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Anonymous No.281721879 [Report] >>281721970 >>281722008 >>281722043 >>281723051 >>281723123 >>281724486 >>281724775 >>281724814 >>281725030 >>281725909 >>281726377 >>281726773 >>281726780 >>281727756 >>281729245 >>281731797 >>281733639 >>281734116 >>281734137 >>281734403 >>281735713 >>281735774 >>281736068 >>281737649 >>281741803 >>281744058 >>281745108
Texhnolyze
What am I in for?
Anonymous No.281721924 [Report] >>281722008 >>281737449
For something way too complex for modern /a/’s shounen-wired brains.
Anonymous No.281721970 [Report] >>281722043 >>281722043
>>281721879 (OP)
It's great.
Just don't expect satisfying fights.
Anonymous No.281722008 [Report] >>281745906
>>281721879 (OP)
Brown/grey mafiaslop with no characters and no animation. I was memed into wasting my time with this. Just watch Baccano! or Gungrave

>>281721924
Literally Naruto in just the first arc of Naruto has more complex characterization than Ichise's entire "arc"
>wow... i thought my father was bad... but... i was mistaken ...
Anonymous No.281722043 [Report] >>281722171 >>281722243 >>281731301
>>281721879 (OP)
>>281721970
>>281721970
Why does some random Final Fantasy villain come out of nowhere at the end?
Anonymous No.281722171 [Report] >>281724648 >>281727025
>>281722043
No one knows, because no one likes this anime. I've never actually seen someone discussing it in detail in my 12-13 years on /a/. It's an actual example of teenagers pretending liking something because they perceive that it makes them seem higher brow or more intelligent.
Anonymous No.281722243 [Report] >>281722462
>>281722043
>random
You weren't paying attention. Watch it again.
Do shounen tards need to be shown and reminded of things every episode in order to comprehend the world the anime is presenting?
Anonymous No.281722462 [Report] >>281722867 >>281731301
>>281722243
>no explanation
>random insults
>"shounen tards"
Can't tell if you're parodying "fans" of this slop or actually being serious. Literally no one knows or cares who "Kano" is. Actually good stories have memorable and well characterised villains or antagonists.
Anonymous No.281722627 [Report]
WHIRRRRRRRR CRGNK CRGNK
Anonymous No.281722867 [Report] >>281723067
>>281722462
Why do you need an explanation? Unless you didn't watch it?
Anonymous No.281723051 [Report] >>281724515 >>281728386
>>281721879 (OP)
The start is SLOW. The creators even said they wanted to turn away the average viewer or something.
Fucking masterpiece.
Anonymous No.281723067 [Report] >>281732873
>>281722867
When people actually like things, they're open to explaining them or getting into specifics when defending them. The thing is, no one actually likes this show, that's why all of its shills are only able to reply "ur stupid lol" to anyone questioning its reputation. It's just posturing for insecure teens.
Anonymous No.281723123 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
>tldr depression
also check for the parallels with the the modern world (not just the japanese society)
Anonymous No.281724486 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
Doom and gloom
Anonymous No.281724515 [Report]
>>281723051
>The creators even said they wanted to turn away the average viewer or something.
Where did they say this? I've seen this get claimed once or twice but I never saw something like this in the interviews or something.
To the contrary, the writer of the show admitted on its 20th anniversary that it was too hard to follow and it was a failure in that regard or something.
Anonymous No.281724648 [Report] >>281729360
>>281722171
I kinda like it, but it's not in my top 20, guess the most powerful thing here is hedonism that led to extinction, also the voice of city or how it called
Anonymous No.281724775 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
good atmosphere, but a boring story
it's the kind of thing you watch late at night while stoned
Anonymous No.281724814 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
Probably a disappointment.
Anonymous No.281725030 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
I love gency
Anonymous No.281725909 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
Transhumanism
Anonymous No.281726377 [Report] >>281726569
>>281721879 (OP)
Pain, but in a cathartic way
Anonymous No.281726569 [Report] >>281726585
>>281726377
Konaka, the main writer, retweeted a variation of this meme.
Anonymous No.281726585 [Report] >>281726602 >>281731305
>>281726569
I think I like this version better, now that I think about it.
Anonymous No.281726602 [Report]
>>281726585
This was the one I think.
Anonymous No.281726773 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
Like 5 episodes of "lmao the fuck is this", followed by like 12 episodes of a lame gangs movie, followed by like 4 episodes of some scifi bullshit, basically 3 different shows in 1.
Anonymous No.281726780 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
Cinema.
Also moe. Lots of moe.
Anonymous No.281727025 [Report] >>281737435
>>281722171
Hey new guy, we've been having consistent bump limit Texh threads almost bimonthly for ages now.
Anonymous No.281727076 [Report] >>281727188
I watched the first 4 episodes and nothing justified how long things took to happen in that time so I dropped it.
Anonymous No.281727098 [Report] >>281727188
Zoom zooms can't fathom proper world building
Anonymous No.281727188 [Report]
>>281727076
You should have tried 5 too. The end scene of 5 is one of my favorite scenes ever
>>281727098
But also this. A lot of things and a lot of important things happen in episode 1 lol
Anonymous No.281727756 [Report] >>281728626
>>281721879 (OP)
Mindbroken lolis
Anonymous No.281728386 [Report] >>281729301
>>281723051
>The start is SLOW.
Slow like Lain or slow like Ergo Proxy?
Anonymous No.281728626 [Report]
>>281727756
Hug Ran tightly
Anonymous No.281729245 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
Best sleep you've had in your life.
Anonymous No.281729301 [Report] >>281730054
>>281728386
Ergo Proxy isn't slow in the start, it gets slow slightly later.
Anonymous No.281729360 [Report]
>>281724648
>hedonism led to extinction
No it didn't? People forgetting their humanity in the pursuit of perfection/transcendence led to extinction.
Anonymous No.281729864 [Report]
the anime version of a person using a big word to sound smart and pronouncing it wrong
Anonymous No.281730054 [Report]
>>281729301
I differ on that point from your statement sir.
Anonymous No.281730420 [Report] >>281731337
The first ep has zero dialogue for 15~ minutes. Keep that in mind, they do talk later on. A lot.
Anonymous No.281731225 [Report]
Ichise punching things randomly for 22 episodes.
Anonymous No.281731301 [Report] >>281731510 >>281731742 >>281733639 >>281737435 >>281738394 >>281742556
>>281722043
>>281722462
The characters basically all represent different philosophical outlooks. Ran's followers adhere to a sort of determinism or calvinism. Doc is a Nietzschean character who is trying to create the ubermensch via texhnolyzation and therefore prevent human extinction; the surface people are the Last Men, who no longer try to evolve or do anything dangerous, and that's what Yoshii is trying to prevent. Onishi and Shinji broadly represent the extremes fascism (esp. in a Japanese way) and libertinism.

