Chapter 23: The Sound of Love

19, 20, 21, 22 >>281112596

Hey OP

>>281223636
Meido!

>>281223678
She is REALLY cute

>>281223678
Annie is also cute.
And devoted to her mistress....

And that's it. This opera seems nice.
Have you written to your mother recently?

>>281223897
uh, what kind of question is that? what an insensitive dork. cute eleanor is wasted on him.

>>281223822
Are the actors speaking Italian or English?

>>281223971
Thanks, OP.

>>281223971
thanks op.

>>281223705
Oh hey, it's those people from the Bangaihen chapters waaaay later.

>>281223971
Thanks OP
I am still of the opinion that there is no character more tragic than William

>>281223976
This.
Emma is a dork as well, but she's adorkable. William not so much.

>>281224000
they aren't speaking at all, for they're in a manga

>>281223637
I know it's somewhere in the 1800s but he can't really be that dense right

>>281223976
Eleanor was just another social chore to William after all. You can really tell in >>281198787.

>>281224000
They're singing in Italian.

>>281223874
!!!

This slut.

>>281223874
The fine young lady is into contact sports...

>>281223678
>>281223693
Why you must make her suffer so

>>281223874
I don't know why and I don't know how, but I've always been a sucker for this sort of thing.

>>281223971
I have
Thanks as always OP!

>>281223971
Thx mate.

>>281223705
I don't get why people back then found ankles to be scandalous, but not cleavage.

>>281225013
nobody can hate boobies.

>>281224052
William has a good life overall.

>>281224052
He himself is the only tragedy.
If he really loved Emma, he just could have married her.
He has a good education and connections, so he could find good work - probably not well paid enough to afford a mansion, but a solid middle class lifestyle.
His mother would probably support him anyway.

>>281223705
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ifjfyh_X4w
classic

>>281223971
>Your mother

>>281223678
I really hate to say it
I think I like her more than Emma

>>281223705
I might be thinking of something else, but I believe this opera is about love between the classes

>>281223759
Wouldn't it just?

>>281223874
This is sexual assault

>>281223857
>>281223883
It might be time to forget about the maid

>>281223952
Has she in her fuck
I've meant to say this for a while, but it feels rare to see a family with this manga siblings in a manga, and I like it

>>281223971
Thanks OP
I sent her a text back if that counts

William should just marry Eleanor and keep Emma in his house as his maid/mistress
Simple

>>281225811
>If he really loved Emma, he just could have married her.
It helps no one to be reductive. Marrying Emma would have put him at odds with his entire family, who he also loves. Plus, he tried to get in contact with Emma many times.

>>281223971
thanks, OP. I call her weekly

>>281223759
She deserves better than what Will is doing to her.

Are there any Japan exclusive Mori merch I should keep an eye out for? Art books n the such

>>281223678
A maiden in love!
Also Annie is cute

>>281225013
Because it's arbitrary nonsense and we should be naked when safe and warm.

>>281231068
I don't like the feeling of my dick and balls swinging freely
Or my ass rubbing all over furniture, with my tip dragging
The fact of the matter is that our bodies are vulgar things that shouldn't always be on display

>>281231368
>dick and balls swinging freely
>with my tip dragging
Just how much cock are you lugging around?!

>>281231399
If you sit down naked, not right on the edge, does your head not touch the seat?

>>281231368
No. Cultivating self disgust in new generations in vulgar. Our bodies are bodies. They should be out when it's convenient, and the warped fools who can't handle it even after counseling rounded up in a reserve.

>>281231368
>dick and balls swinging freely
>my tip dragging

>>281231416
I just took my pants and underwear off and sat back down, and unless I spread my legs all the way and leaned forwards, my cock wasn't close to touching my chair.

>>281223971
Thanks, anonsito.
everyday

>>281231844
I wish this brown loli were a maid.

>>281224001
She should have changed into her maid's dress instead.
She'd have been irresistible to William in it and they could've had kinky sex in the opera box

>>281227686
Unfortunately neither girl would consent to such an arrangement, despite it being a practical solution that would save everyone tears and anguish.

>>281228371
Being at odds with his family is not the worst thing in the world. He could have found an arrangement similar to his mother.
But it's true - he tried. I wonder what would've happened if they had managed to meet before she left....

>>281231940

>>281227686
Reverse the roles for maximum humiliation.

Why did people in Victorian era wear suits and dress everywhere, even the working class? I had to wear suits for interviews and it was extremely uncomfortable, even with air-conditioner. Can't imagine the smells in those rooms in the summer

>>281236263
To make believe they are civilized. English culture is one big flex to cover their insecurity.

>>281236263
>even the working class?
Did they? I'm pretty sure it's just a media contrivance to make the Victorian era more fancy. Normal people would've worn clothes like the ones in The Angelus. Normal stuff that didn't even have buttons

This is an important post from the previous thread and I wanted to share it with you all.
>for application to the bared bottom of a 16-year-old girl.
Whew...

Please keep this in mind, espcially when we reach volume 5. And remember, Vivi is a damn brat!

>>281223914
>>281223952
Sex with Grace

>>281236263
>>281236400
Working class people and rurals didn't dress the same as middle or upper class people and Mori even shows it in the manga.

Let's be honest, lads, William and Emma are completely incompatible. William should uphold his social duty and make an honest woman of that Eleanor gal.

Now that Emma is a disgraced whore, I suppose I have no choice but to take one for the team and marry her. Not the most noble sacrifice, but I'll do what I can.

>>281236263
>smells
The natural fibers they had back then were more breathable and, they would wear a layer or more between their skin and dress. Linen was used for undergarments, is actually known to have antimicrobial and moisture wicking properties (though cotton was popular by this time).

It was also just cooler back then.

>>281223883
>Miquella awaits thee, O promised consort

>>281223874
I'm sorry but I'm folding

>>281228610
Since the previous thread kind of already expired when I posted this, I'm going to share some of it again. Basically, it was part of the governess's job to train and discipline children, and governesses were notorious for harsh punishments. Boys leave the governess at around age 8 for school or a male tutor, while girls will continue being taught under the governess. A bratty girl like Vivi would get hard spankings and canings well into her teens.

>>281238145
It was common enough that there was something called a governess birch. Englishwoman's Domestic Magazine describes the ideal dimensions of a governess birch for giving a girl a bare bottom spanking. The humiliation of exposing her butt was considered an important part of the punishment.
https://www.wellredweekly.com/index.php?article=475
https://georgianjunkie.wordpress.com/2012/12/07/
>Young women and maids were supposed to be dealt with by means of a standard or governess birch. The sometimes rather fanciful Englishwoman's Domestic Magazine suggested that a governess birch should be a minimum of three feet long, with six to nine withes and weigh no less than six ounces for application to the bared bottom of a 16-year-old girl.

