in movie and manga sales is not that impressive anymore.

>>280740104
>Bleach peaked around a Zanpakuto filler arc and the Arrancar arc.
Wew.

>Gintama
>profitable
it's the biggest gaijin filter manga of all time

>>280740802
Didn't he say the changes made his "stomach ache"?

>>280740802
To add to this, he actually worked together with the anime staff for the Zanpakutou rebellion filler arc, and some designs even carry over to the manga. So I think he's fine with the anime.

>>280740842
Did you watch the bount arc? That shit was so bad and characters were completely ooc. It made my head hurt watching it.

Glad the old anime staff cucked Kubo from hell verse.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2zQqFWCcA4E&pp=ygUWQmxlYWNoIGhlbGwgYXJjIHRlYXNlcg%3D%3D

>>280740761
>>280740781
>views
Not that I'm doubting you but views mean jack shit especially from streaming. Millions mean nothing anymore when you having countries with a population of billions.

>also somehow got the biggest streamer in the world to give it a shoutout and some other stuff
Literally fucking who?

>>280740746
>but then there would be people complaining about it not being a faithful adaption.
Those people don’t matter.

>>280740695
>The Thousand Year Blood War came too late.
Did it? I enjoyed cour 1. Didn’t finish cour 2.
Started cour 3 and couldn’t make it past 3 episodes.

The Bount filler was a mess
it also had a villain who could blow up all of Soul Society but he decided not to because Ichigo restored his faith in superheroes, or something. ha ha, that's our Archer.

Someone is getting their asses whooped behind the scenes for this drop.

>>280740913
>Literally fucking who?
Ishowspeed
it also had michael jordan basically say he likes it when it came back

>>280740940
I think pretty much everyone agrees cour 1 is excellent. SS invasion, Byakuya's "death", Ichigo's fight in Hueco Mundo and Yama's fight, all are just good old Bleach stuff. Only after more Quincies get more focus and just the lackluster powers and fights started to appear more and more that casual viewers just lose interest.

>>280741025
Probably because it just becomes a back and forth between the shinigami and quinces and truthfully Ichigo's role feels so minor in this arc.

>>280741025
>>280741040
I started watching a month ago. Cour 1 is great and Blade is Me was one of the best episodes in Bleach history. I literally dropped it because Ichigo became a side character in the next cours. I’m disappointed. Felt like bait for those to watch only to snatch from the viewer in the end.

>>280736307 (OP)
Black Clover chads won big and keep on winning.

>>280741080
>>280741040
I'm fine with other shinigamis getting the spotlight but yeah, Ichigo got sidelined way too much and he also look like a fool cause he went down to SS to help the other guys but had to immediately climb back up cause the enemy's target was the Soul Palace all along.

Did Kubo get hit on the head during cour 2? Who the fuck thought that would good to adapt?

>>280739536
yeah, that's what i mean

I was interested in Ywach but they gave him that almighty bullshit and I lost all interest.

Instead of hax how about you focus more on skill and techniques to win a fight.

>>280741109
Aizen arc is the peak of sales so thats not it

>>280741290
What do you mean? That Aizen arc doesn't have a lot of Ichigo?

>>280741344
No. Ichigo vs Uquiorra remains uncontested as the most popular Bleach fight.

There are none in TYBW that match the hype of that.

>>280736307 (OP)
.... they are 20 years too late though?

>>280741400
Bleach can be mainstream if hell arc continues

This series was clearly supposed to end after aizen. It made no sense for it to continue.

>>280741438
>This series was clearly supposed to end after headcanon

>>280740763
>salty ichiruki talking points
I recognise you

>>280741650
Considering everything after Aizen sucked, it's a fair guess to make

>>280737506
Gintama is quite popular in China.

TV Tokyo are stuck in the 00s.

>>280740986
>it also had a villain who could blow up all of Soul Society but he decided not to because Ichigo restored his faith in superheroes, or something
Who? Kariya was that shallow?

>>280740693
>In fact it was revealed to be one of the staff pushing for changes. And almost got fired
Really?

>>280740646
It wasn't, retard. Kishimoto was just complimenting his friend.

>>280740598
You don't have to know the reference in order to find it funny

oh no!
anyway

>>280741438
>This series was clearly supposed to end after aizen.
No way, even after that there's still a lot of loose threads hanging
Ichigo's parents' backstory being the most obvious one

>>280740835
It even filters the japanese.

>>280743417
the one still not explained?

>>280743417
who cares about Ichigo's parents? I want to know why it's called Bleach. dead people should stay dead

>>280743513
Did you not read Everything But the Rain? It was fully explained there.

KNY make 2.2-2.5 Billion yen in single day. for context, thats more than ALL BLEACH MOVIES combined thats include Live Action too.

>>280742336
Kys Ichihime Kubo cocksucker, Bleach will never be popular again

>>280739514
>Bleach is already more popular than naruto
lol

>>280736307 (OP)
Naruto had a "right place at the right time" factor that I don't think any of those series can really match

>>280740913
>when you having countries with a population of billions.
That's been a thing since anime existed, schizo.

