Thread 283186770

When is the last time we saw a 3 shade shadow anime? This is something I can't remember being used recently at all... It was a staple during the 80s/90s but even really expensive properties these days like Gintama, Kimetsu no Yaiba, Attack on Titan only used 2 shades.

Even the big silly cat gets shading on it's eyes.

Retard

Sort of reminds me of Gundam Seed in a way.

But I'm guessing they're going for something like Record of Loddos War

>>283186770 (OP)
Not even Sunrise could salvage this garbage

>>283186770 (OP)
We can expect more thanks to AI. You can already make stuff almost aa good as this, and with still images you can't even tell.

>>283186770 (OP)
Gintama was an expensive property?

>>283186770 (OP)
Bleach

>>283186981
Yes, fujos absolutely lap it up it's making gigantic money.
I guess people on /a/ that never interact with Japan don't really experience whats popular on the ground. I guess there is also a strong male bias here so nobody actually goes to places like Ikebukuro.

https://collabo-cafe.com/page/5/?s=Gintama

Just check here. There has been something Gintama themed every month for the least 10 years.
I've seen plenty of Gintama itabags around, not as often as more popular stuff but it has a dedicated long time fanbase.

>>283187002
God damn you just made me realize the Bleach anime is over 20 years old. Holy shit.

>>283186977
Namaste

>>283186770 (OP)
Just a question: how many anime do you watch per season? It's not as rare as you think.

>>283187189
Not a lot but I can't remember it being this... hmm on the nose. Can you name a few examples. Most of the things I remember turned out to be actually 2 shade.

Last season I can't remember a single one.

Basically "No Shade":

Dan Dan Dan
Hoseki no Ruri
Yofukashi no Uta
Seishun
Mizu Hamoutsukai
Tate Yusha S4
City
Mynoghra
Nana Ouji
Ame to Kimi to
Futari Solocamp
Food Cort
Butamen
Dekin no Mogura
Puniru
MuuMuu
Takopii no Genzai
Sakamoto
Koujo Denka no Kateikyoushi
Yuusha Party S Rank Hirowareru
Bad Girl
Kizetsu Yuusha to Ansatsu Hime
Kijin Gentoushou

2 Shade:
Kijin Gentoushou
Moonrise
Leviathan
Bullet

Zero 3 Shades.

>>283187189
I look into everything and it is rare.

>>283186770 (OP)
this anime is so fucking trash, op. i dropped it after the ep 2, because it was straight up mediocre garbage. even that unlikeable elf couldn't save this trash desu

>>283187313
people are evolved and enlightened enough to realize that kagenashi is simply better for animation. there will always be stragglers and hylics who say that the drawings look unfinished without shading, but nobody really cares about them.

>>283187372
Congratulations on your reduced watch list anon and thanks for letting us know.
I know it's unconsivable here on /a/ to talk about things that aren't waifus and powerleve jerkoff plot but this isn't a general thread.
I am very specifically talking about the shading style of the anime totally irrespective of the actual anime, it's plot or any characters. Just the shading and the artstyle.The almost forgotten 3 shade style.

>>283187394
I does produce easier animation and more moeblobable characters yes.

>>283186770 (OP)
3 shades was an OVA thing. TV anime usually didn't get it. Like most "Why doesn't anime look like THIS anymore" the answer is always the same: the death of the OVA.

>>283187406
yeah, the shading style is kind of unique because the director also worked in fma and many old shows. still, i just couldn't like this show SINCE there are many other good shows airing this season

I like how nobody could tell OP when the last time we saw a 3 shade anime

I was about to tell him not so long ago in Gundam SEED: Freedom but then I actually went to get a picture and realized it's 2 Shaded. All of it even the old ones. It's was just heavily 2 shaded.

