Thread 283214274

A girl named Nona lives in plain sight among humans, hiding her true identity as a mage as she spends her days in peace with her best friend Lovi. But one day, Nona uses magic to fix Lovi's glasses and subsequently catches the attention of the Bureau of Magic Surveillance. A simple good deed becomes the trigger that sets Nona's destiny in motion...

https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1027102

I thought this was that oneshot where the knight hero is actually bad and her mother was right all along.

>>283214336
>>283214353
>>283214372
OI MATE! YOU GOT LOICENSE TO USE MAGIC? NO? UP TO THE PRISON YOU GO!

1984

Hope the MC turns into a mage terrorist.

>>283214698
Bruh, whoever snitched is a jobless bum who had too much free time on their hands

>>283214845
They assumed

Nona's power should be terrifying if used well, imagine stitching people together

>>283214905
WHAT THE FUCK?

>>283214936
>LEVI DEAD
KWAB

>>283214936
The friend was FUCKING retarded. She knows how nervous nona is about using her magic and she pulls this shit

This will be a hell of a first episode of the anime

We want the Witch Hat Atelier audience

i read this a while back, is it a reboot or something?

>>283215123
>posts image doing dump
kys

>>283215144
sorry

Anyone else not impressed? For how much anons were hyping it up I feel like it failed to deliver.

>>283215172
Why didn’t the mom use her powerful magic to kill them here and save her husband?

I like it so far.

I'm already just meh on this.
I wonder when we will meet her male love interest.

So no male witch?

They are going all out with grimderp.

The End

>>283215212
it's much better than anything saito has published recently but it's also fairly generic. might give it a few more chapters and see if this just becomes frieren 2 or not

>>283215377
Very good first chapter.

>>283214319
Sorry, I missed that the 4th page became black and white.

It has potential since it could go the Code Geass route, but it can also end up being extremely retarded with everything boiling down to le good mages vs le bad mages

>>283214274 (OP)
>>283215377
What did you guys think of it?

>"Witch" manga
>No big witch hats
What's the point?

>>283215123
>reboot
looks like a magazine cover?
you know that a lot of manga appears in weekly or monthly magazines first, right?

>>283215447
I hope she becomes a rebel terrorist

>>283215390
>>283215212
Yeah the one-shot had better set up. I get that that might not appeal to the SJ crowd though.

>>283215377
>Yuri bait at the end of chapter
Imagine if the author is pulling a Nona x Garte >>283215307 ship with the whole enemy-turns-into-lover romance instead. That'd be so fucking funny.

>>283215447
To be honest by getting rid of the mom so quickly there are only a few routes this can now take.

>>283215447
Same as >>283215503
I just wish it doesn't end up with something retarded like evil mages offering the good mages to join and rule over the muggles but le good mages said no so now we're persecuting them.

>>283215447
the chapter is solid enough that i will check the next few chapters but i'm not into the premise that much so far.
and i think the protagonist takes way too many cues from frieren design wise

>>283215539
I mean how else are you going to explain how muggles can acquire magic?

>>283215558
She is more expressive that freren

>>283215558
My problem with it is that it's doing the same superior species gets persecuted. There is something very wrong when one of the best stories about this is fucking Gunvolt(where the superior species wins out one way or another).

>>283214587
It is they just massively changed it from that
https://mangadex.org/chapter/c3a021d3-59fc-40ef-8c3b-10d881dd7e15/

>>283215447
Need to add vampires and werewolves.

Let me know once we have an answer to the ancient question, is this yuri?

>>283215757
The ending hints at it but nobody knows yet, too soon

>>283215585
i mean design wise, with the "mage with grey twintails in a medieval fantasy world"

>>283215631
yeah, those stories get pretty samey and boring and especially in weekly serializations they become "how are they oppressed if they can do that?"

>>283215757
none of the major characters are men so far

>>283215757
I hope not.

>>283215631
Nips don't understand racism at all. They think people would be racist against cute girls with cat ears the same as Mamadou harassing little girls

I feel like I've read manga with the exact same premise, mage persecution and all that.

>>283215538

They didn't show up her corpse so she could end up as a mindbroken nugget.

>>283215570
It's more about there being a powercreep where muggles just stop existing and it turns into mage vs mage.

>>283215811
There are plenty of manga with this same premise, yet I cannot recall any of them

>>283215811
Marley arc in SnK

>>283215867
Because it's just Scry-ed/X-men done worse.

>>283215811
I'm sure there are thousands of stories about witches being persecuted.

How many chapters will it take for her to start going against the government? If she ever does. I mean, her mother and friend got killed for some bullshit reason, she HAS to be mad, right?

>>283215917
imagine it takes the elfen lied route and goes "actually genocide was plenty justified"

I liked the oneshot, but I liked this even more.

>>283215757
>female friend
>mysterious girl at the end

Looks like yes.

>>283215307
I bet you this guy is a love interest down the road

>>283215939
Anyone read any previous works by this author? There's two ways this can go
1. FemMC Code Geass.
2. Retarded moralistic crap with fight faggotry in the middle to keep readers entertained.

>>283215757
>>283215867
I hate this feeling, when you call something cliched and somebody asks you for examples and you know they exist but you draw a total blank on them as you try

>>283215998
Didn't mean to quote that first post there

>>283215674
I'm glad we didn't get a completely stoic, calm and collected MC in a nightmare scenario, but at the same time, damn it would've made a lot of sense for mages to be oppressed if they can only use magic when they're perfectly calm. Although that would lead into questions over why they're considered dangerous at all since all you'd have to do is rile them up or spook them and bam, they're useless.

>>283215251
>confined space risks collateral damage
>younger and weaker
>pregnant and weaker
>hadn't yet worked up the nerve to kill
Any number of reasons.

>>283215631
I’ve always been a fan of how ajin did it
>Government is hunting immortals to use them as lab rats
>The moment one of said immortals actually knows how to fight, the government gets completely fucking outclassed

>>283215998
It happens because most often than not, they're not worth remembering.

>>283215757
It certainly won't be after i'm finished with her, maybe a go at the corpse of glasses girl too

>>283215793
>i mean design wise, with the "mage with grey twintails in a medieval fantasy world"
with stormtroopers
I'm cringing enough about Frieren being stuck in stormtrooper uniform guards Namek, but this is just too much
too much forced plotimation

>>283216034
You can learn to be calm to snipe, they have guns in that one shot but they probably aren't all that accurate at long ranges

>>283215998
Scyr-ed and X-men. Also Tokyo Ghoul. Gunvolt also deals with it as well but it's a video game.
Technically Frieren is also going through an arc that has the villains wanting to do this but at least there a warrior can train themselves to have super toughness and super speed.

>>283214274 (OP)
If anyone wants to check out the oneshot
https://mangadex.org/chapter/c3a021d3-59fc-40ef-8c3b-10d881dd7e15

>>283216088
>>283216034
There's also the fact Sniping takes more prep work than most anons think it does.

>>283216168
Can you stop spamming your shit in every fucking manga fujo?

>>283216130
the Bambi story just got serious

>>283215998
Okay, I'm gonna try to remember other series with they whole "powerful minority persecution" things: Ajin, Tokyo Ghoul, Cross Ange, Elfen Lied... I'm sure there's more

>>283216168
>

>>283216047
Ajin is a funny case because the OG writer planned to do another “we can coexist” story, but the second writer scrapped that theme to tell a story about fighting Call Of Duty fanboys who became terrorists for shits and giggles
Second writer probably had the better idea

>/a/ hates Brazil
What the fuck happened?

>>283216281
Kuros should be hated

Kill humans! Slaughter humans! Genocide humans!

Chances this turns into a
>IF YOU KILL THEM YOU'RE AS BAD AS THEM!
?

>>283214274 (OP)
Is this what the witcher iv looks like?

>>283216396
She's far too pretty for that

>>283214730
What else do you want? Mass magical deaths in the town's schools? Magic is outlawed because only outlaws use it.

>>283214274 (OP)
I would like to see a blend of Western and Eastern fashion aesthetics, similar to Touhou.

>>283215447
Not enough oni, tengu, werewolves and vampires.

>>283215447
It's overall good.
I'm just extremely autistic about some of the tropes the setting uses. 9 times out of 10, a setting with genetic-based magic should result in some caste system. To compare it to another J+ manga, the nobility in Centuria consists of magic users descended from a godking because his powers serve as "proof" of his divine right. This is, to me, a lot more realistic than magic users being oppressed by the muggles.
I'll let the author cook cause there definitely might be a good explanation for why the setting is this way.
>Mages held all the power for 90% of the setting's history. Humans recently seized power in a revolution, which had the side effect of creating a culture of genocidal racism against mages
>The government is secretly ran by mages who are trying to secure power from themselves

Worldbuilding autism aside, her friend's death managed to make me sad.

