Thread 282917164

Why do isekai MCs condone slavery? Why don't they just start a civil war, overthrow the government, outlaw slavery and hunt down everyone who engages in it?

They don't want to stand out

What's so bad about it?

>>282917164 (OP)
Why would they? Do you travel to the middle east and beat your set of morals into everyone with a bat?

>>282917164 (OP)
Isekai MCs support slavery, especially of cute girls.

>>282917164 (OP)
>Why do isekai MCs condone slavery?
They're based and respectable to the culture of new alien world. It's a japanese spirit. Unlike some other countries.

>>282917205
Implying you wouldn't go "stand ready for my arrival, worm" on all middle east if you had cheat powers

>>282917277
>if you had cheat powers
Why? I want harem and apartments in Dubai. Halal is the way.

>>282917277
Actually, no. Middle East aren't all that powerful. If I have cheat powers and I want to stand out, US and China will be the first to experience and it won't have any to do with moral values either

>>282917164 (OP)
Isekai protagonists are Japanese. They wouldn't dare step out of line and solve a problem if it's not their job to do so.

>>282917374
Bingo.

>>282917180
shikata ga nai

>>282917374
>solve a problem
What problem?

no Cheat Isekai MC is powerful enough to overthrow the entire world
and the ones that are, are always SOL moe ones like "I killed 1 billion slimes and now I want to stay at home and sip tea"
best just accept your cheap slave waifu and provide business to the slavers that don't rape them

>>282917164 (OP)
Nothing wrong with slavery

>ignore slave rape victim because not my problem, can't change the system, sucks to suck, etc.
>get into physical altercation with the literal king of a nation because a witch asked me to and she was cute or something

>*eradicates slavery*
>now spoils of war and PoWs will be raped and killed instead
>illegal immigrants, dregs of society and gamblers roam free in your country because they have nothing to fear
>unlucky people with debts will be killed because they have nothing to offer anymore

how the fuck do universes with magic even still have slavery. One of the most important reasons why we in the real world stopped using slaves (besides ethics) is because one guy sitting in a tractor can harvest more shit than 10 dumbasses on their hands and knees. Paying one intelligent guy a decent wage is way easier than managing, clothing, and feeding 10 retards every single day. If magic existed then you bet your ass you'd have one good ass mage managing the entire city's farmland, and then there'd be no need for slaves because all your valuable labor is being done by the magic equivalent of a dozen John Deere's.

Actually that raises another point, what the fuck are these slave's deal? What do they even do? It seems like they all just function as either rapemeat or completely inconsequential window dressing. Like what's their jobs? Why are they slaves? I only ever see slaves in chains and cages, but no slaves out in fields or working in the mines. They all gotta be fed, so they ought to earn their keep, but none of them actually fucking do anything beside sit in a cage and get beaten.

>>282917164 (OP)
yea i challenge you to find ONE light novel ""author"" who is competent enough to write a proper civil war without making it the worst abomination you ever laid your eyes upon

>>282917585
slavery magic

>>282917585
>how the fuck do universes with magic even still have slavery.
Magic has rules in isekai. It obeys thermodynamics in 99% of settings.
Why would a respectful and educated powerful mage manage city's farmland like a pleb?

>>282917586
>""author"
Go back.

>>282917585
Nigger slavery in the large majority of the world was banned long before tractors ever became a thing what are you even talking about

America has nukes and one of the strongest economies in the world, why won't they stop slavery in the middle east?

>>282917374
>Me? I'm American so I could-ack *gets punched some thug*

Why can't (You)s make 4chan a better place?

>>282917636
gee, I dunno, maybe because in real life the ruling class owns all the land and doles it out to the military/samurai class to bump up their status.
Although it depends on what kind of mages we're talking about. 500 year old Great Mage Gandalf doesn't have time for that shit, but if you got a whole city of apprentice mages going to essentially magic japanese high school then it'd be easy to find one autist who really likes farming efficiently

>>282917673
replace [tractor] with [your technology of choice] and/or [beast of burden].
and do keep in mind that [technology] does not exclusively refer to modern gadgets like electronics and gas powered motors

>>282917585
Isekaii is set in roman-to-medieval era though, not post-industrial.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_of_Eurysaces_the_Baker
Slaves back then just did regular jobs, like looking after the house or cooking or cleaning or sewing or teaching or serving in the military. They'd even be paid if they had a skill. If they were freed they always chose to stay in the same city and continue working, just with more rights.

>>282917729
Technology had nothing to do with the abolition of slavery anywhere in the world. I can assure you no ruler ever thought about freeing slaves because they weren't as efficient at their jobs as [supposed technology or farm animal] and slaves aren't only used as farm equipment like you seem to believe my american friend. It was almost always a moral issue.

>>282917729
>but if you got a whole city of apprentice mages going to essentially magic japanese high school then it'd be easy to find one autist who really likes farming efficiently
Low lvl DnD mage would be useless for farming. Magic is overrated. Unless it's some wacky setting where mages can do anything and they're everywhere.

>>282917164 (OP)
This is the hill moral fags die on.

We love slavery here.

>>282917636
>It obeys thermodynamics in 99% of settings.
It definitely doesn't. A mage would need to eat tens if not hundred of thousands calories just to cast a fireball.

Why is slavery evil in the first place?

>>282918129
>A mage would need to eat tens if not hundred of thousands calories just to cast a fireball.
They use mana, baka.

>>282917798
A lot of isekai seem to add whatever anachronistic tech they want if the author feels like it, so an isekai can just randomly include a steam engine for no reason despite being set in medieval europe.
Anyways, my point is that mages are essentially a Industrial revolution all on their own, and so would induce changes equivalent to the ones found in our world.
>>282917899
Actually doing some basic research I found that one of the reasons Britain abolished the slave trade was because West Indies slaves were making TOO MUCH sugar, thus lowering the price of sugar and hurting local British sugar producers. I was just completely wrong on that point, but it does mean that there was an economic benefit to banning the slave trade, and not entirely a moral one, although not in the way I claimed it to be, so oops, my bad. There was also several slave rebellions that damaged a lot of infrastructure, which parliament wanted to avoid happening more, which I suppose can also be a moral issue. A couple other websites have weird conflicting and even self-contradictory info so I'm just gonna concede the point and say I was mostly wrong. I still wanna know what the fuck slaves even do in isekai worlds, since I never actually see them do shit besides joining the MC's harem or getting raped (human trafficking is a viable answer, but then why are males and beastmen slaves?)
>>282917900
Go go gadget Magic Wind Scythe

>>282918208
So they don't follow the laws of thermodynamics, got it.

>>282918318
Or the world follows a different set of physics, that involves an energy source that is absorbed through the environment but isn't a physical material.

>>282918318
I bet you think you're clever.

>>282918246
>Anyways, my point is that mages are essentially a Industrial revolution all on their own
Mages are intelligentsia, scientists, artists, thinkers, degenerates and enjoyers. They're killing machines not your MACHINES OF LABOUR.

>>282918343
>dood this intangible energy form that seemingly has no relation to any other physical process except when a mage turns it into fire/thunder/farts totally follow the laws of thermodynamics!
Just drop it please, no isekai writer has ever put a minute of thought into bullshit like this

>>282918730
literally just magnetism, but replace magnets with crystals and electricians with magicians

>>282917358
Bad idea. Strike kebab right in their heart so they won't feel so safe anymore in white countries.

>>282917586
Did Japan ever have civil wars? Idk if their samuray wars count.

>>282918730
You're retard and missed the entire point. Just stop.

>>282918796
yes, the sengoku jidai was a civil war
If you want another example then the Boshin war between the Emperor and the Shogunate might be more up your alley

>>282918803
Then maybe you need to meditate on your magic crystals while watching more islopkei, maybe fantasize about girls who cannot physical reject you on account of how your self insert owns them, would that make you feel better, retard-kun?

>>282918921
Go back.

>>282918803
>>282918921
would you two just kiss already, jesus christ

>>282918926
Incredible how one cock sucking faggot getting acidentally obllitered by a girl who simply asks him to
>get back
Because he reeks like death, having not showed nor changed his underwear for a week, can turn someone into a militant autist, screeching about how magic IRL follows the rules of thermodynamic in fantasy settings.

>>282918979
See >>282918208
little tourist.
Go back btw.

>>282918996
I'm not reading your gay thesis on why magic is real and you just need reach level 99 or some shit to learn slave magic to make girls like you, virgin-kun

>>282917164 (OP)
Are you self-aware enough to realise that modern American morality isn't universal

>>282917585
Because there is always either some kind of energy limitation, e.g. not enough mages to control all fields, or a people limitation, e.g. mages becoming arrogant and entitled doing their jobs very inefficiently, etc.
The real solution is going full Nikolai Tesla and finding a way to effectively and efficiently gather all the "free energy" in the world.

