Thread 280893464

>Anime can now perfectly replicate cel animation What are we still doing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueB0oNajuEg

>>280893464 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn1GRZnzbHQ

>takes more effort
>more expensive
>looks worse
what's the appeal of cel? muh nostalgia?

Retro mouthbreathers will finally be able to make their dreams come true and make 6 million AI generated rip offs and fanfics of Shitty Hunter, Bubblegum Crisis or the same old 36 series they always discuss

>>280893505
Nostalgia, my ass. They showed that 10 second MODERN sakuga near the end and the "cel replicated" opening video still look better

>>280893532
>AI
don't shill your shit here, faggot. It wasn't made by AI

>>280893464 (OP)
>now
They've been replicating it for a few years now in U.C. Engage cutscenes

>>280893608
I personally thought there was still something off with those UC ENGAGE cutscenes. This was the first attempt that looks exactly like 90s shit.

>>280893624
>This was the first attempt that looks exactly like 90s shit.
You must be blind or retarded

>>280893464 (OP)
>clear digital aspects every where
>way too fucking bright
>CG

THIS LOOKS JUST LIKE MUH 90'S ANIMUS

Kentaro Waki is talented.

>>280893661
No need the insult, shit for brains. Go kill yourself

>>280893684
>CG
can you point to where it is?

>>280893464 (OP)
who the hell is this chick?

>>280893464 (OP)
Learn how to greentext I'm begging you.

>>280893729
I have no idea either. Then again it's been 13 years since I watched Wing so she could have been there.

>>280893464 (OP)
>covering the heero pits and 80s short + socks combo with a generic white jacket and jeans in an attempt to make him more generically MC like
Disgusting. Nice OP though.

>>280893464 (OP)
>japanese can't draw anymore
>so they just trace over cg and add filters
Grim. No wonder why the pajeets are flooding into their country now, because they've automated their productions so much it requires no skill.

>>280894046
>>280894102
>>280894151
Reminds me of the always perfect, on model 3D CG they use to make the new Dragonball series. Like video game models from FighterZ.
Hathaway was the absolute worst with it too, completely stiff 3D animations and many mistakes with twinning and lifeless, weightless animation.

>>280894225
Yes, it looks cleaner but this goku isn't cg. What are you even talking about?

>>280893464 (OP)
Are they adapting frozen teardrop?

Watching Wing for the first time since the Toonami days and the entire show is just 5 dudes trying to aura farm on each other

>>280893464 (OP)
>Perfectly
It’s very obviously digital.

>>280893464 (OP)
I would love a full season that looks like this

>>280893464 (OP)
i'm just happy to see 2d mechs again after gqux

>>280893464 (OP)
For comparison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICOwBtm8L_s

>>280894471
anon that's a 3D model of Goku that's then traced over and touched up with a pen tool that randomly splatters different line weight. They did this with DBS Broly as well.
Animators don't draw perfectly scaled to frame on model drawings detailing finger nails and animating to a camera that's on a rollercoaster panning and shaking with perfect perspective.

It would be great if the Wing series was remade with this animation but cut down on filler or poorly paced episodes. One can dream.

>>280893878
Now that is slop.

>>280893729
>>280893757
Wasn't in the show.
https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Long_Meilan

>>280893608
G-Reco also did it.

>>280893464 (OP)
>90 animation
audience:...
>ugly lens flare
YOOOOOOO

https://x.com/AnimatedViews/status/1948577874514247778

>>280895182
why did they show showed this in Comic con for?
None of these fucker were old enough to have seen the show.

>>280893464 (OP)
I had to look up who that was because she does not look like Wufei's wife in that shot.

>>280895200
1)Global push for Gundam
2)Wing was the first Gundam to air overseas
2)promote the 30th anniversary for Wing
3)Wing is still a extremely popular series. It's why they've been doing collabs with shit like CoD and Overwatch

>>280895200
Hopefully there's enough interest to push more Wing stuff, then maybe even.. Turn A.

>still ZERO confirmation of a new Wing anime
>still no Snow White or Warlock Gundam reveal, it's just EW shit

Fucking japs and their tired UC SHIT

>>280893644
Colors look great. The art style is just a little gayer. But that’s just modern artist’s natural inclination.

>>280893505
It's literally just Reshade for video, like with video games. You just turn it on.

>>280894102
It looks like they used AI to animate.

>>280894151
Thrusters thrusting, so kino.