>>283216665
*secure power for themselves

>>283214319
Cute NotNico with Nico's dress
>>283214398
Cute not Kaya.

>>283216665
I don't know anon. Both of those are too predictable.
I think that's why I liked Scry-ed so much because alter users were a genuine recent phenomenon. Same with Gunvolt.

>>283214504
Granny panties.

Would you recognize a magger on the street?

>>283215447
It's decent. Can go anywhere from here, though. I will wait 10 chapters to judge.

>>283215035
>>283215059
So this is slice of life.

>>283214728
Damn how much recon do these people have on mages?
>>283214767
>>283214801
>>283214905
These guys are ruthless against mages

How much of a pussy was the mage from block 16 if she wasn't able to escape?

>>283215229
>>283215307
For how much the population hated mages I'd thought the police didn't use magic themselves.

>>283214274 (OP)
terrible name

>>283214905
There’s no need to kill the offenders who are willingly cooperating.

>>283215251
She was innocent back then.

>>283214905
If they were so fucking ruthless why did the friend risk everything so much?

>>283217251
Yeah the Nazi allegory feels a bit unnecessary

>>283215229
I get that they need to kill the mom to move the story, but she could have flown down or to a side, faster than throwing her daughter down.
A shame, Oyakodon runaway adventures sounds like fun.

Too over the top grimderp desu.

wow another edgy manga

>>283215307
this is just metaphor

>>283214274 (OP)
Read it today. Decent art, cute grils. The writing is meh, rather trite. We'll see how it goes, I'll give it a few more chapters.

>>283217230
I think the government hunts mages to study their magic so they can eventually mass produce it

10/10 MC and hints of yuri, on the other hand it's super edgy. Eh we'll see.

>Exact same premise as Kingdoms of Ruin
Will it ever top pic rel?

>muh witches are didomuffins
>muh gods chosen people who aren't accountable for humans laws
>non magic goys must serve to chosen people aka witches

>>283217200
it seems every mage has a unique kind of spell to them, maybe his was a jobber spell. also likely didn't get to train it much, the protagonist could restrain a few people and then steal a gun, but then immediately jobbed.
they even take notice that her mom was very powerful so it must've been uncommon.

>>283216665
Comparing apples to oranges.
This >>283215059 >>283215307 >>283215339 is considered high-end magic in Witchriv's setting. It's strong, sure, but it's not SO strong that the mages wouldn't be at a disadvantage if humans turned against them.
Centuria meanwhile had a character who ended a war and drowned an inland city when he was only 10 years old. And said character is weaker than the guy who rules over the country.

>>283217230
Tyrants are always hypocrites. Naturally they think they are the only ones who can be trusted with such power.

>>283214905
tsk tsk, punishing people for telling you what you want to know just teaches them to keep quiet

>>283215377
Is that a boy or girl

>>283219427
Definitely a girl.

>>283215538
The mom survived in the one shot, she might still be alive

>>283216130
Main differences
>setting in the serialization is more obviously 1900s era
>mom is colder in the one-shot and is teaching her to kill, but she also survives
>one shot has her befriend a witch hunter boy who betrays her and who she blows up too, instead of the stuff with her childhood friend
>ends with them staying in their cottage rather than her being on the run

>>283217344
Very much doubt the mother witch dies that easily.

It was ok, but + will push it as hard as humanly possible (not like they have a choice)

>>283215447
really insipid use of the imagery

Needs more evil women

>>283214274 (OP)
> People who use magic are forced to hide it from non-magical people

How original

Can't wait for the secret witch academy arc

>>283214420
Nona's so dumb. She's treating magic like a plaything, when people fear it. How can you keep it a secret when you're being this obvious?

>>283215447
Boring
Cliche premise, the only fun thing is the magic system but it was still inspiring as fuck. This type of story usually don't get popular.

The witch and the beast is way better.

>>283216168
>>283216199
It's a KGBfag trying to "ally" with a bit series so he can brag about it in jump threads.
They're a bunch of leeches who've done the same thing in MHA and JJK threads, it's pathetic.

>>283215811
>>283215867
Orb, Golden Kamuy, and there are a bunch of forgetable isekai with the same premise

>>283215757
50%. I had already read most of her works, almost all of them are heterosexual, but it's clear that she also likes yaoi and yuri, more than anything she’s into menhara, le crazy characters and edgy stories. She did a kind of one-shot yuri-but-not-yuri before, so we'll have to see how it evolves. I can perfectly see a relationship with the girl at the end or a toxic love with the male antagonist.

>>283220356
>back to having a schizo episode
How many a day do you need just because no one pays you attention?

>>283216130
Wtf this is way better than the boringass serialized version
I guess some editor ruined it with their stupid inputs

Promised Magic Land when?
Witches genociding the humans in that land because it was promised in some magical book 3000 years ago when?
Witchew controlling the most powerful nation on earth when?

>>283220322
*uninspiring

>>283220622
The one shot wasn't really fit for serialization, since the moral is that she should have listened to her mother and never, ever trust other people or get out of the forest.

>Literally nobody remembers Kingdom of Ruins
And that's pretty much the only one that's fairly identical to it. Then again, KoR was a full on revenge porn manga, while this seems to be more serious about giving a hopeful message about handling grief and moving on positively.
Snk, Ajin and stuff have jack shit to do with actual magic. You're just grasping at straws for those comparisons.
Witch hat Atelier is a big maybe, but it approaches the subject of Magic in a more neutral ("magic might be bad, don't use it") angle rather than full on persecution.

>>283220662
How is it any different with the new premise? MC is even dumber for exposing herself that leads to the death of a whole family

>>283220714
She's actively on the run now.

>>283219427
>>283219437
She's also looks like a slave since she has an ankle shackle.

>>283220714
? Anon, whether she was present or not wouldn't have changed shit.
Her friendswould have still spinned the bean and they would all be dead.

>>283220771
I bet she will be hiding as opposed to running from place to place. Alternatively the mom is alive and imprisoned in that place they mention so she look for a way to get her out.

>>283220771
we could have had a cute sol mother-daughter bonding story instead of this dogshit cliche story, it won't get anywhere. And because MC is a girl, audiences would expect more on the romance aspect than the revenge and growing stronger like typical shonen male MCs

Beside the original magic system relies on emotions is way more interesting, imagine things you could do to a girl to make her unable to stay calm

>>283220817
My point is more people die because of her stupidity but I guess it was because they change the concept of the mother. It was dumb to live among humans and hope a young kid will never accidentally reveal her family' secret

>>283214529
>Not even a little bit of human sacrifice?

>>283220829
Anon, she needs a training arc to get stronger first, so she will need a mentor figure as well.

This is why I hate standard shonen story, so predictable

>>283220997
mind you, her friend begged for it, they were both very careless. the difference is that in the one-shot the protagonist and the mom can just stay hidden in the forest, so it feels like a complete story with the characters understanding each other at the end. the serialization forces the protagonist out of her comfort zone and leaves her relationship with her mother unresolved. the setting is pretty much the same, though; in the one-shot humans are also established as having a murderous hatred of witches because of what happened to the dad.

>>283217251
>>283217305
I don't want to ass-cover for the author, but we're still early on. The mother single-handedly annihilated a police division and part of the city with COMB MAGIC, and likely could've done much worse. Magic is highly unpredictable and there may be ways mages can turn humans into sleeper agents or walking bombs without their knowledge (or even with their express consent if they're sympathizers). We haven't met truly bad or desperate mages, yet.

Not the most original setting but I dig committing to the edge. Hopefully it maintains a good balance.

>>283221061
nah, it will be an edgy adventure manga, with nona going from fucked up place to fucked up place as she eludes the witch hunters. the girl that found her is obviously a slave, so that's going to be the fucked up subject of the next chapter/arc. then eventually she will fight the witch hunters and they will use her mother's magic and she will realize that her mother is alive but being kept in the research facility.

Already better than Marchen Crown. Although that shit is written by Aka so it's a low bar.

>>283214905
jesus christ, this published in mangaplus ?

Boring slop. WSJ is not what used to be anymore.

>>283214274 (OP)
>>283214279
>>283214299
Those braids frighten and confuse me. Only a witch could shape them like that.

