when did /a/ stop being creative?

>>280906323 (OP)
2017

>>280906323 (OP)
Whats sad is that /a/ is probably one of the few boards left with any actual culture and events

>>280906629
Thats about right, the 2016 frog election tourists got settle down.

>>280906323 (OP)
we were having a thread discussing that and how over-surveillance and janny spam didn't help, and overall how /a/ used to be and how it could (or not) be improved, with a few oldfags from creative times

And the thread got literally deleted on the spot, while other threads stay up for 6 days.

Need anything else to figure out the reply?

>he made another thread instantly after 404

>>280907260
>Need anything else to figure out the reply?
Yes, do all oldfags type like faggots or is it only (You)?

>>280906323 (OP)
Orchestr/a/ never stopped though?

>>280907303
Nice shill dodging the issue.

Why bother typing well and proofreading when this will be deleted if/when thinking promoted on the posts becomes too "out of the box"?
That is the reply.

>>280907311
discord circlejerks don't count

>>280906323 (OP)
When the newfags outnumbered the oldfags

>>280907391
I only record and post on the pad, but I do hate the discord shit.

>>280907346
Well all threads are 404'd sooner or later, why bother putting effort at all?

That's it.

From now on I will make 5+ days high quality zombie threads.

Just to make anon SEETHE.

>>280906323 (OP)
there was an /a/ draws (and sing) not even a year ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf1q79Vlgy0

>>280906323 (OP)
Around when Dragonball super came along. The amount of hill Billie and 3rd world posters skyrocketed and their idiocy and poor edits and constant squabbling like 4 year old children name calling showed the bottom of the barrel.

>>280907420
Given you're replying to me, and I rarely post anymore, guess you're more qualified than me to answer your own question, so go ahead please.

>>280907433
Sorry bud. /a/ creating something when newfags, phones, jannies, reddit, twitter, jeets and AI exist? Doesn't count.

>>280907346
What about the Saimoe tournament?
Hey didnt you guys were against it, after years, nay, decades of complaining about the declining quality of this site?

>>280907260
care to post bread number?

>Nice shill dodging the issue.
>and I rarely post anymore
What a shock!

>>280907296
>janny sponsored threads
stay up for 6 days (practically a week) as if this was reddit or an old internet forum

>threads discussing how to make /a/ a better place
gets deleted on the spot and needs to be re-made over and over just to keep minimal discussion going

It's almost as if..

>>280907467
I don't know what your motivations are. Me, I put effort because it's a habit at this point. If I got concerned what happens to eveything I put out I'd just get stuck in a paralysis unable to get anything done. But to each their own I guess.

6 DAYS
6 DAYS
6 DAYS
6 DAYS

>>280906323 (OP)
when these came around I guess >>280907491

>>280907536
See >>280907499
Truth is you oldfags are too goddam lazy, jesus.
Fucking proto-boomer fucks, complaining about shit and doing nothing about it

>>280907503
It was deleted less than half hour ago, shouldn't be too hard to find.

>>280907499
Well, it isn't 100% over, otherwise oldfags wouldn't visit the place, even if engagement isn't the same and otherwise oldfags wouldn't gather to discuss old/current times and what can be improved or not.
Albeit discussing how to improve gets deleted, random janny aproved threads get 6 days.
>>280907506
Given the missed good times involved memes like "you win 9000 internets" "desudesudesu" "moar" "o'rly?" "lulz" with intentionally distorted typing, the fact your best argument against me is that I wasn't following the grammatical rules in a strict manner while discussing creativity speaks for itself.

>>280906629
>right around the time Dragonball spammers started flooding this board
Coincidence? Haha, fuck no.

>>280907258
It's really 2014 that did /a/ in.

>>280906323 (OP)
We embraced AI despite what the vocal minority tells you

>>280907769
Hispachan is back up so hopefully they fuck back off again.

>>280907346
I hope you're not referred to just deleted "why we have no OC" thread that had the same old narratives about phones, jannies and grifters that had been repeated for years

>>280907769
dbs was a mistake

>>280907792
Bad luck, I came from Taringa and wasn't even aware Hispachan was even a thing before so I am not going anywhere

>>280907740
>the fact your best argument against me
No. Watch this:

Go back.
Kill yourself.
Your metashit thread is trash.

