Thread 283640892

>always the smartest person in the room
>outwardly plain (but is very beautiful when she tries)
>the 10/10 prince is also in love with her
If she was a man, everyone would be calling this cringy wish fulfillment.

>>283640892 (OP)
>always the smartest person in the room
Wrong already

>>283640892 (OP)
>outwardly plain
She is always beautiful

>>283640892 (OP)
Both her father and adoptive father kick her ass when it comes to intelligence and knowledge, though

>yet another innit thread
>lowest effort bait you'll see for hours
>only possible for people with room temperature IQ and a terminally fucked neurotype
>too stupid to stop posting
What about deciding a suicide date innit

>>283640892 (OP)
babymaking sex with maomao

I'm just there for the imperial chinese aesthetics

>>283640892 (OP)
>outwardly plain
plain through effort* (according to the anime)

I'm a man and I love Maomao. Her putting make-up to look uglier made be a bit disappointed, I would've liked her more if she looked plain while outsmarting everyone.
Also I'm sure she would've gotten her head chopped off for some of the things she does, the concubines are a bit too nice for this kind of setting.
And her trying to poison herself on her own makes me think she's not as smart as she claims to be.

>>283640892 (OP)
How far would I have to read to see Maomao and Jinshin finally get together?

>>283640892 (OP)
>Didn't watch the show at all.
At least you tried. You failed hard but you tried.

>>283641371
I don't think the concubines wield that kind of power. Also she proves to be very valuable and useful to the concubines very quickly so I don't think that she is ever in any danger of that.

>>283640892 (OP)
> always the smartest person in the room
lmao no

>>283641371
Honestly were freckles THAT undesirable? Kind of get it as a deterant for not being sold, but how would it stop men forcing themselves on you.

**Well she did work under one and performed her job quite well, saved another ones life when no one else could and the 3rd on is a child. Haven't gotten too far to know much about the new pure consort but doesn't seem like she'd care that much.**

** God forbid women have hobbies **

>>283640892 (OP)
She's short, flat, and has freckles. Lol she's not beautiful whatsoever.

But I perfectly understand Jin Shi's fetish.

>>283641541
Probably not undesirable enough to force poor fuckers in the red light district from having their way with her, but in east asian countries, especially historically, clear and pale skin was a pretty big deal.

The freckles combined with her being very short + flat were a good enough combination for her not to really be worthwhile selling off.

I'd pay extra for a girl with freckles
Although if she told me they were actually fake I would strangle her and then behead her

>>283640892 (OP)
Welcome to shoujo

Are you gay if you don't understand Jin Shi's fetish?

>>283640892 (OP)
She entered a room with Luomen in it for most of her life thoughbeitever.
>>283641087
Seems less like an innit thread and more like the mary sue fag seething again.

>>283641696
They're still members of the court and close to the Emperor.
The level of incompetence displayed by the servants to Lady Gyokyou's rival (forgot her name) would've been harshly punished.
Then again I'm more familiar with european nobility.

>>283642217
Very gay

>>283642252
Lihua's girls? I thought the one who was in charge of the makeup WAS executed in the LN, but I could be mistaken.

As things are, both Gyokuyou and Lihua are pretty shockingly kind and accommodating for women who have made it to the position of high consort, but I mean, its a fictional story in the end, so I guess they can take some liberties with the kinds of crap some of these ladies in waiting get away with, otherwise the plot would be a bit too restrictive.

>>283640892 (OP)
Why is this show so kino? Even ignoring the forced romance pairing the mysteries / political subplot is still entertaining.

I tried other show with similar settings like Yatagarasu but it doesn't hit the same

>>283642549
Akatsuki No Yona is similar to that. But it's kind of more like fictional Korea. The female main is also bland and dumb a bit.

>>283642549
because Historical Shoujo has always been the best genre for anime.

>>283642549
not really related but the other day I watched
>Orb: On the Movements of the Earth
and the plot was jawdropping, like for an anime it was so good, it got me hooked and I watched the entire 24 ep in 2 days, really good if you want good subplots

>>283640892 (OP)
That's the key idea in these types of series, correct. That fantasy of the main character being conveniently surrounded by stupid worthless people. These characters are all alike. They hate even their closest friends and family members.

