Thread 280907810

Final.

>>280907810 (OP)
CANUTE? WON
INDIAN VEGETA? WON
PACIFISM? LOST
KEKNAR? LOST

So what is his legacy?

Magazine ending is not the real vision of the ending perhaps, just wait for the real final in volume release

>>280907810 (OP)
Didn’t Leif Erikson just return after the expedition failed

>>280907810 (OP)
So what did we learn /a/?

So did this manga actually get anywhere or was it all pointless?

>>280907810 (OP)
Garbage manga in the end, completely fell apart after the opening saga. Good riddance.

>>280908134
Ukraine must capitilate. A true warrior doesn't need a gun!

>>280907810 (OP)
finally over? I will now read your manga

storytime when?

>>280908159
>pointless
Quick tip: stop thinking that a manga exists to teach a moral lesson.

>>280908877
it shouldnt?

>>280908134
Never trust mangaka who skip Byzantine.

>>280908807
Volume release

What a sour aftertaste

>>280909013
maybe the real expedition was the friends we made along the way

>>280908982
when it releases?

>>280908930
it went from 9/10 manga when telling genuine Viking history accurate story to 4/10 manga when author started pushing his moral-pacifist ideology

When facts can't backup your ideology then you are wrong and your creation by which you try to convey something, will turn into crap

>>280909061
No date yet

Post characters that did the idea of peace better

I am glad that the rest of the anime will never be made

>>280909072
>genuine Viking history
Yeah, fucking 5' tall midget doing ninja backflips and spinny stabs while a gorilla with broomhair chucks trees at people is super genuine history.

>>280909049
The friends we made along the way in these threads are gone because they dropped the manga years ago.

>>280909072
>When facts can't backup your ideology then you are wrong and your creation by which you try to convey something, will turn into crap
why not? Braveheart is still great
>>280909097
Didnt he ruined the world?

>>280909072
>when author started pushing his moral-pacifist ideology
It was there from the start you speedreading piece of shit.

>>280908134
never trust the red skins

>>280909126
Nah. X created Neo Arcadia and there was peace for about 100 years. Not only that, but he found the cure for the Sigma Virus and put an end to it in Elf Wars beforehand. Copy X and Ciel were the ones who fucked it all up in a short amount of time, and it only gets worse from there to ZX to Legends with ZX events leading to the world flood and extinction of humanity.

>>280907810 (OP)
My honest opinion of the ending:

>>280908645

Its a fucking wall idiot, walls prevent wild animals to attack and serve multiple other purposes, you dont know a shit about logistics and thorfinn is potrayed as "veteran mercader"

based ending just for this
you cant refute

>>280909226
Why are you arguing with a guy who poops upstream?

>>280909112
what a stupid counter-argument, go to a circus and you will see some 5' tall midget doing backflips and you could see some human with giantess illness on audience
>>280909135
yes but it wasn't shaved with force into the reader's mouth, you could interpret it as just some ex-warrior ptsd and enjoy the rest of the story

>>280909257
>time to create mestizos

>>280909294
>it is realistic and believable to jump 20' into the air and slaughter half a garrison by yourself
Holy fuck, you are retarded.

>>280909379
show me a manga where everything is realistic and believable retard, I'm talking about genuine Viking history accurate story on manga standards

>>280909497
So you're retarded AND a goalpost-moving faggot.
Try reading something other than action slop for a change.

>>280909257
>white colonist man x brown native woman
name a more iconic pairing

>>280909551
POnOs x vagOO.

>>280908930
>>280909072
I don't know what's worse: thinking that art needs to teach a moral lesson or that art needs to be historically accurate.

You're still in the 19th century.

>>280909257
>Thorfinn got his entire colony fucked over so he could get his bro his cutie brown
So that's the moral of the story

>>280907962
He got a ton of people from his island killed.
And lost a fuck ton of money

>>280909632
Can you breathe through your nose?

There is not a single manga that has a great ending. It's either dogshit or "okay".

>>280909632
dont think it nneds to teach a moral lesson but i dont think there is a problem with that

>>280909542
>Try reading something other than action slop for a change.
so history books? wow, thanks, after that I can have clear comparison what parts of the japanese drawings are actually not plausible to happen in real life

>>280909714
A manga having a moral isn't a problem. The problem is thinking it needs to.

>>280909871
i dont think there is a manga or any work that doesnt have a moral

Wait the manga is over? I havent followed since the crossbow lady! I found her very pretentious. What has happened in the plot since then? I wont read this thread i just want a reply about it.

>>280909947
Thorfinn was too naive, it got people killed. The end.

>>280909691
Bloom Into You
A Silent Voice
The Flowers of Evil
The Blue Flowers, and the Ceramic Forest
All You Need Is Kill
Goodbye, My Rose Garden
Doughnuts Under a Crescent Moon
Takopii no Genzai
Blade of the Immortal
Brother for Rent
Mononoke
Kids on the Slope
Useless Princesses
Her Tale of Shim Chong
Telework Yotabanashi
Reiri
Blue Giant
Chichi to Hige-Gorilla to Watashi
Sono Koi wa Ichigo no Youni
Kyoukotsu no Yume
Soil
Adabana
I Had That Same Dream Again
After the Rain
Usemono Yado
My Dearest Self With Malice Aforethought
House of the Sun
Emma
Little Kobe
The Horizon
Onani Master Kurosawa
Our Precious Conversations

>>280909947
>Thorfinn being a ninja-viking-pirate is okay, but the crossbow lady was too much

>>280907810 (OP)
Finally it ended. How is the end? Did he achieve his peaceful life?

>>280910064
he failed

>>280909691
Me when I am an EOP cuck:

I get way people meme on Farmland but really the Baltic Sea arc should never ever have happened.
It's just a batshit insane worse retread of things already in the manga.

what a waste of time

>>280909914
Yeah, art tends to, even if unintentionally, reflect an author's worldview, but I meant moral as in "moral lesson".

>>280910007
>A Silent Voice
>You guys beat me, humiliated me and almost led me to suicide. Anyway, let's be bffs and live happily ever after.

>>280910197
How many volumes BS arc has?

>>280910007
Tricked! Thanks for the recommendations dork

>>280909257
Sad he didn’t marry her earlier tho, she’s almost a hag

>>280910261
Crazy how it does the cycle of revenge better than Vinland Saga.

>>280907810 (OP)
It should've been a Thorfinn x Canute gay romance saga from beginning to end.

>>280910197
Farmland was better than that shit, but holy hell the drop off after Askeladd dies is terrible.

To me it feels like the author just got tired of drawing this. Very rushed and abrupt ending for this great manga.

>>280909257
I'm conflicted about the evolution of the author's art. While I admire the refinement I find it all a bit artificial. Like it's too perfect.

The expectation is that Thorfin and Canute get into it in the final arcs and their personal philosophies clash and so on. So EVEN if you want to make a point that Thorfin is in the right or at least emphasize his take on things more it would still needed to be done in a character vs character dialectic. Instead we got is a slow slide into absolutely nothing.

>>280910434
>To me it feels like the author just got tired of drawing this.
the same cope people use for CSM pt 2 and JJK

>>280910450
Did he always draw digital ? because the first chapter look like he was still using a pen.

>>280910388
Thorffin reflects the violence practiced and suffered. In A Silent Voice this is suddenly forgotten and everyone becomes friends. The end.

>>280910474
with CSM pt2 you can visibly see the manga's art deteriorate as assistants quit or joined other projects. Gege was struggling with health and to meet deadlines midway through the story of JJK and so half assed the story. Vinland Saga ended with a wet fart because the story had gone nowhere after so many years of build up.

>>280909257
They are honestly very cute together

>>280910472
Magazine finale, wait for the future changes in the vol

>>280910434
The now 404'd 2chan thread had a lot of that. That he just pulled the plug when he didn't have a way out.

>>280908440
How is the counterattack going? I bet that throwing a few more bodies would fix everything.

>>280909691
*ahem*
Mr fire punch

>>280909257
Based bug eyes. Kinda reminds me of siggy who suffered a lot.

>>280909257
Women are complaining about this pairing on social media.

>>280910535
Okie dokie

>>280910670
Good ending without the best character of the manga, Togata? Pls.

>>280910670
Worst manga I've ever read to completion.
Even Oshi no Ko and Boy's Abyss aren't as bad.

>>280910690
Btw, Ueno is a bitch.

>>280910711
Togata lived on through her film so she was there in a way.

