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Anonymous No.282944362 [Report] >>282944439 >>282944832 >>282945187 >>282946525 >>282946566 >>282946653 >>282947896 >>282956966 >>282963535 >>282964447 >>282965792 >>282965960 >>282967801 >>282972954 >>282992562 >>282994077 >>282994473 >>282997239 >>282997369 >>282999279
Houseki no kuni
just finished Houseki no kuni
did she deserve it?
Anonymous No.282944439 [Report] >>282966026
>>282944362 (OP)
nobody deserves anything that happens to them, not the good things and not the bad things
Anonymous No.282944832 [Report]
>>282944362 (OP)
Only Phos was pure enough to turn suffering into something good, so like maybe she did deserve it
Anonymous No.282944944 [Report] >>282996525
>If we make her hate us enough, eventually she will be too exhausted to care.
>Genius!
Anonymous No.282945040 [Report]
lmao fuck Phos.
Anonymous No.282945062 [Report] >>282945407 >>282946556
No, and the moonies didn't deserve the easy way out either.
If ichikawa had balls instead of masturbating to daddy the whole last stretch of the manga, phos would have prayed himself away and fucked off, but nooo, Buddhism took preference.
Anonymous No.282945187 [Report]
>>282944362 (OP)
yes! that's the price of becoming a god
Anonymous No.282945244 [Report] >>282945454 >>282945951 >>282973648 >>282997135
cinnabar makes me seethe more than Griffith, i just cant explain why.
Anonymous No.282945407 [Report] >>282945964
>>282945062
you think every manga should end with the MC killing themself out of spite
Anonymous No.282945454 [Report]
>>282945244
i think it's because of the constant authorial intent that cinnabar is right and phos is wrong and that phos should care about cinnabar but it's ok for cinnabar to give no fucks about phos because it's all phos fault for going to the moon without her
Anonymous No.282945914 [Report] >>282961790
>30 chapters of padding
>Just to reach chapter 108 as finale
Anonymous No.282945951 [Report] >>282969112
>>282945244
Worst gem
Anonymous No.282945964 [Report] >>282946136 >>282946153 >>282946641 >>282946752
>>282945407
No, just this particular one, because
>be the absolute worst humans around
>zero self reflection
>can't advance
>torture someone else to pray you away
>spend 10000 years partying instead of reflecting
>... get what you want
It was as unsatisfying as it gets.
Anonymous No.282946136 [Report] >>282946278 >>282950339
>>282945964
What's the point of Phos holding on to 10,000 years of anger? What does it achieve?
Anonymous No.282946153 [Report] >>282946278 >>282946653
>>282945964
isn't that the point? showing the retardedness of Pure Land?
Anonymous No.282946200 [Report] >>282946407
It doesn't matter if there's retribution or anything, the ending just feels experimental in the worst of ways.
>write 98 chapters about internal struggles, personal growth, post apocalyptic creatures
>dude just run Disk defragment on that thing for 10000 years
>time skip
>everyone turns into basically a different being
>poof
>entirely different story
So yeah, not exactly the most satisfying of endings.
Anonymous No.282946278 [Report] >>282946375 >>282946388 >>282946465 >>282946548 >>282946752 >>282949007 >>282984761
>>282946136
>>282946153
That's why putting the themes of a story before characters or rational actions sucks
>no you see my story is about Buddhism so of course phos would let 10000 years if torture go away
Anonymous No.282946375 [Report]
>>282946278
>it's bad writing when the character doesn't act like me
Anonymous No.282946388 [Report]
>>282946278
You can't just say it's irrational. Why should Phos hold on to that anger, what's the point?
Anonymous No.282946407 [Report] >>282946837 >>282946982 >>282955816
>>282946200
Phos genociding everything would have been 10 times better
Anonymous No.282946465 [Report] >>282946485
>>282946278
>tfw seeking Enlightenment is just that
Anonymous No.282946485 [Report]
>>282946465
Anon is NOT escaping samsara
Anonymous No.282946525 [Report] >>282946551
>>282944362 (OP)
>did she deserve it?
asking this question reveals that you have yet to grasp dukkha
Anonymous No.282946548 [Report]
>>282946278
you need to remember that these "characters" are immortal rock people with no real conception of time
Anonymous No.282946551 [Report]
>>282946525
dukk dez nutz
Anonymous No.282946556 [Report]
>>282945062
You'll never reach enlightenment that way
Anonymous No.282946566 [Report] >>282966130 >>282982895
>>282944362 (OP)
Deserve's got nothing to do with it.
Anonymous No.282946641 [Report]
>>282945964
>>zero self reflection
They changed their ways and made amends by fixing the gems
>>can't advance
Yes, that's the cause of their suffering
>>torture someone else to pray you away
Phos wanted to be the saviour, he got what he wanted
>>spend 10000 years partying instead of reflecting
Existence is suffering for them, they waited 10000 more years in anxiety over whether Phos would pray or not
Anonymous No.282946653 [Report]
>>282946153
Is it retarded if it works though? At the end everyone got what they wanted.

>>282944362 (OP)
Phos burned through all bad karma from going into a revenge arc and ended up in a better spot. Usually Buddhist hells last significantly longer than that so Phos was actually lucky here.
Anonymous No.282946752 [Report] >>282956727
>>282946278
>>282945964
Don't you see that this is the buddha nature?
It means nothing, who these people are and what they have done. It is the same, whether they have wronged you or not. They mean nothing and it costs you nothing to send them on their way.
There is no reason why Phos wouldn't just do it, because Phos has no attachment to this world. To borrow from another one of the vinegar tasters:
>The heavens are not humane, they treat all things as straw dogs.
>The sage is not humane, he treats all people as straw dogs.
Anonymous No.282946837 [Report]
>>282946407
>inb4 Erenfag
Honestly if you get to the point where the MC killing everyone is narratively sound but you can't actually do it, then you fucked up somewhere.
Anonymous No.282946982 [Report]
>>282946407
i mean, she did
She make whole moonie disappear out of exitance
Anonymous No.282947896 [Report]
>>282944362 (OP)
>she
Anonymous No.282949007 [Report]
>>282946278
your ass is going to Naraku for 1 billion years and coming back as a worm
Anonymous No.282949338 [Report] >>282957488
You can tell that at some point Ichikawa had an itch, she just had to draw a bunch of impossibly pretty women being glamorous and wild and sexually unrestrained, and she destroyed her own plot to fit it into the story, then regretted it, wiped the board clean, introduced the rock bro collection, then quickly ended the story and pretended it was planned. I won't blame anyone for having a weird horny phase but if she had to schlick her rocks off so badly.she should just have put the manga on pause to get it out of her system.
Anonymous No.282950230 [Report] >>282950329 >>282952717
post moon phos
Anonymous No.282950329 [Report] >>282950403 >>282953226
>>282950230
my rock bride
Anonymous No.282950339 [Report]
>>282946136
They didnt deserve peace.
Anonymous No.282950403 [Report] >>282953226
>>282950329
MY rock bride
Anonymous No.282952717 [Report] >>282957601
>>282950230
Anonymous No.282953001 [Report]
>immortal beings with deprived lives filled with suffering and existential dread are introduced to carnal pleasures for the first time ever
>every single one of them turn into unhinged, hedonistic sluts
I really don't like it but this is pretty accurate
Anonymous No.282953226 [Report] >>282957601
>>282950403
>>282950329
MY rock bride
Anonymous No.282954311 [Report] >>282954863 >>282957601 >>282967328 >>282967351
you wouldn't fuck a rock
Anonymous No.282954863 [Report] >>282955563 >>282956091
>>282954311
Anonymous No.282955563 [Report]
>>282954863
Me on the left, right, left, left, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, left, pov, left, left, right, left, right, right, left, left, left
Anonymous No.282955651 [Report]
you wouldn't date a cute rock
Anonymous No.282955816 [Report]
>>282946407
But that's ehat phos did. They killed all the earth gems and sensei. It just vot followed up by the moonies taking all the gems to the moon, because that's what they'd do anyway
Anonymous No.282955961 [Report] >>282956141 >>282956344 >>282959344 >>282966090 >>282966185 >>282967827 >>282968503 >>282969032 >>282994687
Is there any way to read this without the tranny subtext, im not an esl and know that "they" can refer to someone in the singular, but im also not an idiot and know that "they" is used when the person that is being refered to is unknow/hidden/not present
Anonymous No.282956091 [Report] >>282956274 >>282956372
>>282954863
>the feeling for tummy kiss is revolution
I need a schizo explanation
Anonymous No.282956141 [Report] >>282997044
>>282955961
Anonymous No.282956274 [Report]
>>282956091
I want to do that so badly
Anonymous No.282956344 [Report] >>282956483
>>282955961
they're fucking rocks, you retard
Anonymous No.282956372 [Report]
>>282956091
utena
Anonymous No.282956483 [Report] >>282956983 >>282959344 >>282972132
>>282956344
rocks are things with definite articles, IT. You will never be a woman
Anonymous No.282956727 [Report] >>282961281 >>282961348 >>282966945
>>282946752
>why putting the themes of a story before characters or rational actions sucks
Anonymous No.282956827 [Report] >>282960796
the rocks are clearly all boys where is the issue
Anonymous No.282956966 [Report]
>>282944362 (OP)
>she
Yes, she deserved her PS5.
Anonymous No.282956983 [Report]
>>282956483
Anonymous No.282957488 [Report] >>282963424
>>282949338
>buddhism manga ends at 108 chapters
>you can tell it wasn't planned
There were some weird stalling detours but anyone familiar with the themes knew it would end this way.
Anonymous No.282957601 [Report] >>282957714 >>282966937 >>282972104 >>282978683
>>282952717
>>282953226
>>282954311
this Phos BUT with long hair
Anonymous No.282957714 [Report] >>282958202
>>282957601
No
Anonymous No.282958202 [Report] >>282958245
>>282957714
Anonymous No.282958245 [Report]
>>282958202
Anonymous No.282958833 [Report] >>282958967
Bort thread
Anonymous No.282958967 [Report] >>282959075 >>282964330
>>282958833
Anonymous No.282959075 [Report]
>>282958967
Anonymous No.282959344 [Report] >>282960955
>>282955961
>subtext
>>282956483
Monolingual dekinai-kun, they're geological living beings who use he/him, little brother and mostly male pronouns, in spite of acting like females most of the time. One line in particular, the English translators had to replace それ when referring to a character with "that rock", not "it". Nobody refers to the characters with it.
Lastly, the characters are admittedly drawn with the top half of a boy and the bottom of a girl.

