Thread 281440257

why is everyone an emotionless zombie in frieren

>>281440257 (OP)
t.

>>281440257 (OP)
>has an emotional moment in the first episode
everyone is just cool as fuck. no one likes a crybaby.

>>281440257 (OP)
they aren't, the depth of emotion in this series is one of its selling points and why fags like you still think about it daily

>>281440501
happy sex with the happy elf

>>281440257 (OP)
Frieren is not your typical shonen, Frieren is realistic. See pic related. This is how real people react when they are violently hurt.

>>281440257 (OP)
>When you realize Himmel the hero ate your asshole for 7 hours because he loved you

>>281440257 (OP)

>Frieren
Elves are autistic.

>Fern
Fern is autistic.

>>281440257 (OP)
>people are finally realizing that Frieren was mediocre
I'm so glad

>>281440257 (OP)
Only the mages are and you have to be autistic to be a mage

>>281440257 (OP)
Happy zombie on her way to eat more brains!

>>281440664
So the entire cast is mage?

>>281440598
I wonder what's worse, the possibility that you did not watch this scene or that you got filtered by it?

>>281440664
>Only the mages are
they aren't, stop accepting bait premises

>>281440257 (OP)
I dunno.
It is weird though
Makes Frieren seem a lot less special when everyone is just as disinterested as her.
Maybe the mangaka is making a statement on life (and people in general) becoming boring once the Demon King is defeated and the world is saved?
Or maybe the mangaka just struggles with human emotion. Maybe check out their previous manga to compare, if there are any.

>>281440598
>Stark get destroyed in his fight with Linie
>walking around the next day no big deal
this show has a problem with power scaling

>>281440257 (OP)
Because it's an anime for dumb redditors

If the Frieren caught the Empire employing Demons, what would she do? Just shrug and go "eh whatever humans be humans ‘n sheeit"?

>>281440737
The worst is trying to defend this shitty ass scene.

>>281440257 (OP)
>if the character isn't emoting like a 8 year old ugu~ child I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON!

People behave in a more realistic and down to earth manner. Anime and manga tend to have wildly exaggerated and cartoony characters who chew scenery and emote like they're in soap opera as a matter of course.

>>281440795
>Or maybe the mangaka just struggles with human emotion.
The anime at least has color, movement, and sound. In the manga the characters look like stone statues.

>>281440257 (OP)
mages are constantly trying to focus so they see a bit more deadened emotionally, elves naturally so in order to cope with their extensive lifespans; you could even argue that fern is the way she is because frieren mostly raised her. you see more emotion from warriors like stark and even kraft

>>281440795
yeah VERY weird, I too actually watched this and believe this to be true!

>>281440963
I fucking hate this argument. It's as if Frierenfags only know two titles: One Piece and Frieren. Haven't you ever read Solanin, Sanctuary, Vagabond or The Walking Man? Human emotions can be expressed in many ways. The problem with Frieren is that the show chose the laziest one.

>>281440702
Uh, is she happy here? I simply cannot tell, why does nobody have any emotions in this?

>>281441236
>Human emotions can be expressed in many ways
so why can't you recognize them in Frieren?

>>281440257 (OP)
Safe horny

>>281441322
I recognize them >>281441236
>The problem with Frieren is that the show chose the laziest one.

>>281441098
how wet was she here
i kike to imagine its running down her thighs

>>281441561
>The problem with Frieren is that the show chose the laziest one.
how so

>>281441636
What are you talking about anon? She's clearly disinterested just like all the other characters constantly are.

>>281440257 (OP)
Just watched the first 3 episodes, its nice so far
Instead of exaggerated emotions its subtle, of course Fieren is autistic but its nice.

>>281440795
their previous manga is literally a sci fi comedy about the end of the world and a robot, very different than freiren, its almost like some one else wrote it,

nothing similar at all, alot more like yokohama robot girl anime mixed with heavenly delusion,


i feel like the author plagarized everything from the book "blindsight" specially with the whole demon concept, as well as the "visualize" magic thing and how ubel is basically like not even thinking, just straight up non consciously learning stuff with magic etc, they quoted a line directly from peter watts

>>281440257 (OP)
Did you get filtered because the MC isn't a loud boy that yells a lot?

>>281440501
>teenagers think being mopey is 'depth of emotion'

>>281440257 (OP)
Aura had lots of emotions.

>>281441753
I don't believe these people actually watched it at all, why would a person who did choose this angle when the very first episode is famous for the scene of her crying? It's pure ragebait, it has to be.

>>281441639
Frieren is a show full of fantastical and deadly situations but most of the time the facial expressions don't do it justice. The characters seem to be dealing with everyday, ordinary situations instead. And considering that indifference is the MC's main characteristic, the contrast between her and the world is lost.

>>281440257 (OP)
There are exceptions, but most of the time the characters have facial expression amplitude of a rock.
When it's anyone but Frieren it's very jarring.
Sameface really doesn't help.
Not sure why some people deny it, must be crippling autism.
>>281440598
kek, that's a good one.

>>281440257 (OP)
there not emotionless its just that the main crew(not frierens old one) are just akward the party of heros are really vibrant its just the main party that is a bit cold, still its not lack of emotion its just them being weirdos :3

>>281440257 (OP)
Why would they make the two main characters kuuderes
Also it’s very sexless. SSRI anime

>>281442093
This is literally just wrong. I don't know if you are blind or just didn't watch it, but everything you said is incorrect. The characters emote plenty and appropriately, but it seems like you people will not be satisfied unless veteran warriors start screaming and crying every 5 seconds?

>indifference is the MC's main characteristic
Overcoming her past indifference is the entire point of the story, it's almost the opposite of her main characteristic.

>>281442240
>kek, that's a good one.
That frame immediately follows her yelling in surprise, grimacing in pain and dodging most of an attack. She is actively trying to control her emotions to distract the demon she is face to face with and in preparation for a dangerous fight, you retard.

>>281440257 (OP)
frieren stinks but people didn't want to say anything out of respect

BTW, why is Frieren constantly searching for grimoires by Flamme? Wouldn’t she have the full set from Flamme while Flamme was alive to give them to her? Were there a bunch written before Frieren was brought on and which Flamme lost track of? Because I don’t understand why Frieren is acting like a historian of ancient history and not like someone who was there.

>>281442380
>The characters emote plenty and appropriately
You and I both know that's not true
>but it seems like you people will not be satisfied unless veteran warriors start screaming and crying every 5 seconds?
You mean that thing that happens all the time in real life?

>>281442507
Except I remember actually watching this scene and she was stone cold most of it, no strain of pain or heavy breathing, nothing.
I guess this teenage girl that never seen real combat or serious injuries just had superhuman ability to ignore pain when getting skewered.
Try again

>>281442692
Huh, that’s weird. Did Flamme reject tutelage by Serie citing the joy of searching for magic? Did Flamme tell Frieren to go out on her own and learn the joy of searching for magic?

Doesn't the fact that you can literally walk to the afterlife and say hi to your friends really undercut the whole "O woe is me, I'm immortal and will outlive everyone" premise?

>>281442678
>You mean that thing that happens all the time in real life?
Magical war orphans who exterminate monsters daily scream and cry constantly in real life?

>>281440257 (OP)
emotionless kuudere type characters are easier to AI generate.