I don't see how Naruto got so big

It had some cool ideas and characters, but every single one of them was fumbled in execution

>>280748230
>I don't see how Naruto got so big
It's good. You're just dumb, that's all.

>>280748531
It isn't

I followed it from start to finish while it was still running, and the whole turns to shit after the first arc of Part 2

Cool ideas and characters wasted by a terrible writer. The war arc killed any good will the series and makes it impossible for me to even go back to the parts I liked, because I know what it's building up to. That's the problem with a long-running story; if the thing you were building up to turns out to be shit, then all of that build-up retroactively becomes a waste of time

>>280737359
it doesn't show how many IPs naruto sells, it just shows that it gives you more money
naruto IP could sell less, but the IP itself is more expensive than the rest

>>280740807
manga sales can only increase, retard
it will always be impressive

>>280737359
This is so embarrassing for Bleach. I bet they regret making it 4 cours. They should’ve just done the first one, seen it wasn’t going to be a success, and given up on the adaptation. Bleach’s popularity is dead

>>280748829
>it impossible for me
k

>>280749278
Bleach is practically dead in Japan. The only thing keeping it afloat is its Western fanbase. Just look at how all the recent marketing is focused on the West. They even renamed part of the studio to Pierrot Films to give it a more Western sounding name

>>280736307 (OP)
Naruto had an...edge to it for lack of a better word. And people died in violent ways. Bleach has literal grim reapers, slapping each other like action figures with barely any blood and no one dies.

>>280737400
pretty sure fullbring is the most hated arc, because it's boring

>>280749263
>it will always be impressive
bleach's lol

>>280737400
>should've handed the reigns to someone else a long time ago.
Like who? Kind of hard just to find a replacement writer for you.

>>280749278
>I bet they regret making it 4 cours
It was dumb splitting the arc in 4 pieces with a year or year + long gaps between. It should've been weekly. Bleach's old animation and art was fine as is.

>>280750249
that's been the trend this past decade, most of the big shonen get 1 season every year or two instead of a weekly show

>>280749278
I actually don't remember Bleach anime has ever been that popular in the first place. Everyone knows Naruto, but the same can't be said to Bleach.

>>280750071
if your manga sales reach 100+ million copies then yes it's impressive, that applies to any manga

>>280749949
Bleach TYBW anime always trending in Japanese Twitter, but not in American Twitter.

>>280750376
The original Bleach anime sold better than the original Naruto anime.

>>280750947
Really? That sounds unbelievable.

Why can’t Bleach draw dimes?

Is this entire thread just one guy replying to himself?

>>280751130
I was surprised as you are.

>>280749278
They should regret adapting TYBW. This arc was trash a decade ago and no amount of pretty colors will change how trash it is now.

>>280750363
>that's been the trend this past decade
except for DBS, Black Clover, and Boruto

>>280751134
They use Japanese Currency.

Delete the quincies from the Bleach franchise please

>>280736307 (OP)
>financial report.

That's just a wordsoup for investors with no meaning behind it, really. Also, Naruto had a rare privilege to be a shonenslop that got picked up by CN and Fox Kids/Jetix/Disney XD, so it was blasted worldwide not only to otakus but also normie kids. It cannot be repeated because the way how media is consumed changed dramatically, mentioned channels are dead, and only boomers watch TV.

At best we gonna get fuckton of side-projects, but who cares about another gachaslop and random merch? It's a cope from TV Tokyo, they probably too are going down and need to suck off investors to survive. The entire business side of the world is held by duct tape and good will of handful of faggots with money. The moments these faggots will get dissilusioned and cut-off life support for everyone, this society will collapse.

>>280738133
because of the Ichigo and Aizen story
there was no story with them
bleach was good till the end of ss then the arrancar side was alright the fkt arx was the worst part of bleach by far the aizen fight was good then got better with full bring and the tybw was very much better

>>280751313
its the same guy thats been shitting up bleach threads for months now

>>280752513
>The moments these faggots will get dissilusioned and cut-off life support for everyone
What will be the catalyst for this? My favorite series gets a terrible adaptation even after I supported it with funds?

>>280750040
Fullbring was hated because it was not needed. From perspective of Bleachfag the manga already ended and there was nothing to add except few scenes showing us Ichigo and co. in the future. And there came new arc with underwhelming villains and Ichigo's sacrifice being undone for no fucking good reasons... still, on technical level it was fine.
Meanwhile TYOBW was a trainwreck with plot holes as big as fucking canyon in Texas, blatantly skipped content and most underwhelming final fight in history of manga and anime. People praising it are on copium.

>>280752554
>>280752669
WTF is this ai?