>>282919050
if "wizard use mana" is too complicated 4u have you considered that...it's not the author but you who isn't very smart or both :/

>>282919050
You're rude because you can't use magic, manslut. I would incinerate your ass if not for laws of thermodynamics and internet connections.

>>282917277
Yeah as the other anon said you start with the big boys, the US goes first and everyone else will fall in line.

Because they're written by pathetic losers whose only way of getting a girl is by having a slave who have to obey them

>>282919232
*for, you

>>282919282
Nuh uh, I actually have the magic science powers from piping a bitch while watching Rickeus Mortus and I can use the powers of thermodynamics to enslave your Mom into becoming my big titty bimbo slut who will love me forever and be level 99.9 with all the MMO skills like
>Ultra mega death blastor portal gun
And
>DSL lips lvl. 10
Because shes my willing slave and will never say mean things to me, like how I reek of jizz or maybe I need to not watch porn in public.

>>282919341
China will be happy if you take out Murica for them.

>>282917205
I would if I had super-powers.

>>282919492
America is China's #1 business partner. You are doing them very little favor by taking out America; subversion would be preferable to destruction

>>282919484
But enough about you.

>>282917164 (OP)
Because it was made by the only race who was born without their backbone

>>282917393
Forced labor, limitation of liberty, unfair treatment.

>>282917449
Go become a slave, then. I hear the Arabs are big into that.

>>282918796
Pretty much most of its wars were though technically they didn't really consider themselves one unified political nation to begin with til after sengoku jidai

>>282919554
>unfair treatment.
The alternative to slavery is death because normal people rarely become slaves in isekai. For normal citizens it always kidnapping or some evil scheme. Being born as slave is no different from being born in war ridden shithole. Slavery is just and second chance.

>>282917205
>Imposing your morals on something like slavery is bad because they don't wanna stand out and impose but jap mcs injecting japanese cuisine and culture into their isekai and all the isekai natives going "eeeehhhh nihon sugoi" while the mc introduces the concept of crop rotation as though the isekai civilization are comprised of a bunch of neanderthals and also frequently and deliberately get involved in government affairs because of isekai shenanigans is totally fine

>>282917164 (OP)
Sometimes they do

>>282920296
Cultural exchange.
You buy slaves and introduce the concept of crop rotation.

>buy slave that can read and write, looks cute
>dont treat them like a slave, even offer them freedom
>they fall in love with you and choose to stay
Its a miracle these are even on the market, of course you buy them up

>>282917164 (OP)
>start civil war at lvl 1
>immediately captured because you are a scrub
>given the excessively cruel punishment for daring to free slaves everyone says you deserved it
>no body remembers you
>the slaves who now get beaten harder curse your name

>>282917585
The real world never stopped using slaves. The clothes you are wearing, the phone you are posting from, the chatbot you are using to make your posts, they are all a product of slave labor. Depending on where you are in the world, the house you are living in, the food you eat and the children you fuck are probably too.

>>282919554
>unfair treatment
Slaves usually got okay treatment. Not good, but it was not necessarily cruel. Mostly because slave master had an interest to keep his slaves healthy and content, so they work more.

>>282920296
The ideal immigrant. Doesn't change the values of the land he arrives to, but brings new food with them.

>>282919733
>normal people rarely become slaves in isekai
But even in our world the slaves were nearly all prisoners of wars with a little of them being just abducted.

>>282919492
China would be doing whatever the fuck you tell them to if you take out Murica. Like everyone else. If you have cheat powers you should not care what country is the strongest, you should only care that they do what you want.

>>282917164 (OP)
A better question is why are there no cute demihuman slaves to worship and fall in love with Dust and Kazuma just for being shown basic human decency? Just another reason why the Konosuba world sucks.

>>282917180
The real reason is that the Japanese mentality is one that absolutely worships things like order of law and servility. You can have reality defying powers, but you can't drink alcohol under the age of 18 or touch a girl. If something like high school, wage slaving or Japanese cuisine doesn't exist in the isekai world, then the MC will invent those things, but abolishing slavery, no, because that represents an even more stratified society than real world Japan so it just becomes part of the fantasy.

>>282917164 (OP)
Because Naofumi is a financial genius. One of the greatest disappointments of that show is that its just a (shitty) battle shonen, when it should have been Spice and Wolf with a harem.

Enslavement was not the worst fate in ancient times

>>282924199
Is not even now...

>>282924164
>Spice and Wolf with a harem.
I really do not want to see the brainlet behind making the "slavery" in that show try to write anything interesting, so I'd rather that never happen

>>282924276
You don't get it anon, there has to be a 100% failsafe magic component to the slavery so the girl literally can't betray the MC without having her soul torn apart or the people who watch this wouldn't be able to feel safe while jerking off.

>>282924164
Just watch Drugstore in Another World and leave mai waifu out of it.

>>282917164 (OP)
Say whatever you want about slavery but Is thanks to it that Blacks got an education and stopped being barbarians subhumans which they seems to have forgotten

>>282917277
Fuck no I would nuke India immediately.

>>282917164 (OP)
why don't you go do that right now all over the world?

>>282917484
She also prostitutes herself to old men

>>282917164 (OP)
Because at the end of the day isekai is escapism fantasy and a lot of peoples fantasy (whether they want to admit it or not) is to have a someone unconditionally love them and depend on on them i.e slave

>>282917164 (OP)
Because they will have slaves lives matter riots a few centuries after

>>282917164 (OP)
>Why don't they just start a civil war, overthrow the government, outlaw slavery and hunt down everyone who engages in it?
What's in it for them?

>>282924199
People really fail to see the cruel and unusual punishments that were in the old world.
Take Vlad the Impaler for example.
Or the Romans and their crucifixion.
Being a serf to a lord isn't as bad.

>>282917577
>a bestial slave of self preservation instinct defends slavery
Like pottery.

>>282917164 (OP)
Unironically though....
There's a lot of Isekais, right? DOES the John Brown Isekair exist? Sounds quite interesting.

>>282917164 (OP)
Slavery is moral righteous depending on who's being enslaved.

>>282917164 (OP)
they're not murricans

>>282924811
You'll always be my truest brother anon.

>>282917277
I'd go on a racially motivated genocidal rampage though

Slavery is natural, read Aristotle.

>>282917164 (OP)
Because they are Japanese not Americans that have been indoctrinated into thinking slavery is some horrific evil worse than anything else, rather than the default state for most of human history.

>>282917164 (OP)
If it were up to OP all anime would be about faggots and black people virtue signalling. This is why we don't have any good media in the West. Too many people tainted by the influence of jewish ideology. He doesn't even realize that normal people (who wrote the isekai source material) don't create stories as propaganda like shekel goyberg does

>>282917164 (OP)
Why is slavery bad?

East Asia never had an explicit abolitionist movement, slavery just got phased out by capitalism gradually.

>>282917164 (OP)
Too much effort, imagine fighting against the church and it's zealots. It is that but 10x worse.

>>282917164 (OP)
This Raph is especially sexy

>>282917277
>>282917205

>>282927400
>Being a serf to a lord isn't as bad
And if you were lucky you would be released after they work you to the bone and can´t perform. Being able to procreate to follow nature´s rule, that´s it, if you dont get your balls cut by the tribe you lost the war to.
Anyway, what´s with this continuous spam of shield hero hate threads? OP got tired of getting btfo with MT calling Rudeus a pedo, that is trying new ways of getting humilliated?

>>282917164 (OP)
It really comes down to virtue signalling.
When an isekai mc helps slaves it is on LN3-7, they don't make a big deal of it and as a result no one hears of it.
It isn't preaching nonstop about freedom and values or whatever from LN1. The westoid needs that much.
The weirdos itt complaining about this are just that, moralfags. They need to talk nonstop about how moral they are, don't ever think about viability, it's about making yourself look good.

>>282917277
Islam lies closer to my values than what ever progressive shit the left and faux right are upto nowadays, but if I had cheat powers the entire world would be enslaved.

>>282918005
It's funny how that image is about Rudeus and he doesn't even own a slave. His best buddy does and he helped him train said slave instead.

Slavery is only bad within your species, but if Elves, Dwarves, fairies etc existed it would be 100% ok to enslave them because they're no different than animals we "enslave" to work our fields or to use as transportation. Caring about the rights or consent of some alien species is retarded. Though the human/alien offspring of such union should be immediately terminated.

I blame Britain, Spain, Portugal and France's extensive and brutal use of chattel slavery as the reason we can't own debt and criminal slaves today. Why is it only the government that's allowed to use involuntary servitude as punishment for a crime?

>>282919567
Most people in slavery are there because they sold themselves rather than face starvation and death. Unless you yourself go out of your way to make large personal sacrifices to solve the issue then you can stay quiet on issues you have no intention on actually solving.
Protip: Forcing other people to pay to fix problems does not count as helping, nor does occasionally handing out your pocket change.

>>282917205
If I had the ability to do so, why not?

>>282917205
>>282933685
Last time the USA did it everyone got butthurt.

