>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of those even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for men trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, have given up, or insist that there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
Wingman.live: https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
"Models": https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
"No More Mr Niceguy": https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
Wingmam: https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
Dr. NerdLove: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
Leykis 101: https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq
https://fantasticanachronism.com/2025/03/20/how-to-be-good-at-dating/
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

Prev: >>33159115

How do I find a woman who DOES play incredibly stupid games? Nowadays I can only find ones who don't, and it's disturbing.

How do I tell a girl I like her?
I've known her for over a month now, we already had sex once, but it was awkward as we were drunk.
I met her last night unexpectedly but I got a bit too drunk again and nothing happened. I left and I didn't even hug her. I think this was a bit aspie of me but the mood just wasn't there.

I feel like she's taking longer to reply now and we're heading more towards friendship than what I want.
I asked her out for dinner and if she agrees, I want to let her know that I like her and basically would like to be in a relationship without it sounding autistic.
How can I express my feelings to her without making it uncomfortable for either of us?

>>33183295
Also, I should mention it was really her that made the first move on me. She grabbed my hand when we were together, complimented me etc. Has me saved as "*my name* hot" in her phone. I'm not being delusional for trying to gf her, right? I don't want to appear like a sleazy guy not being able to take a hint that she doesn't want me anymore.

>>33183295
My time, son

>How do I tell a girl I like her?
You don't untill she does it first. I understand it can feel weird, but women want to chase and win over. Dangerous vampire, criminal and such, basic female romance. Someone who loves them more than they do - dries their vaginas

>already had sex once, but it was awkward as we were drunk
Honestly, you made it awkward. Women are followers, and drunk women are horny followers. You as a leader is a compass for direction. You led into awkward

>I left and I didn't even hug her
This signals to her worst kind of rejection - rejection when she gave you her all, her survival, her intimacy risking getting pregnant with you. One night stand. Women hate that, dont do that

>the mood just wasn't there
You are the man, you have the balls, you have testosterone, you ARE the mood. Instead, you are more of unsure insecure indecisive female than she is. Its your job to be sure, to seduce her over and over again and lead her into fun and excitement. Not to follow her moods and then act like she is a hooker

>feel like she's taking longer to reply
She regrets fucking you, because you are a pussy. Women biology hates risking pregnancy with pussies, its suicide for them. On some level you are danger

>want to let her know that I like her
Women dont care how you feel, otherwise they would fuck every ugly looser from the streets, they care how you make THEM feel. Your feminine emotions sharing will make things worse

>would like to be in a relationship
So... someone doesnt want you, avoids you and you want to give them the best reward a man can get - a relationship? Step outside of situation and observe how unattractive you act, if you have to chase someone who is walking away, to commit to them possibly for life

I will stop here, you get the point. You never had a father figure in your life, your source of knowledge is your unsuccessful dating life, social circle of similar guys and media. Learn how to date, you are far behind

>>33183468
>So... someone doesnt want you, avoids you and you want to give them the best reward a man can get - a relationship?
She's the one who started making moves on me. Like we'd walk and she'd grab my hand etc. Maybe it's not so much the case anymore, but she definitely did like me.

>>33183468
>You don't untill she does it first.

>You as a leader is a compass for direction
isn't this contradictory?

Met a FWB chick through Tinder. I lost virginity to her (at 27) and she was very cool and understanding and honestly comfortable to have sex with. Overall we both told each other that we are FWBs and that if one side catches feelings we should tell instantly.
She's also kinda "almost bi" as she says as she will make out with her female friends when drunk and often "joked" about introducing me to some.
Also last time we met we talked about girls and my success with them (it got better, got approached and exchanged Insta with an actual 10/10 chick, but after one date it seems like it didn't really work out) and she literally told me that we need to go to a club and we will find a chick for me and i joked that maybe some threesome will happen and she was like "why not".

Question is - where is the red flag? Like, there is a red lamp constantly lighting up at the back of my head that something is not right or will blow in my face. Anyone with more experience can pitch in? Should i just go into it and let it happen or dip out?

>>33183188 (OP)
>htgwg/ -
Finally, someone put the dash

What's our thoughts on how many FWBs its ok for your gf to have while you're dating?

>>33183607

>>33183615
I kinda want my future wife to be experienced, but I don't know...

>>33183626
It's a normal function of the human body, but I alsi feel kind of funny about my girl doing it with other men while we're dating...

I think telling girls I'm a freelance artist and I'm catholic (who's waiting till marriage) is putting off girls. Maybe.
Should I just lie? I'm really not good at that.

I'm going out to a couple musical events soon
I want to find a low self-esteem girl and fuck her good. Looks and approach aren't a problem for me.
What should i look for to spot one? Both looks-wise and especially in her personality and behavior.
And most importantly, how should i act to bag her?
I don't give a shit if i sound creepy and predatory, I'm horny as fuck and girls like that make me even hornier.

>>33183631
The problem is everyone in america seems to be on the same page about this anyway. Maybe I should try abroad?

>>33183637
Let's get this party started

>>33183633
>telling girls I'm a freelance artist
Just be honest and tell them you're longterm unemployed.

>>33183641
>ha ha
well they already think that. that's the issue. Truth is I make more money than them

>>33183607
The vast grand majority of people would agree 0.
Don't base your opinions off a couple retards on reddit.
These particular people sound like they're 18 year old spoiled cunts (also not the universal norm). They will get off their bullshit the moment some guy does it to them and they realize it kinda hurts.

>>33183654
You're only dating school girls?

>>33183484
Classical male psychology. You operate based on subjectively perceived past and project the future. Women (children and animals) live in the now. How they feel now, changes past present and future for them

The sooner you accept that, the happier you will be. She made moves on you IN THE BEGGINING. Because she didnt know you yet. Then, word by word, action by action, you changed her mind

Her feeling back then are real. Her feelings now are real. You are the source of these feelings

>>33183486
On the surface yes. In reality no. If you are the true leader, you have true value, you never lead with your feelings

Imagine you as a boss of a company, and her as an employee. When would a boss pour his feelings to the employee? Please dear employee, I like you so, dont leave the company, you are the best we ever had! - this can only come of company being powerless. Women are very sensitive to confidence, subjective power and sexual market value

You are the leader for your wants, while understanding the solipsistic nature of people and rules of the game. Ahe should worry if you like her, she should guess where your feelings are, she should chase feminine things like emotions, commitment, labels and affection. Then as an employee she will FEEL in THIS MOMENT that this is the best company she can work at, so she is winning the game of survival

You can see it in the original post story. She chased the guy, she is powerless, she is wet and happy. Now the guy is chases her, reinforcing her feeling, that she can do better

>>33183671
just relax guy

A girl randomly texted me after a month of radio silence. I asked if she was coming to a certain party, which she confirmed. However, she brought an uninvited friend and never talked to me. She wasn't obligated to come, drove her own car, and stayed really late. I think this was a taunt.
I went to a Catholic meetup, but I was monopolized the entire time by a guy. I learned about a Catholic speed dating event, which I was pretty excited for until I learned that they'd temporarily frozen registration for men, which obviously means that there weren't enough interested women. I'm going to have to do this the hard way by going to the church's young adult group.

Finally, while helping my dad shop for groceries, I saw this beautiful girl working in the bakery. I'm not someone who stares at girls like a creepy pervert, but this was the first time in forever that I've actively had to resist not sneaking glances at someone. An average person may not have considered her a supermodel, but there was something about her that, in my eyes, gave off Manic Pixie Dream Girl vibes. However, I didn't say anything because cold approaches are risky, and it would be awkward with my dad there. However, while we were in the checkout line, the bag of bread burst open. That gave me an excuse to go back to the bakery alone, but I chickened out because I didn't know what I would say, although I did come up with some good lines on the way home. If the bag randomly splitting was a minor miracle, I'm going to have a lot to answer for in the afterlife for this legendary bag-fumbling event.

I haven't bothered trying any apps yet. I'd be playing them on hard mode due to living in a small town in a blue state as a Christian, libertarian-leaning conservative, secret nerd, and person with a medicated disability. I live in a blood red district, but it seems like every local girl either gets married out of high school or gets turned into a liberal at university and moves to the city.

>>33183633
>>33183654
Anon, if I can explain to girls how I just quit being a pro-gamer after 3/4 years, you can explain being a freelance artist.

Be me, 35. 6', not fat lumbersexual guy who can run chainsaws, build a house and fix cars and is uncircumsized as hell.

Just joined apps, jewish women seem to like me. One especially like classsic JAP charms and chains and from Philly... said she was down to meet what do I do?

Personally, making a younger jewish girl pay for the sins of my ex turns me on?
Any tips? I literally know no one whos jewish jewish or anything about them
Pls halp

>>33183607
I think online dating has a higher prevalence of women who sleep around a lot, since it's so easy for them to match with people. Unless you're a straight up Chad and she's mid, you're probably not the hottest guy she can hook up with on the app.