>>283221340
Jump+ is a lot looser with content restrictions
Make The Exorcist Fall In Love for example had a whole arc about rape

>>283221217
What happens with the slave girl will signpost where this series is headed. If it's as you think, her masters will be fucked up humans and she'll escape with her after finding her resolve.

If it's something more complex, the master will be another mage in hiding that becomes a mentor and is sidelined/killed when it becomes apparent the accepted answer to mage genocide is ningen enslavement/genocide.

>>283220997
No, you said the "whole family", which is three people. And those three people were guaranteed to die no matter what Novi would have done here.
>B-But more people died regardless
You don't know that. It would be impossible for anyone given the amount of information as she did to understand the situation until the guy explained the glass reasoning.
And at that point she had like 3 minutes at most to run away. And even if she got home on time, the dude had guns so her mom would have still been forced to nuke everybody.
Anyway, show don't tell : she knew from before that the bureau would have stormed her house anyway (she had no way of knowing her mom had a flying broom or a mass murder spell) so her only hope was that her friend would shut her mouth, and she had no other option but to watch and confirm.

>>283221436
nah, it will be more fucked up than just the slavers being abusive, considering what the mangaka's previous manga is like i wouldn't be surprised if the slave girl herself has some sort of unhealthy affection for her master. also the slave girl will die at the end of the chapter/arc because of course she will.

>>283221583
Nona*
Fuck

>>283214274 (OP)
Is this yuri?

>>283215447
Magical Anne Frank Death Wish.

>>283221799
Its jewri

>>283214504
Nice save.

>>283214529
I wonder if there'll be an actual non-dickbag reason revealed later.

>>283214801
>>283214905
Guess not.

>>283215059
>combed the bullets
Nice.

>>283215229
>>283215279
Fuck.

>>283215123
Huh, so the artist CAN draw proper-looking braids.

Thanks OP.


>>283215447
Basically seems good, but too grim and depressing for my taste. The girl's top cute, but I don't want to see her continue running and suffering from these total cunts.

>>283220771
One would guess in the oneshot more witch hunters would start showing up after the first one, they would have to be on the run eventually.

>>283217250
Yes, but still better than the oneshot's

>>283221436
So either
>humans bad, even against other humans
Or
>other mages also bad

>>283222247
I love edgy and cynical "everyone bad" stories.

>>283215674
>>283216130
>Meririrarariri
Fuck that's a terrible oneshot title. Whoever changed it made a good call.

>>283217250
Dodged a bullet, really.

>first oneshot page
Suddenly I'm feeling less sorry for her.
>5th page
Dude.
>6th page
This is doing a way better job of depicting witches as freaky.
>finished
That was good. A little more hopeful than chapter 1, even if the world's still a shitty place.

>>283222247
More like
>being moral is hard and dangerous so those with the most success in maintaining power are the few capable of acting like monsters to keep it

Not that turning into Nice Hitler is the only solution, just that it's a massively uphill battle to create a just society where people can focus on living against those who are cynical and brutal.

So this is basically the kingdom of ruin, but the MC is a waifu

>>283214801
How come people haven't weaponized the police to kill their enemies by dropping an anonymous tip that they know a witch? They don't even need to be witches themselves.

>>283222835
They probably have, there's only one chapter so far.
As long as the system works most of the time and the government can cover up their mistakes they have no incentive to change the system.

>>283219536
Yeah they'll probably brainwash her and use her to fight her own daugther.

>>283215088
I haven0t finished the chapter so I don't know if they are going to show magic as whimsical and beautiful the same way as it is shown being destructive here. With that in mind, no wonder people are afraid of magic. Fascists use that fear to gain power and supress people but the fear people have of mages is not unfound.

Cute art...
the artist worked on quite a lot of stuff

>>283215279
Mama tanked that btw

>>283214553
yuri

>ANOTHER LESBIAN WITCH
what's with witches and lesbians

>>283223547
women are better than men

>>283223547
We don't know that yet. Better than the useless-male option though.
>how about a non-useless male
Yeah, like that'll happen.

>>283214905
Her design was wasted, necromancy when

>>283224188
Erm it was historically believed men could be witches and they were burned at the stake and everything

>>283224570
NOOO

>>283223547
Both will get male love interests

>>283224601
Sounds gay.

>>283224753
based

>>283223547
? I think all the Witches we've gotten so far are straight unless i am forgetting someone

>>283224641
I HATE THESE EVIL LESBIAN WITCHES

>>283222535
Hopefully it doesn't go full retard with a dumb twist because the mangaka is still salty her first manga got cancelled.

>>283215307
Kek, this guy has love interest written all over his face. Was i tricked into reading another shoujo? I'm not complaining

>>283225320
I get the feeling he’ll be an antagonist, but one with genuine ideological/utilitarian motives instead of just being a full-on fascist

>>283215374
We love grimdark here.

>Witches can kill soldiers with no problem with fucking comb magic
They are justified in genociding the witches, if any witch had a strong magic and training they could fuck the whole army

>>283226372
You do wonder what normal people did to protect themselves against evil witches before gunpowder.

Her mom is hot.
Hope I get lewds of her getting gang raped by the Nazis.

>>283214905
>>283214936
kek I somehow missed they wasted the glasses girl too. what a shitshow

skimmed thru it
looks gay

Tent.

>tfw this would have been 100x better if it were about the mom
Many such cases.

>>283220574
Do you think we're blind and can't see what you put on the cover of your schizo threads?
Fuck off out of here with your shit manga.

>>283221340
ye but good luck having any T&A those are strictly forbidden
so no Noa or Mato for you
>>283224641
Hex with Selem

>>283215447
It was okay, I might read more if it gets more chapters.

I hope she falls in love with a male and gets dicked.

>>283226752
Bakushin more like Dumbshin

>>283215447
I kinda liked the setup of the one-shot better with her mom being more secretive but I also understand that some of it works better as a short story. We'll see.

>>283225320
The one-shot already had shades of it but with an edgy spin so I wouldn't be surprised.

>>283215447
It's a cool setup but i need more chapters to give full rating.

Why would anyone in that crowd choose to cooperate with authorities?
>snitch on the witch
>get shot
>oh and they shoot your parents for the crime of giving birth to you
This is going to convince people to snitch on witches? I don't see the motivation. These clowns didn't even wait to see Nona do magic before shooting, Lovi said that Nona is a witch and bang bang bang, immediately, just like that, in broad daylight in front of crowd. Lovi could have been saying whatever on the spot out of pressure, why shoot before even looking at Nona? And shouldn't everyone be aware that this is what they do during witch hunting? Why would Lovi snitch like she doesn't know this is going to be the reward? Clearly they don't try to hide that this is the reward, they make a big public show out of it. They even say at the start of the story that a mage got arrested just recently, just next block. What, they didn't execute the informant in public this time? Do they roll dice at the start of the day to decide how evil they are going to be? And all this shitshow just because someone saw Lovi break her glasses and then she still had glasses the other day. She could just have two pairs? Spare glasses? She could be wearing her old prescription? Fuuuuck this writing.

>>283227999
Also forgot but I noticed that the setting changed from a more traditional fantasy JRPG with the mom and daughter living out in the woods vs the serialzed version setting it in more modern times in a city. While it's cliched, I do think the fantasy setting gives more leeway and freedom for the mom and daughter since they were simply hiding from witch hunts. Because now the more modern setting brings up questions of worldbuilding between the systemic oppression of society and how witches even came to be oppressed in the first place and I don't know how well the author can juggle all those ideas.

Where can I read the oneshot? I didn't get read it.

>>283228316
She got shot because she confessed she hid the witch for 7 years.

>>283215917
>japanese author
>not always being a cuck for the government
Pick only 1, the only author to ever tell the gov to fuck off was the captain harlock one.

>>283228383
Here you go:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/c3a021d3-59fc-40ef-8c3b-10d881dd7e15/

A little rough around the edges but I thought the setup between the mom and daughter was a little more interesting.

>>283228475
>One piece main villain is the WG
There's plenty more too so what are you talking about?

>>283228510
>grandpa of protagonist is a high ranking military officer and government cocksucker
lol,lmao even.

>>283215447
It's alright so far, but it's too early to tell if it'll do its premise well or not. From what I know of the mangaka though I'm expecting some pacing issues and a mediocre ending.
>>283216665
It looks like they're already setting up that the mages are being used as lab rats/batteries for the glowies, so I suspect the mage racism is specifically the "you have a resource we want therefore we have to justify hating you" slave trade flavor. Depending on the execution it could turn out pretty sensible.