>>282917164 (OP)
Shieldbro was depressed and didn't care.

>>282923993
The real reason is no one, yourself included, would throw away a good life because they care so much about slavery that leading a civil war sounds better. Lincoln didn't give a shit either, democracy just leads to periodic spergouts over stupid bullshit.

>>282918730
>a minute of thought into bullshit like this
It's not about putting thought into it. It's actually the opposite. By following e.g. the Law of Conservation of Energy, the burden on the writer's imagination is decreased. Consider Elaina the Wandering Bitch. Magic in that show is basically omnipotent. She goes back in fucking time in one episode. Imagine having to write those kinds of possibilities constantly (essentially the journey of a nascent god) when really all your pleb brain can imagine is "pew pew" but with fingers instead of guns. So they start following as many physical laws as they can, deluding themselves into thinking this makes them clever when really it's the opposite, and end up with magic that can only do what modern technology/science can do. What they really wanted wasn't to write a fantastical story about all the impossible things that magic could potentially do, they wanted to write a story where only a few elites (including the MC, who naturally is the most elite of the elite) can do the shit every modern human can do with technology while simultaneously turning 80-90% of the isekai-jin into the lowest 3rd world Ethiopians for the MC to look down on.

In short, magic that obeys physical laws is a writing crutch, just like the isekai genre itself.

Also, they don't usually get magic power from food. They typically absorb it from the atmosphere/ether/etc.

>>282934568
>In short, magic that obeys physical laws is a writing crutch
God I hate LotR pseuds is much it's unreal.

>>282917164 (OP)
I want to have my own big tits demihuman slave

Someone should make an Isekaii where “slavery” has been refashioned as a Mail Order Bride service.
That’s basically what it functions as, so make it more efficient.

>>282917164 (OP)
Why did the founding fathers condone slavery? Why didn't they just outlaw it and kill anyone who complained?

>>282935720
half wanted to and half wanted to keep their tools. They reached some half-assed compromise that most knew would have to be dealt with down the line because they had other bigger priorities

>>282917164 (OP)
They're no heroes. They're just guys trying to live their vest lives.

>>282935720
necessary evil

>>282917164 (OP)
I'm tired of explaining this. Every single fucking person on earth supports criminal slavery in their daily lives. Japanese have prisons, US and UK have prisons, fucking anyone with functional tech has a criminal slavery system, aka prison. Africa just mobs your criminal ass and burns or beats you alive, which is far more brutal.

Notice how not a single fucker has started a civil war, revolution, or even started shit to completely remove criminal slavery? That is because EVERYONE believes in it. Punishment for bad people. It's excepted in the US constitution - slavery is for criminals.

And if you want to whinge about chattle slavery, where normies buy and sell people, that shit still exists on Earth, and no one goes to the places and solves it. Don't expect a rando plucked from earth to care. Ever.

The only think Isekais do is make the criminal/debt/POW slaves available to the public because the state can't support their asses like ours do. Hell, some even force you to care for them more than our current prisons do. OP pic is a literal war POW. It sucks, but their whole world sucks, it runs on feminism (with some human supremacy mixed in), so that is what you get. Even worse they have some rando ass world merging with theirs, requiring the 4 weapon heroes to save it from all these random invasions and shit, on top of large giga monster natural disaster crap. Slaves are the least of their worries there. Not to mention being a slave is an actual pro in that world - they get some sort of XP boost, ability boosts, and other growth shit thanks to the heroes. I mean she becomes an emperor thanks to it. Imagine a black slave becoming President because he was a slave, that shit is mind boggling.

>>282917164 (OP)
What's your problem with slavery? I don't see anything wrong with it.

>>282917164 (OP)
Never thought about this, they are just fictional worlds and stories. Slavery was a normal thing and not considered immoral at all for thousands of years all around the real world. The only thing people found excessive and counterproductive was torturing your slaves. It would be a lot more easier for me to just spend time familiarizing myself with the world I transferred into than start some random revolution right away to end slavery.

People today are only against slavery because someone simply tells them it's bad when they're kids. It's a learned condition that our current generations are taught in schools since childhood. Otherwise, it would just be another form of employment.

god damn too many seaninjas in this thread
this used to be a neet board

>>282917577
Game of Thrones shows what happens when you end slavery. Everything goes to shit and becomes a huge clusterfuck.

>>282937191
D-dare I ask what happens

>>282920296
Ah yes, you should nuke some place's solution to criminal activity so you can feel good about yourself. I'm sure that will work out well for the locals now that all the murderers, rapists, and thugs have all been freed to fuck up the town/city once more. Sure the debt slaves will thank you and promptly starve to death, if they survive the rapes that you set loose. And I bet those POWs are sure glad as fuck you let them have revenge in the country that beat and enslaved them.

>free the "slaves"
>why is the town on fire?
>why are women screaming?
>what is with all these dead kids?
>Man, that is a lot of dead bodies. I wonder what happened?
>oh well, not my problem.

Good intentions pave the path to hell.

>>282920492
Basically all Isekai slave markets are a combo of criminal punishment and debt slavery, and potentially POW overflow if the knights have extra from whatever conflict/conquest. It is a little weird that it's available to the public instead of a resource the nobility consume exclusively, but hey, it's not that outlandish to do if you don't want to foot the bill for all the upkeep on penal slaves and have no use for them. But yeah, it's super fucking miraculous that this exists, because real history either killed these people or tortured them in horrific conditions in state run prisons.

The bad type people like OP get their panties in a twist about is the debt slaves. Of course you will never see OP protesting deadbeat dads being sent to prison for missing child support payments, but that is because this is a bait topic and no one actually believes in freeing real slaves when they have some uppity fake moral justification for it - like with deadbeat dads. I bet if some state let you buy non-violent prisoners as home slaves people would ABSOLUTELY let that happen. Less wasted tax dollars, and society improved with productive work. I mean we already have them picking up litter and shit.

>>282937254
I'm glad you asked, anon. The heroine, Dany (who has three dragons) liberates a city that does slavery. She even gets a cool name, Khaleesi. She goes around the land liberating more cities - with her army of mongols, eunuch-soldiers, gladiators and nobles who side with the winners - until she gets to the biggest city and seizes control. All the cities she liberated have a new regime of doctors, lawyers and scholars installed.
As soon as she leaves, they're promptly overthrown and replaced by warlords (one is a literal butcher).
Meanwhile the slave-owners raise a huge army of mercenaries, including genuinely hard-core mercenaries who are name-level NPCs. As she holds the capital, everyone gets antsy: terrorists start an insurgency and her own men keep agitating for her to become a dictator.
Ultimately she's pressured into marrying a dude from one of the slave-owning families and opening the gladiator pits (which she hates) in order to get peace. Oh and the gladiators actually want to sell themselves back into slavery since they're now dirt-poor under her.
The slaveowner army starts marching on her city, seizing back control of all the cities she liberated. A vast number of refugees arrive at the capital and they bring plague with them, terrifying everyone. Oh and she's losing control of the dragons and her own allies try to assassinate her.
How does she solve this problem? Good fucking question.

>>282917164 (OP)
Slavery shouldn't be in isekai because it attracts too many retards to slavery threads to moral fag about dumb shit instead of hot slavery scenes

>>282937423
The liberator just asset-strips the place of everything she can carry and sails off to let the place become Afghanistan 2.0.

>>282937450
>the plot
Holy fucking kino

>>282917585
>real world stopped using slaves
Uh, the real world has NEVER stopped using slaves. We use slaves & slave labor to this very day. Chattel slavery is the only thing we soft banned. It's still practiced in some places. The nastier details need a red board to talk about them.

Anywho, for isekai, slaves are hyper practical in a magic society because they are essentially organic "androids". The magic or collars enforce total secrecy on them, forced loyalty, and total obedience. Basically an organic robot that you can fuck if you want. Meanwhile in our world, slaves are only useful to make product. But in magic world, you now have an android equivalent now. That is stupid valuable. Servants leak sensitive matters. A household run by slaves has no leaks and is impervious to infiltration by paid off servants. Honestly, nobility in these worlds would have 100% slave servants just out of practicality with all the magical shit out there. No wages to worry about either, just one capital investment and done.

And you really need to read/watch more Isekai. Plenty show slaves working as adventurers, miners, servants, maids, and of course - fuck meat for the MC. The slave seller is just the middle man between the state and you, the MC. The slave merchant doesn't care how you treat them. They just get them from the state as criminals or from parents/individuals selling them for money. The slave merchant makes money on the sale price as all profit, especially if the state doesn't bother asking for any fees for criminals. The debtor slaves should be canonically more expensive, as they sell themselves to the seller for X, so the MC should have to pay X plus fees. And usually we are talking HIGH prices for slaves - most Isekai have them at absurd prices. Only some useless sick nasty wounded wretch is worth 1-2 gold. The rest are thousands and millions depending on the money scale of the series.

