Thread 281553460

Continuing from >>281553447

It's kind of weird how Robin was completely absent for most of Nisei.

In all seriousness, this is probably set up for Ultimate Tag

>>281553509
him and Terry

>>281553509
He didn't show up for the Olympics or Demon Seed, which his son was a big part of both. Did they want to keep him out so Kevin could keep his daddy issues?

>>281553509
Even though he's the crux of one character's daddy issue.

>>281553516
My friends....and Kevin Mask.

>>281553529
Didn't he show up right at the very end after the match next to Suguru?

>>281553516
and Ninj- oh nevermind

>>281553550
He did but that made things even more confusing because neither one of them weighs in on the entire match in the manga.

>>281553516
How convienent that Illoukhine landed right on his severed head in a way that allowed his neck to cleanly reattach.

For those confused, final volume of nisei really does just randomly end with a story about Robin mask.
We go straight from having no closure at all on all the demon seed stuff, to "hey let's cut back to how Robin mask married your mother"
Final arc barely even got closure in the end, it just kinda ended

>>281553560
>Hey, if you're all alive, then surely Ninja Ned...

>>281553536
really? Just those five? Nobody else?

>>281553600
w-what?

>>281553516
>The Ninja doesn't come back
Oh so there was a recent death time limit on resurrections.

>>281553563
Suguru: I gotta risk my life to save the jackass who damn near want my son to off himself!

It's nice how Kevin mask apparently remembers how mom and dad getting together like this, it's clearly setting up for his flashback

I actually like the ending pages as far as Ashuraman and Sunshine go because they had a good reason to have lost contact vs justice chojin who just seemed to not be able to be bothered to keep an eye on friends, but it doesn't actually offer closure to anything lmao

>>281553586
>>281553600
>if you mention Robin's name Kevin starts regressing to be as childish as Mantaro.
It's funny.

>>281553600
>Da-Daddy
I laugh every time.

>>281553600
Reminder Robin is literally a chojin playing against non chojin

>>281553634
He is just a fucking edgy teen with daddy issues...

>>281553586
At least he acknowledges he didn't even try to save him when he fell.

ROBIN MASK NISEI IS REAL

>>281553648
To be fair.. considering those non Choujin rugby players still wanna play him speaks volumes of them.. they're probably SAS guys or something later down the line.

>>281553644
>100-0
At that point why even play.

No matter how much people say they have a great relationship, I just don't buy Kevin liking mantaro at all.

> make Robin's son the deutagonist of the manga
> make Robin's apprentice the coach of his son an an important character
> Robin never plays an active role

What a weird choice. And it's not like him appearing would have necessarily meant for Kevin to be less of edgelord, they could have just handwaved it "Warsman made me realize I respect you but damn I still don't like you."

>>281553683
>guys
Sally go!

>>281553674
I wonder if Kevin has freckles.

>revival suddenly gets updated with half of the current fight
what the hell

>>281553704
If it helps, one of the videogames has him as the final boss if you play as Kevin

>>281553672
You mean, this whole series isn't Robin Mask Nisei?

>>281553701
Kevin takes a very quick, and strong, liking to people he perceives as having a genuine interest in him and Mantaro is so childish and dumb that he wouldn't be able to fake liking Kevin if his life depended on it.

>>281553707
...so if it weren't for Alisa, Robin Mask probably stay as a rugby player..

>>281553704
I don't even know why Kevin hates how Dad really

>Robin: I put you through hard training
>Kevin: nooooo I hate you Dad
>Warsman: I put you through hard training
>Kevin: sir yes sir, I am yours to command

It feels like he reacts well to structure in his life going by how warsman treated him, it seems like he would react well to Robin's harsh training considering warsman was almost the same
Only thing I can figure is Kevin rebelled because he thought he couldn't live up to his dad

>>281553719
i'm really confused by that.

I don't remember Robin being this autistic...

>>281553749
So..Robin made out with Alisa in the Mr Barracuda jacket

...that explains a lot

>>281553722
>Hmmm yes, time to kill Ultraman and leave the earth without a defender

>>281553821
>remember your deodorant bros

>>281553774
>Hates being trained by Jobbing Mask
>Is fine being trained by Jobsman
....

>>281553808
I wouldn't worry too much, right now we're in the time between Leo and Joneus, not much is happening

They didn't even need to change anything, they could have added a scene where Kevin wonders whether Warsman helped him because of him or just purely as a favor to Robin and he gets a new set of daddy issues from that small bit of doubt. There, you can have Robin actually do shit.

Akuma Shogun vs The Hell Missionaries

>>281553932
Iwao spotted! Also Mammothman, Akuma Shogun, and Big the Budo. lol Robin should not know about these guys.

>>281553718
I wonder what happened to Kevin in the sweltering summer of '92 . . .

>>281553774
The sequence of events makes it seem like Warsman really did just gaslight him, lel.

But really, Warsman said as much, Kevin acts like he does because he feels inadequate. It's just easy to miss because they decided to make Warsman an absolute psychopath about it.

>>281553994
"You must stop being a Superman and be a legalized gambler instead"

>>281553617
I really hope those were choujin rugby players

>>281554089
>let's mess with the big muscular guy wearing metal armor
do bongs really

>>281554089
>>281554099
Let's pretend for a moment that Robin isn't a Chojin
He's still a 217cm extremely ripped guy
What exactly did these punks think was gonna happen?