>>281238145
By me

>>281238168
Here's something else I found about birching that reflects the time period of Victorian England. There was a Mrs Walter who provided a special service to parents who didn't want to discipline their daughter. She would spank their daughter for them. A newspaper article titled "Girl-Flogging in England" reported on this as an expose
https://vichist.blogspot.com/2017/08/victorian-dial-birch.html
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WT18900118.2.35.17
> She had a strong narrow table, straps for waist, wrists and ankle and a long pliable birch rod. The hapless victim had to take off her dress, knickers and corset and put on a dressing gown back to front a bit like those embarrassing hospital gowns and was quickly strapped down.
>‘Taking the birch, I measure my distance, and standing at the side, I proceed to strike slowly but firmly’ Mrs Walter explained. ‘By moving gently forward, each stroke is differently placed and six strokes may well be enough if given with full force. If the fault has been such as to need severe correction, then I begin on the other side and work back again.
>For screams, increased strokes must be given. If a girl tries very hard to bear it bravely, then perhaps I give 10 instead of 12’.

>>281238251
... I wish to be the little girl.

>>281238179
>>281238189
>>281238201
>>281238216
It's crazy how much Kaoru's art has evolved since Emma's days, the eyes in particular are so.. ''bad''

>>281223784
>>281223772
And then you remember what happens in the sequel.

>>281239219
as i'm reading i keep thinking
>good lord this series has such gorgeous art
but i also keep seeing people (one person?) saying
>damn, her art's come a long way from here

if she's improved as much as they say from a baseline this high, i can't imagine what her art must look like now

>>281239219
We have very different definitions of the word 'bad'
I keep thinking that Eleanor specifically has beautiful eyes

the Mrs. Trollop chapter and the following discussion inspired something from me.

>>281242588
B A L L E R
A
L
L
E
R

>>281236263
They even forced natives in tropical regions to wear their clothes, spreading parasites and skin diseases as those clothes were completely unsuited for the climates in question, Turns out people in the south seas wore loincloths for a reason.

What the hell happened to iqdb and saucenao, who lobotomized them?

bump

>>281244862
Putting a baby bump in Emma

>>281242608
you don't truly appreciate the O-Man's Favorite until you try to draw it, jesus

>>281223705
The bugs bunny/woody woodpecker classic

>>281242588
Nice

>>281242588
noice

>>281235253
That would be incredibly hot...
Rich good girl Eleanor working her ass off in a maids uniform while poor good girl Emma relaxes with a cup of tea.

>>281237452
Also people generally weren't fat slobs with a ton of insulating blubber back then.
And heating was inefficient and expensive (at least in the cold season).

>>281236263
They wore pants, shirts and jackets.
Woolen jackets can be quite comfy - some people still wear them for hunting today.

>>281242588
Pretty good. Though the eyes on right need some touch-up to be better if I'm to criticize something

Keeping this thread clean until the OP gets here.

>>281248720
yeah I fucked up the watercolor on them, tried to clean up digitally but it didn't make much of a difference. it's funny, after trying to replicate Mori's art I think anon >>281239219 couldn't be further from the truth. it's incredibly hard to have eyes this big and not make them look goofy or out of place, yet Mori does it every panel. which I guess isn't that impressive given big eyes is common in manga, but still I have a newfound respect for it.

>>281223559 (OP)
Chapter 24: Rain at Rotten Row

>>281238251
Interesting, thanks.
So no one cared as long as she ran only ads, but things went downhill when it all became too public.

>>281249596
no you don't dum dum

>>281249496
ENTER

And that's it. Monica has a silver tongue.
How's your sister?

>>281249703
Thanks, OP.
And everyone tries to prevent causing pain in the present, but causes more pain in the future instead.

>>281249703
He’s going to fucking KILL him
I don’t have one
Thanks as always OP!

>>281249703
>How's your sister?
>Asking about sisters
Classic OP

>>281249596
At least she doesn't think that she probably unofficial pregnant.

>>281242588
Hell yeah

>>281223559 (OP)
sounding

>>281249457
i want a victorian ojou-sama harem

>>281249703
even this poor men's oscar is more a man than william. thanks op.

>>281249457
I'm a fan of dangling earrings

>>281249703
Thanks OP
She's on holiday

I don't think William deserves much scorn (yet), but this will be good for him

>>281249596
it's so tough to see her like this
>>281249703
thanks, OP

>>281249544
god she was cute
god she still is cute

>>281249596
uh...

>>281249703
Thanks, OP. Haven't seen her in a decade, dunno.

>>281249596
Isn't that verifiably false

>>281249628
>don't shorten it

>>281238145
>>281238168
>>281238251
Sometimes it feels like porn or the large anti corporal punishment sentiment makes people not think stuff like this was true. Women were getting spanked and hit all the time regardless of their place in society and discipling girls regardless of age was common places. When I was doing a paper on this I ran into lots of cases too with stuff like a school banning corporal punishment but it taking a good 10 or 20 years for it to actually be enforced. A lot of the stats of the decrease in corporal punishment are misleading to from a combination of people wanting the stats to be lower and people lying about being punished or to what age it really stopped. If a parent is willing to do it at 16 to 18 they might still be willing to do it at 20 sort of thing.
So basically yeah the lack of girls being spanked in this is weird to say the least but it’s hard to say that without just sounding like I want more of my fetish in the manga.

>>281249867
>he

>>281253156
He's a speedreader, don't worry about him

>>281251702
Nah. She spelled out her whole deal in like a single page by explaining her husband. She knows that William's being an insincere little shit and her sister doesn't deserve that

>>281253156
>>281253178
I am retarded that is correct

>>281249487
IN LOVE WITH ME!

>>281249496
ENTER

>>281249510
BURNED

>>281249596

>>281251702
Will deserves worse.

Eleanor deserves this

>>281254410
shut up emma

There should be a third heroine named Emmanor

>>281254710
Emma would never do this to someone.

>>281223874
Ruined for marriage

Eleanor deserves me

>>281254898
shut up william

>>281255035
William needs more caning

How long did Emma and William actually know each other for? How many times did they meet?

>>281225013
maybe because the ankle thing is just a meme

>>281223636
>>281223653
what the fuck is this spam erp

>>281249703
Thanks OP
>How's your sister?
She's totally changed since she got in an accident. She's a lot nicer now

enj

>>281249703
Thank you for posting.

>>281252977
>but it’s hard to say that without just sounding like I want more of my fetish in the manga
So it is your fetish?

>>281257271
huhu

>>281258013
The problem about studying fetishes, or approaching any taboo really, is everyone questions your motives.

>>281255516
You're right Hakim.

>>281237452
Linen also cools down as it absorbs moisture. (wool is the opposite, it warms up when it gets wet, but it will also wick moisture away from the skin) So if you wear linen undergarments they will cool you down as you sweat.

Linen is actually a really nice fiber, and I wish the entire linen industry hadn't collapsed. It's main disadvantage is that you have to iron it, but everyone's okay with looking like a slob now anyway, so we should bring it back.

>>281258724
Oh yeah linen's fucking great. I have a few bottoms in that.

There are THREE maid dailies. The age of maids is upon us.

>>281258992
The Age of Maids
The Mage

>>281258992
And Shinozaki had a maid chapter just yesterday to boot. It's a maid world, truly.

>>281258724
>the entire linen industry hadn't collapsed
I heard that modern linen tends to be shittier because they're made on cotton looms (meant for shorter cotton fibers), is that correct?

>>281249703
Thanks, anonsito.

