Thread 283285783

Why is Homura so weak? How can somebody with time stop and time travel ability lose every fight?

>>283285783 (OP)
Pre-teen girl autists aren't exactly known for their competency.
>10 years doing this shit and STILL loses to Mami

Why doesn't she just ask Kyouko to beat Mami for her?

>>283285783 (OP)
Because she has the worst weapon of the original group, and her magic is pure utility on its own. She can't actually damage anything without having to rely on real world weapons, which is a massive debuff when your opponent can just conjure up infinite rifles.

She ran at top speed, exhausting every ounce of her strength, barely catching up to the minivan, which was traveling under 100 kilometers per hour.
She used all her strength to hit the oil drum with a golf club, barely denting the metal.
Her head would be pierced by a 9mm pistol bullet.
Her legs would be crushed by the wreckage of a building.

Her time-stopping ability stemmed from the quicksand within her shield. The amount of quicksand was fixed, and each time she reversed time, a portion of it was consumed. Each time she used her time-stopping ability, the amount of quicksand rapidly depleted. Once all the quicksand had been drained, she could no longer use the time-stopping ability. In other words, her time-stopping ability had a limit on how many times she could use it.

>>283286323
>Her time-stopping ability stemmed from the quicksand within her shield.
Idk where you got that from. In the show its explained how magic in MM works. You either run out by using too much without a grief seed, or falling into despair. This almost happens to homura at the end of the show, but madoka saves her dumb ass.

>>283285783 (OP)
This is such a good question. Homura should be invincible off her time stop alone. What gives?

>>283287104
She kicks sayaka and kyokos asses pretty easily. Mami for whatever reason is her hard counter.

>>283285783 (OP)
Because she is only repeating the same scenario hundreds of times and learns the cheat codes JUST for that. She isn't actually getting experience and each time there's a slight variation in a loop she crashes down.

>>283287233
This is a good point, she definitely seems to break down as soon as things change. In the movie she struggles to beat basically anybody because its so different.

>>283287378
Yeah showing how fallible Homura is without her time looping was absolutely the intent of that part of Rebellion.

Time stop is such a broken power that writers always feel the need to nerf it in some way to avoid the character being undefeatable.

>>283286323
Urobuchi said her shield has one month worth of sand, and she can only stop time within this month. Once the month ends, she can only go back in time. Her sand is unlimited until the day Walpurgisnacht arrives in Mitakihara

>>283287173
>Mami for whatever reason is her hard counter
Rebellion shows you how, if Homura is touching a ribbon Mami won’t be affected by her time stop. Kyouko should also potentially counter her due to her speed, range and hyper offensive/physical fighting style. Depends on how far away they are from each other, but Kyouko can also trap her with her magic wall things to prevent her from getting too far away.
Sayaka probably jobs but might be able to kinda shrug off the damage after the time stop since Homura can’t stop time for too long otherwise her soul gem will darken, and Sayaka is obviously very tanky.
Madoka would probably job to Homu the hardest, not sure what she can do unless she’s already close to Madokami’s karmic burden.

>>283285783 (OP)
In the scene-0 side story, which people still argue if it's canon or not for various reasons, homura is seen failing and getting her shit kicked in several times in various timelines, learning from it, and planning her next time loops. She writes actual flowcharts on how the timelines behave with each action taken and memorizes them carefully as she can't bring anything with her when she loops.
I still haven't finished reading scene-0, as i'm reading it in the magia exedra gacha game and i'm waiting for updates. While I really like scene-0 as a whole, one thing that irks me about it is that it downplays homura's struggles by adding mabayu. Mabayu as a character is very interesting, but she's also severely OP magic-wise, being able to see the future, turn invisible and edit people's memories. She is also immune to homu's timestops and timelooping, and she assists homu in several ways, one of them by predicting the future of witch battles and commanding homu how to attack optimally.

>>283288118
That’s because the sand running through the sand timer in her shield represents the flow of time. By turning her shield sideways, the sand stops running, thus time stops. By turning it upside down, the sand timer is reversed, also reversing the flow of time.

>>283285783 (OP)
What every fight? She can kill any witch except for Walpurgisnacht who can only be defeated by Madoka with insane karma. Even as Moemura she killed Oktavia easily by stopping time and throwing bombs at her. Her fight with Mami was very even in terms of gun skill, she ended up losing because Mami has other magical powers such as her ribbons, while Homura only has her guns and time stop, the latter was nullified during the fight because Mami tied a ribbon around her leg.
>>283287233
This too. Homura is a big fish in a small pond. Scene 0 might not be canon but it has a scene where Kyouko asks Homura why she's so bad at punching. Homura never bothered with that because she relies on her tricks way too much.

>>283288205
Mabayu does feel kinda op. Part of it eventually gets explained though.
Honestly Scene 0 is underrated/overhated. It’s a much better story than most side content especially the gacha stuff. I’d unironically get hyped if it got an anime adaptation.

>>283285783 (OP)
Homura is by no means weak. She carries around military grade weaponry and fires them with ease. There's a Mugi image showing the weight of a couple of missile launchers that can be used for Homura. How she looses with timestop is actual bullshit though.

