Just finished Episode 6 and I'm completely confused. Takopi used his power to go back in time and fix everything?

I was expecting brutal boss fight between shizuka and takopi and takopi wins and makes Marina happy. why did takopi break his promise to marina-chan?

because takopi's a dumb mudafaka. his whole race is dumb(the mom octopus was like HOW CAN YOU SLAP). for a race whose purpose is to make others happy, i'm surprised they're very immature. or maybe the other aliens are just very simple beings like takopi. anyway sacrificing his life for them feels like a bad ending, i was expecting a better solution with takopi leaving them as a more experienced happian ready to make more people happy.

>>281154288 (OP)
I didn't watch this but I'm just thinking isn't it really sad for takopis mom he just dies and she never knows what happened to him

I didn’t watch this but would everything be better if someone gave Takapi a copy of Doraemon?

>>281154288 (OP)
Wtf was that ending
>they're friends because...an octopus scribble
>azuma's "good ending" just completely ignoring shizuka instead of, idk, telling the teacher about the bullying and trying to be genuine friends without the pussywhipped savior complex
>I guess they're just chill with each other now?

What? Also what's with Japan having bullies randomly skip to being friends with the people they bullied? You can make peace with people who've wronged you, and you can apologize to people you've wronged, but that doesn't mean that they should be friends or want to have anything to do with eachother.

>>281154288 (OP)
Bro, learn to use the catalog.

>>281154288 (OP)
necrobump for you op

What a fucking waste of time this show was. Interesting premise but it falls flat on it's face halfway through and by the finale we're 6 feet under. I guess that's what i deserve for falling into hype.

>>281154604
He was exiled from ever going back to his home planet so a heroic suicide probably was the best option.

>>281154604
Takopi feels like a criticism of something. I want to say "toxic positivity" but that's not it, because Takopi isn't just positive despite the suffering of others, Takopi is literally ignorant of the suffering of others. Takopi does not understand them and just acts on its own prejudices. Feels like the whole thing is more of a critique of organizations that look out for other people without actually knowing the people they're looking out for. The kind of people who say "let's try doing this thing" or "we stand with this group of people" and the group of people they're talking about or trying to help never asked in the first place or just stare at them dumbfounded because they act like they know everything but only know what THEY want to know. Something like that. Takopi eventually figures out that the best thing for it to do is to not be directly involved but instead rewind time and serve more as an "impression"; a concept or an idea, that can inspire or remind people.

sequel will be the takopians declaring war on earth

>>281154872
>Wtf was that ending
Takopi impacted both Shizuka and Marina's lives by being a source of relief from their pain, even if his ideas were naive. It was the one thing that brought them happiness even briefly. Takopi made sure that Marina and Shizuka remembered the feelings on a subconscious level and that mystery brought them together. A bizarre coincidence that neither understood.

Advanced technology made the aliens retarded or something...

Hahahahaha that was it?

>>281154288 (OP)
Takopi became the dog

>>281156335
Probably an exaggerated parody on how scientists have often believed that any sufficiently advanced alien species capable of traveling the universe would have had to first solved all social issues and achieved universal peace or something.

>>281154288 (OP)
No he didn't he used his powers to just go back in time and fix nothing. But the girls remembered their interactions with him just avguely enough to sort out their differences.

>>281155794
totally avoidable if everyone in the series was less retarded
>>281156304
i wouldn't really think of them as criticisms to orgs, because there's always an agenda when a nonsensical org is made. i like to think takopi's race is just that simple minded, hakuna matata stuff. and it's probably the first time they encountered socials complication from earth. because if i remembered correctly the other aliens are very easy to please too like the cat planet.

>>281156304
It's saying, stop acting like you understand everything. Be more humble. Be kind instead.

Also, I think it's loosely related to Japanese culture of listening to your elders which I think has lead to a pretty good society. It's because elders likely understand the complications of their field better than the naive younglings who tend to shoot from the hip thinking the solution is obvious when in reality they don't understand anything. Like with everything else, I would guess this culture is dying in modernizing Japan so the author wanted to give a reminder.

>critique of organizations
I didn't think of this, but since there was that kind of out of place tangent about 10th covid shot and psych meds that cause nightmares, you may be on to something. However the parallel doesn't work because in case with Takopi, he was genuinely good, just stupid, whereas the medical field simply aims to leech as much profits from the population with unhelpful/harmful medical solutions. But maybe the Japanese just aren't aware of this yet and think pharmaseutical corporations are trying their best to save the world.

>>281156304
I think you're overthinking it, this was just edgy doraemon, doraemon arrives in the life of a little girl who's life is completely fucked and his cartoony hijinks just make everything worse, things escalate from there and the resolution is to remove himself from the situation which leads to the girls achieving some understanding
It reminds me a bit of that Clarissa comic, it's just fun to see one of this magical cartoon characters arrive in the life of someone too fucked for them to help

>>281156568
That's effectively magic.