>>280909211
It's a shame that Robo Messiah X was the most depressed motherfucker alive in existence. If he had held on for a while longer, things might have turned out alright in the future.

>>280909691
Boti finale is ultimate pleb filter

>>280909691
I dunno I really liked the ending of Golden Kamuy

>>280907810 (OP)
Fans: We want Thorfinn and Canute to meet again.
Yukimura: lol
Fans: Well, at least let us see Canute again.
Yukimura: lmao

>>280910434
He’s been working on it for 20 years, I understand why he’d be fed up, although he should have just skipped part of Baltic Sea arc

>>280910688
I actively looked for that on xitter and only found a dozen or so people complaining with a few dozen likes max, it’s overblown

Stopped sometime after he became an adult and doing farm stuff

Now I have to reread from the beginning because I don't know what's going on.

Or does anyone know when he gets out of slavery and becomes an adult and does farm stuff so I can start from there?

>>280910785
7/10 manga with a 10/10 ending

>>280910833
Thorfinn returns to Iceland in chapter 100, you could resume from there.

>>280909691
Speak for yourself

>>280910581
>with CSM pt2 you can visibly see the manga's art deteriorate as assistants quit or joined other projects.
Fujimoto didn't need to do Part 2. It exists because he wanted to. The supposed lack of assistants is also his decision. He's famous, he can hire whoever he wants. And the manga's slow pacing makes it clear that he's not tired at all.
>Gege was struggling with health and to meet deadlines
Like practically every Jump author. If you don't like the ending, just say so. Don't try to make silly excuses.

>>280910943
After that shitty final arc anything look good.

/a/ is the only place hates baltic saga

>>280910986
why is shitty?

>>280910986
It could have been worse, i.e. Darwin's Game final arc or basically everything after the ship battle.

>>280908221
it fell apart when the author ruined the best femboy ever. you never ruin a femboy.

>>280909551
Black men and White women

>>280909947
they skipped Byzantium, didnt even get a flashback montage of all the stuff that would have happened there. they just jump from the baltic sea to back home with a pile of loot they got in Byzantium

>>280909257
/our/ boi

i liked the ending, but i don't wanna risk defending something bad just because of my "biased" understanding of it cause it clashes with people who did not like and don't know how to feel about it.

>>280911003
NTA
Same issue as the Prison arc. They both went on too long.
The manga would have been exponentially better if it were half the length. There's too much fat that doesn't add anything.

no good thing can come out from a 'guy' who is poozed

>>280911102
Prison arc meaning the Jomsvikings battle arc? i thought it went longer than it should

>>280909257
He won Vinland Saga

>>280909257
their interactions were the only thing I really cared about kek. Based Thorfinn (la forma de Bug Eyes)

>>280907810 (OP)
Thorfinn never faces the true warriors.

>>280910833
You can stop after the farm. The whole series declines after that arc.

>>280910645
I can't wait until the war is over and rebuilding starts. Lots of young traumatised widows without money.

>>280909257
One silver lining. Same as Nino's humiliation.

>>280907810 (OP)
I liked the Baltic War arc. Thorfinn was already a fag, but at least we head Thorkell, and warship battles, and Sigurd, and fun fights.

>Nino out thin air
she won

>>280909257
I want a cute brown native wife as well bros...

>>280911347
Even if Farmland Saga is decent overall, there's simply no reason to read it. Only Askeladd's story has a conclusive ending; it's objectively the only point one can straight up stop reading after, and a good one too. Farmland doesn't have that, and the follow-up is, well, you know what it's like.

>>280911653
the game of losing

>>280909211
>ZX to Legends
Did they ever confirm this? I remember that the ending of ZXA was a massive cock tease.

ENTER.

OUR HERO

>>280911919
Bejita (forma de Indio)

He failed though, isn't that what you guys wanted?

>>280911955
i wanted him to marry canute

Canute would've sailed over there and made all of North America into a Danish colony

>>280911955
but the real Thorfinn won >>280909257

>>280911985
Canute is busy setting the stage for England to be ruled by Fr*nch people for the rest of the millennium

>>280911955
no, he needs to suffer more. the only person he lost was einar and even with that it was written as einar's failure to not hold to thorfins values of mc plot armour pacifism.

>>280909257
Niska looks so darn cute here

>>280910434
It seems Japs just don't value endings.

>>280912052
The French rule of England ended with Henry Tudor (Welsh) killing off the last of the Platagenets in the 15th century

>>280909097
Isn't he constantly breaking his pacifist oath to murder 8+ robots every game?

>>280908134
Civilization makes no difference we should return to monk-oh wait wrong manga.

>>280910131
>>280909803
Yeah, its okay to fail in life, things dont always work out as planned.
You can still return to your family and be happy with them.

>>280907810 (OP)
TL;DR of ending haters so far

the ending is bad cause the nordic man with unorthodox philosophy at the time and no experience with other cultures at all failed to make his FIRST attempt at peaceful co-existence with unknown natives and other external factors beyond what he could and will control in one lifetime.

the actual message? w-well, it doesn't really matter cause you see, the message has no importance if it is not obviously paneled in a cliché way where everybody is happy, Thorfinn is such a cuck am i right?

>>280912934
Dunno man, he looks happy. >>280909803

>>280911955
I wanted him to acknowledge why he was wrong and how he got as many people killed as when he was swinging the swords.

Honestly felt like the author ended it sooner than it should because he didn't want to have to write that retarded MC actually pay for his retarded philosophy because it contradicted his real life politics.

>>280907810 (OP)
>tfw your wife is getting dicked down ferociously by 5 natives but its ok because you have no enemies

>>280912980
he is content that he could spare blood to be spilled, despite Einar and the rest dying in battle.
I read it more as an stoic acceptance and internalization than actual happiness.

>>280911919
I kneel...

My god Thorfinn is such a huge cuck. Imagine giving a bag of wheat to a dirty Lnu nigger to "make up for things" (which were not even your fault to begin with) after they attacked and killed your people and were about to rape and also kill your wife and daughter when not stopped. Then imagine handshaking their leader's hand which is directly responsible for the war breaking out due to his schizo phases. Then you have that giga Chad Lnu nigger laughing in your face while raising high up in the air a sword he's just stolen from you. At least "bug-eyes" has some sense in him to breed that underage sweet Lnu chocolate with his huge vicious white cock of doom. Thorfinn tries to start his usual yapping about "MuCh CuLtUrAl DiFfErEnCeS tHaT cAn Be OvErCoMeD" but before he can begin for good "bug-eyes" just tells him right away to shut his retarded bitch ass up.

>>280909803
This makes some sense, but it was handled so poorly.

>>280909803
They know they can’t show him being a failure and actually facing consequences and being mocked since that would ruin the “message”. In reality he would have been considered a retard that got a bunch of people killed for nothing.

>>280907810 (OP)
>gay beta bitch: the manga

>>280912934
Pacifism is the way your society is overrun by violent niggers. Pacifism is the philisophy of permisiveness to violent niggers.

>>280909803
Vikings didn't go down in history for jack shit, while colonistas from Spain and Portugal years later did.
We could have had White populated South and North America, now its spic culture galore.

>>280911919
He fucking won

>>280913369
Don’t worry, they will get theirs.

Watch Gutz make peace with Griffith in Berserk. Nips have no backbone

>>280911919
HEYAHOYAHEYAHOYA

>>280913519
it was never about praising Pacifism, his ideals are challenged since farm arc

I just wanted to see Hild pregnant or with a family.

Well at least Yukimura didn't portray the natives as peaceful dindus

>>280907962
His son, Snorri, would become a leading figure in christianizing of Iceland.

I feel cucked after reading this through the end.

>>280913802
That will bite him in the ass.

did we ever see styrk without the mask? fuck that rat

Went from a 9/10 to a 6.5/10.

still bitter about einar desu

>>280913786
>how could a sword be in a grave without the skeleton bringing it along

honestly heyaheyaheyageta was based af

>>280914073
realest character in the manga

>>280910007
God the Flowers of Evil had such an amazing ending scene.