The witch concentration camp escape arc will go hard

>>283228540
>grandpa of protagonist
Yeah the grandpa who was shown to be in the wrong for obeying government. I also like you ignore the father of protagonist is the leader of a revolutionary army that wants to take down the world government.

>>283228968
>The witch concentration camp escape arc will go hard
The first chapter already showed some mages are working for them, it's probably eithef become a government dog's or sent to a dungeon to get experimented on

>>283228020
I mean she also brutally killed that dude

>>283229164
Yeah and it was hot

>>283225320
>Was i tricked into reading another shoujo?
Love interest killing mc parents? This screams basic Kdrama if anything

>>283216233
The ghouls get persecuted because they fucking eat people

>>283214274 (OP)
>superhuman is le bad
>superhuman is oppressed by muggles
This shit already sucks. If it’s yuri, then it deserves to be axed

The art is not from an amateur, whoever did this has experience.

>>283215570
Back in the red hood threads I pitched an idea similar to this manga, witches that are humans and has sharp teeth and magic, with a similar execution story of the mother but less sympathetic. The key point was that during the event that reveals the protagonist and mother to the children, it's revealed that she's working with the church as an asset, with the implication of using humans as cattle to feed their witches to harvest their powers. They play politics, setting up orphanage and pointing humans at a real threat, but ultimately they just want to use that fear to take every drop of flesh and blood from muggles and humans alike. I believe this conceptual idea to not be unique or hard to grasp as a regular idea fag, and it makes sense to me that instead of the church it's the new " temples" of industry confiscating magic while keeping the public locked into fear that a mage will errupt into violence to avoid capture.

>>283231818
>Are humans
Eat humans. I have been banished to the mobile posting jogger concentration camp. Please forgive me

>>283219437
proof?

>>283214372
>>283214529
>Mages are dangerous and have to be detained...because they just do, okay!?
That's lazy worldbuilding. At the very least have some psycho mage 50+ years ago going on a mass murder rampage as a reason for increased crackdown on the mages.
>>283215088
I mean yeah, that works. But that sort of thing should be something that has a precedent that's widely know, to explain why everyone freaks out about mages. Cause it seems that people are clueless and just hate mages for the sake of it(if they knew how dangerous they are they'd bolt the fuck out of there instead tossing rocks at a potential warhead missile).

>>283216665
>her friend's death managed to make me sad.
I kinda wish she had more time to contemplate how badly she fucked up by asking MC to do magic and then selling her out despite it not saving her family. Though it's not like the pacing would allow it, and the story probably wouldn't have any use for her after this point anyway.

no big hat?

>>283232061
Witches didn't even exist in real life and they still got vilified and tortured to death.

>>283215447
That was pretty good. It hooked and captivated me quickly, I already want to burn down the world and topple the government, and magic is really interesting with how it's used and treated. If it's piblished in the Sunday issues, then Jump could have a good bunch of dark mangas on its hands.

>>283228337
>Also forgot but I noticed that the setting changed from a more traditional fantasy JRPG with the mom and daughter living out in the woods vs the serialzed version setting it in more modern times in a city. While it's cliched, I do think the fantasy setting gives more leeway and
The guy had a shotgun in the oneshot, it wasn't THAT fantasy.

>>283214274 (OP)
2edgy4me
But the Anne Frank with magic and a death wish angle is new.

>>283227230
I hope you fall in love with a male and get dicked.

>>283221583
We literal saw her mother massacred a bunch of military men
If Nona wasn't an idiot who got herself exposed, her mother wouldn't have to kill so many in public either. But my point is this direction is dumber than the oneshot cause the mother decided to live among humans while they should have stayed away from them no matter what

>>283221217
She can go from one fucked up place to another for her whole life but that won't teach her how to fight against an army with magical tools, she wasn't taught how to fight in this version

>>283229019
Oda has been trying to redeem Garp to the point he is now a shitty character

>>283214801
>>283214835
>>283214869
>>283214905
>Expected Lovi to betray her cause she’s racist of something like the oneshot
>She’s actually just as much a victim as Nova
I prefer this take on it. It’d feel too edgy and nihilistic if every human was a cunt like in Kingdoms of Ruin

>>283225149
You are, but I have no idea what the fuck you mean by "so far".

>>283226416
https://files.catbox.moe/1lvnhh.png

>>283235660
Was this recently made.

>>283233394
The idea of widespread organized witch hunting is a modern fabrication popularized by pop culture media. It's not that witch persecution literally never happened, the amount is not zero, there has been are isolated hysterical events (Salem trials) and there has been heresy persecution (far more common but very distinct from witchcraft), but nearly all claims of widespread organized witch burning, especially the european kind, is basically entirely made up by fake historians who pulled numbers out of their ass for the sake of drama. When you actually look into archived court records to check out what came out of these types of accusation, what comes out is that you are more likely of being killed for witchcraft today in Asia/Africa than in Europe 1000 years ago, that's just how much the historical perspective is twisted.

>>283235660
The fastest porn fanart I've ever seen.

>>283214274 (OP)
Witchriv's editor is the talented Shihei Lin.

>Fire Punch
>Chainsaw Man
>Dandadan
>Spy x Family
>Centuria

>>283236054
It was probably made after the oneshot.

>Release Date
>Jul 21, 2024

>>283236098
>Heart Gear
I'm still salty they axe this.
Also, it still baffles me to this day how Black Torch got cancelled while Gokurakugai got so popular.
I guess the mangaka is just super unlucky.

>>283215035
>>283215059
>>283215119
It irks me that witch mom COMB'ed all those soldiers except the super ultra evil leader protected by plot armor. He stood right in front of Nona, the mom had clear view of him, why would she not get him but sliced the bullets aimed at her? She took out more than just the soldiers, when you look at the destruction she caused in the city she probably killed 10 civilians for every soldiers she took out, that's just how much she shredded everything, but somehow she managed to miss king asshole.

800k views in 1 day, so it will definitely cross 1 million before chapter 2. Now the real test will be keeping them with chapter 2.

>>283236353
>800k views in 1 day
>it's real
Nice

>>283235660
I wish I was the guy getting the braidjob

>>283235897
We can use the Holocaust analogy instead if you'd like. The point is normal, powerless humans have been rounded up and killed for less, so fictional witchicide isn't even a stretch.

>>283225149
Who is the bottom witch?

Simce it makes the distinction of witches and humans, then humans that use magic are not conaidered witches? Like the Gazpacho magic users are not witches?
Are witches a different species and if so, how come they can breed with humans? And then can their mule daugthers breed with humans?

Read the oneshot just now. Kinda preferred the more casual ,,people just hate witches and do hunts or lynches" vibe from the ,,muh oppresive totalitarian gobmint with secret police randomly executing people in broad daylight". Both lack enough validation for the widespread persecution, but with a random mob mentality you don't need it. For a whole structured organization to revolve around it, yeah it's kinda necessary.

>>283236262
Thinking about this chapter just makes it progressively worse.
1) Anons already did point out how retardedly ruthless magic police was. Given non-mages are getting zero'd on the spot publicly - who in the right mind would ever cooperate? When whole family gets killed, not even for being a mage or helping them, but "knowing" one, there is no reason for anyone to even consider telling the truth. Collective responsibility is not a thing not because we are civil people, but because it does not fucking work that way.
2) Literal random reporting a girl.. for breaking glasses is just does not make any sense. Even worse with random neighbour seeing a fucking comb trough a seconds of blown curtains? How did said neighbour even assume that this thing is a wand? From the distance of a different fucking house, none the less. >>283215035 Just look at it again. "Yeah thats surely a wand, time to report hehe." Imagine amount of false reports.
3) When officer told his explaination about glass repairs - I had a literal /tv/sherlock pasta moment.
4) You tell me that because some random saw "repaired glassess", police actually went trough a full investigation? Imagine amount of wasted time investigating false reports made out of retardation, paranoia or jealosity?

>>283214274 (OP)
She looks familiar.

>>283225149
You don't watch many shows.

>>283237312
Yeah, it is a very amateurish dystopian writing mistake to just take the Gestapo or KGB for wholesale without providing the necessary geopolitics and world scale that would lead to people accepting such to begin with. Germany and Russia were FUCKED before the Nazis and Commies came to rule, of course the average 50 year old that lived through that nonsense would go "lol lmao of course I'm gonna go goosestepping and ratting out my neighbors.".