>>282917585
>They all gotta be fed, so they ought to earn their keep
Slave auctions is how some series deal with this. Basically reduces holding periods by the merchant to minimal required, and gets them the best price while moving product through. You can be assured merchants doing this make a tidy product. They know to buy low and sell high. And criminal slaves are pure profit if the state just dumps them on you right out of court.

>>282917899
Yeah it did. There's a reason there was a long record of failed British anti slave campaigns before industrial tech was wide spread. It took industrial tech and additional economic pressures and wars to convince most of the world to abandon mass slavery.

>>282923795
No, in our world most to all slaves are criminals. POWs come around on a once a decade timeline more or less depending on the war conditions, abductions would be more like yearly/monthly things. Criminal slaves increase daily. Now, how they became criminals depended a whole lot on the nation. Could be for non-violent political reasons, could be for violent reasons. Chattel slavery was a blip in history, and technically it was really POW slavery since that is how people got yoinked in Africa for most cases before Jews boated them over to the US for sale.

>>282923939
That world has actual prisons operated by the state and you can't own slaves as a civie. Only the state gets to own slaves, much like how our system works. Theirs is actually better since they have a magical truth verification device. Our system just sends you to jail based on a judge's and jury's whims (if you ever get to see court). Holy shit our courts would collapse if the little truth bell existed, so much corruption would be outed.

>>282923993
No Jap MC is going to upend the criminal slavery system. They don't protest their nasty current system now, why would they nuke some random country's criminal penal system? Especially since you can get fuck meat from it as a public service.

>see slaves
>do nothing
>wow what a limpdick faggot who has no agency
>try to free slaves
>wow what a limpdick faggot who wants to impose modern morals upon fantasy world/massive exposition about economy and how and why ending slavery is bad for both short term and long term
>engage in slavery
>wow what a limpdick faggot who can't fuck a girl unless she's a slave

>>282926147
Lol, the REAL reason is upending a country's criminal punishment system is a literal disaster. You are freeing a bunch of overpowered criminal adventurers, mercs and war fighters on top of whatever poor sods got sold as debt slaves. The former will go RIGHT back to crime & pillaging now that they are free to crime it up with no risk of being caught again. The debt slaves will all starve because debt slaves literally have no fucking money in the first place. Now they have no owner, no home, no place to eat, so they will just plop down in the slums and beg - then eventually starve. Because the murder hobos the "righteous" moralfag MC let loose are killing all the good townsfolk who could spare some coin. Seems like a great way to start a villain arc to me and up the misery levels in whatever country you landed in.

People always forget that on top of the fuzzy wuzzy adorable children in those pens, there were also high leveled adventurer criminals - that were too expensive for Naofumi. Freeing them is NOT going to go over well.

The above is also legit military tactics to wreck a country. Some stories feature prison/slave breaks that are used to destabilize and down an entire country. Imagine an entire prison just dumping out all the criminals loose on LA. Shit would not go well right? Same for isekai.

>>282935511
Actually, Isekai criminal slavery is in a way more moral and just than the crap we have today in human societies. Instead of tormenting people in jail cells for long periods with tax payer funded shit food and guards, they go out and become "normal" people again under a guardian, paying back their debt to society by being useful to someone for something. Sure our prisons make shit like license plates and other trinkets, but most are dead weight on the population - especially with no death penalty in most areas. No taxpayer money is needed to run Isekai slavery. Knights just dump the criminals onto the slave merchant after a quick magical trial.

As a criminal woman, would you rather be a maid and fuck meat for one MC who buys you, or get passed around as fuck meat for male guards in a prison with a bunch of other violent bitches? The former option has luck to it - you may get a good MC, but you might get an evil MC. The latter is guaranteed to suck. A rational woman is choosing the former.

And as a criminal dude, being some adventurer slave or some shit is WAY better than dealing with prison gangs and being shanked. Hell, even being a bottom to one MC is probably better than getting constantly raped in prison. Gulag shit like mining would definitely suck, but again - all the buttrape gets avoided if you mine. It's all tradeoffs.

>>282917164 (OP)
One piece is only good for all the slavery hentai it produces of the characters

>>282935260
Realistically most peoples morality would fly out the window the second they get an opportunity to buy a big titty beastgirl

>>282938271
Especially the slave hentai ones about boa

>>282917164 (OP)
I hope someone isekai into this world and end the jew oligarchy

>>282937450
Slavery in a story is fine. Its apart of history and to deny it so kills any accuracy that the author was trying to go for. The MC owning slaves is what draws a lot more ire. As its viewed by modern society as reprehensible and highly up for debate. Shield hero is a great example of how to handle your main character needing slaves. Where he was at in his story and how much of a corner society backed him into, he HAD to adopt slaves in order for him to progress. No one would party with him and given what you learn about his class in that world and how an entire religion is founded upon hating the shield hero, it makes perfect sense why he needs slaves. But the viewer will still hate him for it no matter the justification so they automatically hate the story and think it bad, crass, and edgy without actually finding out more about it first before making up their mind. Their loss.

>>282933940
only sandniggers and people in the USA because it was just an excuse to embezzle tax money

>>282917205
I mean, you are talking to English speaking people so probably.

>>282917577
>now spoils of war and PoWs will be raped
like slaves don't?
>and killed
which is preferred to being enslaved
>illegal immigrants, dregs of society and gamblers roam free in your country because they have nothing to fear
>unlucky people with debts will be killed because they have nothing to offer anymore
Do you not see the contradiction you just wrote with this statements?

>>282939698
>which is preferred to being enslaved

>>282917164 (OP)
Why do so many modern audiences fall prey to presentism so much? More importantly why can't they separate reality and fictional morality?

>>282917164 (OP)
It's because slavery in isekai is not actually a institution that is part of the world, it's a plot point to get the MC a girlfriend easily. Most actual historical systems of slavery would see the MC enslaved just because that is the social class he would belong to without any other clear legal status. Even assuming that wouldn't be the case, cause he's the legendary hero or something, on average the story really doesn't go into the implication of slavery as a system. Feudalism, as a actual institution, already largely renders most forms of slavery pointless and while plenty of feudal societies had slavery it's actual application was typically very different.

>>282939698
Slavery can be eliminated but it does create problems that must be tackled, but whether or not you realize that it just takes another form that depends on your world view I guess.

>>282917164 (OP)
>isekai is a kingdom
>mc doesn't overthrow it for a democracy

>>282939753
Fictional morality is easy and safe. Fighting against real evil is hard and dangerous.

>>282939781
whichever other form it takes can't be as shit as being downgraded to property
>>282939728
what about it is bait? Becoming slave is the ultimate torture and humiliation, and even if you're "freed" from it (which is the only hope that slaves live for), you're still a broken subhuman till the day you die.

>>282939817
What about a constitutional monarchy?

>>282939753
They have weird fetish for being BTFO by both /a/ and /v/ (recent rape threads chain kino) for some reason

>>282939880
>what about it is bait? Becoming slave is the ultimate torture and humiliation

>>282917164 (OP)
>Why do isekai MCs condone slavery?
Socialy inept and unskilled writers use slavery as a crutch in their stories to get around WHY a nubile young girl would choose to risk her life traveling with the protagonist.

>>282917164 (OP)
Slavery is unironically good
It's the only way to get brown people to act like humans

>>282932453
>Islam lies closer to my values
Does it though? You really like praying so much? You want to trade bacon and alcohol for raping little girls?

>>282939965
*White

>>282917164 (OP)
It’s ok when the slave reenslaves herself

>>282924811
Please don't, the poop particles will engulf the whole world. The place needs soap, not nukes.

>>282917164 (OP)
Japanese people weren't brought up with a module every year condemning slavery, and slavery still happens all over SEA. Japanese people were using slaves up until they lost WW2.
Slavery to them isn't as taboo as it is for Westerners. That's why the MC's apparent distaste for slavery gets an average paragraph and that's it.

>>282939992
It needs white genocide. India can only be cleansed in the blood of the west.

>>282939996
Nazi Germany was also using slave labour yet Germans were properly civilized after WW2 so it's taboo there as well. Goes and show how mercifully Japan was treated though they should have been harsher towards Germany as well.

>>282918246
>beastmen
They are usually jungle mudhut niggers in settings where they are slaves, thus easy targets, and besides, who wouldn't a catgirl?
Also this >>282918618 , mages can afford living by casting heal once per whenever and fireballing the shit out of some settlements they happen to dislike, they simply wouldn't bother themselves with mundane peasant shit like farming or construction, especially when they can put that time into research of immortality.

>>282917484
Slave was a goi and there was nothing wrong with goi being slaves.

>>282917205
You don't have to start preaching about Jesus to everyone you meet or overthrow nobles, just maybe don't immediately buy your own slaves???

>>282917164 (OP)
Who the fuck wants to read a manga about an isekai protagonist starting civil war to abolish slavery in an isekai world? We want to power level and kill the demon lord while we get ourselves a harem with an elf, a beast girl, a dwarf and a golem.