Kano himself is obviously solipsism, i.e. the idea that nothing outside your own mind can be proved to exist. Ran on the other hand is the collective unconscious that took human form through texhnolyzation and raffia, so she's basically his complete opposite, as she's connected to everything and can see past her own present experience.

Ichise, the protagonist, represents the body in a physical, political and philosophical way; he's a proletarian in the truest sense, only able to persist through the selling of his own body (fighting and prostitution) completely alienated from everything including his own family history, basically just part of the "masses" to be used. The story kicks off when he loses his arm and leg due to an act of bodily self-defense, and then is texhnolyzed by Doc, entering society proper and forming a mental bond with Ran. His last great act is being able to use texhnolyzation independently of the obelisk that houses Ran's mind therefore proving Doc right.

Kano, being solipsism, doesn't care one bit about the body. His plan for human evolution is to turn people into just brains, as in the "brain in a vat" thought experiment. This includes Ran; notice that Ichise has the exact same type of guttural response to seeing Ran without a body as he does when he loses his limbs.

Texhnolyze is about the body, its relation to the mind, and the horror of being a cyborg.
Anonymous No.281731305 [Report]
>>281726585
I remember it took me over a week to watch the first five episodes and then less than a week to watch the rest of the series.
Anonymous No.281731337 [Report] >>281738335
>>281730420
I think one of the sub groups just released the raw because there was nothing to subtitle.
Maybe that was just a rumor.
Anonymous No.281731510 [Report] >>281731742 >>281733639 >>281735905 >>281737435 >>281738394 >>281742610
>>281731301
Also note that while Ichise does die, his ending is not necessarily a sad one as he achieved amor fati (love of fate, being made flesh through Ran). In a Nietzschean or existential reading, he's the only character who's an actual hero, which is why the penultimate episode starts as a movie mythologizing him and he carries out an inverted hero's journey by going to the "Hades" of the surface world where the soulless living exist.

People sometime postulate Yoshii as a Nietzschean hero but in reality he explicitly tells Ran not to tell him or anybody else what his fate is. Ichise on the other hand doesn't desist when Ran tells him his fate is as bad as it could possibly get. This is also why there are allusions to cycles by the Gabe people.