Usually the "good girls" I've found in online dating who were actually marriage material were fairly average looking and were also very careful to select for guys who would be loyal. They avoided swiping on Chads and went for "nice guys" and in the end it worked out for them.

These kind of women are actually fairly common.

>>33183892
Read Roth's Portnoy's Complaint

>>33183633
The Catholic part is a disadvantage, but being an artist should be a good thing. It's more unique than being a gamer, and it could certainly help you spice up a dating profile by including pictures of you posing with your art or even a self-portrait if you're good enough.

Where do I find cute guitar tomboys?

Fucked up a date with one that looked like pic related a year ago and still kicking myself over it a bit. Havent found one since. Yea I know I should prioritize values and compatibility over hobbies but music is super important to me and I want to see what its like dating another passionate musician. I mainly play metal and go to metal shows, so should i try going to more midwest emo kinda shows?

>>33183903
>The Catholic part is a disadvantage
Nta but how so? Ive been going to catholic church for a year now. Is it because the US is protestant and thimks catholics are dumb?

>>33184012
>dating profile
this is irl, I'm not on apps or IG
>>33183903
>>The Catholic part is a disadvantage
> how so?
I'm Portuguese. Most girls here aren't catholic, and even the novus ordu girls aren't actually catholic. I aas talking to this hot 19 who catechizes children at her parish, and she was pro-gay (love is love),and I had to explain to her Catholics are not to hook up before marriage, to which she replied: "Well I'm not a nun"
Basically they want to fuck and live together, then marry.
I'm also afraid they interpret " I'm saving myself for me wife" as
>he has a small cock
>He's a virgin
>etc
In my case, all the opposite, just love God and want to get married and start a family.

My parents and my aunt and her man went up to Seattle to pick up his daughter's car to bring it back and get fixed, and she asked, "Oh, did [me] not wanna come too?" I am so in next time she visits and stays in her room right across from mine.

>>33184012
A. Catholics are in the minority in most parts of the US, and most Protestant/evangelical people will either try to convert you or oppose baptizing your potential kids, which they need to agree to if you're going to get married in the church. It can work out, though. My Lutheran grandpa married my Catholic grandma, and my Catholic uncle is married to an evangelical.
B. Following the teachings of most major religions (e.g., no abortion or premarital sex) will alienate you from a lot of girls. "Christian" guys who get a lot of girls tend to just use it as an aesthetic. You'll see jocks wearing crosses and getting bible verse tattoos despite being totally hedonistic.
>>33184067
Same. I'm going to prioritize my morality over sex even if it means I'll never move on from 2D girls. While I obviously want sex if/when I get married, the kids and simple companionship are the more interesting part for me.

Reminder that she expects you to hit on her.

Beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

It's wild how many chicks want a babysitter rather than a partner, I say partner not in this new age sense but in the sense of an equal, someone who gets you. It's just babysitting or like having an overly clingy sister these days.

>be me 24 years old not a virgin had sex once but never had a girlfriend
>start of april start seeing a country blonde girl who i met a year ago at a party after she followed me on ig
>i liked her a lot but she had problems and it wasnt going to workout long term so i broke it off
>got scared that i might go years alone again
>shockingly the next day a goth girl comes up to me while im at the gas station and compliments my deftones shirt
>we talk about music for a bit and i get her number
>we see each other for about 2 months but it just recently ended
>she was super nice and cool but satanic and we were very different people
i dont know any other girls and besides going to the gym i dont have many hobbies. Whats the next move for me? i'm short (5'7) but handsome, musclar and i make good money as a mechanic so i have a lot to offer a girl. i talked to a few friends and they all said something a long the lines of "you're a good looking cool guy you'll find a new girl quick" but i dont really think that'll happen without me actually going out and making it happen or getting super lucky

>>33183188 (OP)
How do I attract these types if I’m not NPD? They always seem to go after abusers

>>33183188 (OP)
What do women want?

>>33186125
whatever other women want

>>33183188 (OP)
Been talking to a girl over whatsapp. Up until now I've been the one to start the conversations but she always follows along, even picks back up on comments from overnight.
I asked her out for coffee but she shut me down saying she had plans with some friends, however, she said we could do something this week AND kept talking to me after that.
What do you guys make of this? Was she just being polite telling me off?

>>33186190
What about her draws you to her?

>>33186314
Shit nigga it's hard putting it into words.
She's sporty and loves nature, same as I.
We sat together on a one week course last month. She was cute and we laughet together at shit but I thought nothing else about it.
I started seeing her in a different way when we went out drinking with the whole group and she went on a long passionate rant about how breakfast bouffets are the best shit ever. Dumb, I know, everyone loves them breakfasts, but the only other person I've heard rambling on about that with the same intensity as her is me. So that silly connection cascaded into an obsessive infatuation.
I know there's nothing super deep, but I have an interest in this girl and I'm trying to gauge if she feels the same way.
I ran this by another friend and she tld me she thinks I have a chance, though I suspect she may be saying it to make me feel good.

>>33186498
Why do you think not hanging out immediately is a bad sign right off the bat? Did your past partner(s) hang out with you at the drop of a hat?

Hopepill for the day. Once you do the looksmaxing stuff and learn game/ how to be social it really does make a difference.

Over the last 3 years, I've reached the point where I went from having zero girls to where now 4-5/10s will throw themselves at me.

So this means I'm at least a 5.5-6/10 I think. Just a little ways to go will I hit that 7-8 territory. It's possible.

>>33186603
>Why do you think not hanging out immediately is a bad sign right off the bat?
It's not that. I'm worried I may have gotten over enthusiastic and read too much into simple friendliness, and that I'm just bothering her.
For the time being i've pulled back and stopped messaging her, see if she's willing to start the conversation.
The coffee invitation was left open for this week, she's supposed to let me know when she's free. I guess I'll either be hearing from her or she'll quietly let the week pass and I'll have to take that hint.
Then again, maybe she's expecting me to ask again and I should force the issue.
Speculating on what other people are thinking is hard man

>>33183892
they're gonna take you to an art gallery and embarass you over and over by asking you what you think of paintings

recently a female coworker who I randomly made friends with told me her first impression of me is that I was "stuck up". It's not the first time I hear this, throughout my adult life I've had people tell me that I look stuck up, arrogant, intimidating, etc. meanwhile I'm just a regular guy. I try smiling at everyone especially at work but most of them don't even look at me.
how do I fix this? I don't know how to not look stuck up, I feel normal and am in a good mood most of the time (and I don't think I'm better than anyone), but this image I give off is interfering with making connections I think. what can I do?

>>33186190
>she said we could do something this week
you're fine

>>33183900
based

anyone else in their 30s feel like dating in this day and age is pointless? In my 20s i had hope and aspirations and believed i could meet someone but now I dont see it happening.

This tan I've been getting from all the walking I do outside is making me look worse, it just doesn't work well with my face at all. Is there anything I can do about it? Start wearing a hat that covers my face from the sun?

>>33187086
>dating in this day and age is pointless?
Perhaps, but what are you going to do?
The way i see it you can either:
a) keep trying and hope to get somewhere eventually
b) resignate to die alone
c) get hookers

>>33187086
>anyone else in their 30s feel like dating in this day and age is pointless?
There's a reason why dating in your thirties is such a dreaded meme. It genuinely does suck because you're supposed to have gotten married and have kids by now. We're the leftovers.
>>33187166
Note b and c are not mutually exclusive options

Is it ok to ask a girl if she's seeing other guys after the third date or so? Or does it come off as insecure? Met her on Hinge and I like her a lot so far but I'm admittedly a little sensitive.

>>33186882
The fact that she tells you that this was her FIRST impression of you implies that you actually aren't stuck up, atleast when actively interacting with people. But there seems to be something that you might not be aware of. It might be your resting face, aura, vibe or whatever. All I can tell you is that you think about what that could be, because the more people tell you something like this the less likely it becomes that it was just random, the common denominator here is you after all. Maybe ask your new friend what she thinks?

>>33187788
I wouldn't ask it like that. Rather more like the what are you looking for/what are we angle. But in my opinion the woman is the one to start that conversation and you just have to be present to make her want to ask. You have to show that's what you want and lead the interactions into that direction without explicitly saying it so she already feels like she knows the answer before she asks you because women can't handle rejection.

Went on date #5 with a girl, only a few kisses and no heavy petting. Still no sex. Think there is not enough chemistry.

How do I tell her I want to stop? Is it OK by text?

>>33188754
yeah, better to get it over with fast and clean

I often noticed that obnoxious/pervy guys get ton of women attention, even if they don't look that good. I am confident i'm good looking (had compliments from women and i'm fit), but i guess i'm too reserved as a person in a way around women sometimes. It's fine if i don't care about them. How do i fix that?

