Thread 283478101

Chapter LXXII

>>283478101 (OP)
>they didnt have clothes for the big lady so shes still naked

KILL THIS EVIL WOMAN NOW!

>>283478176
EVIL FUCKING WOMEN

>>283478274
EVIL WOMEN
EROTIC

where is anon that was coping about helem not being inherent evil

>>283478158
There were clothes for everyone (otherwise the jobber squad would be naked too). Helem simply made her stay naked for her own enjoyment.

Evil Woman Namek starts now

>>283478230
finally being actual evil, shame it won't work out at all since she just got a panel showing her plan that will inevitably not happen as shown.

>Helem gave Altus morality on purpose
she might actually be dumber than Elstri

test

We're dead boys.

>>283478230
>Zira was used to witness arkos cruelty and sadism, but it was nothing compared to helem's malice and pettiness

>>283478330
>clothes bloody or missing
thats from their old corpses

>>283478434
MY PRINCE

>>283478434
I applaud author for this.

>>283478434
MY HEROOOO

>>283478330
Mostly because she didn't expect for Angvall to literally fall on her lap

>>283478306
>>283478434
>not so fast evil bitches

>>283478148
>>283478176
>>283478205
These pages are really unnecessary

>>283478495
>it was like he was looking at walking garbage

>>283478467
Looking at her face, it wasn't calculated, huh?

>>283478495
Helem, you may be evil... and sex incarnate... but I dont think antagonizing the person who can explode you is a good idea.

>>283478523
she is retarded obviously it wasn't calculated, enitehr Arkos coming from oblivion which will likely not be under her control

>>283478532
>there is absolutely no way this could ever backfire

>>283478495
Not gonna lie, Helem basically kicking a puppy is a boring kind of evil.

>>283478434
>>283478495
>>283478532
I am now invested in the psycho possessed Golem.

>>283478538
helem is mid at best anon

>>283478523
Elstri's retardedness must be contagious

The whole chapter is going to be this one wagon scene, isn't it?

>>283478434
>>283478467
>>283478495
Altus got redeemed a little here. Evil women suck.

>>283478504
I don't know, the nature of how she's a mole was a bit ambiguous, it could have used some spelling out for the cheap seats

>>283478434
>my feet hurt
>I wanna go home
>I hate it here
>these women are insane and disgusting
fucking based.

>>283478584
Dont lie to me anon, look at that cleavage.

>>283478594
This is known.

decent ch, but not much happened

>>283478590
made to be molested by the meido

>>283478274
Okay, rein it in a little

>>283478666
the clevage might be good satan but my dick refuses the rest

>Altus: I HATE Evil Women.
>The King: NO SON OF MINE WOULD SAY SUCH A THING.

>evil woman literally chose to make cutecrima retarded
lol

Atlas the punching bag
Atlas the Ryona golem

>>283478713
Zira is not an evil woman, Arkos was a real nigga and so is Altus

>>283478617
TITI STRONK

>>283478666
fuck off back to hell and take your whore with you, satan

>>283478434
I KNEEL

>>283478617
>the hydromancer FEARS the housewife

Arkos won't be happy to be bossed around by hellen for long, he hates Julian, but he probably hates being stepped on more.

>>283478176
Do you think it's Helem who's making Lacrima wear that bizarre dress? Subliminal messaging

>>283478755
>Arkos was a real nigga

>>283478802

End of chappy. Break next week, as expected.

>>283478832
No images during a dump nigger

>>283478434
So Altus is just literally us.

Kenturia is #1 on Jump+ this week.

>>283478845
I repent.

>>283478839
Sin count: 1

>>283478434
I kind of agreed with anon bitching about Arkos coming back as Altus, but I think author intends to make him an actual character, which validates it in my eyes. This I consider a affirmation of my hopes

>>283478870
it's usually always second to spy x family, which is on break this week

>>283478230
>>283478274
What a fucking whore I swear

>>283478900
I like Altus but the concept was kinda muddled by forcing the Arkos inner demon bullshit

>>283478532
"Pay no attention to Altus, we purposely gave him morality... As a joke."

>>283478839
Helem is so dead isnt she.
Arkos is gonna come back and blow her ass up.

Ok I need to apologize to the author as I did not expect him to go this route with Altus. Pretty nice actually.

>>283478698
She's for pump and dump(ing her corpse into a cesspit).

>>283478652
We finally got a glimpse of what looks like a writing system in the setting. What's that? Szucwiya?

>>283478940
YOU KNOW THE RULES.

>>283478274
100% she was betrayed by family or a lover

>>283478740
Helem's so evil, covering Elstri with her speech bubble...

>>283478434
>>283478467
HOLY BASED

>>283478839
>the most effective spies...
>...are those unaware they're spies at all

>>283478532
>I gave a Atlus a good boy personality because I knew it would bother Arkos who loves being evil
>don't even think about how this could backfire
When you are so evil that it loops back around to being retarded...But ignorance is said to be the root of all evil so I guess it checks out.

>>283478839
>break week
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>283478894
I think it counts as Helem's. Imagine how she'd burn. She's the kind of woman they invented burning at stakes for.

>>283478960
Fine

>>283478900
Yeah, this is a good dynamic. He just needs to gain some kind of agency down the line so it doesn't get repetitive.

>>283478928
I agree, but I think it's at least salvageable to a degree. Depends on how it develops.

>>283478495
in this manga the only good moms are the dead moms

>>283478434
>>283478839
Very promising development.

>>283478274
I don't care what is her backstory. Gut the slut.

>>283478274
Either she lost her family or she is the king's bastard and she is mad that daddy doesn't acknowledge her existence

>>283478972
I feel like her motivation is going to be paper thin given how sensitive she really is and the obvious bitterness on her face, guaranteed she'll still look like a crazy fuck after we get the sob story.

>>283478434
>I thought evil women was like an euphemism for rough femdom or something, not that you ate children alive as an offering to Satan

Altus is muh nigga

>>283478870
whats the manga in third place

>>283478928
>>283479057
I think arkos is just author way of having a way for him to go against helem even if "altus" is her puppet

>>283478274
what made her so evil?

>>283479277
No evil woman lover king to dick her down

>>283478434
Someone had to say it

>>283479277
That's what King offered when he got his blessing. He'd gain the strength to become a great king but all his offspring (and thus all his successors) would be horribly evil.
I want to see him talk to Altus.