I like how calm it is

>>281442736
I yeah I remember that. I figured she was vastly superior because of course she is being the once if a millennia ultra genius (random orphan) BUT even getting stabbed in a suprise attack didn’t seem to effect her mentality that much as if she were hardened combat vetren who’s faced countless life-and-death struggles on the frontline of the demon war and not a teenage girl who was training by shooting a boulder. You could pass off her attitude vs Qual as being with Frieren and having confidence in her superiority, but in this fight Frieren was somewhere else and she had just eaten a suprise attack.

>>281440257 (OP)
This is a lot better than the exaggerated slop most characters do to act out their emotions in anime. I watched Steins;Gate and the chuuni bullshit the characters do to demonstrate "emotion" was annoying as fuck.

>>281442736
>>281442964
>teenage girl
The dishonest framing is hilarious. Fern is a war orphan trained since childhood by the most famous living war mage, her entire life has been a preparation for battle, but yeah I guess she should be crying and having a meltdown like any other "teenage girl" from some high school romcom, because hey they're both "teenage girls" and it would be really helpful for her to lose her shit in that moment.
Fern maintaining her composure after years of training for exactly that response really proves that every character in this series is an emotionless zombie.

>>281440598
I watched it again and it's just Jojo's Talking is a Free Action principle. In Jojo, characters will talk while underwater iirc and this is important for exposition. A similar thing is going on here, the characters are conversing and use their Talking Action, you can't cry in pain while doing that, yknow. The durability displayed comes with being anime characters, in that sense it's typical shonen but not that typical since no one goes "JOJOOOO".

>>281442640
>why is Frieren constantly searching for grimoires by Flamme?

Because she knows they aren't real. But even if they're not real, they're bound to have some interesting stuff in them, spells she doesn't know yet.

>>281442640
She likes to see the different perspectives and takes of amateur grimoire writers over the ages.

>people in Frieren
>:|
>demons in Frieren
>:) o_o :O Y_Y D:
Who are the real monsters?

>>281443417
Basically, it's about stoic millennial chads vs performative "authentic" zoomoid npcs.

>>281443215
I love her little boots

>>281443215
>everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
It's cute that she can cast spells and all, but nothing replaces experience.
If it was a grown man with extensive record of getting his shit beaten out of him it would still be surprising if he didn't grimace and pant all the way through
At least convey something like tensed jaw, narrowed eyes a bead of sweat maybe, tense voice
Not deadpan fucking doll

>>281443215
Oh fuck off, she mogs the greatest talent trained by an immortal god of magic, learning a skill that takes a hundred years of training in the space of a few years. Where are all the other legendary genius war orphans? A grown man should be panicking in that situation, at least to some degree, before pulling himself together. Is mental state control a power awakened by infants who’ve had their parents killed in a war? Listen to yourself it’s embarrassing.

>>281440257 (OP)
It's for zoomers. It's like the zoomer stare. They don't know how to interact with people and are extremely self-conscious. They are afraid to react to anything because they are afraid of how they will be seen by others. So they just don't do anything and stare blankly.

>>281440257 (OP)
kuudere manga

>>281440257 (OP)
its a bad show for tasteless plebs

>>281440257 (OP)
its a masterpiece for cultured people

i love this show

>>281443744
It could be but it really wants to be a battle shounen

>>281440257 (OP)
It's not for the tasteless boomer normie who feels like they have to overreact to anything to "show emotion". You see those people talk about their youtube zoomer reaction videos. It's all a bunch of plebeians trying to show clout by screaming, no different from the thinking of an ape. In a way it's a form of sophistry. They lash at things they deem different while pretending to be humane for all this aggressive behavior.

>>281440257 (OP)
Absolutely insane how effectively Frieren filters midwits.

Frieren is emotionally stunted.
She watched her village get slaughtered, lived with a mortal for a few decades and watched her die, then lived alone in the woods for a few hundred years.

Fern was raised by Frieren.

>>281440257 (OP)
This is not konosuba faggot go search a moekyun show then.

female author. women do not have emotions so they can't write them well in a story. read the manipulated man by esther vilar. everything that women do is boring because they have no capacity for creativity its just a dumb attempt at a anime when she should of just stayed in the kitchen and made ramen for men.

>>281442759
Flamme liked spells that werent combat related, like her flower field. Serie is a schizo obsessed with fighting who keeps a lid on that most of the time. It's not explicitly mentioned but I think it was implied that they became distant as a result.

>>281443562
>she mogs the greatest talent trained by an immortal god of magic
Serie is entirely focused on potential and how well she can mold it into something that kills demons.
He's hit his ceiling. He's never getting better. In the blink of an eye for her he'll be dead and have accomplished nothing of note.

i never watched it and that makes me better than (You).

>>281443761
good taste

>>281446152
>women do not have emotions

>>281440257 (OP)
They are German stereotypes and it is the author's fetish.

>>281440257 (OP)
why is this anime boring

>>281442774
we don't know if heaven is real yet.

>>281443215
ya I agree with this anon. even when you first met her she’s training. also she only knows one single magical attack. why wouldn’t she be amazing at it.

>>281450175
boring is how those of low iq perceive comfy

>>281450182
yaa i agree there’s just no way. this series is too melancholy for real heaven. im betting its just like a projection of the past or nothing at all. we already had monsters that look like people so it can’t be that again

>>281441706
That's a connection I never made.
>quoted a line directly from peter watts
Which one?

>>281450182
Uhhh, Flamme literally said she found it, talked with her old friends, and wrote it all down in her books.

She doesn't strike me as the LMAO TROLLED type

>>281450182
The premise being a lie to get Frieren to go on an adventure would be such a shit reveal, but then again, the premise being real would also be a pretty shit reveal... the author best move is to never let this series end.

>>281440257 (OP)
>why is everyone an emotionless zombie in frieren
They're not, you haven't watched it. Most of the story is about characters learning and dealing with emotions, even the side characters and episodic stories they often tell.
The main plot is entirely driven by the emotions of the main character and is the throughline of the entire thing

>>281440257 (OP)
Right?? not even 1 skibidi or POG reactions

>>281450315
it's not about her magical attacks, but the ability to be perfectly composed when getting stabbed

>>281442640
She's searching for grimoires, period. And literally none of them were written by Flamme except the one back in Flamme's old house she never bothered to go look for until her old friend made her. Good job outing yourself as never even seeing the show.

>>281442964
It's a major plot point that Frieren makes Fern fight monsters all the fucking time and Fern doesn't enjoy it. We just don't see it much because it's not the point of the story. It's literally talked about in that same fucking scene you're complaining about. Why are you pretending like you've seen the show when you clearly haven't?

>>281440598
>Gets filtered by Fern of all characters
Lmao

>>281440257 (OP)
Your knowledge of Frieren (the character) comes entirely from memes.

>>281450696
the complaint is probably about characters holding the same pokerface most of the time, sometimes even at the strangest circumstances.

>>281440963
That is why Snek is best, her ridiculous, exaggerated expressions are easy to interpret, even for autists like myself.

>>281440257 (OP)
>Anon loses his mind when characters in an anime don’t scream “NANI?” or “KYAAAA!”

>>281440257 (OP)
Just finished the show and I love how everyone is so melancholic and introspective. They emote quite often, however I would argue that the reason everyone comes off as autistic so often is not facial expressions, but body language. When they're outside of combat they seldom do anything that isn't standing or sitting straight. It's rare to see big movements like jumping with excitment, clapping, hugging, etc. That's also why Serie stands out so much: she often slouches, bends over, gazes at things, plays with her feet and actually interacts with her surroundings in a believable way.