>>282917585
Some depraved rich man wants to own people, is there any more reason needed?

>>282940090
actually most isekai mc don't go around buying slaves..

>>282940119
>Who the fuck wants to read a manga about an isekai protagonist starting civil war to abolish slavery in an isekai world?
Westoids and unique genders.

>>282917164 (OP)
retard

>>282917585
>I only ever see slaves in chains and cages, but no slaves out in fields or working in the mines.
That's because most series aren't interested in showing you laborers working the fields, or miners working the mines. Plus most of the time slaves would be indistinguishable from free workers at a glance. You only bother with collars and chains if a slave isn't well behaved and is a runaway risk. Or in the case of isekai and magical enslavement, only bother with collars if they're an integral requirement for whatever magic enslaves them, and it's not just some geas or discreet tattoo on their body.

>>282940090
I read isekai slop constantly, and if we go by my own memories of what ive read, out of probably 50 to 70 manga/webnovels, just
>naofumi from shield hero
>ceres from fucking the hero's mom
>isekai survival (this is the oposite because he becomes the slave)
>second from moto sekai ichi
>diablo from how not to summon a demonlord
Own slaves. Thats like less that 5% of them. And i dont particularly avoid isekai without slavery on it.

>>282938087
>Now they have no owner, no home, no place to eat, so they will just plop down in the slums and beg - then eventually starve
If they were slaves, they had some skills to sell, otherwise they would've been sold to local necromancers. Nobody needs a slave that can't earn own keep.
>You are freeing a bunch of overpowered criminal adventurers, mercs and war fighters
How the fuck have you been able to keep them enslaved if they're so overpowered? And nobody obliged you to free them, you can also just execute them instead.

>>282940192
And thats like what, less than 1% of the entire weeb audience?
If someone so desires to write their isekai about a japanese protagonist getting ran over by a truck, being summoned to a fantasy land with elfs and demons, and his first action being starting a civil war to wnd slavery, theyre all free to do so, but literally no one is gonna read that outside of bluesky.

>>282917277
India and Israel first

>>282917164 (OP)
Ok but why don't our authorities do this? We have more slavery today than in any part of human history.

>>282940311
>How the fuck have you been able to keep them enslaved if they're so overpowered?
By the power of D.

>>282940303
> (this is the oposite because he becomes the slave)
This should be WAY more common.

>>282940150
actually most isekai stories don't mention slaves at all, but why would we talk about works that aren't at all relevant to the conversation?

>>282940352
Slavery is illegal.

>But it still happens
Yeah, that's how crime works.

She was far more interesting as a child.

>>282940580
This

>>282940521
OP misleadingly says isekai mcs condone slavery. If, in fact, only 0.0001% of them do, that is very relevant to the conversation.

>>282940334
The way to handle it would be to have the MC himself become a slave and then rise up to eventually become a spartacus esque figure.

>>282917164 (OP)
>

>>282940568
It's not illegal in most of the 3rd world actually, and in fact the device you are communicating with right now was either assembled by or atleast uses parts manufactured with slave labor. You, like all first worlders, only dislike slavery when it happens plainly in front of you. You're more than happy to benefit from slavery as long as it's a sea away.

>>282917164 (OP)
>muh sla - ACK

Daily reminder that in all times in history where slavery was legal slaves usually cost as much as an apartment/house and was a privilege only to the wealthy. If you wanted a sex slave and it was an attractive female you were competing with kings and aristocrats and would probably need enough money to buy a condo in central New York.

Most of you motherfuckers would not have money to afford one even if it was legal.

>>282940710
>Most of you motherfuckers would not have money to afford one even if it was legal.
You know nothing about us, Truck-kun

>>282940710
Most slaves, except the kind that were captured war goods, were also indentured servants with contracts where they would exchange their labor over a period of time, typically no more than 8 years, for some kind of boon. This is one reason why pillaging war brides was fairly popular, and also why classical literature such as the iliad prominently features men capturing pretty women as trophies in war, because having your own concubine was a status symbol especially if you came from a lesser or humble background, which, germane, was one of the reasons agamemnon couldn't lead his own army because he kept taking all the women for his own personal harem instead of allowing the common soldiers to keep their share, which finally blew up in his face when he decided to spite achilles by taking his new concubine too.

>>282940659
>You, like all first worlders, only dislike slavery when it happens plainly in front of you.
Not even that. Kids in the West are simply indoctrinated into hating it with a passion.

>>282937672
>Only some useless sick nasty wounded wretch is worth 1-2 gold
If I recall in Shield Hero the coon was cheap because the slave trader was instructed beforehand to sell a slave to Naofumi at any cost.

>>282917393
Economic inefficiency and stolen jobs from the lower and middle class.

>>282940957
you do not, she was cheap because she was sick and dying and naofumi only bought her because he realized that would make it very easy for him to control her through dependence as opposed to relying purely on the slave crest like with most of his other options, though he obviously winds up genuinely caring for her.

>>282940882
If slavery is not le bad, then how come the good guys won in 1865??? Checkmate. What do I get for my isekai bonus for being a good boy?

>>282940986
The queen through her spy network made it happen.

>>282940997
gonna need to sauce me on that bro, I'm a doodles only, but if that's from the novel it sounds fucking retarded.

>>282940311
If a well-kept pleasure concubine is freed, she's going to become a prostitute who is kept in conditions way worse than she initially was.
A slave gladiator can become a thug (which sucks), join the army (sucks even more) or take up adventuring (risky at best.)
Those are people with specialized skills. What are they going to do now?

>>282938054
Amusingly, the novel Thresholder has the protagonist arrive in a Bronze Age slave-owning area, and he just goes "Oooh, slaves. Well, sucks to be them. But I guess the rich and powerful will always dominate the poor and weak, so who cares?"
Then he never gives a shit about them again.

>>282939880
>whichever other form it takes can't be as shit as being downgraded to property
Define "property". Is it being controlled? Lead? Freedoms taken away? Promised? You are telling me you have lived freely your entire life without being lead by the nose? Do tell. Tell me more about Freedom (TM).

>>282940659
>It's not illegal in most of the 3rd world actually,
Yeah, it is.

>and in fact the device you are communicating with right now was either assembled by or atleast uses parts manufactured with slave labor
No, it isn't.

>>282940638
>Chaldea is packed with tyrants, murderers, warmongers and criminals
>somehow only Columbus is uniquely evil

>>282941963
>Yeah it is
It's not
>no it isn't
Yeah, it is. Cope and seethe.

>>282940060
So regular people are goi while witches are the chosen ones?

>>282942308
>the actual, literal devil of zoroastrian mythology? >cool guy, so heckin funnyrino
>no i did not read f/ha and do not acknowledge the context of his rape scenes to understand he threatened to rape mash
>columbus, le heckin' slave guy? GUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT I HATE HIM
>Ill burn EVERY copy i roll
>what a piece of garbage fuck that guy grrrrrrrrrr i'm glad he's the most evil character in the game!
It's actually funny

>>282940119
>dwarf
wat
>golem
WUT

>>282940119
Thise are not mutually exclusive. Hell in a lot of these cases they just make the demon lord/ultimate villain the ultra bad slave master that needs to be toppled

>>282942308
All the warmongers are fuckable though, so you can't make their fans mad

>>282942958
Rape gud
Slavery gud
Rape slavery GUD

>>282917164 (OP)
What does EVERY GODDAMN ISEKAI STORY have slavery in it? Even the ones that happen in game worlds? You mean those game developers put slavery in their products willy-nilly and faced no backlash?

>>282943266
Just look at this. Don't you want to see it in chains?

>>282943266
I wish more developers would deliberately add slavery to their games specifically as a fuck you to America.

>>282943305
Same.

>>282917484
Should've just killed the witch or whoever replaces her for this trope.. they're basically never cute with all their disgusting deluded arrogance in every frame.

>>282917164 (OP)
>Why don't they just start a civil war, overthrow the government, outlaw slavery and hunt down everyone who engages in it?
Wouldn't that hurt the economy? Now you have all of these extra people running around, meaning less jobs, less production, and no money being distributed.

>>282942908
I mean witches have a yellow star on them.

>>282924811
>becomes god capital G with the power to manifest ANYTHING
>immediately nukes India
shiiiiieeeeet

>>282939977
>Does it though? You really like praying so much? You want to trade bacon and alcohol for raping little girls?
>Yes
>No
>I don't eat pork and I drink maybe 5 times a year
I said it lies closer to my values not that I am muslim, retard.

>>282939884
Shit that quickly destroys the country
t. Pole

>>282918005
If i had a slave girl and she liked talking with me, hold hand and cuddling I would quickly fall in love in her, treat her as my most precoius property eventually and free her. Maybe she would marry me and we would become our own mutual property.