>>283478972
Agreed, honestly a very disappointing development, i hoped she'd have some nuance but it seems she's just a "bad thing happened so now im pure edgy evil" kind of villain

>>283478802
The king doesn't really care anymore after being alive for so long does he? This goes beyond thinking with your dick. All the women from the palace have mental issues. Elstri is retarded. The Queen is a BPD bitch. Helem is a sadistic murderer, has necrophilic tendencies, creates and plays with life while fully enjoying herself. On top of that she's a sexual predator and lesbian!

>>283478972
Her lover was male and that's why she only fucks women now

>>283479351
let's not jump the shark

>>283479407
I said it here (>>283479350) as a half joke, but I really wouldn't be surprise if that was somehow tied to King's blood.

>>283479407
>and lesbian
Oh, the humanity. Not a lesbian!

>>283478972
im guessing that's they shot her in the face, which is how she got that black mark on her forehead that has the same shading as Altus' neck scar

>>283478274
she 100% has daddy issues

>>283479445
Can you see this going a different way?

>there are chances that Altus will defect to team Titi now as long as he somehow escapes Helem's orders
fucking kek

>>283479350
Solution: kill all the evil offspring and force Helem to resurrect them as morally good versions of them.
There's the gifted that turned Orthos into a npc, we can do that to Helem, we have the technology.
What better punishment than to have her spawn good people for the rest of her life?

>>283479501
She shares the same eyes, haicut and linking for evil women with the king

>>283478802
How many fucking people going around are actually puppets

>>283478495
you'd think someone who is constantly talking smack wouldn't have such a fragile ego

>>283478839
>>283478802
>>283478766
Until this chapter I believed there was a strong chance Helem could be redeemed and would have a happy ending. Now I'm convinced she's getting a bad ending but I hope not

>>283479047
>>283479041
kek, kung pow bros

>>283478766
the "tee-hee let's kill everyone for shits and giggles" thing is getting old

>>283479574
Maybe not, I think he'll find some solace on zira who'll be the only one who treats him with human decency and once helem decides to kill her (or force him to kill her) to teach him a lesson he'll finally snap and make her choke on her literal blood

>>283478900
I was immediately cool with Altus when I realized he is essentially the secondary rival shounen protagonist complete with his own evil side and everything.

>>283479702
This is literally the first time she's killed anyone in 72 chapters, it's a meaningful moment because for once it actually happened

>>283478351
>Go nuts deep
>Just keep saying five minutes

>>283479625
I guess Helem's trumpcard is that half the kingdom are her mud dolls already

>>283479745
being so incompetent it took her 20 tries to finally do it doesn't make it meaningful

>>283479690
>Until this chapter I believed there was a strong chance Helem could be redeemed

Helem needs no family/lover issue,abuse,betrayal
She is pure evil

>>283479574
Altus is too broken right now to be a good guy

>>283479790
but she's hot

>>283478434
>>283478467
Absolutely based.

TOTAL
DYKE
DEATH

>>283479720
>kills Zira
>turns her into evil Z(omb)ira
kek

>>283479790
This is the face of a good girl

>>283479745
It would be meaningful if she killed a named character instead of a literal nameless hobo

>>283478434
Based and kneeling, I love this author

>>283479820
No it wouldn't, you can justify killing any of the current "antagonists" because they're literally fighting against the end of the world, it's not an evil action. Killing a homeless begger who posed no threat is an evil action, it's significant and the first actually evil thing she's done and even Elstri is shocked

>>283479801
>>283479574
He's kinda going the Orthos route now.
He has the power and doesn't want to kill. But this time it isn't his choice to be turned into NPC, he actually is forced by Helem and Arkos (when he resurfaces to plow Zira 30s each day)

>>283479675
With arrogant people It always boils down with insecurity issues
>>283479426
Just imagine if scorpion girl got caught as well

>>283479852
>the first actually evil thing she's done
Anon...

>>283479732
Riku! Welcome back!

>>283479873
What else has she done?

You just know Altus is going to be voiced by Shigaraki's VA.

>>283478434
My prince, I. . .
I kneel

>>283479852
>the first actually evil thing she's done
are we talking about the character who defiles and cannibalizes corpses in order to trap people's eternal souls in mud dolls that override their original personalities and turn them into slaves
or is there another helem I'm not aware of

>>283478434
>alive for a week
>already wise to evil women

>>283478495
Author has mommy issues, i see.

>>283479956
None of that is evil and she's not even aware of the soul aspect, Arkos is going to be a surprise to her and probably her undoing.

>>283479690
I don't know at this point, but I hope her bad end happens either way. The way to Hell is full of good intentions.

>>283479956
She has big titties so it doesn't count

As much as I like Lacrima I hope the author won't make her wholesomely break from Helem's chains and let travel with the group.

>>283479690
>I believed there was a strong chance Helem could be redeemed and would have a happy ending

>>283479956
>in order to trap people's eternal souls in mud dolls
that you have to write fanfiction should be proof enough
the only time we're shown anything like that is with Arkos, and Helem was shown to know nothing about it

>>283480026
> Lakrima learns she's a puppet
> takes it to mean Helem is her mother because she is dumb
> follows the Elstri party so they lose the gps and because she's a dumb mud with mommy issues

>>283479956
but what if necromancy is not illegal in that world?

Imagine a conversation between Altus and Amber

>>283478740
That's a good face

>>283478495
>>283478839
Where does this maid bitch get off acting all caring of Altus as if she wasn't also one of the evil bitches he called out? She had absolutely zero issue with Arkos being a mass murdering psychopath back in the day, but now she acts all bothered because the person calling them for what they are happens to have his beloved's face.

I can understand her sticking to him like glue on the off chance Arkos resurfaces for a bit, that tracks, but acting all shaken when she's been all aboard this moronic revenge quest from the start is just fucked. At least Helem is unapologetically evil and Elstri too braindead to understand morality.

>>283478652
Amber is cute!

Maid looks like she wants that mud dick

>>283478652
do we know where they are going? Julian and the others are going to the neighbohoring kingdom, are they following?

>>283479956
Listen,
>eats eyeball
evil is just
>raises the dead
a matter of perspective.
>enslaves your friend
From my point of view
>enjoys killing
I'm the victim here
>treats people like tools
and everyone else is evil.
>delights in suffering
If you think about it,
>has zero regard for human life
nothing is black or white, you know.
>excitedly plans how to inflict the most despair
It's just shades of gray.