Violet Evergarden. Also, both God Eater in 2015 and Oushitsu Kyoushi Heine in 2017 were 4(!)-tone. You'll occasionally see it for specific shots in other anime like picrel and iirc Wistoria, but it's pretty expensive to do and in any non-KyoAni scenario it tanks animation quality.

>>283187430
They didn't totally die out shit like Pluto and Cyberpunk are made it's just that we get less then 1 of these a year.

>>283187570
Are those really the same thing as an OVA in terms of the financial model, because it's the financial model that allowed them to throw them out there, put a lot of money into the art detail, and make as weird a concepts as possible? Everyone was making OVAs. Random ass corporations were making anime OVAs because you don't need many eps, and you just put more into those eps, hence all the "why doesn't anime look like this anymore?" I don't know if you can have an original video animation with a non physical media world. I just checked and they are calling those ONAs, original net animations. Functionally the same thing... maybe? Like you said, there aren't many of them. Perhaps purely because it's not the boom years anymore... but then again, that can't be it either, because more anime is made now than ever before. Hmm. Fuck it. I don't know what I'm talking about.

>>283186770 (OP)
I can't get over how gorgeous this show looks.

>>283187786
I'd argue it's way more complicated.

It's the boom years alright but not as you imagine them.

Back in the day anime had no financing at all, so they made OVAs. Today anime has all the financing this is why people are making 12 episode shows of EVERYTHING. Anime has x10 the money it had when OVAs where made. So there no need to make OVAs since you can just adapt one of the countless manga and LN into a full sized anime because all the manga and ln publishers already own the rights. It wasn't as integrated back then.

Let's take a look at FLCL that came out in Spring 2000.

Spring 2000 Season was :

Love Hina
Yugioh
Ayashi no Ceres
Gensoumaden Saiyuuki
NieA Under 7
Seikai no Senki
Sakura Taisen
Daa! Daa! Daa!
Boys Be...
Gate Keepers
Monster Farm: Legend e no Michi (Monster Rancher)
Transformers: Car Robots (Transformers: Robots in Disguise)
Hidamari no Ki
DokidokiDensetsu: Mahoujin Guruguru
Ginsoukikou Ordian
Fabre-sensei wa Meitantei
Time Bokan 2000: Kaitou Kiramekiman

So 17 brand new shows.

There was also some heavy hitters ongoing

One Piece
Great Teacher Onizuka
Hunter x Hunter
Meitantei Conan
The Big O
Crayon Shin-chan
Ojamajo Doremi Sharp
Kindaichi Shounen no Jikenbo
Zoids
Kochi Kame
Corrector Yui
Mushrambo
Sazae
Chibi Maruko
Shuukan Storyland

So 17 New + 15 Ongoing = 32 in Spring 2000

10 OVAs, 6 Movies.

In contract Spring 2025 had

49 brand new TV shows
13 Ongoing shows
6 ONAs of varying lenght some being full 24 episodes other 6 like Takopii
A few 1 episode animes like Shinsei Galverse, Lupin the IIIrd: Zenigata to Futari no Lupin,
20 Anime Movies out of that 7 feature lenght and 4 recap movies
About 20+ various 1~5 minutes specials from Lycoris to Maomao

If you don't think it's the boom years I don't know what it is. There has never been more anime made in he history of anime on a seasonal basis. Not in terms of movies, not in therms of TV shows not in terms of "OVA" if they're the same as "ONA"

>>283187489
This is Alya-san, not Violent Eversharted

>>283188010
But this doesn't answer why OVAs often used three tone shading, whereas modern anime barely ever does. I thought it was that more money was put into the OVAs. Is it that there's more money in anime overall and more anime than ever, but it's more thinned out, so each individual OVA production could afford more elaborate shading?

This kind of shading was never, at any point in history, as common as you think it was
Time and scheduling is at least as important as budget when it comes to anime production, and 80s OVAs did not have the same limitations in those respects as modern TV anime
Please lurk more and watch more anime before making sweeping oldgoodnewbad statements

>>283188067
Read the post again, retard.