The 'Original Sin' in the title is specifically referring to original sin as described in Genesis and if your reading of the series does not take into account Commandments or the Trinity or at least vague concepts these and of the natural state of sinfulness, I can promise you that you are missing the point.

Takopi is basically a kid trying to fix adult issues.
Ofcourse he was never going to succeed.
His "happy gadgets" are not going to fix domestic violence.
The whole show is commentary on how trauma breeds more trauma.
Every character has negative traits that they inherited from their parents.
Marina is physically violent.
Shizuka is manipulative.
Azuma is constantly looking for validation.
Takopi in turn inherits a bit of everyone.
Takopi in this context can be seen as the children's child.
He is pure innocence when he first lands on earth.
He then becomes more violent after being physically abused by Marina.
He becomes a downright psychopath from Shizuka manipulating him into thinking killing Marina was a good thing.
He starts doubting himself and calling himself stupid after Azuma verbally abuses him almost every sentence.
Parents shape their children, who in turn shape their own children.
Until this cycle is broken, which is what Takopi's sacrifice symbolizes.

>>281158640
Didn't think of it that way, that's a pretty interesting interpretation that rings true

>>281154288 (OP)
>takes away everything from her leaving himself as her only source of happiness
>im off to make some other version of you happy!
i laughed so hard at this bit
the only thing that would have made it funnier is if there was a reveal that every timp jump just split a multiverse and so he's ultimately responsible for hundreds of unhappy lives

>>281156304
the entire premise is a criticism of utilitarianism

Well, anon, can you do it?

>>281158640
That is way too succinct and well-reasoned for this board, /a/non.

>>281156304
The curtains are blue

>>281154288 (OP)
kino show

>>281154288 (OP)
necrobump for your multithread gen

>>281163694
thanks

>>281154288 (OP)
marina was evil too

>>281166751
commendable necro

anons... the emptiness is creeping in. It's less than 48 hours since I finished and I already feel like rewatching. I already read all the explanations and critiques.
It's one of those anime that just lives in your head like something important has been left unresolved and you can't figure out what.

>>281166953
just gotta foster some children into happy homes ex dee

It's really interesting to see how massively different the average reaction seems to be between the japanese and western audiences. While the japanese viewership seems to sympathize with both children and their awful circumstances, including the feeling of helplessness in the face of a public school system that doesn't care about them, the western reaction seems to focus on trying to find a definitive "culprit" to shift all of the blame on, sometimes even to the point where they hold a literal 9-year old child directly responsible. Internet edgelords trying to one-up another, wishing for the death of a child not as a heat-of-the-moment impulse reaction, but even doubling down on it later on Twitter and other platforms. Whether it's done for views or for controversy, it's revolting either way.

when shizuke kills takopi does the timeline switch? Im confused about the continuity there.

>>281167575
too long i dont read but the western neo-pedo-marxist empire is evil i agree

>>281158640
The one anon with the ability to actually read

The mangaka didn't know how to end his work
so he pulled BvS Martha

The final episode was a fucking huge cop-out. After the 5th episode I thought shit was going to get real but instead we get this tacked on lukewarm crap.
If this follows the manga plot then this must be with 99% certainty because of Shonen Jump's editorial intervention as no self respecting author would write this willingly.

>>281167707
more likely it was because the author doesn't hate humanity as much as his work may suggest
praise jeesus, adam and eve, not bill gates and steve jobs ok

>>281167809
>>281167707
Read his other works
he doesn't know how to end a story

>psychopaths and edgelords who want to see as much suffering as possible are confused by a hopeful ending that doesn't erase the awful things that have happened, but shows how to move on from them in a positive way
Why are low IQ brown people like that?

>>281167575
So how do the Japanese cope with the sadness? I guess just extreme resolve to be better for kids in real life?

>>281168354
I don't even understand the question. You do realize that really awful things happen all the time in real life without ever getting resolved either, right?

>>281167940
What other works? I can find only one and that was also published by Jump Comics. Pretty sure it's a classic case of "oops this is getting too dark, can't publish this in a family friendly comic book. think about the advertisers!"

>>281168471
holy fuck

>>281168470
- watch sad movie
- feel sad and emotional
- Western cope: blame certain characters to isolate the problem "if only for x, everything would be alright"
- Japan: more widely empathize with characters. But how do they cope? Just tank the emotional damage like zen buddha? Like what are some common sentiments?

I feel empty now, bros.
I don't really care about any other anime airing this season.
Wtf am I going to do for the next 6 weeks?

Hmm hmm hmm... indeed. But I think

>>281158640
nailed it. I didn't even think about how things were affecting Takopi himself.

>>281157941
So the original sin is takopi knowleadge of good and evil?

>>281168806
I haven't really read many reactions, but it has become western, especially American, culture to blame someone other than oneself while Japanese always turn inward because they feel that society is never wrong (due to collectivist thought), so if something happens to them, they are to blame somehow. As for how Japanese cope, they smoke and drink a lot and often have massive mental breakdowns and it is considered normal.