>>280748829
The setting, characters, clothes, ninja system, power system, art, designs etc They're all unique and work extremely welll

Also the dialogue is fucking great most of the time (sakura notwithstanding). Naruto is like a shonenifed SNK

Naruto literally killed it's own reputation with Borushit. It used to be a juggernaut of a franchise now it's just another old shounen. It's not cool to normalfags to like Naruto anymore it's lame as fuck.

put nishio to design bleach characters and get him off naruto

>>280752968
>It's not cool to normalfags to like Naruto anymore it's lame as fuck.
What delusional timeline are you living on?
Tiktok, insta etc have naruto videso blowing up with millions of likes
Young football players praising naruto and doing signs.
Even though it ended 10 years ago
>Boruto
nobody gives a shit about it

>>280752968
Naruto could be saved if they wrote Boruto off as a possible future instead of THE future

>>280736307 (OP)
what does this even mean? gintama has already been adapted, everything was animated years ago and the manga is finished, the level of popularity it achieved is the level of popularity it ended with. You cant just pull more gintama out your ass.

>>280752513
Naruto has the most successful gacha in China

>>280753228
Why does tv tokyo consider it part of boruto? that shit is carrying it on the report

>>280753228
China sucks.

All I'm taking from this news is that Bleach isn't better than Naruto.

>>280740104
If anything the anime end up in a high point. Very surprised.

>>280753038
Stop coping man. It's getting mogged by nu-shounen hard.

>>280753659
jjk and kny mog everything yes

>>280753659
What nu-shonen? MHA and JJK are dead, One Piece is singlehandedly keeping Jump afloat

>>280753638
Ichigo having a great battle with Ginjo and smiling at Rukia was never going to be badly received. And they still managed to pump out another animated movie during fullbring so it was never a significant drop.

>>280747764
bleach = high quality anime ongoing
naruto = dead, boruto anime cancelled

The bleach situation pretty much confirms that social media presence and content drip are the most important things to maintain success and viewer retention.
Bleach had nothing but some mid light novels not even written by kubo while bc had manga chapters come out albeit slowly and a movie as well.

>>280753910
Bleach's cultural impact was nowhere near Naruto's

>>280752912
As in SNK playmore?

Looks like cour 4 is DOA unless they change up what made it shit in the first place.

>>280753821
>And they still managed to pump out another animated movie during fullbring so it was never a significant drop.
Which one?

>>280736307 (OP)
>and raise them to the same level as NARUTO.
Lol, those are fine anime and that's a nice dream and all but the king is on top for a reason.

>>280754428
Hellverse

>>280750376
It wasn't

>>280750947
I'll need to see some proof of that, and even if that's true, it's just proof that cultural impact is more important than in the moment popularity.

>>280753756
>One Piece is singlehandedly keeping Jump afloat
The absolute state of Jump

>>280754564
I thought Hellservse came out before Fullbring, so it didn't really affect anything,

>>280754335
>SNK playmore?
What is that?

>>280754908
I made a small mistake. It came out during filler, which is actually worse.

>>280736307 (OP)
Even Naruto isn't that popular anymore, the latest fighting game underperformed and Bandai Namco cancelled a couple games they had in development for it and has nothing new for it planned for the forseeable future. Boruto doesn't seem to be anywhere near as popular as Naruto was either.

>>280749278
>>280750249
>>280750363
Ever since covid these multiyear gaps have become the norm in the industry and its hurt every single IP they've done it with. You can't expect to hold peoples' interest in a story when you give them nothing in 2+ years. Other things are being released, peoples attention shifts, and the IP loses all of its hype and momentum. Jojo's might be the only IP I can think of that's able to get away with the multiyear gaps between seasons but that's because the way the stories are structured every "season" is a whole new story, so it's not as necessary to hold on to the audience's attention between parts, so long as you actually keep their attention during the duration of the part you're currently airing.

>>280753038
>Tiktok, insta etc have naruto videso blowing up with millions of likes
>Young football players praising naruto and doing signs.
Naruto's plot has worked against itself ever since Kishimoto retconned everything in the story. you can just create an alternative timeline to save the story.

>>280755057
>Boruto doesn't seem to be anywhere near as popular as Naruto was either.
That's because Boruto is truly ass. If it were released as its own IP instead of being associated with Naruto it would have flopped immediately and be totally forgotten right now.

>>280753044
>This
I'm still holding out hope that Boruto gets officially unofficially labeled as non-canon at some point then they just start over from the end of Shippuden or something and hopefully drop the whole ayylien thing and leave Kaguya as some kind of one off creature or something.

>>280755057
>and Bandai Namco cancelled a couple games they had in development for it
Probably nothing good and filled with mircrotransactions.

>>280755270
>officially unofficially labeled as non-canon
already is, did you read the new interview kek

>>280755392
No I haven't, what did they say?

>>280755270
They could just do a young Minato series if they want to do more Naruto.

>>280755425
—Mr. Ikemoto was an assistant from the very beginning of Naruto's serialization, so the two of you have been working on the world of Naruto together for a long time! Boruto is more of a collaborative work, so how have things changed in that regard?