...Altus, blow that guy up, it'll be funny

>>283480328
TAHITI

>>283479956
I can fix her.

>>283480253
>Are you guys gonna participate in this year's NNN?

>>283480341
>eats eyeball
not evil
>raises the dead
not evil
>enslaves your friend
she did it in this chapter for the first time
> treats people like tools
words
> delights in suffering
words
> excitedly plans how to inflict the most despair
words

up until now, she basically just said mean things to people while making evil faces, she hadnt actually done anything properly evil

I feel like Helem is getting set up for a fate worth than death. It feels like the entire Queen and Lacrima thing was the Queen gauging what Helem's power could do.

I am uninterested in this chapter. I could see the Atlus stuff coming and I do not care. It's a call-back to the first chapter where Julian is a slave and now Atlus/ Arkos is a slave. The only reveal is that Helem can apprently just straight up Pokemon command them.

I'm really waiting for a character who's gift takes admin control of the dolls from Helem.

>>283480072
If he said that in front of the king, millions would die

>>283480341
What part of big honking titties don't you get?

>>283480667
>I feel like Helem is getting set up for a fate worth than death
If I'm reading the manga hoping she gets a happy ending am I going to be disappointed?

>>283479675
I think it's more like she wasn't really ready for such behaviour, Helen was just telling how in control of the situation she was and Altus comes and says "nuh uh".

>>283478434
Goddamn what a roast

>>283479675
he hit her where it hurts.

>>283480144
It kinda made me laugh with how he resembles Palpatine, lmao

Helem has a fragile ego and i want to break it more

>>283480752
The most obvious development is that she gets killed with the power of love/family when any of the puppets she made turns on her.
The closest thing to a happy ending her character could realistically get is that something changes her position and she sacrifices herself for love/family but I really doubt it, the manga spent too much time showing her as pure evil.

>>283480752
I mean if you are hoping she gets deep dicked by Julian, joins his harem, and becomes a good women that ain't happening. It feels like the entire exchange with the Queen was Helem complettely misreading her and the Queen pulling information on how the mud clones work.

I'm honestly expecting the hunt for Diana to be a wild goose chase with the Queen being behind the Kings problems and when Elstri returns we'll get the King dead in the throne room. Diana's war that Elstri forsaw is something that Elstri will end up supporting.

>>283480806
She loves to look down on others but not other people (rightfully) looking down on her

>>283480895
>I mean if you are hoping she gets
to stay by Elstris side after they save the world

Spent too much time on this, it turned out like garbage and it's not even relevant to the chapter in any way

>>283478538
She becomes stupider every chapter, just like Elstri. At this rate she's gonna cross the line where she's too retarded for me to be attracted to her. Author needs to gradually make her tits bigger to balance it out.

>>283480997
I smiled, I praise your addition to my Helem collection

>>283480997
I like it

>>283480934
nah, the only yuri end she could possibly get is the one where she gets squashed and Elstri is sad about it

'Crima in the chappy

>>283480839
Her stuff contradicts what we know about blessings. IIRC the one who gave Julian her blessing said tht pure love is a requirement. I'm wondering if Helem inherited hers or actually got hers.

>>283480997
40 thousands keks

>>283478176
smolcrima

>>283480934
they both deserve bad ending for being lesbos

>>283478205
aieee evil woman

>>283478434
Little does he know it's just a woman thing.

>>283480997
lmao, much better than what I did last chapter
>>283312941

>>283480072
>Helem is disappointed at her son

>>283478230
>they don't know

>>283478434
my man

>>283481096
Perfect onahole shaped Lacrima
She's extra-stretchy due to the water body~

>>283481065
pic related best mud

>>283478306
>everyone thinks Helem is too evil

>>283478434
Evil womenbros, how do we respond?

>>283478532
Couldn't Arkos hypothetically just take over for a moment and turn her into a red mist?

>>283478434
>be zombie
>have more of a heart than the evil woman
Bravo and based

>>283478434
Altus is a real one.

>>283481282
We don't know that Arkos would be able to disobey either but I wouldn't be shocked if that's how it goes down in the end

>>283479426
>Her lover was male and that's why she only fucks women now
Or her lover was a female who dumped her instantly for a guy.
Then she killed both and made puppets out of them.

>>283478467
>evil women suck
He said it! He said the thing!

>>283481340
he could always kill her before she has time to give an order

>>283478495
Zira will protect her man

>>283479226
>Daddy issues made her evil
Damn she needs dick correction while calling me daddy.

>>283478434
Lmao

>>283481340
My guess is that he'll be the one willing to work with Helem to contrast with Altus.
Maybe there is a way to fully revive him, Helem said she doesn't really know the full extent of her powers, and that would gain her favor with the Queen, which is something she seems to be interested in having.

>>283478176
>>283478205
Werent Helem and Elstri surprised that Lakrima had switched sides when they met on the wall?
Im guessing here she just means that she is the one who created her.
>>283481282
Arkos being the one to kill her would be the worst, everyone in the protagonist's party (and even Altus) has a direct thematic conflict with her.
And we still dont know for sure what happens to the puppets when she dies.

>>283478532
so evil

>>283478590
Altus is a good boy.

>>283481439
>Arkos being the one to kill her would be the worst
Arkos could give Helem the death she deserves.

>>283478617
Titi bros, we inspire

>>283478434
How do you respond to this without sounding mad?

>>283481003
...!

>>283478652
Big woman!

Question remains is if Helen dies then all her puppets die too or not.
If not then the whole story is bullshit, but I expect that angle to happen sadly, Helen gonna be betrayed by her puppet and that some who have strong souls can survive that and be their own people again as new beings.

>>283481282
Depends if the puppets can survive the death of their creator.

>>283478680
There's no way he'd recognize Altus tho

>>283478711
No no sir, you should be saying that to that busty lady over there

>>283481526
>Yes.

>>283480144
don't look at those necks tho

>>283479702
>he doesn't understand the concept of evil women

>>283481491
Sure but i hope the author is good enough to give villains their thematic comeuppance instead of just using them for fanservice gore porn.
Besides it's not like she was ever shown to have personal combat abilities, im sure any of the characters that are pro family and love could turn her into a dropped hamburger.
>>283481649
It's possible Arkos killed his son when he was younger and looked sort of like Altus does.