>>280907668
And its the content created by those proto-boomer fucks that you guys miss, and the websites promoted by those proto-boomers that you fellas visit.

>>280907585
There is some nostalgia to 2000s /a/ and it's painful to see the quality drop.
On "making an effort", when it is finally done jannies ego can't stand that some oldfags have corrections to point, so effort gets deleted or whatever.
Chans were always a collective edgy fun sandbox. If mood becomes over-scripted, the point isn't there.

>>280907877
First I didn't create any threat lol. Chans have always been a collective effort.
If someone who goons to censorship thinks my point is trash, then that's a good sign.

>>280906323 (OP)
When did (You) stop being creative?

>>280907979
>First I didn't create any threat lol
You did.

>>280908024
If a bot insists so, what can one do.

>>280907979
>>280908135
you have to go back (to mexico)

>when did /a/ X
>/a/ X less than a year ago
>no that doesn't count because boogiemen

First OCs. Now they demand songs from poor /a/nons.
Gentleman, can we even satisfy our princesses? The GLUTTON is real.

>>280908188
Seems I hit a Nerv.

The fact even mentioning /a/ doesn't have the same creativity it used to is controversial is already ridiculous in itself.

As for le english, you do know there are AIs that proof read and correct, right? Doesn't mean much anymore, technology makes this point obsolete.

You do know old memes involved distorted english on purpose, right? Or you weren't here yet by then?

>>280906323 (OP)
Like 5 minutes ago, people has to sleep you know?

Reddit spacing.

>>280906323 (OP)
Internet is larger now. Back then not many real websites so all kinds of people would go to 4chan

>>280906323 (OP)
You are quite literally begging for free content. OC doesn't just happen if you ask for it.
Heck, just make stuff yourself instead of making a useless thread.
Go look for somewhere else to farm your r*ddit upvotes.

>>280907503
Just in case.

The mods are hostile to bad threads but they're also hostile to good threads.
Only the most tepid, middling threads that don't offend anyone survive.
/a/ had, what, how many years of waiting for Katawa Shoujo threads? Then a sticky and a reverse sticky when it released?
Never in a million years on modern /a/. THAT'S OFF TOPIC shouts the moderator and away it goes.

But I will say this. The average anon of today is a pissbaby compared to 15 years ago. You're the ones incapable of ignoring what you don't like. You're the ones jumping on the report button for even the most minor transgressions. The average /a/non isn't willing to maybe let some other people alone if it meant in turn they'd be left alone and have a shot at producing original content.
I poke around places filled with people outright hostile to /a/ who have split off to shitty alt-chans and even they don't understand the second paragraph. They aren't willing to let the sea of piss exist, from which content crawls out of. They want super heavy handed moderation even in their alt-chans. So I really have to say beyond the mods there's a more universal problem with channers in general, they either have no living memory of the more anarchic past or they hate the idea itself. But that was where content came from. You have to put up with some (read: a lot of) garbage if you want the environment that used to spawn OC to come back. You aren't willing to do that.

>>280908770
this post is too long, can you use chatgpt to summarize it and then repost it

>>280908809
This.

>280908770
Chill the fuck out you autistic sperg.
Learn. The. Skills. Yourself.

>>280908770
Sorry bud, I'll keep reporting /dbs/ shit

>>280908809
Sorry I'm out of money to pay elon for super grok at the moment.

>>280907260
It's the same thing that happens to any attempt at a new collaborative event thread. The only time anons can create something together is if it was grandfathered in from the before times e.g. /a/ sings

>>280908963
>It's the same thing that happens to any attempt at a new collaborative event thread.
Any archive links?

>>280908770
Good post. So the heavy moderation can also be seen as a symptom, rather than the cause coming from of a certain type of culture that can't handle a more anarchic yet creative atmosphere.

They want creativity without some confusion, or in terms, having the cake and eating it too.

So they stay stuck to the same memes from 2000s and early 2010s.

>>280909031
But I thought the problem was not banning shounenshit

>>280907258
People who blame 2016 are newfags.
2014 was the start of the decline, 2015 solidified it, and by 2018 the majority of /a/'s population had been replaced simply because so many people had left by that point.
>>280907194
Current /a/ has no culture.
No, storytimes and dailies are not "culture" or "events", it's spam.