JUSTICE FOR EINAR
FUCK THIS
WHY DIDNT HE REVIVE

>>280912934
The intended message is that Thorfinn was just too ahead of his time and Thorfinn somehow paved the way for the modern world.
The actual depiction of events in the manga are something else. Here, I'll requote what someone on 2chan said
>My dissatisfaction with the Vinland arc ultimately came down to the fact that I couldn't say Thorfinn did everything he could to protect the settlement and his comrades while maintaining his commitment to non-violence. Weapons and fortifications were actually necessary, but all we got was naive, idealistic peace rhetoric. Tragedy evokes empathy because it's about losing to fate despite doing everything humanly possible - but in this case, Einar's death is a comedy.
Vinland always had to be written ostensibly as a tragedy because of our foreknowledge of the colony's failure. But Yukimura has utterly failed to deliver tragedy in the classic sense.

>>280914097
You mean onions est

>>280907810 (OP)
The conclusion to every pacifist. FAILURE

>>280913881
You should

>>280908134
That you only achieve peace through superior firepower.

>>280910943
>le reincarnation fixes everything
Yikes

>>280914217
nah he was a real one. accepted his death, stated his final thoughts and went. guy was based

>>280909803
Oh, they're going with the angle that he kept doing timber trade and stuff with the natives. I recall that visits to Vinland still happened from Greenland based on what I've read but they never established themselves again, only cutting for wood or maybe trading furs.

>>280914207
>But Yukimura has utterly failed to deliver tragedy in the classic sense.
Because he pussied out due to seeing Thorfinn as too much of a self insert for himself (hence why he regularly argued with people that complained about his pacifism) so ultimately he had him fail in the lightest and most limp wristed way possible.

>>280914073
tfw it was Christianity

>Hey, after the hunt me and the lads are gonna hang out by the cape to laugh at Thorfinn one last time. You in?
> Bet five pelts he's still going to be trying to negotiate on the way out. I'm gonna miss that little fucker.

>>280914073
>something more then becoming part of the army to help fight the end of the world
What the fuck?

you guys remember when "make peace not war" manga blew like 5 years ago and people started forcing berserk, vinland and vagabond as some "big 3" god that was so fucking cringe

Boy will be boys

>>280914743
>5 years ago
"I wish we just carried boats forever" was 15 years ago, anon.

>>280909097
lmao, I love the X games but the story is retarded. X thinking about how much he hates fighting at the end of every game when he just got done killing everything in his path always got a chuckle out of me.

>>280914417
Yeah I think the way for Yukimura to write a tragedy that he'd be more comfortable with would to have Thorfinn be less of a 1:1 mouthpiece for Yukimura and his modern sensibilities.
I'm not saying don't write Thorfinn as a pacifist of some sort. But write him as a pacifist with flaws. Not my idea of flaws but Yukimura's own ideas of flaws. That way when he gets to Vinland he sticks to his guns, does everything he can, we empathize with his whole hearted attempt, but since he's "flawed" in his conception of pacifism it leads to the colony's failure. Thorfinn can then reflect, and only then, can he conclude at the very end of the manga that he should have been more like Yukimura would want him to be. Then that can be what was passed on to his children.
Regardless of what I think of Yukimura's would be aesop, this is a better way to write it. Instead Yukimura just writes Thorfinn's kid screaming WE GOTTA KEEP TRYING as if he earned that. He didn't.

>>280912934
simpleton take
>the ending is bad cause the nordic man with unorthodox philosophy at the time and no experience with other cultures at all failed to make his FIRST attempt at peaceful co-existence with unknown natives and other external factors beyond what he could and will control in one lifetime.
it's not a problem that Thorfinn failed
everyone who read this knew Thorfinn was going to fail

the problem is the complete lack of introspection
manga tries to paint the ending as hopeful, when in reality it was bittersweet at best
what it needed was Thorfinn thinking about all the destruction his good intentions had wrought
how he didn't in the end achieve anything except some very small stuff
and wonder whether it was all worth it and what it means for his personal philosophy
literally all what was required for a good ending was making the chapter about pondering stuff while looking at sea

>>280914833
No, you see, seeds are symbolically being planted, which could result in a better future if given hard work (it doesn't, killing is always easier than agriculture, peace is achieved through making it more profitable and making killing less profitable it's got nothing to do with being holy inside, and the mikmak did OK without being pacifist at all)

No Vahlalla for you chuds

>>280915068
This is really fucking gay.

>>280915068
95% of Vikings give up right before the valkyries show up

My nigger Thors still the undisputed number 1 lets go

>>280909125
Hey, that's me.

>>280915068
>>280915074
Yeah, don't know what this was all about. I just died last week, and Brunhilde personally congratulated me on my cock size!

>>280907810 (OP)
Man, this was so fucking weird. Narratively, I meant: It felt like this arc kept being set up for Thorfinn to do something, to go "All right, that's enough" and modify his philosophy to fit the needs of the situation...But he just didn't.
He just didn't do anything.
Like all he did was get his buddies killed. He didn't even do anything about the evil Indian who now has a sword, he just went "Noooo throw it away" and the guy went "fuck you, faggot."
This really didn't have to be a losing situation, but he managed to make it into one.

>>280915127
Its rather about him facing the most pressure he could possibly face and still not crumbling

>>280909257
But how will they live? Where will they even go? If it's just the two of them, how are they going to survive?

>>280915127
Its not his place to take the indians weapon away. And if einar hadnt saved his life he would be dead too. Sooner of later hes getting murdered because of that weapon, hes just too stupid to realize it

>>280915123
Do does Yukimura not understand the role that the Einherjar play in the mythology? Became the idea of them isn’t that they’re just mindless brutes. Their job is to literally be there at the end to hold off hordes of giants while the gods are fighting the heavy hitters.

Oh no Einer killed a guy who was drawing lots in hopes of murdering him and he cant cope with it?
What a fucking joke

>>280912135
>>280913048
maybe the real Vinland Saga was the friends we got killed along the way

Vinland saga? More like FIN-land saga. Get it, cause it's the end?

>>280909211
Every time I see some ESL vomit out Zero lore mariachi music starts playing in my head.

Why the fuck would anyone follow Thorfinn's advice to throw away their sword after his ideals completely failed, is he insane

>>280915327
If Vegeta had any iq he would be aware that theres at least 1 guy who would murder him over it.

>>280912934
I feel it's more that things sort of cut off kind of abruptly. I wish they explored how Thorfinn's life was after all that, since this is basically THE big event in his life.
It's so strange, narratively, to have the protagonists basically go "Okay, we're leaving and going home" and everyone just being okay with it.
Shouldn't they do something about the sword Indian? He's going to subjugate the entire island, shouldn't they stop him?

>>280915068
>Now entering matchmaking lobby
>Please wait patiently :)

>>280915327
My guess is that when the final volume comes out we're gonna see Vegeta dead. One of his boys there is going to kill him for the sword.

I actually assumed that throfinn will eventually rebound from his cartoonish pacifism and finds some sort of middle after knowing both extremes
ridiculous, right

>>280915269
Binland :D

>>280914614
You know, the Indians probably think Thorfinn is some kind of spirit-touched i.e. Holy retard.

>>280914821
>Thorfinn's kid screaming WE GOTTA KEEP TRYING as if he earned that. He didn't.
Good god I had mentally blocked that memory despite it being so recent. Having a little kid suddenly talk like your fucking mouthpiece was one of the worst things I've read in manga, which really shows how lucky I've been now that I think about it.

>>280915495
And then the guy who puts him straight is belittled for "arguing with a child". Fuck the fuck off.

>>280909691
Not to spoil anything, but may I recommend you my daily Parasyte thread?

>>280915163
Instead everyone around him crumbled to keep his dream project alive because it's ok if everyone else bloodies their hands for your sake as long as you stay clean.

>>280915353
Vegeta is smart, that's actually what should have been one of the cornerstone turning points of the Injun war. Thorfinn wasn't up against mindless killers who wanted to fight the war, he was up against a guy who had political motivation, he killed the War chief and knew fully that he would be able to take over the Indians after. Even in the West, there's still characters that possess great will and intellect to achieve their goals. This in my opinion is actually one of the bigger flaws of Thorfinn's pacifism, it's not merely that it's not possible, but that there are a small bunch of capable humans that will consistently rise to the top and establish their will through force. Just like Canute, just like Thorkell. This is probably Yukimura's most ignored theme throughout the story.

>>280915531
Just a reminder that Thorfinn's family would be dead in the ground if a certain feminine viking had stayed a pacifist.

>>280915578
The dumb part is that the big tranny viking STILL stayed a pacifist. He just stood there and got shot a million times.
I actually thought the big twist was going to be:
>"You are a MAN, with a MAN's strength, like your blood-soaked father before you. Now claim your birthright, and do what your ancestors in Valhalla are calling for you to do: FUCK THEM UP."
But the Indians just gave up because "Hey the big retard isn't falling down, what the fuck?"