Altus keeps getting younger each chapter. Soon he'll be a shota.
It would be funny if this was being done in purpose, with Helem's powers having the downside of making the puppets age in reverse, becoming increasingly younger until they turn into babies and then mud as a sort of externalized trauma for losing her child or something.

>>283478802
>inb4 that's Margrave

>>283481772
>im sure any of the characters that are pro family and love could turn her into a dropped hamburger.
Actually I was thinking about Arkos controlling the water inside the body of her male mud dolls to make them gangrape her to death.
The good guys wouldn't have the stomach to do something like that.
It's the perfect ending for a lesbian necromancer.

>>283478240
No.

kinda wish we had gotten more from Amber, next chapter is probably going back to the protagonists too

>>283478434
Atlus is wise behind his years. Which is ironic because he's only a week old.

>>283481996
wasnt he made around 5 years ago? did Helem chew on a head that had been decaying for 5 years?

>>283478434
MY FUCKING KNEES

>>283481945
I prefer the mystery.
What Helem said about personalities of the golems also applies to her, so we don't really know what kind of person she'll be.

>>283478467
>>283478495
>Helem reacts like this to just a single slight
It's official, she would hate being raped herself which in turn only makes the correction session even better.

Paladinbros we ARE gonna be feasting with this one.

Atlus cute

>>283482029
>wasnt he made around 5 years ago?
I don't know why I think he's much younger but you'd be right.

>>283482125
I wonder if the family thing is what bothered her.

>>283481356
wouldn't make as much sense for her to hate families in that case

these villains are all so retarded i wonder if it's becase the incest

>>283482299
Knowing the current operation was meant to fail intentionally to create an army of loyal puppets changes how I view the past arc. It solidifies that Helem is the one really looking at the long game and Diana is probably just a justification to push a separate and much more terrifying agenda.

Um... what happened to the mystery niggas?

>>283478274
Common lesbian behavior

>>283482348
that was Elstri's plan actually, Helem is so retarded she would make the murder puppet of the strongest gifted she ever got her hands on a morally good person and is now basically intentionally disgusting all of her allies

>>283482384
...

>>283482384
they're both naked under their Orthos cosplay, and im sure it's very hot under all that armor

>>283482384
Speedreader kun...

>>283478802
What did the beggar expect to happen? Presumably, he was aware of what Arkos was capable of.

>>283482524
?

>Chapter completely exposes every single fake evil woman enjoyer
I knew there was too many in here with great taste for it to be true.

>>283478495
I hate her but god, her tits are so big. I want to break and dominate her.

>>283479536
yes

>>283482555
He was a husk of a man that spent over half a decade mindbroken.
I doubt he was thinking all that much.

>>283478274
I can fix her

>>283482728
The chapter started strong until she showed weakness from Atlus' remark. She's just a petty hypocrite, I sleep.

>>283478766
God she's so hot when she's indifferent to human suffering.

>>283479690
My liege...

>>283482753
Care to elaborate?

>>283482761
That seems like an awfully presumptuous claim to make about a character that existed for 6 pages.

>>283479956
Yea okay, but have you considered that i would like to be Helem's sextoy mud puppet hu?

>>283478230
This is why Lacrima being a zombie is an asspull. Why didn't she have Lacrima kill her during the battle? There must have been a bajillion chances to do it

>>283479702
this wasnt done for shits and giggles, this was done because the guy was causing a ruckus and they didnt want their caravan of mindless looking zombies, big woman, obviously regal maid and dude with a skull mask to be noticed

>>283482839
The hypocrisy only make it hotter tho?
You can't say you were really ever into Evil Women if you can't even stomach that.

>>283482935
>clearly suffering from immense sorrow due to his dead relative
>said relative was obviously murdered by Arkos
>who died years ago
His reaction gives it away, he became completely broken over it for years, so much that he impotently lashed out against one of the most OP characters in the setting as soon as he saw him.

>>283478434
>>283478467
Get fucked necrobitch even your thralls hate you

>>283479675
Those are the people with the MOST fragile egos. Absolute offence zero defense

>>283482964
The goal wasn't to actually kill Diane just yet. It was farming gifted for some other purpose. Lacrima getting close to Diane just means they can trigger their next plan at any moment they see fit.

>>283483095
Potentially but not when she cracks from a simple insult. Evil women have to be tougher than that to be hot.

>>283479690
Bro, there's only one way to redeem a bitch this vile.

>>283482728
They started to expose themselves after the lacrima reveal

>>283479702
>the "tee-hee let's kill everyone for shits and giggles" thing is getting old
First time huh?

>>283483243
I love Elstri grinning here with Helem about how evil they are together and then Helem keeps going in the following chapters and now Elstri is looking all "oh no, I married the wrong girl."

>>283483255
Again, you just prove that supposed evil women 'enjoyers' are just into femdom

>>283483350
Elstri is interested in doing evil only to prevent the apocalypse, Helem just wants to cause suffering and watch people's horrified expression.

>>283483405
You say that as if there's no overlap.

>>283483350
>and now Elstri is looking all "oh no, I married the wrong girl."
She married a chaotic evil bitch. Elstri is probably Lawful Evil so she's rightfully realizing she's going to have to wrangle Helem until she probably plans to kill her as well.

>>283478434
me living with my fujo gooner little sister, my wife who wants a fat baby and my wife's sister who is a hardcore feminist.

>>283483243
>Diane
she's not a granny

>>283478802
Haha, Elstri still thinks she's in charge, that's hilarious.

>>283483439
That's like saying liking muscular women equates to wanting to get stepped on instead of thinking about how awesome your children are gonna be.

I fucking hate that shit, i'm not the same as you sissies, i actually work out.

No seriously, what happened to the mystery niggas??

>>283483255
It makes sense though.
Her dolls are all yes-men so she isn't used to being opposed like that.

>>283478455
Zira was never comfortable with Arkos's brutality/killing either, but she just accepted him because he was actually decent to her and he did save her life so she felt she owed him anyways. Even now she's just getting strung along by Elstri because she has no other job. I don't think Zira particularly cares about revenge.

>>283478532
>Gave him a nice personality
But why? Why would you do that? Why would you do any of that?

Seriously, that's beyond retarded. Is she huffing paint or something?

>>283480149
>she's been all aboard this moronic revenge quest from the start
I recall her being pretty unconvinced it was a good idea and basically just going along with it because of Elstri's authority.