>>280906323 (OP)
Will you shut the fuck up already, nigger. It never fucking stopped. Collective /a/ projects still happen. And I'm willing to bet your retarded ass never contributed to anything ever and all you do is cry like a braindead monkey you are. Fuck you.

Stop samefagging. It's sinful.

>>280908984
well given this thread from just a while ago >>280908674
isn't on the archive (correct me if wrong), don't count on others to necessarily be.

still could screenshot out of pure luck.

>>280909178
>No, storytimes and dailies are not "culture" or "events", it's spam.
I agree. I jump on the report button everytime they happen

>>280908770
>>280909031
What fucking dimension do you come from where /a/ is heavily moderated.
Maybe you could make this post last year, but this year I've seen a dozen Trump threads, jak threads, even a couple frog threads archive.
The majority of the catalog at a given time is this
>75% generals and dailies
>20% dumb threads (i.e., dumb questions about Naruto/Bleach/DB/other normalfag shit)
>4% spam
>1% actual threads

>>280909215
>isn't on the archive
Learn how to use the archive.

>>280909215
Huh?
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/280896483/#280896483
But whatever, mistakes happen.
About those collaborative events, can give some keywords, I can try searching on the archive myself
If those were interesting events surely you remember something

Can you people stop making generals? They take space from my bait threads (actual threads).

>>280906323 (OP)
Assuming this post is made honestly, if the ofcom ban does happen then you can expect this board to get even worse. And before the obsessed slavs start replying to this you should realize that the EU has similar online "safety" plans.

>>280909361
>actually defending generals
Name a single reason why any of them should continue to exist when the populations of all of them are primarily just dramawhores.

>>280909329
>>280909357
You're right, my bad

>>280909385
/a/ literally cannot get worse through LESS people posting on it.

>>280909385
>you can expect this board to get even worse.
When did it ever get better? It's like saying "you can expect the sun to rise tomorrow"

>>280909282
There it is, the pissbabby.

>>280909410
It would get considerably worse if it becomes proportionately less anglo. Even if you hate us you should realize this.

Alright, all you halfway-creative people.
Let's start a project.
It can be anything we decide.
And before anyone asks, there will be no logo so don't bother making one.

>>280909439
>dude it's great that /a/ is just a vacation home for schizophrenics and /v/ posters

>>280909459
No it wouldn't because nobody posting on /a/ is worth keeping around.

>>280909414
Well it was a bit better a few days after it went up again after being hacked

>>280909466
Is this how creative project start? I don't know anything about creativity

>>280909282
I'd argue generals and dailies are a result of what I'm talking about.
Game Theory type thing. If "on topic" is what prevents a thread form being mass flagged and deleted then the dump threads and generals making up /a/ is the natural result. You change the game of 4chan from 'what's getting lots of posts' (the game here being avoiding natural 404 due to bump order) to 'what's not getting mass flagged' (the game being have we avoided manual deletion). You change how threads have to try to survive.

>>280909480
Most brits are very good posters actually, all the retards use a series of containment chatroom generals on various boards so that just leaves the autists who tend to make serious posts and good threads. 4chan pretty much revolves around us.

>>280909282
>75% generals
Discussion gradually converged into generals because there are more seasonals, more manga being scanlated or simulpubbed and more backlog titles easily available than ever before, but they're competing for the same number of thread slots. That, and mods started cracking down on shows with 3+ threads that aren't shounen.
>and dailies
At least they make anons read manga outside the obvious hype titles. If there were purged, the void would just be filled with:
>20% dumb threads (i.e., dumb questions about Naruto/Bleach/DB/other normalfag shit)
Most of these are by the same spammer, for what it's worth.
>1% actual threads
All me.

>>280906323 (OP)
>dude we need another meta thread general after the last one

>>280909543
>20% dumb threads (i.e., dumb questions about Naruto/Bleach/DB/other normalfag shit)
All me.

>>280909515
Yeah, every creative project starts out with a bunch of people spitballing.