Yeah, we get it, this is not a healthy society and we had our own show trials and nightmare dystopias. But also those points in human history were a long chain of distinct factors and "strong men" projecting their paranoia and delusions onto society. You can't just toss in magic and witches or other distinct variables that would completely change how people get into these situations without expanding on the world. Even in a debut chapter, you need to explain how something like a Bureau of Magic would even get to this point, especially if you going to IMMEDIATELY call them hypocrites.

>>283237400
> there is no reason for anyone to even consider telling the truth
That is fairly true to life. There was just a lot of false reports in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union and even Revolutionary France. If you just had someone you didn't like and a scrap of evidence, you could just get rid of them. A major point missed out on these amateur dystopias is that the populace weren't just victims, but perpetrators of the same shitty system. They knew exactly what they were doing, they just never thought the Lions Eating Your Face Party would ever eat THEIR faces!

>>283237400
5) If people were actually THAT paranoid and report most mundane second-guess shit - anti magic police would be running around confirming false reports for like 99% of cases. Not to mention amount of false executions, given how fucking comically trigger happy and evil those people are - barely anyone would interact with them, imagine doing a mistake report to those guys.
6) Who the fuck does interrogations in the public when mages can ruin whole street in seconds? And its fucking COMB magic. You don't even have to imagine casualties in case of things going wrong. And keep in mind - our mage wasnt even 'evil'. Magic police detainment protocols are written by a literall retard, its just unrealistic. It was "interrogating terrorist with a bomb on their body inside a prime time subway" levels of retarded.

If author wanted to do "totalitarian secret police" shit - thats pretty much fucking opposite from how it worked. If they wanted witch hunts - they don't make sense when witches are actually real and can level a street within few seconds.

Overall all that means that things are happining just for the sake of "shock content", not out of some solid vision on the worldbuilding or the idea behind it. Comically evil anti-magic police that is both ultra competent and retarded at the same time.

>>283237446
I agree, I just could not bypass 2k limit >>283237461 so important part about that level of paranoia being "realistic" only within very specific situations interacts very badly with
a) Witches being an actual weapons of mass destruction. Thats not how you treat those issues. "You are a spy" and witch hunts did work because said victims could not kill the police, then just escape leaving a street-sized trail of destruction on their way.
b) "secret police" doing a fucking public execution show with cooperators (not even witches) without solid evidence and instantly taking words said under the gunpoint for the truth. Not even attempt to figure out details, get useful information. You know, information you require for a stealth kill to avoid.. well, to avoid pretty much what happened in the chapter.

>ongoing fantasy manga
>need to wait for 4+ years to get finished story
What's the name of ongoing fantasy manga about elf girl and old dude with long hair, beard and sword? I remember seething chapter 1 thread long time ago here.

>>283237461
>>283237568
Again, there's no such thing as a "false report" in these lands. You know exactly what you are doing interacting with the cops to begin with. It isn't even about the fear of Witches that makes people believe in bad Game Theory, but that there is no way to lose out in this.
>If the accused is a Witch, I win. I prove I'm not a Witch and an Ally of the State.
>If the accused is innocent, I didn't know them or I wanted them to die anyway. I win.
>If the accused is innocent and they don't execute me for wasting their time, I win.

This isn't a game of Among Us where getting your neighbors killed is an active detriment to yourself in multiple ways. It is ultimately about proving your loyalty to the state and upwards mobility at the expense of the society itself. As long as the cops don't think false reports is a crime itself or also don't benefit from public executions and fearmongering, you always win the Prisoner's Dilemma no matter what.

And to somewhat defend the public execution, it wasn't like they knew the Witch was in crowd or that they would literally comb over. If this was standard practice, it would all be about establishing fear in the populace. And even if the witch DID retaliate, you just get to prove that haha witches are evil and will kill everyone the moment they are caught. It was more underestimating how bad the witch situation was in the first place that made it look stupid and horrifically self-defeating. If you just did this inside the house, this would have been a hell of a lot less costly... So yeah, you are right on the Witch of Mass Destruction part.

>>283214274 (OP)
>>283214299
That hairstyle. She’s obviously a witch, burn her.

>>283216665
>>Mages held all the power for 90% of the setting's history. Humans recently seized power in a revolution, which had the side effect of creating a culture of genocidal racism against mages
>>The government is secretly ran by mages who are trying to secure power from themselves
That is literally FFXVI

>>283221340
Mangaplus has way more gruesome shit. It has MAD, man.

>>283235897
While it’s true they were never “common,” there WERE mass witch trials during the 30 Years War, especially in Germany. The vast majority of these people were not given proper trials and most of them aren’t even named in the records.It’ll just list a series of people convicted and refer to them as stuff like “the prettiest girl in town” or “the baker and his wife.”
Now, a lot of historians speculate that this probably at least partially done as a military scare tactic (and these tactics were not exclusive to the Church obviously), but it is what it is

>>283238017
* was probably at least partially done
I’m typing this on my phone if you couldn’t tell

>>283237676
Oh, I don't mean that society like that can't exist - it, in fact, did, as you've listed yourself. But performing investigations on most mundane reports at the levels of "my neighbour's lawn is greener, they are a wizard." is just unrealistic in terms of how easily it is to find a report reason (we had fucking repaired glasses and comb, come on) compared to amount of time confirmation would requre.

So either there must be a deterrent for people to not report shit they aren't certain about, or anti-magic police should be drowned in most retarded reports, making situation on the manga unrealistic based solely on the fact that police should not even be able to react to said report within a day.

Keep in mind, its much harder to convincingly report your neighbour/enemy/random for "being a spy" and not be dismissed for talking nonsence (so start an actual investigation). Thats why it somewhat "worked" the way you describe. Its not exactly the same here - we've seen anti-magic police investigating "well I've looked at the window at the opposite house and woman was holding a comb thats definitely a wand."
Honestly it would be a decent comedy manga. Protagoinst is an anti-magic investigator and mages are an actual threat to society, but all he does is runs around checking glass repair records and "she held something weird sitting on her bed, surely it was a MAGIC WAND".

So its not exactly the society/people that look unrealistic, its the citizen-goverment interaction itself that does not make too much sense.

A witch species would rise to the top of the social chain at least until they became severely inbred.

>Meririrarariri
Someone explain why was the oneshot named this way

>>283238094
Daughter having a human father and police using magic pretty much completely shuts off idea of witches being "not humans", thats just propaganda, at least from what we saw.

>>283217949
When the gestapo is already at
>all magic is le bad (unless we're the ones using it)
that's just fair game

>>283238143
Well I really meant Witch Race. Rather why didn't the witches take over the world before humans even invented guns? Do you have to be a nice girl to be a witch?

>>283237446
Yeah, I'm sure they regret not infodumping the history of their civilization in chapter 1 for the autistic hobbits in the audience.

>>283238619
Given how cartoonishly evil the anti-witch police is, world is doomed to be secretly ruled by some edgy shit, either a secret faction of dark witches, some other entities like demons, magical girl mascots or other mundane shit. I mean, police already uses magic so they at least have pro-goverment witches.

>>283238650
Well, if you are instantly diving into topic of presecution based on certain traits - outright telling us "why" (at least officialy) would generally improve the story, yes.

Honestly, mom going outright mass murderer with extreme collateral damage does not exactly help either, the whole presentation is a mess. It really was "our protagonist, ladies and gentlemen" moment of the manga.

>ghost fixers
BRAVO VINCE

Thought it was about to end but nope shit’s going down

>>283238774
Anyways the author doesn't have to explain it in the first volume(that's usually a mistake anyway) but if we get 30 chapters and I'm not satisfied with some of the answers, I'll probably drop it for awhile if not forever.

>>283239041
…..wait wrong thread
ignore

>>283238094
They probably were at the top until normies rebelled.

>>283214698
>>283214728
>>283214767
>>283214801
>>283214835
>>283214869
>>283214905
I need Ichi to drop here and teach these bums a couple of things about Hunting

>>283215059
100% deserved

>>283215279
Those sissy guns did nothing, she's alive

>>283215307
>>283215339
I need this faggot mutilated and crying for mercy ASAP

>>283238052
Another relevant thing to note: When OGPU or NKVD arrested ,,traitors", they didn't give a shit if they were guilty or not. They'd just force a confession so they could send more people into labour camps(gulags). Here presumably they want ACTUAL witches, and they want them taken alive. So false reports would directly hinder their operations, since they clearly don't want regular people for their camps and just execute them instead.

>>283215447
I'm looking forward to what happens next, the bad guys are hateable enough for me to root for Nona, and the magic might be interesting.