To quote The Gay Science:
>What if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness, and say to you, "This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence" ... Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: "You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine."

This is what the flower in the ending (Ran) represents. Ichise having that thing that made life worth it.

Like other Chiaki Konaka heroes his main quest is about self-knowledge and therefore knowledge about his world.
Anonymous No.281731742 [Report] >>281731825
>>281731510
>>281731301
Very good posts, but why no spoiler tags?
Anonymous No.281731797 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
absolutely nothing
say it again
Anonymous No.281731825 [Report] >>281732686
>>281731742
My apologies, I'm exhausted from work so being considerate to OP slipped my mind.
Anonymous No.281732686 [Report]
>>281731825
No worries, anon-san. Rest well.
Anonymous No.281732833 [Report] >>281732873 >>281732921
it's an amazing show but it's also an exceedingly simple show
don't believe pseuds who babble about how complex it is, literally just listen to what the characters are saying and watch what happens on the screen
Anonymous No.281732873 [Report] >>281737435
>>281723067
I don't need to explain shit to you, retard.
>>281732833
This, most stories are, the global IQ just dropped so fucking low nowadays that they can't even think about what they saw on screen.
Anonymous No.281732921 [Report] >>281732964 >>281733014 >>281737435
>>281732833
>it's also an exceedingly simple show
Not really. It makes a bunch of references to a lot of things most people will not get. At its core it's a speculative fiction work and should be taken as such; it's not a show about giving you answers to things, it's mostly posing questions and letting scenarios unfold.

You are correct that it's something that needs to be *experienced* first rather than analyzed and you'll miss the point if you're not looking at it with your own eyes, but it's not at all a "simple" show, it's one of the most artistically-oriented, complete and serious animation pieces out there.
Anonymous No.281732964 [Report]
>>281732921
You just made all of this up.
Anonymous No.281733014 [Report]
>>281732921
im mostly speaking about the sort of "plot complexity scale" that is inferred collectively in places like /a/
complex or simple as I put it is basically how hard you have to pour over the actual text in order to get at what the show is trying to say. Penguindrum and Utena are good examples, I like both but going solely experiential with them will have you easily miss the actual focus, shit like the apple metaphor is pretty obtuse, and so is keeping track of all the fate transfers or the duellist's relationships.
What you speak of is what people usually use "depth" as a scale for. I agree Texh is pretty deep
Anonymous No.281733639 [Report] >>281735591
>>281721879 (OP)
Episode 1 is one of the most interesting and atmospheric setups I've experienced in an anime. I lost interest hard for a while when it gets into crime drama but pushed through on the recommendation of a friend. Episode 19 is so sublime that I consider every boring part to retroactively be justified.
The ending is incredibly sad, but good.
I can't promise the whole thing will be worth your time, but I came away glad I experienced it, if only to reach e19 with full context.
>>281731301
>>281731510
Good posts.
Anonymous No.281734116 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
you'll get filtered.
Anonymous No.281734137 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
everyone dies
Anonymous No.281734403 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
An appreciation for classic 20th century art.
Anonymous No.281735591 [Report]
>>281733639
>it gets good 19 episodes in
Damn, being a hipster is hard work.
Anonymous No.281735713 [Report] >>281736048
>>281721879 (OP)
Great angst, lots of complex and selfish characters, decent cyberpunk themes, and a lot of people dying. Don't expect much meaning beyond the standard "violence creates violence" and "human nature is bad". But still, great series, one of my top twenty for sure.
Anonymous No.281735774 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
a treatise on the aesthetically best way to die when death is inevitable and unavoidable
Anonymous No.281735905 [Report] >>281740024
>>281731510
It was Yoshii who showed amor fati and Ichise who failed to. On the train, Yoshii's reflection stares directly at him as he tells Ran not to share his fate (a sign of self awareness). Throughout the story, Yoshii is never lost or confused of what to do next. Even when his plans go awry he continues to act and as he died he had the same mirthful smirk as he did on the train. Ichise on the other hand, was lost when he spoke with Ran. He was someone who needed fate as a guide and Ran saw that with guidance he could bring a positive future. Her prophecy was hope and a purpose Ichise desperately needed as someone who had always been living to survive. Yet he abuses this hope as he acts out against Ran's guidance and towards a fate that ultimately dooms him and Ran, which is why she becomes afraid of him. His failure is his inability to change; instead of living for a purpose, for fate, he remains a dog, acting to survive and causing more strife to avenge his past. The final scene wasn't a celebration but a clinging to the dying and only hope he ever had to live happily, which he failed to act upon. Yoshii on the other hand, loved and was in tune with his fate and didn't cling to anything. It did not matter whether or not he succeeded because amor fati is love for fate in the face of anything especially existential nothingness, or the fact that all our actions may be meaningless. Yoshii shows an awareness of the existential dread posed by Nietzsche. He talks of freedom as something that cannot rely on anything, which implies that death is true freedom. When he is close to killing Onishi he taunts him, telling him he would be better off dead. Then his killing of the prostitute feels merciful and he seems to do it as a mercy kill. This evidence indicates Yoshii has a sense of nihilism, yet his actions and goals are affirming of life. This shows that he, like the Nietzschean ubermensch, loves fate even knowing the wisdom of Silenus.
Anonymous No.281736048 [Report]
>>281735713
Damn, one of the lowest iq takes itt, and we had zoomies bitching about how slow and pretentious it is for the first few posts, impressive.
Anonymous No.281736068 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
weebcult teenagers from X that hate otakus love this one for some reason, so i think it's a bad start already
Anonymous No.281737145 [Report]
It's beautiful and slow moving
Ignore what the tards here say
Anonymous No.281737435 [Report] >>281737490 >>281743919
>>281732873
>I don't need to explain shit to you
More like you can't
>>281727025
No you haven't, new guy. I've been here since pseud culture revolved around Kenji the Engi/cuppy. No one has ever discussed Texhnolyze, because no one actually likes it.