>>282917277
I would literally just nuke every country with people that are less than 95% white or ethnic japanese. So most of earth.

>>282939977
>>282943419
lmao xD certified assburger 4chan moment

If I had cheat powers I would use them to make all women ugly and barren

>>282939996
>That's why the MC's apparent distaste for slavery gets an average paragraph and that's it.
No, its because manga/anime isn't political

>>282943419
t. child raping sandnigger (not human)

>>282943586
Why do white people want to kill everyone except the Japanese.

>>282943700
nta but the USA turned Japan into effecitvely a vasal state, the Japanese are good lapdogs.

>>282943745
So are europoors thoughalbeit

>>282943632
>

>>282943566
That's the social dynamic that actually was prevalent for millenia. Although you still owned your wife, because people back then hadn't succumbed to the insane notion that women are essentially the same as men (which they most certainly aren't, in some respects they're better, in many others they are worse).

>>282943838
Feminism is going to be the downfall of society, thinking women should be deployed for war where they will be certainly raped and killed vs men where they could be raped but likely killed is retarded.

>>282943700
I want to kill 95% of other white people instead.

>>282943838
>>282943566
>and she liked talking with me, hold hand and cuddling
No she wouldn't. If no girl wants you itl, you could rape her but not make her fall in love with you.

>>282943700
For me and I imagine most people, brown people are generally just really ugly and gross. Black people look like poop, brown people look like diarrhea.

>>282943838
>>282943566
And you are right, marriage then was often a slevery with raping where wife hated husband but was manipulated and intimidated

>>282943700
honorary aryans

>>282944030
>>282944081
>t. brainwashed feminist
Your fantasies about violence and rape have nothing to do with reality.
For me, beating and raping my wife, as well as forcing someone to be with me, is completely incomprehensible, mentally alien, and I don't know how anyone could do such a thing.
I just want to hold hands, cuddle, and be able to rely on each other in every situation.

>>282944069
go back your /pol/

>>282944151
>/pol/'s into your mouth

>>282944127
People like muslims and most browns that unironically believe in the idea of force raping your wife into submission is precisely why we dronestrike them.

>>282943566
>If i had a slave girl
If you had a slave girl you would be an opressor. Why would she want to show you affection? Of course, you can force or threaten her, but it wont be honest.

If you want to read about isekai where someone tries to overthrow slavery there is plenty of westoid webslop about that now. Isekai being a global phenomenon means writers from all nations and languages took a stab at it and Americans are obsessed with slavery so of course that was covered really early on (e.g. A Hero's War from 10 fucking years ago).

Orientals however do not give a shit and its purely a fetish thing to them so don't ask them to explore the issue.

>>282944389
This.
>>282944375
Is that true? I had to free her immediately after getting if I want to have a chance of gaining her sympathy?

>>282943566
Based.

>>282940060
>Slave was a goi
She was Asian.

>>282944375
>If you had a slave girl you would be an opressor.
I'm well past your labels affecting me

>>282944182
women like being raped, muslims are correct.

>>282940352
And that's without considering wage slavery

>>282917164 (OP)
Read the "Guardians of the Flame" books by Joel Rosenberg.

>>282944795
B-but I don't want to rape, even if I could do it legally I would prefer cuddling and making her happy.
If she really like it I wold do it for her, but it wouldn't be exactly rape.

>>282940882
Never understood how the fuck tptb managed to engineer a society where surprise sex and slavery is a sin worse than death especially when at the same time religious beliefs in an afterlife dropped drastically

>>282944834
>wage slavery
ok. but even a rich upper-middle class man cant effort a slave girl. you have to be a bill gates tier
Moreover, itt we are considering if a slave can truly fall in love with an shy, short and ugly master.

>>282944873
women enjoy being raped and orgasm during 55% of rapes, its statistically prove that women love being raped.

>>282917277
The real world doesnt have sexy beast girls or elf women though

>>282917205
>Do you travel to the middle east and beat your set of morals into everyone with a bat?

Actually our preferred method is Joint Direct Attack Munitions

>>282945463
Anon that doesn't prove anything. If I tied you to a chair and jerked you off you'd cum too, does that mean you enjoy getting raped by fat hairy men?

>>282917205
>Do you travel to the middle east and beat your set of morals into everyone with a bat?

Did that twice

>>282917164 (OP)
it can't be helped

>>282944902
Feed people fast food, porn and other quick dopamine on a constant basis, and you can engineer a whole lot more than that.

Same reason we don't overthrow the government in real life. It's still too comfy, and I'm not willing to throw away my life to help people who hate me anyways. We've got a real satanic cult of cannibalistic child rapists running the USA and Israel. To me it's like whatever. Not my problem.

>>282917164 (OP)
Read Butareba then.

>>282917205
WE USED WITH BOMBS UNTIL YOU DUMB LEFTIES MADE A BUZZ ABOUT IT

>>282917164 (OP)
Kill yourself, moralfaggot.

>>282946357
We love porn here.

There are two schools of thought

>>282917577
if I don't have those slaves, someone else will

>>282943566
Someone post that one image of the the Ln where the slave the person loves gets freed and immediately betrays him from the last bait thread

>>282946397
Nepalese overthrew theirs. We don't overthrow ours because their army is too well equipped.

I started watching shieldbro recently and I definitely understand why trannies were crying about it.

Which isekai has the most realpolitik slavery and market focus? I've already seen the basics

>>282943700
we love japs

>>282950772
Overlord.

>>282939895
>recent rape threads chain kino
can you elaborate?

>>282939895
/v/ doesn't btfo of anyone, its populated solely by the retards that even /pol/ rejected (you go to /vg/ to actually talk about videogames)

>>282951079
based

>>282950976
no skellies for me, boss

>>282943266
>What does EVERY GODDAMN ISEKAI STORY have slavery in it?
Because slavery was quite common in history. It took different forms, but it was around. So it's not unusual for authors to make use of it when setting their story in a historically inspired time.

>>282945751
Indeed, most of the people enslaved in the past 200-300 years across the world (including places like Mauritania where its prevalent to this day) basically look like baboons, so it should boggle your mind why they even bothered at all. You can really very quickly understand that the economics of modern slavery was from the get go not one of "oh we couldn't build or produce these things without this free labor (which isn't actually free)" but really one of a long con along the lines of "these creatures will steal jobs from white men and in the long run become a social class of bioweapons that (((we))) can use to divide and conquer society".

>>282952671
Buddy I just want to lick a kemonomimi girl

>>282953554
Isn't that just grooming?

>>282953755
I don't see how wanting to lick a woman with animal ears has any relation to grooming.

>>282953755
It can be
Or just me licking their tummy and ears

>>282953554
I'm right there with you but with nekomimi, just saying though.

>>282945887
That explosion wasn´t caused at least in it´s entirety by that rocket.

>>28294340
dude how the fuck did I never realize the witch's brooch is a fucking star of david and seeing as how they get privileges just for wearing that thing everywhere coupled with the fact that elaina only ever seems to care about other witches this story is starting to feel like it was written by a zionist

>>282955180
Meant for
>>282943409

>>282943566
The fate of isekai slave fags who want their vanilla romances

>>282918796
>Did Japan ever have civil wars
What the fuck do you think the Warring States was?

>>282944456
anon, i...

>>282917164 (OP)
Because they didn't have a Cassius Clay level mother fucker shooting everyone who approved of slavery.

>>282951079
Elden Ring does have rape in it, though. It has an entire questline about rape. You can roofie one of your friends, the daughter of one of your allies, and then give her to an evil sorcerer to rape and enslave in exchange for tutoring lessons.

>>282918796
Pretty much all of Japan's history of war until the 20th century was civil war retard

>>282956118
>

>>282940638
>>282942308

>>282917164 (OP)
>Legal reform
Aren't you supposed to be saving the world?

>>282917164 (OP)
Why should I condone it? It's not my fucking problem.

>>282955180
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_badge

>>282941702
Shouldn't've enslaved them in the first place to avoid those problems, just execute them if you're so concerned about their future.
>>282941953
I could do that, but I've noticed you're coughing, so to keep the rest of my slaves productive, you're being sold to the local circus to be skinned alive for entertainment. Surely that compares to being scammed into some shitty contract or military service.

>>282917164 (OP)
Why are westoids obsessed with virtue signaling slavery on fictional settings but do nothing about the jew problem IRL?

>>282959047
You aren't supposed to notice that

>>282917164 (OP)
>Why do isekai MCs condone slavery? Why don't they just start a civil war, overthrow the government, outlaw slavery and hunt down everyone who engages in it?
Slavery existed since the dawn of mankind.
The reason slavery reached a tipping point that led to revolt was because the technological developments of the time lead to a much larger slave force that was needed for a much longer than typical.

Before, slavery was generally 5, 7, or 10 years, and specifically to pay off debt.

But once africans figured out they could sell their POWs to foreigners, for life, that changed.

The reason most isekai that have slavery doesn't have a huge social upheaval is because it's treated as an isolated and small thing.