>>33183188 (OP)
Are men like pic rel losers in denial or do people REALLY not care as much? I think pic rel either already gets sex easily or is coping and trying to appear more "mature". What does everyone else think?

t. Virgin 23 year old. Hate myself for it.

>>33187829
>Maybe ask your new friend what she thinks
she thinks that I seemed stuck up at first, and now she thinks it's justified because according to her I'm "naturally good at everything". doesn't really help with the perceived ego. she proceeded to inflate my head by rattling off my good traits and how I'd actually be JUSTIFIED in being arrogant and feeling superior (I don't I have huge self-esteem issues and am generally quite neurotic). so I don't know.

I thought smiling more and trying to talk to people would help but it hasn't.

>>33189334
I wouldn't really say you're a loser if you havent had sex until 23. i lost my virginity at 23 but i focused a lot on my body, career and mental health. the first two girls i bagged were shocked i was so inexperienced and they both just assumed i had a ton of hoes. I think for a lot of gen z guys its there if they really want it but they just want it to come to them. also dont hate yourself for it.

>>33189334
>t. Virgin 23 year old. Hate myself for it.
Dont hate yourself for it anon, who cares? If youre thinking you hate yourself because you havent had sex, youre saying you value sex over your happiness. You should want a healthy stable relationship with someone you can spend your life with. I lost my virginity at 21, and spent 8 years just hooking up until I finally got a gf. No its not a brag, it was pretty bad and damaging. My first relationship was overall really great, and Im glad it happened. Sure sex is cool, but without the relationship its meaningless. Prioritize yourself, creating a fun life for yourself,getting to know people, and relating to them and when you get a gf itll be 10x better than just losing your virginity to someone.

>spent the entire day with a girl, 3hrs driving and day at a renn faire yesterday
>she agreed to go out next weekend
Sweet. What should we do next weekend?

>>33183298
>Has me saved as "*my name* hot" in her phone.
She sounds like she fucks guys she thinks are hot, you had sex with her (poorly if you were drunk) and acted like a sperg. If you want a relationship with someone this isn't how you do it. And girls who want relationships don't act like this.

>>33189366
Why did you say in your first post that you feel normal and then turn around to say you have huge self-esteem issues? No offense but that doesn't align for me lol. All I could tell you is that you should learn to have compassion and love for yourself. I'd recommend TWIM Meditation, maybe it will be effective for you.

I normally keep a serious straight face on and avoid holding eye contact with random women because I was worried it was creepy. However the other day I was talking with a friend and I was smiling while talking, and while still smiling I noticed a women walking towards me. She saw me smiling at her then she smiled back and we held eye contact.

That moment made me realize how easy it's been this whole time. You literally just have to smile at women, and they smile back?

Does anyone do this? Like just lightly smile at women when you see them? How do they usually react? Do they get creeped out? Is it abnormal? I want to try this more often but I'm honestly just afraid of being seen as a creep. I'm not a bad looking guy and I'm fairly fit so I at least have that going for me.

>>33190349
Yeah, I do it tons, and they almost always smile back. The only ones that didn't, I noticed, were a couple of zoomettes that kept staring at me, so I don't know if it was out of shyness they didn't smile back? They didn't think they were looking good enough at that moment? idk, as most zoomettes have smiled back as well. Oh and there were a couple who smiled but looked away at the same time, that was odd.

But I've fairly good looking so your mileage may very

I have my first date with a girl: Anons, today I'm going for a walk with a girl for the first time. What should I do and say so as not to seem autistic?

>>33190978
You should talk about ants

I can't get myself too talk too girls irl. Like i can have small talk with guys in my sport club. But when i try to talk the women it is harder like it doesn't feel like a anxiety thing. Like i wanted to give this girl a compliment but i just couldn't physically get myself to say it? And just left. Is their a word for this? What could cause this?

>>33190998
Seems to me like you feel you're approaching them with ulterior motives and you tense up as if you're about to lie to them.

If a woman or anyone makes you feel alone, don't date them.

>went on three dates with a girl
>message her the day after our last date, she responds
>I wait like 4 days to message her again asking what's up
>it's been like 5 days with no response
Either I'm getting ghosted or she's showing me she doesn't appreciate me waiting that long to text. Should I swing her another message or should I sit tight?

>>33191937
kek what a retard, no girl who’s interested ghosts you for 5 fucking days

>>33190998
>Is their a word for this? What could cause this?
beta male

How to not get limp dick when it comes to sex? The last two times I've had sex, I've had trouble getting it up.
>not a virgin, even before these encounters.
>not ED, I certainly don't have issues getting hard in general and it hasn't been that way with women I've had sex with in the past (most recently in March.)
>not porn (cause I don't consume it) or jerking off too much cause I'd not cum for probably a good week before sex
>I am a normal weight for my height and exercise daily.
These last two occurrences were hookups with two different women. Tbf I am not well versed in casual sex, but I get an appetite for it and need something more than my hand to satiate me. Oh and I am 30 years old for reference.

>>33191937
>Should I swing her another message or should I sit tight?
Definitely write her again dude

>>33191937
>>I wait like 4 days to message her again asking what's up
>>it's been like 5 days with no response
NINE days anon? You should be seeing a girl you're dating at least weekly. And communicating reguarly at least to schedule dates. Move on.

How bad of an idea is having sex with this woman? She messaged me first ‘you’re a bad baby’

>>33192726
>79 km
Nah, too far

>>33192872
Im in a rural area ignore that part

>>33192726
>33
>That description
Yellow lights, anon
I'd say you steer clear unless you find her REALLY hot

>>33191015
That makes sense, i have no problem making small talk with guys. But i feel small talk often leads to nowhere though... maybe thats why i feel like i need to do something extra.

>>33192044
I get limp dick the first 1-3 times with a new woman, some people are simply not built for hookups

I've been seeing a girl for nearly 2 months. Would it be gay to give her a card expressing my affection for her on our next date?

>>33193637
same here
how do you get the girls to stick around?

I've been meaning to try out dating apps and sites again but am unsure which to start with, looking for a long term relationship. I haven't had much luck with them in the past, only a few matches because my profile sucked (my pics and bio/prompts). Has anyone put together a definitive guide of what works and doesn't work, how to frame it best, etc. for the best results? I'd like to meet women in person too and have been meaning to go to Church but am still researching and reading up on denominations in my area, and am currently a slug sitting at home with no social hobbies. I'm caught in a rut and need to break out

Am I stupid for thinking that dating girls is a waste of time? I honestly don't understand who would like something like that. I like talking with people, but I'd rather focus on other things in my life. Am I autistic?

>>33185966
e-girls are getting google pixels now, the recession is finally here

Getting women is luck-based and fate-based.
/thread

wish me luck for 1st date. I should try and kiss her as soon as possible right?
but what if it's in a public area and there are kids around

>>33193804
I don't have a guide but it's better to be genuine with the info you put there because women will see it and assume you have a certain lifestyle. if you seem too ambitious you will miss the more relaxed women that are way easier to date

I usually wear overhead headphones when I go out, didn't today and got a LOT more stares from women, are headphones really that off putting?

>>33195224
I'm going to be wearing a brown cap and green overalls to help me switch up my game a little bit

>>33190587
Is it like a light smile with no teeth showing, or teeth showing?

>Oh and there were a couple who smiled but looked away at the same time, that was odd.
I think that's just shyness, one of my coworkers has a crush on me and when I smile at her or even just nod at her she gets this huge smile then immediately looks down (trying to hide it?)

>>33195425
Light smile no teeth. Let's discord videochat and I'll show you :D

>>33183468
>>33183679
Holy shit. This guy is fucking good, really good fucking advice in an easy to digest format, props to ya

>>33195299
Don't think it's the headphones bro.

>>33192726
The likelihood that she baby-traps you is high. 3/10

I think the next date will be dinner then bowling. Good idea?

>>33195977
Then what? I wasn't dressing any different

>>33196078
I'd go bowling > dinner.

>>33196081
Demeanor? Your look? Your expression? There's thousands of variables. What kind of looks were they?

>>33183188 (OP)
So I matched with a woman 20 years older than me (24 & 44).
Her profile is basically blank, so I sent her a generic "Hey, nice to meet you. How are you doing tonight?" and she sent me "hi ".
I'm in Japan, but I feel like if a woman of her age matches with someone of my age, she just wants to fuck, right? How should I approach this? Because idk wtf to say now.

>>33196174
All positive ones, actually put me in a good mood

>>33196281
Talk to her dumbfuck

>>33196324
The prolonged look/almost a stare? Did you do anything with these looks?

>>33195985
I'm 21 and kind of a loser. You think she'd have that in mind?