>>283483528
No? That's such an awkward comparison I don't even know where to begin.
>>283483542
I still like her as a character, honestly more now. This is purely about attractiveness.

>>283478274
Carebear villain dialogue

>>283478617
I hope he starts to read books about how to imprengate good girls and court them.

>>283483439
The problem is people who claim themselves to love evil woman characters only to fold like bitches when said woman is properly characterized as being evil rather than just some run of the mill sadistic mommy dommy fetish>>283479250

>>283483243
>The goal wasn't to actually kill Diane just yet.
No, it was definitely the goal, they're just too retarded to succeed and convinced themselves they didn't fail.

>>283478274
YJN this bitches parents sold her into prostitution or some shit and thats why she thinks family and love is "fake" and "hollow"

>>283483617
I can't speak for anyone else but the stuff with Lacrima and Angvall is hot. If people are getting turned off by that, I see your point.

>>283481996
That's not how irony works.

>>283483754
she doesnt even fuck the puppets

>>283483621
>it was definitely the goal
Seems more a side objective. If they kill her then good, but if they fail they still got a bunch of fodder for later. Even earlier conversations hinted that they only really wanted to purge the foreign gifted.

>>283483783
yet
I meant the scheming and malice though.

>>283478274
I could teach her to love again...

>>283478434
>Be a literal zombie
>Still more sane, rational, moral, and empathetic than any of the women around you
Do we think Tohru might actually be misogynistic?

>>283483846
there are about as many evil women as there are good women
it's the mothers, all the mothers are either dead or evil

>>283483599
Nigga are you a woman yourself?
First you go "I sleep" to that development but now you suddenly like her more?

Helem being a petty asshole IS the bantz and retorting with physical aggression is evil woman behavior 101, if you don't get that then you just don't like them.

>>283483846
On the contrary, most of the genuinely good people we've seen are women

>>283479260
A new one.

>>283483906
Retardbro, writing quality and getting a boner are not the same thing.
Putting her in direct opposition to Atlus fleshes them both out and her hatred of family specifically makes her a perfect antagonist for Julian whose entire purpose is his newfound family.
At the same time, it makes her fucking pathetic so my dick is no longer interested.

>>283479690
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

>>283479790
>pure
I don't think anything about her is pure.
Except maybe sex!

>>283484090
Please expand

>>283481776
Anon, Lacrima is proof that her puppets do age.

>>283479926
I'm still hearing him and Arkos as Troy Baker.

>>283484104
HELEM REDEEMED?! I'M GONNA JUMP UP ON YOUR STOMACH LIKE A TRAMPOLINE

>>283484169
She should be redeemed, look at this cute face, does this look evil to you?

So this chapter 100% confirms that Helem can assume direct control but that doesn't mean the puppets she creates especially like what she tells them to do unless she EXPLICITLY creates them to be mindless drones.

So this means Amber will almost certainly not liking fighting Jules and Titi if she ever has to since Helem re-created her as she remembered Angval.
They could theoretically mouth off some stuff that will backfire on her and Elstri

It's not looking good team evilbros...

>>283484169
He's a retarded waifufag, no point in arguing with him

>>283484200
>Helem re-created her as she remembered Angval
this was never stated
it's more likely that she created her personality in such a way as to maximize Titi suffering
>They could theoretically mouth off some stuff that will backfire on her and Elstri
newborn Altus was in the room when they were discussing that the queen learning that they had used Arkos' corpse wouldve meant sure death for them so, yeah

>>283484087
Listen i get what you are saying but the the trait you describe is an integral part of what makes the whole archetype so great to begin with.
I can't remember a single memorable female antagonist that isn't petty in some shape or form, it's especially great watching them seeth about getting 1upped constantly for the ultimate mindbreak moment.

I stand by what i said, if you can't appreciate that you don't like them that way.

>>283478501
love this post

>>283482761
Sounds like he's better off dead.

characters like Helem always lose to vanity and hubris

>>283478434
That's my fucking prince right there

>>283478230
>>283478205
>>283478176

>>283484336
I should clarify. Helem picking Angvall's hair lock with a devilish grin and getting triggered by Atlus are both petty but only the former is hot. When these characters start throwing temper tantrums, it ruins the whole appeal imo.
Maybe you'll call that a part of "the archetype" too, but breaking down isn't what makes them evil women so I don't think it matters.

>>283482734
I really got banned for this? Kek

>>283484663
I agree but the thing is Helem isn't backing down tho?
I fact she seems to be doubling down every time she's on screen which just makes her more entertaining and hot imo.

I just think it's cucking out the moment you think she isn't in absolute control of everything 24/7 or be emotionally stable for the matter.
That would make her a worse character from a writing perspective since she would be given no chances to reflect at all.

>>283478839
Will we get a palace arc with Altus?

>>283478802
>Going to make a copy of a random homeless begger
You have to wonder how many hapless citizens in the capital are completely unaware mud golems that crossed her path at one point.

>>283478740
What do we think Arkos did to this dude's grandson

>>283484830
We take evil women slander very seriously in these threads.

>>283478274
helem did nothing wrong

>>283478434
cute elstri

>>283485005
She's always been cute

>>283485005
Why did she suddenly have slit pupils here?

>>283478101 (OP)
I like how the old fuck still has his signature smile

>>283484842
My problem is now everything is in the context of whatever trauma happened to her when she got her power. All the evil stuff she's doing is going to be in service of some really stupid world view rather than love of the game.
You're right that not giving her a flaw like this would fuck over the writing, though I think it could've been done more subtly.

>>283485072
I wonder if Balbad is still with them

>>283478467
That stung abit.

>>283484842
anons its normal for complete control freaks to go mad at any sign of loss of control

>>283484842
absolute control and temper tantrums are not the only options

>>283484877
I love the mizuman/mizumanko nicknames

>>283478434
Unfathomably based.

I literally just realized that Helem is a digimon reference... she's lilithmon holy furaaak

>>283478495
i thought it was a dress but those are just very baggy pants?

>>283478617
>The incredibly powerful mud zombie FEARS Titi
APOLOGIZE TO TITI

>>283485066
evil woman

>>283478434
TOLD

>>283478839
Thanks for the dump
I like that the author is expanding upon Altus being an actual character. Poor guy woke up one day and got thrown into this mess.

>>283485087
>All the evil stuff she's doing is going to be in service of some really stupid world view rather than love of the game
We don't really know that yet.