>>283640892 (OP)
>shameless self insert for femoids with rape fetish

>>283641062
>"Every woman but me is a whore and stupid!!"
>"I'm daddy's favorite!!"

The fucking wretched people that these Japanese stories are written for.

>>283641541
The narrative purpose of it is telling the reader that other women deserved to be raped but Mao Mao is "special" and "pure"

>>283642549
It's kino because the mysteries are well written and pretty logical when you think about it. I don't like that some of them usually teeter on mystery box writing but a lot of it is very well built up if you have eyes

>>283640958
Honestly this.

OP real complaints should be
>smarter than 90% of the cast
>is a cunt to the 10/10 prince chad but he loves it
>every other female is literally a whore, concubine, failed whore/concubine, retard femcel, or dead
>literally a gary stu isekai self insert but female

>>283643793
This anon gets it

>>283640892 (OP)
>dirty and poor background
>actually, cao cao's daughter

>>283640892 (OP)
I like how lonely losers are actually mad at pretty chads falling in love with each other and calling it cringy opposed to pretty chads falling in love with plain losers.
>NOOOO, THIS CAN'T BE, THE PRETTY PRINCE FELL IN LOVE WITH SOMEONE SMART AND PRETTY, HOW COULD THIS BE?

Xiaomao is literally me. I self insert as Xiaomao, so it IS wish fulfillment.

If Maomao was fed proper food as a child, she would've filled out like her mother

>>283643793
I like how you people are so used to watching your dumb Japanese cartoons for losers that you actually have come to expect plain protagonists.
Anon, almost no fiction has plain protagonists. The main character in fiction is almost always exceptional in many ways. Achilles was a great warrior. Batman is really smart and really strong. Superman is an alien with vast powers. Sherlock Holmes is brilliant and Luke Skywalker has some of the greatest recorded force potential ever second only to his daddy.

No one wants to watch fiction about plain everymen because it's narratively uninteresting. You can go look at a random friend if you want to watch that. Consequently fiction with everyman protagonists are is generally worthless trash for friendless losers to just dream about an everyman they can relate to finding success and love without the skills that warrant it. Māomāo isn't remotely special or unique for being brilliant as a protagonist. Sherlock Holmes was brilliant long before that.

Why does this guy keep talking about friendless losers?

>>283640892 (OP)
The problem for me is that the story says she's "outwardly plain" but the anime adaptation doesn't really reflect this well. She (and everyone else's, even the servants') clothes are spotless and she's still ultimately got a pretty facial structure even with the freckles...

I disagree with the "smartest person in the room" thing though. She's smart but she actively admits that her grandfather is smarter than her, her actual father is also probably smarter than her in most respects, and in S2 she gets outsmarted by Shisui multiple times.

>>283645214
>even with the freckles...
What do you mean "even" with the freckles

>>283645222
I mean that's literally why they say she's plain/ugly in universe. I personally don't think they make you that ugly but Chinese beauty standards were rough back then and she herself says that's why she applies them, to appear unattractive. I'm just saying that even with that she still looks pretty because she just has a pretty face. Maomao herself even addresses this when dressing up Jinshi when they go covert on the town when she alters his facial structure with cotton in his mouth.

>>283640892 (OP)
She literally just does random shit she's not supposed to know about.

>>283640892 (OP)
She's the ugliest character in the entire series and yet the prince is all over her, bullshit.

>>283641541
Indeed, think of the freckles thing as one of several details that Maomao leverages to avoid the spotlight. Freckles weren't a deal-breaker for most men, though it's worth mentioning that Maomao spends her whole life in the heart of the beauty sector, which is downright obsessed with clear skin (as >>283641696 mentions). Most non-eunich men who would encounter Maomao would not encounter her alone, but rather amidst other girls in the pleasure district or imperial palace, who are all trying to look and act as attractive as possible. She's trying to do the exact opposite in a low-key way, which makes sense that most men would overlook her. Perhaps even more importantly, Maomao looking less beautiful than her own peers is theoretically ideal for avoiding eliciting jealousy and drama though it's foiled by Jinshi taking personal interest in her, and she's too much of a schizoid to bother changing.