>>283236137
The rapists have the uniforms so it must be freshly made.

>>283228316
In this case the snitch was a completely different person, Lovi got her whole family killed because some rando saw her break her glasses and the next day she had them fixed, and apparently the town is small enough to only have one single shop capable of repairing glasses.
It is bad but I'm guessing the point is to induce fear and paranoia amongst the people, the Bureau of Magic surveillance has the monopoly of violence and they can even use magic themselves, so they likely don't give two shits about the state of the population as long as they are divided and scared

>>283224601
I mean if you want to go that way, for most of the middles ages (the actual middles ages, not the modern period) the church didn't believe in witches doing anything
>But the people burned at the stakes
Yeah, for heresy and for being scammers. Church didn't believe in witches because magic isn't real and only God can do miracles.

>>283240700
The problem is that if GOOD witch can perform a terror attack on a scale which would make society probably write it as the country's great tragedy (how many people even died there? Tens? More than a hundred? >>283215119 ) using fucking COMB FUCKING MAGIC - imagine what can actual evil/rebellious ones with decent element could potentially do.

You'd think one would approach whole issue of walking WMDs completely different. I bet you if this shit won't get axed - we will laugh about "wait so police tried to openly hunt people that can level entire city with a handwave with GUNS !? And they mercilessly killed their loved ones?"

Like seriously, if one can scale fucking comb to that >>283215119 - one would think that eliminating a witch should be a very carefully planned task, preferably without any open confrontation. You are not hunting some helpless randoms, we are talking about a walking catastrophe here.

Actually this series reminds me of that mecha manga that uses naked women as shield

I hope Nona's magic improves into something cool, if her mom can fuck up entire buildings with fucking comb Magic imagine the cool shit she could pull off with her sewing Magic

>>283241503
Jinrouki Winvurga, I know what you are talking about. Unsure how you got there with WITCHRIV, but it is something of a fun read. At least the sequel series, Rebellion.

>>283215059
Oh hey the comb goes outside the panel frame. Neat.

>>283215307
I know the writing has been criticized a bunch of times but I'd just like to point out that they are using portal magic in the middle of the streets, anyone just looking outside the window would see them do this, and of course people peek at accident scenes through their windows. The author isn't trying very hard to present any of the bad guys behavior as remotely plausible. Or what, they have mass memory manipulation magic? The only way to salvage this dumpster fire is that they can just wipe everyone's memory in the style of Men In Blacks.

>>283241430
Why are you so hung up on the idea of the mom not having particularly good offensive powers, you autist? It's magic, it's not a given that someone with a knife wand will be stronger, particularly if you know what combs are capable of in fairy tales.

>>283242790
I don't see what the issue is here. Did I miss where it implies they are trying to hide the existence of magic?

One-shot was better for focusing on a simple theme like "value of emotions", this chapter feels lacking in comparison

>>283243155
It's not about hiding the existence of magic, it's about hiding that the government uses magic. The story is clearly written from the perspective that the common people is falling for the government's propaganda that witches must be removed from the population for the sake of public safety, because magic too dangerous to be used by anyone, when clearly the real story is that the government wants to monopolize magic and they SHOW it. What about this >>283215229, isn't portal gun something that everyone in this country knows the police can do? Why are they surprised? The story is written like the characters don't know what's going on with the bad guys except it's also written like the bad guys do not give a single shit about hiding what they do. Very jarring.

>>283237418
Ojousamas can be witches?
Can witches play rock?

>>283243479
I like that they got rid of the "magic only works if you are calm" bit from the oneshot. That was an unnecessary handicap.
I like that they can conjure their wands from thin air so there's no way the plot can go "I can't cast magic because I lost my wand", but they could have taken it further and just get rid of the wands altogether. I guess they look cool when casting magic.

>>283223329
Almost all of these are one shots. She only had one serialization + spin-off.

Of course she kills everyone but the super evil dude.
Lots of bad writing, not a good start.

>>283243910
The officer clearly says it's an experimental prototype in >>283215307. The gov'll just spin it as "it's different because we're humans harnessing it to protect human society."

4chan will seethe at this series because the bad guys look like Nazis

>>283244830
The soldier in >>283214936 also publicly declares
>Under Regulation 43 regarding retention of mages and magic for the purposes of research, you will be sent to the Uvral facility
So it's not a secret that the government is actively trying to figure out how magic works.

Does every new Jump manga get Frodos crawling out of the woodwork like this, or is this just some kind of coping mechanism against the grimdark?

>>283245086
This seems to be getting it worse than usual, though new Jump+ manga usually don't get this much attention in the first place.

>>283215119
Of course she just happens to miss the commanding officer.

>>283245086
One of the posters does this kind of thing habitually, I recognize him from his faggy writing style. Engaging with fiction so you have an excuse to wordvomit about how much smarter you are than the mangaka sounds like a waste of time to me but to each their own

>>283244830
>>283244945
Look. The author could have written a story in which all the people of that country are die hard xenophohic ultra-nationalist who openly approve of persecuting witches for the purpose of stealing their powers. The behavior of the police and the belief of the citizens would all line up. The author didn't write that, they wrote that the people believe the governments hunt witches for public safety and that's a rather undefendable inconsistency considering what they do in broad daylight. But we all know why the author did it: so the story could happen. The mom intentionally stayed in comically nazi anti-witch country just so that this drama could happen, when she could have taken one look at the situation, facepalmed, grabbed a broom and gotten out of there with her daughter, dodging all the silliness. THAT is the real reason why the background setting of this country seems to change into a completely different one between the start of the chapter and at the end.

>>283245086
Nothing wrong with grimdark, I just raise eyebrows at storytelling inconsistency. I'd completely support this mango if Lovi was deleted and it was just about Nona and her mom being magical terrorists fighting back against a country of hard xenophohic ultra-nationalist who openly approve of persecuting witches for the purpose of stealing their powers. Yep that's kino, but instead what we got is weird.

>>283216047
Ajin was pretty fun.
>The moment one of said immortals actually knows how to fight, the government gets completely fucking outclassed
To be fair, SATO was outclassing everyone even before he became/discovered that he was an Ajin. Guy is literally "gamers rise up" version of Joker. It's fucking hilarious and awesome.

>>283214274 (OP)
is this yuri? on the WSJ????

Yuri? Not gonna bother if it isn't.

>>283246123
>I'd prefer if ALL the humans were evil, that'd be more realistic
They're a mix of scared of witches and scared of the government, with some nice ones thrown in that're too pure to live. Nona and mom would have even less reason to stick around if they were all assholes. Mom explains in >>283215172 that she kept living with humans so her daughter could see that nice ones existed like her dad, and have the choice of continuing to quietly live among them. It was the opposite parenting response to trauma compared to the oneshot, but both are understandable while still being imperfect and tough on the kid in different ways.

I like the conflict with her friend here vs the egdy twist in the one-shot but not too keen on it going the route of systemic oppression under the humans vs classic witch hunts. The guns popping out of the magic circle array at point blank gave me a hearty chuckle though that didn't seem intentional.

>>283248017
It did seem like she could've veered off any which way instead of stopping right in front of it and letting them blast her. That's the one part I thought could've used some work.

>>283247708
>>283248017
witch hunts were systemic oppression of women

>>283237446
>Yeah, it is a very amateurish dystopian writing mistake to just take the Gestapo or KGB for wholesale without providing the necessary geopolitics and world scale that would lead to people accepting such to begin with.
My assumption is that there were evil witches that oppressed people in the past before magitech came about. It's basically a default genre assumption and I'll be disappointed if its played as a big reveal.

>>283214730
>>283214801
>OHHH, HARRY PUTAH!!!!
for fucks sake, is this another stupid story about muh superhumans race most live in the shadows because????

>>283214905
>communist tier society
is the mangaka even paying attention to it's retarded world building? like if the gov is so fucked up you would expect hunger and poverty to be everywhere no to mention that mages would had already destroyed if it was so fucked up

>>283215037
lmao is gonna end up as a member of U19
unless yuri/edgy fags keep it alive like they did with crap like tokyo ghoul

>>283215447
it is gonna get axed, the world building is quite poor and relies too much in the shock, mind you I know that they probably are gonna avoid showing that many kills for while but still I don't like the plot is like a reverse (poorly done) shinsekai yori type of stuff

>>283249640
Historically men were often tried as witches.
Yeah yeah in a lot of cases you could make the argument that misogyny was a major factor, but it was a lot more complex than that

>>283248679
Yep

>>283249640
Both are forms of oppression but it's more of the story beats I'm referring to: the witch hunts depicted in the one-shot is more vague and gives the author more leeway to keep it localized or part of a system vs the serialized version being militarized and mandated under the goverment.