I say this not as a critique, but as an observation, the fact that everyhthing is so calm is really a huge plus for me.

>>281440257 (OP)
This scene is from a boring (especially to her) human ceremony she has no interest in, for short-term political reasons she doesn't need to care about and will be forgotten in the blink of an eye for her, by somebody she doesn't even like. She's just standing there thinking about what she'll eat later.

>>281451414
Mana control is easier when they're not moving.

I just caught up with the manga yesterday, and I have one question, where the fuck is this story going? I see no goal except showing off humanity’s magic has surpassed the elves.

>>281451329
>>281451409
how about we just stick somewhere between these absurd extremes
>>281451550
the writer needs to eat, please understand

>>281440257 (OP)
Is explained in volume 2, channeling mana in the most effective way causes you to make that face

>>281451550
>where the fuck is this story going?
Emulating Hunter x Hunter

Story about Gon going to find his dad/Frieren going to see Himmel but there are a bunch of loosely connected arcs along the way the characters have to engage with (to pad it out as much as possible) framed as the story not really being about the destination but leAdventure on the way

>>281440257 (OP)
>ywn see Frieren angrily say "KISAMA"

>>281440257 (OP)
Poor writing.

>>281451617
But she saw him already when she travelled in time, and didn’t say shit.

>>281451802
Well firstly, she couldn't really say anything because of the whole risk of changing the future thing
But mostly, that's not who she wants to talk to. She wants to speak to the Himmel she ghosted for 50 years and the one she learnt spent every single day of the rest of his life thinking about her and wondering if she will ever come and see him again

If they ever do make it to the afterlife portal, I hope the mangaka doesn’t cower out and shows Himmel as he was at the time of his death, a shriveled old man and not the attractive tall and strong young Himmel that Frieren fell for. Of course, more likely than not the mangaka will conform to Japanese moral law and make it so that the dead are wholly outside the realm of interaction with the living and Frieren will have to make due with an apparition which might be ust her imagination — in which case she’ll get her ideal spry and cool Himmel.

>>281440257 (OP)
Because we see the show from Frieren's POV and she's bad reading emotions

The show that finally broke /a/utists

>>281444354
And the rest of characters who have stonefaces are as fucked, which makes the moments when they finally show emotion stand out in contrast to their broken demeanor. Shrimple as.

>>281451030
>better to sperg out here and die i guess
>reacts the desensitized war orphan trained by the legendary desensitized war mage
Stunted emotional development due to a dissociation disorder niggas, how do we respond?

>>281452151
True. Literally everyone is an orphan.

You were raised by YouTube

>>281440257 (OP)
Absolute nonsense.
The cast of Frieren has very diverse personalities like "bored" "smug", "bored smug" and "Stark" who gets written out of the second half of the show.

>>281451550
Unfortunately there's no overall goal. The author makes it up as he goes. One has to wonder why it keeps shifting genres, from character driven drama, to cgdct/slice of life, shonenshit, time-travel, political intrigue.

>>281440257 (OP)
Less offensive and making the characters more relatable to people that are new to anime.

>>281451550
Dude, did you miss the part where the author is just making shit up as it goes? The constant hiatuses is for gathering ideas to extend this shit.

>>281452185
holy word salad
maybe try repeating that but slower?

>>281452523
>One has to wonder why it keeps shifting genres
To try and stop it feeling too stale, you can tell the travelling from town to town and remembering Himmel thing had already ran it's course. Now it's just most moving between plot heavy arcs where there are loads of setup and then some action centric conclusion.

Golden Lands arc did this best, it's a typical villain centric battle shonen in the end but also had an actual story to tell alongside the dbz tier fight Frieren gets into

Not sure about the current arc desu, seems a bit of an unclear mess wtf he's really going for with it all. Maybe he'll bring it all together at the end, the endings of arcs are usually pretty strong

My friend told me Fern turns into a catgirl in Season 2, is this true?

Dropped this when it became Harry Potter with even more paper-thin characters. Yet another example of a solid premise being let down by its Japanese author's inability to write himself out of a paper bag.

>>281453001
Won't be in s2 but she does wear some cat ears headband later on

>>281452711
>zero points made

lmao

>>281440963
It's a legit problem in Frieren, retard. It's not just /a/ it brought up everywhere else. kys.

>>281453370
I've never seen anyone say this except on /a/.

>>281453370
>NOOO WHY ARENT THEY DOING LESILLY FACE LIKE ON THE DANADADADADAN HOW AM I MEANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE THINKING AND FEELING. IS THERE NOT EVEN A CLAXON NOISE TO TELL ME WHEN TO REACT TO SOMETHING. FLASHING LIGHTS AT LEAST? NO?? WTF

Is it true that autists don't understand subtle emotions so it makes them uncomfortable if the MC isn't screaming, crying and throwing up every 10 seconds?

>>281440257 (OP)
frieren characters only emote in comedic situations
they could have all their limbs ripped off while fighting something to the death and they would still look like they were waiting for an elevator
also pain doesn't seem to exist either, you're either dead or you aren't

>>281453488
Apparently so.

>>281453350
I explained my point here >>281442240, here >>281442736 and here >>281443486 and received no real retorts.
Meditate at the last one especially and come back.

>>281440963
>>281453417
>>281453488
Reduction ad absurdum + strawman + you're faggot

>>281453572
Heh. Kill yourself.

>>281453620
your concession is accepted. glad you've seen the light

>>281453572
The only explanation is that you're just severely autistic. Next you will be telling us that reading books and listening to audio dramas are inherently without emotion because your cannot see the characters faces flapping around every time something happens.
The reason you never see this line of criticism anywhere but /a/ is because everyone else realises that there is no way to develop the argument except by making yourself look like an emotionally inept retard

>>281453572
>Still zero points

lmao

>>281453627
You're obviously retarded, there's no point in dismantling your retarded schizobabble 'arguments'.

>>281453672
>your cannot see the characters faces flapping around
again with the caricature. Most Frieren characters emote much less than actual human beings.
In a blatant, lazy way and the fact that faces look very similar really rubs this in.
I gave you an example when this was particularly jarring, and you or some other dimwit clapped back with "well you see she's an orphan and was trained by frieren and stuff.."
Wow. 10/10 argument.
>>281453681
I explained my stance in detail.
I was actually prepared to continue dumbing it down and respond to arguments, if only any of you retards had any
>>281453681
you can't just say "no u" when anyone can read the chain of replies and see how it went
>>281453688
one concession was plenty, but thanks for your patronage.

>>281440257 (OP)
Frieren is a Tolkien elf.
They're all like this. She's Galadriel.

>>281453832
All the characters are more emotional than humans in real life. You're just unable to discern it because you're autistic.

>>281453832
>STILL no points

Lmao

>>281453852
>They're all like this.
No, not really.

>>281453832
>you can't just say "no u"
Yes we can
Frieren is peak cinema, cope

is this anime for people with autism? It was so boring.

>>281453872
real life humans say stuff like "UGGHHHH" and "AGHHHH' and groan and gnash their teeth when getting a sharp object penetrate their insides.
and it's not like that scene is an outlier or something, every character not named Stark carries himself with the same air of detachment.
Totally like in real life, yes?
>>281453891
did something short-circuit in your brain or that's your stress response when getting humiliated on the internet?
>>281453916
not an argument.
also consider than you can simply choose to not die on every hill and say things like "X wasn't handled well, but Y is the reason why this anime is cinema"

Who's more autistic, frierenschizos or MTschizos?
Inb4 (You)

>>281453987
>ZERO points
>Still

Lmao

based illiterate mindbroken parrot poster

>>281446152
>female author.
chat is this true?