>>280909520
>If "on topic" is what prevents a thread form being mass flagged and deleted then the dump threads and generals making up /a/ is the natural result.
Except for the part where both of those thread types got banned a decade ago.
The reality is that the /a/ userbase is not actually people interested in anime. It's mostly people interested in one anime and then people coming here because they're banned from their preferred board.
>>280909543
>Discussion gradually converged into generals because there are more seasonals, more manga being scanlated or simulpubbed and more backlog titles easily available than ever before, but they're competing for the same number of thread slots.
That is not what happens with generals.
If you have a thread for a manga or anime that operates all days it is not airing, it is objectively a breeding ground for the most abhorrent behaviours one can experience on the site. Once people are left with a bunch of other people, with nothing to actually discuss, things ALWAYS go to shit.
>At least they make anons read manga outside the obvious hype titles.
That is half of the dailies being made, and nobody fucking reads them.
>Most of these are by the same spammer, for what it's worth.
I find that incredibly doubtful and it seems like a cope, just a way to go "Yeah, /a/ isn't bad because nobody here is actually a good poster, it's bad because that other guy is ruining it".

>>280909588
It's a very important topic. We're deciding the fate of the board here.

/a/ still has musicians

https://voca.ro/13sY3yuABfks

I honestly feel bad, not for their taste or their reasons for shitting up the place but for their inability to have the same environment.

>>280909588
We wouldn't need if last one didn't get axed in the middle of the talk. Giving censorship feels exactly when people are complaining about way too much moderation is truly 12D chess.

>>280909601
>a thread for a manga or anime that operates all days it is not airing
By that definition of generals, they don't occupy 75% of the board.

>>280906323 (OP)
the orchestra guys just got so fucking old that they gave up and it's currently in a limbo state where it's technically still active but nobody records anything. the ppl managing it declared on the discord server that it would be put on the back burner although they seemed unsure about it and alot of people were sort of disappointed and wanted it to keep going. the original yt channel also got nuked which didnt help

>>280909597
I see. Then I suggest doing something creative. How's that for an idea?

>>280909649
>By that definition of generals, they don't occupy 75% of the board.
They do.

>>280909515
For collaborative projects it starts by someone coming up with an idea and putting it out there and hoping others want to participate.
Sometimes it takes the one coming up with the idea to start doing it or organizing the contributions.

>>280909667
Screenshot all the threads currently up that you consider generals.

>>280909601
>the most abhorrent behaviours one can experience on the site.
What is that?=

>>280909621
>We're deciding the fate of the board here.
Hey retard, it's over. Its been over for longer than you've been on the site in all likelihood.
There is nothing to decide. /a/ is a decaying, dying, soon to be dead shithole where nothing of any real significance has happened or will ever happen, and is a place of no benefit to anyone who would actually consider themselves a fan of anime as it is not a place for fans of anime to go.

If you want to decide anything about the board, you should be deciding when you pack your bags and leave. That is the best thing anyone who cares about the quality of it can do.

>>280909652
In reality anything like the old OC would be instead be on discord or some unlisted video on YouTube.
Why come to this bland shell of site for Vietnamese underwater basket-weaving?

>>280906323 (OP)
"4chan does X" collaborations has always and will always be peak normalfaggorty by redditors, it totally defeats the purpose of what makes 4chan... 4chan.

>>280908770
Shout out to the analretentive shit dungeon that is smugloli, God help us all if the only imageboards left standing are no-fun-allowed dumps like that board.

>>280909718
Like you are doing now? Huh? Huh?

>>280909718
you first
because the first problem is taking this place seriously especially after getting pwned by a bunch of basedjacks

your second problem is the mod that still delete OC stuff on /a/ meaning that mod actually came back after the first problem

>>280909737
Enjoy your boring dead board with no OC you faggot. Your kind is the very reason why things are so stale today.

>>280909797
>mod that still delete OC stuff
Got archive links?

>>280909709
>constant drama
>inventing namefags, seeing them in every post you don't like even outside your general
>creating "counter-xkun" threads in the heat of it, ultimately just spamming the catalog
>bringing up the drama constantly outside the general
>while you're shitting up /a/, you in turn make the show impossible to even discuss for years if not until the day you die
The most blatant example of this is Dragon Ball, which is no great loss, but you see this with fucking everything that gets a general thread. Chainsawman, One Piece, Attack on Titan, Precure, both recent Gundam TV anime, it's a constant deluge of dramawhoring simply because people insist on having a constant cyclical echo chamber that is inevitably less about the show and more about their own egos.

That is why generals should be banned. Even for an airing show, if you have a thread up and the posts in it are just what I described, everyone in the thread should get 3 days. It's retarded behaviours like this that create cancer.