>>281259560
I don't know, I make mine on my own loom

>>281258074
Well I have no problem admitting that it's my fetish and the reason I looked into it that deeply is that I like the idea of Vivi and other Victorian girls getting punished with spankings.

>>281261060
That's really cool, anon.

I want to procreate with Mori Kaoru and the women in her manga

>>281249703
Fuck yeah! Kick his ass, Monica!

>>281263175
For what?
For not ending Eleanor's delusions more explicitly?

>>281262639
But Mori is already married to me, get in line

>>281262639
>>281264844
Are we sure she isn't a lesbian

>>281264877
Her love for women is entirely heterosexual.

>>281254816
When Emma rises in the British class system through marrying William, she automatically gets this more fancy name.
If Eleanor would be degraded to the status of a maid, people would call her Ele, or Elle, as no one would bother to call a mere maid by a name more than 2 syllables long.

>>281258013
It is yeah I’ve wrote multiple long papers about it and even was part of an archive group for tracking bdsm content in fiction. As other anon said that it’s hard to study something fetish realated because everyone will think you are being bias in how you write and how you view the world. It does honestly affect my worldview to an extent, I do believe women need more discipline and I do like seeing it depicted in manga and anime. It’s just a complicated subject all around.

>>281265324
And then she'd get a nickname for setting things on fire and become Pyroelle.

>>281258992
soremachi, emma and?

>>281259560
With linen, the longer the fibers are the nicer the resulting fabric will be, I would imagine a lot of modern stuff uses short fibers that are lower cost and/or blends it with other materials like cotton, rayon, or polyester.

>>281267148
Not just lower cost. Deliberately lower durability.

>>281265417
I respect you
Hard

>>281263798
For being a little bitch.

>>281266899
I Want You To Show Me Your Panties With a Disgusted Face

>>281268194
...uh, sorry I'm not doing that. I just wanted to know the name of the other maid manga.

>>281237228
>Now that Emma is a disgraced whore
Would it be that I should take off my gloves and slap them across your face but I would not see to it that I soil my bearings with the filth of one such as you. You sir are the lowest of the low.

>>281268265

>really love emma
>really love eleanor
>hate seeing emma sad
>hate seeing eleanor sad
>rooting for emma
>rooting for eleanor
I'm not feeling so good right now

>>281269032
Same. I like that the romantic "rival" is also a genuinely sweet girl. They both deserve to win.

>>281269032
maybe emma and eleanor should marry each other

>>281249596
Why is the story so cruel to her?

>>281252977
>So basically yeah the lack of girls being spanked in this is weird to say the least
It probably is happening in the setting but it just isn't shown because it's not the focus of the manga and there's no narrative reason to show it

>>281263175
I would like Monica more if she wasn't le heckin' stong independent woman: the character. He exchange with Hakim was good though, her kind of outraged bullshit doesn't work on an ultra personally secure and chilled out person.

William is pretty much a faggot though. And honestly I like the setting and drama, and other characters, more than the actual romance in Emma, you just kind of have to accept it's a story about 'they like eachother for reasons, and now on with the show'. Mori was not a good romance writer when she did Emma, she's improved a lot by the time of Otoyomegatari but I still wouldn't call her a great romance writer.

>>281272179
There’s always a good reason to show girls being disciplined it works in pretty much every genre

>>281223559 (OP)
Chapter 25: Monica, Angered

Hey OP

>>281274818
Hi, OP

>>281274847
Yo yo yo yo

>>281274855
Hiya

>>281274850
Can someone smack this bitch

>>281274836
She's so hot!

>>281274953
oh my

>>281275004
Somebody stop this man

>>281275004
NO
ELEANOR IS MINE
HANDS OFF FAGGOT

>>281275015
This absolutely pitiable girl is about to get put through a wringer Emma could only conceive of

>>281275045
>>281275056
Brutal

>>281275035
>Collin's reaction
Kek

And that's it. What the FUCK
How devoted are you to your waifu?

>>281275097
>marries a 10
>inherits a hugely wealthy business and household
Not a bad trade for giving up on some puppylove

>>281275113
Thanks, OP.

>>281275097
Damn

>>281275113
I’m sure it will be a happy marriage
Unconditionally
Thanks as always OP!

>>281275113
Thanks OP
I'd rather she didn't see some of the things I do

>>281275067
>Her precious imouto will no longer remain hers
Damn...

>>281272567
>le heckin' stong independent woman: the character
Where on Earth did you get that impression? She's a haughty, impulsive retard stuck in a marriage with a man she neither likes or respects. Her family is awful, Eleanor is the only sweet and pure person in her life. Monica's done her best to protect her from their parents, but she has no idea how to love a person in a healthy way. Even though she's right about William in this case, her actions lead to more heartbreak for Eleanor in the end. She's a siscon joke, not an exemplar of female empowerment.

>>281274869
He's cool as fuck.

>>281275004
NOOOOOOO

>>281274836
Siscon's are scary...

>>281275004
wait what

>>281275035
Colin is cute CUTE

>>281275113
I thought Annie would be younger.

>>281275067
damn, she was demolished

>>281275004
Emma? Who?

>>281275113
what the hell is william's plan here, marry eleanor just for appearances? what the fuck my man

>>281275701
She's a good woman from a good family, she's madly in love with him, he's got a mountain of pressure to marry her or at least make a concrete decision on her, and his own personal top choice is a maid who ran out on him, he'd be an absolute fool not to marry her right-ass now

>>281276184
what about his secret plan to play along until he meets emma again?

>>281275004
its so over

>>281276233
He's got a mountain of pressure to make a decision now, he can't afford to hold out
Monica's right anyway, holding out is kind of an asshole move

>>281276233
I don't know why you people focus so much on that plan. to be entirely honest, it seemed more like a way to cope with her loss considering how little work it involves from him, i wouldn't be surprised if he's forgotten it at this point.

>>281276184
Everything you've said is right, but we all know that he'll get with Emma in the end
It's gonna get real fucking ugly

>>281274836
Lady, you're getting the floor wet

>>281274963
I feel like creep up somewhere I tell you what

>>281275004
CRASHING THIS PLANE

>>281276404
Class wars tend to be ugly...I think

>>281249496
ENTER WORST GIRL

>>281275004
AAHHHHHH

If this manga doesn't give Eleanor a new suitor we know she could be happy with I'm not sure how I'll feel

>>281275701
>what the hell is william's plan here
See his dad's reaction here >>281275077. His whole plan is to become the man his family demanded, but in a way that frustrates them. His dad can clearly tell he doesn't care about Eleanor and is just doing it because he feels coerced. Yet, Will is still doing exactly what Dad said, so how can Dad complain?

>>281274938
>I DEMAND YOU GIVE MY SISTER A MORE CONCRETE ANSWER TO HER LOVE!

>>281275004
>OH NO!

>>281275113
i just want to say william is a piece of shit, playing with the feels of a little angel like eleanor just for his dumb petty revenge plan. neither emma nor eleanor deserve such a man in their life. especially eleanor.
thanks op.