>>280915619
>notices a striped headband
>panel of the dress falling to the ground

>>280910785
ending was shit

>>280912553
i need to pick this up again

>>280915232
No, like most people he only understands the pop culture version.
The entire reason warriors specifically go to that realm when they die is to fight in a cosmic war that will happen.
That's why warriors want to go to that realm since it's important. Yet everyone thinks it's purely to glorify combat in the material world.

>>280915551
Yeah the "avoid violence no matter what" is great in theory but it just doesnt work. As someone pointed out thorfinn wouldve found his family dead in the mud if a top 5 strongest character in the series didnt happen to be there

>>280910197
I maintain that farmland was great and the manga should have ended with Thorfinn returning to iceland.

>>280915769
Isn't that the conventional opinion already? At least on /a/, not sure about reddit and other places.

>>280915710
do non-warriors go somewhere else?
because I always thought the deal is you need to fall in battle to get any afterlife at all
which would be motivation enough even if you don't give a rat's ass about war in heaven

And the lesson of the manga is...
If someone holding a burning machete laced with poison runs towards you hold your arms open and offer them a hug. Maybe theres a 0.000000001% chance hes not trying to murder you and just happens to hold a burning machete laced with poison.

>>280915769
I don't visit the threads enough to know, if it is then glad to see my tastes seem to align with /a/ for once.

>>280915787
There are a few places. There is of course Valhalla but there is also Folkvangr which is overseen by Freya and is sort of in conjunction with Valhalla. And then there is Helheim and Niflheim. Accounts on what the former is like vary but the latter is a realm of mist and smoke. Some believe it to be poisonous mist but I’m not 100% on that.

I love how Vegeta is holding that sword
>ahhhh you mad bitch?

>>280915619
So basically most of the settlers were too weak to be pacifist and needed to lift some weights

>>280913802
I was half expecting after the tranny viking

At least Thors died for his shitty ideals instead of letting other people die for them like Thorfinn

I watched this recently. It's the gayest shit ever.

>>280913823
>snorri
What an awful name

>>280916138
He was always sleeping.

>>280916181
Iceland's fucked then.

I preserved through the Baltic Sea Namek arc because I want to see Byzantine but THEY FUCKING SKIPPED IT. I dropped the manga right after that.

>>280910007
This is it? Dreadful.

>>280915327
don't worry thorfinn my boy andrew jackson will avenge you

>>280915400
Yeah this pretty much. Thorfinn is getting the last word in so later on when the dude gets stabbed in the back the the narrative can go "See? Thorfinn's warning was right all along.".

>>280916250
I could list more, but it's kind of pointless.
The whole 'manga endings are never good' isn't true.
It's more that the popular, long-running manga tend to fall off hard. Particularly, battle shounen.

>>280909691
Shigurui

>>280916206
I missed you, Hox

>>280916844
>we'll find out when the time comes

>>280916919
Damn Yukimura you're cooking.

>>280916206
Same, what a kick in the nads

>>280916825
>>280916844
accurate

>>280916919
I guess we found out

>>280916945
>>280915996
a lot of us probably assumed that the contingency plan in place was that if the natives were aggressive, he would jump into action to keep them at bay while the settlers evacuated, which would be juxtaposed with Thors at the beginning of the series. Yet what we saw instead was that Thorfinn intentionally led an expedition of settlers with no means of defending themselves into a potentially dangerous unknown land while knowing full well that if things turned south, he would not protect them. Nor did he have a real emergency escape plan for mass evacuation in the case of a sudden invasion. Thors had his ideals tested in a situation that was completely out of his control and when they failed, he was willing to die for them. On the other hand, Thorfinn deliberately manufactured a scenario to test his ideals, was unwilling to do anything to help the settlers when things went awry, got a ton of people killed, and ends up going home to live into old age with his family.

As a result, the overarching thematic narrative which could have been solid is really overshadowed by the fact that Thorfinn led over a hundred people as an irresponsible experiment and was willing to let them die as a test of his ideals.

The whole obsession with swords is stupid.
I know it's symbolism, but it's stupid symbolism.
Spears likely claimed more lives in combat than any other weapon prior to widespread use of firearms and bombs.

Based on the quality of writing in Vinland Saga I doubt the mangaka even knows that.

>>280916869
That was within a month or two of the Askeladdenning, during or just before Endless Eight, what a summer

>>280917161
spears are used for hunting
the only purspose of a sword is harming other humans

>>280909257
A true happy ending for our guy. It's pretty amazing he didn't die

>>280909257
Bug Eyes and Niska pretty much took over the entire final arc. Their relationship was cute as fuck and them getting a happy(ish) ending is worth all the other bullshit that happened.

>>280908877
oh this manga *does* have a moral lesson alright, /a/ just really don't like that particular moral lesson

>>280913823
*his wife's son

>>280917019
The point would be that for perfect peace you can't even have a plan B, the temptation would be too strong, you have to be 100% committed to peace no matter what no matter the situation or that lack of commitment itself will ruin the peace. And I think Yukimura's point is more people need to learn from violence that there shouldn't be any violence, and teach it to their kids, the point of the tranny is that you can raise kids to be nonviolent it's not true, if a thoroughbred like Thorkell has a pansy boy he was beaten that way, that we should all just come together and decide collectively to have peace and that's the only way.

And it depends on peace being completely impossible by other means but it really isn't and it doesn't work on its own terms but that's the idea.

>>280909257
So did anyone on reddit or xitter cancelled Yukimura over this yet?

Thorfinn Trudeau

>>280913786
>Roughly speaking, history is a chronicle of wars, and wars are basically when a bunch of hotheaded men get together and blow off steam
What a comically reductive view

>>280910450
i think most of that is his assistants doing. i remember reading one omake where one of them have a very moe/shojo style which may end up bleeding into the manga

>>280917313
>retarded moralizing is a "lesson"
Please read the metalesson anon

>>280917497
if the bible can widely be considered a lesson then this too can be considered one, whether you agree with the lesson or not

>>280916825
Why are you posting /co/ stuff on /a/? Why are you here? Why does this manga live rent free in your pea brain?

It should've been a non-stop revenge-driven action story that was loosely based on the historical figures' names. This shit just got gayer and gayer after our favorite Welshman died.

>>280917624
It's a pretty common meme.

>>280917257
>the only purspose of a sword is harming other humans
the only purpose of a sword is making a noblemen/officer looks cooler than their footslogging peasant rabble (the ones who actually get the shit done)

>read manga about a cool thing
>manga takes detour into some sidplot
>sideplot takes forever to resolve and the manga loses all momentum
>manga ends on that note

name 5

>>280910007
the first 3 have terrible endings so i won't be reading the rest of your post

>>280916919

>if we kill our enemies we will die

ENTRAR

>>280917257
So, even granting this, which isn't true, everything that can kill can intimidate and can save lives by keeping peace even between people who don't have weapons, but supposing they couldn't and swords were universally Assassin's Creed hidden stabbers, *even then* there is nothing inherently aggressive about tools whose only purpose is killing other humans. Because other humans will want to kill you! You can't expect every single person on Earth to be susceptible to your talk no jutsu, unless you believe every other human is some kind of defective version of yourself. If you respect people in all their variation and diversity you respect that some people are just going to want to kill you, they'll want to kill good people, and they are not going to stop unless they are killed themselves (or turned into livestock in prison).

Thorfinn believes everyone on earth is a defective Thorfinn. He believes violence is not inherent in humanity, he rejects the priest's monologue about Eden, he says swords inherently contain the magic that makes people kill people or at least intensify it, and he tests that theory on a bunch of Icelandic rubes who never knew real combat and gets them slaughtered. Null result, put it in the books, stay strapped.

>>280910007
>Emma
Fuck you man that ending was an abrupt mid garbage, it actually lowered my opinion of Kaoru Mori as an author

>>280916869
If Thorfinn was put in Zearth he really would just let all of humanity die huh

Good thing he never has to make any actually difficult moral choices in his own manga
Bokurano would break him in two

>>280918067
I remember God or a god being mentioned in that. Did they mention there being an afterlife? If so, dying to save your world is a no-brainer.