>>283288295
>Honestly Scene 0 is underrated/overhated
I personally haven't seen much hate towards it personally, besides the criticism I mentioned about it downplaying homura's efforts
>It’s a much better story than most side content especially the gacha stuff.
Yes, but maybe they could add a Mitama case files part 7 event instead of continuing the scene 0 story, i'm sure that's the best decision. For me magia records is still fun but it's a big downgrade compared to all other stories.
>I’d unironically get hyped if it got an anime adaptation.
Just imagine a 24 or 36 episode anime adaptation of Scene 0 with 1st persona narration by Mabayu, just like Kyon does in the Haruhi Suzumiya anime. It'd be so fucking good.
But I think i'd like an Oriko Magica anime even more. I like the story itself, i think the ending is fantastic and would be kino with good fight animations and choreographies as the rebellion movie had, and they could have latria's theme as a letimotif during the entire anime just as rebellion had mada dame yo. They do this in the gacha game, with 3 different floor themes and then a final theme. The music ramps up in intensity the closer you get to the climax. You can find them badly stitched here: https://youtu.be/hJsJokhxno0 - just skip the minion/familiar fight theme.

>>283286323
>>283288205
Hahaha, how funny would be that she can stop time but not for all the universe, souls have their own space? That's why you cold freeze souls with curses to make them not a threat to predictions.

Actually, now that I think about it. Mugi is as strong as a magical girl.

>>283288869
Oriko’s story is good too yeah. I just wish with all the Madoka side content that exists we got some of it adapted into anime spinoffs instead of getting three fucking seasons of gacha slop

>>283287173
Homura never beat Kyouko.

No magical girl is weak.

>>283289025
>just wish with all the Madoka side content that exists we got some of it adapted into anime spinoffs
In exedra they added CD dramas, Scene 0, Oriko, Wraith Arc. And in a promo film of exedra Tart, Kazumi and Suzune appeared. So i guess they still consider spinoffs with serious plot somewhat important and are aware of them. But i don't think they will be adapted.
Not all are a the same level. The spinoffs I'd like more adapted to anime would be CD drama 1 and 3, Oriko Magica and Wraith Arc only if we still see something of that spinoff in Kaiten. Very few people talk about Suzune or Kazumi and they are boring imo. Not worth to have an adaptation. TDS is loved but for me it was good due to the first part, plot of CD drama 3. Besides that, is another branch.

>>283288166
>Kyouko should also potentially counter her due to her speed, range and hyper offensive/physical fighting style.
Should not any decent melee meguca be able to counter Homura? At least we see in Rebellion that Sayaka was able to stop Homura for a little time too. Not canon but in Homura's revenge it was needed Kyouko and Sayaka to catch Homura, and that after knowing the the time control power of Homura.

>>283292958
A bit more than decent since if she disengages she can stop time again. Fast/strong and able to get your hands on her (like Kyouko's whip spear) is the kind of stuff you need. Sayaka had the right idea but messed up midway since Homura could kick her away.

>>283293120
>Sayaka had the right idea but messed up midway since Homura could kick her away.
I don't think Sayaka was trying to be aggressive towards Homura. Maybe if it was her enemy she would have done something different instead of talking to Homura after stopping her powers.

>>283292198
I think an anime original prequel would be better than a TDS adaptation. TDS went out of its way to add Sayaka, Madoka and Homura literally only so that it would sell more. Making it an alternate timeline over just a prequel as a result of this, which kind of ruined it.
I’m pretty sure Kyouko and Mami are popular enough to make a spinoff successful now, not to mention how popular Madoka as an ip is in itself.

>>283292071
Which is why all of them are tops

>>283285783 (OP)
That's forbidden love.

>>283285893
Kyouko is too nice for that.

>>283285893
Kyouko would lose.

>>283296517
... the lesbian contest.

>>283296517
Unlikely desu. Especially if they’re in character so Kyouko is filled up on grief seeds while Mami only has the necessary.

Kyouko doing normal things.

>>283285783 (OP)
>Why is Homura so weak? How can somebody with time stop and time travel ability lose every fight?
In bed?

Well, thread’s over. It lasted 7 hours this time, not bad.

>>283298070
Alot faster than a stealth thread earlier.

>>283297774
Cute!

>>283297774
Adorable

>>283285783 (OP)
It’s pretty typical that those with niche OP abilities slack off in actual combat. Time stop is more about support and evasion, in the end she still has to rely on guns for damage which is a pretty bad weapon up against eldritch monsters and magical girls. Not even magical guns like Mami has, just normalfag guns she stole from gangsters.

>>283285783 (OP)
Homura is strong

>Spend almost half of your lifetime dedicated to a single person
>They essentially kill themselves to save people that have been dead for thousands of years
>They are also suffering while doing this
>Now the only other person who remembers your best friend is her 3 year old brother
I really don't understand how people were surprised by Homura's actions during Rebellion. There was no fucking way Homura would have taken Madoka leaving her well in the long run. Everything she did in Rebellion makes perfect sense for who she is

>2 threads up
>Both are dead

>>283303180
It's hard dividing attention when there's 6 people at best and 1 is asleep at this time.

>>283303552
True. I just wish that these threads could be active without devolving into people arguing

>>283297997
She lost her heart to me

>>283285783 (OP)
Time stop is a rather shitty power if you need to unfreeze time to attack someone who's faster, stronger and has better defenses.

>>283303789
That doesn't seem very hard to be fair. If it wasn't for Madoka living rent free in her head then all you would need to do is just be nice to her for awhile and she'd probably suck you off if you asked her to do it.

>>283302295
>Now the only other person who remembers your best friend is her 3 year old brother
He doesn’t even really remember her. She’s just an imaginary friend he will grow to believe never existed.