>>281169839
There is definitely a religious connotation to this. "Genzai" is written with the kanji for "original sin" which is also used in Japanese language Christian Bibles to refer to that same concept. You could interpret this in a ton of ways. 1). Takopi learns good and evil. 2) Takopi is God, actively trying to guide humanity but fails and then fades away into obscurity with only the "love of God" left in the hearts of the humans to guide them on a moral path, and the original sin is the separation of Marina and Shizuka from Takopi (God).

>>281170125
You're slightly off about the collectivist thought prevalent in japanese society. "Society can do no wrong" isn't true at all. Blaming society for how these children turned out is the collectivist approach actually.

Just finished and sure if I'm retarded or ending is retarded. So Takopi went back to past and... left? killed himself? And now everyone is happy, although in original timeline everything went to shit, because... they remember Takopi due some interdenominational magic? What about Naoki, he got better because of conversation with his brother that never happened, not Takopi, but he's cool also?
Did manga explain things better?

>just finished

Speaking of finishing, today when I was masturbating in front of my queen size bed (width 140cm), I was so fucking errect and thinking about lillie (that blonde pokemon trainer), I had a scenario set up in my head where I had an ai analyze her fear/arousal/pain/shame in real time to find her worst fears and then torture her with it, I nutted so hard that the cum hit my wall, it's the farthest I ever nutted.

I was watching the fun fly through the air, and it was like PUMP PUMP PUMP, It was 8 pumps with the first 3 hitting the wall the last 5 a bit shorter.

Feeling so good I wish I had a girl like that in my room, I'd force her to keep my cum in her mouth and kneel on frozen peas for hours while I'm away doing something and when I come back she is just begging for me to allow her to swallow it. After she's swallowed it and thanked me I'd punish her anyways because the peas melted. She's gonna say stuff like "but what could I have done peas melt" but then I'm just gonna punish her more. A good girl should be able to keep the peas frozen. So I would take the nipple clamps with the bells and force them tight on her nipples.

Then I'd take a tail anal plug and cover it in Carolina reaper paste and as she is flailing in the corner begging for me to fuck her instead, to use hot wax or electroshocks. I just take her and force my cock inside and force her to say how much she loves it as I then rape her pussy whilst pulling on her hair and then slamming her head into the floor. The bells on her nipples make noises the entire time humiliating her.
Once I finish inside I would force her to suck my feet, even lick between the toes.
I would insult her the entire time, and then she would be a good girl and take in my whole foot in her mouth whilst I'm whipping her.

>>281170949
MOOOOOOOOOOODS

I truly do not understand how such a surface level work could fool so many people into thinking it's anything more than babby's first emotionally manipulative work.
If you've watched more than 10 anime then you would catch the shit this show is trying to pull instantly.

>>281154288 (OP)
At least Shizuka won in the original timeline
>cucked psycho bitch Marinara and which led her to kill herself
>has a turbo simp wrapped around her finger who will obey her every whim, and all she had to do was walk by him ONE (1) time

>>281170823
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014:15-31&version=NIV

>>281170949
>Thinking of Lillie instead of JK marina-chan in a takopi thread
Ngmi

>the japanese catch the obvious christian analogy in this story better than westerners
It's hilarious how braindead western normalfags are.

>>281168354
仕方ない。

>>281160669
>>281156304
The whole show is clearly a reference to Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment, and Takopi is Raskolnikov that commits a crime for a good cause, but fucks up.

>>281171336
There is no "obvious Christian analogy". It's literally set dressing to make it seem more exotic to the nips.
There is literally no way you can meaningfully connect Takopi to the concept of the Christian "Original Sin" unless you want to do some serious mental gymnastics.
This show is such a crock of shit it continually astounds me that people treat it with any level of seriousness.

>>281170823
>everyone is happy
Marina throws it at your damn face that things are still fucked up and you simply ignore that because they weren't being miserable for 30 seconds.

>>281154288 (OP)
He lives!

>>281171448
Just because it's a bad analogy doesn't mean there is no analogy at all.

>>281171496
True enough, a bad analogy is worse than none at all.
Out of all the ways these braindead anons slobber on the Octopus' cock, the pseudo-religious bullshit is the tippy top of the retardation mountain.
Midwit shit.

Some anon help me because I'm retarded, how the hell did Azuma have the camera after he told his brother about the murders? Did the police not even ask him about the murder weapon or did he clean it and hide it? or did his brother take the fall?

>>281171336
The problem is this show left its target audience in the west and got picked up by normalfags looking for reactionbait. Their minds are too rotted by shonen and isekai to do anything but desperately try and assign shit like powerlevels and pointless mechanics to literal plot devices

>>281171625
You're shitting solely on the west when it's a universal given that if you think Takopi is good on any level then you are a mouth breathing retard.
Stupidity and follower mentality is universal, you know.