Kill Lnu. Shoot Lnu with arrows. Contaminate Lnu food with filthy Euro diseases. Runover tiny cuck Lnu canoes with longships. Behead Lnu with a dane axe. Cut open Lnu child with a seax. Chop Lnu limbs off with a sword. Blood eagle Lnu. Sacrifice Lnu to Odin. Cut down Lnu forest. Hunt Lnu wildlife. Take over Lnu land and call it Daneland. Get Lnus addicted to alcohol. Give Lnu clothes with smallpox. Breed Lnu into Half-Danes. Call Lnu "Skraelinga" (weaklings). Make filthy skraeling tribes kill each other and laugh at them. Write history books calling skraelings a failed race. Breed skraelinga into extinction. Turn skraelinga ancestral land into Dane farms.

>>280915107
Beat me to it

>>280917745
Anon, I don't use twitter, reddit, facebook, or any or any shithole like that so why would I be exposed to spongebob? Why is everyone who cries about this manga some retarded tourist? I don't even think its like a top 50 manga for me, but I cannot believe the audacity the people in this thread have to cry about it with the absolute vomit they've demonstrated that they consume.

Like literally all of this >>280910007 is complete dogshit, I can name 100 manga better than this. The only good manga here is goonin master. This type of individual should be subjected to one of those burning tire executions they do in Africa.

>>280915375
They shouldn't stop that guy from killing and subjugating others. Thorfinn has no enemies. The author is trying to tell us that stopping tyrants from committing atrocities is wrong, and if they come after you once they've finished going after everyone else, you just have to abandon everything you care about and run away, leaving your home to burn and your loved ones to be used and abused, because it's more moral to let your wife get raped by marauding raiders than to throw a single punch

>>280917257
>spears are used for hunting
Literally the most retarded shit I've read today. Fucking disgusting faggot you are. Vikings mostly used spears other than axes. The Greeks waged wars using the spear. The Chinese called the spear the king of weapons. They made whole ass systems of martial arts from the use of the spear.

Hot take: You only hate the ending because we've been following the story almost entirely from the vikings pov (where violence equals success) and want them to keep doing the things they do and see their settler colony succeed. If the story were to be told from the anglos or injuns perspective (where violence does NOT equal success, in fact it leads to more and more disasters) I bet anons wouldn't be as hawkish

>>280918333
>hot take
shut up fag

>>280918350
Anon, this is /a/. We're all fags here.

>>280909257
This dude was the real first Conquistador

>>280918287
Esh man we share the same website calm down

>>280907810 (OP)
Underwhelming ending, could have easily been saved with like 3 pages of vignette shots of all the characters Yukimura forgot to give closure to then followed up with the last page being Thorfinn holding up his newborn son and his eyes looking exactly like Thors'

>>280918426
Nah get the hell out of here

>>280917703
What's the image from?

>>280918164
Not quite a God per se, but the entire conflict in Bokurano is orchestrated by higher dimensional beings pruning timelines
Dying to save your world isn't the issue, each mech in Bokurano are piloted by inhabitants of alternate Earths, each fight alternating between Home/Away games. Mechs that lose end with their entire universe being pruned away, victors live to fight another day. Failure for either party to kill their opponent by a time limit ends with both universes getting pruned.

In the end of Bokurano, The enemy pilot pulls a Thorfinn and runs away to avoid losing, hiding among the citizens of his earth, and the main character has to pinpoint snipe each person on earth, killing innocents one after another in the desperate hope of finding the enemy combatant before the time limit ends and everyone on both earths die

>>280918488
https://ravenscans.com/manga/the-exiled-reincarnated-heavy-knight-is-unrivaled-in-game-knowledge/

>>280918333
Anon did you read Baltic Sea War? I know we all hate it but did you read it? The entire point of it was that violence doesn't equal success for Vikings, it leads to feud cycles that repeat history, I bet the arc repeating the manga to that point was on purpose to show violence as pointless. The point was made.

For how good Vinland was for the majority of its run that ending was pretty dogshit.
I expect better from Yukimura, especially since Planetes' ending is one of the best of all time.

>>280918751
>majority of its run
good one

Thorfinn and his family deserve to be annihilated in blood feuds for letting the other settlers die for his retarded ideology and false promises in some foreign land.
>Imagine having to find a way to pay all that weregild for the dead settlers by working for grand uncle Thorkell, or as a Varangian guard thus killing more people
>Works most of his life killing people to pay for all the dead settlers in Vinland
>His sons must do the same mercenary work to pay for the dead settlers in Markland
>Father and sons all murderers
>Gudrid probably wishes she married Sigurd instead of Thorfagg
Pottery

>>280917983
Moorish phenotype

>>280908134
that this series went to shit a long time ago.

isekai spin-off made by a different mangaka when?

I dropped it when they skipped byzantine. What did I miss?

>>280919208
gay injun x nord orgy

>Shows the necessity and evils of war.
>Main Character endures multiple trials throughout the manga for her beliefs but perseveres and remains good.
>Satisfying but brutal ending.
>At the end of every volume, the author elaborates info regarding historical events and characters in the manga and points out which is fiction or fact.

Koichi Onishi is underrated as historical mangaka.

>>280919247
Bohemian historical fiction? Sign me up. Have you read Wolfsmund?

>>280919247
The man has a genuine passion for history.

Here's his latest work, Cinderrela's Rebellion, set in 6th Century France.

>The Frankish kingdom in the 6th century.

>At the Convent of the Holy Cross in Poitiers, Basina, a nun of Neustrian royal blood, is tormented and abused by her two stepsisters. The two sisters were under the authority of the great villainess Fredegund, who ruled Neustria, and no one was able to resist her.

>Then one day, Clotilda, princess of the kingdom of Paris, appeared as a new nun. The encounter between Basina and Clotilda leads to a great uprising by the nuns that shakes the whole kingdom.

>>280919247
>>280919414
Oh shit, I didn't realize he already finished Otome Sensou and started a new series. I've been holding off on starting it because I wanted to wait for its completion first. I've been wanting to read another history manga lately but the most recent one I tried, Orb, just didn't sit right with me. Even setting aside the inaccurate narrowminded Catholic zealot stereotype, too many characters talk and think in a way that feels "modern." It just doesn't quite feel authentically historical to me. I hope Otome Sensou is different.

Is this shit worth reading? I only ever watched the show, which i liked

>>280919616
Fuck no, pretend season 2 was the ending.

I bailed out when he skipped Greece

>>280919662
Thanks, will do

What was the reaction to Askeladd's death like when that chapter first dropped?

>>280910474
Nigga, CSM2 should've never existed.Sorry, but that shit is a cheap soap opera just to keep the thing running.

>>280909097
The sword is a weapon. The art of swordsmanship is the art of killing. That is the truth. To say otherwise is someone only those who haven't been through war can believe. But to be honest I prefer that over the truth.

>>280919702
It caught everyone by surprise and /a/ went wild. But by /a/, we're really talking about people who read seinen manga, and even /a/ as a board was much smaller. Back then, a new Vinland Saga chapter would be lucky to get more than a single thread with more than 200 posts I think? Askeladd's death and the sudden transition to part 2 did lead to more active threads than usual though.

>>280915074
4chan is no place for kids, bro

>>280919702
If only anon knew.
Also this is the translation thread:
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/20759066/#20761165
From happier days.

>>280910434
>>280910474
For me Vinland Saga felt more like Houseki no Kuni in the sense that the stories started with one premise and one philosophy just to end with another completely different one and in a completely different situation. Almos like an opposite one.

>>280919846
Damn. 4chud in fuckin 2009

I haven't been hyped for Vinland in many years, I'm glad it's finally finished. Put a stray dog out of its misery.

>>280912174
They truly don't. And Japs don't really understand the "Hero's Journey" as we know.

>>280909097
>When a furry manga understands it more than a "mature" seinen.

>>280919846
It really wasn't.

She's right. If only Thorfinn showed his competence to Ivar and other even once, maybe by wrestling and fighting him. Oh well.

>>280909097
>Converted an entire neighborhood of bloodthirsty yakuza maids into actual maid cafes.
She won hard and did everything Thorfinn failed to do.

>>280919995
God fucking damn, now that was a story with a good ending. AOTY.

>>280919995
In typical pacifist fashion, she's only alive because someone else killed on her behalf.

>>280915044
>>280915068
The nordic afterlife sucked hard, anyway. And Valhalla was only one of the "heavens" they had because they were a shitload of those depending on how you died and what were your job in life.
And there is a reason Christianity won over those lands, because if you were not part of the warrior caste you were doomed to be treated like shit even after death, so lots of the peasants went full "fuck this shit religion, I am out" and then converted to Christianity.