>>281731301
>>281731510
None of this is convincing, it's just a bunch of subtext. Subtext only works when the text is good. None of the characters in Texhnolyze have complexity or depth, none of the scenes or story beats are particularly well-directed or well written. If your explanation for why fiction is good reads like a non-fiction essay, it's not a good story.

>>281732921
>it's one of the most artistically-oriented, complete and serious animation pieces out there
It barely even has any animation
Anonymous No.281737449 [Report] >>281737462
>>281721924
what makes it so complex compared to other shows?
Anonymous No.281737462 [Report]
>>281737449
The main character monologues at the end that he hated his dad at first but then realised he was wrong

10/10 complexity, totally not outdone by Pokemon episodes
Anonymous No.281737490 [Report]
>>281737435
Seriously? Get over yourself, bro. There are dozens of people who have written dense analysis about this show. You think they're all pretending to like it and that no one can enjoy this show genuinely?
Anonymous No.281737649 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
Gay incest sex.
Anonymous No.281738335 [Report]
>>281731337
No, they do speak later in the episode
Do you remember which subgroup it was?
Anonymous No.281738394 [Report] >>281738424
>>281731301
>>281731510
I'm glad this place can still sometimes have good analysis of anime. Thank you for this Anon
Anonymous No.281738424 [Report] >>281738450
>>281738394
Notice how the replies aren't actually discusisng or adding anything, just giving reddit upvotes "Based, such epic analysis anon!" "Good post!". No one actually likes this show.
Anonymous No.281738450 [Report] >>281738712 >>281742860
>>281738424
Replies aren't adding anything because it's not a great analysis, just good. If you're so insistent on shitting on this show, tell me something about it that makes you curious and I'll debate it with you.
Anonymous No.281738460 [Report] >>281738674
Great OST too.
Anonymous No.281738674 [Report]
>>281738460
Just reminded me how great the op was

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u3SzOzm8lmo&pp=ygUNVGV4aG5vbGl6ZSBvcA%3D%3D
Anonymous No.281738712 [Report] >>281738754
>>281738450
No.
Anonymous No.281738754 [Report] >>281738879
>>281738712
Notice how you can't actually point out anything. Your dislike isn't substantial.
Anonymous No.281738879 [Report] >>281738930 >>281742860
>>281738754
Nta but let me break it down for you zommie, this is one of the best anime nah fuck that... one of the best TV anything most people have watched an this is known.
If you want to bring any criticism at the table it is on you because you have to watch the whole show to form an opinion. We could tell you what the main good points and attractions of the show are (it's atmosphere, slow pacing, philosophy, ideas, world building, art references, ending etc) and then you come back with it is "boring" or whatever we are just going to call you a faggot and just make fun of you.
Anonymous No.281738930 [Report]
>>281738879
Learn to read or keep track of conversations stupid nigger, you're replying to the wrong guy
Anonymous No.281740024 [Report] >>281742860
>>281735905
>Yoshii's reflection stares directly at him as he tells Ran not to share his fate
Again, Nietzsche directly poses the scenario of having to know your fate. Yoshii strictly rejects this. The prototype of the Nietzschean ideal is Achilles who does know his fate, does angst over it, but chooses his fate over what would simply be more secure. Yoshii thought knowledge of his fate would destroy him, which it doesn't do Ichise.