>>281171625
I remember seeing some dude (pretty sure it was one of the really big reaction guys in the west) constantly asking who the strongestestest mage is in Frieren, even during the scene where Frieren mentions that she lost 11 times against other mages with less mana than her.

>>281171047
But I watched more than 10 anime and I didn't catch it :(

>>281171047
>>281171448
>>281171607
>>281171677
Trying too hard.

Seeing mongoloids like NicholasTV receive huge backlash over his internet tough guy melty already makes this anime of the year for me.

I understand the criticism of the ending, but I thought it was pretty good.
Probably the best ending without leaning too much to either "happy" or "sad"

>>281171790
Please stop drinking paint.

>>281171617
I don't know, maybe it got explained in the manga, but I assume he just hid it from the police.

>>281171790
>Takoshit enjoyers actually watch reactiontubers and their drama
Absolutely, 100% vindicated in all of my opinions over this normalfag garbage.

>Takopii is banished from paradise
>Shizuka's entire character raises the question of how she could be evil even though she's blessed
>Climactic monologue from Azuma telling you it's innate and contradictory
>"There is no "obvious Christian analogy". It's literally set dressing"
It's basic as fuck but you can't say they only put 原罪 in the title to make it sound interesting,. There's a thematic follow through at least.

>>281154288 (OP)
Cause Marina is a fucking cunt, all the shit Shizuka did was justified, including killing her

>>281154288 (OP)
I was genuinely expecting Madoka-tier shenanigans with Takopi becoming evil and Kuze sinking into hardcore bpd shit or some huge plot twist

Also thought there'd be 12 episodes and it was gearing toward something

What the fuck was this ending
Should I read the manga?

>>281172531
Reading the manga won't help you.

chance of season 2?

>>281174242
ask the mangaka to write more

Shizuka kidnapped Satsuki and Eri, kept them confined for a month, tortured them, and turned them into cicadas using the transformation palette and fed it to Takopi. She used the transformation palette to turn random animals into lookalikes of the two girls and released them as substitutes.

>>281167701
The real takeaway, the author needed to deus ex a happier resolution after reversing everything, and so they went with, it's magic I don't have to explain shit

>>281174468
She couldn't kill Takopii, so she wasn't capable of actual murder in the end.
She said it so herself when it came to Marina. She wanted to kill her but didn't have the guts.

>>281154288 (OP)
how many timelines are there even? it's unsatisfying that all the timelines are intertwined, the show could've been better without all that crap

>>281174468
How detailed was this in the manga? The absence of most of the Tokyo plot was a bit disappointing.

i'm a slowpoke and just finished watching
so this was the ending people were disappointed in

>>281166953
It's one of life's mysteries: filling the gaping void in our hearts

>>281169636
Rewatch the show again

>>281171625
I would want to believe it would help them branch out into better shows that are more thought provoking than seasonal slop, but I don't have much hope for them. At least they're watch something that isn't retard bait when they watch Takopi.

>>281172531
You got a plot twist: a happy ending. Be Shook.

>>281178075
That never happens. Normalfags watched Look Back ("it's from the creator of Chainsaw Man!!!") and could only communicate in memes about it. None of them understood anything that happened in that film, they all thought the massacre was just some lolsorandom moment from the wacky CSM author.

>>281176567
>My time travel anime would've been better without all that time travel nonsense

>>281155668
We told you. There's a reason why the manga wasn't considered top-tier

>>281172531
>Madoka-tier shenanigans with Takopi becoming evil and Kuze sinking into hardcore bpd shit
That sounds terrible

>>281177191
That didn't actually happen, anon.

>>281178199
Every time travel story would be better without time travel and with good writing instead.

>>281155668
I could have told you that from episode 1 alone. It was obviously made as misery-porn first, story never. The only way this story even worked is for literally everyone involved to be the worst possible human beings. I know people kind of suck sometimes, but the odds of every single motherfucker being on the evil spectrum is unlikely.

>>281178166
Failing kids for not being able to understand media should be a thing again. Or not understanding how to read or write.
Even then, it would probably just lead to normalfags expressing awful opinions a more coherent manner; rather than being able to think critically in any form.
It's really depressing that Japan seems to be one of the only societies that isn't actively degenerating before our eyes,

>>281178379
Japanese people have other problems. They're able to critically think when it comes to media, but they're extremely subservient when it comes to other matters. Most japanese school children, for example, will answer the question "Why is stealing wrong?" with "Because you get punished.". While it's a net positive that they take this seriously, it's not really an understanding of moral values.

>>281178365
But all the adults in the show weren't evil. They were just normal-tier awful, except for maybe Marina's mom. If they were evil, they would actively be making their lives worse instead of just not caring about their lives at all.