>>280919992
>If only Thorfinn showed his competence to Ivar and other even once, maybe by wrestling and fighting him
Man wsj really gave kids brain damage huh

>>280907810 (OP)
Wow…. This was fucking insane, they just laugh at him after everything that happened, I don’t necessarily care that he failed but… Jesus i dunno, everyone that died, there had to have been a better way of concluding this

>>280909097
The GOAT has not been surpassed since then.

Meanwhile, on the based island

Am i the only that see a resemblance to fucking dune in the other political spectrum?

>Herbert wrote dune with the idea to never trust charismatic leaders
>Leaders with extremist ideals will lead their people to die

The execution here was outright underwhelming because Yukimura still want to put thorfinn ideals as the good guys, which should have been the contrary

>>280914809
He hates it but he knows what must be done. It's a better alternative to the stereotypical pacifist who chastises even those defending themselves or punishing evil.

>>280920051
>In typical pacifist fashion, she's only alive because someone else killed on her behalf.
Even if she died or the salty hag who shot her lived, nothing would've changed since her act of defiance already won the majority over. Pacifism works because it's a sacrificial act that inspires others to kill for peace. Thorfinn commits to pacifism and pressures others to follow it solely to soothe his own guilt, which is why his story falls flat.

>>280908134
That Thorkell was right all along

Honestly, Yukimura's concept of pacifism is utterly idealistic, that shit would be basically unthinkable in former times. Well, the closest thing to what Yuki was showing us were the Moriori people of New Zealand, and they didn't really have a happy ending.

Who were smellier, the nords or the injuns?

>>280920279
Thorfinn is not remotely the same character as Paul. Paul was worshipped to the point where even he couldn't stop his guys from committing galaxy wide genocide. Thorfinn isn't even that charismatic, most of his crew are just people looking for good soil, only a handful believe in his ideals.

>>280920394
>thorfinn isnt even that charismatic
Thats what you say but the guys who workship his ideals are binded in faith for his dream, theres always 1 or 2 persons who have doubts about his decisions but the rest are ok ok

>>280917019
Part of me wishes that Thorkell hears about this and goes there, beheads the chief and Vegeta, brings their heads to Greenland, pats Thorfinn on the head, and then leaves.

>>280920390
>Honestly, Yukimura's concept of pacifism is utterly idealistic
Do you mean idiotic? Because even now it sounds retarded.

>>280920390
>Moriori

More people really need to hear about them. I can't think of another pacifist culture, excluding specific religious communities, that was as well documented as them especially in their decline.

>>280920497
I can literally count on one hand the amount of characters who have absolute faith in his ideals. That's not the type of leader Frank Herbert was talking about.

>>280920608
How many of them are dead?

Thorfinn better hope this guy is dead

>>280909257
i cant believe marry the brown loli was the true message. i wish i had the brownloliarethebest meme saved so i could post it.

>>280920598
Still makes me laugh how the Maori dare to ask reparations to the New Zealand government when they actually did way worse things to the rest of the natives of the islands.

>>280920608
Lets called that little circle as "the thorfinn cult" ride or die to the end. Did they properly die to make a point ?

>>280920617
Barely any, but we can chalk that up to plot armor, historic or otherwise.
The point is, if you point to Thorfinn as an example to Frank Herbert, he'd laugh in your face. Canute's a way closer parallel.

>>280920279
>Herbert wrote dune with the idea to never trust charismatic leaders
I don't think that's the core identity of Dune. Dune's fundamentally about religion/myth/legend.
How stories are powerful enough even before people are dead they're essentially subject to their own legend.
Which are why Dune's sequels are about Paul's quest to die as a man and not a prophet.

So what's the moral here
You can fuck up as long as you want with no real repecutions, then return to your family?
Seriously it's crazy how much thorfinn fucks up in these later arcs yet faces no punishment.

>>280920890
The worst part is seeing the villagers defending thorfinn and laughing about it even after all this.
Like retards people died because of him, yet you still defend him?
Really supporting that "thorfinn is a cult leader" theory.

>>280920890
if only everyone mastered viking kungfu there would be world peace

>>280920890
There is no moral, japs can't into that.

>>280920390
I mean, let's just consider something.
If the Nords came in armed to the teeth, and went "If you fuck with us, there WILL be consequences", what would have happened?

>>280921283
they literally tried that in the first expedition and it didn't work

>>280920890
Do you think all stories have a lesson?

>>280921283
Scorched earth and a lot of poisoned wells. Eventual genocide. If you're okay with that, fine, but don't act like arms are the way to peace.

>>280907810 (OP)
Man, what was the entire point ;of spending 20 fucking years writing this? If anything, that's the saddest part of this manga. Hell, I can't believe I learned of this manga when I was in high school and now I celebrated by 35th birthday back on Monday.

>>280921391
Stories worth reading do, even if it's an old one that everyone already knows.

>>280917368
Some people are upset about the pairing. Mainly women.

>>280921391
Well you would think a more serious story like this would.

>>280919846
They hated him because he told them the truth

>>280921500
Yukimura got to financially support his family on VS income but it sure didn't do much good for the sanity of others when talking about the whole

>>280920279
Thorfinn and Paul are on two different levels
Paul's charisma and message was so beyond his control that he understood too late that he could do nothing to stop it, even to the extent that at one point him killing everyone around him and himself would still not prevent a jihad from erupting
That was the depressing part of his character, him knowing he was as much of a slave to his fate as his followers were
I do agree though that I can see that Yukimura was aiming for this type of same message, but didn't execute it in nearly well enough way to sell it

>>280921599
Farmland was excellent, it should have ended there

>>280921621
Vinland Saga anime did poorly in Japan. Its main audience were Westerners. There was barely any Vinland Saga merchandise in Japan

>>280920682
God I hate the Maori they're a blight on this country, always making people put their shitty language no one speaks everywhere. The way the government bends over backwards to suck their dicks is disgusting.

>>280909691
>A++ "He said the thing!" moment
>Last arc was big action scenes
>Every side character gets their big moment and sendoff
>Ties lose ends
>MC and FMC go home together
>Cheeky joke at the end that can lead to a possible sequel or epilogue
Shame you don't read better shit

>>280909691
Read better manga

>>280921672
so? obviously he was still paying rent and buying food over those years

>>280921707
The faces are alway fucking top notch.

>>280917484
Yeah. War is almost always about resources. Land, minerals, food, water, women. Gathering resources in order to survive, thrive, and multiply is what lifeforms do. It is what they are meant to do.

>>280909097

see >>280919794
That's why they keep making remakes of it and the story keeps getting adapted to different stuff.
SamuraiX and Kenshin was actually good fights, a solid clash of ideals, and a substantive resolution.

Reality is what you make it.
>"might makes right" is true like shishio said
>"the strong should protect the weak" is true like kenshin said
Regardless of which wins both will be proven right.
Reality is what the strong make it just like how history is decided by the winners of war.
Kenshin won. He chose peace.
Losers can't be choosers.


>>280920134
More of a swindler but probably still better at achieving peace than op's example or fucking Eren's dumb plan.

>>280921707
Golden Kamui is as bad as Vinland Saga in the direct opposite way. An amalgamation of nip revanchism, /r/asianmasculinty and romanticization of its colonial expansion, basically a Japanese version of John Wayne movies: the manga. Only Fujo pandering is upholding its relevancy.

>>280907810 (OP)
>SANKYU

>>280922068
In the end, we truly were Somewhere Not Here

>>280918287
>avatarfag cries about people not respecting the culture of the board
pottery

>>280922060
>revanchism
Oh no not the poor colonized!

Did you rike it?

>>280919794
I think Kenshin is a far better representation of what Yukimura was trying to go for. He's not afraid of using violence to defend those who he loves, in fact, most of the show is him doing exactly that. It's also a far better retrospective of someone trying to move on from their past, and constantly facing the consequences of it, such as Saito who plays a very good foil to Kenshin, where Saito deliberately understands that law and order is necessary to establish peace, and likewise realizes the only way to maintain the established peace is through a monopoly on violence.