>>281275035
Damn it Colin, you sure are slow

Will did nothing wrong, he's just an agent of chaos

>>281277706
Will could've either told his dad to fuck off from the get go and strike out on his own, or gone into high society properly without his gay 'revenge' plan

>>281276636
so he really is doing this for the sake of appearances. this is incredibly selfish and infuriating, it is bound to blow up in his face. I can't like william anymore, what a fucker.

>>281276499
*THIS CARRIAGE

>>281277006
I like the idea of his revenge plan but he chose the worst way to go about it.

>>281277733
If he'd told his dad to fuck off, he could've gotten kicked off from his own family, not only ruining his own life but also potentially setting up his family whom he also clearly likes for a rough situation, since the company wouldn't really have a proper heir, giving his siblings a rougher life. Additionally, consider Emma left William to avoid him trying to ruin his own life for her, how would she react if she found out that will basically ruined his own life alongside that of his siblings just for her? Would she really view this as noble and romantic, or merely reckless and immature?
You people seem really fixated on his plan too, but outside the first few chapters where it was mentioned his behavior might as well just be doing his familial duty, his disinterest and disconnect are just a natural consequence of the fact that he despises the rituals of high society.
He doesn't like eleanor, but he's facing immense (by the time monica busts in it might as well be overwhelming) pressure to marry with no clear benefit to resisting, and for the record, he can't just go look for emma since she literally left no traces for him to track her. Under such a bleak situation, what else would you do?

>>281278309
I'd probably give in and just enjoy the good things coming my way
We're fixated on his plan because he's declared that he's going to be a miserable prick for the rest of his life. He's going to make Eleanor miserable

>>281278309
>You people seem really fixated on his plan too, but outside the first few chapters where it was mentioned his behavior might as well just be doing his familial duty, his disinterest and disconnect are just a natural consequence of the fact that he despises the rituals of high society.
The reaction of both Hakim and the father are a big hint of how Will is not sincere in his intentions. Also he proposed to Eleanor with the same emotion you ask for a cup of coffee, c'mon man, the guy is clearly acting in the most retarded way here.

>>281278309
>You people seem really fixated on his plan too
because obviously it's going to be brought up again since this is a romance manga

>>281275004
Surely, this will end well for the two of them.

I remember getting a bunch of shit ITT for saying Will shouldn't give a shit what his ancestors think and marry Emma anyway. Reply after reply of "his family needs him to do this" and "his ancestors totally would agree with me". Now, you've all changed your tune. Will is doing exactly what his ancestors would've wanted with the obvious consequences. He didn't want to marry anyone else because he didn't love the, and you all called him lesser for it. Now, he's marrying a woman without loving her, and you all call him lesser for it
You gaggle of hypocrites. This is why "muh ancestors" and "muh tradition" are such shit arguments for anything. They get dropped at the first sign of trouble. It's unfortunate the Eleanor is getting caught up in this, but this is all exactly what everyone involved deserves. Will is simply playing his part, a part he tried to reject.
I am of the opinion that William has done nothing wrong

>>281278447
Yes he does not love eleanor, yes he's being coerced, but if by not being sincere in his intentions you mean being explicitly malicious then that is where i start disagreeing. He clearly feels indifferent to her at best, and i see no indication that she's trying to hurt her just for some fucking revenge plan, he's just conceding to the overwhelming pressure.
He is a moron, but he is not evil.

>>281278759
He's not explicitly malicious but if he had an inch of empathy he would realise his actions are doomed to make her suffer. He only cares about himself.

>>281275113
Wow, I already found adult Monica attractive, but loli Monica without any doubt blows all other Emma girls out of the water.

>>281278736
His father only asked him to not marry a maid, which is fine. The rest is just Will being a petty man.

Eleanor deserves to suffer some brutal breakup later for trying to steal Emma’s rightful man.

>>281278983
shut up emma

>>281278983
fuck off Emma

>>281279014
Emma wouldn’t say that because she’s the self sacrifice kind of person and is also very nice. But I am not nice so I don’t have to hold back.

>>281279043
shut up william

>>281278967
It was either marry someone he didn't love now, or marry someone he didn't love later. Why wait?

>>281279043
fuck off William

I'm impressed with the apparent internet access in victorian england

>>281279081
You never know what happen in life, the guy is young and can afford to let time heal his wounds instead of acting in such a dumb rushed way.

>>281278914
What else are you supposed to do in this situation? You're in grief. The person you loved basically disappeared without a trace and your family wants you to marry a type of person you don't want to, This woman you're somewhat familiar with has suddenly confessed she loves you and before you have any time to formulate a proper response or cope with your grief her sister's kicking your ass and the pressure to marry this girl that could be ignored prior to then basically becomes overwhelming. Not complying with the demands may result with something bad happening to him. His hands are tied. I can't really see how empathy would help here.

>>281278309
>a rough situation, since the company wouldn't really have a proper heir, giving his siblings a rougher life.
That's what Arthur is for, he's even got a better temperament for it.

>>281279187
This all comes back to his family telling him he has to be a good boy aristocrat RIGHT NOW. His own sisters saying he needed their permission to fall in love (this part pissed me off). Why exactly should he bother playing the game? They clearly put him last. It's malicious compliance. He's being exactly who they want, and only after getting it will they realize that he's right

>>281279235
You're right. Monica's the worst person here

I think William should've gone with Hakim on a trip to india to cool off and maybe find a cute brown loli maid for him.

>>281279235
Something like: "I'm too busy with my work to think about marriage right now" or "I cant reciprocate your feelings now, but let us know each other better and maybe things will change". It doesnt take a genius.

>>281279255
What if Arthur doesn’t want to be heir?

>>281279235
he could've just denied the crazy claim monica was making and leave it at that?

>>281279334
NTA but that's just kicking the can down the road. Why bother?

>>281279280
>This all comes back to his family telling him he has to be a good boy aristocrat RIGHT NOW.
This is not true, as this page (>>281275077) show. He's not rushed to marry her or whatever.

>>281279335
Then that is what Colin is for. That's the whole point of having multiples as a rich man, back up plans.

>>281279383
To not make Eleanor suffer by giving her false hopes.

>>281279411
what if both arthur and colin want to be heir?

>>281261060
That's honestly amazing. How much did it cost you? How long does it generally take you to finish a meter of cloth?

>>281279449
If they both want to, then the older gets it just like normal. If neither wants it then that's what your son in laws are for, marry a girl off to a talented second son from some family you can overshadow and make the in law take your daughter's family name. At that point you're also only letting people willing to accept the situation marry your daughter as well, which is the point of having the daughters in the first place.
You've gotta learn to think like a nobleman or you're going to be working class forever instead of sneaking from mercantile class to noble.

>>281274869
Hakim continues to be best boy.

>>281279407
>>281279435
That just loops us back to doing this to Eleanor now or some other girl later. There is no reason to bother waiting. Just get married now to appease your family and get it over with

>>281275004
What a broken man.

>>281274869
Heh, she may be a Countess but she's standing before a prince.

>>281275113
Thanks, anonsito.

>>281279435
>To not make Eleanor suffer by giving her false hopes
Telling her "Maybe later" is false hope. He loves Emma.