>>283645314
It's a pretty well known fact that the series plays fast and loose with historical details, it has an approximate era that it's set in but there's stuff that just gets thrown in because the author likes it or it was convenient
https://youtu.be/VIghRHVRaYU

>>283645379
the idea of them using rubbing alcohol makes me chuckle

>>283645158
Ain't reading all that

>>283645402
This too. They somehow know to disinfect shit, when the whole relationship between bacteria and human disease is not discovered for the next 500 years.

>>283645484
As the other anon said it really plays fast and loose with the time periods. The western lands were in the middle of witch hunts when Luomen was studying there and what's basically Romeo & Juliet becomes a popular imported novel

>>283645351
She's not as ugly as Utena

>>283645556
Nah. They pretty much hard-set the time period when they spent an entire season talking about prototype firearms

>>283645420
What you meant is:
>I started reading that but I realized that continuing to read it would make me realize what kind of a pathetic loser I am so I stopped.

>>283640892 (OP)
women want to be her
men want to anal her

>>283645689
>men want to anal her
Nah, I want to see her beaten up. The scene in season 1 where she got a good hit in the face was awesome.

>>283643329
>rape fetish
What

>>283645314
I like how you conflate a specific shaved ice dish with ice cream
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_dessert#History
>Other accounts say ice cream originated in the Mongol Empire and first spread to China during its expansion. Tang dynasty (618–907 AD) records describe a chilled dessert made with flour, camphor and water buffalo milk.
China already had ice cream way before the time period of this show.

>>283645656
>>283645484
>real history dates
lmao irrelevant when this is their fucking world map

>>283645484
They have flintlocks, so late 1600s-1700s seems about right

>>283646362
shaoh must be a fucking mess

>>283646362
So Apotecary Daries are not Alt History but full on Fantasy?

>>283642549
>Even ignoring the forced romance
Wish I could.

>>283647688
always was

>>283641541
>Honestly were freckles THAT undesirable?
Chinese culture values clear white skin as the absolute peak to aim for (hence the east asian fetishization of white people). Freckles are like a representative of the antithesis of beauty in-setting.

>>283648019
>hence the east asian fetishization of white people
Nope, that's something that's rather recent. East Asia as a whole has just gotten assraped by the West (in every sense) to the point that they've all started being obsessed with it. China several hundred years ago was anything but thinking Westerners are that attractive.

Whenever this show has exposition and lines of succession and the different family ties and relationships i get totally lost. I might be an idiot.

Smoking opium with Maomao and Dr. House
(We all have a sore leg)

>>283642217
Bare minimum height gap required in current year to get a date

>>283648279
Pls dont post demoralization like this. Theres nothing wrong with being a short king.

>>283640892 (OP)
Let's try:
>always the smartest person in the room
>outwardly plain
>the 10/10 princess is also in love with him
That's 90% of the anime out there, that's the average at best

And if it was a male cringy wish fulfillment:
>start as a slave, recognized noble a few chapters in
>gradually amass a harem that rival the Emperor's
>whoever was his owner as a slave is now essentially his servant
And we are not getting started with isekai

Not saying Mao Mao don't have protagonist-tier buff, but by anime standard she's modest and deserve everything she get (including the punishment).

>>283648019
My jade beauty must contain no blemishes

>>283643793
Still doesn't work
>smarter than 90% of the cast
>is a cunt to the 10/10 princess but she loves it
>every other male is literally a dumbass, jobber, chosen for nepotism, retarded incel, or dead
>literally a gary stu isekai self insert
That's 90% of males protagonist out there,
Even the hot-blooded ones who act stupid but whatever they do works like they planned it from the start

>>283640892 (OP)
Yea, total Mary S-ACK

>>283640892 (OP)
In the new stories after the anime ends, she gets humbled once she encounters big bois outside the closed palace system. She was just a big fish in a small pond.

>>283645314
>muh ice cream
See this >>283645986
Frankly, your example is so disingenuous I'll accuse you of knowing that and still trying just to fling shit

>>283647304
You're right after vol.5 the main political messes are related to Sha'ou power struggles, or people who want a casus belli to take that country's ports because the fees are too high

>>283647304
The envoys from season 2 came from Sha'oh

>>283648454
2nd most average person in the family BTW.
And that debatable, since Lahan's brother saved countries

>freckles
Ick.

>>283640892 (OP)
is she the doctor house of anime?