>>33196514
Sometimes, and no, some I wasn't sure if they were underage or not, some were way too old, but I mean, what would you even do, it's passing eye contact

>>33196580
> psycho in profile

>>33196620
I just don't see what I have that'd she'd want. Also this feeld, so an explicitly sexual dating site. I'm sure she could find many many people to babytrap

>>33195224
update: I made out with her pretty hard and secured the second date.
thank you everyone for your support

Girl I’ve been seeing for the past 2 months practically blocked me from everything for going to my sisters graduation. Her reasoning was I put myself in a situation where there were other girls around. She is very insecure and knows this. Had me update her everywhere I went (pictures, videos, what kind of girls are around) one time I didn’t answer her calls because I was sleeping and she left me a voicemail crying asking where I am and she can’t believe she gave me a second chance (first time she caught me lying about the conversations I was having with my bros, made it seem like they were good guys) anywho yeah I’m blocked, it’s been maybe 4 days since we officially ended it I guess. She left up a playlist on Spotify with 3 songs that are pretty much about heartbreak. What do? As fucked up as it sounds I like her. She doesn’t go out at all. Plays vidya. And is really fun when things are alright.

Men have declared spiritual jihad on women and it shows as they slowly begin to lose it. This is it anons, the real gender war has begun, not the fake one with countless pronouns that is being shilled everywhere in the media, but the real gender war between man and woman.
Women are about to learn a harsh lesson.

Don't talk to women, don't help them, don't ask them out, don't have dating apps, don't interact with them. If a woman approaches you be nice and respectful but do not flirt or overtly joke, treat them as an equal man and then leave after the reason for the conversation is over. If a girl comes up to you and flirts kindly turn her down, if she asks you out suddenly say no thank you, don't make up a reason she only has agency because of some external reason not because she likes you. Be vague when talking about your life or weekend plans, anything you do or do with them like hooking up will be picked apart and analyzed by her and her online friends. You are a traitor and not helping anyone if you fall for their tricks.
If men can't display a modicum of power over society, this world and women, then I guess they don't hold much power at all.

>>33197448
Uh, I guess do it old school and go to her place and try to make it right.

>>33196174
>I'd go bowling > dinner.
Hmm OK thanks

>>33196641
Forced alimony. Think with your head, not your dick. If you're considering her as an easy lay, you have bigger problems to deal with.

>>33197448
What >>33197685 said, but you have to be clear she has to work on her insecurity. There are women everywhere, they can't be avoided.

woke up and looking really good today :)

my mom bought me one of these since I do a lot of walking and it's been sweltering outside and I'm constantly sweating, which doesn't look great. What do you think? Look ridiculous to wear or nah? Kind of looks like having headphones around the neck, so that helps.

>>33199121
Those are super common in Asia. Wear it or don't wear it, but your mom is based.

>>33199381
Oh really? Interesting, that's helpful to know. And yeah, she's great, very kind of her to be lookin' out for me, even for something as ostensibly minute as me walking outside.

I want to message her but I have no excuse to do it. Is it weird if i just ask her how was her day?
I have this irrational fear that sending her a message about nothing at 9 pm is going to telegraph that I'm into her. Which I know it is a stupid fear to have since that is precisely what I want to communicate to her.

I noticed an interesting pattern with women and am curious if other anons see it too. Specifically, when women are attracted to you, they seem to become almost motherly. Like they want to help you, take care of you, etc.. Here are some examples:

- Ex gf used to give me massages every night
- Girl at work who has a crush on me would do random little things to help out - once when we were all eating, she saw I had leftovers and then completely unprompted she found a takeout box for me and excitedly told me where she found it and that now I could take them home. It was super cute lol
- Was doing a rooftop bbq with some friends and I wanted some water but didn't know where to look. A girl in our friend group saw it was empty then grabbed it and said she'd find me some water, she seemed excited to help. And I was like "oh I don't drink tap water" and she's like "oh well here's some filtered water in my Stanley if you don't mind that I drank from it!" and she poured it for me. Then later when I was grabbing a beer, she got up out of her seat and stopped me and was like "oh wait those are warm, there are cold ones here!" It was funny because I wasn't even talking to her, she got up out of her seat a few feet away. And finally if I'm ever holding any trash or something she would grab it from me and dispose of it for me

Is this just women being women, or am I right that when women are attracted to someone, they become "motherly" or however you would describe the prior encounters? Personally, women were never nice to me like that back when I was fat.

I've been meaning to try out dating apps and sites again but am unsure which to start with, looking for a long term relationship. I haven't had much luck with them in the past, only a few matches because my profile sucked (my pics and bio/prompts). Has anyone put together a definitive guide of what works and doesn't work, how to frame it best, etc. for the best results? I'd like to meet women in person too and have been meaning to go to Church but am still researching and reading up on denominations in my area, and am currently a slug sitting at home with no social hobbies. I'm caught in a rut and need to break out

>>33200373
Yes, but as a very childish person, those are also the kind of girls and women I'm attracted to, so that could be it too. I'm sure there are lots of women of the opposite persuasion, where they act more childish.

>>33191937
Sorry everyone's being so mean to you anon. She's not interested. Or she fell into a coma. Which one is more likely? Just move on. This is what it's like dating nowadays, women aren't capable of communicating when they're not interested.

>no answer IS an answer

Could I please have some advice on scheduling a second date?
We're going back and forth on what day works, and she rejected the day I said and offered her own. I feel like if I agree with the first thing she says, I'll look too needy.
Better to push it out further so it looks like she's not that important to me?
But the day she offered is the day she won't have work in the morning ... meaning I would have a better chance of getting sexual with her.
And if she doesn't get it from me, who is she getting it from?
But if she knows that I know this, and I still postpone, she'll know that I'm totally fine with not getting her p-word right away... women psychology is interesting and I think that might help my chances.
overthinking it?

I shouldn't be telling any of you this but knowing a bit about horoscopes is a huge cheat code especially with latinas and artsy white chicks. you don't have to believe any of that shit you just have to know a little bit about it and be able to discuss your charts.

>t. fucked like 8 art hoes after talking about our signs and the planets

free game for you incel ass niggas.

>>33201303
kek

When people reply with "Oh I can't, how about X time/day?" it's not a powerplay, it's because they like you and want to make it work. Just say yes and go with the flow. Or say no and ruin the whole thing, what do I care

>>33201303
>But the day she offered is the day she won't have work in the morning
if she specified this then she's looking to get dicked. otherwise it's 50-50.
just take it, you have nothing to lose now. the very fact that she offered an alternate date instead of blowing you off outright is a good sign that she's interested. you're overthinking it, just pull the trigger.

I matched with serious cutie pie on bumble but I stupidly said hi instead of responding her opening move and she never replied, I goofed up bad or she wasn't really interested

>>33201379
she's gonna reply bro she's just having a little sex it's not big deal. she'll reply soon big man.

>>33201398
can't wait!

I just started talking to someone; she's pretty hot but has two kids. I asked her out and we have a date next week but it definitely seems like her time is very limited outside of kids/work. What should I expect? She has on her profile that she has a high sex drive

>tfw on heroin I'm fun and confident and attract tons of girls
>tfw now sober and anxious and boring

it's funny because I'm better looking now. goes to show personality really is the key. welp, i'm screwed

>>33201346
>>33201353
I'm pretty sure she does like me a lot, that's why this whole thing of making her think I have second thoughts works. it's all about making her put in the effort i know it will take to make this work long-term.
does that make me a psychopath? i don't know. we live in a psychopath world these days. I just know that girls can smell desperation and all that, and I won't lie to you guys I am a bit desperate. I haven't been with a woman in 6 years. I think what I'll do is postpone but also offer another day. Not trying to completely disregard you because I really appreciate you taking the time to respond with your input

Also I have a secret weapon with this girl. Her friend likes me too and wants to go on a date with me. I think that if I'm mean to the friend while being nice to the other girl, they'll inevitably chat and it will make her feel special and like me more. thoughts?

Let bygones be bygones.

>>33201527
Her suggesting another day to hangout *is* her making the effort, you psycho

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cFyBJaoNyGY

>>33201577
you know what I think you're right.
and she asked me on the first date to begin with which must be excruciating for a woman to do. that's more than enough in my eyes
Thanks for the dose of perspective my friend

>>33201625
I'm glad I got through. Best of luck and have a good time.

>>33201632
I greatly appreciate it

Men, would you consider dating a woman 10 years your senior?

>>33202123
If she had money.

>>33202123
Saw a 20 yo something guy on news who dated a 50 yo and 70 yo. Both were rich women.

>>33201583
:(

>>33202345
>>33202162
Money aside. It's unlikely she would want to be with you anyway if you were below her in SES.

>>33202385
Well, I'm really good-looking and am very smart, so I'd basically be her fling. But yes I've got nothing else going on at the moment, which is why I stick to younger girls because they don't mind I still live with my parents.