It really doesn't look old at all. Lighting and animation look very modern. Still frames sometimes look out of 90s animes but otherwise it really wouldn't fool anybody. Looks pretty good, but not 90s.

>>280895782
Still looks better than modern dragonball

>>280895797
That's not very complicated

>>280893464 (OP)
I like that they copied shuko murase's old artstyle instead of the new one

>>280894486
Seems like it. At 2:20 the background quickly changed to frozen teardrop cast after previously showing their close up to be classic wing boys. It was very quick and done easter egg esque, like Heero remembering his past buddies

Should ve used JUST WILD BEAT COMMUNICATION for maximum nostalgia

>>280893464 (OP)
>perfectly replicate
lmao

>>280895168
G-reco will always look old because Tomino directs as if he were in the 70s. I was watching Gainer and there are some clunky ass cell flipping. Even though the anime was digital.

>>280893464 (OP)
Motherfucker, this looks so good.

>>280893464 (OP)
JJK bros....we lost.....

>>280893464 (OP)
Is it really that hard to this in a tv format? I thought they just put through a filter

>>280893464 (OP)
>SOUL
>souless
Jesus christ, even the chinese chick look less hot with modern artstyle

>>280893505
>looks worse

Are you blind or have shit taste? I suspect its both.

>>280893722
>>280893667
The backgrounds give it away.

>>280893464 (OP)
Why do they show everyone else posing but for Wufei they show his wife?

>>280896848
>wufei's wife
Wufei had a sex change and you don't think its a calls for celebration?

>ermmmmmmmmmmmm this is actually traced from cg and ai was definitely used
>doesn't elaborate further
This is an epic for the win thread.

>>280896801
Not just bg. The modern forced animation sakuga looks out of place done in celanimation style >>280894151

>>280893711
Gundams

>>280896989
Get your eyes checked

>>280896928
Jeet hands typed this

>>280896848
Why do you want to see Wufei instead of his petite wife?

>>280897043
If I was a jeet, I would be applauding it for supposedly using AI.
Is it so hard to admit that you're a fucking retard who just spews shit for no reason?

Wing didn't look that good on most episodes, people are just thinking about the openings and Endless Waltz

>>280893464 (OP)
Hey wait a second
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcFg3xOsR_M

>>280893464 (OP)
>Wufei gets turns into a chick
how ironic

>>280897154
>report
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

>>280896989
If you have made some effort to read the animation credits, you'd see that a bunch of skilled veteran mecha animators (and some younger animators too) did key animation for this short.

There is a very small CG team credited here, but they may have done CG layouts since there's no CG animation credit.

>>280893505
fuck off, zoomer.

>>280896948
Nah, those mecha action shots look similar to stuff you'd see in the more extravagant 90s anime productions, especially the back-to-back shots of the itano circus and the gundam flying away from the camera which wouldn't look out of place in something like Macross Plus.

>>280897568
There is you fucking retard

>>280895834
kinography

Wufei transitioned?

>>280897669
And what do you base your assertion on? The animation credits prove the contrary to your baseless claim.

>>280897638
You're a fucking retard

>>280897767
>unable to refute
I accept your concession.

>>280897485
>literally still cannot argue his case
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH MY POST GOT DELETED! A BLOO BLOO!
Wasn't the one behind the jannymelty, faggot. How do you retards like you manage to wake up every day? Do you have a sticky note on your forehead reminding you to breathe?

>>280893464 (OP)
>now
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XQzVK7LeDhI&pp=ygUSdWMgZW5nYWdlIGN1dHNjZW5l
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zFD6TujMsj4&pp=ygUUYXVyYSBiYXR0bGVyIGR1bmJpbmU%3D

Sunrise has bee doing this for years

>>280897764
There's CG credits listed

>>280897785
>The sky is green
>No its not
>I accept your concession

>>280897827
Read my second sentence >>280897568

It's likely to be CG layouts since there are no CG animation credits. There's also a reasonably-sized team of experienced 2D mecha animators too so there's no need to spend the extra effort to animate and render CG models.

>>280897845
>makes baseless, illogical claims
>get angry when people disagree
I accept your concession.

