Thread 281662495

Read better manga if you really think that.

The whole point of mangadex in the first place was going legit, and controlling the manga subplebbit so all links were only allowed to go to mangadex.
When that plan failed and the publishers went for their own solutions instead, they basically put both mangadex and the manga subplebbit on life support, not doing anything else more than necessary, and making their own western comics and using mangadex as advertisement for that.
Now there are more of their shitty own comics from namicomi on their front page than actual manga.
The site is dead, plebbit is dead, and their shitty western comics were dead on arrival.
I honestly hope the site dies and that the subplebbit gets shut down, and nothing of value would be lost.

>>281662495 (OP)
>chapter 98 of [manga] just released
>Italian translation
>somehow 100 chapters are missing

the faq is the point of this site??

>>281662495 (OP)
Mangadex has no manga. Just like Index has no Index.

>>281662593
>moeshitter is retarded

>>281662558
This
They only removed licensed shounenshit

>>281662629
you didn't answer his question.

>>281662635
I think that's called a failed normalfag

>>281662495 (OP)
Certainly a bold move!

>>281662569
It never should have allowed webshit

>>281662776
honestly it should never have allowed gook shit and chink shit either

>>281662569
>Now there are more of their shitty own comics from namicomi on their front page than actual manga.
This shit is just sad, and the random shenanigans they pull to pump the ratings on the western slop is pretty funny. Right now they are shilling in the front page one westoid manga from namicomi with 3 ratings total, 2 6* and 1 2* and its somehow rated 8.06*

>>281662899
>and its somehow rated 8.06*
Everything starts at 8 by default and their rating system uses Bayesian averaging until a manga gets a couple thousand ratings, which essentially populates the score with dummy ratings so it's less turbulent. You can hover over to see the true rating. Been like this since day 1 for literally every series.

>>281663002
I knew it used bayesian but I didnt know it needed thousands of votes to start rating properly around it

>>281662899
I think the saddest part is how they're using the biggest manga community for their own agenda. Even sadder that people haven't reacted against it. They furiously now don't allow posting to comick for instance. It'd disgusting.

>>281662569
>the manga subplebbit
what the fuck are you saying

>>281663057
The manga subplebbit forces uploaders there to exclusively upload to mangadex to promote mangadex.
This has become very apparent lately since the mod there (there's only one mod) removes any posts to other places besides cubari.
So basically Mangadex has hijacked the biggest community for manga for their own interests.

>>281663157
They hire troon mods

>>281662711
>vtrooner reaction image

>>281663195
>[incoherent closet homosexual noises]

>>281662569
Things were fucked when Billibilli used them to platform all of their dogshit manwah. Anyone remember the worse old days before you could filter by national origin and the front page was just FLOODED by chapter an hour uploads for multiple thousand chapter manhwas

>>281662776
>>281662803
Unironically ban page a day and all longstrip and things would have been great

>>281663051
>They furiously now don't allow posting to comick for instance
What do you mean by that? They're banning uploaders from posting to both sites now? If so that's goddamn pathetic

>>281663038
Anon, that’s how bayesian averages work by the way.

>>281663515
God that was a horrible time right after they took half a year to recover from hombre...

>>281663394
yeah NTA but you got btfo'd hard
stay in your containment board cancer

>>281663544
No, they're banning people who links to comick, and finding all kinds of shitty excuses to do so.
So if you want to post something that's only posted on comick, you need to either post it as a gallery, or make a cubari link.
It's stupid but it is what it is. It's disgusting that mangadex is using the manga subplebbit for their own ends, but it is what it is. That's plebbit in a nut shell I guess, everyone is just using the different subplebbits for their own agendas. The front page of plebbit is basically just bot fueled propaganda these days.

>>281662495 (OP)
There are a ton of other websites where you can read manga with way more manga and more up to date.
Why do people suddenly act like it's impossible to find anything just because mangadex deleted a bunch of shit?
Do people really not know how to google or look further than the first result or use apps like mihon?

>>281663157
And why should we care about it?

>>281664622
People have flocked to comick and weeb central mainly. There they can find rips of official releases as well. So honestly the only thing the industry did was shooting themselves in the foot.
It's a bit more of a pain to upload for scanlators though, you have to manually get upload rights on discord for comick and weeb central doesn't allow user uploads, and batoto is batoto.
I made a new user on mangadex that I solely use with vpn for uploads. I'll probably just do that until I figure out something better. At least it's scraped by comick and all the relevant aggregators almost immediately.

>>281664695
Why shouldn't we care that mangadex uses the biggest manga community for their own agenda? They're ruining it for the entire manga community for their own benefit. How you can't see that's a bad thing for everyone including us is beyond me.