Kishimoto:
It was a completely different workflow. For Naruto, I was in charge of both the story and the main illustrations while Ikemoto helped with things like illustrating backgrounds and drawing shadow doppelgangers.
For Boruto, Ikemoto is completely in charge of the story and main illustrations. It really is Ikemoto's manga.


its on the naruto site

>>280736307 (OP)
>Bleach
Already as big as Naruto in lots of places
>Gintama and Black Clover
LOL
Specially Black Clover

>>280755447
I wouldn't mind them doing a bunch of stories for side characters. There's more than enough genuinely interesting side characters whose lore could be fleshed out to last them at least another 10 years without ever even having to take the story beyond the end of Shippuden. Personally, I'd like to see more Orochimaru stuff, it's already been established that he's travelled all over the world after leaving the leaf, you could easily place him literally anywhere and be able to flesh out the backstory of both him and whatever location he's in.

>>280755462
Interesting. That definitely leaves the door open for Kishimoto to come back and write a totally different story if he wants to.

>>280755527
Black Clover has a chance at getting really big but they'd have to come back from this hiatus in spectacular fashion and then maintain a high level of quality for a while to pull it off. If they fuck up coming back from the hiatus we can pretty safely bet BC has no chance. I don't think Gintama really has a chance of becoming as popular as Naruto no matter what they do.

>>280755447
you're wrong. everything in the story is central to Naruto, and even then it has no logic, nothing was planned to make logical sense in a bigger world of ninjas. Kishimoto tried to write something else with Samurai 8 but it was a complete failure

>>280755783
Nah, Naruto world still allows many things to take place

however if you aren't going to go the spin off route (kakashi dad prequel or akatsuki etc whatever) then you need to involve some of the og characters somehow. Say a new country of ninjas , naruto still has to go there etc.

>>280755783
That's because nobody knows or gives a fuck about Samurai 8. They see Kishimoto and expect Naruto, once they see it's not Naruto they lose all interest. The fact that nothing was ever planned and the logic is wishy-washy at best works in favor of side stories, especially with such a large cast of characters people actually care about and a huge world that has barely been explored. The fact that it took them as long as it did to do something like the Minato 1 shot is honestly surprising, it's like a free money printer that they've just been ignoring all this time.

>>280755906
>it's like a free money printer that they've just been ignoring all this time.
They weren't, that's why when kishi refused to do more naruto they immediatly went the sequel route after it finished
not giving it even half a year break

>Bleach
#bringbackAbe#bringbackAbe#bringbackAbe#bringbackAbe

>>280754621
I cba going deeper than looking at the first page of a google search but I remembered hearing it on 4chan a while ago and this backs it up.

Too bad the link is gone, if you care enough you can probably find it.

>>280742417
Honestly they're still stuck in the 90s but even more sanitized, you can see it in anime like yugioh and pokemon where Tv Tokyo have too much power on the anime production committee and too much creative control. Completely bland and nonoffensive cartoons. And it's been like that for like decades. No way they're making those other properties popular with their kind of directon.

>>280755852
>Say a new country of ninjas , naruto still has to go there etc.
>>280755906
>especially with such a large cast of characters people actually care about and a huge world that has barely been explored.
everything that could be interesting would be contradicting the story so people instantly sees them as filler. we know who Kaguya is and that takes all the fun away from the series, we know that Madara is alive and what Rinnegan can do.
>They see Kishimoto and expect Naruto
that was entirely his fault for promoting Samurai 8 like the new Naruto. it's more like people lost trust when they saw what Naruto has become since the Gaara rescue mission..
>it's like a free money printer that they've just been ignoring all this time.
they are ignoring it because people don't like the story the more they show it. what can they do besides show Itachi murdering innocent people and being the good guy too

>>280755572
>>280755783
Side characters already get novels and stuff, some of them got animated while others haven't. The Gaara one sounds interesting.

>>280756079
Bleach sold the most in physical yes

Gintama also outsold all the big 3 including bleach. but nobody cares either

>>280756141
Gaara? you mean Naruto's bitch

>>280756128
>>Say a new country of ninjas , naruto still has to go there etc.
Whats' wrong with this? my fault for not elaborating but majoirity of people want to see more of the OG characters.
I'd welcome a new naruto country and discover it with entirely new characters but most people wouldn't tlike it. Though even me would prefer kakashi or multiple characters from the OG to make an apperance later.

>>280756224
>Whats' wrong with this?
because we know for sure what happens. there can be no stakes, nobody can die - everything is back to the status quo and it's just another filler arc with extra steps.

the only thing that can get back the hype from the eariler series is a completely new series that has no connection to the main timeline of Naruto

>>280756128
>everything that could be interesting would be contradicting the story so people instantly sees them as filler. we know who Kaguya is and that takes all the fun away from the series, we know that Madara is alive and what Rinnegan can do.
Kaguaya was an 11th hour ass pull, nobody cares about her, and Madara being alive is practically irrelevant in the grand scheme of the global politics going on in the Naruto world up until when Naruto himself actually enters the picture. They have the whole third great ninja war they could go over if they wanted to, which involved pretty much all of the ninja people are interested in outside of the konoha 12. I'm pretty sure Madara had little to nothing to do with that war.