Basically, deal with it or don't read it. It would probably fly over your head.
Anonymous No.282960589 [Report] >>282961225
Posting Bort in the Houseki no Borti thread
Anonymous No.282960711 [Report] >>282971678
>CLACK
Anonymous No.282960796 [Report]
>>282956827
i started with the anime where the call eachother nii-san so my impression was that they were all boys even while reading the manga and there is nothing manlier than rocks
Anonymous No.282960955 [Report] >>282961503 >>282964513
>>282959344
>top half of a boy
They mostly have girly faces and hairstyles
Anonymous No.282961225 [Report]
>>282960589
Anonymous No.282961281 [Report] >>282966007 >>282966191 >>282966514 >>282994670
>>282956727
There’s nothing rational about revenge just for revenges sake
Anonymous No.282961348 [Report]
>>282956727
there are no rational actors in life
Anonymous No.282961503 [Report] >>282964513 >>282966924 >>282967742
>>282960955
I was talking about the body.
>Interviewer: The gems have an unusual, mysterious charm. I feel that makes them very sexy. We know they are sexless, but how do you see and draw them?
>Ichikawa: I draw the upper part boy-like and the lower part girl-like; the inorganic, asexual ‘complete nothing’ of the minerals is definitely the most alluring thing to me.
Anonymous No.282961790 [Report] >>282966316 >>282966349 >>282966844
>>282945914
She was busy making ez money drawing for P*kemon, that was why the manga got that rushed crap ending.
Anonymous No.282963153 [Report]
no one loves Phos anymore
and that's good
Anonymous No.282963424 [Report]
>>282957488
im still salty we never got a ice floes arc