Thorfinn on the other hand never reconciles this violence or the powers that be. It's actually kind of funny if you re-read Vinland Saga, you see him pick up on some many core philosophical tenants from different people, whether it's his dad, Askeladd, Leif, Snake, and others. Even Thorkell has a direct confrontation to make Thorfinn realize his ideals are retarded, and still does nothing about them. Which is very strange especially considering the Baltic Sea Arc, where it is principally established that Thorfinn cannot logically outscale this monopoly, and especially strange considering that his free market trading was successful, but even then only held together through Law and Order and the threat of violence. A bit convenient to miss these established tenants and not act upon them. Obviously this also makes it more frustrating because this is exactly what makes Canute, Snake, Thorkell, Askeladd, and other characters far more interesting than Thorfinn.

This shit is just Trigun but worse.

>>280922251
This.

>>280909257
Adorable canon couple. Also based for stealing their "wedding present" from Cuckfinn right in front of him

>>280919346
Yes, Wolfram is an excellent villain to hate and author is an excellent fusion of Kentaro Miura and Kaoru Mori's influences.

>>280916533
But that doesn't actually prove Thorfinn right, people will murder each other over any sufficiently valuable object. If not a sword then a jeweled goblet or a wallet stuffed with $20 bills. In fact the main danger in that sword is that it is the only sword and thus valuable due to scarcity. Having even more swords around would legitimately make him SAFER as now no one would have need to squabble over the one available sword.

>>280917349
>you have to be 100% committed to peace no matter what no matter the situation or that lack of commitment itself will ruin the peace
this, a lot of anons are missing that point
Thorfinn wanted to commit all of his resources towards a non-conflict solution
he wanted to force himself to come up with other means of problem solving
kind of like a reverse Cortes, who burned his ships to force his men to fight and not even think about running

and it's not even a problem that it's a bad idea
Thorfinn isn't some genius
his education consisted of stabbing men in forests
he's illiterate for fuck's sake
there's no reason to assume his plans are perfect
it's okay for him to be kinda naive

the problem is he DIDN'T go full in on peace
he was a passive leader
he allowed his village to go the traditional route
he himself was all-in on diplomacy, but he let others do as they please
when faced with opposition, he kept giving up super easily, both Hilde and Einar called him out on that
in the end, his mindset didn't evolve beyond "if there's trouble, gtfo"
and the manga has the gall to pretend like all that was maturity

and even THAT would be okay, if only manga admitted it all led to a failure
Thorfinn had made an honest attempt, after all
but he didn't succeed at his main goal and it needed to be clearly stated
it's like when people die of cancer
don't call that a victory because the patient "fought hard"
it's dishonest and diminishes actual victories

>>280916844
>Throfinn was actually a based spear/bow and arrows meta spammer.

>>280915269
A manga about going to Holmgard with some Swedes and Finns would be fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24bYlWqR4_o

>>280915167
Yeah it's like, even assuming she doesn't catch one of the hundred other diseases bug eyes is probably carrying, they're two people on a glorified canoe in the North Atlantic. What the fuck are they gonna eat? They can't farm, any Indian tribe they approach for help is just as likely to kill them as take them in (and will be wiped out when they catch all the nasty germs bug eyes is carrying regardless). I honestly don't know why they think they can't go back to norse lands. A young viking man bringing back a hot piece of ass he picked up on his travels as his ahem "booty" is exceedingly normal for the time period. It's not like modern forms of racism exist yet that would make whatever village they settle in treat her any worse than as a mild curiosity.

>>280921391
>Do you think all stories have a lesson?
no
but this manga is trying to have one
the problem is what it's telling you and what it's showing you are two different things

people are dissatisfied because of all the mental gymnastics we see trying to justify the ending as good writing
like what you're doing

>>280909691
Now, you are just wrong.

>>280910261
>glasses bitch didn't get her comeuppance
I remember reading it together with /a/ expecting her to get fucked every chapter.

I dropped it around the transwoman and baby
worth continuing?

So while the author is on a well deserved break, did he hint on what he is working on next?

>>280923008
Hopefully nothing historical.

>>280922992
No

>>280921707
When Golden Kamuy stops having food spreads, that's when the manga gets bad.

>>280919346
>>280922347
Wolfsmund is too miserable with no real catharsis

Wolfram is too over-the-top hateable that his death feels empty even in-universe, that the people weep or are sullenly silent instead of whooping in triumph

>>280915327
I love how the others look at him like "god, what a chad!"

>>280923172
Also he died too quickly and not that gorily compared to his victims

Feels like the female author was schlicking to him

>>280915400
The good thing for Vegeta is that his people don't understand the concept of lying. He could simply ask them one by one if they're going to betray him.
>"Are you going to betray me?"
>"Yes"
>*stabs him*
>*repeats*

>>280921707
Golden Kamuy's ending is a 10/10 masterpiece compared to this shitshow

>>280923248
Despite all the unfunny gay shit, is it still worth reading?

>>280909257
Old women get triggered by this

>>280923269
yeah, it gets good around the bestiality arc

>>280909257
>what is wife
>wife is wife
>I want to be your wife
It's that simple.

>>280909691
Shin Mazinger Zero has Kouji summon the spirit of /m/ itself to reset reality itself and restore the multiverse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grK1I_6k_b8

>>280918561
>killing innocents one after another in the desperate hope of finding the enemy combatant before the time limit ends and everyone on both earths die
To be fair, they were still going to die if he won, so... it doesn't really matter.

>>280914614
Killing each other all the way down to the same culture and language was literally a native American past time. If it wasn't for conquest it was for resources. The fact was it's in their culture to literally go to war like the NFL Sunday before winter. The European colonies and their founding governments broke that cycle by not playing that game. This wasn't some Ubisoft Presents bullshit with natives being pragmatic and understanding like future victims, as they will kill anyone and take anything a value living or not like it's a career job. The Spanish were correct by eliminating the problems that didn't join.

>>280915551
Thorfinn does touch on that when he says "I don't know how to deal with people like [Vegeta]." Thorfinn's pacifism crumbles when it faces a psychopath because the core idea it relies on, empathy, is completely incomprehensible to them.

>>280920095
The worst part is that Freya had a first pick on the best warriors, and if she picked you there would be no feasting for you, only an eternal battle to death until Ragnarok.

>>280910007
Dungeon Meshi ending was distilled kino.

>>280910007
Most of this list is moe shit.

>>280924244
So "moe shit" has superior writing?
Good to know

>>280921283
Maybe they win, maybe they lose
but historically things didn't go that way, clearly.
The real Thorfinn might've been less of a pacifist and more trying to do something impossible, but the sagas say they sailed away after skirmishes just like the manga depicts.

>>280924256
Moe shit is the safest genre. Make a list with seinen or shounen mangas then we talk.

Yeah, Kingdom clears this shit so easily, kek.

>>280924244
>moving the goalpost

>>280920037
>Good ending.
The hag maid dying put it into the lowest tiers of shit endings out there.

So we can all agree that if you want to collect the physical this is where you stop right?

>>280924424
If my boy Tou won't marry the princess, I will riot!

>>280916206
>>280916639
>>280916957
add me to the count, shit got dreadful there

>>280924525
Honestly yeah.
Just burn the books past farm arc.
There's literally nothing of value in them.

>>280910688
oh no?

>>280924219
>dung meshit
>>>/co/

>>280910943
it this bait? the ending was so bad that author made a new chapter like mha
also it had shitty reincartion and forced pairing

>>280920251
CHADnute won

>>280924525
I'll stop at the end of Farmland.

>>280910007
This is almost all terrible from start to finish. I feel /a/ has moved away from discussion and towards people who would be ignored on other sites for good reason spamming their stupid opinions over and over.

That's it? That's the last chapter?

>>280924937
>the meshi hater pajeet is here
ah, no wonder the thread feels so brown. at last i truly see

Asterix and Obelix would say that Thorfinn is a faggot.

>>280922230
>LE BOYS WILL BE BOYS
what a cuck lmao

>>280907810 (OP)
I just realized that he skipped over the fact that Indians had slaves too.

I lost interest about half way through. Was fun at the beginning.

>>280907810 (OP)
S
I left when Hox did. An absolute shitshow post-farmlad (which I liked), between the tranny, the useless women and skipping the fucking byzantine arc... man.
Author could have made one of the absolute manga ever drawn, and instead went for whatever this shit is.
S again.

>>280908971
Based

>>280915068
I thought this author couldn't get any worse, but I keep seeing pages that put him on the same level as the Rent-a-Girlfriend cuck author.

Incredible.