>>281553749
God Robin is such a fucking dork

>>281554137
This is like when people were messing with the demon seed pre transformation

>>281554099
It's not Hello. It's Allo!

>>281554066
To be fair only a small percentage of choujin become well known and place in the olympics, and most just get maimed. The man doesn't want his daughter caught in that life. They had no idea that Robin had real talent.

>>281554137
>>281554146
Hey, uh, shouldn't you guys be fighting Kaiju or something?

>>281554146
You know how to really get Robin into the ring?
Quarrelman!
Quarrelman!
Quarrelman!

>>281554196
Hasn't met him yet

>>281554196
Quarrelmania, bruv!

>>281554221
>Do you wanna be like the weak Mammoths who died to the cold? Is that what you want?

>>281554249
>except that one time you somehow lost the family hierloom firestick.

>>281554270
>Sorry, Papa, but human pussy is too good
>>281554289
ENTER

>>281554289
ENTER
EL ABUELO DE ROBIN

>Robin Knight beats his son
>who beats his student and beats his son
I'm sensing a pattern here

>>281554327
Just tough love innit

>>281554289
So do they just glue hair to the mask?

>>281554335
Why not just marry them and stay as chojin?

>>281554327
Beating your children until they run away is a time honoring choujin tradition.

You know, Terry didn't have this much trouble with HIS human girlfriend/wife

>>281554303
"You wanna stop being a Choujin because human pussy? Choujin pussy's tighter, sonny!"

>>281554364
They want to keep their bloodline "pure", they're still British Aristocracy

Robin Mom is the hottest girl in the series.

>>281554371
Natsuko's not a British high society girl though.

>>281554371
Terry's dad was prolly dead by then. If not he probably had more issue that his boy's GF was Japanese

>>281554391
>"Hey, The Man, whatever happened to those giant rocks you filled with the power of your Zero Tragedy?"
>"I think I left them lying around in some island"

>>281554436
>"I did not fight Kamikazeman in World War II for you to marry some Jap chick!"

>>281554391
>perfect choujin depowering ground

>>281554436
>>281554460
Wait, no, now I'm imagining Doryman as just Cotton

>>281554501
>I pinned fiddy Tojo choujin back in Dubya Dubya Two

>>281554592
THE FOGGY AUTUMN OF 72

>>281554547
>No, but I feel like you guys gotta know it, just in case evil time travelling Chojin show up, go back to the past and kill one of my parents

>>281553982
just noticed now how wide Robin eyes are because he's more young

>>281554592
Are ya winning, Robin?

>>281554634
Hey guys, it's Mr. Barracuda!

>>281554634
STOP DEFILING PUBLIC MONUMENTS

>>281554137
I still remember this guy showing up in the revival series
Haha

>>281554675
I'm gonna assume he walked naked into London.

>>281554653
>>281554675
You know, scanlator, it was already obvious enough who it was without you doing this

>>281554592
All those gains, gone like tears in the rain

>>281554335
>Robin heritage is half in crumbles because a good portion of it can't deal with human pussy

I can't believe Robin Mask is a blood traitor

> The Robin lineage comes with the urge to go fuck human women.
What a weird tidbit to include, specially since Kevin is supposed to be telling the story.

>Guillotine Chojin fighting in a british tournament
Isn't this a bit insensitive?

>>281554853
> The Robin lineage comes with the urge to go fuck human women.
The urge to fuck human women seems to be a widespread choujin thing desu.

>>281554868
>jobber words
NO

>>281554634
I'll always miss when unmasked Robin looked like Aiolia

In fact I think we had his original appearance briefly reappear in the new anime during his flash ack right before fighting nemesis

I just can't respect Beetles looking Robin.

>>281554874
>Guillotine Chojin
a smelly fr*nch must have sneaked in

>>281554886
If you really think about it, it's really the Kinnikuman who are weirdos?

>>281554501
Doryman: I killed fiddy Choujins. My son works at a gas station!
>>281554634
So if he looks like Mr Barracuda all along..why does he need the Mr Barracuda mask?>>281554658
The Druids thought it was some weird ass ritual..but no, it's just a Choujin depowering himself..
>>281554653
So it's not Ultraman..it's Undoraman!

>>281553608
Only enough Diamonds for five people.

>>281554845
>For a guy with a good winning record, you've become as soft as the future vessel of Akuma Shogun, the most fearsome Devil choujin in all of existence
What did he mean by this?

>>281554812
Who's gonna bet that Guillotine King is French?

>>281554958
Honestly? He was kinda asking for it here.

>>281554899
Also all Blue Robin Mask is kino..

>choujins are brutes who kill each other for sport
is Mr. Mackintosh wrong tho?

>>281554996
So chopping heads off is OK but Quarrel Man? He's too much...they just hate Quarrel Mania, brother!

>>281555034
>The French Guillotine Choujin is evil
....Gee, wonder what gives you THAT idea?

>>281555050
UK Choujin Athletic Commissioner: YOU DIDN'T CHECK IF THE GUY'S AN EVIL CHOUJIN?
Other guy: I thought it was a gimmick
Commissioner: HE'S SPEAKING IN A FRENCH ACCENT!

>>281555065
Dude, his friend just died

>>281555083
"Wot?"
"Yeah, he'll go after the bourgeoisie...which include bankers. Especially wankers who are bankers. He's French you see.."

>>281555109
What a dickhead

>>281555109
I don't know, TV Anchor, do you actually get a license to conquer the world if you win a tournament? Ha, fuck it, wrestling is fake anyway.