>>281279937
Kinda hot

>>281223559 (OP)
love sound

>>281279081
Ever heard the term "plenty of fish in the sea"?
William could have given himself time to forget Emma and find another girl he loves. But he rushed into a situation he doesn't like just because of his dumb plan. His dad was even fine with him not marrying.

Please don't be too hard on William. He lives in a society.

>>281283841
Them the rules.

>>281283782
>His dad was even fine with him not marrying.
Fuck him. Dad wanted to control who Will married and now he gets the results. Will owes nothing to his family. The moment he tried to do his own thing, they all threatened to cast him out

>>281249544
>older sister doting on younger sister since she saw her in the crib and calling her a little angle
That reminds me of something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2HN4gd66nM

>>281275035
>>281277032
I think Colin is doing the thing kids do where they don't know what's going on but copy the reactions of those around them

>>281275272
Another tragic, wounded figure.
And it looks exactly like the "angry, empowered woman" schtick, which is so popular in western media today.
Probably not a coincidence.

>>281276319
It wasn't even a "plan".
He resigned into his fate and acknowledged that he probably would snap in the future if everything went on like this.

>>281275067
Hakim has won big in life.
Rich.
No worries or family obligations whatsoever.
4 devoted girls around him who won't make a fuss - they don't even speak for that matter.

>>281275113
Doesn't she mean "with her big sister" in the top left panel?

>>281286970
On the other hand, even if he is nobility, many people from the British upper class will still see him as inferior to a Brit, no matter how polite they treat him. More like some exotic attraction.

>>281287715
>many people from the British upper class will still see him as inferior to a Brit
I think he's rich enough not to care

>>281235253
>>281246888
>>281265324
Imagine Eleanor somehow loses her status and gets taken in by William as a maid. She has to see Emma be the wife of the man she loves while she's only his mistress. Her love rival, formerly a lower class maid Eleanor never would've given a second thought to, attained the upper class status she once had while she's now a mere servant in the household, even losing her name which got shortened to Elle to represent her degraded status. The poor girl will try her best in her maidly duties, but she was raised as a soft, prissy upper class girl. She's not built to be a servant, so she'll constantly make mistakes and fail at basic tasks. The other maids resent her for her former status so they bully her and intentionally get her into even more trouble. This leads to the butler and the housekeeper frequently giving her vicious beatings to punish her. They'd spank her bare bottom in front of the other servants to humiliate her even further. It's only more embarrassing during the times the master of the house takes over the disciplinary duty and personally gives her a spanking. Yet shamefully she enjoys it because it's the only regular intimate moments she gets to have with her beloved William other than when he fucks her on the side. Maybe Emma sometimes sexually harasses her and even rapes her to assert dominance because she doesn't like the idea of her husband having a mistress. God that would be so hot.

>>281275004
You fucking retard, why would you
You JUST said you didn't love her
Delete this
Delete yourself right now

>>281288436
We definitely need an ecchi version of Emma.
Eleanor totally terrified of her new reality. The only person genuinely kind to her is Emma, the former maid and rival, now her mistress.
Eleanor feels shame, jealousy and envy around her, but is also thankful for the soft words and kind touches she occasionally gets.
Emma on the other hand is simply oblivious - she feels pity with this girl so cruelly degraded, but she also has her serve breakfast to her and William in bed, when the state of the bed sheets and their nightgowns makes it clear, that they had been fucking like rabbits only moments before.

>>281268285
Name-call all you want, but how else do you refer to a woman who allows men to plant their lips upon her visage? Such scandalous affairs will earn their titles properly.

>>281275004
Why did Mori create this cute character just to make her suffer?

>>281275272
She's also incredible arrogant. But I would disagree that she's portrayed only as a joke, her actions do end up with her being somewhat embarrassed, in a dark comedic way, but at the same time they're not wholly decried within the narrative and the 'feel' it gives to the reader. Her entire character isn't decried. I don't have any problem with strong women, or with seeing the sexes as equals in status, I like them and more power to them but if Monica was alive today she's absolutely be the kind of hyper arrogant, smug, militant feminist misandrist bluehair that looks down on everyone and everything not in line with her ideals.

I don't like William but seeing Monica barge in with complete disrespect for everyone and everything around her, slap Will twice before even knowing what's going on, the only backlash she faces being that her actions didn't achieve her goal of helping her sister, is highly aggravating. This sort of behavior is kind of hard to swallow for anyone who believes your ought to treat other people decently and not be an arrogant asshole. Barging in to private property and hitting someone first and asking what they did and what the situation was second? If I was William I'd have just punched the bitch in the face and then fucking stayed in the USA with Emma, written a letter of apology to the Molders and my mother and Grace & Colin(Arthur, Vivi and Father can go jump).

>>281285075
He didn't. The only thing his dad asked him was not to marry a maid. Which, in the historical context of the story, is a reasonable thing to ask.

>>281276184
>he'd be an absolute fool not to marry her right-ass now
No, haven't you ever read Victorian stuff? Men must be romantics and aspiring heros of high virtue and honour! If he's not in love with her he should subject neither himself nor her to a life-long lie, he ought to have never lead her on; at this point he can only apologize in full and do it immediately.

>>281290231
She slapped him?
I didn't see that....

William has a spare imouto why can’t they just trade?

>>281290576
Eleanor's actually a good girl

>>281275701
It makes more sense if you imagine Emma as a guy and William as a repressed gay who needs a beard.

>>281290891
Doesn't fit the setting, though. They were still castrating and beheading gays in Britain back then. If you were to adapt it to a setting 80 years later perhaps that conflict would capture some of the class gap they're dealing with that we don't have as much now,.

>>281275113
Thank you for posting.

>>281288436
>>281288995
w-woah...

>>281278914
He's also at the mercy of time and not knowing what's going on. When he proposed to Elanor he did it with full intention of marrying her, but the circumstances and situations around him and the two women in his life constantly evolve and outright change. Emma comes back, he knows where she is now and has contact, and he just can't help but go back to her because he loves her. He's basically swept up in a flood, he has no idea what or if anything will come next and can only try to react to things as they occur. The timing of it all was tragic.

So you have to look at how he reacts:
These are spoiliers if you haven't read ahead/read the whole mango before, btw.
- He would have been a decent, non abusive husband to Elanor. He probably would have never loved loved her and this would be a tragic marriage for both of them but probably not a lot worse than many other marriages of the time for people of their standing.
- His 'revenge plan' may or may not be something he constantly has in mind to act on, in the story it does not feel like he is USING Elanor for revenge it actually feels like he is just finally bowing to the pressure to conform but is bitter about it. What did it really consist of? It wasn't actually revenge, he resolved to conform and marry and live as an upper class/aristocratic man but be secretly contemptuous of it all and then at the end of his life inform people of that contempt by way of some as yet undefined, conceptualised, act of 'throwing it away'. This, if it had been done, may have been cruel to Elanor at the time it happened but it's all hypothetical. That whole speech to Hakim was more like him being angry, sad and feeling sorry for himself rather than forming a sole life mission, evil, mustache twirling plan.