>brother was the ice floes

still bullshit
Anonymous No.282963535 [Report]
>>282944362 (OP)
You really need a high IQ to understand the ending.
Anonymous No.282964330 [Report]
>>282958967
i like the other translation
Anonymous No.282964447 [Report] >>282964513 >>282964537
>>282944362 (OP)
Why does everyone here project the gems as being women?
Anonymous No.282964513 [Report]
>>282964447
To me it's part this:
>>282960955
part :
>>282961503
>the lower part girl-like
and part their personality (not for all of them, but beginning of manga clumsy Phos feels more like a girl to me)
Anonymous No.282964537 [Report]
>>282964447
you know why
Anonymous No.282965636 [Report] >>282965703
Why did Orange never do another season?
Anonymous No.282965703 [Report]
>>282965636
studios rarely get to work on adapting whatever manga they want. first a production committee forms around the idea of adapting so and so popular manga, then they pool cash and start making offers to the studios they think would generate the most profit for the least cost, and the production committee decide how many seasons they want to commission and when
studios in the meantime only have the choice of accepting an offer to work on something, or declining it, unless some bigwig at the head of the company is both willing and able to fund it out of pocket as a passion project
Anonymous No.282965792 [Report] >>282965960
>>282944362 (OP)
Did we deserve having to wait 10,000 years for the next chapter after this was dropped?
Anonymous No.282965960 [Report]
>>282965792
>>282944362 (OP)
Anonymous No.282966007 [Report] >>282966053 >>282966082 >>282966302 >>282966902 >>282997135
>>282961281
That's where you're wrong bucko
Revenge serves a purpose in setting (or rather undoing) precedent especially evolutionary, it's essentially an important part of social Darwinism.
By giving consequences (i.e. revenge) to acts that put others at a disadvantage for personal gain, you disincentivize acting entirely out of self-interest.
Ironically enough, in Game Theory you are incentivized to work together until the other person betrays you which shows that mathematically, revenge or rather the option for revenge is actually extremely rational for solving problems.
Anonymous No.282966026 [Report]
>>282944439
This, to believe otherwise means you are a weak, vindictive fool huffing copium.
Anonymous No.282966053 [Report] >>282966077 >>282966162
>>282966007
I wasn't aware antilopes got revenge on lions or even had a mind for it.
Anonymous No.282966077 [Report]
>>282966053
You clearly lack reading comprehension
I said
>social Darwinism
We're not talking about predators and prey who cannot communicate.
Anonymous No.282966082 [Report]
>>282966007
social darwinism is an MLM scam made up to sell self-help books
Anonymous No.282966090 [Report]
>>282955961
bro it's a shoujo shit
if you are willing to read shoujo shit, you are agreeing to accept their weird behavior
Anonymous No.282966130 [Report]
>>282946566
This, but people are too retarded to understand.
Anonymous No.282966162 [Report] >>282966182
>>282966053
Antelopes probably don't understand the concept of revenge, but primates do and I think other animals who live in groups
Anonymous No.282966182 [Report]
>>282966162
Oh like a tribe. A tribalist behavior. Tribalism.
Anonymous No.282966185 [Report]
>>282955961
>muh tranny wah wah
I'm so tired of you people, have you tried not being an easily triggered little bitch
If you don't want to read something just because it doesn't have characters with vajoojays and peepees who refer to one another depending on their genitals then don't read it. Go on, spare us.
Anonymous No.282966188 [Report]
You can¡'t tell me phos turned into a human and then disable the most basic human emotions (rage and seethe).
No, time span has nothing to do with it, grudges can already last for a lifetime even with definite lifespans.
Anonymous No.282966191 [Report] >>282966209
>>282961281
There's no rational for betraying anyone.
Anonymous No.282966209 [Report] >>282966377 >>282966917
>>282966191
Char...
Anonymous No.282966302 [Report] >>282979755 >>282979829 >>282980196 >>282993823
>>282966007
Doing negative things to people has severe disadvantages even if the people never retaliate. Revenge is just about self satisfaction.
Anonymous No.282966316 [Report] >>282966876 >>282966987
>>282961790
>it's true
Cute. Did she draw anything else?
Anonymous No.282966349 [Report] >>282968291
>>282961790
>rushed crap ending
Wasn't the timing obviously so it would be completed when the phosphorous comet swung by?
Anonymous No.282966377 [Report]
>>282966209
Kycilla had it coming tho.
Anonymous No.282966514 [Report]
>>282961281
You feel better after doing it
Anonymous No.282966844 [Report] >>282968291
>>282961790
>that rushed crap ending
it's okay, you'll become a master scholar in time
Anonymous No.282966876 [Report]
>>282966316
>posting the ugly yellow border version
CAPTCHA:00W00
Anonymous No.282966902 [Report] >>282981101 >>282991057 >>282997135
>>282966007
>it's essentially an important part of social Darwinism
Yes, but social darwinism is wrong as a theory. It is not effective at predicting behavior. It's not useful to draw conclusions.
And it is wrong as an ideology, as turning hostility inwards weakens the whole group and makes it prone to attacks from the outside. It is why systems of human organization seek stabilize around the marxist maxim of "each according to their ability to each according to their need". Because on this way, can you achieve equilibibrium.
Whether this is the feudal system or the modern world.
Game theory, similarly fails on systems that are complex. Game theory only accounts for easy things and game theory is inhuman. No human, especially no early human, used a game theoretical calculus to decide whether to seek revenge or not.
Anonymous No.282966915 [Report]
Its like noone read Buddhist based story
Its nihilism at its core
Anonymous No.282966917 [Report]
>>282966209
Char did not betray Kycilia, Kycilia was a traitor to Zeon.
Anonymous No.282966924 [Report]
>>282961503
rock sex
Anonymous No.282966937 [Report] >>282997748
>>282957601
you might as well FUCK Lapis.
Anonymous No.282966945 [Report]
>>282956727
what makes you believe that immortal rock people and sentient smoke clouds are in any shape or form acting rationally in a way you could comprehend?
They're not people. They're not human, none of them are. Why do you expect them to act like humans?
Anonymous No.282966987 [Report] >>282968231
>>282966316
>Did she draw anything else?
loads of character designs for pokemon
Anonymous No.282967276 [Report]
aaaaa I love Rutile
Anonymous No.282967328 [Report] >>282967574 >>282969255
>>282954311
IT
SHOULD
HAVE
BEEN
ME
,
NOT
HIM
Anonymous No.282967351 [Report]
>>282954311
I wouldn't be so sure
Anonymous No.282967574 [Report]
>>282967328
>tags: bimbofication
Anonymous No.282967742 [Report]
>>282961503
Ichikawa is such a freak actually
Does anyone have the page froma different manga or oneshot of someone inserting their hand into a leg cavity or smth like that? It was definitely drawn to be intimate and sensual.
Anonymous No.282967752 [Report] >>282968786
Lapis sexxxooo
Anonymous No.282967801 [Report]
>>282944362 (OP)
moonies didn't deserve shit, they wanted to not exist after thousands of years being stuck in purgatory which is fair but they were massive cunts about it and just foisted it off on someone else instead of trying to find a solution that didn't involve them being assholes but they're supposed to be the scum of the earth so that checks out

phos didn't deserve the level of suffering they got but they ended up happy in the end so it's whatever

gems as a whole didn't deserve the shit they had to go through, the rocks getting turned into moonsluts over the course of 10k years was kind of a kick in the nuts after all that but at least they had time to be content before getting prayered out of existence
Anonymous No.282967827 [Report]
>>282955961
just use whatever the fuck you want it's a bunch of feminine rocks that call each other brother, nobody's gonna jump up your ass for saying he or she
Anonymous No.282968231 [Report] >>282971370 >>282971884
>>282966987
Oh shit she drew her? I always loved her. She's a Garbodorfag just like me.
Now that I think about it the elegant sharp legs, the small eyes and the bare forehead, the ribbon like hair, they really scream Ichikawa
Anonymous No.282968291 [Report] >>282968536 >>282972068
>>282966349
There is shit like that always happening, a shooting star, an eclipse, and nobody gives a fuck, also that doesn't make the ending less bad.

>>282966844
Ichikawa's fans remind me of e-whore fans, they non-ironically believe that Ichikawa loves them and that she's not just driven by money, poor retards.
Anonymous No.282968503 [Report]
>>282955961
>im not an esl
lol
Anonymous No.282968536 [Report] >>282969038
>>282968291
Ichikawa does love me
Anonymous No.282968786 [Report]
>>282967752
this, lapis is peak rock body
Anonymous No.282969032 [Report] >>282969052
>>282955961
Using "they/them" is a duckspeak dog whistle us by commiefags.
Anonymous No.282969038 [Report]
>>282968536
>Ichikawa does love me
Anonymous No.282969052 [Report] >>282969114 >>282969519
>>282969032
>shakespeare was a commie
Anonymous No.282969112 [Report] >>282973978 >>282975505
>>282945951
Woman moment: the character
Anonymous No.282969114 [Report] >>282969328
>>282969052
He wrote a story about a nog fucking the wife of a white man.
Anonymous No.282969255 [Report]
>>282967328
Anonymous No.282969328 [Report]
>>282969114
that has nothing to do with das kapital
Anonymous No.282969519 [Report]
>>282969052
>using a way folks spoke 500 yrs ago to justify modern duckspeak
Low iq individual are you?
It's obviously these jems are women. Even the author when through a horny phase with these female characters (probably to boost sales. You are being disingenuous. Gaijins are sabotaging anime/mange because the western shit is fill with activism bs and folks are tired of it.
Anonymous No.282969963 [Report] >>282969995
zzzz
Anonymous No.282969995 [Report]
>>282969963
Anonymous No.282971370 [Report] >>282971746
>>282968231
This is not confirmed, but it is suspected that Chili-chan is also an Ichikawa design. Which I can totally see.
Anonymous No.282971678 [Report] >>282971769 >>282971787
>>282960711
how do you style this hair
Anonymous No.282971746 [Report]
>>282971370
Its the eyea
Anonymous No.282971769 [Report]
>>282971678
rock
Anonymuos No.282971787 [Report]
>>282971678
with a chisel
Anonymous No.282971884 [Report]
>>282968231
also her boss
Anonymous No.282971920 [Report] >>282972000
if i employ a chisel on my bones can i look more like a rock
Anonymous No.282972000 [Report]
>>282971920
Don't
Anonymous No.282972068 [Report]
>>282968291
>Ichikawa loves them
I am literally married to Ichikawa, she loves me.
Anonymous No.282972104 [Report]
>>282957601
>no moon eye
what's the point
Anonymous No.282972132 [Report]
>>282956483
>wanting to be a woman
sounds good, but I'd much rather be a rock
Anonymous No.282972954 [Report] >>282997286
>>282944362 (OP)
No she didn't deserve. But buddhism is just mumbo jumbo cuck-adjacent shit so someone will say nobody deserves anything in existence. It was like that Omelas book where Phos got dealt the worst hand in order to let everyone else thrive.
All in all, a decent manga with a horrible ending.
Anonymous No.282973648 [Report] >>282977108
>>282945244
Because unlike Griffith who actually pulls moves and makes shit happen behind the scene Cinnabar is the passive observer that shit just kinda happens to, devoid of any agency up until the point where she realizes that Phos is the protagonist of the story.
And the first thing Cinnabar does after realizing this?
Backstab and actively fight against Phos because her life finally has meaning after Phos became the persecuted party.
Instead of joining together with Phos in a cause that Cinnabar knows deep down that she would have enjoyed riding out just as much as staying on earth.