>>281443215
>I guess she should be crying and having a meltdown like any other "teenage girl" from some high school romcom
Nope but she should have shown some kind of reaction, look at this scene Goku got punched and he let out a little scream and that's realistic enough.
They're human not robot, they should react to pain

ShonenKINGS own this board

>>281454548
>Dragon scrotum
>That filename
How brown?

>muh middle ground
Name ONE fantasy show from the last ten years that didn't have screaming melodramatic "characters".

>>281453832
>Yes I do in fact have crippling levels of autism
Well I never

>>281454613
>fantasy show
Breaking Bad

>>281454387
No, the writer is male. The illustrator is female though

>>281454667
>No, the writer is male.
His testosterone levels are in negative.

>>281454649
>BURG!!!! NOOOOO!!!! SHE KNOWS TAILORING!!!! BUUUURGGGGG!!!!!

>>281454687
He's just a guy that likes kuudere waifus
His last manga was about a lonely professor and a young robot girl

>>281454845
And this is his drawing too

oh boy the director is going to HATE season 3 then

>>281454690
Kek

>>281441706
How does it fit in with Blindsight? Are you talking about Blindsight's vampires vack of empathy vs demons lack of empathy?
I don't see Ubel as unconsciously doing magic, didn't she point out she thinks of the sound of scissors cutting fabric for her cutting spell for example? I took it as magic as a science vs magic as a art.

>>281442160
Me on the left

>>281454641
who are u quoting

>>281455613
the whole thing where land even wonders if ubel "knows magic" in the first place, also they literally talked about the dolphins and sharks directly related to the vampires and humans in blindsight, with the macht arcs and a few other quotes from the book.

Total Elf Love

>>281450334
based

>>281440257 (OP)
Frieren is full of emotions! Like anal sex!

>day 1 of manga : manga artist cant draw facial expressions, trees that arent traced from a photograph, buildings that arent textureless boxes made out of straight lines, period appropriate clothing or architecture, combat scenes/movement, etc.

>day 30000 since manga release on /a/ : why does anime adapting that manga authors work lack facial expressions?

Are we living in the bad timeline or something

>>281440257 (OP)
Because every single person in this show is an intellectual autist. Expcept for joke characters like Kanne or Stark.

>>281457397
why is every accusation a confession from you people

>>281457553
not an argument

>>281440833
Frieren's classes operate with JRPG logic. Fighters are capable of slashing through rocks, falling great distances and healing quickly.

It's also why priests are the only ones who can cast powerful healing magic. There's an in world explanation but it's obviously a cop-out to justify the priest class in a world where mages can do anything

>You just [strawman]
Why do freiren fags argue like 8 year olds? I thought this series was for 80 year old mature scholars?

guys help, I don't understand what stark is trying to convey here, this damn mangaka needs to give us something to work with

>>281440501
>shonen battle tournament is le deep

>>281440257 (OP)
They're german.

>>281440702
>>281441254
>>281440782
>>281441322
This looks so generic.

>>281458125
>moeblob
Ugghh

>>281440257 (OP)
It's just like what Anno said where anime makers these days have no experience talking to other people that's why everyone on chinese cartoons these days are bland unlike the smart animess of my generation.

this thread is the ultimate proof that everyone on /a/ is autistic

>>281457397
That's not even the issue though, some characters can just stay cool during fights, especially when it's advantageous to do so and they've been trained to act that way. Even the most autistic ones like Frieren and Fern emote all the time, but not when they're in the middle of fighting because they've drilled or actually fought for years to keep their composure for that exact moment.
Fern is visibly excited when dancing with a boy, surprised when Frieren wakes up early and easily annoyed when someone is acting retarded in front of her. Frieren gets downright giddy over rare books and potions and flustered when dealing with other people. There's a dozen examples in this thread alone and far more in the series and the manga.

The only problem here is trolls and shounentards who require constant goofy faces during fights even if a character should be prepared and controlled enough to suppress that. If Fern isn't bawling like a baby when she needs to deal with a demon, that's unrealistic because uhhhh she's just a little baby teenage girl or something. Make sure to ignore how Fern DID freeze up in shock and visibly emoted at the monster/ghost of Heiter though, because that would be really bad for the argument.

>>281458248
>any fighting is always le shallow and dumb

>>281458288
>mass replyer who admits he has not seen the series and is judging it based on pictures being specifically chosen to prove a point about emoting rather than showcase any unique aspects of the series
extremely valuable opinion alert

>>281458726
you can't suppress a natural reaction to getting hit like this >>281440598

>>281458981
Why don't you try ACTUALLY WATCHING the scene? If you rewind to when she gets actually gets hit, you can see she is flailing while sharply gasping for air and her mouth is hanging open as she gets pinned. The screenshot of her after she's already been hit and is now dealing with Lugner is not her reaction to getting hit, but again you would need to have watched it to know that.

>>281454548
>>281459544

>>281459544
>5’3 dainty woman with enough upper body strength to effortlessly swing around a giant weapon
holy shit. now I’m definitely not watching wokerein

>>281440257 (OP)
i just wish the author didn't introduce kryptonite in the manga, kinda ruins the whole thing for me

>>281441254
hehe, the ai forgets that she is holding something

>>281451874
bothers me that the author makes the Hero die without leaving at least 10 children behind

This manga would be completely lost if everyone in their world wasn’t kuudere. It would be so indistinctive it would’ve been thrown away into the pile of dime a dozen fantasy works and dead under 19 chapters.

>>281460522
>the ai forgets that she is holding something
She dropped it in surprise, ironically another aspect of emoting beyond the facial cues that the premise of this thread is about. You can actually hear it thud on the ground, but unfortunately this requires you to watch the series, which is clearly too much to ask of anyone discussing it on a forum.

>>281458288
It is.

>>281446378
Explain why Serie couldn’t off Macht right then and there, but without sounding mad

>>281460816
so much so that it's still living rent free in your brain

>>281460849
Nothing like the chance to troll him a century or two down the line, assuming it manifests.
Flamme is entirely correct about what the demon's gauge behavior is, and why its dangerous to feed it.

>>281460017
>woman
Demons are not human beings.

>>281460777
it was a joke anon.
also checked.

>>281460849
He students interfered before she could finish toying with him and she got bored.

>>281441098
Literally the very next scene she loses all interest and becomes a blank character again. Besides being kinda pretty, Fern is an insanely boring character

>>281442004
Would you believe me if I told you that was the most emotion this character showed for literally the entire show

>>281441636
>i kike

>>281458726
holy cope
it's as if you read none of the replies made to you
and again with the reduction to absurdity.
maybe at least learn another rhetorical tool?

>>281459544
>here's a 3.5 frames where Fern emotes in response to getting stabbed, therefore her being placid like she just smoked a joint one too many times the rest of the time when she is pinned to the wall makes perfect sense. your point doesn't count now.

>>281461239
>being a sobbing wreck at the death of her closest companion is the most emotion this normally reserved character shows
Yes, yes I would believe that.

>>281461554
>here's the context, now your dishonest point doesn't make sense
yes

>>281461664
yeah this seems pretty believable

>>281440598
Demon guy should have been pumping his juices into her right there into her gaping hole. His juice tube is right there already penetrating her! If she tries to get uppity, just explode inside her.