>>281178459
Yeah, not every society is perfect, unfortunately. For example, Japan doesn't have as many race issues because they're incredibly racist and not many other races immigrate there for work. While Japanese society isn't degrading, it does suck.

>>281178509
Please.... ignoring such obvious abuse makes you evil. Not AS evil as the ones doing the abuse, but still...

>>281178826
It's always interesting to me how many people don't understand that outsiders don't actually see what happens to a person once they leave their field of vision. It's like the breakfast question for normalfags or something.

>what do you mean the teacher didn't see them almost kill each other? but I saw it happen!

>>281178826
Are you doing something about the Evils of the world? What have you done lately to fix the problems of society? Perhaps, we can say that we, as individuals have no power to help. Does this make us evil?

>thought provoking
>conclusion is yurishit
lol
lmao

>>281178940
>two girls being friendly to each other means they are lesbians
Retard.

>>281178951
Retarded, but based.

>>281178992
Look, I enjoy yuri. Two cute girls kissing each other is something most men appreciate in some way. But it gets lame and reductive if every single genuine friendship is reduced to mindless eros.

>>281179013
It is, you're not wrong at all. But I like yuri and the enemies-to-lovers trope. The ending is ambiguous enough that you can construe it as either kind of relationship.

>>281167575
Sadly shows like this expose the IQ of the general population. The reactions to this show have been the embodiment of "small minds discuss people". When presented with more complete information about a character, they are incapable of recontextualizing previous events in light of the newer information and looking at the story again from a higher order of thinking. Instead, they simply flip the script.

Questions like "is it perhaps not all black and white?", "could it be that someone being a victim doesn't make them an angel?", "could one acknowledge how an individual's circumstances could lead them to commit such actions without using them as a justification for said actions?", etc. never come to their mind. They can only think in terms of "The story told me A was good and B was evil. Now the story is painting B in a good light, so that must mean it's actually B who is good and A who was evil all along." And as you said, the fact that they're saying this about literal children just makes it even more ridiculous.

>>281178913
This is another common one. "Durr why are these characters so stupid for not knowing [information I only know because I'm the audience, not a character in the story, and the author wanted the audience to know this information]?" They are incapable of putting themselves in the shoes of the characters in the story.

It's a shame that the term "media literacy" has been reduced to a meaningless buzzword, because there isn't a more apt phrase to describe this phenomenon than "poor media literacy".

>>281179765
>They can only think in terms of "The story told me A was good and B was evil. Now the story is painting B in a good light, so that must mean it's actually B who is good and A who was evil all along."
Absolutely nailed it. It's the lack of being able to recontextualize.

>>281179873
A lot of it stems from the inability to say that you were wrong about something. It's okay and normal to be wrong about things and to admit to it. You wouldn't say you were right about the math problem you messed up? Perhaps it stems from a failure in education and parenting, since many teachers are forced to pass failing students and many parents fail to let their kids learn about how to overcome failure.

why did their uniforms differ again?

>>281154288 (OP)
Takopi's race is dumb af, but at least he understood that the japanese are also dumb as fuck and most of their problems come from not talking things out.

>>281179765
I think a greater test of IQ is if the general audience is able to apply some critical thinking skills to a flawed and shallow story, instead of taking it hook, line, and sinker, and believing it's AOTY just for having children suffering and a lot of crying.
This anime is so damn blatant with it's messaging that it's insulting to people who like to actually dive into media and unravel subtle themes.

>>281180473
Brown uniform is for poor people with bad grades.

>>281180531
Low EQ Anons just won't "get" Takopi, or why it's so good. Good shows don't need to be subtle to be good.

>he's still seething and fishing for (You)s
Get over it already, shonentard.

>>281180531
I think a greater test of mental stability is still being this mad about the show for six weeks

>>281179013
Yes you can appreciate it when there’s a guy involved in the kissing as well. I have no clue why people can’t understand something so simple

>>281180755
When you see a show that is so damn blatant and manipulative fool the vast majority of people into thinking it's something greater, you can't help but get mad. How fucking on the nose does something have to be until people start to actually question the quality of what they're watching? Of course it's infuriating when your among a sea of blind yes-men.
>>281180747
I despise shounenshit, you're just labelling because you don't want to listen.

>>281180531
A message doesn't always have to be subtle to be impactful. A well-written story without subtext that beats you over the head with its meaning is in no way inferior to a story of similar quality but with a focus on ambiguity.

>>281154604
Ignorance is bliss, and their race is bliss incarnate.

There are shows that are truly worthless and massively overrated like Frieren that you could actually argue against if you care about having standards. I'm not sure why you would spend so much time railing against a show that's still at least solid even if it's "manipulative" and patronizing or whatever your problem is. You're not going to convince anyone to call it bad because it isn't. The only reason to still be at it is to farm replies

>>281154604
>or maybe the other aliens are just very simple beings like takopi
This is my headcanon as well. Earth just happens to be a backwards shithole. It's a pretty common trope in scifi anyway.