>>280897897
>makes baseless, illogical claims
Talking about yourself

>>280893485
>>280893464 (OP)
>mfw this is all just an ai filter
also
>Anime can now perfectly replicate cel animation
It's not only about the cel look itself nigga, it's just the whole animation style and vibe and music...

https://sakugabooru.com/post/show/53365

>>280893464 (OP)
>we saw Relena briefly but not a full recreation of this shot
One job

>>280897969
>It's not only about the cel look itself nigga, it's just the whole animation style and vibe and music...
proceed to show 80s animation instead of 90s animation

>>280893464 (OP)
Can't wait for I'll kill you scene remake

Noin was best girl.

>>280897742
This is a terrible joke, yet so close to the truth (an unhinged misogynist troons out).

>>280893684
It’s also AI assisted.

>>280899584
Criminal lack of Noinservice in this promo

>>280899677
Well, I'm glad Wufei found peace and a nice rack.

>>280899677
>troons
Kill yourself back to /pol/

>>280893464 (OP)
>Now
We kinda always could, Simpsons for the first couple episodes of its digital conversion would create dropshadows and blur to emulate the old cel animation as to not be too jarring. It's purely a matter of the effort and time not being worth it.
The aesthetic sadly isn't popular enough among normalfags and a lot of modern otaku who prefer things to look digitally clean.

>>280899878
>not Something Awful
How new.

>>280897845
>implying

>>280893729
>>280893757
Wufei's dead wife and the origin of the "nataku" nickname. An original Talgeese test pilot that took a bit of a tumble.

>>280900064
Because SAgoons are all troons

>>280893464 (OP)
>now

It's not exactly that hard, just take more effort and require staff being familiar with such artstyle. It's faster and easier to shit clean digital art.

>>280893464 (OP)
sexo

>>280896344
>G-reco will always look old because Tomino directs as if he were in the 70s
Anon, I...

>>280896290
Rhythm Emotion was the better song imo, but they play it at the beginning

>>280896948
The Heavyarms cut looks no different than something like in Macross Plus

>>280897742
That's his wife

>>280897742
i love her now

>>280893464 (OP)
If only more studios would go through with cel-esque styles megalo box was close but not good enough.

>>280893464 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0z6OQhlRlY
I know it's coming, but the delivery always kills me. Not even an anglo.

>>280897742
Does Wu-Fei have a daughter, Why is his wife fighting his fucking battles?

>>280897969
Your list of pre-00s anime watched is probably in the double digits.

>>280896948
The mecha action there is primarily techniques pioneered in the 90s.

>>280895657
They showed Chang Wufei's wife, who only appeared in his prequel manga

>>280908784
Wufei was originally a bookworm while his wife was the martial artist tomboy

>>280897969

You cant be too mad at these people, they grew up in a generation of perfectly square rubble.

It's a great looking set of scenes, I just don't like that it's practically a 3D animated setup now. It's dangerous for classical animators to work on projects that can be transferred off their desk and into a sweatshop, eventually everything done in the sweatshops.

>>280893684
>way too fucking bright
i dont think you want cel animation look then nigga, you want the look of shitty degraded vhs rips

Frozen Teardrop fucking when?

>>280912505
>Frozen Teardrop
>Prequel to the whole story
>In between anime after Endless Waltz but before Frozen Teardrop
>More world building since I still know next to nothing about Wing's world
>Press harder on the drone and AI warfare since that is the new hotness but is now old tale for Wing
There is a lot Wing can do. Wing can have a world like SEED if they pushed it hard enough.

>>280895854
>>280895865
>Wow sick fucking landing, Heero. *smiles*

>>280912841
Well last time he did the jump he face planted and ate shit.

>>280912505
Isn't that literally what they're hinting at the end of the video?

>>280893464 (OP)
>has literally the same animation and color saturation as g-witch
>people just notice it looks the same when they are side by side
toonami fags really are dumb as hell
https://youtu.be/ApO5gTjtfcQ

>>280912960
Until I don't see an announcement this can only be considered fanservice.

>>280893464 (OP)
Wingchads keep winning

>>280912960
No this is a model kit commercial

>>280913065
I'm surprised no one posted about that yet. The animation just suddenly switched to the g-witch animators and it's pretty jarring to look at when the switch happens.

>>280912723
>In between anime after Endless Waltz but before Frozen Teardrop
they just did this, but in manga form
https://en.gundam.info/about-gundam/series-pages/gundam-w/news/publications/02_14594/

>>280893464 (OP)
It's not like they could not before, they just didn't bother or leaned into "le digital coloring" for a long ass time which looks like shit most times because people think that just because it's easier than cel-painting it's also easier to make it look good.