>>281461742
>>281443486

>>281458726
People here also forget things like them not being regular humans from our world, they are much more powerful and durable than we are and this is shown over and over again. Pain reactions are subdued across all characters as a matter of course.
Also it is clear that the culture in the world of Frieren clearly values being reserved over being emotional which many real life cultures do as well. Most of the cries about "emotionless characters" comes from a resting calm calm face. I wonder if that is a deep ingrained response as a result of them living in a world where (not)humans try and take advantage of their emotions.

>>281461942
She's a fucking fictional, drawn and animated character. Why do you keep trying to make appeals to real life as if that's magically going to refute the criticism of Frieren?

>>281440257 (OP)
On the one hand I think it's odd that everyone in Frieren is a quiet autist
On the other hand quiet autistic women are my bread and butter and my favorite personality type in women, so it gets a pass

>>281461942
all that desperate, elaborate cope instead of saying something like "yeah, i guess Frieren is a little bit weird like that, maybe some kind of artist skill issue not fully fixed in the adaptation, but this anime has other strengths that I think plenty compensate for the flaws"

>>281461924
your incredulousness and ignorance of her experiences is not an argument, we've gone from
>why is everyone an emotionless zombie
to
>well I don't think that reaction (which I pretended did not happen earlier) was enough expression from Fern, her training since childhood does not count for anything, also every example of her or anyone else showing emotion in every other situation will be ignored

>>281461942
Is any of that explained or implied in the story or is that just your headcanon babble to sidestep criticism?

>>281462062
>"yeah, i guess Frieren is a little bit weird like that
I like when fantasy cultures are different without needing to be as unsubtle as planet of the hats.
> but this anime has other strengths that I think plenty compensate for the flaws"
I do not consider it a flaw at all. I am baffled that people don't realize that they act this way intentionally and think a unique part of the world of Frieren needs to be "fixed".

>>281462334
do show me where did I ever said that EVERY character is ALWAYS being perfectly stoic?
I assumed people reading me can both 1. read and comprehend simple English sentences 2. interpret me in good faith not jumping to absurd exaggerations
spoon-feeding mode.....ON! Dial it up to 200%...now let's try again:
The characters in this animated show are relatively emotionally flattened. In some circumstances it works obviously to the detriment of the story straying far from how actual humans act, like when a teenage girl with little experience of physical combat and being badly hurt (no, it doesn't matter that she's a legendary mage's apprentice and an orphan) maintains placid expression when sustaining heavy injury and high risk to her life.
In my estimation, there's no good reason to portray her like this and it's likely comes down to artist's laziness/incompetence
Now, if you fail again I pre-empitively and unironically diagnose you as irredeemable sub 90IQ troglodyte

>>281462781
>interpret me in good faith
Not that guy but in order for your posts to be interpreted in good faith they would have to, you know, be made in good faith.

>>281462829
luckily for you, they are!
>>281462577
>I like when fantasy cultures are different without needing to be as unsubtle as planet of the hats.
now this actually approaches an interesting point.
I'm not nearly as sure as you that this is the best interpretation, but at least this isn't obviously wrong.
Mere difference of culture wouldn't explain the fern stabbing scene (i'm like a broken record, i know, but what can you do) but we could also posit that humans in the world of Frieren are have fundamental biological brain differences from irl people.
at this point we might as well pretend it's not extremely far-fetched headcanon and move on.

>>281462042
>Why do you keep trying to make appeals to real life as if that's magically going to refute the criticism of Frieren
Because that what the creators tried to depict, explicitly
More realistic characters over the stereotypical anime retards which are made more people with poor emotional intelligence and attention spans. You are literally mindbroken at the fact that this show doesnt have the characters doing over exaggerated comedy silly face with art style change every five seconds with speed lines and flashing lights to let you know they are reacting to something, and you unironically think this is some kind of valid criticism kek

>>281454845
>>281454687
>writer is male
>autistic female MC twice
so, he can only write characters with autism?

>>281463349
>we used to call that kuudere...I was there, 3000 years ago...

>>281463409
the big difference that kuudere aren't retarded

>>281463109
"Act naturally" doesn't mean that the characters all have to be robotic and stone faced the entire show. You're acting as though there's some black and white "They must be like One Piece!" Criticism when there's plenty of ways to show emotion beyond the silly, cartoony facial expressions you describe.

>>281440872
/thread

>>281462781
>do show me where did I ever said that EVERY character is ALWAYS being perfectly stoic?
It's in the bait OP which you are attacking people for disagreeing with "why is everyone an emotionless zombie" is a direct quote. This is essentially a motte and bailey fallacy, OP says there is no emotion, posters respond that there is, then you jump in to attack those posters constantly using the Fern straight face frame which was posted in agreement with OP except you now try to shift the argument to "relatively flattened emotion" which is still wrong, just less obviously so than the original premise.
>The characters in this animated show are relatively emotionally flattened.
No they aren't, you just ignore or minimize when clear emotions are shown, both in the actual fight with Fern (gasping, flailing, mouth open, grimacing) and outside of it when multiple characters respond emotionally to other things.
>teenage girl with little experience
war orphan autist raised and trained purely for fighting from childhood by war mage autist
> it works obviously to the detriment of the story
None of this is to the detriment of the story, it enhances the story and informs the characters. Fern has trained for battle for years, she has never trained for teenage romance or dealing with other people, which is why those things cause her more emotional turmoil than battle. Fern is INTENTIONALLY portrayed this way to say something about her and about Frieren who raised her.

>>281463538
>"Act naturally" doesn't mean that the characters all have to be robotic and stone faced the entire show.
they aren't

>>281463692
>Hey these characters don't show much emotion
>Here's the point where they do!
Pointing out an exception to the rule, doesn't then make it not an exception. It's like saying
>Asian people are short!
>B-but I know a tall Asian guy!
That doesn't then refute the point. Exceptions prove the norm.

Frieren really mindbroke this board huh
I hadn't been in one of these threads in a while and the complaints about it have gotten significantly dumber kek

>>281463692
>the bait OP which you are attacking people for disagreeing with "why is everyone an emotionless zombie" is a direct quote
First time on 4chan? Never seen an exaggeration?
Anyway, I'm not the OP, lol. Anything else?
It's not motte and bailey, you just can't read and/or feel compelled to twist other's words to score a point.
The rest is just you rehearsing same things I already responded to.
Getting skewered is in fact very painful
No need for her to bawl her eyes out, but her reaction obviously is extremely unrealistically restrained

Yes, I am huge faGGot and I love Quunderes.

5:23 https://youtu.be/Y03qRXHPVvs?si=BGN-6E4Zq52cU_-a

>>281463778
Good luck getting this through his skull, bc I'm about to give up

>>281463692
(993 reply anon)
You know what, maybe I got to riled up and you don't really deserve this much verbal abuse.
Let's just say I dislike this part of frieren and find your arguments all around unconvincing.
I don't even have any strong feelings about this show.
Come to think of it, a spark of novelty is always welcomed once you have enough mileage and know all of the patterns, so this weird ass autism land might be seen as refreshing.

>>281463778
>hey these characters show no emotion
>yes they do
>well okay sure, but these characters don't show much emotion
>yes they do, here are multiple blatant examples and clear arguments for what the intention was behind scenes when they don't
>T....THAT DOESN'T COUNT, IN FACT IT PROVES ME CORRECT
No. Your argument is not equivalent to "Asian people are short" which is a mathematical reality based on empirical data, you're actually just pushing a much weaker version of mine which is to use frames as evidence for an assertion, except you rely on one frame and ignore context whereas I point to many frames, provide context and include explanations for many times when they don't show emotion.