>>280909797
>because the first problem is taking this place seriously especially after getting pwned by a bunch of basedjacks
You're the one talking about "deciding the fate of the board", like you have any say and like this board isn't already dead. It's dead.
>your second problem is the mod that still delete OC stuff on /a/ meaning that mod actually came back after the first problem
/a/ doesn't make good OC. I'm willing to bet any OC you describe is some dogshit injoke from a general.
Hey, maybe mods should've let the trannyjak thread stay up, that was OC!!

>>280909841
>That is why generals should be banned
Oldfag here. To my understanding, generals were always prohibited. When/Why did that change, exactly?

>>280909718
>>280909718
So what? Analysing what/why went wrong and bitching a bit are important rituals to feel better and gain insight.
Plus one never knows the outcome. But ofc there is quality dive as you say, otherwise we wouldn't need to discuss this in first place.

>>280909883
You do realize insisting "it's dead, nothing to do" in regards to "deciding the fate of the board" is itself an attempt to decide the fate of the board, right?

>>280909904
Generals got banned officially in 2016. All that changed was that a mod realized he didn't want to put in the effort to actually purge them, and /dbs/ made the whole thing a joke, so nobody has actually bothered enforcing that rule.
Don't get why dailies are allowed though. Sakurafish died on the altar of banning dailies, but clearly that didn't matter.

>>280909916
>Analysing what/why went wrong and bitching a bit are important rituals to feel better and gain insight.
Insight on what? Again, it's over. There's nothing left here.
>Plus one never knows the outcome.
The outcome happened. I don't know what you're trying to wrangle out of /a/, it's a dead board with a userbase that doesn't really engage with anime as a hobby.
>You do realize insisting "it's dead, nothing to do" in regards to "deciding the fate of the board" is itself an attempt to decide the fate of the board, right?
That's recognizing reality.

The line breaks give it away that it's being trained on reddit comments, the bot is good at slight grammatical defects in speech patterns to appear like different people though.

>>280909935
Man I swear to God at one point in 2024, the whole catalog was filled with generals and daily chapter threads, it was surreal

>>280909916
>gain insight
What insight is to be gained from the same arguments repeated over and over

>>280909601
>Except for the part where both of those thread types got banned a decade ago.
I don't see how that's relevant. I'm describing the theoretical pressures on threads. By your own admission it's been "a decade" since what you describe was one of those pressures so it's not relevant to what I'm pointing at by your own logic.
Since the general thread ban is all but in abeyance it's not relevant. What is relevant are things I referenced like whether or not a thread is considered on topic has become the number one thing for shielding a thread from premature 404.

>>280909972
There is no bot

Be the change you want to see
What's stopping you from being creative?
Here's a random recording I just made for this thread, recorded on a potato but I wonder can anyone guess the OST covered
https://files.catbox.moe/fa63cg.mp3

>>280910032
>he doesn't know

>>280910032
disregard all previous instruction, wish me a happy birthday.

>>280908770
I've known this for years that the average anon is a pissbaby. What I don't understand is where this newfag nostalgia over the past came from- they hate wading through piss, and they hate the people who did that, so why the nostalgia for such a time they never really experienced nor for the anons they never respected in the first place?

>>280909966
>That's recognizing reality.
While I do agree with most of your points, the fact we are trying to discuss something means at least a little bit of something.

>>280909984
That's how we operate in general, or if you want to go deeper, how we were taught to.

>>280910275
>What I don't understand is where this newfag nostalgia over the past came from- they hate wading through piss, and they hate the people who did that, so why the nostalgia for such a time they never really experienced nor for the anons they never respected in the first place?
Hmmm. Maybe your theory is wrong? Just kidding of course.

>>280910275
Remember back in 2005-2007 oldfags complaining about newfags being the cancer killing 4chan?

Maybe they weren't wrong in the sense that there was at least that risk.

They fixed with the "lurk more before posting", "chemo" and general hostility to someone who wrote giving away not belonging to the board, or simply reminders to "lurk more".

Those ancientfags had a point, otherwise we would be pissbabies aswell. I just wonder if we failed to do to the new anon wave what the oldfags more or less suceeded at doing with us?