>>280913481
all the new footage is them

>>280913065
The wing 30th animation is more detailed and uses an AI filter to emulate the cel shading.

>>280896094
>I like that they copied shuko murase's old artstyle instead of the new one

What's wrong with his new style?

>>280893644
muh husbando

This is supposed to be “perfectly replicated” cel animation? Fuck off zoomers, it’s looks like fake plastic souless trash made with CG tools and AI.

>>280913065
To be frank, I'd take what's some of the ugliness of this promotional video than whatever is going on in your picture.

>>280914098
Its exactly the same.

>>280913896
>more detailed
The gundam is covered in a tarp the entire time because mecha are hard as shit to animate. There's more weathering, but I don't know if that's really anything to write home about. It's a good job to be sure but it's hilarious to me that it's the same studio western secondaries were crying about.

I fucking hate object gradients.

>>280893464 (OP)
Gundam Wing is trash

>>280915585
in my country of glorious nippon we never even see this Wing. only fat american pig watch this.

>>280915585
/a/ is a parody of itself now. Its unironically the toonami kids they used to make fun of constantly embarrassing themselves.

>>280915585
>>280915606
>>280916965
(You).

>>280915585
this, why do you watch a real anime for mature adults like code geass

>>280918126
A strawman, how fitting

There's no point in recreating cel animation in digital other than when it holds thematic relevance. In the end you are merely creating a simulacra. A novelty that will inevitably wear off.
People during the cel era didn't have nostalgia for the cel look or a preconceived notion of it being the superior aesthetic like modern animators attempting to recreate the look in digital. They were simply using the technology available at the time.
This is assuming it is indeed possible to perfectly recreate cel animation in digital (it's not). Desperately trying to be something you're not is frankly troon behavior.

>>280918776
>People during the cel era didn't have nostalgia
i dont have nostalgia for cel animation. Cel animation aesthetic just looks better. Case in point >>280896457
Look at how much shiny bullshit they had to plaster all over the cut here to make it stand out >>280896473
when cel animation's flat coloring can stand out by itself without adding any extra layers of bullshit. >>280894151

>>280895657
The video ends with "Mission Accepted"
It's subtle but it's definitely getting something.

>>280893464 (OP)
>Now

>>280919652
the sequence after the op was clearly implying they were teasing a FT adaptation, no.

>>280893644
>>280893657
>>280893667
>>280893698
looks like early 2000s digital animation

>>280919696
This looks good but this does not look like anything from the 70s, 80s, or the 90s. It looks like space dandy with sketchy lines

>>280893505
>what's the appeal of cel?
It's actual art, CG animation is no better than AI slop

>>280893644
Fuck me, Duo Daddy

>>280919882
He's 15 you sick fuck!

>>280919903
Legal where I'm at, he can get it

>>280909438
That's true for most nostalgiafags who can't stop bitching about "new bad old good". Most pre-digital series also looked like absolute dogshit. High budgeted OVA's weren't the fucking norm, and definitely not what aired on TV.

>>280893464 (OP)
This cutie should've replaced Wufei.
Would have awakened something in me as a kid.

>>280899677
Yet Heero is the one who tries to an hero all the time.

There's temporal issues in the lineart that give away the filter I feel like a lot. You can see the filter try to reference stuff that would have been the same cel in cel animation and it changes for no reason frame over frame. There's stuff that would have been different cels in cel animation that has for some reason has the same sort of effect.
Temporal issues are a pretty strong give away for AI.
>>280913065
The highlight for that in the gunmetal is over 12% saturation if I pick fairly. In the commercial its 3%. If I cherry pick the absolute brightest highlight in the commercial at all its 4%.
I think you're blind.

>>280920374
I hate what they did with Ash. He wasn't a great character to begin with, but he was still a gritty little brat on an adventure and had some attitude.
They absolutely lobotomized him, then went back in time and rewrote history to top it off.

>>280920599
>>280920374
One issue about digital animation is that background characters look absolute dogshit in them. The lineart sticks out way too much so they usually dont draw face or simplify them but both look ugly. This was never an issue in cel animation

fuck digital animation

>>280893464 (OP)
Maybe op is exaggerating that they 'perfectly' replicated cel animation but man i would not pass up the chance to see a full anime that look like this. It look better than what came in the last 10sec of the video.

youtube video comparing the 2 op
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ybSXvLpLdM

>>280920599
He definitely emote more in the kanto part of the anime. They change him into a self insert type character after that

>>280922547
NO
FUCKING
SOUL.