They are the exact same person but Cinnabar is just Phos if Phos was bitchmade.
That's why Cinnabar doesn't even blame Phos for what she does, which just makes Cinnabar more unlikeable imo.
Anonymous No.282973978 [Report] >>282975505
>>282969112
Make phos stab themselves using half of the knives and achmea pushing in a few from the back and that would be more accurate
Anonymous No.282974855 [Report] >>282975178
MY rock bride
Anonymous No.282975178 [Report]
>>282974855
No they're mine
Anonymous No.282975505 [Report]
>>282969112
>>282973978
I tried
Anonymous No.282977108 [Report] >>282977236 >>282977252 >>282977997
>>282973648
I found Kongo to be far more infuriating. Cinni wasn't prefect but she didn't have bad intentions. Kongo actively fucked phos shit up
Anonymous No.282977236 [Report] >>282977770
>>282977108
Kongou being retarded is the point, though.
His attachment is his failure.
Anonymous No.282977252 [Report] >>282977770
>>282977108
He tried ok
Anonymous No.282977770 [Report] >>282977856 >>282978199
>>282977236
>>282977252
He wasn't retarded though. He was only pretending. He was complacent in unloading 10000 years of suffering onto phos so he could be free of his own duty. He also knew at some point this was the moonies end goal.
Anonymous No.282977856 [Report]
>>282977770
He's limited by what he is. His flaw is not his own but his creator's.
Anonymous No.282977997 [Report]
>>282977108
To be totally fair, he was raised by a single mom with schizophrenic BDP outbursts.
Anonymous No.282978083 [Report] >>282978180 >>282979084
CAIRNGORM IS A NIGGER
Anonymous No.282978180 [Report]
>>282978083
She's beautiful and never did anything wrong
She always helped Phos
Anonymous No.282978199 [Report] >>282979646
>>282977770
No anon, he was actively unable to pray, because his strong attachment prevented him. In other terms, he lost his engineered buddha nature.
He was not pretending to be retarded, he was not pretending to be unable.
He knew the consequences of his choices and made them accordingly.
Anonymous No.282978201 [Report] >>282978275
Borp
Anonymous No.282978275 [Report]
>>282978201
boycut borp in a maid dress
Anonymous No.282978683 [Report]
>>282957601
Insanely based statement.
Anonymous No.282978868 [Report]
I want to go back to when I hadn't read it and keep it that way.
Anonymous No.282978881 [Report] >>282979078
Anonymous No.282979078 [Report] >>282979098
>>282978881
I could have saved her
Anonymous No.282979084 [Report]
>>282978083
Yes, and I'm going to impregnate that nigger rock
Anonymous No.282979098 [Report]
>>282979078
I should have married her.
Anonymous No.282979646 [Report] >>282979703
>>282978199
But he was also aware that the moonies wanted phos to become the new praying machine and became complicit with that plan. He could have chosen to protect phos by steering him clear of this possibility or by giving him enough information that he had more agency in his own fate.
Anonymous No.282979703 [Report]
>>282979646
His attachment doomed him to inaction.
Anonymous No.282979755 [Report] >>282994596
>>282966302
>Doing negative things to people has severe disadvantages even if the people never retaliate

While I'd love if it was the case, most of the time it isn't, at least not in any society bigger than a small tribe where everyone knows everyone
Anonymous No.282979829 [Report]
>>282966302
Only losers think like this.
Anonymous No.282979927 [Report] >>282981628 >>282988344
ending would have been better if
>phos still prays for them all but just dies alone this time , no pebbles
>phos refuses to pray for them all and forces them all to keep living
the actual ending is stuck in a weird place of being simultaneously nihilistic with phos killing everyone but also too optimistic with the pebble stuff
Anonymous No.282980196 [Report] >>282983664
>>282966302
Anonymous No.282980654 [Report] >>282980851 >>282982336 >>282982788 >>282984530 >>282991994
>start: care about the gems, chiefly Phos
>mid: care about the lunarians
>late-half: still about Lunarians and sensei's builder (??)
>early-end: care about demi Phos who's nothing like actual Phos
>actual-end: care about some fucking sentient pebbles and sensei's brother
This is just messy writing and if it's supposed to use Buddhism themes or whatever, then it just fucking sucks.
I could write a manga about the the families of the heroes of The Illiad or a User Manual of a Dewalt Screwdriver and none would have any value per se. It's all about the execution.

Yukio Mishima wrote 4 books about reincarnation and Buddhist/Shinto themes without resorting to this constant PoV shift. Funnily though, he had arranged his sudoku before finishing the last book, and utterly shat the ending, much like your average Japanese writer.
Anonymous No.282980851 [Report] >>282984410
>>282980654
I don't think you understand buddhism as well as you think you do.

>Mishima
lol
lmao
Anonymous No.282981101 [Report] >>282981387
>>282966902
been a while since i have used this pic unironically.
Anonymous No.282981387 [Report] >>282981464
>>282981101
try to offer a counterargument instead, that usually works better
Anonymous No.282981464 [Report] >>282981729
>>282981387
I will as soon as you can formulate a coherent sentence, you retarded commie.
Anonymous No.282981628 [Report]
>>282979927
I wish phos had forced them to pray themselves away through self improvement.
God it was so infuriating.
Anonymous No.282981729 [Report] >>282983197
>>282981464
how is it communism to say that stable societies organize around the idea that nobody has a reason to overthrow the society?
Anonymous No.282982336 [Report]
>>282980654
This is not a Buddhism thing I think. This is more of a immortal rocks thing. When we start getting hundreds and thousands of years of timeskips it starts to get hard to care about characters from that long ago.
Anonymous No.282982788 [Report]
>>282980654
Nobody will never gaslight me into liking the nu-rocks.
They literally, LITERALLY was just rocks on screen for the last 20 chapters of the manga and i'm suppose to think that's cooler than being a hierarchy obsessed, sensei loving, moon slaying sex rock.

Nah, get the fuck out of here.
Anonymous No.282982895 [Report]
>>282946566
unironically this
Anonymous No.282983197 [Report] >>282983274
>>282981729
Not him but "each according to their ability to each according to their need" in the real world doesn't result in nobody having a reason to overthrow the society because, surprise surprise, what the ability and the need of each aren't something that can be determined objectively.
Anonymous No.282983274 [Report] >>282983489
>>282983197
No, but it can be determined in broad strokes to result in outcome that is "good enough" and "stable". Proof: all of human history.
Anonymous No.282983489 [Report] >>282983576
>>282983274
Are you like thirteen?
Anonymous No.282983576 [Report] >>282983716
>>282983489
Are you asking, because you're 12?
Anonymous No.282983664 [Report] >>282983775
>>282980196
osanai rape
Anonymous No.282983716 [Report] >>282983838
>>282983576
No, I am asking because you seem to have a very naive and simplistic view of human history. You realise of course that for a gigantic part of it societies were composed for the large majority of people that wanted to overthrow the society but simply didn't have the means to do so?
Anonymous No.282983775 [Report] >>282983886
>>282983664
You would be horribly fukushuu'd
Anonymous No.282983838 [Report] >>282983950
>>282983716
>the large majority of people that wanted to overthrow the society but simply didn't have the means to do so?
That seems like a great claim that may require some evidence.
Anonymous No.282983886 [Report]
>>282983775
As long as I got to cum inside her, I don't care what happens to me afterward.
Anonymous No.282983950 [Report] >>282984094
>>282983838
Have you ever heard of the British Empire? Have you ever heard of the Roman Empire? Have you ever heard of ancient Greece? Have you ever heard of literally every feudal society?
Anonymous No.282984094 [Report] >>282984421 >>282986436 >>282997250
>>282983950
I have.
What makes you think that there were grand rebellions against the british empire? Generally the people under British rule were better off than the ones that weren't. India is a great example of this.
Similarly, there weren't really many rebellions against Rome, neither from the core nor the periphery, because overall the Romans did provide value to the native populations and the opportunity for social mobility.