>>281293809
Continued


- His biggest mistake was made before the situation really spiraled out of control; he should have rejected Elanor in advance before Emma ran away but when it was plain to him that he loved her and not Elanor. His failure to do this was probaly a combination of a few things: complacency and a sense that the situation wasn't yet out of hand, not fully grasping the determination the two families had to see them married, not knowing that he didn't have time with Emma to work on a resolution with his father or come to another arrangement like disinheriting himself or simply putting his foot down, as a legal adult man, with finality about it. At no point has he been malicious or purposely hurtful on his treatment of anyone, but he has fumbled.
- He shows resolve and indulgence at the same time in his taking up with Emma again after the party.
- After grasping what her situation was by visiting the Molders house he does in fact go in person to cancel the engagement. This is the expected thing to do and is the baseline for honest, decent conduct so he passes there. He fails to press the point home to completion, showing naivety and a lack of presence of mind perhaps. But he doesn't know he has been actively undermined by his father sending a letter to Viscount Shitcunt Campbell.
- He does act decently again in telling Elanor personally once it comes to light. No great points awarded here, he just meets the decency baseline. There wasn't anything he could really have done better by this point of the situation.

>>281293809
Continued. And spoiler tagged this time.

- His biggest mistake was made before the situation really spiraled out of control; he should have rejected Elanor in advance before Emma ran away but when it was plain to him that he loved her and not Elanor. His failure to do this was probably a combination of a few things: complacency and a sense that the situation wasn't yet out of hand, not fully grasping the determination the two families had to see them married, not knowing that he didn't have time with Emma to work on a resolution with his father or come to another arrangement like disinheriting himself or simply putting his foot down, as a legal adult man, with finality about it. At no point has he been malicious or purposely hurtful on his treatment of anyone, but he has fumbled.
- He shows resolve and indulgence at the same time in his taking up with Emma again after the party.
- After grasping what her situation was by visiting the Molders house he does in fact go in person to cancel the engagement. This is the expected thing to do and is the baseline for honest, decent conduct so he passes there. He fails to press the point home to completion, showing naivety and a lack of presence of mind perhaps. But he doesn't know he has been actively undermined by his father sending a letter to Viscount Shitcunt Campbell.
- He does act decently again in telling Elanor personally once it comes to light. No great points awarded here, he just meets the decency baseline. There wasn't anything he could really have done better by this point of the situation.

>>281293887
Continued


- When the situation degrades further and Viscount Campbell has Emma abducted and transported to America William does react quickly and does a thorough and competently executed investigation into what happened, leading him to finally travel across the Atlantic to find her. This is what you'd expect a man to do for his loved one, he doesn't fail here and really there's nothing he could have done better or more spectacularly. He couldn't have swooped in like a hero and saved her any sooner.

It should be remembered that he's in his early 20s and has lived a privileged life under a controlling father in a fairly rigid class system with engraved and excepted bigotry and arrogance. He is a liberal and moral enough person to not be swayed by this and to develop and retain critical and independent though and even express it and act on it by courting and publicly intending to marry Emma the working class maid. For someone his age he is fairly mature in terms of social skills and business work, especially if you're going to compare him to an IRL 21st century university age, or just older, young man.

>>281293912
Continued
He behaves with alternating and incompetence and competence to different and changing situations. but tries his best to be decent to people or at least to make amends in the most decent way he can after he fucks up. He doesn't show great foresight, or even presence of mind at times like Elanor being obvious about wanting to push their relationship towards formal engagement, but does generally do his best to treat people well and act honourably (excepting giving Elanor false hope early on in the courtship, and unwittingly might be used to describe this because he doesn't really have his wits about him when he's doing this. It's not a malicious act just a failure of him to grasp the fact that he needs to nip this in the bud to avoid hurting her. It's also possible, but hard to believe, that he doesn't know the true extend of Elanor's feelings for him as he says "I had no idea" and is not shown to be a liar at any time in the story. It would be somewhat contrived of him to be written really not noticing this as he seems to be socially competent and attentive enough to realise it. This is something of a moot point in the grand scheme of things because he is very aware that his father intends for them to be married and that their interactions are a formal courtship).

I think a lot of the hate he gets is an over-reaction to how much of a perfect tragic heroine Elanor is written to be. If you look at it objectively he certainly isn't an evil bastard or anything, just a normal non-exceptional -young- man trying to navigate a complicated and troublesome situation. He always does put his own happiness, and that of Emma's, above that of other peoples' and above what others believe to be his duties but I can hardly fault him for that. He's a pretty well written flawed character, quite human, not always likable when set in a story of fantasy romance.

>>281278918
Nobody approaches Mrs. Molders in either looks or character. She is in a class of her own.

Wonder what her daughter will grow up to be like.

>>281279081
>>281283782
I just want to add something that I think a lot of people are missing about william and his family's position. (I only spoilered this because I forgot if william's family business was mentioned already or not)
They are not considered upper class. They are actually looked down upon by the people who are rich through family inheritance like nobles. Monica is a duchess, meaning she is nobility, so she probably looks down on william and his family as just the "merchant class" who they consider fake nobles. But marrying eleanor would give their family the true title of nobility/royalty. The pressure from his father is not just to get married but to break through the class limit they've already reached.

>>281294146
You are a cultured gentleman.

>>281278914
You haven't met her father properly yet. She has to marry someone who isn't under his thumb.

>>281286740
She's not empowered by anything but her doormat husband's title. She's just a pushy bitch. She probably fucks a few maids herself then fires them.

>>281288436
Someone finally doing some proper doujinshi brainstorming.

>>281278081
Is it for the sake of appearances? To conform to the expectations of your role in society at the expense of your own desires and personality was considered morally correct in this time, and still is in conservative societies. William, in his own perspective, is giving up on his immature selfishness of wanting “love”. He’s like, fuck it, I’m not a child anymore, happiness is a fantasy, time to lie back and think of England and do my duty.

>>281279334
It takes someone who has emotional maturity and intelligence, and indeed a measure of wisdom.

When we are young, and foolish, lack insight on our own selves and in the grips of powerful emotions…those things can be very far away.

We’ve all made stupid mistakes that at the time seemed our best and only action. William’s behavior is obviously doomed, because we know he’s in a romance manga. WILLIAM doesn’t know he’s in a romance manga! He’s making bad decisions for understandable reasons. That’s why it’s tragic! Dramatic! Full of pathos! The Good Shit!

>>281294952
>She's not empowered by anything but her doormat husband's title
That's bot strictly true, her father is a low ranking actual nobleman and his family seems to still have considerable wealth (or perhaps they are just deep in debt, this might be why he approves of Elanor and Williams marriage because he certainly doesn't approve of 'upstarts')

She's a less thoughtful, less scheming version of her asshole malicious father with the same obnoxiousness and entitledness (her father displays these things more subtly but just as intensely).

>all this seething over a siscon acting erratically over her sister

Maids for buttlers
Young noblewomen for young noblemen

>>281296277
Maids for everyone!

>>281296277
There's a class divide between maids and butlers too.

>>281296630
Maids are free ya know you can just take them home

>>281296643
What? And who's maids marry when? Pages

>>281296750
Patience. Or look it up yourself. Or even just watch that documentary that Mori recommends.

>>281296878
>French maid
Wot

>>281296938

>>281290301
>Which, in the historical context of the story, is a reasonable thing to ask.
A marriage for political purposes is also reasonable in the historical context of the story. So why does Dad get a pass when William doesn't?