>>281665104
The western "manga community" needs some culling. If you only use reddit or just read what's on the front page of Mangadex then you're cancer. Even a lot of people on /a/ are completely inept at finding manga to read.

>>281664525
You sure are obsessed with reddit lol

>>281665195
I've been reading manga longer than you've been alive.

>>281665285
>doesn't deny what I said
You've been shit at reading manga for however that's been. I don't believe someone reading manga for over 30 years would fund manga solely through reddit or whatever is being shilled on reading sites.

>>281665195
>If you use reddit at all, ever, or...
Fixed that for you.

>>281662495 (OP)
It's their fault for hosting gookshit.

>>281666593
I scanlate the manga you read your fucking retard.

>>281667585
I don't read the shit reddit obsesses over or the garbage that gets shilled by MD. And I've been reading less and less manga in English recently anyway. Would be funny if you posted what manga you scanlate though for a laugh. I'll admit if I read any of them in English (though I imagine I wouldn't have read them at all).

Refusal to make a sister site for korean manwha led korean lawyers to them. Japan doesn't actually bother much with gaijins, but the koreans go hard

So where did most scanlation migrate to? I saw some of them directly uploading to comick

>>281668036
Comick was probably the most successful popular alternative, some just continued uploading to mangadex even though they’ll be removed later (but they still get scraped), I guess some like mangago and batoto, and the rest on cubari gists with catbox.

>>281668028
>but the koreans go hard
I still don't get this. Gook shit is garbage. I don't get people interested in it, and I don't get why they're so defensive of it.
Gook shit should just be left alone honestly.

>>281662495 (OP)
Still no new Mangadex!?

>>281668754
>I don't get people interested in it
>people

its all 13yos and whamen, they're SLURPING that shit

>>281668834
>13yos and whamen
>whamen
Seems like you’re the 13 year old

>>281669018
at least he didn't use female

>>281669018
someone is malding ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>281669172
If you go back to /v/ they’ll be happy to do it with you too

>>281662495 (OP)
i'll never forgive them
i haven't used my firstname.surname email since the breach
of course its my fault for registering an account there with my primary email but still, fuck mangadex

what is there to be mad about, the places like the manga reddit can't feasibly link outright pirate websites that host official licensed TLs before getting shut down. Mangadex was a gray area that the publishers have nuked.

>>281662495 (OP)
Cut off one head and two more shall take its place

>>281669800
Mangadex has never been a grey area, it has always been as illegal as all the other ones. They just delusionally think they're in the morally right, when the dmca showed that they were in fact delusional.

>>281662495 (OP)
>BL mostly untouched
Heh nothing of value was lost.

>>281662635
that's absolutely not true

>>281663778
…cope?

>>281670114
they removed a third of their total manga
a lot more than just shounen shit

>>281669388
>since the breach
What? You reused your password and don't have 2fa on your email?
Or are you unironically scared of other people googling your email and finding out it's been associated with mangadex?
Also why would any sane person need a mangadex account in the first place?

>>281671445
You need an account to upload.

>>281664622
>websites
everything sucks really

very manga

>>281662495 (OP)
its mainly full of twitter and pixiv trash now

>>281662495 (OP)
"Buy an ad."

>comick
yikes

>>281662495 (OP)
Yar har har har! No.

>>281662803
>gook shit and chink shit
Made all the manga crawler sites shit.
And the way they tag stuff, you can't even filter that sewage in search.
The cherry on top, if when you can't even look stuff up by the japanese tittle.

>>281662635
explain why my comfy seinen shit is all gone then because that's all i read

>>281675003
>unicorn
>rainbow horn
>troon colored
this is so bad on so many levels

>>281662495 (OP)
A reminder that Zeph is a faggot.

>>281675536
that guy's a faggot, they hit more or less anything
and even though they hit like only a third of the content on mangadex, for most people it seems like a lot more since it was the more popular things they hit
a lot of people have more than half of their library removed

>>281675003
I'm still
STILL
STILL MAD
That I can't read in two page formats.
Also trying to throttle me into joining the site for more promiscuous shit. I'm so fucking over it.

if it's not saved to a local drive it's not in your library

>>281664622
Normies barely know how to use google or find out anything by themself. Just look at how many reddit or quora threads there are for the most basic shit you could find out in 3 seconds.
Or how many people still keep asking for source all the time when there are multiple image searches built into basicly everything.

I just use mihon on my tablet and ereader, you get hundreds of sources and can download everything easily.
I have no idea how people can stand reading on their PC.

>>281676675
most people read manga on their phones anon...