The feudal system is precisely what I am describing. Roles are assigned strictly and executed as such and as long as everyone fulfills their roles properly and there are no great external threats, the society is stable.
Everyone provides their goods and services and receives an appropriate allocation of goods and services. There may be an intermediary in the process, but that is just another service that is required for society to function.
Anonymous No.282984410 [Report] >>282984464 >>282984554
>>282980851
I also said nothing about Buddhism, so fuck off.
Why should anyone understand anything about Buddhism to appreciate, understand or be entertained by a manga about androgynous rocks. It's obviously multilayered, but if you were to argue some Buddhist theme is the only layer that sets it apart, then you'd be a fucking fool. It's like saying TBotNS is only good and deep because it's some Catholic allegory.
>lol
Not an argument, faggot.
Anonymous No.282984421 [Report] >>282984496
>>282984094
>Roles are assigned strictly and executed as such and as long as everyone fulfills their roles properly and there are no great external threats, the society is stable.
>Everyone provides their goods and services and receives an appropriate allocation of goods and services. There may be an intermediary in the process, but that is just another service that is required for society to function.

Neither of those roles or those allocations have anything to do with "each according to their ability to each according to their needs".
Anonymous No.282984464 [Report]
>>282984410
>a manga about androgynous rocks
It's a manga about buddhism, anon.
Anonymous No.282984496 [Report] >>282985110
>>282984421
You don't think that a family of farmers has the expertise to produce a good more efficiently than a family of shoemakers?
People in medieval times generally didn't starve, outside of unexpected external threats or bad governance.
Anonymous No.282984530 [Report]
>>282980654
it's just shit, unsatisfying and frustrating. should've stayed on hiatus
Anonymous No.282984554 [Report] >>282984634
>>282984410
>It's like saying TBotNS is only good
no, it isn't because your scifi pulp slop isn't good
Anonymous No.282984634 [Report] >>282984676
>>282984554
I don't think you understand how a discussion works as well as you think you do.
Anonymous No.282984676 [Report]
>>282984634
I think you are not interested in one, so why dignify you with proper answers?
Anonymous No.282984761 [Report] >>282985202
>>282946278
Maybe you still hate the girl that rejected you in highschool after 30 years but that's not how most people work
Anonymous No.282984902 [Report]
why do non-master scholars act as if Phos didn't get the best ending possible?
>get to live in bliss in the pure land
>surrounded by actual friend who love Phos for who they are
>no longer carries around the shitty angsty parts of being human
Phos meeting the pebble for the first was the absolute peak of the manga. Especially if you were a true Phos fag.
Anonymous No.282984924 [Report]
One of the most enjoyable manga reading experiences in recent memory
t. timed the reading of it perfectly to marathon all chapters right before the comet ending
Anonymous No.282985110 [Report] >>282985138 >>282985221
>>282984496
I think that if you were a family of farmers with two elderly components and a sickly child you weren't expected to give less despite your ability being lower, and you didn't get a bigger allocation of resources or services despite your needs being higher, compared to a family of shoemakers all healthy and able to work. I think slaves in ancient Rome or literally any society that practiced slavery didn't rebel because they received an appropriate allocation of good and services, they didn't rebel because when they did Rome made a string of six thousand crosses.

What your needs where had a minimal impact on what allocation of goods and services you got compared to things like circumstances of birth and what your abilities were. Pretending otherwise is ridiculous.
Anonymous No.282985138 [Report] >>282985490
>>282985110
I think you are confused, because you are shortcutting ideas instead of properly thinking them over.
Anonymous No.282985202 [Report]
>>282984761
Maybe I don't hate her anymore but if she suddenly came back, burned down my car and killed my dog to convince me to help her move I sure as fuck I wouldn't agree to do it despite refusing not bringing back my dog or my car
Anonymous No.282985221 [Report]
>>282985110
No, no. You see, the real feudalism hasn't been tried yet.
Anonymous No.282985490 [Report] >>282986019
>>282985138
Nice dodge. I'll try to simplify it for you then.

>It is why systems of human organization seek stabilize around the marxist maxim of "each according to their ability to each according to their need". Because on this way, can you achieve equilibibrium.
>Everyone provides their goods and services and receives an appropriate allocation of goods and services.
These two statements have literally nothing to do with each other. The latter is true. The former is something that was never taken into account in deciding appropriateness of allocation of resources before the birth of the modern welfare states. What happened was "everyone is required to provide their good and services in an amount mostly determined by external factors (be them the circumstances of your birth or whose nation conquered yours and took you as a slave) and receives an amount of good and services also mostly determined by the same external factors.". Your ability usually influenced those allocation in negative, but only influenced them in positive in very specific places and circumstances. Your needs literally never entered the equation.
Anonymous No.282986019 [Report] >>282986276 >>282996978
>>282985490
Your confusion is that you are individualizing, you think on the level of individual people, not people in the abstract. You talk about how people don't have the means to affect their lot in life and so on and so forth and how it is apparently impossible to objective determine what goods and services someone provides and what goods and services someone requires to survive (and to continue providing their goods and services).
This is the extent of my claim and it is obviously true, as we live in a society.

To address your idea that the circumstances of your birth are "external factors", rather than what I would consider to be part of your "ability": You're simply wrong. By being born in a certain context, especially in the times prior to roughly standardized schooling, you acquire skills you otherwise wouldn't. The child of a farmer is more suited towards farming than the child of a tailor. Obviously so.

Your big mistake is that you view history without the past. You believe that societies of old are the same as today, except they are also wearing funny costumes. But that is not true.
Anonymous No.282986276 [Report] >>282986428
>>282986019
Let's make is simple anon. You think roman slaves and roman nobles were also part of the same "each according to their ability to each according to their need"?
Anonymous No.282986428 [Report] >>282986589
>>282986276
Roman slavery is a very bad example, but fundamentally their society worked and it existed for a long time and only fell apart when the allocation of resources was no longer effective.
There may have been times where the system of resource allocation failed and that led to revolts as we can see throughout history. But this clearly only means that following these principles is important.

You can't admit that some marxist sounding words triggered you so much that you decided the buddhist rock manga (which incidentally does not need to solve the problem of allocating limited resources, because everyobe is immortal) thread is the right place for your spergout.
Anonymous No.282986429 [Report] >>282986491 >>282988027
>He wants to fuck a rock
>A flat rock
Anonymous No.282986436 [Report] >>282986453
>>282984094
>Similarly, there weren't really many rebellions against Rome, neither from the core nor the periphery

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_civil_wars_and_revolts
Anonymous No.282986453 [Report]
>>282986436
might as well name that "list of times resource allocation failed"
Anonymous No.282986491 [Report] >>282998816
>>282986429
Anonymous No.282986589 [Report] >>282986799
>>282986428
>Roman slavery is a very bad example

You think an Indian peasant and British nobles were also part of the same "each according to their ability to each according to their need"?
You think Spartan helots and Spartiates were also part of the same "each according to their ability to each according to their need"?
You think a German peasant in the HRE and a nobles were also part of the same "each according to their ability to each according to their need"?

>You can't admit that some marxist sounding words triggered
I am not that anon, and I don't believe you to be a Marxist because literally the first thing that Marx admit is that that kind of fantastical resource allocation never existed in history. I just believe you to be a kid.
Anonymous No.282986799 [Report] >>282987260
>>282986589
Yes, anon. Even in the colonial system, there were goods and services flowing from the colonies to the imperial core and goods and services were transported from the imperial core to the periphery. In feudalism the peasants provide goods and the nobility provides a service in return. The evidence that this has a stabilizing effect on societies is that societies have existed in the past.
I don't know why this idea is so upsetting you, this specialization is the fundamental way society is organized.