>>280919846
>2009
>the way these dudes talk
Fuck..we must go back

>>280907810 (OP)

Such a nothing ending. Thorfinn couldn´t really reconcile with his past, couldn´t escape war, failed Canute after all those speeches and promises, incurred into considerable debt with Halfdan, lost his brother and even introduced new tools of warfare to another civilization.

And yet, it was not an absolute failure since he kept his life and could always just try again...

>>280925892
I forgot how hard Senya mogs pacifism.

>>280927605
At least his other bro got some indian pussy.

>>280925892
>>280927640
Senya is a pacifist, just not a retard.

>>280922060
>basically a Japanese version of John Wayne movies: the manga
That's why it rocked, the only problem was how gay it got

>>280922376
>Evil Thorfinn brings the Lnu tons of swords so they don't have any magic anymore

>>280916206
While I did read on past that point, my investment in the story ended there
Them going to Byzantine could've been an entire manga in itself, outside of the rest of this shit story. So much there and how the northmen are treated/viewed in that area during history is interesting as fuck.
The fact the author skipped it so he could huff his own farts with his "muh pacifism, muh poor natives" story in the new world pisses me off to no end.

>>280928201
He's not a pacifist, he's a boddhisatva, through peace or war or whatever action necessary he will bring personal salvation to each individual

>>280922060
Except GK never tried to act like above its pay grade like Vinland Saga did. It was a wild west-style frontier heist story, and it did it extremely well. It had parts that examined post-war Japan and the romanticized idea of it becoming westernized more, but it never got too far up its own ass or let it detract from it being fun
Vinland Saga, on the other hand, started off as a fun Viking tale of carrying longships and punching horses, that then morphed into a long winded lecture about how great pacifism is, religion is for suckers (unless you're a native, then it's actually correct), and talking down to the reader if they argued at all against either point.
tldr: GK was entertainment, VS was that annoying friend that lectured you about privilege

>>280915068
ACK

>>280919846
>>280921599
They knew, 15 years ago..epic win

>Vinland Saga is 20 years old
Is that true? That would mean the manga is as old as 4chan and I don't remember it being discussed in those years.

Askeladd won

We going to get an epilogue right? ....right?

>>280907810 (OP)
Manga Thorfinn's most significant achievement was dragging Darth Canute back from the Dark Side, turning him from a ruthless tyrant to a more benevolent, caring ruler. Everything else Thorfinn did is pretty minuscule compared to that.

>>280909257
my boy won.

It's really fucking GRIM there are this many fucking idiots who would support Thorfinn and his retarded ways, am I on reddit? Call me a violent ape if you like

The fuck? That's really it? No parallel potline with Canute doing anything to make his existence worthwhile? No actual introspection on how fucking retarded Thorfin's whole fucking thing was?

>>280930330
I. Have. No. Enemies.

>>280930506
>No parallel potline with Canute doing anything to make his existence worthwhile?
The author has no reason to do that because it would show that Canute was right and Thorfinn wrong.

>>280914809
Because even X knows being a 100% pacifist is retarded. He asks for peace first then kills when necessary, hence why in later games he's seen as being a "baby" in every maverick scene.

>>280930257
Of course, just wait for the volume

>>280910789
>>280921707
Golden Kamuy was kino beginning to end

>>280910943
Demon Slayer is the definition of style over substance, it's plot was always mid as hell.

>>280928996
>the only problem was how gay it got
It being extremely homoerotic is what gave it that special sauce

>>280914614
He should have got a couple panels at the end of him fighting off betrayal or something.

>>280909691
>There is not a single manga that has a great ending

The fuck was that? Like there was obviously never going to be some kind of Griffith/Guts confrontation with Canute, but why the fuck was Canute even in the story if the author didn't use him?

Why is everyone retarded?
Thorfinn was right.
The only thing that stopped him was the only thing that could stop him, an unknown illness that he couldn't do much about.
If others followed his ideals and methods closer then it wouldn't have turned out this way.
Plmk embraced some Nord ways of doing things. Bugeye's is becoming a creating his own bridge between Indians and Nords.
Snorri will go on to promote peace.
I have no enemies.

>>280930506
The last parallel with Canute was the plague, where Canute isolated and killed the sick and Thorfinn did nothing.

>>280931322
>>280909097
>>280919794
Based and true

>>280920134
This is reaching very hard

>>280930330
You have 1-2 anons here that are the exact same and defended Thorfinn each chapter.
You can even still them seething in this thread and they even totally misunderstand why people are angry, which is ironic considering that they are unable to follow Thorfinn's ways while vehemently defending his retarded decisions.

Glad I dropped it after the canute meeting

So Canute is right and Thorfinn was wrong. Got it.

>>280908134
Wasted potential. Story and character.

>>280931246
wasted potential.

It's weird how the message is supossed to be to not see anyone as an enemy, yet the only reason the colony failed is because the injuns intentionally decided to be enemies to the nords.
Very confusing manga.

>>280931307
Thorfinn is a do nothing idealist who the author is clearly wanking because he has no idea how to write him. Like even a fucking single training session in defensive retreat and a focus on not counterattacking would have had a massive effect on the plot, but no instead have him spout idealistic nonsense that doesn't factor for reality at all.

>>280909691
FMA is kino

>>280907810 (OP)
>getting filtered this hard

>>280934305
FMA is overrated because cool artstyle but the story is just plain autism

>>280933141
of course

>>280907810 (OP)
How much would one have to pay the author to write an alt timeline BL love story between Thorfinn and Canute?

When is the rest of the manga getting adapted?

>>280934753
>pay
He would probably do it for free if you stroke his ego enough with bullshit platitude about pacifism.

>>280917621
it's not about the fact whether it tells a lesson or not, the show is trying to get the moral of pacifism across, but it's a bad teacher because the entire thing just ended with the paragon of pacifism giving up trying to bring others into his way of life to go sulk in iceland or greenland for the rest of his life.

>>280930766
...is Garou a pacifist?

>>280925198
Could you list the ones you had issues with and give actual reasoning?

>>280918452
No people with autism and anger issues should not have spaces to themselves ever. They are lesser people

>>280934698
FMA's plot isn't terribly autistic as far as shounens go.
>A pair of wizard brothers fucked themselves up trying to resurrect their dead mom
>They sign up to be army wizards for Not!Germany so they can get access to state resources in their quest to unfuck themselves
>Turns out Not!Germany is a puppet state for a demon who's conducting an elaborate ritual to sacrifice the inhabitants to become God
>The brothers and their allies gradually untangle the demon's scheme and work to thwart it
A single given arc of HxH has more autism than the entirety of FMA.

>>280918287
I'm genuinely curious why you would say OnK is better than Aku no Hana, like its such a wild opinion to me. Did you just connect to it better? Is it autism

>>280934698
What "autism"? It's literally structured like a classic western fantasy coming of age novel.

>>280907810 (OP)
is he trying to suck his own dick?

>>280935350
It has no real emotion behind it, "sad scenes" aren't sad and "funny scenes" aren't funny, this is mainly what I call plain autism.

>>280935389
You're the autistic one because it has all of those.

>>280935368
No he's trying to be sad in a cliff or something

>>280924973
They didn't, you can cope in your hate all you want but the editors literally said they cut the pages to allow more new manga to be introduced (U19 victims btw).

You might ask why cut your cash cow for unknown new stuff, I'd say educate yourself and look up how HSDK got cancer along with 49 other manga when some editors got the retarded idea 50 new manga for 50 year anniversary. The publication has never recovered

>>280935389
Anon, you might be the one with autism. Like, whether it personally struck you or not, you have to know that stuff like Hughes' death or Nina getting dogged struck a lot of people.

>>280931002
>with hats on

>>280907810 (OP)
Good riddance.

>>280907810 (OP)
Vinland has the highest highs i seen and the lowest lows i seen
Truly a paradoxical manga

>>280935546
>>280935457
I have cried my eyes out and laughed my ass off at other manga.
Maybe FMA's Harakawa is so autistic that she tricks other autists with cheap devices into seeing more emotions than there really is.
Nina got dogged, OK, she was introduced 2 pages ago, she's just a random kid. But the scene is set in a o so tragic way and we're supposed to feel bad.
Hugh is dead. So what? He was just a "comedic" secondary character and his death progressed the plot.
But we're shown a character or two crying so we know it's sad.
It's shallow, empty.

>>280909257
>They died offscreen to a random bear

When did they start drawing the super moe eyes into characters? I'd say that's when Vinland started going downhill.