>>281555144
Fucking Yakuza random encounters man.

>>281555142
He's a banker..what do you expect.

>>281555007
It's really his best color scheme, chojin are better when they're not just really big humans.

>>281555175
......So he still jobs, with or without his powers.

>>281555144
insane that they recognized him without the mask and the gains

>>281553994
He kneeled.

>>281555208
TERRYMAN WHAT THE FUCK

>>281555191
>I guess the rumors are true
The random human hooligan information network is as strong as the choujin mook version

>>281555175
should've...gotten...haircut

>>281555208
Casually taking a piece of a pre-historic landmark...

>>281555208
Based stalker Terry

>>281555193
Even blue Robin, he was just wearing a skin suit, as the anime shows

Kinnikuman, Terryman, Robin, they are chojin that look entirely human. But they purposefully wear things to look slightly less human.

>>281555208
>Terryman hurling a bus sized boulder at a human Robin
It's a good thing that didn't kill him.

>it's still going
????

>>281553722
Why didn’t Robin get his dick out when Mantaro did?

Every now and then I remember all the accents are just something the translator randomly added, and aren't in the original script

>>281555332
Easy there, girl.

>>281555256
Rice Cake? Terry...you're a Texan..you shouldn't even know what that is!

>>281555345
>Robin woke up without his armor
>It's not like his armor poofed away like he thought it did
>Terry has the armor
So did he just strip Robin or..

>>281555256
Fear not Robin I got the injuried one!

>>281555332
....Yes, Alisa...steely muscle. We know where you're looking at.

You think Kevin described this part too or what? The little pervert.

>>281553798
He was never low class like this before. He was a gentleman choujin. It’s one more character assassination from Nisei before it ends.

>>281555300
I'm imagining it now.
>Ah damn it... He's flatter than a Lubbock mile

>>281555373
ASHITA NO YUUSHA
OH YEAAAH

>>281555362
His armor seems to have exploded out of his body >>281554592

>>281555380
I mean, his coach said that that was only to hide his true savage personality at first
...
Where is that guy anyway?

>>281555332
>Robin's gf, inlaws, and the whole street caught a viewing of Robin's family jewels
lol
also final panel, Alisa is drenched

>>281555333
Because Mantaro only whipped it out when he has a plan.

>>281555362
The armor probably just comes off of him, what with him being smaller.

>>281555380
Even here the type of state and his parents clearly indicate that they're high class, it doesn't make sense for him to be lowbrow if his dad describes him as a "good boy" until then.

>>281555338
On the other hand, Nisei absolutely wanted to make sure we knew Kevin calls Robbin "daddy".

>>281555452
Is it me or his accent getting worse

>>281555516
Eh... yeah, sure, if that's what you want to believe

>>281555345
>>281555361
>>281555373
>>281555402
>>281555420
Fucker is going through a full Sentai/Magical Girl Henshin. All that's missing is a full page pose and it'd be perfect

>>281555503
>Forgive me Alisa, no human woman would want to be with a popular super powerful choujin wrestler like me!
haha what?

>>281555503
>>281555516
>it is over. my huge cock and steely muscles have returned
>it is no use, Alisa. I'm saving your father's baaaaank!.

Okay, I know I said I'd finish it today, but I REALLY need to go to sleep and the last chapter is 40 pages, so I'll leave it here and promise that I'll finish it as soon as I have time tomorrow

>>281555573
My thoughts exactly. What would be Robin's theme song that plays during the transformation sequence?

>>281555559
Robin's mom has got it going on..also, they're British, shouldn't they be chanting HOLMES, HOLMES, HOLMES?

>>281555028
I thought Quarrelman got bored of fighting jobbers

>>281555599
Niijiro no Kishi starts playing..

> should we use these remaining pages to tell a satisfying conclusion to the Demon Seed arc?
> No, people need to know how horny Alissa was for Robin.

>>281555465
>doesn't make Robin fork out cash for all this
not my past Terry

>>281555622
That transformation was so sick that it's almost worth it

>>281555646
So this story takes place before Terry met Suguru, right?
>>281555660
IT IS OVER

>>281555699
Suguru:...You know, i don't even know why I risk my neck for you..you did try to get my son to commit suicide?

Kevin: I thought we're even?

Suguru: No..you're not even close.

I wonder if Kevin heard this from his parents or if it's a well known story because imagine a 8 or so yo Kevin having to listen to all of this.

>>281555718
This is 5+ years before the 1st olympic arc in OG isn't it? Terry should still be a money grubbing asshat

RETURN OF THE CRASHING FIGHTING COMPUTER
RETURN OF THE CRASHING FIGHTING COMPUTER

>>281555774
TAKING A SHIT IN WASH ASS!

>>281555774
OP's computer didn't crash again, OP decided to go to sleep again.

>>281555743
>Your dad's dick was gigantic, Kevin

>>281555815
> The real reason Kevin ran away was because he was tired of hearing about Robin's dick.

>>281555774
>>281555796
>>281555800
OP's computer changed sides because it questioned OP's ownership!

I hope OP does well at Hercules Factory.

Where are the eleventy billion chapters between the last Revival one and the most recent one

>>281553359
This is sort of the same conclusion Ashuraman and a lot of the other antagonists come to in the revival. They aren’t justice choujin, they still love to cheat and kill their opponents, they will never be goody two-shoes like Kinnikuman and friends. Still they can be honorable devils who recognize the bonds of friendship without totally forsaking who they are. Nisei’s writing is messy but there’s bits of something good hidden here that will be refined in the future.