Once again, you are shortcircuiting, you are not thinking about the things you read (or don't read, more likely) and you just imagine the contents of my posts.

>that kind of fantastical resource allocation never existed in history
Except, what I am describing (in different words) is the division of labor which is the foundational idea of society itself.
Anonymous No.282987260 [Report] >>282987581
>>282986799
>Yes, anon. Even in the colonial system, there were goods and services flowing from the colonies to the imperial core and goods and services were transported from the imperial core to the periphery.
Yeah, and this was very little determined with that the two places were able to provide and what they needed. The colonies provided disproportionately compared to their needs because the imperial core had the military power
>In feudalism the peasants provide goods and the nobility provides a service in return.
Again, those goods and services were not allocated according to abilities and needs. Or you think nobles needed their riches while peasants didn't?
>The evidence that this has a stabilizing effect on societies is that societies have existed in the past.
Societies that actually tried to determine the allocation of their resources according to the needs of the population instead of the desires of an extremely small subset of it are much more rare than the opposite.

>I don't know why this idea is so upsetting you, this specialization is the fundamental way society is organized
Because this specialization has literally nothing to do with "each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs".

>Once again, you are shortcircuiting, you are not thinking about the things you read (or don't read, more likely) and you just imagine the contents of my posts.
I am not the one that keep changing idea and twisting his words, and each time I reduce it to a simple question you weasel out by claiming that you are not being understood and refuse to answer.

Why don't you try to give me a society that existed that didn't have different social classes for which the allocation bof resources worked completely differently regardless of abilities and needs?
Anonymous No.282987581 [Report] >>282987806 >>282996978
>>282987260
>Because this specialization has literally nothing to do with "each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs"
But it literally does have everything to do with that.
You're short-circuiting. Carefully read it again.

>Societies that actually tried to determine the allocation of their resources according to the needs of the population instead of the desires of an extremely small subset of it are much more rare than the opposite.
If your needs aren't met you literally die, corpses don't make for a great society

>claiming that you are not being understood and refuse to answer.
I am not claiming that I am not being understood, I am saying that you don't understand. There is an important difference in meaning here.
Anonymous No.282987806 [Report] >>282987922
>>282987581
>Weaseling out of the question again.
You are trying to argue that by needs you only mean in the bare minimum to keep living in order to contribute to society, and even with that you are still wrong because that only worked for peasants. Nobility or in general higher social classes never got their allocation of resources based on their needs.

I am asking again do you think a noble in whatever feudal society you want got their allocation of riches because they needed them?
Anonymous No.282987922 [Report] >>282987993 >>282993067 >>282996978
>>282987806
>a noble in whatever feudal society you want got their allocation of riches because they needed them
Yes, actually. A noble needed their riches to fulfil their function as the regional soverign, so they could provide their services, both to their subjects and the crown.
Anonymous No.282987993 [Report] >>282988104
>>282987922
Anonymous No.282988027 [Report]
>>282986429
They don't call it perfect cleavage for nothing.
Anonymous No.282988104 [Report] >>282988191 >>282988247 >>282989634
>>282987993
So what is the service that a noble in the feudal system provides, at least in theory?
Surely they're not paid well for no reason.
Anonymous No.282988191 [Report]
>>282988104
Provide a bunch of warriors when king asks to assemble the army.
Anonymous No.282988247 [Report] >>282994769
>>282988104
Don't look at me I'm out. I should have realised it like a dozen posts before, but actually having him spell out that he believes that in all of history higher classes needed to have their privileges in order to function was a wake up. That's on the level of "billionaires are rich because they work harder".
Anonymous No.282988344 [Report] >>282988465
>>282979927
>the actual ending is stuck in a weird place of being simultaneously nihilistic with phos killing everyone but also too optimistic with the pebble stuff
So you really dont understand the ending?
Anonymous No.282988465 [Report]
>>282988344
Not him but no
Anonymous No.282989205 [Report]
if there was ever a character that did nothing wrong, that character would be perfectly inhuman.
Anonymous No.282989316 [Report] >>282991117 >>282991636
It's incredible how the ending filters westerners so much
Anonymous No.282989634 [Report]
>>282988104
That anon is conflating, or perhaps just being stupid, a few things. Nobles didn't just have riches for "no" reason, but one could definitely argue about "good" reasons. Namely, wealth accumulation in a feudal society follows certain logical paths, with that logic being very constrained by human materialism.

Nobles accumulated wealth both because their existing wealth allowed it but also because accumulating wealth was necessary for their position to be maintained. Warriors supplied and supported, any other feudal followers they had wanting to hitch their horses to material successful lords (ie. the gifting and giving of riches among your followers so they keep following you). The higher up the lord, the more followers they needed and so the more wealth they needed to portion out which meant the more wealth and power they needed to accumulate it.

Obviously, one begins to see there's little actual reciprocal relationship here for anyone below another warrior or lord. The peasants largely had their resources extracted with the "reciprocity" being "we will fight on the peasants land over there controlled by the other lord." Lower down, there peasants and more local big men had a similar set up regarding farming capital, but this is very far from a "the nobles got the resources they need" in a moral sense. They got the material they "needed" to maintain their position, because if they didn't they stopped being lords. It was the simple logic of "the powerful take what they can, the weak suffer what they must."