Since I have nowhere else to complain: man, I wish I still lived in Portland. Riding the bus and walking around in public in that city, you run into and have the opportunity to meet young, beautiful, and smart (because of all the colleges/universitie; so many great girls going to Portland State, Portland Community College, University of Portland, and a bunch of other schools) women on a daily basis. Now that I've moved across the river into Vancouver, this rarely happens anymore, partially because of where I live and because since a higher percentage of people here drive, most of the people you meet on the bus are, no offense, often the dregs of society.

There are some days I wanna just spend the entire day in Portland riding the bus, reading, and meeting people, but it's hard to date someone who lives in another city when you don't drive.

I know, I know, "you ride the bus to meet women?" but it genuinely works if you're attractive -- if you live in a decent city, give it a shot. Anyway, thanks for letting me complain. I'm sure I'll meet someone in this city...

>>33202385
It's the same idea how ugly bastard men use money to trade in and sleep with beautiful or underage youths. A transaction between money and youth.

>>33202449
>if you live in a decent city, give it a shot
They initiated?

>>33202466
I experienced the entire range you could imagine. Some said hello or asked a question to start a conversation, some smiled, some looked over constantly with "the look" to make it obvious they wanted you to approach them, some would sit in your vicinity all the time (again hoping you'd approach), and then there were some shy ones who really didn't wanna be overt at all but if you smiled at them, they'd give a flirty smile back. The best advice I can give is get really good at scanning the entire bus as soon as you get on, knowing where everyone is, and watching everyone who gets on: if they find you attractive, you'll notice a certain look they'll give you when they first see you, whether you're the one getting on or them, and then you're in business. Sometimes they miss you and don't notice you until mid-ride, and in that case, you kinda have to be good at noticing if they're looking your direction, whether in your peripheral vision if you wanna play it discreet or if you wanna make your attraction obvious by looking at them a bunch and hope they reciprocate. In my experience, in these situations, if a girl isn't attracted to you whatsoever, they outright just won't look at you unprompted for any reason at all unless, I don't know, you have a clown mask on or something, and even then. Point is, if they're lookin', odds are you've got an in.

I wish I could worship a young adult white womans feet but they want tens of thousands of dollars for it if you are white. I try cold approach to get a date with white women but they always reject me. I’m tall and white.

>>33201296
Well, I've decided to send one more message, some casual shit. If she responds, cool, if she doesn't, them's the breaks. I have other prospects but I'm also getting hit with that sunk cost feeling. Plus ghosting people after the third date when she's a psychologist is some weak stuff

>>33201344
That's some real stuff right here. You'd be surprised how many women care about zodiac signs and whatnot

>>33200373
Yes this is often the case-they become more caring. It's simply a way to show that they like you.

>>33201344
I was at my coworkers place and she starts talking about signs and shit. I'm pretty skeptical, but she correctly guessed that I was a Libra, which was oddly fascinating. Great lay too.

>>33202123
Sure. Why not

>>33200373
then my ex must of hated me
she became childlike instead of motherly
like she wanted me to take care of her
and look out for her
and pamper her

but I definitely prefer the motherly type
it's over

Met a 10/10 girl at a party, we hung out with my friend group and exchanged socials. I asked her to meet next week and she agreed. However, since she's a total bombshell, she gets hit on by other guys everywhere she goes. She said it's pretty annoying and she's glad I didn't pull any moves on her in the club (idk how I even started talking to her cause I was pretty drunk at that time.) How do I actually pull any moves on her when we meet, while not seeming too pushy? Also, since I didn't exactly frame it as a date, I'm worried of ending up in the friendzone. Other thing I'm not sure about is whether I should text her some random shit occasionally till we meet up, or just text her like day before to talk logistics.

>>33204010
>or just text her like day before to talk logistics.
That's what I prefer to do.

Whenever I join an app, I just swipe left on every woman. I feel like I'm too misanthropic to bother dating a bunch of women I don't like just to find one I do. Sometimes I just happen to meet women I like, but because it's so rare for me, I become obsessed with them and am completely devastated when it doesn't work out. Idk what to do... Do I just need to suck it up and date a bunch of women I have no interest in until I find one I like?

>>33204010
Take it slower get to know her then convey that you fell for her personality and the vibes between you two. Dont disregard her looks you also think she's pretty but just a pretty face doesn't interest you too much, you need good chemistry to feel a spark.

>>33186190 here. Been over a week since I ask her out and tomorrow will mark a week since we last talked. It's not looking great guys, I'm torn between taking the hint or texting her one last time at the risk of comming off too pushy.

>>33204959
So when she said you could go this week you didn't set a date?

>>33204971
I did not. How fucked am I?

>>33205017
50/50 I don't know her.

Do you guys prefer duct tape or zip ties?

>>33205255
When you have enough charisma you can let the implication alone do the binding

I live in the midwest. What avenues are the most reliable for hunting MILFs?

>>33205255
Duct tape is hotter but thats just me

How are you supposed to meet women naturally? I can't just walk up to a girl and ask her out.

>>33205589
meet through friends/ people at parties or social gatherings - go up and ask then. or go to club but they might reject

The women in the Hispanic houshold at the end of the block keep saying hello to me as I walk by, even offered me a popsicle the other day

>>33205589
see: >>33201583

Read for two hours at the library and nearly every girl gave me the lingering look of desire. Shit, I must be getting more attractive. Shame I have no game. At least I can pride myself on knowing there's all these girls I could hookup with if only I had it.

Im 29 and have no single women in my social circle. None of my hobbies involve women either. Not sure how this happened. What do l do. Where do l meet women and do l overcome having zero women in my life. Only ever dated in highschool and only had sex once.

>>33205813
So just cold approaching? I tried dating apps and they do not work for me (kinda)

>>33202853
I don't think that's a bad sign necessarily. I think there's an element of personality like >>33201123
said. One thing that all 3 women in my examples have in common is they're very motivated, responsible and successful career women. So I think responsibility is just a core part of who they are.

I think a woman regressing to child like behavior means she's feeling safe and comfortable around you.

I met a girl 3 months ago while travelling and we've fallen in love, but I suddenly want to marry her, am I retarded if I ask her? Should i just bring it up lightly and joke about it? I've never felt like this, i've had 4 long term relationships before where I was an asshole and never considered marrying the girls because I always thought they were under my league. This girl is way up and out of my league I have no idea why she loves me like this. I want to keep her, but I dont want to come off as fucking insane.

>>33206061
Yes you are retarded if you ask. No, do not propose to her.

>>33205829
This is also me , trust me bro , if you can't close the deal verbally , it was never a real offer. What you're seeing is the "looks can get you in the door" part there is still 100 icks after that to clear , they aren't going to grovel just cause you look good.

>>33206804
Why you tryna' shoot a brotha' down

>>33206812

to prevent you from daydreaming into thinking you're something you are not. Take more action and get concrete proof.

Half those looks? attention seekers at best, other quarter? Just needed some eye candy but are taken, etc etc

but you dont know this when you're just making up stories in your head.

>>33206812
He’s being real, you still need to approach women and know how to talk to them even if you’re attractive.

can anyone help? >>33206500

>>33206830
take some responsibly self- administered methamphetamine for a few months

>>33205872
Start swiping

>match with a girl on Tinder
>looking for new friends tag
>on Tinder
Last week I've hooked up with a girl who had "looking for new friends" tag, this week I have another match who has the same tag, but when questioned, she said that "she's open to anything, really". She wants to drink coffee and not wine though, so I might be wrong this time. Still, none of the girls from Tinder I had ONS with had appropriate tag, it was always something else

>>33189846
>>33189334
Love is an invention of normie cattle, girls accept only normie cattle, they will leave you or will not even contact you after finding out that you are ugly, short and most importantly have a small penis, to hell with such a society and girls, it is better to live alone

>>33189475
It's pointless, on smalldickproblems girls are like cattle, they don't care about you if you don't meet the normie standard, lying scumbags are always gut, this guy from the screen is right

>been in 3 relationships, had 1 fwb, and 1 ons through dating apps
>if I see a woman I like in real life I freeze up and can't even look her way
I was at some mandatory course a few days ago full of women, some stood out that I really liked and I was downright mesmerized by one. She was tall, around 6'1-6'2 (I'm 6'4), dressed modestly, rocked a natural look, and I liked her manners and they way she spoke. Things I would never notice on an app.
But I couldn't even really look at her directly, I instantly turned away and pulled out my phone whenever she turned to my general direction.

I had a phase where I went clubbing every weekend for over a year and I never got a number or date that way either.

I just instantly assume that I have no chance and turn back to the safety and certainty of the apps with likes and matches.
I've only ever dated mentally ill women and it's most definitely because of the apps, so it makes me kinda sad that meeting someone out in the real world feels impossible.
I don't think I ever could've gotten laid if I was born in an era without smartphones.