>>281555978
Gone from Mangadex...and they're back. The incredibly ad-filled and shitty scanlation sites that are unaccountably never purged.

>>281556021
Sunshine's part of the demon seed arc not only successfully connects his motivation from when he first appeared in Nisei to the demon seed arc and gives him closure, it did so without completely butchering his character in the process.

Nisei wants so badly to be a good manga but the hyperfocus on Mantaro and Kevin while also not using them to their fullest doesn't let it.

>>281556268
So the problem is half-measure?

>>281555432
He’s giving me Jonathan Joestar vibes, he hears all the stuff about being a gentleman and noble but he’s not quite there yet. A good boy, but not a proper boy. I figure getting accolades, respect, and publicity as the face of the Justice Choujin helped him refine his demeanor, but with it came the belief that he was Justice himself, which then leads to his arrogance. I guess his dad was more proud of having a strong son than a well-mannered one.

Since I doubt the last 40 pages will have particularly relevant information, some random thoughts as a first timer before I forget :

>hilariously mismanaged secondary cast, I really didn't expect Terryman's kid to be THIS irrelevant out of all people, but I'm kinda sad Wally never got action too
>overall agree that Mantaro really feels too cowardly, Suguru's constant giving up was also annoying through the OG but he felt more consistent once the stakes were set
>Kevin is really not a tenth as bad as you guys were constantly complaining about, I honestly don't know what the big deal is. Maybe I'll change my mind in the Utag storytime, but I was more annoyed with Warsman
>The Meat worship is a bizarre angle to try when he's Nisei's worst character by a mile. Complete killjoy, constant nagging, half the time you feel he really would rather be somewhere else and hate Mantaro with a passion.
>People say Nisei is bad because it's edgy (not completely untrue), but I feel the series would be better if it was a more straightforward edgier take on Kinnikuman. I feel the worst parts of Nisei is when it tries to have some moral, everytime it comes out as schizophrenic

Overall, it feels definitely awkward, which is unfortunate because the elements are there. Most of the new characters are solid, Kevin / Mantaro is a very funny rival dynamic that needed to be used more, villains were surprisingly entertaining and I feel Nisei hits a nice middle ground between gimmicks and more technical wrestling that neither of the other series manage.
Well, honestly I'd keep at it at that if it wasn't for the Chojin Olympics. Seriously, what the fuck was up with that arc? It feels like everyone there went insane, including the authors. It has no tonal continuity with the rest of the manga at all. Was Yudetamago having a bad year?

It's a pupil's duty to surpass the master.

>>281556154
What the fuck man

>>281556916
>It's a pupil's duty to surpass the master.
A savior!

>>281557015
>he's not gonna expect my third jump-in in a row

>>281556440
In my opinion? Yeah. Mantaro is of course the protagonist and gets the most fights, if the friend group is barely going to contribute, Mantaro needs to grow and learn in SOME way. Make him keep the lessons he was taught between arcs, let him have a love interest that feels like she has faith in his ability to save the day even if she can't stand his immature side and doesn't recur to shitting on him constantly, gives us more little things like him being into stargazing that show he's not a complete fuck up, just lazy and rather cowardly. Meat is meant to be his closest friendship, give them moments together outside of coaching for Mantaro to think back to when saving Meat.

Kevinwank is obviously there because of his popularity, so embrace it: give us that reunion with Warsman, make them tag team. Show him realizing he no longer gets fullfiment from being a jerk after almost killing Mantaro, don't just let us infer he did some soul searching the next time he shows up. Give him scenes with Robin.

Either commit to the manga being the Mantaro & Kevin show or give the supporting cast actual room to breath.

Robin is getting scouted by NXT to learn how to run the ropes and put together a match, time to start practicing Irish Whips.

>>281557067
Yeah, we saw the match yesterday, Speedwagon.

>>281557081
>Alisa & Robin reenacting the Shivano run

Now I'm falling asleep. OP, thanks for the storytime. I actually started with Nisei back in the day and stopped right before the mantaro v Kevin mask fight. Revival has been more fun, but it wasn't bad to reread Nisei, especially with everyone's commentary.
Good luck with college! Catch you next time.

>You can't let the name Robin Mask be the thing that ends the Robin Dynasty
>We need our son to redefine it to the Mask Dynasty

>>281556916
you said it Terry

>>281557161
What a chump, didn't even weaponize his splinters

>>281557127
See, King..this is why Shogun seal all 9 points of his opponent before he uses the Guillotine

>>281557173
If he's a proper Devil Choujin, he'd have an ability where he summoned the severed heads of his past victims to attack Robin Mask..

And yeah, that's the end of the Nisei manga's first half. Next up is an interview with Yudetamago, as well as this untranslated bio thing.

>>281556807
People hate Kevin wank in the same way they hate meat wank, like it starts out "that's a little much" and it ends up "oh come on, you passed being too much a mile ago". From the second he starts winning polls the story really starts worshipping Kevin way too much.

He can do the fire of inner strength and lantern better than mantaro, everyone loves him, Kevin didn't actually lose against voltman and Ashuraman so his perfect record remains unchecked, the story bends over backwards to say his every action is correct while the story bends over to say mantaro is literal shit on the ground at all times. He's not quite a writers pet but he definitely rides the line.