>>280756141
If they want big bux and a huge boost to Naruto's presence in the modern day anime landscape they need to ditch the Boruto dumpster fire and animate more of these side stories.

>>280756079
back in the early-mid 2000's Naruto money maker in japan is the merch
>>280756356
>because we know for sure what happens. there can be no stakes, nobody can die - everything is back to the status quo and it's just another filler arc with extra steps.
If you don't include any of the Original characters than the manga will flop as people will cry about sakura or whatever.
I hate the no stakes shit from one piece so I agree with you. but I think Kishi can learn from the nu shonen something and actually kill people off

>>280756413
>They have the whole third great ninja war they could go over if they wanted to
all the people in that arcs are clones created with the main konoha 12 in mind. this is the problem here. people think they want to watch a glorified flashback but it's not interesting

>>280736307 (OP)
Not happening. The Naruto formula was too good. Too bad they ruined the ninja world with Boruto.

>>280756481
>but I think Kishi can learn from the nu shonen something and actually kill people off
I'm not buying it bro. Kishi can't write for shit. only if he gets an editor that is public about being his editor that's the only way for me to read something from him again

>>280755057
Those games are fun but so low effort, there are movesets from over 10 years ago still in there unchanged with the same cinematic cutscenes for the supers and everything
A Naruto version of DBFZ would probably sell really well

Why did this just turn into a Naruto thread lol

>>280756646
>A Naruto version of DBFZ would probably sell really well
The Ultimate Ninja games on the ps2 were kinda similar to that. I wouldn't mind a new version of a game like that, I never really cared much for the Ultimate Ninja STORM games.

>>280756622
>I'm not buying it bro. Kishi can't write for shit. only if he gets an editor that is public about being his editor that's the only way for me to read something from him again
The first editor did a lot of good but also did retarded shit like cuttting off missions. from shippuden on editors were actively harmful, by telling him to cut interesting arcs short to shoehorn sasuke
the minato one shot was good imo
I'll read anything naruto related from him, and if he draws another manga i'll also give it a try but if its scifi shit i won't.

>>280756750
see
>>280754483

>>280756769
>like cuttting off missions
but then we got the chunin exams thanks to editor, and they also created the Zabuza arc that people like, they expect that Kishimoto wanted to make more Zabuza arcs but instead even that arc was thanks to editors, otherwise that would be fighting Haku the bear against a lamer Zabuza

>>280736307 (OP)
>Black Clover
lol lmao

>>280756481
>back in the early-mid 2000's Naruto money maker in japan is the merch
This screams of insecurity. I never once implied otherwise.

>>280739752
We already know who's the Japanese audience.

>>280756883
>otherwise that would be fighting Haku the bear against a lamer Zabuza
Haku was originally a bear?

>>280736307 (OP)
>Bleach
Can see it
>Black Clover
Eh, I feel BC already reached its peak, but BC 2nd season is coming out soon, maybe some really good fights that can be used in Tiktok edits
>Gintama
Good luck making the series more popular in the West. In Japan it's basically fujo central.

Clover just needs good animation.

For Japan(with 80% female audience) I guess they can make the most popular ships canon, Ginhiji could be a little tricky, but Gin already fucks ugly old men in canon, getting him to fuck a pretty boy would be easier.
Also Kagura is 16 after the timeskip, this means they can add more ship scenes with Okita without worrying about the age gap.

Even the new Burger King collab is using the Part 1 designs

Gintama is a gag manga, with most of its humor being japanese culture in the 2000's or weekly shonen jump back then

neither are understandable to the zoomer audience (They'd only get big 3 / db references at best)

>>280753228
bless them

>>280758212
yeah. Naruto was literally going to be Samurai 8 if they let Kishimoto write it

>>280758686
A new season where they make parodies of new series.
It doesn't matter that the manga "ended", Gintama's ending has been a big joke for a long time.

>>280758212
>>280758825
let's put this in perspective. The main editor left Naruto at Sasuke vs Itachi, there were way less restrictions on Kishimoto and the new editors didn't care that much about the established Naruto (but only about making more money).
Right at the end of that fight Itachi summons the Susanoo and breaks all the relevancy of what the Sharingan can and can't do, and now everyone can summon the Susanoo, even fucking Kakashi

>>280758985
Kakashi only briefly got Susanoo from Obito's ghost

>>280759083
that makes sense?

>>280759145
It really only gets a pass from people because everyone likes Kakashi, yeah

What would you call a sequel to Bleach? Detergent? Tide Pods?

>>280760460
Washed

>>280737359
Black Clockver

>>280760460
Burn the Witch

>>280755614
This isn't a "new" interview, it was from the french one from last year where both Ikemoto and Kishimoto went to promote Boruto. Kishimoto said that because at one point he was doing all that with Naruto and now Ikemoto is doing all that with Boruto. Kishimoto said in the full interview that he drafted the Boruto story before Ikemoto went in his own direction and now he's more of an editor. That guy posting is being dishonest and trying to make it look like Kishimoto just randomly came out and said it's non-canon when it doesn't even say that nor was it in the context.