>>281296989
>Two common interpretations of the maid outfit: erotic and moe
fascinating

>>281297348
It always tickles me that Wikipedia has an official mascot drawn by someone who does loli porn

>>281297465
The wild hunt breaks in the face of a non-profit motive.

>>281297149
Why do you think dad got a pass?

>>281296989
>>281296938
>>281296878
>French Maid
So that might be the same thing as, or if different have a lot of cross over with, the lady's maid/lady's companion?

>>281298060
lady's companion is just a paid friend

>>281297149
>>281297950

1. Dad didn't seem to have any higher dynastic authority (aka a rich, controlling father) above him. He seems to be the genesis of the Jones' as a rich and upper class family. His own father was probably a minor merchant, by comparison, or perhaps not even that.
2. Dad married a noblewoman of some description, can't remember what her title was or if she had one. Social outcast though she was. Although he didn't marry her entirely for political/social reasons, they did and do like each other despite all the problems they've had.

>>281298147
He married the daughter of a doctor. She's also middle class with no title.

>>281297950
Because when I sided with Will during the argument, everyone called me wrong
>>281298147
Not reading that so I will assume you're totally agreeing with me

>>281298220
I took that to be one of those upper class/nobility doctors of the early to mid 1800s, like the ones who attended to nobility who wouldn't have had some pleb near them professional or not. Dunno, we never got that much info about it.

>>281298147
I don't want to spoil myself so I ain't reading that. I'll wait during the daily and see the details revealed throughout the story
>>281298249
I don't know the details of whatever argument you had but I don't see how's that related to William's dad telling his son to not do something while he did it himself.

>>281296878
>iklone
insane website

>>281298544
>I don't see how's that related to William's dad telling his son to not do something while he did it himself.
When Dad told Will not to marry for love but for status (because of his ancestors/descendants), everyone said Will was in the wrong and selfish. Now, Will is marrying not for love but for status, and everyone is still saying Will is wrong and selfish.
It's as if Dad gets a pass for saying his son has to do something shitty because of tradition while Will is crucified for doing something shitty because of tradition

>>281299082
I don't know about ancestors and traditions, but William is getting criticised for his motivations. He's being hasty and won't give Eleanor an actual chance to fall in love with her, he wants to follow his dumb revenge plan instead. Something I'm sure his dad would be against if he knew about it.
Dad only told him to not marry a maid. Everything else he's free to do. If he picked a path that makes everyone sad when other options are available then that's on him.

>>281299299
>Something I'm sure his dad would be against if he knew about it.
>he picked a path that makes everyone sad when other options are available
I mean, yeah, that's the point. I must be insane, because William's thought process makes perfect sense to me. He tried to live the life he wanted to, and his whole family turned on him for it. Now, he's living the life they want him to. But if he's going to be miserable, why should he bother making anyone else happy? If he can't marry the woman he loves, if he must attend stifling parties, if he has to be a model aristocrat, then he will. But why should he go about it in a way that makes the people putting him in that position feel good? They'll get what they asked for, and they'll feel like shit for it.

>>281299507
NTA, but he's going to hurt a completely innocent (and very cute) girl in the process, that's what make me mad about it anyway.

>>281299299
The fixation on the revenge plan is starting to piss me off, to be entirely honest, you guys seem to give it way too much importance and influence to his thought process when the only explicit influence it has had on him is... just been him doing the familial duties he's been neglecting? It's not even a coherent plan, it feels more like a cope to try to tie his new life back to emma somehow.
He didn't explicitly choose the worst path and rush everything for a 'revenge plan', his rushed marriage with eleanor is the result of a variety of pressures being applied onto him and him simply relenting over the lack of any better options considering the way CERTAIN events have tied his hands.
For the record, if we're to believe william, he literally said to eleanor that she wanted to know her better and give her a chance, and the place it landed him was getting his ass kicked by monica.

>>281299581
There are always civilian casualties in war

>>281299653
make love, not war. which in this case obviously mean william should fuck his dad.

>>281299707
>sudden yaoi
It's so crazy, it might just work

>>281294146
Is that Dorothea's name?
She's criminally hot.

>>281299507
Ultimately, William is going to be the biggest loser from this arrangement. He's making himself unhappy rather than making concession or trying to find a middle ground. His family's unhappiness stems from their love for him and seeing him sad, but I don't think he is malicious towards them with that. I think that's a venue of criticism, even if his motivations are understandable.
Besides, like the other anon said if he is going to hurt Eleanor for it then he's an asshole.
>>281299620
I mean, we have yet to see if he stays true to his word. And I'm reading along with everyone to see that. It's only natural to mention the plan because it's the major motivation behind his actions.

>>281299967
>Ultimately, William is going to be the biggest loser from this arrangement. He's making himself unhappy rather than making concession or trying to find a middle ground
All I can say is, crashing this plane with no survivors!
>His family's unhappiness stems from their love for him and seeing him sad
He was perfectly happy before, when he planned to marry Emma.
You can't burn bridges if you're afraid of being caught in the flames. Will's life was already over the day he had to become a fake plastic man. Now, he's bringing along everyone else

>>281300610
If you think being miserable for the rest of you life when happiness is a choice is a valid way to live then be my guest.

>>281300610
I don't even understand what you're trying to say anymore

>>281288436
Lots of women like the idea of discipline and being held accountable. Obviously not in the moment of something happening anyone wants to get away but afterwards it makes them feel good in the same way running a marathon is painful but you feel amazing in spite of your pain for the next serval days. Women like to have someone hold them to things and the physical punishments are perfect for this as they combine emotional and pain to make them feel like everyone else. Eleanor and Emma need people to be like a father figure to them as well as a husband it would be good for both their mind and bodies and lead to enjoyable scenes.

>>281300773
>>281300873
Like I said, I must be crazy. William's actions make perfect sense to me. His life is being decided for him by his family. Will is being given control over a wealthy estate that his family has spent generations building, but on the condition that he stops living the way he wants (Yes, Dad said he would give it anyway, but Will doesn't know that (maybe Dad should be more honest with his son instead of giving him ultimatums so we could avoid this)). Because it's so much money and responsibility, Will has accept. It's a struggle of being wealthy, which you can never really talk about without poorfags coming out of the woodworks to be butthurt. Either Will becomes somebody else, or his entire family will ostracize him.
William has no choice. He's being forced by familial obligation and social pressure to do what his Dad wants. Given that, why shouldn't he make everyone else as unhappy as he is? Why should he try to become part of higher society? Genuinely, why shouldn't he marry Eleanor? Because it'd make her unhappy? Take it up with Dad, he wanted this. Will is fucked no matter what he does, so he might as well bring everyone else along

>>281223559 (OP)
Chapter 26: Emma at Present

>>281301187
Hi OP

>>281301198
heyo

And that's it. Maids are cutest when they're clumsy.
Is Emma a beauty?

>>281301079
>Genuinely, why shouldn't he marry Eleanor? Because it'd make her unhappy?
yes

>>281301079
I mean, frankly that kind of thing happened all the time and usually ended worse. Life is complicated so I'm not faulting you.