Yoshii is an example of the transformation of values, but he doesn't *create* new ones. Again, it's Doc that's actually trying to create new humans (and technically succeeds). Yoshii is entirely destructive; he took the values of the surface and turned them on their head. Yoshii is not trying to prepare anything for the ubermensch, he's just lashing out. To quote Monogatari he has the mentality of "If you can't be medicine, be poison, so long as you're not water."

Yoshii only goes down into Lux, he never goes back up, unlike Ichise who return to his fate. In fact in terms of design he completely looks like a hiker or tourist, he even makes notes of what he sees. At his core he's still the pencil pusher he was before, just translated to an environment he's not a part of, where he can do whatever he pleases, even if that doesn't lead to anything. It's ennui that drives him, not higher purpose.
Anonymous No.281741803 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
A lot of heavy breathing.
Anonymous No.281742556 [Report]
>>281731301
Give me your notes, I wanna cite this for a paper I'm working on
Anonymous No.281742610 [Report]
>>281731510
>Like other Chiaki Konaka heroes his main quest is about self-knowledge and therefore knowledge about his world.
Yeah, I've been watching Devilman Lady and this fits really well
Anonymous No.281742860 [Report] >>281743266
>>281738450
There's already been numerous points at the beginning of the thread.
Every character is shit. Ichise and Ran rarely fucking speak let alone give eye contact to anyone, the latter is a plot device, yet they act as if you're supposed to care about them. Literal cliche FF villain appears towards the end, says mumbo jumbo then dies.
Animation is very stiff and non-existent. There's literal slideshow scenes. Ugly coloring, shit CGI, etc. It's got some good designs and storyboarding (the only positives), but is overall ugly. Hamasaki's talents were later utilized properly when he had a good script to work with (Steins Gate).
Turns into Mann Vs. Machine near the end if I didn't already think it was one of the more cliche piece of cyberpunk media I've ever consumed.
Most of the show was essentially about the internal affairs of a bunch of uninteresting mafia goons (most of which you never find a reason to care for.
It's basically 4/10 mafia slop until the last few episodes, where it tries and fails to become more.

>>281738879
>Texhnolyze pseud doesn't realize he's arguing with one of his own
lmao

>>281740024
>it's good because [X character represents Y philosophy I read on wikipedia]

Yoshi is not even a character.
Anonymous No.281743266 [Report]
>>281742860
Soo.. you just don't like hardboiled fiction? My favorite character is Kano personally, goes to show how different experiences can be.
Anonymous No.281743785 [Report] >>281743853
Roughly halfway through the anime. I wanted to watch it because of Yoshitoshi Abe but I'm not enjoying it all that much. I like the visuals but the storytelling is unfocused and it keeps introducing new characters all the time and it's hard to make much sense of what's going on. I don't want infodumping but at least a stronger through line would've gone a long way. Ran cute, I guess.
Anonymous No.281743853 [Report]
>>281743785
the part up ahead is the part people find to be the least interesting and engaging but grind through it maybe the finale will be worth it
Anonymous No.281743919 [Report]
>>281737435
>It barely has any animation
So? since when "more" animation makes something better? are sakuga bros this fucking retarded they dont know what a visual direction is? (which texhnolyze certainly have)
besides none of modern experimental animation be it from japan or outside japan focus on having more "animation" but you wouldn't know it since you are a faggot otaku that doesnt watch anything that is not a garbage japanese tv cartoon
Anonymous No.281744058 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)

An incredibly slow paced series that takes 8 episodes to actually get going.

It feels like an experimental dark sci-fi series that was made by a music video director from the early 2000's but gets completely lost in it's terrible nihilistic message and never conveys to the viewer anything coherent or meaningful.

Its worth watching once, but most have the same two opposing opinions about it in retrospect. They either think it was a big waste of time that didn't go anywhere or they think its very unique because barely anything like it in the media landscape exists to compare with it.
Anonymous No.281744069 [Report]
hamasaki does minimum animation with maximum impact retards
Anonymous No.281745108 [Report]
>>281721879 (OP)
The first episode is my favorite first episode ever. so haunting
Anonymous No.281745906 [Report]
>>281722008
>>wow... i thought my father was bad... but... i was mistaken ...
How did you not get that it's Christian allegory?