>>283187489
Alya in your picture is a lightly 2 shaded anime with extremely complex round eyes a style used in many waifu anime before like Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko. And yes Violet Evergarden.Wistoria also falls int this category.

Violet Evergarden being a lightly 2 shaded show with complex eyes exactly like Denpa Onna, Wistoria and Alya san

Godeater is actually was 4 shaded in some scenes so I'll give you that.
Oushitsu Kyoushi Heine I haven't seen but from youtube it seems that you're right.

The average person doesn't notice or care. Therefore, it's an unnecessary expense.

>>283186770 (OP)
The lighting in CSM was kino.

>>283188267
This is why we can't have nice things.

>>283188269
It's alright, but not jaw-dropping like in OP show

>>283186770 (OP)
What is a 3 shade shadow anime? What's the difference between it and 2 shades?

>>283188359
Kino!

>>283187394
>people are evolved and enlightened enough to realize that kagenashi is simply better for animation
Yes, for Disney cartoons.

>>283187478
That's 3 shaded, retard. Look around the eyes and under the lip.

>>283188431
I mean, you can't even see the shading here, it's almost all dark

>>283188454
Thats quite literally the only place they ever use it. Unlike OPs show there it's used everywhere

>>283188454
You are imagining things.

>>283188421
>>283186777

3 Shaded anime is anime that tries to immigrate global illumination by separating colors into 3 parts that are supposed to provide depth information.

For example in OPs picture

The skin color and clothes directly in the sunlight are drawn one color
The part that obstruct the said sunlight are drawn in a dark shaded color
And finally parts that stick out and cast a shadow like his nose and mouth and eye sockets ears are drawn another even darker color.

If video game terms 3 shading in anime is basically RTX. It also functions like that too in the fact that it requires extremely skilled animators able to imagine global illumination and drawing it. So it ups the budget and time to produce a single scene.

This style used to be popular with OVAs and some anime back in the 80s/90s a lot of people remember this fondly because most of the best anime had it but it wasn't a universal thing.

TL;DR it adds additional 3d depth to images.

>>283186770 (OP)
3 shade
so triangle shade
I give you Dahlia in Bloom

>>283188579
OP picture has 4 shades.
- basic skin
- shade
- deep shade
- highlight
If you don't count basic skin, that gives you 3 shades.

>3 shade shadow
>it's just 2
Tard thread

>>283188579
>>283188421

Heres a simple example using another elf.

If Friren was 3 shaded her right ear inner lobe would be a darker color to indicate the depth of her ear canal.

>>283186788
you sure are

Kek, I remember people calling it slop and threatening to drop it
Tell you all you need to know about ny /a/

Thread is full of great examples on different levels of shading. It's a shame we don't see three shade shadows anymore due to cost concerns.

>>283186770 (OP)
I just realised why I dislike digital anime so much. The fucking lack of shading. This style suddenly made me transport back to 80/90s anime.

>>283188747
For the tik tok generation, quality means sakuga. If you can actually tell what is going on on the screen, it's slop and a "slideshow".

>>283188809
This isn't a modern thing anon. They stooped doing proper shading in 2000.

Shit like Fruit Basket already had none, Read or Die very little. It's more that you only watched big budget or popular shows.

Hanaukyou Maid-tai
Galaxy Angel
Sister Princess
Jungle wa Itsumo Hare nochi Guu
Magical Nyan Nyan Taruto
Vandread

About 50~60% moved to very light 2 shade by then.

>>283186770 (OP)
Is this show yaoi? I could not shake the feeling that the characters were really gay while watching it.

>>283188840
Judging from the trailer, that shit is still coming up later, like it or not.

>>283188924
Thats probably because you've been conditioned to associate this art style with fujoshi content.
Males are very easy to please with big tits and butts and curvy or cute figures.
Females on the other hand like to ogle the muscles, lips and like manly features.
So usually fujo shows have heavy shading to show off the muscles and lips eyes of the characters to give additional impact to emotions.