>>281301390
Thanks OP
Yes

>>281301187
>it's a Tasha break something rerun

>>281301187
Worse than useless! Basically a ponko!

>>281301334
a man of culture

>>281301356
cute catamites

>>281301327
Gloomy girls are the best

>>281301390
She is very cute
Thanks as always OP!

Poor Tasha D:

>>281301390
yes, but moreso after she takes off her glasses

>>281301311
It's probably too early for that joke, but I wonder if his brother had any interest in painting?

>>281301390
Some say English got big balls, but French got biggest ones by far.

>>281301327
>>281301334
women really have no idea how to write men huh? lmao

>>281303595
I look like him and I speak like him

>>281302372
>It's probably too early for that joke
Not really. Hitler was born in 1888

Don't let all this talk about William (and Tasha) fucking up distract you from the fact that, going by his age range, Collin will be lying face down in the mud in the Somme in about 20 years.

>>281303625
I'm assuming that he enjoys too high a position for that sort of thing
Maybe he can be a rear-line officer

>>281301390
Thanks, OP. Yea

>>281303668
Officers (and higher classes) suffered a higher casualty rate than enlisted men due to stuff like laying down under fire being ungentlemanly and giving the troops a bad example. Collin is the third son of a merchant family and would probably be in Oxford or Cambridge qhwn the war starts. He would join with every other student at the same time when Kitchener ran his volunteer campaign. Ask Tolkien about that. Arthur would also join, since the white feather society would ridicule him on the street until he joins. By age and education probably would join as a major.

>>281290231
>bluehair
Nah.
Say whatever you want about her, but she has too much style for that.

>>281287908
He is rich as fuck, yes, but do you think it is pleasant for him when people keep reminding you that they see themselves as superior beings, and that, even if you are nobility, you can't even rule your own country as it's a British colony?

>>281303668
Pilot, maybe.

>>281301669

>>281294469
>>281298147
So they're like nouveau riche but not really since Monica referred to William as a member of the gentry?

>>281301390
Now that man is a catch. Germans best couple.

>>281301311
This caused me to read his family's wiki page and damn they were a mess

>>281301390
Thanks, anonsito.

>>281301218
HER!?

>>281305209
"Gentry" basically just means they're wealthy but not noble. They've also put a lot of effort into maintaining a certain social level but that would have been typical behaviour for the nouveau riche of the time, as well as even the professional class.

>MUH Elanor

>>281302469
Gayest post ITT

>>281303946
Officers (and higher classes) suffered a higher casualty rate than enlisted men due to stuff like laying down under fire being ungentlemanly and giving the troops a bad example.
Man, the first world war really was a complete fuck up of the old world being completely unprepared for the realities of mechanized warfare.

>>281301390
Herr Molders is an architect?

>>281275043
Tbh Emma has been through a lot worse.

>>281301390
Damn I thought that was a cool romantic line. Wtf are you supposed to say gentlemen?

>>281310106
It's romantic, if you don't get into specifics. Something closer to "You shouldn't worry so much. I'll love you whatever your waist size is" would work better. His phrasing comes across as architecture

>>281310106
>>281310219
Dont mention waist size at all. Trust me.

>>281299653
Not sure what that webm has to do with your post but that anime was a mess.

>>281310333
It reflected how I felt while writing that post

>>281310219
>>281310274
I'll keep that in mind for the imaginary future where I have a girlfriend.

>>281301669
Gloomy? But she looks so jolly!

>>281301390
Thanks OP
>Is Emma a beauty?
I think, this sums it up well.

>>281279511
Super late, but I actually got one for free because the woman I learned from happened to have a table loom around, and the other is a long-term loan from the same person. I'm looking at buying my own, but well...floor looms start at ~$2500 and go up.

I don't time myself (maybe I should, the first question anyone asks about crafting is always "how long does it take?") but for the most basic stuff, probably around 100 minutes for a meter, since it's about 20 min for 20 cm. But all of that can vary wildly depending on size of yarn, weaving structure, type of loom, type of shuttle, if there are any problems... Real production weavers are faster, but I'm a hobbyist so I don't worry about it too much.

>>281310984
Step 1: grow a mustache

>>281303625
That's the really tragic shit.
This era is going to end. Hard. Forever.

>>281301390
>if that is the kind of flattery you offer, my dear...spare me

i couldve sworn the version i read had her respond with "...but I would hate it"

>>281312687
You read the scanlation version then

>>281312212
But I already have a soft look.

>>281303595
This conversation is almost exactly the debate anons were having about how "beautiful" we should think Emma is.

>>281301334
At first I thought they were joking about him being gay for Hans, but in practice it's probably about Adele, since she's also a somewhat "subdued" beauty and Hans and her end up at least passionately kissing in the end.

>>281310106
She's not as mad as most women are when they say that. We'll see it more clearly later on, but they're close enough to have real banter with each other. He'll say something much "worse" and get nothing more than a wry eyebrow raise in response.

>>281313766
I'm the one who started that debate, and I guess she was plain all along? I mean, she's plainly called plain in this chapter. But, IIRC, everyone in London thought she was a striking beauty
Whatever, man, I give up

>>281313845
She was called plain by a child then derided by everyone else. She's beautiful but isn't flashy.

>>281309245
That wasn't exclusive to the 1. World war though. For example, the Roman losses against the Gauls were in some battles up to 20% centurios who led charges to give an example to their men.

>>281314348
I guess it's happening again with the new drone meta.

>>281313789
No, it's about Emma. There's a quick "poor Hans" reaction panel after Emma hugs William, that implies he had a thing for her.

>>281301327
>someone using the word cute
>in Victorian era England

>>281301187
>>281301203
So Tasha is the cute, clumsy maid type

>>281301356
Shotas!

>>281311831

>>281300773
>when happiness is a choice
You're selling books or you haven't thought this through.

>>281315509
Tasha is a clumsy country bumpkin. The other type of country bumpkin being the 'farm smart' high functioning kind.

Poor Tasha.

>>281317086
Haven't read a book in a long time. I'm more into audiobooks nowadays.

>>281225811
Marrying her is like abandoning his family, and that's tragic in and of itself.

>>281275004
This is Monica's fault.

>>281275113
Fuckin Hakim can't read a room.

>>281275701
He's gonna marry her for real, but love wasn't always a factor in marriage back then

>>281276233
>secret plan to play along until he meets emma again
That was not his plan at all

>>281291525
which is why he needs a beard, silly

>>281278081
Grow up.

>>281279435
That's literally just giving her false hopes, though

>>281288436
I got a boner.

>>281301187
making tasha yelp

See you all in the next thread and sexo with cute maids!

>>281318123
He probably should have essentially cut ties to his family excepting Colin and his mother, Grace as well if she comes off her period about Elanor and marrying a maid. Arthur is a total cold asshole and muh education faggot, Vivi is going to be a spoiled brat of a Lady all her life and his dad sold his soul.

The best thing he could do is GTFO London (full of Southern poofs), go up to Yorkshire with Emma and start a trading business in Liverpool or Leeds or something, buy a modest upper middle-class house in the countryside and visit his mother and the Molders and generally not worry about gay as fuck London society.