You are the one failing to refute the point.

>>281464599
Well I do have strong feelings about this show, and if someone is going to seek out threads about it looking to make a bad argument about how it's low quality or lacking emotion I'm going to refute them because I disagree. I believe talking about things that you like is one of the best reasons to frequent an imageboard, no?

You could ask yourself why does this criticism comes up so often about frieren specifically.
is "it's because you retards are used to one piss tier emoting" actually good explanation?

>>281465070
I am partial to the "4chan loves to parrot inane, retarded complaints" explanation myself.

>>281465070
I like One Piece's emoting, but it's clearly a far more cartoony setting than Frieren which is a more grounded fantasy story
Both have the correct degree of emoting for their context

>>281465070
>is "it's because you retards are used to one piss tier emoting" actually good explanation?
That's definitely a decent explanation for a sizeable chunk of people, relying only on the premise that many dumb people exist.
Another good explanation is that it's a very simple argument for trolls to make which is effective at convincing people who've never watched it, relying on the premise that people who shit up discussion will try to do so as efficiently as possible, in OP's case it took one frame and one sentence.

>>281465493
Hot take: it wouldn't cause hundreds of replies if this wasn't at least partly true

>>281440598
>hes scared of needles
fag

>>281465722
Only truth gets replies? I think not.
Popularity of the series and simplicity of the argument are more than enough fuel for engagement, people want to talk about things that are popular and the barrier to entry here is very low. You don't need any special knowledge or to watch even a single picosecond of Frieren to argue about the faces in it.

>>281443215
Nothing prepares you for getting your body pierced like that apart from taking some similar damage.
I love the show but that scene bothered me as well.

Just going to be the radical centrist and say both sides are right. The characters do emote, it's actually quite nice and refreshing when they do, but a lot of the time there's a boring amount of stoicism.

>>281446513
She was trained from an early age in a niche skill and travelled with the second best mana supresser in the world. There's nothing that out of the ordinary about it.

I've seen this thread before.

>>281465987
pussy ass bitch
/spit

>>281451414
>It's rare to see big movements like jumping with excitment, clapping, hugging, etc.
So just like real life.

THE MANGA ARTIST HAS A SEVERE SAME FACE SYNDROME BECAUSE HE SUCKS AT DRAWING

what the fuck is the point of this thread

>>281454915
Cute erfu

>>281459544
>Why don't you freeze frame to find it.
It's visual storytelling, they should have made that clear.

>>281440598
kek

>>281462334
Oh I didn't know training by firing spells at a rock = training to show no pain or strain when you're being lifted and pinned to a wall by a hole on your shoulder

>>281466154
You don't get it, if they did it would be exactly like these silly shounen action stories about screaming teenagers.
As highly intellectual piece of visual art Frieren naturally can't allow average character emotional range to exceed that of a come patient.

>>281466420
>training by firing spells at a rock
disciplined training from childhood + ongoing combat training from Frieren as seen in the show
the entire point of training is so that you are able to fall back on those skills and be more disciplined in stressful situations
>training to show no pain or strain
except she does, as seen here >>281463736 and >>281459544
just because it's not the primary focused or massively exaggerated because of her character, doesn't mean it isn't shown

Dropped at episode 2. Incredibly boring, low quality, and also pointless.
Can't believe this is what passes as good anime today.

What I don't fully understand is -why- shitposters latch on to this show so hard.
The show itself is not going to stop being made or stop being succesful because of constant shitposting, that much should be obvious. The people watching it are also not going to suddenly think "oh wow, this random anonymous faggot is right... Frieren bad" and then stop watching it.
So what is the goal?

>>281466984
Who are you quoting?

>>281467023
(You)

>>281466824
>n't get it, if they did it would be exactly like these silly shounen action stories about screaming teenagers.
You can both like it and criticise its faults, like when the fat purple one got pierced.

>>281466824
There is no goal. People on this board are terminally autistic and live to have their contrarian opinions validated by similarly autistic retards.

frierenbros, if I call anons who owned me on the internet autistic shitposter retards, it doesn't really count, right?

OP here. I spent a few hours rewatching some episodes and I must admit, I hate it even more now.

>>281467279
Yeah, I guess I'm thinking too hard about it.
I know some people have nothing, and I do mean literally nothing going on besides being obnoxious, contrarian retards.

Frieren truly is the peak midwit entertainment.

>>281467618
That can't be right, I like it and I am very smart.

>>281467462
>Theory of mind [easy: failure] >"hmm..must be nothing going beside contrarian retards..."

>>281467663
You will never have a real personality.

>>281467699
Is this what passes as clever comeback in midwitland?

I have literally never met a single actually intelligent person who uses the word "midwit"
Not even one.

>>281467864
I haven't seen actually intelligent person who'd think that Frieren is something special and worth fawning over either.

>>281465070
>>281465131
>>281465493
You guys really give Frieren fans a bad name with these retarded strawman arguments.
>Hurr if you find characters having the same bored expression 90% of the time to be dull you want overexaggerated One Piece faces!
Shut up. Shut the fuck up.

Fern most of the time looks bored.
Land most of the time looks bored.
Ehre most of the time looks bored.
Edel most of the time looks bored.
Richter most of the time looks bored.
Denken most of the time looks bored.

I remember watching the First Class mage exam and thinking "why do all of these mages in life or death battles look like they're watching paint dry?". I get that you like the series and I do too, but the author clearly gets lazy when it comes to drawing faces that aren't totally neutral. That's a legit criticism.

>>281466154
it was made extremely clear to anyone with functioning eyes and a brain, apparently that does not include you

>>281468116
>erm, actually if you pause at *just* the right second it is obvious!
No.

>>281466824
Shitposters aren't targeting shows, they're targeting people who will consistently correct their shitposting. All it takes is a dedicated fandom of any kind. Frieren being generally popular and well regarded makes it an easy target. It's casting a wide net that will attract many. The engagement is the point, the reaction is all they're going for.

Hence, don't feed the trolls.

>>281465989
The TOP mana suppressor in the world says it takes 100 years to learn so she considers it to be worthless for humans. Just fucking OWN how lame the writing is for Fern there’s absolutely nothing saving it at this point. Why is the mangaka dying on this shitty useless hill? Because mana suppression is REQUIRED or else demons would flee from Fern in abject TERROR if she was walking around with her mana hanging out. The other top mages probably never encounter demons because demons refuse to get within 10km of them. If demons constantly fled from the protagonists the mangaka couldn’t do these isekai power fantasy scenes were the arrogant are humbled by the cute girls.

>pick the dumbest conceivable hill to die on
>Get murdered on it repeatedly
>"These damn shitposters are getting out of hand"
Why are frieren fans like this?

>>281468180
I hate it when people like you try to frame any person airing a grievance with a show/manga as "just a heckin evil troll trying to shitpost". There are shitposters, yes, but there are also people who might like that series but not like every single aspect of it equally. A shocking revelation, I know.

>>281440257 (OP)
Frieren made me realize I'm a bit autistic, for her booty that is.

>>281468180
Yeah, this also makes sense.
You are right, participating in this shit thread was a waste of time, I'll stick to genuine Frieren threads from now on.