>>281180930
This. I think it's a solid 7.5 - 8 frankly, but it's not really worth the effort to autistically try and convince people giving it a 10 not to do so. It's not my job to make people with shit taste have better taste.

>he's now samefagging and trying to rile completely unrelated fanbases against each other

>>281180930
I'm not farming replies, I'm willingly screaming into the void because I see hordes of sheep praise a deceptive show that is designed to prey on emotions. I am 100% sure that it's one of those "praise it because it's popular" shows, given how much the normalfags have latched on to it.
I think Frieren is OK, it's an above average fantasy with some good moments. If you actually want to talk about this, then I would say that Frieren is much more organic and authentic about it's emotions, comparing it to Takopii. You take a character, build them up, then see them come crashing down. With Takopii there is only the crashing down, there's no buildup, there's no meat to the characters.

10/10 show. Loved it from start to finish.

>>281180973
I just have to look at the news to understand that the people of earth just suck. Imagine sending Takopi to a warzone to help make people happy...

My favorite part is the OP, I love hearing Ontan sing

>>281181062
The vast majority of people are good. Get over yourself.

>>281181053
I like having my emotions preyed upon by cute anime octopi and morally ambiguous anime girls.

>>281181062
If Takopi was dropped into a WW2 zone or something and saw the carnage, gore and the effort that humanity put in just to directly harm each other he would become an absolute psychopath back home and probably destroy his own race as well.

>>281180531
>>281180864
And to just to add on to this anons comment. Even if you believe its a poor-written story with no subtext, it excels in just about every thing else. The animation is consistently high quality with some interesting scene composition. This alone puts Takopi in the running for AOTS. The voice acting, ost and sound design were also top notch. I get it if you don't like the work. But dismissing it as low IQ garbage on /a/ of all places just because its misery porn or lacks subtly is beyond retarded.

>>281181134
>The vast majority of people are good
More like, the vast majority of people want to be perceived as "good". We don't know the thoughts of others, and thus won't know for sure.

So the morale of this show is that women are fucking evil?

>>281154288 (OP)
What were you expecting?

>>281181242
Your second statement directly undermines your first.

>>281181191
I disagree. Anime is comprised of the elements you said: animation, composition, soundtrack, and story, plus some other things I'm probably glossing over.
Yet the core of an anime is the story, the message behind it. Otherwise you're literally just turning your brain off to watch pretty pictures and sounds, meanwhile a dogshit thread of plots occurs with little to no coherence.
A bad story should always tank an anime, if you have any self respect for your intelligence and time. Yeah, Takopii has an amazing quality of animation and a soundtrack that's still stuck in my head, but the shitty story brings this down to a 6/10, at best.

>>281181181
>Takopi is sent to WW2 Japan
We gotta kill all the westerners -Pi!
Praise the Emperor -Pi!
Banzai -PI!

>>281181296
Damn, you're right. I guess we'll never know the truth.

There were two clear solutions to the Marina and Shizuka issue, and Takopi chose neither. Both ways involve going further back and stopping Shizuka's mom from fucking Marina's dad. Marina's dad was the catalyst for every problem because he couldn't just be happy with his wife and daughter. He just had to go fuck a whore (Shizuka's mom) and ruin everything.

Takopi's original sin was that he didn't arrive earlier and use his happy gadgets to make Marina's parents be less shit.

>>281181298
I think you overstate how "bad" the story of Takopi is. It's just mediocre.

>>281181268
We're all evil to some degree and for most it would be justified to act in evil ways. But its better for everyone if we try to do our best, to be kind to each other, to reach out to the people we know and to be someone that others can hold onto when things get hard, and as shit as it may be, to be the one that takes the punches and doesn't continue the cycle.
>>281181242
>More like, the vast majority of people want to be perceived as "good".
Does it even matter? If you act in good ways i don't think the reasoning being dumb or vapid matters at the end of the day.

>>281181298
>Yet the core of an anime is the story
The core of an anime is the animation and everything that ties into it. Otherwise it would be a book.

>>281181456
>Does it even matter?
A bit. It goes back to the whole "does the method or the result matter more" debate. The answer depends on your point of view.

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>>281181191
>I didn't like it. That means its bad.