>>283250379
Shinsekai Yori was such a gem.

>>283215447
It looks okay, the premise is a bit trite but I like the art, the magic seems nice, and I like that Nona didn't volunteer herself to try to save Lovi.
I think it would have been too easy to give Nona a stronger, more self-sacrificial character. Instead Lovi tries to save herself and her parents, which is both entirely understandable while also throwing Nona under the bus. So Nona both has a reason to dislike Lovi, even though she understands why she did what she did, and since Lovi is dead the relationship can never be fixed.
I feel like a more standard story would of have Lovi survive and recruited to be part of the anti-witch squad so her and Nona could fight and make up, or something trite or overly shounen like that.
We don't have much world building yet, but I'll stick around for the first three chapters at least.

>>283215447
Honestly, the completely generic vague fantasy setting and the decision to kill off both a friend and the mom in front of the MC lead to rushed pacing where we don't even get to feel the emotions for either of the deaths or connect with the MC either. The art is competent but also generic. Since it's on Jump+ it's going to get more attention than it derserves and probably survive longer than if it had been published in a less known magazine.

>>283250158
Nigga it's Jump+ nothing gets U19 even sub 1k sales series get to run for 3 volumes.

>>283250869
The mom isn't dead, she's gonna be alive and turned into a fucked up human experiment and at the end MC is gonna have to kill her herself.

>>283250914
The point is that the MC believes she's dead, but the emotional impact of the scene isn't there at all.

>>283250098
Ostania is secret-policed as fuck, but people get by.

>>283250955
Sounds like a (You) problem.

>>283250955
The main character didn't even have time to grieve, they're saving that part for chapter 2.

>>283237568
It could make sense if the cops or the powers behind them are involved with witches in some way, but I see no way non-witches would be chasing witches around unless they're insane or have a death wish, at which points no one would take them seriously.

If they're taken seriously it's just too hard to believe any operative cell of the police hunting witches wouldn't have someone either specialized in dealing with witches or a witch themselves. The whole premise is full of holes.

>>283251008
Fire Punch is an example of a similar premise where the MC's death was a complete gut punch while being edgy in a way that was visercal and not full of contrivances like the main govt guy conveniently not being slaughtered by the mom. Persecution of mages/mutants/espers and the MC losing someone in the first chapter has been done to death so that it actually requires authors to do something novel when it comes to writing, paneling, worldbuilding, character dyanmics, etc. for people to give a shit. Ironically the most "novel" thing about this first chapter I've seen both Japanese and English-speaking people on xitter who might actually keep up and buy the volumes talking about is the yuri potential that shows up on the last two pages.

>>283251034
You mean like how they had a dude tagging along with the portal guns here? You guys are jumping down this thing's throat like crazy, it's chapter fucking one.

>>283251145
My bad. I didn't explain myself clearly because I wrote too fast..I mean that nobody would cooperate without one of these in the open. If they're acting like this in the open without support they're just lunatics. Think of reporting witches as bomb reports. The crowd would disperse and if someone isn't bring someone to defuse that shit nobody is going to trust them.

>>283249640
Wrong. Men could be witches too.

>>283249640
I highly recommend not getting your history from tumblr and reddit. They, like, completely make up stuff.

>>283215035
>>283215059
>>283215119
>Can destroy a city and genocide it's population as easy as farting
Yeah I know what happened was bad but idk I dont totally hate the humans here

Why is witchriv the title, like what does that mean

>>283251402
Deserved. The whole crowd was yelling in support of what the police was doing. The only thing that's bad here is that she combed through the whole crowd (and city block behind) but missed the commander.

>>283251402
It's the witches fault for not claiming their position as gods of this world to rule the non-magical population as if they don't matter, while fighting their feuds among themselves. Honzuki was right.

>>283251452
The plot twist will be that all magic is technology and the main character is actually an android, model WITCH series R number IV

>>283214274 (OP)
i swear their was a even edgier manga that even got a anime that was just like this manga's premise

>>283251186
Apparently most witches are harmless shitters who can't take a regular armed squad.

>>283251452
I dunno, it could be a Live / Riv(enge) pun about her life choices after this.

>>283251935
Would you take a risk at poking a potential bomb to see if they're gonna level a block or just destroy it's package?

>>283251977
Meet enough shitters and you might stop worrying too much about which will be your last.

People are too used to the whole setting being revealed in the first chapter when the whole point is that the MC is sheltered and lives completely disconnected to the reality of witches.

>>283251532
>It's the witches fault for not claiming their position as gods of this world to rule the non-magical population as if they don't matter, while fighting their feuds among themselves. Honzuki was right.
It's pretty obvious the top brass is made up by mages, that's why everyone we saw in this chapter is a slave to the government while witches can easily level a city

>>283215377
Thanks OP

>>283252555
Mom was considered a stronger than usual witch, most witches are probably shitters.

>>283252138
kek

>>283217872
Nice, I also thought this had the similar premise of that series.

>>283249640
Actually, it was a convenient system used by rich women to get rid of the younger competition
Even a lot of rituals have a matriarchal style on it
>Listen hubby that hot farmer girl is too hot, we should sacrifice her to this pokemon statue

>>283215447
It looks good, but the story so far reminds me of Hametsu no Oukoku (The Kingdoms of Ruins) with regards to outlawing and outright killing of mages and also gratuitous amount of violence which is similar to the title I mention before.
If there's another dump of the next chapter I'll read it and see where the author is planning on taking the series.

Weird how no one mentions mangaka's previous work despite it being a successful 40k seller with live-action adaptation. I hated how it ended with a disappointing cop-out after such a promising start

>>283215377
Thank you for posting.

>>283214845
I think that guy is based.

>>283215279
>No panel of her actually being shot
Mom's alive

>>283215520
You want romantasyslop then.

>>283215229
>>283215307
How were they able to open a portal right in front of a moving target already far away from their eyesight?

>>283259069
You can see the officer using binoculars to confirm the hit. Still dumb that she just stopped in front of it to gawk.

>>283259173
The proper response would be to quickly drop a few meters, it can't be easy to aim something like that.
And depending on how the magic works, dropping your passenger could cause you to jump up, also away from the portals.
The plot armor of BigBadGuy surviving the combening is bad enough, but a portal gun perfectly aimed at a flying target?

>>283255202
I forgot about it and only read it to chapter 30 when it was still ongoing.

>>283259173
>>283259552
Probably the easiest tweak would've been for the first gun barrel to poke out and shoot her from a small portal before she knows what she's looking at, and then she pushes Nona off when it expands and pokes out more barrels.

>>283214274 (OP)
>chatgpt generated ENGRISH title
hard pass

>>283251549
Trvth nvke

I can't wait for the next chapter.

>>283251549
Kino

>>283250158
Jump yurifags just let a real Jump+ Yuri series get axed almost immediately

>>283255202
Funniest thing is that the live action that came out 4 YEARS before the manga final chapter and when it was barely halfway though the story had the same ending. I can't say whether she was inspired by the LA and decided to use its ending because she really liked it, or whether she had it all planned out from the beginning and didn't care about spoiling it.

>>283262557
It had been clearly going to be a short series.

>>283262711
I'd be lying if I said I never used this cope

>>283262684
I believe it was planned because it's much easier to write a simple sacrifice than to bother with the topic of society reacting to a positive victim-criminal relationship, his rehabilitation and so on. It's not really bad or nonsensical, I just wanted something more challenging.

>>283215447
Has all the trappings of "I went a bit off the beaten track" shounen trash. Not worth following

>>283243118
Because her magic is fucking comb. Her wand is a comb. Everything she does is fucking comb-related and it was still scaled enough to level a town block.

Expect its obviously much harder to cause mass destruction with a fucking comb, copared to something like fire. Also we are reading fucking SJ manga, don't pretend that witch powers won't get off the rails by 19th chapter (if this won't get axed before).
Even fucking Ruri could not hold back and presented dragons as world-ending calamity for no relevant reason. As if dragons, and dragons with weather control werent enough. Jump editors just can't help themselves with that shit, I don't know why.