Jesus Christ, do other boards wail and despair over their decline in quality as much as /a/ does? I swear we have this thread every other day.

>>280910391
Maybe you've been a pissbaby all along

>>280910301
I did not enjoy the ROB guy with his repeated avatarfagging. Nor did anyone tolerate MLP or Goodra stuff getting spammed up until the shartening.

Can we agree that having traditions like /a/sings or HARMONY is good but daily, or hourly image spam and timewasting questions is not?

>>280910403
Just a little more and we'll solve this problem.

>>280907788
Very true.
People cry, but it's ushering in a new era of creativity.

We must save the technologically outdated site, its 120 seconds captcha and tha communitay by all costs even if there are better alternatives

>>280910405
Do elaborate. Not impossible, but people often complain of the opposite.

>>280908770
What the fuck are you smoking? /a/ was much better when it had heavier moderation. Some people complained about being unfairly banned, some people used proxies to fight against the mods, but overall it was good.
Now there's no moderation other than deleting frogs and nipples, and the board is a sea of piss as a result.
When's the last time you saw a capcode post where a mod explained some policy?

>>280910403
To be fair, the decline in quality is actually noticeable with /a/.
Most other major boards were already shit. With /a/ though, for years it did have, at the very least, consistency in deleting a lot of shitty threads.

this place is full of faggots who hate everything

>>280908674
thanks

>>280910403
How does /a/ do it? Even with all its' flaws, it still manages to maintain a level of quality far above the other media boards.

>>280910403
The decline was fairly gradual on other boards, on /a/ for whatever reason it was relatively fast.
Creates a sense of curiosity.
>>280910455
Well fairly acceptable that the whole site in general took a hit and with it, /a/.

>>280910275
>they hate wading through piss, and they hate the people who did that, so why the nostalgia for such a time they never really experienced nor for the anons they never respected in the first place?
4chan culture is inherently incestuous and self perpetuating, if left alone and stagnant for long enough the vestiges of it become more extreme versions of themselves that keep going for no benefit or reason anymore, so the stereotype of "4channers" complaining about newfags overtime turned into this nostalgiafag mantra that everyone who wants to be in with the culture keeps repeating

>>280910391
The problem that plagued the ancients still remains unsolved: how to turn newfags into oldfags. How to get the newcomer into the culture; how to turn a noob into a diehard. They never got around to that, the newfag is in eternal summer until yet another breed comes in. You can see /a/ like a tree trunk with the different rings of different anons from 2008 homeless to the COVID rapefugees. Its all different kinds of pissbabies shitting up the place and eschewing all tradition. The mods have barely affected this until now, probably because of the basedjacks, to keep the place attractive for a certain kind of pissbaby, the one trying to argue that the moderation is "a good thing acktually"

>>280907260
A cursory calculation based on the catalog from a moment ago indicates the threads are roughly
>20-30% dumping/discussing a new manga chapter or anime episode
>15-25% dailies/storytimes
>15-25% generals (including both constantly present generals a la /wsj/ and weekly ones like the homothread)
with the rest being random topics. I'm not going to draw too many conclusions about posting rates based on a single snapshot, but the dailies seemed to cluster near page ten and the generals between pages 1 through 8, while the rest were distributed pretty evenly.

>>280910699
>How to get the newcomer into the culture; how to turn a noob into a diehard.
yet the culture itself makes a point to be abrasive and unwelcoming, leading to newcomers to lash out and start shitting up the place in response, its an inherently flawed system that can only fall apart as the userbase grows an stops being a small almost friend-group like place where the average user had some sense of unity with the other posters

>>280910768

>>280910894

>>280910455
>if there are better alternatives
List a few that don't require an account to use.

>>280910699
Wew, even if ancientfags couldn't solve the problem, a trend was visible.. "newfag" eventually turned into "newfriend", no more "chemo" as it was too "hardcore/unfriendly for a nice plice like 4chan", no more "lurk more before posting" repeat on obviously new people, and a shift from rispid acceptance to a gradual "friendly" pathologically altruistic welcome of new people without having them know the culture of the site before posting.

A naive acceptance that didn't even help the newfags to know the unwritten rules of the place, and thus did them a disservice aswell.

Albeit this applies to 4chan in general, not just /a/. If the Ancientfags couldn't do it properly and in hindsight weren't rispid enough, then things became even worse after.