My status as a kot clearly exceeds the elf.

>>283188997
I say this completely unironically, I am honestly too art-illiterate to have noticed any of that.

>>283188924
MC has already claimed a 10/10 elf

it has nothing to do with "3" shading tho
it's just how they show form with shadow
your perception of the same color affected by surrounded colors
you can download something like KK and play with cell shader and shadow softness/hardness sliders to see the same effects
even if some frames have another dark cast shadow the main effect comes from planes and saturated colors+some filter

>>283186777
Try to guess the gender of the top left character.

I think 2 shade looks the best. 3 seems weird due to character not meshing properly with the background and 1 feels flat.

>>283188840
There are people like this in this very thread.

>>283189075
Very few male centric anime go heavy into mega muscle shading. It was really popular in the 70s/80s with the maccho era where Japan saw American Action Heroes like Schwarzeneger and Van Dam and said we'll make that.

Today the only show that goes crazy with it is Baki and a few others.

>>283186770 (OP)
great retro-esque art wasted on generic isekai garbage

>>283189127
It's very different when the author determines what the proper shading is and when some algorithm does it.

>>283189228
Oh, now that you mention it, did Hokuto no Ken have a similar shading to what you were talking about? I think I recall it sort of being shaded like you're describing. I think.

>>283189228
Van Damme was scrawny

>>283189299
>Hokuto no Ken
This one another style. It's a mix of everything. It does use 3 shades but not as much as you'd expect, it primarily relies on counter lines to show 3D

>>283189503
I've been to a few exhibits over the years here in Japan and the man knew how to draw shades like very few others.

The animate attempted to emulate the manga as much as it could but the manga even today holds up so fucking amazingly well it's ridicilous.

>>283189557
天をみよ!!

He really was the peak of accurate human physiology.

>>283189576
I think the biggest compliment to his work is that you can carve his characters into 3D and they look flat out amazing and exactly like in 2D.

>>283189576
>accurate
It's okay if you enjoy this style, but this is Liefeld tier grotesquery

>>283189729
He was incredibly accurate. This was Arnold in 1971

>>283189729
>>283189815
I will however admit that 1973 Arnold is some fucking Baki tier fuckery and I imagine exactly what inspierd Baki and so many other things back in the 80s from Street Fighter to Tekken.

>>283186770 (OP)
this show is shit but it looks fantastic so im watching.

>>283189815
A dude who lives in a desert will never look like this. A dude who spends 12 hours in a gym and eats 12 times a day will look like this.

>>283189855
He absolutely wont' however if he takes steroids he will. There countless experiments out there that have proven that you indeed can't get anywhere close to this shit naturally.

Muscles after a while adapt and go for density and you simply don't get bulk like this in real life with normal hormones.

>>283189913
My coach looks like this and he swears he doesn't take steroids

>>283189503
>it primarily relies on counter lines to show 3D
What are counter lines and how do they show 3 dimensions?

That was some of the most forced solutions that I've ever seen and I've seen plenty of trashy isekais.
What the fuck was that? It didn't fit with how the tone of the anime was for the first two episodes.

>>283188777
Its less about cost and more like tech constraints.
Multiple shadows aren't used anymore because it looks weird on LCD displays where black levels aren't 100% black, but it does look good on CRT where you can play around more with shading due to black level nearing 100%

>>283190348
Wrinkles

>>283190387
Wtf are you talking about?

>>283190348
Sorry my terminology isn't correct since I'm not a native English speaker.

I mean these kinds of evenly space of lines that create the effect of a deep black shadow or a silhouette outline for muscles.

Depending on spacing and lenght they can be use in a crazy number of ways.

>>283190655
Hatching? How do you even get from hatching to "counter lines"?

>>283186959
Pretty sure it's made by the same Sunrise studio that animated Seed.