>>281181053
Even the good parts of Frieren near the beginning were "manipulative". It has the same problem you claim Takopii has, where it belabors a whole scene or arc about some loss that happened previously. The music will swell and the camera will pan and the MC will mumble something about her journey as a hero and the show hopes you'll let that move you before you realize the whole thing depends on you caring about their generic former quest in the first place. Or, if you don't, it hopes you'll at least ignore that to hype it up as the greatest thing ever with everyone else. That's enough to be upsetting even before it gives up on even attempting something novel and plays out the rest of its runtime as a well composed, if heavily disappointing, story.
Takopii expects you to have an emotional response, yeah, its subject matter is innately inflammatory and it leans on it to keep you invested. The characters don't need an entire arc to get you hooked because they're archetypes. You're meant to identify with them before you even know their names. The same goes for Frieren, difference being that the latter relies on mediocre and boring archetypes in the first place. Fantasy schlock prints money though, child abuse generally doesn't. The popularity of Takopii wasn't calculated, I think it just resonated with a lot of people. Faulting it for that is like calling puppies "manipulative" for getting the braindead masses to pet them

>>281181661
Is it really manipulative when it’s trying to sell the show by improving the unappealing source material? If it goes to shit then it’s just obvious that the writer either gave up or ran out of ideas

>>281155668
this, this anime is complete garbage don't watch

>>281181298
Hard disagree. A good story that fails at everything else is worthless. What matters the creativity and skilled required to convey information in a way that words alone cannot. but that information doesn't have to be a story. It can purely be an appreciation of movement or emotion. As long as its properly conveyed. Yes, a poor story a hinder how a show connects with its audience, but if you are going to evaluate a show beyond your own preferences, you need to look past just the story.

>>281181433
Takopi didn't use his tentacles properly

>>281181833
oh god Shizuka, time to get CORRECTED

>>281158640
>Whole point [...] trauma breeds more trauma
>And some people still don't classify this as misery porn

>>281181883
If it has a point, then it's not misery porn

>>281156322
Yeah it was meant to be kind of stupid and irrational because kids do things for stupid and irrational reasons. They're volatile creatures whose emotions can completely change based on the smallest things. Takopi left an impression on them strong enough for the both of them to remember and bond over, even if to them it was just a drawing and feelings they didn't understand. Anyone asking for an ending where they sit down and have a heart to heart about the complexities of abuse in the household has just never spoken to a 9 year old in their life.

>>281171438
Raskolnikov's crime was never for a good cause, he just convinced himself that it could be.

>>281181883
>trauma porn is when a series portrays trauma

>>281181191
>I'm bored out of my mind watching this, but it has good production value: masterpiece.

>>281175467
Takopii is built different from humans

>>281170125
>"Genzai" is written with the kanji for "original sin" which is also used in Japanese language Christian Bibles to refer to that same concept
Isn't the "Original Sin" in the Christian bible the disobedience of god, not the knowledge of good and evil? Genuinely asking since I'm not very familiar with Christianity

>>281182568
>>281182706
Just two girls doing girl things

>>281181268
No. It’s that people need only someone to bear the pain of life with them. To not be alone and they can try to make do with he situation life dealt with them.
You can be the takopii to someone else and be there as a support to truly understand. We can’t magically fix everything but we can support each other along the way.

parents also need to become better people if they ever want to have a child.

This show has so many life lessons these are just two off the top of my head.

>>281182707
It's kind of both. Gaining knowledge of Good and Evil by disobeying God's orders to not eat the fruit.

In the ending where Marina says it was Shizuka's fault that Marina mom was having a bad day, does this imply Marina's dad was still going to see Shizuka's mom? I find it hard to believe that Marina dad would stay committed to one whore for at least 8 years even as she became haggier.
But what if what Marina said was literal and it was because Marina mom found out her daughter was hanging around the Kuze daughter?

>>281182948
Marina's parents got a divorce because of Shizuka's mom which ruined Marina's mom psychologically as we see in the first timeline, she just means in a long-term way.

>>281172048
anon get a life :3

>>281182948
Pretty sure he was just burning all his money in some hostess club and Marina's mom (and her) saw every woman in that line of work as the potential culprit

Maybe the real Takopii was the friends we made along the way

>>281183093
Be the Takopi you've always wanted.

>>281182902
That's an interesting way to think about it. I think the only hangup I have about it is that Mama in Takopi doesn't exactly fit the role of god in that context. I'm curious if you think the same? Or do you think Mama isn't meant to represent god?

>>281183455
nta but she kind of does as she kicks Takopi from Heaven (Planet Happy) but also the religion parallels are easily the least interesting and fleshed out aspect of the series anyway

why is marina's mom so concerned with her getting a boyfriend isn't she like 8

>>281154288 (OP)
The story was painfully mid but with great artistic direction, this same team should just adapt Oyasumi Pun Pun, that will create a bigger ruckus internet wide.

2nd season is a sports anime

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>>281183618
I think she was projecting herself onto her daughter, which is why she snapped when she heard that Azuma won't come to dinner with Marina because he was with Shizuka. Because it reminded her of her own problems with her husband being stolen away by another woman.

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>>281183795
I think that's fairly obvious. Why are so many anons having trouble understanding basic things and asking stupid questions? At this point I almost believe that the OP isn't a joke.

>>281183897
>I think that's fairly obvious. Why are so many anons having trouble understanding basic things and asking stupid questions?
i dont see how being upset with your own marriage would compel you to have a panic attack when your prepubescent daughter's first ever relationship doesn't work out

>>281183927
You're hopeless. I won't be able to make you understand so instead I'll say this
>prepubescent
She's in high school at that point. You couldn't even follow basic plot points.