>>283263391
To be honest, the whole criminal-victim issue was so downplayed that it hardly feels like it matters. The only real crime the stalker committed was stalking her. Everything else is impossible not to see as something positive or a necessary minimal evil to avoid a greater evil. The real problem is the big age gap. I Guess that's why the kind of affection they felt for each other also remained ambiguous

>>283217060
You joke, but I do get the impression it'll be a story about Nova trying to live a normal life instead of starting a rebellion or anything
>Mom tells Nova that it's good for humans and mages to live together despite the risks
>Nova trusts a human friend with her secret, but this results in the murder of said friend and her own mother getting captured/tortured
>Meets a new girl and will struggle between her own desire to open up versus the risks of trusting a human

>>283265715
The promo material keeps talking about her "cruel destiny", so I doubt it's a story about her living a quiet life after this.

I see big potential.

>>283235660
>about:blank
oh come on.

>>283262557
>this art

Yeah no wonder.

>>283214279
So mages are some different species? Can they crossbreed?

>>283215447
too edgy

>>283252138
I wanna be the stool kicker at the hanging tree....

>>283214698
>>283214728
>i had a second pair

>>283215447
Axe it

>>283262557
Yurifags just latch onto things but never support them. Just look at how Mieruko-chan never got a second season but every thread they are there shitting up discussion.

>>283250887
Wrong, Beast Orange was axed with exactly two volumes.

>>283268399
Then why do Ruri and Girl Meets Rock sell so much?

>>283268488
>yuri
>GMR
the MC literally has a male love interest are you actually stupid

>>283216130
So they changed it from witch to mage

>>283269243
Jump already has Ichi the witch

>>283268399
what about love bullet?, and to be fair saving it wasn't that difficult since it is in a much smaller magazine than jump

>>283215339
Tracing Unordinary.

>>283232061
There's more to world building than infodumping everything right away without nuance.

>>283257824
>wojak
hello newfriend

>>283268488
>why do unrelated manga to yuri sell so much?
A mystery.

>>283268242
In this economy?

>>283215307
>>283215339
Has this mangaka never heard of "show, don't tell"?

>>283269710
To be fair, "show don't tell" for essential plot information is generally not a good idea

>>283269762
I would've rather it left vague to their intentions because it seems they had a pretty good point in hunting witches after the mom destroyed the town. Now they're just blatantly the bad guys.

>>283269815
Any pretense of a "good" point flew out the window when they murdered her friend and her parents in cold blood

>>283269927
You're right, they should've had a proper trial before being publicly executed for harboring a literal walking bomb

>>283214319
>black choker
BUILT 4 BBC

>>283231919
A horrific fate...

>>283216130
>Oneshot has the mother survive, actually have some character development of her own, and stay relevant by the ending.
>In this they're already separated in the first chapter.
Lame, this could've actually stood out if they rolled with a hag mom as the deuteragonist to her MC daughter. But I'm guessing she's just gonna be captured and used for MC torture porn now. Editor meddling is a bitch.

>>283236210
Heart Gear wasn't axed. It ended on the author's own terms while he still had the health for it. I too wished for more, but at that point you don't wanna go down the Miura route of commiting to your manga.

The villains are surprisingly not cartoonishly evil. Like they're stupidly evil, but they act like professional cold evil rather than the laughing sadistic maniacs a lot of these manga tend to have.

>>283262771
Compare it to Beast Orange, or Goze Hotaru, or Ginka&Gluna, which clearly didn't run for as long as the story was planned for.

>>283214274 (OP)
bruh. this is just Kingdom of Ruin with less edge

>>283214274 (OP)
Hey thanks

>>283269365
Wasn't it a much smaller-scale kgb effect? The author even thanked the gaijins for helping to save the manga, but even so, it never ranked a single day in shoseki. Despite all the noise it made in the internet, the ratio of people who actually helped was quite small (although sufficient, that's true), but as you said, it probably worked out because it was a minor magazine.

>>283272770
Kingdom of Ruin's problem is that it's so edgy it becomes a comedy and the villains are just cartoons.

>>283214274 (OP)
I hope there will be a rape scene in the future.

>>283249640
Witch hunts were a way to steal single women lands and fortunes. Nearly all of them were either
>widows
>no close relatives
>rich
>knew too much

>>283254807
>Even a lot of rituals have a matriarchal style on it
Elaborate

>>283238017
>>283235897
It's literally a Prot vs. Catholic doctrinal difference. The Roman and Spanish Inquisitions disregarded accusations of withcraft out of hand and so you never saw them in those countries because of a singular religious authority. Protestant nations had higher incidences of it because there was less centralized doctrinal guidance. It's also why Kramer pushed the Malleus Maleficarum in Germany, the Catholic backwater of the time, while getting laughed at by every other inquisitor in Rome.

>>283276458
Everything bad with the world really comes back to the Anglos.

>>283215059
>>283215088
>Comb magic
I see we're going the Dorohedoro route of magic being horrifying regardless of the theme behind it.

>>283215172
Hating all humans seems like something you'd teach your daughter from a very young age, for her own good.

>>283215447
There's no reason for Mages to have not either wiped out Humans in the past, or to have established dominion over all of them.
This is one of those settings where the premise really doesn't make a lot of sense. The mother was a middle aged housewife with no clear training, but she was able to wreck a city block and slice bullets from the air with silly comb magic.
And mages aren't even that rare. And humans being able to use magical tools is a brand new development.

Like most settings trying to set up this relationship, the logical worldbuilding would be a setting where mages are the ruling caste and humans are the lower caste.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_trials_in_the_early_modern_period
>"In the early modern period, from about 1400 to 1775, about 100,000 people were prosecuted for witchcraft in Europe and British America.[1] "
Let's go check that [1].
>The Oxford Handbook of Witchcraft in Early Modern Europe and Colonial America.
Except that's not the real source. If you go look up that book it just says to go look for the real source elsewhere
>For estimates of the number of executions in the various European states and territories and a calculation of their intensity based on the size of the population see Wolfgang Behringer, Witches and Witch-Hunts: A Global History (Cambridge, 2004), 149–51
Wikipedia does this when it can't back up a claim, it cites someone who cites the bullshit source so you don't see the real name. If it cited Wolfgang Behringer directly you could google it and see for yourself that he is known for biased data and lack of citation. Actually, even wikipedia accuses him of being a bad source of information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Behringer
As a side note, Wolfgang Behringer adamantly believes that climate changed triggered the witch hunts.

>>283276540
And the Germans.

>>283270919
The mom could have been the Kakashi of the series at least.

>>283268488
Neither of those are Yuri.

Even the witch trials of Germany and Britain are still over exaggerated in the amount done. You were still more likely to get called a heretic.

I like how the bad guys are casually chatting about their latest toys despite the horrible tragedy they just caused.
>oh hey are those portal guns
>yeah they cool
>we so cool
What are they so smug about? Their attempt to arrest a mage turned out to be a complete disaster.

>>283268399
There's a lesbian character in Mieruko now though.

This manga seems so ordinary in its faults, I'm not sure why it's attracted so many armchair editors.

>>283269608
The point is still accurate though, even if that anon is delusional. A yuri manga with a music theme sold almost as much as Bocchi the Rock (which I wouldn't call yuri), even without an anime.

>>283277931
it was a good question from the random soldier, though.

>>283278005
I really think they should have kept the milf in the party a bit longer.

I wonder if Nona has a restriction to her magic that prevents her from using it directly on living things, similar to how the portals don't work on living matter. She got shot in the arm but we don't see her heal it with sewing while on the broom. Or maybe she can heal other people's injuries with sewing but she's like Josuke and can't heal herself?

>>283215377
>MC will have to learn to love and trust again while grieving and talking action against the society
I hope this is the direction. I don't want another action-focused manga where emotion development get threw into the corner

>>283214279
wanna meet that mum

>>283214801
actual revolver. probably because its a 3d model but,

>>283216130
100% less generic than this chapter

>>283252138
what on earth is that image in the book supposed to be

>>283279771
It's a chad, don't you recognize the triangle yellow hair?

>>283279542
There's not so many mangaka/assistants/artists that can draw good-looking firearms freehandly without 3D model.
Those who can are always gun nerds.

>>283278564
Agreed, but that setup also leaves me constantly scared of the story hurting her again, which doesn't sound so fun to read. Reminds me too much of how evil's winning in real life right now too.

>>283278564
I could go for a modern edgy manga that goes for the carnage and mayhem rather than emotional torture porn for once.
Emotional development is fine, as long as it's secondary.

>>283214274 (OP)
Very unoriginal premise. I will still read it because the art looks good and then complain about how it didn't meet my expectations later.

>>283214905
They deserved it

>>283214905
Hell, I didn't expect this, it's cruel.