>>283186770 (OP)
Did the bitch show her feet already?

>>283190655
Another giga autism author Kaoru Mori is also a master of these too. Probably the best one right now? I cant think of anyone that goes more autism then her with these.

>>283190720
Translate from my native language. Šrafiranje crticama.

>>283187157
Anon, I thought you meant expensive in terms of the money poured into the animation which surprised me as it seems untrue. I do know it is a money maker.

>>283189964
And Rock also swore he never did Steroids and always ate like 10 raw eggs a day and some other shit being the most fake shit imaginable.

Batista is in the same basket. As soon as they could go off steroids because of their movie carriers they did.

>>283190961
When it comes to shows I'd say it's pretty well financed. It's fore sure above the average anime budget

>>283190842
>"hatching with dashes"
I've no clue where the "counter lines" came from, perhaps you're just retarded

My creed as an assassin clearly exceeds the Templar’s

>>283186770 (OP)
AOTY

>>283187313
>Kijin Gentoushou
Both no shade and 2 shade?

>>283190842
she's like, doing by hand what most adaptation mangaka do with 3dbg

>>283188267
I think it's very easy to notice. This show immediately looks a lot better than most of the stuff airing alongside it as well as most of the stuff in the previous seasons. Even if you don't know why exactly or what to call it, the difference is hard to miss.

>>283193943
Art illiterate here, I don't notice things like that. And I don't think it looks "better." Different, certainly.

>>283194026
I'm also art illiterate and know nothing about drawing, but I fail to see how it's possible to miss how much more detailed this show looks compared to others, or how much better and less flat the lighting looks compared to typical anime that airs nowadays. Some of the regular, animated scenes in this show could pass for static illustrations almost, they're clearly doing a far better job at making this than you see in most other anime.

How do elitists and normalfags cope that an isekai looks this good? any suicides yet.

>>283194412

>>283186976
>>283187372
>>283189249

>>283194026
People like you are the reason modern architecture exists.

I have a conspiracy theory that one of the bosses at SEGA (or his kid) is a huge fan of this manga for some reason, so it was given a bizarrely disproportionate budget.

>>283186770 (OP)
Iseleve looked like this, and was much better looking and better overall.

>>283186977
SAAAR

>>283190387
Anime been total trash since episode 2, but the biggest problem is that the girls aren't as hot as the pretty dude we lost...

>>283186959
the elf is deetlit coded, so that tracks

>>283186770 (OP)
God Eater?
>God Eater was 10 years ago
Where has the time gone...?

>>283196011
If you were smart to Japan.

>>283196011
I just don't get the guy cumming all over this show, even if you were to agree it looks good is just nothing outstanding. It seems people also forgot about Zenshuu...

>>283196216
I remember Zenshu. How it it relevant? It has a basic bitch artstyle and is basically inferior to the assassin anime on every level.

>>283186770 (OP)
It might be another shitty isekai, but at least it's aesthetic slop.

>>283186770 (OP)
When I checked the title and saw first two minutes of the first episode I thought it will be more about assassins and assassinations and darker, but it has barely anything to do with it, MC is so far an OP generic isekai MC. Yeah, he has one assassin skill "conceal presence" and that makes him an assassin? That's enough to put "assassin" in the title? The animation is outstanding, but the story and characters could be better

>>283196216
Other than the ambitious shading and Alisa being smoking hot, it had two particularly good episodes that saved the writing side from being totally forgettable. So overall, far from my worst dickwatch.

>>283186770 (OP)
Pure black shading > all.

>>283194412
They still haven't coped with Mushoku Tensei.

>>283196769
The only Alisa I need is Alisa Kujou.

>>283196216
>Zenshuu
This show got mogged by the in-universe film. Would much rather have watched that in stead of pretentious mangaka self suck
But the art was good, lotta soul in places

Welcome to Japan Elf-san had a 90s-esque style

>>283188097
>Is it that there's more money in anime overall and more anime than ever, but it's more thinned out, so each individual OVA production could afford more elaborate shading?
NTA but I think that was what he was implying.