>>281468180
>>281468286
Why are you replying to yourself

>>281468089
>the most elite mages in the world aren't constantly making funny faces mid battle and are instead acting seriously
>that's a legitimate criticism and clearly indicative of a lazy author
No, it's not. If some scenes are drawn with expressive faces and some are not, the author is probably trying to tell you something about the characters or the situation they are in.

>>281468318
>aren't constantly making funny faces mid battle
That's not what I said. Why are you only capable of responding with strawmen? This is not a zero sum game.

What an expressive character. I sure love the impressive range of emotions he displays in the series.

>>281468386
he is a deadpan character even for this series

>>281460017
Frieren ain't woke, also yeah this is a cool episode.

>>281468266
Remind me which legitimate grievance airing people you are referring to? The OP who didn't even try to disguise his bait? The multiple people admitting they didn't watch it and already hate it? The people ignoring the evidence of characters emoting piling up against them in favor of a single frame of Fern without context? Ah, maybe you meant the "fans" who choose to ignore all of those shitposters, tacitly agreed with a watered down version of OP's argument, and argued with the other fans instead as if we're the problematic ones without nuance?

>>281468386
This particular character has a good excuse as he is practically immortal

>>281468799
Have you tried responding with "fair enough" or "whatever, faggot" when confronted with the most obvious and undeniable criticism

>>281468347
It's not a strawman, it's an accurate distillation of your argument. You see numerous examples of emoting ITT, both in and out of battle, and are still mad about them not making expressive enough faces, so we apparently need to go funnier? How else can we fix this for you?

idk why the characters look bored all the time too it's hard to give a fuck about story even the characters in it looks like they don't give a fuck

>>281466824
Anons are so brainrotted they think anyone who doesn't share their opinion is a troll

>>281440394
fpbp
I'm so fucking tired of zoomers trained on fake over the top reactions by retarded content creators. The anime gives stereotypical reactions only to narcissists (demons) and that's exactly how people react most of the time irl, unless they're some angry driver or whatever

>>281469028
That they emote sometimes was never disputed
The average, median, typical kind of emoting they're doing is a bland pokerface continuing for entire conversations
More glaring when reading and there's no voice acting to compensate.
I actually hate overemoting and jokes revolving around cartoonish outbursts and ridiculous reactions (crocodileEd.jpg)
and I like more grounded and realistic portrayal of emotions when it's executed well, so I want to let you know that I'm annoyed with you for framing the argument this way

>>281468959
Nobody has brought up any obvious and undeniable criticism, mostly just some nonsense about there not being enough emotions?

>>281440257 (OP)

One of the reaosns anime tends ot be popular, psychologically speaking, is because people lacking emotional depth of experience in their lives are drawn to the highly emotive and aesthetically pleasing characters. Compared to other mediums, emotion in anime is usually more exaggerated. If anything, anime is of higher quality when it is compelling without relying of exaggerated character emotions to keep the viewer's interest.

>>281469289
>That they emote sometimes was never disputed
except in the OP of this thread and by half of the people in it who you let slide unmolested while focusing on arguing with people like me
>The average, median, typical kind of emoting they're doing is a bland pokerface continuing for entire conversations
it's not though, the most concession I will give you is that the characters are more serious than average people because they are generally serious characters in generally serious situations in a series with a generally serious tone, making it appropriate

>>281458288
>This looks so generic.
give an example of something not generic but unique and special

>>281459544
wew contrarians btfo by based frieren
take this elf punch contrarianfags

It's a litmus test for anyone's anime taste.

Do they dislike shows such as Frieren or Dungeon Meshi? They have shit taste.

Do they defend shows like Bleach, Black Clover, and/or Solo Leveling as anything other than slop? Do they call them masterpieces or offer a similar sentiment? Shit taste.

>>281458288
That's Frieren in a nutshell. It's just zoomers' first non-isekai fantasy anime so they think it's a masterpiece.

>>281466420
You people are crazy. I've been in horrific pain and a freeze response is not that unusual.

>>281466824
The people you call shitposters are old /a/. You are a newfag.

>>281471305
both sharteren and dungshit meshit are boring troonslop anime

>>281461278
I am going to fucking cum (emotionlessly)

>>281451414
Good observation, honestly.

>>281471936
See what I mean? It lets retards highlight themselves.

>>281471305
>can't even google what litmus mean
Why are dungeon m*shi fans like this...

>>281471305
I don't think either are good for a litmus test. There's a wide range of things to like in both shows, and they both have mass appeal aspects for normies. I was turned off watching frieren for a long time because of it's mass appeal, and meshi I read the manga release since volume 2. I just have to make myself accept that frieren is a fantastically made anime and normals like it for reasons completely different from mine.

>>281460017
She's a demon not a human woman, and the giant weapon isn't heavy because it's just a magical projection, which is exactly why she doesn't hurt Stark that much when she hits him with it. Once he realizes how weak she actually is, he lets her hit him without defending at all, takes a swing of her "axe" to his torso, and just annihilates her.

>>281461216
She actually changed quite a bit and is very warm towards Stark from that scene onwards for the rest of the series. They're constantly in the background smiling and chatting with each other.

>>281443215
She was also raised by Frieren. It makes sense she would be a bit emotionally distant because she took it from her

>>281466824
>I'm a huge newfag please give me (you)s
Ok, I'm in a nice mood.

>>281462781
>>281466420
Why the fuck do you keep pretending she hasn't been in combat before? She's been fighting monsters all the time. Seconds after she gets skewered, we're even shown flashbacks of her fighting lots of monsters before that. And she only wins the fight in the present day because she was specifically trained to be very controlled in combat. You didn't even watch the whole scene, much less the series. You just grabbed some random screencap and now are bitching about it and moving the goalposts whenever you get disproved.

>>281440257 (OP)
why is everyone an adhd hyper in your battle shounen manga?

>>281466824
They're just seething because their precious FMA:B got bumped off of MAL.

>>281468266
The OP didn't even watch the whole scene he's shitposting about.

>>281468204
>The TOP mana suppressor in the world says it takes 100 years to learn so she considers it to be worthless for humans.
That statement was qualified. It was a generalization, but allowed for the possibility of humans like Fern to exist in the prefatory clause of the very same sentence.

>>281466824
Attacking popular things has the dual benefit of generating more (you)s and fostering a sense of self superiority in the minds of the attackers. If you call something unpopular bad, nobody notices or cares, you can't even feel special for simply agreeing with the mob. When the unwashed masses like something though, calling it dumb gets you attention and signals that you are different. To call the mob dumb is to elevate yourself above them, proclaiming your discerning nature and refined taste.

I'm more annoyed about how everyone likes monologuing their plans while fighting in this anime

>>281440257 (OP)
why she always doing zoomer stare??

>>281441753
Based Frieren.

>>281441803
For about a minute or so.

>>281442872
Rape.

>>281473115
holy shit yeah it's fucking insufferable.

>>281460017
It’s a superhuman demon.

>>281458288
it's ironically generic, baka!

>>281440257 (OP)
They're not at all. And if you think that, you might have some sort of issue interpreting emotions.
>>281440708
Stark is not autistic.
He's emotional and wears his heart on his sleeve..
He is also a dense young man, as many are.
But he is completely different than Frieren and Fern.

>>281441753
It's ironic too, because it's not like the series doesn't have those character types as well.
Stark exists and has fairly typical and expressive emotions.
Frieren is different.
Fern isn't anywhere near Frieren's level either. She just has a unique personality. She's certainly quite emotional at times in a way that only a woman can be.