>>283648434
And she's only saved from execution by someone she hate who is essentially implied to have seen all of this coming

>>283648641
I laffed

>>283646362
To LN readers, Anan is basically Vietnam light, but Hokuaren is Golden Horde, Russia or a mix between them.
I would also say Shaoh is Ottoman-inspired.

>>283640892 (OP)
I call it cringy wish fulfilment regardless.

>>283648434
let's conveniently ignore the fact that it amounts to nothing because daddy

Why was that girl so obsessed with insects and bugs? Was she autistic?

>>283649136
She is autistic.

>>283648969
She still gets the shit kicked out of her and has to be saved. Not very mary sue-ish.

>>283648329
>start as a slave, recognized noble a few chapters in
Going by most Isekai, they wouldn't even start that low.

8 episodes in and while it's pretty good so far do we go beyond the king's brothel? I would like to see MaoMao exploring not China.

>>283649899
???

>>283640892 (OP)
Yeah this show is some Yuuki Aoi wankerfest. Like how does she now all this crap in the medieval China? I'd be fine with some of that crap but it gets ridiculous.

>>283642217
>Their VAs have the exact same height gap

>>283642325
For a moment I thought the thumbnail was from the car scene in Utena.

>>283645066
>pretty chads falling in love with each other
that sounds gay

>>283640892 (OP)
Shit series made for women
Next

>>283640892 (OP)
>>283643793
It's acceptable because she's also a weird little gremlin freak who autistically scavenges for dangerous plants she can eat.

>>283640892 (OP)
i know fujoslop when i see it. hard pass

>>283643440
Isn't this one Chinese?

>>283640892 (OP)
>>outwardly plain (but is very beautiful when she tries)
Makeup doesn't suit her

>>283650139
Anon you realize that the post you quoted isn't complaining that Sherlock Holmes is exceptional right?
it's complaining about it being badly written. if you want to complain about maomao being badly written that's fine (ideally you'd post evidence to substantiate your claims but that's optional) but the other anons are complaining that she is special at all.

>>283650139
Maomao is more like Anton Chigurh. People here just can't accept that a woman can be smarter than a man.

>>283650103
>Woman
>Fujoslop
Words mean things

>>283650356
she's a fujoshi self-insert

>>283650289
>More like
Sounds more like: "Hey peasants I'm from another world. We have this stuff called wheelbarrows and crop rotation. Surely with these you can live lives of prosperity.

>>283642217
If Jin was around 180cm. MaoMao is 145cm.
ToT

>>283648641
more like Shinichi Kudo / Detective Conan

>>283650632
Maomao doesn't know anything other people don't know. She's just better at applying her knowledge.

>>283650393
Fujoshi self-insert would be one of those shy, pretty boys. Fujos are allergic to women in their media.
What you are thinking about is a yumejo.

>>283650938
fujoshi means rotten woman. maomao is also a rotten woman ergo she is a fujoshi self-insert

>>283640892 (OP)
>outwardly plain (but is very beautiful when she tries)
anon she is literally the daughter of a 10 out of 10 top tier courtesan, she is anything but plain, she has to paint herself with freckles so men don't follow their impulse to drag her into some alley to rape her, it's a miracle the prince even has that much self control with a (apparently) peasant cheeky girl.
>always the smartest person in the room
Only with matters of medicine and was taught by one of the smartest eunuchs of china that knows all of medicine, convenient sure but it would be a pretty fucking boring story if she was too retarded to act as a Imperial china detective like>>283645158 anon said
>>283650114
Nah it was written by Natsu Hyūga, japanese love ancient china shit
>>283648606
Lakan saved my interest in this story desu, that subplot about him and maomao's mom made me cry I do find it funny that the author said that this outcome was for the better because a lakan married to Fengxian would result in a very spoiled and probably evil maomao, lots of deaths and a tragical ending for herself
a spinoff of an evil maomao poisoning everyone and getting caught at the end would have made for an interesting spinoff.

>>283651066
Now you just sound stupid and petty.

>>283640892 (OP)
>If she was a man, everyone would be calling this cringy wish fulfillment.
And are they in the room with us right now?

>>283645066
This. They say they want more Chad characters but then bitch when it happens in shoujo.

>>283651125
why, because i know what fujoshi means?

>>283651164
I don't think you really do.