Strictly speaking, the lords were a martial class and their status was also dependent upon participation in combat, but you'd be hard pressed to find this "combat" of much use to the peasantry. Obviously things are more complicated and nuanced too, with various moral structures and political relationships being fostered to hold it all together, but we're now a far cry from that original, simple argument about "need."
Anonymous No.282991009 [Report]
Most Buddhist story is either
>Suffer porn
Or
>The twilight between era, where you see the fall of previous (mostly human) civilization, and see the rise of new civilization
Anonymous No.282991057 [Report]
>>282966902
>Yes, but social darwinism is wrong as a theory. It is not effective at predicting behavior. It's not useful to draw conclusions.
What the fuck are you talking about? Nobody is using social darwinism to predict behavior, only that some behavior is incentivized, what you're saying is tantamount to saying statistics are wrong because you can't predict behavior, or evolution itself is wrong because you can't predict the outcome.
Game theory itself is about statistics and follows a similar train of thought, that's why the other anon called you a retard outside of the retarded commie ideology
Anonymous No.282991117 [Report]
>>282989316
christendom was a mistake
Anonymous No.282991636 [Report]
>>282989316
>Brown hands wrote this post
Anonymous No.282991994 [Report] >>282992435
>>282980654
Best post thus far.
Anonymous No.282992435 [Report]
>>282991994
That's a good Phos pic
Anonymous No.282992562 [Report] >>282992698
>>282944362 (OP)
Humanity may be gone, but they'll be back. Animated stardust has a way of popping up over and over again. There is no end to the cycle, just your perception of it. There is no real escape, just dissolution into ignorant components. You'll always be here, even if your matter is spread out and reconstituted into a million million different things. You're here forever.
Anonymous No.282992609 [Report] >>282992787
If you dont understand Wheel of Samsara, than you dont truly understand HnK
Anonymous No.282992698 [Report] >>282993910
>>282992562
According to Nagarjuna, Samsara is Nirvana and Nirvana is Samsara. According to the Lotus Sutra, Nirvana is temporary and is just a fake goal Buddha made up to trick certain people who are drawn to that goal into following him, but the actual final goal is becoming a Buddha. So:
>There is no real escape
True. There is nowhere to escape from, nowhere to escape to, and nothing that actually escapes.
Anonymous No.282992787 [Report]
>>282992609
Fuck buddhism.
Anonymous No.282993067 [Report] >>282994785 >>282995395
>>282987922
Am I reading this correct? This anon is selectively twisting what 'needs' means between basic necessities for life, and fulfilling whatever social role a group has based solely on whether it supports his argument or not?
Anonymous No.282993098 [Report]
Need moon Phos gf
Anonymous No.282993153 [Report] >>282993264 >>282994564 >>282996731
can a gem give a blowjob? would a gem feel pleasure from having their featureless crotch rubbed?
Anonymous No.282993264 [Report]
>>282993153
I'm going to try my best to make my wife come
Anonymous No.282993823 [Report] >>282994358
>>282966302
do you like being a loser your entire life? do you get off on being a victim?
Anonymous No.282993910 [Report]
>>282992698
Is this some kind of cope
>The father is son, and the son is father
Anonymous No.282994077 [Report]
>>282944362 (OP)
i don't think she deserved it but it is what she asked for, and if she was told upfront about exactly what was going to go down i'm pretty sure she would have gone along with it
Anonymous No.282994358 [Report]
>>282993823
Ur projecting
Anonymous No.282994473 [Report]
>>282944362 (OP)
Would you spend 10,000 years suffering if it meant you got to spend over a billion years with cool rock bros?
Anonymous No.282994535 [Report]
I honestly like how the series ended but it always grinds me gears when f/a/ggots excuse it as "muh buddhism" as if that somehow justifies the story choices Ichikawa made. It's just oversimplifying it when the series had so much more going for it.
Anonymous No.282994564 [Report]
>>282993153
>can a gem give a blowjob?
Yes
>would a gem feel pleasure from having their featureless crotch rubbed?
Maybe not feel literal pleasure, but they'll be confused and flustered, wherein their innate humanity might sense it as a lewd act.
Anonymous No.282994596 [Report] >>282994960
>>282979755
It’s always true, not because the person doing wrong might receive a punishment, but because they’re missing out on the benefits of being good. Treating other people better has powerful consequences, without those who treat people badly we’d be living in what might as well be heaven. Those people who act bad are denying themselves access to this world through their own behavior.
Anonymous No.282994670 [Report]
>>282961281
Revenge (for real shit, not petty shit) is pro-social. It destroys the advantages of anti-social behavior and the ever present threat of it discourages anti-social behavior in the first place. Excessive forgiveness is outright harmful.
Anonymous No.282994687 [Report]
>>282955961
I don't remember what the release was but I'm pretty sure I read this series with the PROPER AND CORRECT he/him pronouns.
Anonymous No.282994769 [Report]
>>282988247
Yes, a billionaire needs billions in wealth to be a billionaire. That is a trivially correct statement. You are imagining a discussion about ethics or justice. I have never opined on whether such a thing is good or bad, whether it is the most just society there can be. I am only being descriptive here.
Anonymous No.282994785 [Report]
>>282993067
To perform a role in society you need to not be dead.
Anonymous No.282994960 [Report]
>>282994596
What about all the times when doing a good thing to another person has a negative effect on yourself and viceversa?
Anonymous No.282995288 [Report] >>282995296
By the end I hated every character besides Phos and the rock bros
Anonymuos No.282995296 [Report]
>>282995288
>not letting go of your hate
never gonna escape the wheel
Anonymous No.282995395 [Report] >>282995682 >>282996855
>>282993067
He basically believes that "each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs" is based on social classes in the sense that a slave "abilities" are to work backbreaking labour all his life because he's better at doing that than a nobleman that never lifted a finger all his life, while his "needs" are only to survive in order to continue be a slave while a nobleman abilities are to accumulate riches because a poor farmer would have no idea how to do it, while a nobleman "needs" are to become as rich as possible to keep being a noble.
Anonymous No.282995682 [Report]
>>282995395
That's legitimately one of the most retarded things I've ever heard, there's no way he actually believe that.
Surely he just doubled down and insulted the anon he was arguing with too much to admit he was wrong, surely... right?
Anonymous No.282996491 [Report] >>282996573
Japs are physically unable to make a good ending.
Anonymous No.282996525 [Report]
>>282944944
There's absolutely no way, period, I would have ever even considered helping those scumbags.
Anonymous No.282996573 [Report]
>>282996491
HnK is about as good as it gets, phos got to become genki again, even if she is a tiny itty bitty pebble.
Anonymous No.282996624 [Report] >>282996678
What did we learn, rocksis's?
Anonymous No.282996678 [Report]
>>282996624
>What did we learn, rocksis's?
Why put in the effort to write something well when you can make ez money doing shit for P*kemon, also femoids are incapable of writing HnK was close but Ishikawa had a woman moment at the end.
Anonymous No.282996731 [Report]
>>282993153
Sensei gave them a mouth AND a tongue for some reason, so yes.
>would a gem feel pleasure from having their featureless crotch rubbed?
Gorm got instantly, completely and irrevesibly sissified after getting tongue fucked by Aechmea (it should have been me, not him) for like 3 seconds, what do you think?
Anonymous No.282996855 [Report] >>282996873 >>282996978 >>282997183
>>282995395
No, I do not believe such a thing. I deliberately used language with different connotations, because you seemed like the sort that would sperg out over it.
All I claimed was that for a society to function the available resources must be allocated in a fashion that allows for society to continue existing. This happens by making available to each participant in society the resources to continue performing the roles they perform within society.

I make no assertions whatsoever whether this is a good or a non-good thing. I am being purely descriptive. Meanwhile you are mindlessly caught up in whether this is fair or good or whatever else, when the only question being asked is whether this is effective or not.

Which it is, as societies still exist and they still function on the idea of allocatinf resources in a fashion that leads to people being able to perform the tasks required for society to continue existing.
I don't know why you are sperging so hard over this, this is really just basic economics.
Anonymous No.282996873 [Report] >>282996899
>>282996855
Nice off topic post
Anonymous No.282996899 [Report] >>282997111
>>282996873
This argument has been going on for like a day, anon.
Originally the question was whether Phos should've taken revenge on the moonies for stranding him on earth for 10000 years.
Do try to keep up.
Anonymous No.282996978 [Report] >>282997141
>>282996855
>No, I do not believe such a thing
then why did you claim that in multiple posts?


>He believes a slave "abilities" are to work backbreaking labour all his life because he's better at doing that than a nobleman that never lifted a finger all his life
See >>282986019
>By being born in a certain context, especially in the times prior to roughly standardized schooling, you acquire skills you otherwise wouldn't. The child of a farmer is more suited towards farming than the child of a tailor. Obviously so

while his "needs" are only to survive in order to continue be a slave
See >>282987581
>If your needs aren't met you literally die, corpses don't make for a great society
In response to the question do you believe a slave had his needs met

while a nobleman abilities are to accumulate riches because a poor farmer would have no idea how to do it
See the above about people abilities being determined by their birth

while a nobleman "needs" are to become as rich as possible to keep being a noble.
See >>282987922
>A noble needed their riches to fulfil their function
Anonymous No.282997044 [Report]
>>282956141
Es ist vorbei.
Anonymous No.282997111 [Report]
>>282996899
>Do try to keep up.
hard pass, I don't care about what pol think.
Anonymous No.282997135 [Report]
>>282966902
>>Yes, but social darwinism is wrong as a theory. It is not effective at predicting behavior.
What's your evidence for this?

Evolution is clearly true and the best way to understand the natural world, of which people are clearly part. You sound like those brainlets who think they understand evolution but misunderstand it to means the best trait wins all the time, it doesn't.

>>282966007
Pretty much, everyone here can relate to the fact they have behaved themselves in a way they otherwise wouldn't have because they know the alternative would be some kind of punishment. These things are obviously and demonstrably true.


>>282945244
>cinnabar makes me seethe more than Griffith, i just cant explain why.
Because they're self aware and yet do nothing, Phos doesn't even know he is dedicating himself entirely to Cinnabar before he's lost most of himself in the process. Cinnabar doesn't even repay Phos by suffering.
Anonymous No.282997141 [Report] >>282997219
>>282996978
You are misrepresenting and moralizing. I have repeatedly told you to stop making assertions about the way you believe the world ought to be in an argument about the question what the world is (or in this case was) like.