>>280760504
Kek

>>280740209
its ok, they had the references drilled into them by Roboco

>>280751498
>pretty colors
Most of it just a blue or purple filter over it. It's not colorful like the original anime.

>>280758885
>The oranges for Shinpachi's lack of boobs
Kek

>>280761502
>Kishimoto said in the full interview that he drafted the Boruto story before Ikemoto went in his own direction
So the beginning of Boruto is what Kishimoto planned and then Ikemoto decided where to take the plot?

>>280736307 (OP)
>Let's create 3 more Borutos
Surely there is better financial advice than this?

>>280756769
What are you talking about? Kishimoto fucking love Sauce to the point of making the main character a joke(the pathetic panic attack scene)

>>280756106
You are putting too much blame into TV Tokyo, most of Digimon problems are because of Toei cannot let go Adventure. TPC is also to blame for refusing to air the Pokemon anime subbed. Both Horizon and Ghost Game(and now BeatBreak) are an attempt to get out of the 90's shadow even if they are not soo good at least they are trying.

>>280740763
You sound like a psychopath, IRcuck.

>>280762220
Basically. But technically, Kishimoto outlined how he wanted the Boruto manga to start and finish and have a writer fill in the blanks, and Ikemoto eventually took the story in his own direction. There were even characters Kishimoto wanted to kill off, but Ikemoto stopped that.

>>280762590
>TPC is also to blame for refusing to air the Pokemon anime subbed.
Why are they refusing?

>>280762851
Other countries don't use the Japanese version as the base, they use the English dub, so TPCi makes money from royalties and licensing

>>280763218
So that prevents TV Tokyo from making any money?

>>280736307 (OP)
It’s impossible for Bleach since it’s such a hated series. Black Clover might have a chance if the new anime is well done. As for Gintama, its time has already passed, so that’s another one that has no chance.

>>280736307 (OP)
How would they with Bleach? It's done. TTYBW has what, one season left?

>>280736307 (OP)
They should get Khara to make an Eva series that takes place in the timeskip between 2.22 and 3.33.

>>280765642
Does TV Tokyo have a relationship with Studio Khara?

>>280740209
Is not just the references, Gintama is too damn Japanese to be translated, you get subs and that's as far you can get it without losing the essence.

>trying to understand the Kintoki arc on English
nope.

>>280768430
>Kintoki
GOLDEN, that's all I know.

>>280736307 (OP)
fuck tv tokyo

>>280736971
its had one for the past 10 years

>>280740807
Bleach was in the top 5 revenue for several years you retard

>>280769278
Bleach Brave Souls is still going on?

Fuck Tite Kubo

>>280740209
that happens when you based most of your "humor" in contemporary refs

>>280762590
Ghost Gamecwas good though unlike the other trash you mentioned

>>280736971
Soul Resonance is coming out 2026 and it’s the best Bleach game by far

JJK movie grossed more than all of narutos movies combined, then like triple on top of that

it's sold more manga volumes

it's already supplanted Naruto in terms of importance in the genre

>>280770120
>it's sold more manga volumes
*per volumes sold

>>280740761
Now how did that stop it from getting its manga and gacha axed?

>>280752968
I’m pretty sure the dogshit writing in Naruto accomplished that all by itself

>>280758985
What the fuck happened to the editor when Part 2 started? Did he just take a break or something until he left?

>>280757788
If they keep funding some of my favorite shows, all power to them.

>>280736307 (OP)
fuck tv tokyo

>>280770140
>*per volumes sold
How does that work? Sold more volumes head to head with Naruto's volume number correspondent?

>>280758885
>Gintama's ending has been a big joke for a long time.

>>280770120
lol JJK is already forgotten

>>280770819
Everyone loved Naruto right up until the shit that set up Boruto

>>280772070
I thought people only liked it until the finale of the Pain arc.

Shorter series = less material to make games, merchandise, and other spin-offs with

>>280770120
Naruto sold a million a volume until the end
the reason the movies box office wasn't great is the same reasong it wasn't great for all anime movies. It was before the kimetsu boom
anime movies now make much more

>>280736307 (OP)
>Sanseito wins in japan
They are fucked

>>280771058
It means volume by solume it sold better
for example it only takes a print of 2 million for a 100 volume series to reach 200 million circulation
but a 23 volume series like kimetsu needs 8.69 million to reach it.

>>280740106
>>280740269
oh my god they're going to boruto these series aren't they

>>280755711
Ishowspeed gave a shoutout to bc on his stream and he's looking forward to s2.
It's impossible to fumble this HYPE, unless, the opening song is complete dogshit.