>>33207842

>>33206812
I too get a lot of looks anon. Good for the ego sure but our looks just give us a slightly easier time getting our foot in the door. You end up deluding yourself by thinking you already got her or something when there’s still a lot more work to do before a hookup. Honestly I think my looks are more of a hindrance at this point because I get in my own head wondering whether I actually have game or if my face did all the work for me.

girl i went on a couple of dates with was on holiday for three weeks
on our last date i told her to text me when she gets back
she only said "we'll talk"
she's been back for over a week now and i haven't heard from her
is it just over? didn't think she was the type to just disappear

>>33208946
You should have told her to send you some holiday pics while she's there instead of telling her to message you when she gets back.

>>33208993
well, she dodged it anyways by giving me the vague "we'll talk"
it's just that i'm always the one reaching out and i thought this was an opportunity to see if she'll put in some effort

Hello Anons, how do I make someone more of a man? I'm a man, I have faced difficulties with money, asked women out, faced everything and I turned out great. I have a friend, she got married to this guy, he is filthy rich, sheltered, never learnt how to drive / ride. Always driven around, never faced any difficulties, just a soft boi. He is 31, she is 27, how do I make this guy more manly? I've asked him to start lifting weights or join a MMA gym. How do I help anons? He just learnt to drive btw.

>>33209017
Yeah that's true. It's probably over then. If she's not connected to you through mutuals/school/work and you're basically never going to hear from her again there's no social risks for you and you could send a message asking about the holidays at the cost of your ego I suppose. Either she rejects by ghosting, telling you straight up it's not gonna work or give some weak responses, or she accepts and the conversations start again. You'll have to decide for yourself if you want to do that or just forget about her and start looking for a new girl.

>>33209173
>If she's not connected to you through mutuals/school/work
she is, which makes it extra weird to me, since we're going to run into eachother sooner or later

>send a message asking about the holidays at the cost of your ego I suppose
meh, i don't want to chase her, i've done that enough in my life

>>33187086
Why don't you just date younger?

>>33209402
i would if i could but i dont have many opportunities to meet anyone let alone younger girls

>>33187086
Kinda, I think it could happen, but yeah

I made a thread about this, but u just wanted to put in here too in case anyone has any feedback:

I was dating this woman for a few months, and she recently dumped me, around 6 weeks ago. She just invited me to her birthday party, a few days ago, and I’m wondering whether that might indicate any possibility of rekindling the romance. Ive gotten some decent advice on these things before on /adv/ so i'm wondering if anyone has any advice for what I should do or perspective on the situation,


We had great sex and connection and the dumping was totally unexpected. There was no tension or anything bad between us. She just started pulling away, then i asked her what was going on. Her response was that she really cares about me, i’m the best guy she’s dated, but that she doesn’t have the space in her life now for me because of career goals and family responsibilities. She ended her message by saying she hopes we can catch up again when life gets less busy, but i didn’t think this was really serious

Around 60 people are invited to this party, but it seems like only around 20 will come. I’m considering getting in touch and telling her i miss her, and asking whether she wants to hang out again before the party.

Is it worth reaching out again? and should I wait a couple of weeks to do it, or just get in contact today? Im seeing another woman next weekend but don't have anything on this weekend.

okay so I had this girl over last night, gut the sick duck
but, every time I tried to open her pants up she was like not today (I tried many times)
so I was like, okay I don't really need to fuck her right now, if I delay this no matter how much we both actually do want to fuck, it will work out for the better

now this bitch hasn't texted me back yet

is it over bros

>>33207099
Checked. Ive had zero luck the few times lve tried apps. Basically never get a match

ngl im tired of jorking it my whole life and i feel my youth expiring how do find a temporary gf
im severely autistic though. maybe a rave would be good (hundreds of people on x) but i dont want to catch aids on my first try
self-improvement is kinda cringe because lifting weights doesnt cure autism and people that seek social connection where they are will be healthier than people that see it as something to be had when worthy
or maybe not idk

This girl I've seen at the library a few times before walked all the way to the aisles next to where I was reading, then began browsing through the books extremely slow, lol. What is she hoping I say anyway? "Hey, looking for a good book?"

Yeah, yeah, I understand the women's job is to put themselves in situations where the man is able to approach, and she did just that, but like, I'm not some maximum charisma smooth operator who, if only I'd say hi, will say all the right things and bring the woman infinite pleasure and fulfillment.

On typing all this out, I realize I'm guilty of doing the same thing she's done before, so, uh, I guess I'm gonna stop complaining.

I've never used dating apps or services and decided to give Tinder a go a week ago. First day I got a like from a really cute girl and it was like the 4th or 5th like I got. I've gotten 15 likes now in total. Anyways, I liked the girl back and we matched we've been messaging for the whole week now and everything is going well. She's the only people I've messaged or liked. I know it's too early to say anything, but good things happen when you put yourself out there.

>>33212792
Let me know how it goes, I've been considering giving it a try too.

AI claims there is only 11 million white women age 18-29 that don’t racemix, I’m sure when you take away tans, tattoos and piercings the number is 4 million. And increase the height to being above 5’5 and it’s like 1 million. So that means most people on earth are competing for 1 million people. It’s so fucking over and AI said white women ignore because of my height, you guys say being tall is a good thing !!!

>>33183188 (OP)
Where are all the femcels at?

>>33213570
You'll find one eventually. If not, you followed your dreams the best you can.

I think I just need to hear someone reassure me to become a man and stop being so insecure and rash.
Last week a girl I'd always been interested in broke up with me and since then we've become very close, exchanged affectionate touches and we even had sexual talks.
I really like her, but she's already told me that she's afraid of hurting me because she doesn't know if she'll be able to get involved with someone again so soon.
I know that I should give her time to get over it and that we need to get to know each other better, but at the same time I'm a little afraid of getting too involved and ending up breaking my heart.

>>33213532
>So that means most people on earth are competing for 1 million people


kek such retarded logic on so many levels

How do I give my mentally ill GF an eating disorder without just straight calling her fat. She used to be thin but it ballooning up. She tends to eat when she's sad, and she's always sad.

>>33213647
Everyone wants a pale white young adult female without tattoos and piercings, they are never single.

Do not spend time worrying about your loneliness in not having a romantic or sexual relationship if you can't have it. Instead, focus on the simple things, such as how can I get better at my job, how can I fit exercising in my day, how can I study more, and how can I be more respectful. I know you're gonna chase love as your instincts cause that, but you got to focus instead on making the most out of life and that will bring you more happiness than constantly swiping (right or left?) on Tinder a million times to get your date.

>>33213964
Every year less and less pale white young adult females exist, and my chance of ever fulfilling my sexual desire to makeout with their feet grows more unreachable. Worst part is I can’t do it in heaven so I’ll be sexually frustrated for all of eternity :( this existence is suffering.

>>33204959
Shit shit shit. I messaged her last night, just said hi and asked how she was, we got talking again and she brought up the date and asked me when we can go out.
I had 0 confidence in this outcome and I have no idea what to do. Going to take her out to a bookstore cafe.
How do you guys stop second guessing yourselves every step of the way when dealing with women?

After how many dates should I ask a girl to be my girlfren?

>>33183188 (OP)
I'm attractive and talkative enough that women notice me and I have gotten with some pretty cute girls, usually because I met them through friends at parties or whatever. So getting women to like me isn't the problem, it's meeting them, as I moved to a new city for work and lost my friend group.

I need advice on how I can meet women naturally (no apps). Any activities you recommend that are conducive to meeting people? I don't care for prowling the bar or club. I'm athletic if that helps choose activities. I live in a big city

>>33215845
Look for hiking groups to meet /out/ sporty girls
You can also pick up art/acting classes

>>33204959
>>33215812
>>33186190
Just a notice for everyone: if you ask a girl to hangout and she says she's busy, if she suggests an alternative time when she's available, then she actually wants to hangout. it's when she doesn't that she's not interested

Hey girls, ya know what would work better than spotting me at the library, browsing the aisles near me extremely slowly, and maybe smiling at me as you cross between the closest ones? Actually sitting down near me or outright saying hi. I guess that's the man's job. sigh

Almost asked the kinda cute female bus driver for her number but she was just barely under the attractive threshold, her very cute smile notwithstanding. If only she had on the barest amount of makeup, it might have... madeup... the difference.

>>33216501
Truth. It can be painful, but just accept it and move on. You'll be better for it.

>>33215845
Hobbies and interests

went to an art gallery event deal today. some pretty women. i think about trying to talk to them despite how fucking crowded it is, but then I think, man I really don't want to talk to anyone. starting to think despite my improvements over the year i should just not attempt to date.

Installed Tinder for the first time today. Got 5 likes, but ran out of right swipes first so no matches, is that number good?

It's okay you are not the "finally someone normal" guy. Just keep being you and living life.