>>281183962
nothing about her appearance in that scene suggests her being a teenager

>>281183962
>>281184000
also azuma in that same segment has a prepubescent voice

>>281184000
their uniform

>>281184084
why would teenage azuma's balls not have dropped
or is she 16 dating a 9 year old

>>281184000
they're 10 in 2016 which makes them 16 in 2022

>>281184133
why didnt she get any taller

>>281184000
>>281183618
It's not explicitly stated but it's pretty fucking obvious, and if you want confirmation the chapter/episode is called "To You in 2022" and the first chapter/episode is called "To You in 2016", do the match.
Also her mom was obsessed with it because she blamed herself for ruining her daughter's life by giving her a scar that made everyone dislike her and when Azuma showed interest it made her mom think she could actually be a good mom and her daughter wasn't hopeless.

>>281184153
why do she and azuma not get taller and why isnt azuma's voice deepened

>>281184188
They all very noticeably got taller you're just blind and retarded.

>>281184253
they look like they've gained about one inch
also you didnt address the second point

>>281184269
They clearly gained more than one inch and it's not infeasible for puberty to hit someone late.

is this anime actually good? I read the manga and it was cringe and bad and everyone agreed it was trash

>>281184291
If you didn't like the manga you won't like the anime, it's the exact same story with better presentation.

>>281184287
>it's not infeasible for puberty to hit someone late.
men hit puberty at 12 years
even less in a developed country like japan
so why don't you just admit they just didn't think of it

>>281184269
She's a lot taller relative to the light switch.

So nothing is actually resolved about their atrocious families but at least they have each other

What is actually meant to be the takeaway to this story because I found penguindrum rather pretentious but this puts even that to shame

>>281171617
Shikuka handed the bloodstained camera to him in a ziploc bag (when she told him to make a false confession to the police) didn't she? We don't know what if anything Azuma told his brother or what if anything he told the police. Azuma seems to have cleaned the camera. The brother got fired from his part time job and probably won't be able to go to university. But that sounds like something more minor than being charged with murder. (Maybe he gave the police a false alibi to protect Azuma which was disproven or something.)

>>281184429
Life sucks and there is no magical fix to it, you just got to thug it out but at least you can thug it out together.

Or something like that, the ending should've had an entire episode dedicated to it.

>>281184429
With that finale, that you should kill yourself because you will never get a deux ex machina alien octopus to come and save you

>>281184491
The ending is left as an exercise for the viewer

>>281184394
Exactly. And that is enough
That is enough for them to have each other, they can live through life even if it's shitty. They will reach adulthood because they know someone cares about them and can relate and will be there with them now to hear each other out.

They are BFFs and traumabonding due to the same shitty situation in life they are in and how shit their parents are.

>>281184429
How does it feel to live without emotions, Anon?

>>281184429
Kill aliens on sight.

>>281184291
It was pretty good, but if you didn't like the manga you wouldn't like the anime

>>281184611
BakaTakos are for loving.

In the week or so that Takopi keeps futilely using the happy camera for a do over (to prevent Chappi dying and Shizuka suiciding) there seems to be infinite timelines.

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>>281183799
lmao

>>281167615
No, she can't seem to kill him. But Takopi gets his memory back from her banging his head with a rock. Then he remembers the events of 2022 when Marina was the human he originally befriended (before travelling back in time to 2016, on a mission to kill Shizuka for Marina, which he later forgets about.)

>>281184667
This show has one existing actual timeline.
The show seems to not be using the Multiple-Universe Theory.

It's a single timeline so if someone goes back the whole thing universe is actually reversed.

Look at these niggas

>>281184743
>No, she can't seem to kill him.
Yeah takopi is fucking indestructible. Alien's are built different.

>>281158640
Marina is Islam, Shizuka is Judaism, Azuma is Christianity

>>281184361
okay this makes sense i'll concede this point but not azuma's voice not deepening

>>281184771
I want one soooo bad. I'm gonna wait for the price to go down a bit and order a 2nd hand one or a cheap 1st hand one but the quality one only.

Thinking of what size is best. I'm thinking a 1:1 Takopii size is what I want

>>281184772
but he can kill himself, right?

>>281184784
Yes just like how diamond can cut diamond

>>281154288 (OP)
it's a very low IQ anime, just enjoy the cute girls getting abused and sometimes being happy, it's like a retarded Higurashi if the point of Higurashi was you need other people to be happy, well they got the talking thing so I guess that's good enough

>>281184779
I’m gonna go with a cheaper option which it’s requesting someone to make me a crochet Takopii.

>>281184779
Just make one yourself. I believe in you -pi!

>>281184795
while this was an easy 6/10 for me higurashi is substantially worse
that author is an absolute hack and his involvement in silent hill f immediately destroyed my hype for that game