Remember, slavery in the rest of the world wasn't the same as the slavery the British subjected their domain to.

>>282959532
>Slavery existed since the dawn of mankind.
cute of you to assume it ever ended

>>282917164 (OP)
they want to be unconditionally loved, and the only way for them to get it is to force others with a magical slavery mark that will make being rejected impossible

>>282959798
>>282959047

>>282958375
? I know what that is. I was just trying to say that it's painted as a good thing in this anime, like an inverse ww2 scenario where wearing the badge grants you privileges instead of discrimination.

>>282959627
That was pretty retarded on anon's part but at least it is nice seeing someone who understands technological development makes slavery worse.
Too many people in the west buy into the idea that technology somehow made slaves obsolete when in reality every technological revolution has made slavery exponentially more prominent and cruel on a global scale.

>>282938716
The irony is that despite being the first, most well known, and most well handled example of isekai slavery, Shield Hero gets lumped in with all the shallow slave isekai stories. It shows that no matter how carefully you use the element in your story, it will be seen as trashy and degenerate no matter what. Which is why most isekai post-Shield Hero don't even bother trying to integrate the concept with reason and go straight to throwing it in as fetish bait instead.

>>282960368
I'm pretty sure that several series predated Shield Hero in including slaves, including Harem in the Labyrinth of Another World.

So how much do people here actually consume slave stuff rather than talk about 3dpd real life shit

>>282960368
>all the shallow slave isekai stories
I unironically wonder the fuck are normalniggers even reading because I can hardly find any examples of this beyond redo of healer, which arguably isn't even a proper example due to being literal smut.
And even there the MC does free her from the slavery status.
The only examples I ever see are shield hero and ONLY shield hero, and one literal who parody I forgot the name of.
Unless people are somehow arguing with meikyuu? Which is also literal smut mind you and the MC says it loud and clear he doesn't care about it being immoral by modern goyim standards (even in the anime IIRC) because he already killed people so who the fuck cares at that point.

>>282917164 (OP)
The US Supreme Court upheld Nestlé's right to own slaves in other countries in like, 2021, why didn't people rise in rebellion against it?
Same thing really

>>282960705
Himekishi ga classmate?

>>282960799
That doesn't fall into the "MC gets isekai'd and instantly beelines into a slave market to get a cute loli" meme, the MC was the slavemancer himself.
And trying to make it fit with the "close enough" cope is even dumber because that's the cope people use when realizing the proto-isekai and original otome JRPG don't exist either.

>>282960705
nigger playing dumb about the trope of
>cute oppressed slave wife rescued by her kind and benevolent master sama she loves from the bottom of her heart
is so disingenuous. though i dont actually have an issue with slavery in isekai at all

>>282960705
Isekai Meikyuu Harem?

>>282960869
>rescued by her kind and benevolent master sama
That's not "went into a slave market to buy one before so much getting an inn reservation" now is it?
>>282960882
That's literally the michio one I mentioned, can you even read?

>>282960958
>strawman

>>282917164 (OP)
why don't you despite jews existing in real life?
why do you care more about fictional characters than real people?

>>282961231
There's an entire thread above you with people complain that isekai mcs condone slavery you dishonest cunt.
>>282960869
>slave fighters
>haha i meant stories where isekaijins free slaves actually
kill urself

>>282917164 (OP)
Does Raph actually love him? He her?

>>282960541
Or how much do people need a romance to happen in their slave material?

>>282961435
>strawmans again
The complaint is that it's a common trope for mc's to either directly engage in slavery or only pay lip service to condemning it, which I think is a retarded complaint, but it is a common occurence. This is not the same thing as "went into a slave market to buy one before so much getting an inn reservation" which you understand "with people complain that isekai mcs condone slavery you dishonest cunt" meaning you are, in fact, being disingenuous. Also, in that manga, the main character is a slave who reincarnated as a nobleman and buys slaves so he can treat them well within the confines of a society in which slavery is an enshrined institution, including the loli he was fond of in his past wife who, now older than his current self, becomes his lover.
As I said, I don't have an issue with isekai slavery, I just think you're being an obnoxious fag.

>>282960849
It's different because no one's claiming the proto-otome exists. An otome story always starts with "there was this one game I played once". It's a hypothetical game. No's not claiming a game that is 1:1 exists irl, in fact, it makes sense to avoid that due to copyright. It makes sense within the context of the story. Same as no one cares about a proto-netoge.
Konosuba meanwhile is a lazy parody, like idk Scary/Superhero Movie and those lump a bunch of tropes together. It also worries about building its own unique setting. It becomes a problem if the watcher thinks Konosuba represents all isekai, and a proto-isekai exists, but there's one or other "real trope" e.g. sometimes isekaijin talks to a god.

>>282961756
>>The complaint is that it's a common trope for mc's to either directly engage in slavery or only pay lip service to condemning it,
this is just massively moving the goalpost
i dont see you calling out jews either so you are just being hypocritical

>>282962192
>>It's different because no one's claiming the proto-otome exists.
i see you never browse threads for those series

>>282962271
sure when you move the goalposts of what counts.
>this is all completely made up nothing like this exists
>uhh no there are many games like that
>but is the exact title, setting, every single plot beat, every single harem member, name of this fictional game the same? heh, tough luck.
>...

>>282961468
it's mutual, but it doesn't click for him until later. Or at least, he's hesitant, afraid even, to address the issue.

>>282962259
>moving goalposts
You don't know what that means, you dumb nigger.
>da joos
What does Isn't Real have to do with isekai slavery, and how am I being a hypocrite, you're just saying words you bot

>>282917164 (OP)
>Why do isekai MCs condone slavery?
Because they get to buy a few female slaves and use them as their assistants in all manner of things. Since slaves are so useful, isekai MCs subconsciously acknowledge that abolishing slavery would be a shocking waste.

>>282960541
What is this? Saucenao doesn't give me anything

>>282917164 (OP)
The entire point of introducing slavery in your ln/manga is
>I need mc to have a cute sexy gf
>But for that I need to explain WHY would she want to bounce on mc-kun's cock
>Make her a slave, she is treated like a subhuman, mc does the impossible which is note being a trashy human being and treat her kindly
>Slave gf falls in love
There is your reason, a civil war or anything you are suggesting aren't the focus of the story especially since the nips are conformist by nature and don't like rocking the boat

>>282963031
https://nhentai.net/g/600860/

>>282963333
>hypnosis
disappointing
thanks though

>>282943266
Because muh exceptionally beautiful super talented secretly royalty virgin slave that loves me unconditionally that I bought for literal pennies.

>>282938716
Shield Hero is a pretty shitty example, because they don’t need to be slaves in his scenario at all. Pretty much after the first few scenes with Raphtalia, she’s already down to be part of his party anyway, with no subsequent characters ever being “in danger” of ditching, as they still partnered of their own volition. It’s Naofumi’s mind goblins doing the talking in quite literally every other instance because he’s a limp-dicked faggot who listens to mind goblins over trustworthy friends who quite literally have nothing to gain by abandoning him in the first place.

>>282943700
the big man said they're honorary

>>282917164 (OP)
Average isekai MC (and reader) is a shallow covert narcissist, aka someone who really only cares about being liked. Owning a slave is just a means to that end.

>>282917449
It's a suboptimal economic strategy.

>>282964093
>because they don’t need to be slaves in his scenario at all.
But they have to be. He's so down on his luck and he is motivated to go forward, so he has no choice but to commit a "villainous" act by purchasing a slave. If Raphtalia just choose to join him because she was free to do so would defeat the point the story was trying to make at the time.

>>282964208
Half right, we are the narcissist that care about our own well being, looking good, SEX and being powerful not the one that want to be liked by others.

>>282917164 (OP)
because those isekai civs haven't unlocked slavery abolishment in their civics/social policy tree

>>282932539
Yes, and Putin doesn't own any mansions
>>282918618
If they are land-owning nobility then they are interested in providing as much crops as possible.
>>282937138
Punishment on it's own is retarded and ends up breeding more criminals. Also, you can't just sell prisoners to private citizens.
>>282938054
>See slaves
>Have narration going "that's fucked up"
>Save up power and fuck slavers up or just convince people that it's not economically viable
also
>impose modern morality
You saying this as if it's something bad
>>282944389
Where is my resistance fighter fetish?

>>282917164 (OP)
The Samurai craves slavery

I haven't watched much isekai/fantasy because the writing is usually trash and I hate game mechanics, but I'd like watching something with a slave or wife ownership dynamic, what are the best ones?

>>282941723
Man that's actually awful

>>282955728
Well, you know what they say
The best master is the one who dies before the slave revolt starts.
As long as you're holding someone over a barrel, why the hell would they ever tell you the truth? Do they really consider that a betrayal?