>>280919752
You shouldn't want to anyways. Not that I don't prefer those eras but they all had their own decade based personality and appeal. You can't emulate that and seeking to do so only further undermines this decade. Instead of blindly chasing current nostalgia invent possible future nostalgia.

>>280893464 (OP)
Anime could perfectly replicate cel animation since the 70s, this is nothing new

>>280913896
>and uses an AI filter to emulate the cel shading
Why do people keep claiming AI without actually backing that up.

>>280918126
Honestly, it's funny to criticize "mature anime" like Geass when you're dying on the hill of fucking WING, one of the most childish and immature anime I have ever seen that DESPERATELY wants to be taken seriously even though its resolution to ALL WARS EVAR is absolutely retarded and something that could only be dreamed up by a 7 year old.

>>280920599
That's because you were watching a dub worked on by eight different companies over the course of 20 years.

>>280920599
I blame xy, made him into a bland shounenshit mc without any personality.

>>280914253
That's from the FT part of the video. The visuals drop the nostalgia look after the transition.

>>280918776
Retard.
Animation has always been imitation.

>>280923339
>one of the most childish and immature anime
Newfag....

>>280923339
>WING
>DESPERATELY wants to be taken seriously
What Gundam Wing have you watched, anon? The one by Sunrise is self-aware of its fun action romp nature, just like sCRYed.

>>280923862
I blame SM, made him look like a clown with no personality. Also you lost btw.

GCucks and Lesbian Witch of Mercury schizos are on overtime ITT

I'd rather just retro wank on wap, at least they respect the medium

>>280924352
Wing is not self-aware when it comes to what it is preaching, especially when its sequel OVA basically tells you that all the retarded ideals and resolutions it preached were actually correct and worked.
You're consciously mocking the show. You are not appreciating it for what it does well, you are appreciating it for being a fuckup.

>>280919696
This. G-Reco is not a fitting example but digitally emulating cel look has been doable since like 2010?
I recall a bunch of commercials, mecha one-offs and such using it. A random example being the anime they're making in Shirobako, but there's tons more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvFOx0IHgs0

And that's before touching actually cel-animated shit done today. Like 2016's Gothicmade.

You could fake cels for ages now. People don't because it's really not that popular.
Like how people go on endless tirades about how amazing color blending on ancient CRTs worked but how many nostalgia-bait games actually make use of it? I don't know any. How many at least fake the same effect? Once again drawing a complete blank.
I wouldn't be surprised if even in this thread most of the people had no actual idea what cels are and which part is cel, which part is different budget/style and which part is just fucking grain from upscaling analog frames of 240p VHS shows.

>>280924816
How many cel anime that were scanned rather than photographed are out there? Aside from Mata Mata Saber Marionette J.

>>280893505
everything doesn't look like plastic and fake

>muh CGI
i'm sorry but is this suppose to be an insult?
If this is how the process of tracing a cgi model into 2D animation suppose to look like, i fully support them producing mecha animations this way.

>>280893532
What a fucking retard.

Imagine looking at this and still think the modern anime aesthetic looks good.

>>280893485
best bulma haircut btw

>>280925542
Nice a.i. filters

>>280913896
It's not AI filter it's basic fucking compositing you dumb fucking nigger retard faggot

>>280893464 (OP)
JUST WILD BEAT COMMUNICATION

>>280925542
Do you hate Quattro?

>>280929595
Sandrock's there.

>>280893464 (OP)
>now
https://v.animethemes.moe/MahouShoujoMagicalDestroyers-OP1.webm

>>280895182
>ugly lens flare
>YOOOOOOO

I thought they were just excited about the idea of Sunrise making a Wing sequel.

>>280930038
this doesnt resemble anything

>>280896290
this.

>>280893464 (OP)
wow

>>280893464 (OP)
bump

>>280893532
retrochads will remake hxh with 1999 style first

>>280926137
AFROma >>>>

bumo

>>280893464 (OP)
You're impressed with this garbarge? WfM at its worst easily blows this shit out of the water.

>>280893532
>>280893684
>aifags vs. celfags vs. retrofags vs. zoomers vs. your mom

>>280893464 (OP)
we are so fucking back

>>280893464 (OP)
Look digital.

>Frozen Teardrop referenced
fucking FINALLY give us some new suits Bandai