>>281676866
and it still blows my mind that they do that. i've looked at how my releases look on a 6.5" screen and it is not great
korean phone manhwa i understand but full page manga on a tiny screen is an aberration

>>281675332
You know what the worst part is,I've started to see more and more Jap flavored longstrip slop creeping in. We're starting to get to the point where there's no escape

>>281677214
how many years away are we from all these webtoons being written an drawn by AI? given how they all have the same story and art style, it cant be that far away

>>281677138
>korean phone manhwa i understand
i dont, half the panels are too long for your phone

>>281668028
If the Koreans went after them, why were tons of Japanese series nuked?

>>281676866
..and millions of people voted for the orangeman. Doesn't make it the sensible thing to do.

>>281662495 (OP)
>dont pay for something
>dont get it
The world is healing

>>281662495 (OP)
They are unironically trying to become the Crunchyroll of manga.
Ya'll do remember Crunchyroll used to be a pirate site, right?

just learn japanese

>>281680598
Correct answer. I just read raws for anything I'm really interested in. Only real problem I have is I probably miss out on a lot of stuff since I always forget/fail to bookmark good places to source them

>>281680985
bookwalker.jp

>Publishers won't translate a manga unless it's popular
>it won't get popular unless it's translated
Without piracy the whole manga industry is dead everywhere not named Japan

>>281681050
And France.

>>281681021
Yeah I guess I could do that. I didn't mean paying for them but with the yen being fucking worthless it's not like it really costs anything

>>281662569
>that plan failed
nice

>>281681056
It's fine in asia and maybe italy as well, I guess. Really, it's mainly the english speaking countries that get fucked.

>>281681050
The manga industry outside of Japan (, France, Germany and Italy) is fairly dead.
The English ones were capable of selling manga in the 90s and early 2000s before scanlation exploded.

>>281681112
Mainland Chinese market is pretty bad as well. They managed to turn anime piracy into a profitable business but haven't achieved the same for manga.

>>281681137
It's more that asian markets are rather fragmented. Taiwan has its own publishers, Hong Kong also has its publishers, Singapore has its own publishers (well it did, I remember Chuang Yi died off and is now some shogakukan subs handing it). And that's just the ones handling mandarin releases. You also have random stuff like Indonesia releasing their own stuff and so on.

In the case of mainland china, it's more that they're currently trying to push for their own stuff, their local manhua and that stuff. I recall that back in the batoto days, part of the inclusion of webmanga was also because the chinese were offering deals to have sites host plus provide translation for their stuff.

So in the end HOMBRE saved us all, it killed their momento, revived scanlator blogs, popularized the discord channels and gave birth to multiple alternatives.

>>281681316
kek
funny how life works

>let's allow non-japanese manga and non-english scanlation!
fucking retards
they opened the flood gate
they went too greedy like Tekkadan
身の程知らず

>>281681316
Yes. Hombre is a hero

>>281681050
the manga industry was doing fine before widespread piracy

>>281681316
HOMBREEEEEEEEEEE

>>281681316
I'm all for killing the Dex but don't act like we're not inundated with AI shitlation now

How expensive would be to start a new open-source mangadex? The concept is still great. Anyone can upload and if its copyrighted just take it down as scrappers will do its job.

Its undeniable that mangadex format helped a lot of manga to get translated and allowed autists and poor sons with sick mothers all around the world to start their own solo TLs.

>>281681366
>>281681375
Got more?

>Self Published
>Country: England
Isn't this just a webcomic?

>>281681498
That's exactly what mangadex was doing but publishers got together and nuked the site with thousands of simultaneous DMCAs. No pirate site will last forever.

>>281681433
The translations were shit before. Japanese is the only way forward.

>>281681413
When was this fabled time before widespread piracy? I don't know if physical manga piracy was ever a widespread thing in the US but at the time when it would have to have been over digital stuff you would have been getting flipped bullshit.

>>281681642
I first knew piracy when I was 1st year middle school, so 12 years old or 17 years ago.
Before that I used to go to a bookstore and buy tankobon manga monthly from mainstream to niche, like Dragon Ball, Conan, One Piece, Naruto, YAIBA, YuYu Hakusho, Let's & Go, Aegis in the Dark, Black Butler, Fight Ippo, Law of Ueki, Doraemon, Shinchan, Kobo-chan, Miiko, Kungfu Boy Chinmi, Gash Bell, Grander Musashi, Rakugaki Fighter, Crush Gear, Gundam SEED, Gundam Wing Side Story G-Unit and so on.
But online manga piracy killed the physical manga scene here except short shoujo manga because only girls actually spend money on physical manga. There are still mainstream manga sold as premium goods for collectors. my point is, buying physical manga is no longer the main method of reading manga since piracy became a thing.