>>280774708
>nig streamer

Who gives a shit. He has a peak of 60k viewers at his peak. Its not going to make bc mainstream

>>280740726
>They had a kanzenban edition supposed to release but it got cancelled after kubo fought with the editor
what is there to even fight about? isn't that just a reprint with new cover art and bonus info?

>>280741022
who????

>>280741080
now imagine what it was like to read this arc week after week when it was releasing
i think i used my lifetime supply of copium on bleach's final arc + naruto's final arc

>>280774888
Kubo posted a pic of one of the volumes and it was cluttered with the name unclear
So likely the editor told him to make the manga name clear and less cluttered and they fought

>>280748230
>It had some cool ideas and characters
it's this, that's the part that sunk its claws into weebs
>every single one of them was fumbled in execution
this was later on in the series but by then too many had been infected with the narutard virus

>>280751559
anon those began releasing in the 2010s
>DBS = 2015
>Black Clover = 2017
>Boruto = 2017

>>280774868
He's the biggest streamer right now and millions watch him.
This isn't about being a good anime, it's about social media and fan awareness which bc dominates compared to bleach and even nu jump series like sakamoto.

>>280775167
Boruto was on 2016 but it was announced in December 2014 a month after naruto ending

>>280736307 (OP)
How when long running weekly anime isn't a thing anymore? No major Western TV networks will take them either(western tv is dead). That was the main reason for Naruto's success, I think.

>>280775337
The Boruto manga came out in 2016. The Boruto came out in 2017.

>>280775054
Pic?

>>280768430
>Gintama is too damn Japanese to be translated
Even when I got the jokes I didn't laugh

>Remake Bleach
>Remove Orihime
>$$$$$$$$$$$$$

>>280771559
Even AOT does it and it's not a comedy series

>>280736307 (OP)
all of them are already dead IPs I dont get it

>>280778303
not the way tv tokyo sees commercial tv.

>>280771031
The Gintoki and Hijikata handcuffed episode was anime original.

>>280737400
It never had a chance to be good. Aizen is realistically the apotheosis of what Bleach can offer with the worldbuilding and story it has. TYBW is ultimately an attempt to prolong a story that has already ended.

No one cares about Naruto, JJK BTFO a long time ago.

>>280739501
Yeah true. Too much fujobait, low effort gag manga and pure axebait.

>>280779109
it's funny because aizen has no motivation and is absolutely retarded in how he supposedly set up the entire series

>>280739501
I havent watched/read shonen in maybe 8 years. Shonen nowadays is gay as fuck.

>>280779174
Yep, all the worldbuilding and story exists to be part of his keikaku basically.

>>280779198
Wdym? Loads of straight shonen like Blue Lock and Ichi the Witch

>>280779228
My jap friend mentioned Ichi it looks okay, Blue Lock looks like fujoslop though.

>>280779243
It’s incredibly gay.

>>280776709
GENIUS

>>280753659
>nu-shounen.
Some of which were inspired by Naruto.
It's the Dragon Ball of the 2000s.

>>280774689
what would a boruto'd gintama be like anyhow?

>>280751498
It's this. The last arc should've been anime original.

>>280736307 (OP)
How fucking deluded are these morons? Naruto and Boruto are only making a bank because of a gacha in China.
They tried a LOT with Bleach already, it's never getting to those numbers because they didn't struck oil in China the same way.

Naruto and Boruto are currently canceled. Just living off videogames and gacha. It's too late for Gintama to hop on the same train.

>>280736971
The gacha market is dying. There's no more room to make the new Genshin Impact.

>>280780820
But wait a second what you're basically saying is that modern...2020s anime I guess is basically made with the Chinese audiences in primary consideration, which makes sense commercially if it's a profitable market.

But if modern anime is basically targeting Chinese audiences, why don't we oldfags just stick to the oldstuff instead of throwing tantrums at stuff that you can't influence? I think I'm too old for this new fashion of anime

>>280780911
You might even say there's no room to make any more... impact... in the gacha market?

>>280780970
If they want to. But then why are they spending so much money making new anime for these old ass series? They probably understood this with Naruto and Boruto. It's not even worth trying anymore because it's making them money anyway. They're basically riding the good will the people have for this IP to maximize their profits. Soon enough they won't even have Naruto.

>>280739514
>Bleach is already more popular than naruto
got a source for that, buddy?

Tjhese guys also have publishing rights for Pokémon and Naruto still brings in more profits. Despite Pokémon making a ton more money than Naruto. Imagine being this cucked by Nintendo.

>>280740646
Dragon Ball Super taught me to not care about that shit. There's always the risk the author will come back to collect more money and use that strategy to get absolute brain dead retards such as yourself to pay attention to their new steamy dump.

>>280736307 (OP)
>gintama
They don't have anything to go by, a remake is unlikely and it would be just worse because the first season (201 episodes) was the best one and almost perfect, not only that but good luck making zoomers with adhd watch the first 50 episodes of Gintama.

>>280779198
Better than it was 20 years ago.

>>280782504
Not really, no.