>>282964702
bruhdder, rudeus unironically doesnt own any slaves, at the point his buttbuddy goes to buy one rudeus already lost his virginity years before that point with the tsundere bitch and is like 3 chapters away from marrying his childhood friend
why are normalniggers so ignorant about everything they try use as an argument?

>>282964702
>>Save up power and fuck slavers up or just convince people that it's not economically viable
>also
>>impose modern morality
>You saying this as if it's something bad
I don't see you rising up against the kikes, so this is just hypocrisy from your part lmao.

>>282964702
>it's not economically viable!!
The entire first world is propped up by third world slave labor right now. It would be quadripple viable in isekailand where most of the slaves are beast people who are physically stronger and more durable than any human.
Also
>you saying this as if it's something bad
>wtf bro just throw around your power, might makes right, surely this will change society the way I want it to be
so basically you DO approve of colonialism, but only if you're the colonizer

Slavery is illegal in Japan, so being to own sex slaves is a nice change of pace.

>>282917164 (OP)
>TenSura
Rimuru opposes slavery, but arguably also soft-brainwashes (via naming) his followers though it does require consent by the namee to work.
>MT
Rudeus condones slavery but doesn't own any slaves himself.
>Overlord
Forcefully conquers others and his followers might abuse their power, but in general people under his rule are free due to "undead automation".
>Shield Hero
Naofumi owns slaves out of necessity and to buff them but acts like a mother toward them.
>Re:Zero
Didn't read/watch, so no idea.
>Konosuba
None.
>Bookworm
Nobles often treat commoners and especially orphans like slaves, but Myne thinks it's foolish.
>Youjo Senki
None, unless conscription counts.
>Death March
Satou picks up the beastgirls keeping them as slaves temporarily due to discrimination issues. He buys Arisa and Lulu due to Arisa hitting a nat20 roll on her mind magic against him, but they are under a Geas that forces them to kys if they are freed. After resolving their social/magical issues he eventually frees all 5 of them.
>Hamefura/Bakarina
None.
>Kenja no Mago
None.
>Knight's & Magic
IIRC not even the "evil empire" has slavery.
>Black Summoner
Only non-smut isekai I can think of that actually does the whole "buy slave out of sheer hedonism" thing unironically.

Yeah, I am not seeing it.

>>282965637
Based.

>>282965727
Naofumi also is also making an army of hyperdeveloped demihuman children to fight the waves

>>282965727
just like most "criticisms" against isekai (most of which are still the ones from the carriages are unmanly pasta to this day because westoids are that uncreative), if you start listing up series you quickly start realizing said "criticisms" tend to be either made up or from battle harems/shounenshit
you basically have to dive deep into parody trash to even come close to having examples, and the problem with those is they tend to assume they are making fun of "real" series that serve as examples, except those don't exist

>>282966063
To their credit, some of the newest "criticisms" tend to be from gookslop and chinkslop instead.
If this is worse or better is up to you, but it is definitively funnier for me.

>>282917277
No, only one country in the middle east. And its not any of the muslim ones.

>>282965779
>child soldiers gud
Bro..

>>282917164 (OP)
Because the vast majority of people IRL also don't give a fuck as long it doesn't affect them directly.
Just because they don't wear chain doesn't mean that they're not slaves, the clothes and iphones that are bought en masse by normalfags are made by people that are essentially slaves in everything but in name.
Hell, the Football World Cup in 2022 have shown that most people cared more about LGBT representation than fucking slavery and the slaves there were unironically treated like shit like most people would imagine when they hear the word "slavery".

>>282951079
Based.

>>282944795
Thats gramatically imposible.

>>282963273
>"trashy subhuman" in the sense of an ordinary, shy, unattractive boy

>>282917164 (OP)
because isekai is written for insecure losers that like the idea of having direct control over their waifu

>>282963273
What if I just find the abuse of helpless beastgirls arousing?

>>282968214
I like the idea that being nice to slave girl threaten like a trash is one of the few ways any girl could like me, enjoys cuddles and handholding, fall in love and marry me (if any)
t. insecure losers

>>282968106
someone forces them to work there? puts you in chains? fenced with barbed wire? threatens with a gun?

>>282968398
Did you even read my post or are you that fucking clueless about modern slavery?

>>282968398
>someone forces them to work there?
Yes. Did you hear about "the fear of losing your job" and how it is abused in society? It's pretty popular topic in Japan.

>>282968470
So its not slavery but personal choice. Slave is forced to work.

>>282968355
Will it work for a short, shy guy? or will she do that >>282955858 ?

>>282968505
Holy shit, you're a rich kid aren't you?
The vast majority of people only work because they don't want to starve or go homeless, ALL of them would stop working if they were to win the lottery.
It's even something you can see in this very industry.

>>282968505
>personal choice
Teen post.

>>282968541
>>282968547
So every work = slavery?

>>282917164 (OP)
Why would they?

Why would I declare an unwinnable* war against the entire word? Why would I dedicate myself to fight a war that isn't in my interest? For what?
Forcing my morality over an entire world?

Too much of a hassle.


*You cannot be in 100 places at once, you cannot have total control. Slavery exist even today, despite it being banned.

>>282968567
People who work and enjoy their jobs are the exceptions but society need you to believe the opposite.
You'll understand once you start working, though it really seems that you're a rich kid so your parents will probably use and abuse their connections to make your life easy.

>>282968567
I my native language the word "work" came from word "slave". Ancients knew.

>>282965215
Did kikes also drank all your tap water?

>>282968523
>>282968355
>>282943566
So why it isn't work today? Upper middle class man can free a girl from her low wage work, will she fall in love with he then?

>>282968580
>*You cannot be in 100 places at once
You can become a leader of 99 people

>>282917164 (OP)
Honestly if I was put into a world with slavery I'd immediately partake in it. Treat them nice sure but I'd have no qualms otherwise. Slavery being some great evil regardless of circumstance is a bunch of nonsense.

>>282917164 (OP)

It depends:

1. If it isn't a power fantasy isekai, it is because the MC acknowledges they are not all powerful and attempting to do something that requires sticking their necks out as a complete outsider is dangerous. They could take the initiative to put an end to it if the manage to gain some level of influence, but the risk is still there, and whether they choose to go forward with the plan to put an end to it or not is more so reflective on how meek/cowardly the author is.


2. If it is a power fantasy isekai, then its is because the target audience is fags who cannot get into contact with the opposite sex unless they can buy them. They conflate the love they seek in a pet as the same between humans since they are incapable of forming meaningful relationships with someone/something that wasn't selectively bred to love them unconditionally. This reflects in how they author themself doesn't understand human relations.

3. It is a topic that is difficult for the story writer to implement in a story set in pre-industrial societies as they likely know fuck all about politics and economics so they just avoid addressing it entirely.

>>282968863
>since they are incapable of forming meaningful relationships with
maybe they are, but no girl wants them because they are shy/sperg/unattractive/low?
>selectively bred to love them unconditionally
you can make a friendship with a lot of wild animals, for example jackdaws

>>282917164 (OP)
Because writers need an easy way to expand the harem

>>282959016
Don't even get me started on how crappy health care is.

Thread is 2 days old and Californian moralfags still didn't win.

>>282917164 (OP)
Because after the 90s and early 2000s isekai just became an outlet for the mentally ill.

>>282968398
Yes, the CCP does do all of that to sweatshop workers except put them in chains.

>>282968505
>its a personal choice of his when gnushka's parents sell him to a cobalt mining operation in africa who force him to work in the mines all day to produce the raw materials to export to china so that some fat fuck across the ocean can brag about his EV.
>all those child sex slaves on epstein's island? personal choice.
>the entire cartel human smuggling operation? personal choice
Holy fuck anon, really???

>>282968505
Unironically, go watch the documentary
>The Sound of Freedom
if you want to understand how bad the world really is

>>282968398
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_issues_involving_the_2022_FIFA_World_Cup

>>282917164 (OP)
>Why do isekai MCs condone slavery? Why don't they just start a civil war, overthrow the government, outlaw slavery and hunt down everyone who engages in it?
That is the most retarded question I ever saw in my life, but fuck it, it's morning and I feel like talking about it.
Besides the fact that AMERICAN slavery isn't the same as JAPANESE slavery, why the fuck would the mc give a shit about slavery in a country that doesn't affect him, with him people he doesn't know or are even the same SPECIES as him? At the most his worry is about surviving or going back to a world that has internet and his family (though Isekai nowadays just make mcs all orphans out of laziness), you might as well just see slavery in Isekai as the japanese loose idea of medieval/European slavery with some servile "muh loyalty to master" mentality that is in the nips dna

>>282928818
What would be better, an Isekai where the MC acts like John Brown, or one where the MC is John Brown?

>>282917164 (OP)
The real answer is that the reason slavery is a thing in those stories is to create characters that are literally incapable of going against the MC in any way to appeal to losers who no sane person would want to interact with, which is why it always includes magic induced brainwashing and/or instant inescapable death if the slave dares to not obey the MC.