>>281681762
In Japan commercial digital releases dominate the market but overseas digital is a small fraction.

>>281681762
So you're trying to argue that even after the internet was fairly in use that it wasn't until later that manga piracy took off. And actually I see that you say 17 years ago, so 2008. I was already pirating Jojo before that, and One Piece. Your personal experience of finding piracy that late doesn't mean that's when it just started existing.

And while I'm not one of those people that believes all manga popularity stems from piracy letting people know about things, it definitely is a factor. If you completely wiped out piracy I'm sure it would have a negative impact on the industry because people just wouldn't know about as much as they do when they can try things out for free first.

>>281681784
Maybe because non-japanese don't like buying digital since we have the mindset of digital anime/manga = can be easily pirated = free. and only buy physical for collecting purposes.

>>281662495 (OP)
>Go on Mangadex
>See a bunch of Twitter Manga's made by people who don't want you to realize they aren't japanese until they've hit a follower threshold
>There's one comic that's just a one-off fan comic of a stick figure animation

Normally I wouldn't mind if a webcomic isn't drawn the best if the writing is good but fuck man there needs to be some quality control. One can only handle so many "I read Dog Nigga" webcomics

>>281681848
without piracy, "problematic" japanese contents would've been naturally gatekept and legally stayed in Japan. which would be a good thing since there'd be no pressure for censorship from baka gaijin parasites. In the end, piracy killed the soul of this medium

>>281681871
Digital anime distribution is successful. Crunchyroll is an established brand and other players like Netflix or Disney+ also want their share.
Other media like music or games also have reasonable success with digital. It's mainly manga that falls flat and has to resort to bankruptcy tier solutions like MangaPlus to gain any sort of traction at all.

>>281681894
I love people like you who think everyone in Japan is fine with that kind of content. That it's definitely the US' fault and not Japanese people and the even more censorship prone China and South Korea. Especially when it comes to manga that doesn't even get translated in the US. Like the recent Ruri no Houseki stuff, where people point out that after the beginning of the manga the fanservice basically goes away. That series isn't translated into English and nobody in the west even knew about it until the anime. But they still apparently had someone from the US in the publisher's office holding a gun to their heads and telling them to remove the panty shots.

>>281681626
no it wasnt, as stated multiple times their plan has always been to go legit

>>281678986
>suddenly American politics
Kill yourself

>>281681950
What you want us to actually understand the complexity an issue instead of just wielding our specific cultural grievances onto forign media

>>281662495 (OP)
>Ask for donation anyway

>>281681762
Companies failing to capitalize on the digital distribution boom is not the users problem, Nips had years to come up with something yet they prefer archaic methods like selling tokens to read chapters and wonder why they fail. Kadokawa and others should just give up and copy netflix like Jump did if they can't find a better model and don't get me started on the censorship and quality of translations. The reason piracy thrives is because they offer an outright better service and quality product for free.

>>281682529
>Kadokawa and others should just give up and copy netflix like Jump
Kadokawa has offered a subscription that goes beyond their own magazines. Shueisha has nothing but coins.

>>281682619
Kadokawa isn't even limiting their magazines to their own service.
Shueisha does has Grand Jump and Cocohana available.

>>281681498
I'm currently building a distributed version based off IPFS. The idea is to have a single easily served browser client which caches files on-device and contributes it to the network. Of course a server is still maintained to ensure availability but ideally for more popular titles the load is eased. No idea how to implement governance or incentivise people actually keeping files on their devices though.

>>281681316
>popularized the discord channels
That's bad. Discord is a black hole.

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>>281674999
do something about the spam up on /a/ mods or this will continue

>>281682529
>just give up and copy netflix
worked wonders for the tv and film industry

>>281681202
Most Taiwanese manga fans know Japanese, use the Japanese services or buy imported.

>>281682529
Subscription models for translated manga have been tried by various companies without notable success. Manga Plus has to give everything away for free to stop people from pirating.

>>281664622
>Why do people suddenly act like it's impossible to find anything just because mangadex deleted a bunch of shit?
It was the main site for scanlators

>>281681498
>How expensive would be to start a new open-source mangadex
starting isn't what's expensive, although you still need someone to write you software
it's operating it that's expensive
are you capable of fronting a $100 000 monthly server bill?
internet isn't strained from air, somebody needs to pay for it

>>281683599
>I'm currently building a distributed version based off IPFS.
that sounds cool, but also very experimental

>>281684171
That's what makes it fun.

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>>281684008
Ok. it looks like the mods don't want to remove off topic shit so the board can suffer then