>>281557189
"He played a good game"..is that what you call headbutting and impaling your opponent on his spiked helmet?

>>281557214
He's WCW Kevin Nash is what he is. Also the cheek of that dude during UTag..don't hold grudges my ass.

>>281557245
Damn these guys were into Ms. Hancock. Maybe if they were into Chyna, things would have turned out very differently.

>>281557270
Pretend you didn't see those.

>>281557282
Live Action Kinnikuman Film? Yeah....no. Best stay in animation.

And that's it for the interview, not a whole lot else to say for the rest of these pages.

>>281557012
warsman...

Akumeat Shogun would share the same weakness of getting bonked on his big round head.

>>281557357
Voltman's so cool..feels like he's the final boss with that design.

>>281557357
Also as seen here, the title given is General of Fear, as opposed to Akuma Shogun.

Springman suffers from Yoda's condition where he's been alive for 4000 years but only now starts to feel old.

>>281557371
Siva his name is, Shiva no his name..

Mantaro's closest confidant that always found a way to support him even in his darkest hours and Meat.

>>281557386
Poor guy..no more spring in his step, just waiting to shuffle off his mortal coil..

Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Manga and wife.

>>281557401
So, Muscle Returns sort of happened but to Mantaro instead!

>>281557413
Thinking on it, that really is the shame with sequel series. Either you're like Meat, constantly being given the spotlight and overtaking scenes that should be devoted to new characters that can fill your role, or you're like Robin, casually written out of the story while people ask how your presence could have shaped it.

>>281557443
See, what they should have is a new character with Meat's role instead of just Meat..

>>281557296
https://youtu.be/QhsA9RarYmQ?si=p6AnvkvX2VqNSqez

>>281557189
>Quarrelman walked out on him a few months later

>>281557357
>Name written "the general of fear" in English
Guess all translations are wrong

>>281557371
>as opposed to Akuma Shogun.
No he went by two names during this entire story
During nisei he went by the pseudonym the General of Terror
Because for some reason they didn't want to call him Akuma Shogun
But occassionally they did confirm his real name is Akuma Shogun

General Terror seems to just be a "he who cannot be named" name

And, well, that's it for Kinnikuman Nisei's first run.

The Ultimate Chojin Tag series continued the series a few months after this part concluded, and Great All Out Chojin Assault ran concurrently between the two halves. Nisei ran from 1998 to 2011 for a total of 57 volumes, then the revival restarted the original series that autumn. Yudetamago has been making sequels to Kinnikuman for about 27 years straight now. How much longer do they have left in them? Hard to say. That being said, I'm glad to see that they can leave a legacy that goes beyond past successes and forges a new road ahead. Not many creators can say they did that.

I still like Mantaro.

>>281557518
>>281557541
Personally that's why I would have gone for another title. "Our Fearsome Leader", "The Dreaded Commander", "Terror Supreme". It would have at least tried to be a little surprising after all the suspicious silhouettes.

>>281557282
a "part 1" Kinnikuman movie should be a mix of the first chapters and the 20th olympics, ending with a tease of the 21st olympics and the devil chojin.

After everything we've seen, what are your takeaways from Nisei? How do you compare it to contemporary shonen manga, what areas do you think it did well, and what do you think could have improved it? There have been many answers already, but I would like to hear any closing comments after this long stretch of story.

>>281557556
I know we still have UTT storytime pending but still thanks for bringing more attention to this series, didn't noticed Revival lifespan already surpassed Nisei its going to be 15 years of it in 2026

>>281557809
Fights overall weren't as good as the revival
Most of the new characters were wasted

I'm rewatching the 4kids dub and it's pretty damn hilarious.

A lesson I take away from this manga that applies to many battle shonen is the feeling that everyone can be the hero of their own story. Having characters forced into positions to be support for the MC just feels draining, and I think Yudetamago must have seen that in the reception to Nisei. Check Mate, Terry the Kid, Gazelleman, Seiuchin, Jade, all these youngsters get defeated for the sake of hyping up the next big antagonist, only for Mantaro to power up and do a Muscle Millennium. The way characters like Big Body or Atlantis or Junkman get treated in the revival would normally be seen as insane for most series, but somehow they make them work. The world feels fuller, not in just that they have big lore drops featuring things you recognize, but characters have dynamics, grow, change, and learn to become better than they were before.

Yudetamago must have seen a bit of themselves in their work, after a string of axed series that could never reach the heights of Kinnikuman, and to say nothing of their contemporaries at the time. However, they eventually found their groove again and remembered how much fun creating manga is, and they're still going at it, finding new ways to bring back old ideas and freshen them up to feel exciting. I've only been a fan for about a year, but going on the journey and seeing a pair of high schoolers not only define, but redefine the entire medium is equal parts heartwarming and encouraging.

It's not about fancy bloodlines or cursed devil genes or lopsided relationships. There's always room to grow, there's always ways to get better. Don't feel like the world's ended just because you've made mistakes. You could wallow in despair for the rest of your life, or you can move on and make it a distant memory. That's the kind of lesson that should be taught in stories.

>>281558085
the sunshine vs thingman fight sums this up y=the best desu

>>281558085
What other shonen have their side characters get the spotlight?

>>281558189
One would argue Hunter x Hunter. We must understand every single person on that boat and their mindsets. If it were any other mangaka under any other deal, it would be seen as career suicide.