>>33183188 (OP)
I was at a vintage store the other day and looking at the clothes. There was a young girl — really cute — behind the counter running things (usually there's an old lady), and she kept looking at me, and we made eye contact a lot. At one point, when I tried on this jacket, she said it looked good on me. Was she in to me? Or was she just doing her job? I want to go back there and ask her out but I'm afraid I might’ve misinterpreted the situation.

>>33205807
hispanic women don't necessarily balloon after their 20s like people on here like to claim (and even if they do gain weight a lot of them have really good fat distribution genetics), just look at her mom and her grandma to see if she's going to go full goblina or stay slim.

>>33215843
2 or 3

I have checked out of the jewish prison bus:

>quit wagie job
>sold everything I had in my name
>all property I own is in somebody else name
>stopped renewing IDs
>stopped paying taxes
>stopped paying car insurance/plates
>free groceries and free techslop (lots of it is hidden in the back nowadays but there are still plenty on the shelves)
Fridge is always packed, I have no bills or worries.

I am free.

>>33217851
will doing this help me get a gf ?

All the good looking women who would make great wives and mothers are taken in high school and college the latest. Whatever remains is taken shortly after they enter the workforce. There exist very few good looking (7 and above) women that are single and have a good heart, are modest, raised in a decent family, soft spoken and pretty. The window of opportunity when they are single is very very narrow. These are the 2% of women, the highest stock of females this wonderful creation can offer. If you don't frequent their circles or the events they attend you have no chance of meeting them. Women also don't go anywhere alone, so whatever hobbies women have or events they attend it is done with their husband or boyfriend and if they are single with their groups of friends.

tldr; there simply aren't enough single good looking young white women to go around for everybody, they are rare and exist mostly in very niche places where men without social circles (loners) can't get in to

>>33218528
Fortunately I am exempt from being excluded from getting this type of healthy white female partner

I accidentally texted with a girl for a prolonged period yesterday and now I'm craving dating apps again. It felt good and I'm so bored with nothing to do atm because my finals are done.
I don't want to date anyone until I move out, I got an apartment, but that's two months away.
What should I do? I'm feeling a strong urge to download all of the dating apps again.

>>33218528
>wants a 7 with 10 specific, desirable traits
>is a 5 posting incel bait on 4chan
That’s your real problem.

This is going to sound counter-intuitive, but it will help you, try not to linger on the idea that women don't like you despite you liking them, okay? You are who you are and if people can't accept that you have to let that be and move on with your life despite that.

>>33218881
AI told me to racemix because white women aren’t attracted to white people.
Only white women that date white people are covered in tattoos, piercings, tans, and have a history of fucking a bunch of blacks.

>get upgraded credit card tier trial because I’m a loyal customer
>it includes a tinder gold membership
>start getting actual decent likes
Wtf do I do, I thought I’d install tinder just for the heck of it, I never expected to get actual chances to get laid. I know I’m a huge pussy but as a 26yo hkhv I find it extremely intimidating. How do i cope with being so inexperienced?

>>33218881
okay, thanks Zach :)

>>33219267
'inexperienced' is a meme. you've seen porn? you've seen sex in movies? you know what to do

>>33219267
The best cope for inexperience is getting some experience

I hit up an ex of mine last year who always said I was the most attractive guy she ever dated to get coffee and it went pretty well and because I got tired, it ended with us kissing. However, I'm pretty sure I did something that caused her to get the ick, and she didn't hangout with me again afterwards, though she was very nice about it (said something about how she wasn't looking for a relationship, when I asked her to hangout two times, and we moved on, aside from her coming by to sell me some of her meds).

Anyway, I'm feeling lonely again, and I wanna give it another try, especially because I've solved the issue which caused the ick last time so it won't happen again. Think I have a shot? Or once you give the girl the ick like that, it's over forever? I guess there's only one way to find out, but figured I'd try asking my fellow anons first.

>>33219987
Or once you give the girl the ick like that, it's over forever, even if they've been heavily attracted to you before*?

>>33192044
You're literally me. I've come to the conclusion I can't do ONS. My past experiences with ONS lead me to limp dick. Only time I've been successful is me getting to know the woman. Even then, it sometimes will take 3/4 attempts.

I also subconsciously always believe they're gonna be judging my dick and then that also makes it limp.

Hey boys. You should be like Brad Marchand. He's the coolest and he's gonna win another Stanley cup soon. What a man.

>go to bars and clubs in downtown on the weekend
>single women nowhere to be found, just dudes and couples
>drive through same downtown next week on the way somewhere
>streets are overflowing with women in pairs and larger groups of all women in tight clothes

where the FUCK are all these women when I go out? it's like the fucking universe doesn't want me to have a chance, wtf bros

Always remember most likely even though you put all your heart and soul in getting a girlfriend she is not thinking about you. She is focusing on getting through the day not you.

How real is this?

>>33221028
I notice that the white women that date blacks, cook, clean, do all chores, raise the child, and buy the black guy gifts.
Literally never see this shit with a white female white male couple.

>>33219987
If the word ick is even in your vocabulary it was over before it began. I am thinking about getting back with my ex because I am not a retarded faggot

>>33221858
lol I didn't know a better word to use for "something I did to cause a massive turn-off"

And I'm not necessarily saying get back together, though maybe, but just, y'know, hanging out, having fun for a bit.

How do I break up with someone that is beyond clingy and I'm afraid would show up to my house/stalk me? She knows where I live

Just heard the daughter of the owner of the house I live in enter her room right across from mine; she lives in another city but stays here on holidays and such. Hopefully I can make something happen. Wish me luck!

The longer I'm on this planet, the more I realize that getting a woman is pure luck. It doesn't matter who you are, how you look, what you do, it's just pure luck like a goddamn script.

>>33222761

this is actually good news , take more shots , make adjustments, improve your luck

There's like this 6 foot tall woman at the gym who goes for the picrel aesthetic, she's middle aged for sure and all she does is ass workouts which makes me respect her less desu cause it tells me she's extremely superficial and vanity driven which is not shit I could ever keep up with. She also kinda gives off extreme Jezebel energy , like she's been divorced and solely from burning her own own house down sorta thing.

So I just ignore her, very hard, like zero eye contact. The problem is, she's very hot and always hovers around me and follows me at least one station per day. I swear I heard her say "fag" as I walked by once but I didn't flinch and kept walking so she looked like the idiot, I'm going to chalk it upto her being irritated that she gets zero attention so she has to be petty.

The problem is though, im like 5 8 and she's basically a giant, it was NEVER going to work , why the fuck is she pissed? And she doesn't do this to anyone else. Do you think its worth talking or smiling at her or something?

Or is this purely attention seeking behavior from a narcissist?

>>33223109
Obsessed

>>33223122

I need a little more than that chief , clarify if you can

>>33220679
The mall.

Every time I go to the mall I usually see at least 50+ attractive women that are my type that are either alone or with a friend. The only problem is that the only time I go to the mall I'm with another girl.

>>33219267
You just need to go on dates and fail.
You need to kiss and fail.
You need to have sex and fail.

It's literally the only way to get better.

The first time I actually made out with a girl, she told me to stop because I was so "bad". DESU it was her who was bad because she was trying to eat my face.

>>33213697
There's really much not you can do. You either face the problem head on or you continue to build resentment towards your quickly-fat-becoming-girlfriend.

If she is worth it, sit her down and tell her that you've noticed that she gained a lot of weight and you're worried about her. See what she says. Realistically, you'll need to imply that you will leave her if she doesn't start managing her weight because people in general take people for granted. At the end of the day, she needs to be the one that wants to lose the weight. No amount of suggesting the gym or eating cleaner will help. High chances she doesn't fix her weight until you either break up with her or imply that you will.

>>33183188 (OP)
If a girl changes her instagram profile from public to private does that mean she got a bf?

>>33223237
I’ll never get to go on a date because they never agree to dates they either lead me on right away or reject me. I’m ghosted everytime.

>she is very laconic and blunt wouldn't be afraid to tell me to fuck off
>responds to my texts with short sentences and even ghosts me sometimes
>ok_not_happening.png
>still checks out and likes my posts anyway
What the fuck is her problem? If you want to fuck off then fuck off.

>>33223065
No, it's not. Because if luck wants to fuck ya, it will. It's like a gambling addict vs some random schmo who wins the lottery. The gambler tasks more risks, spends more money, but he ends up penniless, whereas the other dude just bought a ticket one time and hit the jackpot.

>>33183188 (OP)
how do i find girls like this?

>>33223898
The mall. Hanging outside of a high school or your local community college.

>>33223916
Im an adult so highschool is a no go. Hot Topic and college also have not yielded any results

>>33183599
Red flags mostly only apply in serious relationships you plan to spend significant quantities of time or money.

If you're just fucking around, pretty much the only real red flags are four things:
>is she gonna falsely accuse you of something?
>if having a kid with her would be catastrophic, is she vocal about wanting kids, going low or no contraceptives, or is opposed to abortion?
>Is she gonna give you an STD?
>Is she gonna cause property damage or otherwise get violent?
Otherwise, who cares about piddly shit? You're there to fuck, other details are extraneous.