But whatever, we could argue motivations all day and believe her character arc isn't gonna disappoint.

>>283485158
>>283485180
You two fight over that since there are you clearly have conflicting views.

>>283484877

some things trascend language

>>283485413
i'm taking his virginity instead

>>283478617
Titi… WON

>>283483350
I was surprised at Elstri being unhappy at hobbo killing, but it kinda make sense. She's only schizoid when it come to Diana related issue, even using the village as bait was Diana related. This random fuck has nothing to do with that, and well she probably realise the Supreme Lord would be displeased at such action. And Elstri is the Supreme Lord #1 Simp.

>>283478434
HOLY BASED

>>283478274
ohnonono how's her relationship with her dad?

>>283478839
Diana isn’t going to kill the king at all, she’s just going to get an entire household of reborn royals

>>283478495
>still giving them a look of absolute disgust even after getting kicked in the face
I bet he didn't even flinch

>>283478802
next time Altus is ordered to kill someone he should blow them up side of their dick so the bitch has to choke on one

>>283478434
The future Supreme Lord.

>>283485545
Pretty bad it seems

>>283478434
>>283478467
Altus must'be gained some of the fire powers from the fire witch, because he just burned the shit out of those evil women

>>283478617
I ship them.

>>283485130
No, he left

Is Helem the new main character? Did the author get bored of Julian?

>>283485483
>disobeys his direct order not to fuck with Diana and provoke a self-fulfilling prophecy, gets a score of gifted fighters killed for the sole purpose of resurrecting them as her own private army, defiles the corpses of two of his children
The King cares not.
>Murder a few of his civilians
YOU WANNA FUCKING GO, BITCHES?!

>>283485955
Helemanga

>>283485829
based

>>283484877
>If you're ordered to ejaculate, you'll probably ejaculate right away. That's awesome
>No, you can't skip the masturbation process... If you're ordered to ejaculate, your hand will start masturbating on its own.
Kek

>>283485955
Yes, from now on she will be the one to accumulate a harem of women who want her dick.

>>283485963
they specifically recruited gifted ones that had no relationship with the court, it was a bunch of killers for hire and one girl from a village

>>283481649
they are in the territory that was once Rummis' and was conquered during the war Arkos ended when he was 10 years old

>>283486203
Zana's village is still part of the kingdom, they swearing fealty to the King is another business

>>283478434
Holy based, redemption arc soon?

>/a/ hated this chapter
what the FFUCK happened?

>>283478928
>>283479260
Arkos I think is a red herring and foreshadowing attempt for Big Lady to get Big Mad when ordered to kill /ourgirl/ and then attempt to rebel against Helen

>>283486524
Anons not so keen on evil women after said women do actually evil things

>>283486524
I actually really liked it for based Altus calling out those two retarded bitches for being what they are

>>283486524
you say this every chapter weirdo

>>283486524
>>283486501
>1 minute and 2 seconds apart

>>283486627
>Ichi fujos read Centuria
what the hell? But there's no fujobait here

>>283486685
Are you sure about that?

>>283486524
Altus being a good boy was cool but Helem became too mustache twirling evil which is a bit different than her usual cute self

>>283478434
>>283478467
>>283478495
Arkos is something out of Helem's control so it would be funny if he comes out for 30 seconds, thinks she's annoying and just kills her, accidentally dooming himself to be stuck inside Altus because Altus from there on just kinda chills with Zira somewhere calm.

>willingly antagonizing one of your thralls
That ALWAYS ends well

>>283486879
Two things can be true at the same time, Helem is both a slutty lesbian bimbo sadist and a mustache twirling Machiavellian sadistist evil bitch

>>283486524
I am bored of mud dolls and Helem. It's not bad to be predictable, I prefer that in a story. The Lacrima twist is interesting, but ultimately Helem spamming her power and reviving everyone in short order kills any interest I have.

Like >>283486531
I think Arkos and his whole thing is to develop something where the mud dolls break free. Either influenced by Diana's other or their souls surfacing.

Helem effectively is the first real antagonist. She's a mirror to Mira's motherhood and Mira freeing Julian.Helem enslaves everyone. She doesn't seem capable of forming actual bonds. Sidenote, my guess that Helem's hatred of family is that Gifted ones seem to be part of breeding programs.

>KGRB thread was way faster than our thread
it's over...

so can the mud zombies get pregnant or not?

>>283478274
This shitposter has some major issues.
>>283478434
Well now we've got the voice of helpless basic morality in their party.

>>283487049
Do you think Helem's power has a cost? It seems that nearly every actual ability in the story isn't free.99 except for the supreme king and maybe Julian. It seems a bit insane to allow Helem to be spamming her technique with no repercussions as a story thread. What would stop her from just razing the town at night and then mass invading with clay golems?

>>283487141
>it's literal magic
I would think so, clay-people like Enkidu have historically been fully capable and the setting seems to take a fair amount of inspiration from Gilgamesh

>>283487201
>It seems that nearly every actual ability in the story isn't free
NTA but it's the opposite. Most gifts have no cost aside from casting time and it's the rare gift like Lukas' tree spear that has some kind of cost to it.

What's the trope called where the villain enlists a henchman so vile and unsettling even they feel uneasy in their company?
Because I think Elstri is going through that right now.

>>283487201
Helen is supposed to be one of the strongest gifted ones, but she herself is quite weak.
Having an army of mud people is nothing compared to Arkos destroying entire cities.
Also she can't even assemble an army of gifted ones without them being massively nerfed.
She only seems overpowered because she got Altus/Arkos.

>>283478495
...it should have been me.

>>283487305
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoreDespicableMinion

>>283478802
okay what the fuck. this is a bit too much. i didnt mind helem's edo tensei at first because when it was first introduced it sounded like some super ultra secret trump card power that took massive effort and expenditure. but now apparently she can just do it willy nilly?

>>283478274
>>283478495
>>283478766

Is there such a thing as a woman being too evil bros?

>>283487201
>What would stop her from just razing the town at night and then mass invading with clay golems?
What are going to do those peasant golem against an actual army, let alone a powerful gifted one?

>>283487326
>>283487282
That's interesting. I just can't see her being defeated without some plot bullshit happening if that's the case. I feel bad for the golem dudes since they seemed to be interesting characters pre-lobotomy

>>283478434
>>283478467
Fuck Julian

ALTUS IS MY HERO!

So are we getting a second thread again, or was that just a one time thing?