>>283651184
>Translating literally to "rotten woman" or "rotten girl"
???

>>283651220
Do you also think that 青春 is a time of the year because of how it literally translates?

>>283651246
>translates to rotten women and is used exclusively to refer to women who have rotten morals like maomao
i accept your concession

>>283645158
Crime and Punishment, one of the most famous books of all time, is about some everyday Russian NEET and people love it because they can relate to what he feels.

>>283640892 (OP)
It's the female power fantasy for beta women. Stacy women prefer the femme fatale power fantasy.

>>283640892 (OP)

Its absolutely cringy female wish fulfillment but since Maomao is hot I can forgive it.

>>283645158
Take the moepill and enjoy normal everyday cute girls be cute.

>>283652034
Not really, students may like it cause unlike other books read in school this one is fairly easy to understand. Even /lit/ talks more about other russian works than this one, and when they do mention it it's to meme about loser with an axe. I would say a much better example would be Treasure Island.

>>283648434
You just know Lakan ruined that soldier's life and probably the life of his entire clan for harming his daughter like that.

>>283650139
MaoMao fit the smart written case then.
She speculates on the most logical way people would act, until there's no reasonable alternative.
She does remember things with a photogenic memory, but it would be easier for peoples for whom these details matters more than our modern societies I mean, the IRL equivalent would have the maids on their phones any second they can, looking at fakebook sponsored disinformation with an attention span of 10 seconds.

>>283650632
Read the damn manga, half of what MaoMao do is put back into practice thing that were lost due to various conspiracies or just needed a specialist and she was closest.

>>283643329
>>283650103
>>283650938
You can always tell how retarded a post will be by whether or not it uses all lowercase. It's practically guaranteed.

>>283640892 (OP)
>always the smartest person in the room
She is not even the 3rd smartest person in the series.

>>283648329
She is just a female wish fullfiment nothing wrong with that

>>283652376
I'd love to see that poor soldier reappear.
He did exactly what his job required. Can't have any respect if a damn kid literally accuses you of plotting.
Lakan wouldn't have anything against him without revealing he suspected something serious and yet let Maomao fix it by herself.

Anyone go ahead:
Pretend to be Lakan and explain why you just happened to let Maomao go through to save the Emperor brother or something but you think the soldier should be punished.

He wouldn't recognize the soldier's face anyway.

>>283652559
typical zoomer comment, completely unable to engage with the actual content of any argument so you focus on aesthetics. i have proven you and your retarded compatriot wrong;
>>283651309

>>283653301
>i have proven you and your retarded compatriot wrong
You didn't even answer the question you replied to.

>>283653301
oh you're actually just dumb, nevermind

>>283653542
oh you're actually just dumb, nevermind

>>283653580
>>283653624
Man you're bad at replying.

>>283653647
yeah i was clicking back and forth to see which question i supposedly failed to reply to

>>283653685
Here, I'll help you:

>>283651246
>Do you also think that 青春 is a time of the year because of how it literally translates?

>>283640892 (OP)
>Flat midget
I don't get the appeal

>>283653716
so are you autistic or just dumb

>>283653751
I see you've still not answered the question.

>>283653766
autistic, gotcha

>>283653787
I'm gonna take that as "yes, I think 青春 is a season".

>>283651156
>but then bitch when it happens in shoujo
Seeing anons unironically get upset in shoujo threads when attractive characters are interested in one another is so funny.

>>283653807
i don't care if you live or die

>>283645158
You're somehow an even bigger retard than OP.

>>283653862
Okay?

>>283648641
Is she saying it’s Lupus?

>>283653894
*shits in your mouth*

>>283653729
You can pick her up and use her like a onahole with ease. See>>283642217.

>>283653729
Flat is justice.

>>283653729
Flat midgets are sexo

I deserve a Maomao type gf, dont I?

>>283655064
Not everyone deserves one but I think most men and of course some women do their best and they should have maomao wife to support them

>>283655064
Of course you do anon

>>283652252
>students may like it cause unlike other books read in school this one is fairly easy to understand
Do you really think that's the largest factor in people's enjoyment of Crime and Punishment? That's retarded

>>283655542
I didnt find crime and punishment easy to read. It is uncomfortable to read because the main character is so feverish and unhinged

Making Maomao a mother!

>>283655662
Jinshi...