Alright, somebody finished it for me, that's probably better
Remember that we'll be doing Ultimate Tag in December or so

>>281547526
>One month-long fever
No wonder he doesn't want to fight Akuma Shogun again. Imagine being bed-ridden for an entire month!

>>281547663
>When the trolling is successful

>>281547836
What did The Man teach Akuma Shogun!?
Why are his followers like this?

>>281558392
Thanks OP
>>281557556
Thanks anonisei

>>281553574
His head kept jumping back to his body in the previous page.

>>281553619
NO
HARD
FEELINGS
AFTER
THE
MATCH
ENDS!

Don't let this distract you from the fact that Robin abused and abandoned his wife

>>281553674
Add another one to the titles pile.

>>281553749
...how?

>>281553798
>>281555380
He's a young man here. Still haven't been tempered by adulthood yet.

>>281553946
Rate the British choujins.

>>281554066
I mean, considering how Robin treats his wife afterward his protests are justified.

>>281554185
Alise is a real one.

>>281554249
>>281554270
Female choujin spotted!

>>281558560
Shiva is all about “My Ancestors” as he sees the Perfect Origin purge the Omegas to prevent power level entropy. After so many generations all he thinks is that pointless unsanctioned violence is what devils are all about.

Honestly that would make for a hell of a story, either Satan or a Satan wannabe keeps telling these fringe Brutal Chojin to return to some fabricated exaggerated sense of tradition in order to an amass a following, but things fall apart when they realize they believe in nothing and have little in common. False Devils that fight outside the ring and attack the audience have to face True Devils and experienced Justice Chojin who know they don’t have any real work ethic or passion behind their actions. Could work well in a Demon Seed featuring hardened veterans taking on the gimmicky new blood.

>>281554289
Even the servants are kneeling!

>>281554407
>Get killed because you were carrying a giant stone when you depowered.

>>281554609
Something that I found funny is how the age of choujin submitters increases with every series. From the original, to Nisei, to the revival.

>>281554853
Supermen wanting to fuck Earth women is a time-honored tradition!

>>281555449
I think that's the same in the raws.

>>281559418
Oh nevermind. Thought you meant the translation.

>>281557118
>I'll be the one to save the British public!
>And I'll make you happy too!

>proceeds to divorce and leave her behind in Africa after losing to Kinnikuman
>catches a lifelong exile from the UK
>runs away to the USA to fight Kinnikuman and proceeds to fake his own death
>instead of reuniting, trains Warsman to fight Kinnikuman
>proceeds to die in front of her as soon as Alisa arrives when she hears he's alive
It's rather funny how in a few years both of those promises go to hell. It's all Suguru's fault!

>>281555646
He only haggles the Japs. Like any good American.

>>281555580
Why is this choujin class-conscious?
I thought evil choujins hated everyone equally.

>>281558085
Very well said its funny looking at Yude and seeing how much they evolved compared to their contemporaries; Tsukasa Hojo went through his own Nisei phase with Angel Heart and now just sort of costs off the City Hunter brand not doing anything interesting with it, Tetsuo Hara and Buronson has essentially been rehashing the same manga with Souten no Ken but ts clear that their passion for the franchise is completely gone, before his death Akira Toriyama was essentially just using Dragon Ball Super a playground for his worst ideas and wasn't interested in evolving beyond the same formula, and Masami Kurumada just flat out drove Saint Seiya to the ground to the point where not even diehard fans want anything to do with it now. Here we are in 2025 where Kinnikuman is receiving its best material by the original creators and the fanbase coming be more overjoyed and that's only because their passion for the franchise got reignited after trudging it through the mud.

>>281557270
>Mantaro living out his father's dreams
>has both a Mari clone AND a Bibimba clone
haha holy shit

>>281557245
>We both like older women

>>281557556
Thanks man

>>281557270
>They wanted OG Kinnikuman to be even raunchier
Makes sense. Being much younger and all.

>>281557282
Man, think of all the manga Shimada had witnessed during his time.
>Wanting a live-action Kinnikuman
Let them have it. It's better than wanting to see CGI Mantaro taking a shit.

Was Terryman already reformed by this point? Why is he doing this for no pay if not?

>>281559728
His payment is the chance to fight Robin Mask, obviously.

>>281557556
Thx mate.
It was alright.

>>281559728
The aristocratic Robin family secretly paid Terry to do it.

It's kinda hilarious to see a 70s Evil Chojin acting more or less like 21st Century Justice Chojin in the Olympics

Most interesting thing about the interview for me is the mention of how they might have had to work while making manga.
It's funny because being published in Jump today is considered the most profitable path. As long as your series have a decent success you're pretty much set for life. It also shows how schedules weren't, or aren't, as brutal as we think they are.

>>281559814
I mean considering there's mangakas just taking hiatus after an arc just for research...probably not as brutal as back then back when mangakas have more than one publisher to work with.

>>281559814
These guys also said a few years ago that Jump was so brutal back in the day that if you didn't get the 1# ranking that week you essentially got nothing to eat that week.

>>281559814
It really depends on your time management skills, possible assistants and staff.
Hiro Mashima is a fucking monster and aged better than Tite Kubo, Kishimoto and Oda for example.