>>283487305
"even evil has standards" or something along that line i believe

>>283479977
Some take a lifetime before learning such a lesson some, like me never really do.

I kneel Chadtus

>>283487385
We're about to find out anon
>>283487406
0 individuality zombies fighting with too little willpower to be hindered by the brain's limit on muscle usage might be army tier but gifted ones are mega OP. Reminds me somewhat of Bugle Call

>>283487414
>I just can't see her being defeated without some plot bullshit happening if that's the case.

What? She's a normal human physically speaking. A random guy stabbing her in the back is going to kill her. It's not like she only lives in a remote citadel and only interact with puppets.

>>283478434
I can sense something being coming for Helem, an award of some sort...

>>283487357
>literal first example is Eren
fucking kek what

>>283485066
She felt her pussy buzz for a man for the first time in her life.

>>283478434
BASED ALTUS
EVIL WOMAN HATE

>>283487440
Not enough happened. Evil woman established as even more evil.

>>283487492
That's not narratively satisfying unless she narrowly escapes death and then gets cornered for her misdeeds aka plot bullshit
I think it's just anathema to story telling to have her get killed before her puppets are overwhelmed and they seem rather capable

>>283478495
>All that shit talking and can't handle a bit of banter
kwab

>>283487560
Julian already killed all of her puppets once with the exception of Altus, and now they have a weaker gift.

But if you want to talk narratively she is going to be fucked by her own hubris 99% of the cases.

>>283478467
>what the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch?

>>283478617
Titi confirmed for most powerful character in the series.

>>283479702
>>283483304
I think this time was more uniquely so that she could assert control over Altus and mindbreak him now that he's experiencing independent thoughts

>>283487642
Remember when Julian killed Angval?
good times

>>283478870
Anime soon brothers.

>>283487752
Well, from a certain point of view...

>>283478434
TRVTH NUKE

>>283478467
>>283478495
> there's nothing I love more than seeing the horrified looks on others' faces. I'm always thinking about how to upset people
> no, not like that!
lmao, poser

>>283478434
I miss my prince's smile...

>>283487539
She already felt that when she met the king the first time

>>283487752
I was talking about gifted ones, but fair. Still let's not pretend Angvall Vs Julian is going differently from Angvall Vs Arkos, if you disregard the huge psychological factor of the fight.

>>283481649
none else got them ugly ass eyelashes

>>283487963
It's just going to be a rehearsal of that time Angvall was trying to kill Julian, only this time for real

Fellow evil women enjoyers, who has the bed with toys page?

>>283478434
holy shit i love him now??

>>283478434
>>283487880
>when she sees her wimpy son

>>283478802
I really wish Helem hadn't done that, it's going to be hard to redeem her now

>>283488211
my queen

>>283487049
At least this chapter set up her imminent defeat. Words like these >>283478274 are a blaring signal a villain is going to suffer a humiliating loss not too far in the future. Of course "imminent" can still mean a fairly long time when reading weekly.
>She doesn't seem capable of forming actual bonds
That trait is presumably reserved for Eire. It would be very unusual for an early villain to have the most severe form of a thematically relevant character flaw. Helem's words and actions point at her suppressing her capacity for love, but it does exist in some form. If she really never cared about bonds or morality, she would have nothing to be jaded and insecure about.

Will Altus befriend the witches

>>283484918
Made his dick explode

>>283489226
>a blaring signal a villain is going to suffer a humiliating loss not too far in the future
What are the chances she survives that loss in your opinion?

>>283489678
not him but she'll probably survive and stay humbled if Arkos is anything to go by.

>>283487141
We don't really know. My assumption is that Helem's gift was inherited from a Blessed person who actually could rez the dead, but the assumption that the gift weakens is wrong. They likely distort.

>>283487201
My assumption is that she doesn't actually understand her own limits. That's being set-up. Or that people like the mindbreak knight can mentally fuck with her and her dolls to the point they are a liability against someone like him/ her.

>>283489226
I think Eire is framed by Helem's assumption of who she is and what she thinks wants she. I think Eire is the end game villain and is planning to pull a Lady MacBeth. Helem, I think, was broken and lacks the ability to form bonds/ is envious of others. I think the Queen had Lacrima made into a mud doll to test Helem and try to understand her gift. It's why Helem is confused at the Queen losing interest in her.

My issues with Helem is the yurifags and the mud dolls getting old very very quick. Her character is fine in bits, but she's throwing out tortured to death flags or pushed into the mud to asphyxiate while trying to make a doll. She's becoming a very boring antagonist.

>>283478274
I HATE EVIL WOMEN SO MUCH BUT THEY MAKE MY DICK ROCK HARD

>>283478434
>>283478467
I kneel holy fucking shit, he's more of a character now.

>>283478839
zira altus sex when

>>283489961
Altus/Arkos does not fuck the maid.

>>283478590
>>283478617
Altus being a real one. holy shit.

>>283489977
Do you think they were just cuddling here

>>283478870
As rightfully so. This is so good and I hope the author continues making kino.

>>283489999
I forgot about this, I was thinking this one was some woman he found somewhere.

>>283489999
>>283490071
They were kind of cute together, if you ignore Arkos being a psycho

>>283490071
>some woman he found somewhere.
Yes, Zira.

>>283489836
i certainly hope that's the outcome, i've placed my happiness in your words

>>283490087
Am I fucking dumb, is this her with her hair down??

the evil woman action this time was just kind of bland, but Altus being a good boy is interesting

>>283490120
How'd you miss that

>>283490120
Yes.

>>283490139
> when she was a child
> looks about the same age as Arkos so he was also a child probably
They're basically childhood friends, this is adorable

>>283483617
NTA, But even if you really like evil, hypocrisy is just a fundamentally unlikable trait. I don't mind necromancy, I don't mind killings for the lulz, I don't mind what is basically necrophilia, I don't mind the very apparent sadism and hatred for family values, I don't mind the addiction to rageaiting people, but cracking after a simple remark like that just makes her look like a bitch. Very realistic though.

>>283487528
As the person WITH the minion.

>>283489999
what's with volume extras and pillow talk?
but also nice quads

>>283490209
I mean he might also murdered her family and city in a flood

>>283489879
She will recognize love in her final moments and give control of the puppets over to Elstri before getting turned into minced meat by Julian

>>283490664
Honestly, I'm half expecting Elstri to eventually join the protagonists. Helem feels like she might get mindbroken by the brainwashing knight and used to make an undead/ clone army for the Queen.