>>283186770 (OP)
thought something was wrong with my eyes
nice
and it doesn't have any trannies, like that other fucking Isekai

>>283195112
Even I can tell how abhorrent modern architecture is.

>>283197608
the other one isnt actually GB
filtered

>>283188097
OVA's weren't plagued by crunch and unreasonable deadlines while their creators were given far more creative control. This has happened to every artform. The 70s were the golden age of cinema, the bankers noticed, invested a lot of money in exchange for mass production and creative control, now we have slop. Belle Époque was the golden age of painting, the bankers noticed, invested a lot of money in exchange for mass production, now we have bananas taped to walls. The 80s were the golden age of design, the bankers noticed, now we have corporate memphis. Every art form goes through the exact same process of being appropriated, streamlined and dumbed down by investors. If you don't like it, get rid of capitalism.

>>283197815
good thing AI freed us from the corporate shackles

>>283197815
>Get rid of capitalism
>Not get rid of the bankers
How can you possibly be this obtuse?

>>283197917
Banking = capitalism.

>>283198011
I didn't say banking, I said the bankers. Again, obtuse.

>>283191003
Eh, the final Gintama seasons were full of still shots. The art looked good, but no way it felt high budget.

>>283198156
The bankers have been around for thousands of years, but capitalism for only a few hundred. You are actually retarded.

>>283198202
Let me guess, you're been duped by your fucked up education system to believe that Sumerian granaries were actually banks. But no. Banking as it is currently understood was born at the exact same time and as a part of the same transitional process in the 17th century.

>>283198202
Let me guess, you've been duped by your fucked up education system to believe that Sumerian granaries were actually banks. But no. Banking as it is currently understood was born at the exact same time and as a part of the same transitional process as capitalism in the 17th century.

>>283189855
>A dude who spends 12 hours in a gym and eats 12 times a day will look like this.
No. It strictly requires chicken cypionate, rice ace and broccoli enanthate

>>283197815
>The 70s were the golden age of cinema
According to fucking who

>>283186770 (OP)
>>283186777
>>283186812
>>283186959
Why is it always random isekaishit that gets quality like this?

>>283198737
Isekai rarely looks this good, low budget stuff like midnogra or water magician is the norm.

>>283198913
Those were low budget? The fuck?

>>283198980
Mynoghra was definitely microscopic budget, Water Magician was ambitious, but ran out of money.

>>283199065
I thought both looked fine. Good even. Perhaps my idea of low budget is outdated or something.

>>283198737
Rezero
Mushoku Tensei
Eminence in Shadow
And now this

>>283199116
man rezero is fucking garbage

>>283199108
Fine is something like >>283196314 or >>283197508
Mynoghra and the later episodes of Water Magician suffered from limited animation and low detail.

>>283197444
Who's sucking off who? The mangaka is 100% fictional. Zenshu is not based on any manga, it is as original as original gets.

>>283189815
The gigantic lats and the way his arm looks so short is quite unappealing

>>283199116
Eminence in reddit is fucking trash

>>283199553
It's okay to have shit taste, anon. Your opinion is perfectly valid all the same. Stay mad little buddy.

>>283199164
But it looks like a million bucks

>>283186959
I could only think of SEED when they set up that the protagonist's struggle was not killing people. Hopefully this also ends with him going home and fucking the elf on a beach immediately.

>>283199116
All you need is an elf as the main love interest.

>>283197846
is that reimu or mizuhara? AI seems like it couldn't make up its mind.

>>283200299
Good luck hiding the elf from Jap glowies.

>>283200527
I mean, most fantasy anime has that.

>>283199445
>The mangaka is 100% fictional
That's irrelevant it's still a self suck for creatives

Elf girl.