I genuinely fail to see what you take offense with here.
If someone is taught to do a thing, are they not better at doing that thing than someone who hasn't been taught to do that thing? This is exactly what I say in the first two posts.
The reason there was little social mobility in these times was that it was difficult to acquire new skills and especially the skills of a higher social class. If you don't know math, how can you be a merchant? Where are you going to learn how to do math, if there are no schools? Your parent, obviously. So if your father was a merchant, you will be a merchant.
Why do you take offense with this descriptive statement, sensationalizing it in all sorts of ways? It seems rather obvious.
On the third point, the duties of a noble require capital. If you have no money, you can't raise an army or policing force and you can't purchase food in case of lost harvests.
You can't administrate a fief if you're poor, because administration and infrastructure cost money and you can't receive the king or emissaries if you can't afford feasts.
I have made zero assertions about whether nobles were good at their jobs or just or whatever. But I will say that they were generally "good enough", evidenced by the fact that the feudal system lasted for almost a thousand years.

It seems to me that you are just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing, without really thinking about what I am putting forth. I honestly even wonder if you even read my posts.
Anonymous No.282997183 [Report] >>282997225
>>282996855
>This happens by making available to each participant in society the resources to continue performing the roles they perform within society.
Most people are completely superficial to the continuation of society and insofar as they have a role at all it's not to interfere, this is why so much 'labor' today is fake and gay bureaucratic make-work (mostly for women), it's there just to keep the inessential masses busy as a kind of adult daycare.
I only mention this because what society denotes as your role is not indicative of your actual potential, so many people are relegated to these unproductive roles but some of them could be innovators in a different system, but this system does not need innovation.
Anonymous No.282997219 [Report] >>282997246
>>282997141
So yes, you agree with my previous statement that you believe that "each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs" is based on social classes and what those social classes need in order for the status quo to continue.

So a slave abilities are to work as a slave
A slave needs are just to survive to keep being a slave
A noble abilities are to accumulate riches and exert military power
A noble needs were to accumulate riches to keep being a noble
Anonymous No.282997225 [Report] >>282997308
>>282997183
A well-organized bureaucracy is the beating heart of a functioning society.
Anonymous No.282997239 [Report]
>>282944362 (OP)
WHERE ARE THE EXTRA BOOKS!? YEN PRESS DO SOMETHING!!!!!
Anonymous No.282997246 [Report] >>282997278
>>282997219
You are not making any argument.
Anonymous No.282997250 [Report] >>282997258 >>282997290
>>282984094
Yeah, but apart from the opportunity for social mobility, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Anonymous No.282997258 [Report]
>>282997250
They built the roads.
Anonymous No.282997276 [Report]
>she
Anonymous No.282997278 [Report]
>>282997246
I am not, I am just putting down what your beliefs appear to be from your posts.
Anonymous No.282997286 [Report] >>282999258
>>282972954
>horrible ending
It was perfect
Anonymous No.282997290 [Report]
>>282997250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ
Anonymous No.282997308 [Report] >>282997336 >>282997337 >>282997412
>>282997225
So? Most societies aren't well functioning and most bureaucracies are bloated corpses, the heart can go on beating for a long time despite this.
Anonymous No.282997336 [Report] >>282997399 >>282997412
>>282997308
>Most societies aren't well functioning
All societies can provide food, clean water and shelter to a majority of their people. Because if they could not, they would not exist anymore.
Your threshold may be a little higher, but this is the bare minimum.

Also, regarding your image, you realize that shifting projects into the private sector just means outsourcing the bureaucracy, right? There isn't actually less bureaucracy, because organization is key.
Anonymous No.282997337 [Report]
>>282997308
This is basically a 1:1 depiction of both the former USSR and the British Empire, it's pretty crazy to think back in the day all of India was managed by less than 2,000 British men and ran far better than it has before or since.

As Toynbee once said, "civilizations die from suicide, not by murder".
Anonymous No.282997369 [Report]
>>282944362 (OP)
WHERE ARE THE EXTRA BOOKS!!!??? THIS MAKES ME SOOO ANGRY
Anonymous No.282997399 [Report] >>282997412 >>282997428
>>282997336
>Also, regarding your image, you realize that shifting projects into the private sector just means outsourcing the bureaucracy, right? T
Only when said sector is only private in name. The US government gets charged for 500$ a trashcan by these contractors for example, this is obviously just an externa rebranding of government fraud, that is to say it's not really private sector except in name. Any non publicly traded corporation proves you utterly wrong.

As for the rest of your post, technology being what it is today this is such a comically low bar I don't know how to respond to it, it's basically impossible not to be able to provide these things so...yeah. When your standard is such there's no existing counter examples because it's so meaningless it isn't a useful standard.
Anonymous No.282997412 [Report]
>>282997308
>>282997336
>>282997399
You people need to understand all of this is pointless, is like 1900 discussions in 2025. Way pass their prime
Anonymous No.282997428 [Report] >>282997557
>>282997399
Keep in mind that this is the same anon that argued that a slave needs are met because otherwise he would die, while at the same times claiming that in order for a nobleman needs to be meet he should be rich
Anonymous No.282997557 [Report] >>282997583
>>282997428
Keep in mind that just because you disagree with abstraction along social function doesn't mean it doesn't work.
Anonymous No.282997583 [Report] >>282997613
>>282997557
Then you'll have no problems with me pointing out your beliefs in my posts
Anonymous No.282997613 [Report] >>282997646
>>282997583
Why do you insist on calling it a "belief"? It is simply a model, like many others.
I also don't really see why you believe it is a gotcha in any shape or form. All you did was imply that it is stupid, but you are unable to explain why it is.
Anonymous No.282997646 [Report] >>282997657
>>282997613
If it's not a gotcha and aren't stupid "models" then why you should care?
Anonymous No.282997657 [Report] >>282997668
>>282997646
Why won't you make a counterargument?
Anonymous No.282997668 [Report] >>282997686 >>282997781
>>282997657
Why would I?
Anonymous No.282997686 [Report] >>282997767 >>282997781
>>282997668
Why wouldn't you, isn't the whole point of arguing on the internet to have fun?
I guess losing isn't that fun.
Anonymous No.282997748 [Report] >>282998114
>>282966937
Lapis hair-job
Anonymous No.282997767 [Report]
>>282997686
Sure. You won anon. Congratulations
Anonymous No.282997781 [Report]
>>282997668
>>282997686
you two are equally retarded.
Anonymous No.282998114 [Report]
>>282997748
Anonymous No.282998816 [Report]
>>282986491
>ywn be padpa's daddy
Anonymous No.282999258 [Report]
>>282997286
Kill yourself.
Anonymous No.282999279 [Report]
>>282944362 (OP)
Yes. All of this, LITERALLY ALL OF THIS could have been averted if Phos just made the fucking encyclopedia and not given into the human impulse of "more at all cost"
Anonymous No.282999329 [Report] >>282999344 >>282999366
What I hated most about this whole shitshow is that not one of the supposed friends of Phos, cared nor had any thoughts about Phos suffering being alone for a thousand years. They just Phos be, no explanation, nothing and they all come back after Phos ascends to wish for their peace while damning Phos to eternal damnation by being alive for all eternity? All of them are selfish pricks, Phos should have condemned them all to eternal suffering.
Anonymous No.282999344 [Report] >>282999365
>>282999329
>cared nor had any thoughts about Phos suffering being alone for a thousand years.
Did you forget that time basically meant nothing to them already? Hell Phos already had himself shoved in a box for 250 years at that point IIRC
Anonymous No.282999365 [Report]
>>282999344
>Did you forget that time basically meant nothing to them already?

Does it matter? Does it really matter that time didn't matter to them? Not one of these obnoxious dickheads ever bothered to check on Phos, would it kill them to do a visit every hundred years?
Anonymous No.282999366 [Report]
>>282999329
>All of them are selfish pricks
Anon, that's the poi-
>Phos should have condemned them all to eternal suffering.
Nevermind