Shounen today is dead basically. What's even left? Only Black Clover, One Piece and HxH if you mean traditional shounen.

2005 had a way better and more interesting lineup of series from FMA and Inuyasha to stuff like E7

>>280736307 (OP)
Nobody gives a single fuck about Bleach anymore unfortunately

>>280783414
Fantasy has tons of traditional shit.
Shounen is in the exorcist cocksucking era now.

>>280780534
No need for Boruto, new comedy arc after the final are realistic.
Matako gives Babysugi to the Yorozuya to raise, random bullshit happens.

>>280748230
>I don't see how Naruto got so big
you need to be over 18 to post here. anyone who was around would, despite its flaws

>>280748230
You got it right. It was the characters.

Something most other shonen lack. I can't name a single character from Hunter x Hunter that isn't part of the main cast. And even those slip my mind from time to time.

>>280780970
>why don't we oldfags just stick to the oldstuff instead of throwing tantrums at stuff that you can't influence? I think I'm too old for this new fashion of anime
What happens when we run out of old stuff?

Bleach should’ve done OVA’s or specials after Cour 1. Everything in cour 2 and 3 is too lopsided in focus and story and never had the ability to succeed based on how poorly placed the content is alone. How about a nice animated remake of older outdated fights like Ichigo vs Aizen? Or What if scenarios?

>>280736307 (OP)
>Gintama
Unironically how? Sorachi hasn't talked or even implied a sequel like the others

>>280779174
His motivation is he wanted to become God and reshape the universe... because he was lonely, I guess? Yhwach wants to the same thing but this time because his daddy's corpse is used to maintain the status quo. I do agree the way he set up the events in motion is kinda silly but it's par the course for shounen to have that kind of keikaku.

>>280736307 (OP)
Why did they rush the manga ending for Bleach?

>>280786477
The cope is that Kubo was sick, but the truth is that Bleach is trash and the sales were awful, so it got axed

>>280786555
Lol where’s the excuse now? Kubo isn’t sick yet the arc is still fucking dogshit.

>>280786555
It didn't get axed, kubo had a deal with jump.
He can write whatever he wants until it ends and he is immune to the rankings.
The shit ending is just par for the course, no one can write a good ending to a series.

>>280786752
Which gives further evidence that Kubo sucks and no one can blame Bleach's fall on anyone else but him.

>>280736307 (OP)
I love Bleach, but it will never match Naruto in profit. Naruto has always been ahead, and will stay ahead. Bleach has an on-going anime, but none of the volumes have ranked in the top 50 on Oricon meaning the manga isn't getting a boost meaning this adaptation isn't bringing in new Japanese fans. And before someone mentions X, western fans reading the manga illegally online and posting their takes on social media means nothing if they aren't investing money by actually buying the manga. Is the gacha game even doing good?

>>280736307 (OP)
they can't even make them as profitable as boruto, let alone naruto

>>280781609
I think TV Tokyo gets the sponsorship money. Companies like McDonalds and Sony sponsor the Pokemon anime

BUMP LOL

>>280789818
>Companies like McDonalds and Sony sponsor the Pokemon anime
What do they get out of sponsoring it?

>>280791018
pokemon is the highest grossest media franchise in the world

I find it embarrassing that the old Bleach looked better on a filler arc.

>>280791170
But is Pokemon showing off McDonald's products in their media?

LOL BUMPED AGAIN

I hope Boruto gets the DBGT treatment in the coming years

>>280768430
Huh? I was getting it easily enough back when I was teenager watching it online, there wasn't even that many TL notes just a pretty good fan localization

>>280794668
>Boruto gets the DBGT treatment
Becomes canon?

>We want the call of duty audience
time is a flat circle

>>280791519
It didn't. Sakuga segments don't count, every single shounen slaps one in and makes everyone forget about the 20 prior episodes of tween motion and sliding stills.

>>280795307
>tween motion
What's bad about it?

>>280736307 (OP)
I thought black clover finished?

>>280772070
So why does everyone shit on it everyday?

>>280791519
And it looked better than all the other shit you watch

>>280784233
Naruto has one of the worst casts in shonen manga

>>280791673
IIRC TPCi has constant toys promos with McDonald's

we will get the answer later this year when Bleach TYBW ends.

my guess, it's a toss between a full naruto anime remake or a bleach anime remake.

>>280795307
Except this was released on a weekly basis, so there’s no excuse.

>>280796829
Naruto remake then.
Good fucking lord yes.

>>280796829
Neither is happening. Naruto didn't even get the anniversary episodes that were originally planned.

I genuinely believe that in 10 years or so they are going to make boruto non canon so they can milk Naruto forever like they did with Kinnikuman

>>280779198
>Shonen nowadays
>nowadays
shonen today wishes it was as gay as whatever the fuck naruto and sasuke had going on

>>280736307 (OP)
I don't care, i just want a new series by Sorachi

>>280786477
are- are those real?

>>280799639
Naruto looking so tacky with 2 necklaces, while Sasuke looks effortlessly cool.