Why is Frieren criticism on /a/ generally just absolutely retarded?
Like I can imagine some legitimate, well thought out criticism of the show. And it would be interesting to discuss and have some good threads.
But rarely if ever do I see anything like that posted.
It's always some of the dumbest shit on the board, to the point it makes you wonder if the people have even watched the show and/or are just purely baiting on purpose.

>>281471979
Emotionless paizuri with a shaded face and cold stare

>>281474188
it'll be less bad when it's airing again, all non active series get worse on here because discussion is driven by bait refinement rather than things actually happening

I wouldn't call them emotionless. They just sound bored 90% of the time.

>>281474188
It's because the people criticizing it haven't seen it, so they can't come up with any real criticisms. They're just basing everything off of memes they saw from fans having a bit of fun with the characters.
I actually thought Frieren was autistic first few episodes but as I got to know her better I realized she wasn't autistic at all.

>>281440598
i've gotten stabbed like that and that's exactly how i reacted.

>>281474188
A low-IQ will enjoy Frieren for its animation budget because the smoother animation and richer scenes activate animal-level reward centers. Higher-IQ viewers will also appreciate the budget, of course, but will also be frustrated by the many flaws in narrative, plot and characterizations.

How is this board going to cope when S2 is inevitably even better received than S1?

Hello, I am from eastern europe country and frieren demonstrates complete emotional spectrum which you can legally use here.

>>281475559
This is basically true, kek
Add northern Europe in too
Fern has the expressive range of the average Finn

>>281475481
>frustrated by the many flaws in narrative, plot and characterizations
Let's hear your examples.

>>281475582
Fern is way more expressive than any Finnish person I've known.

>>281440257 (OP)
How does this image make you feel, anon?

>>281442872
sauce?

Will there ever be another anime that makes retards seethe this much?

>>281440257 (OP)
The manga is well known to feature mostly expressionless characters. Something to do with demure smiles and keep calm and all that.
If anything, the anime has a lot more freedom to showcase a sequence of emotions, like it does in most scenes.

>>281475844
Episode 19.

>>281475952
>Will there ever be another anime that makes retards seethe this much?
Just imagine how much worse it will get when season 2 takes #1 on MAL away from season 1.

>>281456393
Why is she so perfect?

Is there an actual download for chapter 142 anywhere?
No, I will not join a fucking discord for a link.

>>281476582
You can read it on the Viz website but might need a VPN
It will be up on places like xbato eventually, not sure why it isn't on there yet.

>>281476617
Anything where I can save a local copy of the actual high res images?

>>281440598
14 year old girl who's never been seriously injured before btw.

>>281476253
I don't remember that scene.

the show is really good, some people just get mad about anything.

>>281469131
It is a more enjoyable and comfy watch if you turn your brain off and lower your expectations like you would for a standard shonen anime

>>281440833
frieren has trouble handling a dragon at the start of the series but fighting her copy in the dungeon she is a demmi-goddess capable of using magic that isn't even recognized as magic.
also why do they walk so much when they can fly?
how can cold be a problem traveling with a mage living for over a thousand years, no kind of warmth spell or wind shield or flame-on-a-stick spell? such a spell would be among the first things invented by whoever makes these spells.
no protective measures taken when going to bed? how did frieren survive so long since some low life would stab her in her sleep to get famous?

frieren is great for the atmosphere but i have to ignore some things watching it. biggest /ignore was the kryptonite introduced in the manga after the anime ends, which up until that point has not been mentioned (should basically exist in every castle for every king).

>>281472492
>Why the fuck do you keep pretending she hasn't been in combat before? She's been fighting monsters all the time
Cool. Which chapter do we see this?

>>281478489
The dragon is shiny, it reflects magic just like the chaos flower we see later. This is basic fantasy shit, things have resistances. Resistances are discussed all the time in Frieren.
Flying costs a lot of mana.
Presumably if there was a spell that protects against cold, it would also cost a lot of mana. They do have spells to create fire, but good luck keeping a flame burning in high winds.
How do you know there's no protective measures taken when going to bed?

>>281478855
The story skips entire years at a time, it only shows the stuff that's important to the characters. Defeating random encounter monster #102356 isn't worthy. It's enough that we're told Frieren has made Fern go into combat a lot. At least, if you're not some brainfried zoomer.

>>281479363
i don't count fan's made up excuses as to how things *might* be explained but only account for how things are explained in the manga. and there's no explanation why Frieren couldn't kill a dragon, why there's so little flying, why a snow storm is a problem, why she is safe while sleeping, and more things that i don't remember but thought of while watching the series/reading the manga.

it is simply the author not thinking about these things before hand and making stuff up as he goes. Frieren doesn't need to be perfect, few stories are.

>>281479796
If you need that much handholding, then yeah, Frieren really is not for you. If you've got a functioning brain then these issues are all not issues because you understand through subtext what's going on.
It's incredible how many people get filtered by Frieren. There's no other show like it.

>>281480034
>If you can't take bad writing Frieren isn't for you.

>>281480515
>Only writing for toddlers and retards is good writing.

>>281480679
>Explaining basic things about how your world and power system works is retard writing for toddlers apparently.

>>281479796
>>281480515
I'd recommend you go read some D&D rulebook if you're so autistic about retarded manchildren shit like worldbuilding and magic systems, power levels, etc. in a fantasy setting, but then you might be a brainlet since you didn't pick up the quirk of fighting that dragon, not even the fact she's almost forgotten in this day and age so why would anyone care to stab her to get "famous".

>>281480707
You can see Fern's spell reflect off of the dragon, exactly like Sein's spell reflected off the chaos flower, and both were drawn the same way. If that's too much of a leap for logic for you then yes, you are a toddler or retarded.
The mana cost of flying is stated outright. Somehow you missed that.
Even a child understands that fire goes out when you blow on it.
Frieren's magic resistances are actually discussed at length. Again, somehow you missed that.

>>281480905
Name a single scene where any of this is discussed.

>>281480916
The episode where they met Sein and got him to join the party, they discussed the mana cost of flying. The flying spell and its origins was also discussed for more detail when they were attacked by an avian monster while traveling, though you should have been smart enough to pick up on those details already in episode 3 with Qual and I think it was episode 11 where other limitations were discussed more directly.

>>281481042
Bodied that freak

>>281440702
I'll tolerate her constant nagging just to see her like this once in a while

>>281481042
I only remember some random throw-away excuse, not any kind of real discussion on mechanics. Of course when Ubel comes along the mangaka just goes for the Fairy Tail system (imagination is everything) so any explanation would have been pointless anyway.

>>281481042
Only random throwaway stuff is discussed, not any kind of in-depth discussion on mechanics.

>>281440598
She certainly shows pain initially. But she turns cold because she doesn't want to show weakness to the demon.
Compare her fight with Stark's.

>>281460017
>i learned that by being a retard i can garner attention

>>281440598
Impressive. Three sentences, one pic, countless mindbroken frieren fans

>>281484285
Except when they do the opposite and explain shit in detail, which is exactly where the series go to shit like in the battle manga arc of the Magic school exam.

>>281440598
The plot is how "Demons" are stronger if his victims are screaming in pain and fear. Protagonists need be emotionless rocks for beat the demons

>>281440257 (OP)
They know about reality and how cruel it is.
Only death frees us.

>>281485442
>>281459544
impressive, he didn't read the thread

>>281488271
>>281443486

>>281488433
>>281463736
>tensed jaw