>>281559878
>Hiro Mashima
He constantly makes mistakes and has incredibly simplistic art. He's linework has also gotten way worse recently

>>281558085
It really is staggering to compare Nisei to the original and realize that aside from Demon Seed no supporting character gets a single win aside from Terry at the very start of the manga. The first devil choujin arc in the original I think is where Kinnikuman truly took off for me as something special in the sense that you'd almost never know who'd come out on top in the battles, there'd be twist and turns and final upsets going both ways which is entirely absent in Nisei because everyone always jobs terribly. I think the best example of Yude learning from this is the crazy upset of Black Hole's return in the revival, I don't think there's ever been a supporting character before or since who just straight up wins two fights in a row the way he does, and yet it's amazing and feels like great payoff.
Of course it's not just about winning or losing, Leopardon redeems himself entirely through not dying in 5 seconds and that's just as good, but the fact a one-time mook infamous for his previous results gets that kind of treatment really shows the difference in the two series and what makes one of them exciting and the other frustrating.

>>281559176
Jobber/10 thought I'm glad Union Jack has a nice side hustle when Marvel lets him down

Alright, let's say that instead of UTag, Nisei continues in the present
What redemption matches would you make, how and what would the opponents be like?
I'd probably keep Perfect Seiuchin

>>281560152
Actually give Mantaro a proper match..I'm really missing V-Jump Mantaro..yeah, sure he cowers in fear but he got the same thing Suguru had..the comeback. Plus, he has a plan and he will whip it out.

>>281558085
Brilliantly put. I think it is unreal how somebody can peak so early, flounder about with axed series and an inferior sequel, then successfully recapture that spark after learning from past mistakes and refine it into something that goes further beyond anything they've done. To me, that is more inspiring than any other success story.

>>281559869
They must be either happy or jealous that things have gotten much better.
>>281559878
Yeah, it's definitely a case-by-case basis. Just think it's funny that you don't hear about something like this today.

>>281559909
He's lost a lot of assistants recently. He basically downsized.

>>281560093
Even Suguru lost twice and it wasn't like it was against popular characters either.

Mantaro was better in all appearances that weren't the main Nisei manga.

>>281559909
Even if you keep up your health and get proper rest age does catch up to you eventually.

>>281560717
Mixer Tantei (with VTR assist) and.Prince Kamehame wasn't it?

>>281560740
So...the anime and the V-Jump manga?

>>281559498
Is the Souten no Ken continuation really that bad? Because that's a shame if so, I rather enjoyed the original run.

>>281561022
>Is the Souten no Ken continuation really that bad?
Its....OK but its essentially just FotNS again just set in Shanghai instead of desert wasteland, it doesn't do much to justify its existence but its not as bad as what's become of Saint Seiya and Dragonball.

>It is over. You have gone insane and killed your mother
>But father...
>It is no use, Shivason. I too am killing yooooooouuuuuu

Man...that sucked

>>281557189
thanks op and op substitute

>>281556807
Kevin is my favorite Nisei character so I'm biased when I say this, but it's less that he's annoying or even a bad character, it's that he catches flack because in a manga that a lot of people feel it's full of missed opportunities, we instead get to hear about how Kevin learnt about electroplating.

Alternatively, he'd be much better received by anons if the crowd wasn't the absolute worst.

>>281559102
masked choujin osmosis

>>281556807
>Kevin / Mantaro is a very funny rival dynamic that needed to be used more

No matter what anyone says, I like the older brother and annoying younger brother thing they've got going on when they aren't beefing.

Anybody got the page where Kevin bitches about the price of in-venue food?

>>281556807
>>hilariously mismanaged secondary cast, I really didn't expect Terryman's kid to be THIS irrelevant out of all people, but I'm kinda sad Wally never got action too


It's kinda funny in a way. Terry really didn't want to be like his dad, so he ended up doing so by not being a central figure to the Justice Chojin gang. It didn't help that Scarface having Double Toe Hold and Buffalo Branding, upgrades to Terryman techniques that Kid really should have thought of, made him look obsolete.


>>overall agree that Mantaro really feels too cowardly, Suguru's constant giving up was also annoying through the OG but he felt more consistent once the stakes were set

It's a side effect of Mantaro being the only one of the Justice gang to get fights. OG spread the wins out among the side cast with exceptions. Mantaro is the only one to fight and win in so much of Nisei that they can't have him develop out of being a coward TOO early because he's still the Gag Character Buttmonkey at the same time.

Gags are fine, but it's literally just mantaro most of the time, so there's this unsuccessful balancing act being done.


>>Kevin is really not a tenth as bad as you guys were constantly complaining about, I honestly don't know what the big deal is. Maybe I'll change my mind in the Utag storytime, but I was more annoyed with Warsman

Like other anons have said, the story bends over backwards to make sure he doesnt flat out loose or is right in tthe situation when he really shouldn't be. Him being number one in all but the last popularity poll of Nisei's original run most likely has something to do with that and it's more than most here would like.

>>281557057
>let him have a love interest that feels like she has faith in his ability to save the day even if she can't stand his immature side and doesn't recur to shitting on him constantly

It felt like Ikemen's sister was the closest thing to this. From the end of the olympics to the end of Demon Seed, it felt like she had more faith in Mantaro than Rinko did even when he did dumb shit. Meanwhile Rinko gets the love triangle with Jade out of nowhere, and constantly acts like She can't be seen with Mantaro and doesn't even care about him as a friend. It got really bad for her with the Final fight in the Demon Seed arc.

It's a shame too because they have that cute moment with her secretly checking up on him through articles about the BIS challenge and him ditching Royal stuff to go celebrate her birthday with her right before the Olympics start.