>>283655776
Hes impotent from the testorene supressing drugs he takes.

>>283640892 (OP)
She openly admits that Luomen mogs her mentally in every way.

>>283651156
The Apothecary Diaries isn't shojo, it's seinen

This show makes me want to hire a prostitute

>>283652815
>He did exactly what his job required. Can't have any respect if a damn kid literally accuses you of plotting.
I could see a sort of post-facto justification. There was information of a credible threat against a high ranking Eunuch and this soldier would have been complicit in his death for stopping any attempt to save Jinshi. This all really relies on Lakan using his authority as a minister and less about the soldier doing anything technically wrong beyond being a bit excessive to a random lady-in-waiting. But at least in the manga there's the implication that this soldier was in on the plot so maybe Lakan could simply put the guy under investigation and squeeze a little. Nothing to warrant an execution our outright dismissal, but definitely having the guy fired from guard duty at the shrine.

>He wouldn't recognize the soldier's face anyway.
He's seemingly been just fine at screwing over people despite most of them appearing as go pieces to him. It would be easy to just get the duty roster and confirm the name with other witnesses.

>>283650021
>It's acceptable because she's also a weird little gremlin freak who autistically scavenges for dangerous plants she can eat.
Omigosh she's so wacky, quirky, AND dorky she's literally us, amirite, xisters UwU

>>283655811
relentless prostate stimulation will fix it im sure of it.

>>283646362
>No African stand in
Why?

>>283656783
No one wants Africa.

>>283648969
Anon, that's the complete opposite of a Mary Sue.
The only reason she wasn't immediately beaten to death is because of someone's pity. Reinforces that at the end of the day, no matter how smart she is, she's still just a woman.
She might as well be Subaru.

>>283640892 (OP)
>everyone
Who?
>cringy
Rettid

New season next year woot!

>>283655926
Is there a man that can contain her hunger?

>>283658012
Next november wtf? Is there nothing for spring season?

flatflat

>>283660708
Basedbased.

>>283651111
>that subplot about him and maomao's mom made me cry
same

>>283661359
Does he ever get to have fun with his daughter?

>>283640892 (OP)
If people knew better, they’d let this shitty bait thread die.

Maomao's hairy maomao.

>>283661748
It is shaved

>>283645767
It’s a common fetish in womens’ erotica, but he’s being a retard here shoving it where it doesn’t belong.

>>283652559
Right? The hack really pulled back the curtain with why those posts have been popping up since 2021.

>>283661804
Not always.

>>283653301
>wrong;

>>283661804
Too big.

>>283661804
shaved and ready for anal

>>283662129
Faggot the cat is for breeding

Just look at how fucking flat this sexy little cat is.

>>283658012
and an original movie, don't forget

>>283662438
Hot.

>>283662341
Oh no you don't, Jinshi.

>>283662518
You're so dickless even the actual eunuch in the show has a bigger dick than you

>>283656280
>But at least in the manga there's the implication that this soldier was in on the plot so maybe Lakan could simply put the guy under investigation and squeeze a little. Nothing to warrant an execution our outright dismissal, but definitely having the guy fired from guard duty at the shrine.
Whut? The only one implying he was complicit was Maomao in a really desperate try to have the soldier take her seriously and want to prove his innocence (instead of calling off her bluff). A random soldier like him wouldn't even play any role in the assassination attempt.

No, if someone would be in trouble it would be Lakan himself, what was he doing here? Why did he order the soldier to let a random daughter pass? Did he know of the plot and tried to look helpful even if she didn't make it at the very last second?
I don't think he could even get the guy fired.
it would however be hilarious if the guard looked for her to ask her "sorry!" followed by "could you please convince your FATHER, to stop his machination of making me regret being born?" in cold sweat.
Not that I see any decent reason to bring this nobody in the plot, unlike dog-man.

>He's seemingly been just fine at screwing over people
True, I was mostly joking. Not like he could actually work without a way to differentiate people.

>>283643440
>raised by the best whores in town and thinks of them as sisters
>does not like her birth father at all

>>283645214
The manga the anime art style is based on makes her deliberately look like her.kother, who was hot as hell in her youth. The light novels say she looks like her dad, who is plainer. The other manga follows that for the most part

>>283656783
It's an ideal fantasy