>>283490756
That would take from the reader the much desired satisfaction of seeing Helem get fucking blown to bits.

>>283490756
>she might get mindbroken by the brainwashing knight
Now that guy (Veselka) actually looks like an end game antagonist. He also probably has something to do with the King's state of mind.

>>283490842
I'll be sad if Helem dies because I think a lot of the best moments are thanks to her, I'll accept temporary brainwashing correction thank you

>>283478434
Artus, I KNEEL.

But I also want Helem's foot in my face.

>>283480997
Would he funny if Helem neglected Elstri to play with her new toy. Meanwhile Elstri at first glad starts to crave their passionate night's and daily flirting.

>>283489879
this is a manga about family, Helem is an evil mother that doesnt think she's a mother, the queen is an evil mother that thinks she's a good mother
alternatively they're both evil mothers that exploit their children, the first to do evil woman hijinx and the latter to get attention from the supreme lord

>>283490842
I feel like there would be a poetry in her being turned into a slave. It’s what she’s done to everyone else so far.

>>283478740
Shouldn't they still be hiding Altus? After all, they were deathly afraid of being found out by the queen.

>>283491868
They are hiding Altus, Helem ordered him to kill the only witness, that's why she did it, it wasn't just because he was annoying despite what she may have said

>>283491902
Who's to say there was nobody else nearby? Will they exterminate the whole town afterwards since they will have seen him shopping? Everything easily avoided by putting the mystery nigga cloak back on him.

>>283492181
I mean Elstri threatened to exterminate the town Julian was living in, I wouldn't put it past them, considering that I'm actually surprised at Elstris reaction

>>283478802
Anyone feels sorry for elstri? Granted this was her own doing but she's always getting the short end of the stick and not only she had to sell her body but she's now just a puppet in her own scheme

>>283478562
Planting the seeds for Lacrima to resist her commands, if Ocean mom doesn't straight up cancels it like she did with Arkos

>>283478972
>>283479351
Last chapter we had her hoping the queen wouldn't hate her, it's pretty obvious someone she loved ended up hating her now she's just seething at happy people

>>283478839
>Hates violence
>Recognizes that Julian and the rest all genuinely care for eachother

I'm hoping Altus can reconnect with the group and he can warn Lacrima about what she is.

Why is the art getting worse the longer this manga goes on?

I LOVE EVIL WOMEN

>b-but she actually has no morals
>h-how can she do all this
>i-it's all so tiresome

DID I FUCKING STUTTER

>>283478434
oh look, a self-insert for the good goys

See you in two weeks, Familybros. Graaah!

>>283492218
>>283492203
Elstri may be ruthless and callous when is anything regarding Diana and co, but she's still someone who's supposed to work for the good of the kingdom, so killing a random civilian because he's a nuisance is something too much even for her, specially when we've been shown the king really cares about his subjects and war victims still, don't feel sorry for her though

>>283492896
Thank you Your majesty, please show these posers

Why does Helem have rinnegan eyes now? Only the King had them.

>>283492218
A puppet? Helem is loyal to Elstri and has only done things to benefit that mission, she's not at all a puppet

>>283489999
she just warmed his bed

>>283493010
See ya!

>>283478274
>>283478205

stupid sexy evil woman

>>283493010
Graaah!

Still waiting for art of Helem's huge cock and hairy balls.

>>283493131
Always did

>>283492864
It's charmingly wonky as always, dunno what you're talking about.

I think I hate evil women.

>>283492218
>feel sorry
>for the obnoxious shitstain that can't give the most basic respect to the person her entire life revolves around, let alone any random person

>>283478495
altus will never know the love of a mother...

>>283489646
When will she get a break

Last for Elstri

>>283493394
Last for the superior blonde evil woman, Berta

>>283478274
ill fucking choke the life out of her

>>283493368
she misses her shota...

>>283478617
the power of introspection, how does he do it in just a week.

>>283478274
> i hate the moral of the whole story
ok

>>283493708
The moral of the story isn't just love your family though.

>>283493708
She hates it because obviously Family has betrayed her in the past, which is why she went from people pleaser with a twisted power to full sadist, see
>>283479814
I'm sure we'll find out what happened a few chapters before she's redeemed and lives happily ever after

>>283478894
does a person's sin start counting once he realized he is sinning?

>>283483350
Elstri and Helem are essentially Team Rocket and Diana is Pikachu

>>283493923
I could not have expressed it better myself...

>>283478766
So how come here it shows Atlus having to immediately kill with no control as soon as he is ordered, but here nothing happened at all? Same order.

>>283487305
Like Stalin and Beria

>>283494045
She had to give the order a second time for Altus to do it.

>>283478766
Okay this made me rock hard, even more so than usual.

>>283493414
My wife and future mother of my many children.

>>283494257
she fucks horses though

Do you think Helem programmed Lacrima with her own rape tendencies, and that's why she tried to force herself on Julian?

>>283492864
The art has always been inconsistent. It seems to me like he has a good sense for which pages are important to focus on details on, and all of the other, less impactful pages, he doesn't sweat the small stuff.

>>283478839
Altus is 100% gonna flip whenever the Lacrima card is sprung.
>>283478894
A tool cannot commit a sin.

>>283494164
not really, she orders him once >>283478766 and only insists because he's actively resisting
when she tells him to kill the incest shota or the spikes dude Altus just goes (...)

>>283494377
>A tool cannot commit a sin.
I can't tell if you're making a reference to something or just using logic I've seen in other stuff without necessarily getting your logic from there.

>>283494566
Just working off of the blurb spelling out that it's basically just Helem beating the guy to death with an Altus shaped hammer

>>283494566
Altus acting on Helem's commands shouldn't really count as his own sin, we even see him protest against it during the action so she's basically just pulling the strings of his body.

>>283494712
Okay, because you definitely had me thinking about Danganronpa.

>>283484877
heh...

>>283478230
If its such a good plan why didn't she try it already

>>283478467
>Is hurting people just a game to you?
Yep and it was also a game for your predecessor altus
>>283478495
Rifing with insecurity, she was mad because everything he said was the truth

>>283478532
So they have their own thoughts and feelings, I don't see how this could possibly go wrong

>>283478802
>No sense of right and wrong

Last call for a second thread.
I won't be making it, but if it gets made I'll be there.

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