>>281556807
>People say Nisei is bad because it's edgy (not completely untrue), but I feel the series would be better if it was a more straightforward edgier take on Kinnikuman.

Nisei could have had something going if it used the fact that people and culture had gotten edgier between the end of the OG series to the start of Mantaro's story as a setting point.

>The Old Cast members, both Justice and Evil Chojin have certain ways and methods of doing things. Some of the new gen follow these ways but there are characters that think the old fashioned stuff doesn't cut it anymore. As a result, you have a lot of Justice and Idol Chojin that fight more violently than the ones in the past and dont seem that different from Evil Chojin. This is why there's more death in Nisei than the original.

>Characters like Kid, Kevin, and Shiva all reject the old rules of the ring to different degrees. Kid still has his complext about Terryman but it's mixed in with thinking about how "Lame" his dad was for not having a big flashy Finisher, something that was an actual complaint about the Terry family in the west when UM was airing. Kevin fights brutally. He's not EVIL per say but he's closer to Robin when he started trying to kill Suguru in the first olympics arc.

>Mantaro goes for the older ways, mainly because there's less of a chance of death, but occasionally slips into going harder when some techniques don't work. Jade and Seiuchin are in the same category. Those two get more wins but also their fights are harder because they aren't going for the kill, even with Jade having the Red Rain of Berlin.

>Big factor between old and new ways/rule is that the New mindset of 'Doesnt matter as long as an evil chojin loses' is that there's a higher chance of the job being done quicker. Because of this, the public is more accepting of death fights than before. Old ways are harder, but open up more paths for Redemption and Friendship Power to show and pay off.

>>281569815
Funny how the ones who do utilize the idea of old vs new style are the antagonists, it shows up as early as Checkmate's introduction.

>>281573179
He should see the popcorn and drink prices in American movie theaters.

>>281555352
Texas actually grows a fair amount of rice. It does end up having high arsenic levels though, due to how badly they've raped the land.

>>281494844
I can't believe no one pointed out that this page was posted on August 15th.

I'll miss the Boin Attack

https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/603961
A rather dedicated Jacquelinefag

>>281560093
What makes the revival is that each fight is a demonstration of everything about the character. Even when they lose they won, they redeemed themselves in some way. There's very rarely any shame in their loss, unless they break their own morals at some point during the fight.

>Someone randomly translated like the five most recent chapters
>Check it out
>Chaos just plainly breaking the timestream by teaching justice chojin new techniques early
>He's not even really hiding what he is, its just that everyone is too retarded to figure it out, even with Meat's 100000 IQ

Ngl, Nisei makes me wonder a little about Yudetamago's relationship with their dads because everyone was just a shit parent in this.

>>281578894
Makes me worry about their relationship with their kids if anything.

Thoughts?

I still like Rinko

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/30957822
Tarot cards

>>281579196
Cool.

>>281557556
Thank you for the storytime, OP.

>>281578894
Seems to be a pattern with older works in my limited experience.

>>281579079
Honestly, she and Mantaro always felt like close friends rather than boyfriend/girlfriend to me.

Storytime Favorites
>Mamothman
>Okan
>Muscle Siblings
>Voltman
Anybody I missed?

>>281585662
My man Ikemen, of course.

>>281585662
bone cold?

>>281578864
So is Nisei canon or not?

>>281586127
I think it's gonna be that Nisei is a very possible timeline. One that has the most chance of happening but not cemented as what will absolutely happen, if this makes sense.

>>281578894
Terryman seemed pretty good. The beef between him and Kid seems entirely one sided, because he's just mad that everyone saw him as Suguru's partner only. Despite that not exactly being the case

>>281585908
That's the Muscle Siblings

>>281586127
Yes and no

>>281553460 (OP)
good continue

>>281578894
Terryman wasn't.

>>281586423
>>281591628
Didn't he smack Terry for talking shit about Suguru? Not the worst parenting all in all, but also not the best.

>>281592220
Strictly average parenting.

>>281592220
He was talking shit about them both,

>>281554957
>So it's not Ultraman..it's Undoraman

They had to change it up eventually, the old Toei anime loop around by call that expy Utoraman instead of URUtoraman.

>>281554899
>Anime Toei filler

Yeesh

>>281555735
Mantaro sucked but Kevin Sucked harder morally.

>>281596738
It's the same as the manga panel

>>281597379
Show it then.

>>281554899
>I can't respect Beetles looking Robin

Then you missed the point.

>>281585662
Shivano, of course

> Be Alisa
> Marry a chojin
> He runs away to do some chojin shit and fucking dies
> He comes back
> Get back together and have his son
> Your son runs away, does some chojin shit and fucking dies
> Son comes back
> People wanting to kill your husband and son cause you to almost die

I hope Robin's dick is THAT good, otherwise her father was right, being married to a chojin sucks.

>>281585662
Were there any favorites in the revival?

>>281601223
Mr. Khamen bros...

>>281600000
>marries a choujin wrestler
>oh no his priority is choujin wrestling!
All married women in this series are real ones.
>>281601223
The top 4 are as they should be.

>>281601399
Its the fight that most resembles a Nisei fight
Basically a humiliation ritual

>>281601223
>Top ten votes are all fantastic picks
For once I applaud Japanese taste

>>281601223
Intredasting.

crazy how back then they were 17 when they started drawing manga
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w17had6dbZA
and vid related is them in their mid 20s

>>281605307
They've come a long way.