>>33223898
They mostly aged out of that demo unless you're cool dating 30+ women.

Adventure time and invader zim were cool to cartoon-watching women between like 2003-2012, they hit college age between 2012-2014, and they all turned 30 this year.

If you want the start of the new batch, you need women who hit college age between 2023-2025, who did most of their watching cartoons between 2014-2023. That's gonna be watchers of
>Rick and morty
>Bojack horseman
>Steven Universe
>Miraculous ladybug
>Castlevania
>Owl house
>Spy x Family
You'll find the above at any local anime, comics, or gaming convention, or equivalent local clubs. They're pretty competitive to actually date because animation's a niche female interest, but they're there if you're down for some "odd goods".

After being alone for 35 years I met a girl that likes me, she's cute and we like a lot of the same stuff. There's hope.

>>33217837
We are going out on a fourth date soon. Last time we went to ikea and shared tendies. What are some good pepe pictures that I can send to her?
I'm not sure if asking her to be my girlfrien would be an issue because we haven't had sex yet. She's not really traditional or anything. She just wants to get to know me as a person first and I respect that. But I know that she's definitely into me physically because she likes sending nudes and whatnot.

>>33224475
why is she barefoot. the girl in the pic

Should I follow women I don't know on Instagram? I keep seeing this same girl suggested to me on Instagram and I have no idea who she is but I find her kinda attractive/interesting. Should I just follow and lurk for a bit until I come up with something worth saying? We have 3 mutuals and she has 200 followers.

Until now I only follow women I've met before.

Hey guys if I've been talking to a chick for a few days and she sent me a snapchat of some black guy she's at a bar with, should I just block her. Or should I say something to her first and then block her. Im honestly really confused as to what her motive was? Its fucking odd behavior

>>33224417
Howd you meet her. Congrats

>>33224793
Showing you she's not interested, presumably, having been the guy on the other end in the picture on many occasion.

Gonna send "Hey, feel like coming over for a drink and hanging out?" to an ex of mine, wish me luck

>>33223237
>The first time I actually made out with a girl, she told me to stop because I was so "bad". DESU it was her who was bad because she was trying to eat my face.
One thing I learned is that most people are just bad at kissing in general. Even women with experience. Someone's ability to kiss well is the best indication of how good they are in bed

>>33221072
Only if she's miserable with you and not really attracted to you. If she's satisfied though she won't care that her ex was taller or richer or has a bigger dick than you. And just because she experienced "more" than you doesn't necessarily mean she's harder to satisfy.

Women stop caring about past relationships way easier and quicker than men do. That's why people say when a woman is gone, she's gone for good out of your life.

>>33223237
my mall is crowded with beaner families and small packs of beaner teenage guys wearing designer.

so there's this mildly autistic chick who I recently made friends with and she's started spending more time around me by choice. I'm sure she has a crush on me and I could probably escalate to a sexual relationship, the problem is I don't see myself dating her and I don't want to use her just for sex.

at the same time she's probably the best chance at entering a consistent sexual relationship I've had in a while and I've been in a dry spell for ages. past experience says I need to slowly build momentum before I can build up to having several girls on rotation again, which is my ultimate goal for now.

should I take her out and then we have sex and I clarify that I'm not interested in anything more? and hope she's okay with just being fuckbuddies? this girl is very cute and sweet so I'd feel bad if I made her feel used.

>>33223416
Go for less attractive girls.
My first girlfriend was fat and ugly but it was good practice.

What should I do?
My old prom date texted me last summer out of the blue after not talking at all in the last decade.
We met up in the city for a date and traveled a distance for.
She showed up two hours late due to traffic but let me know how sorry she was the whole time.
I think she's nervous or autistic because the whole time she was giving me signs but had a tough time talking or keeping conversation flowing, letting me do the work.
At the end of the night we made plans to hang out before I drove back but she canceled for a WNBA game with her brother.
Texted her that I enjoyed my time and wanted to see her again but she never replied back. Now three months later she messages back saying how sorry she was.
Like she's hot and all but I'm seeing to many red flags here.
I'm lonely and don't get much female attention so I don't know just thinking about it over a beer at home.

>>33224557
Feet are love feet are life
>>33225423
Clarify what you want before following through on anything physical

So is the best way to approach women is to it at bars and clubs?
I’ve been trying to do it at places like the mall and supermarket but the problem is that all the attractive women my age are with their boyfriends or friends. It feels like I’m looking the wrong place to do this.

>>33225796
>Now three months later she messages back saying how sorry she was.
Did she give a reason?

Anyway sounds like she's into you but might have another iron in the fire that isn't working out. Overall I say go for it, you have a solid chance.

>>33226717
Didn't give a reason just a sorry.

That was kind of how I was interpreting it too.
Hard to put aside my mistrust of people.
Kind of think she wanted to fuck me that first night because at the end she asked where I was staying but I was too stupid to realize it since I was exhausted from the night before.

>>33226790
If you're interested, I'd pursue.

>>33223391
Or a stalker

>>33189334
>He thinks Darkwolf04 cares about getting laid.

>>33189334
All it is, is like putting your dick in a warm comfy two sets of pillows. Nothing else.

>>33207566
Probably makes them feel less 'slutty' since they can have plausible deniability and tell themselves "Oh, it just happened!"

>>33189334
If you want to know a date, all it is is just eating food with someone and talking. In all honesty I get more out of my friends than women because they tend to be quiet on the only few dates I had with them, and it was just as friends too.

>>33221072
NOT AT ALL.

The sigma male chad is strong at being funny and listening not something a personal development book could help you with.

>>33206061
Wait a year before you do that. Why rush it if you're exclusive? Give the honeymoon period a chance to die down before you make a life-altering decision.

>>33201344
>I shouldn't be telling any of you this but knowing a bit about horoscopes is a huge cheat code especially with latinas and artsy white chicks
Finally my hard work pays off

>>33201527
That's retarded. If she likes you, why are you playing games? She gave you a counteroffer, you just sound butthurt.

Today gentlemen, at the age of 27yo, I have graduated from khhv to just kv. My gf even did the thing where she hooks her arm with mine and clings a bit, she must have been waiting a long time for me to stop being such a pansy.
Who knew it was as simple as "can I see your hand for a bit"? No secret strategy or subterfuge needed.

>good chemistry with girls I don't think are that attractive
>no chemistry with girls I think are super attractive

what is going on here? is it just luck? my approach is the same.

>>33225860
yep, or meetup events
simply show up with a buddy. someone who you have good energy with, you joke around
and approach anyone near you, even dudes
make friends with people immediately
then, you can approach girls because everyone can feel you're just a guy who is sociable and friendly with everyone

>>33227825
Yea man girls are mysterious creatures
whose will and , psyche change constantly
the way they feel about you can change one week to the next
so to truly secure an attractive woman that also is into you and has good chemistry is simply a numbers game

but also, you may inadvertently be showing too much investment
usually the person who invests less into a conversation has power
and that's the person girls find attractive

>>33227814
Congrats bro!
so she's your gf and you haven't kissed? just hugged?

>>33227908
Yep, she's my gf, but we've just hugged (since last date) and held hands (since this date). It's in Japan so the rules are a bit different, hard to tell how slow is too slow here.
When I fed her my food today her lips pressed against my finger for a half second, they were so soft. I'm such a virgin, how will I ever survive an actual kiss

I stopped approaching girls who are walking and only approach girls who are sitting on benches. But I spent 3 days walking around and saw only 2 girls or something that were interesting who were sitting, blew both chances. Meanwhile I saw several girls that were walking around that I liked. None of them looked at me though. I feel like all girls avoid eye contact and purse their lips when we walk past each other now. Don't know why. It used to be at least some of them looked at me. Maybe they don't like my new style. Anyway I think I might have to start approaching walking girls again. The success rate will be lower than on sitting girls, and it will suck, but this is just not sustainable. Plus I did have a few successes with walking girls in the past.

>>33227972
Any advice?

I have quite many hours free today but I can't even be bothered to go into town. Spent 3 fucking days and MANY fucking hours walking around, there aren't as many good opportunities as there used to be, and for some reason girls never look at me now. I feel hopeless again. Had high hopes recently because after only 3 approaches in May I got a date, although she rejected me during the date. I only did 2 approaches after that, so only 5 in total this year so far. I did I think 51 approaches last year, got 6 dates, zero lays but a few makeouts and was very close to sex with one.

>>33224793
I wish I was black so I could have a pale white gf, other races are not attractive to me.
>>33225732
I do but fat feet are nasty looking and I hate fat people

>>33225233
Its getting to the point where I want to ask these chicks what the fuck im doing wrong.. I havent been able to get any pussy since I've been sober for 11 months. Its like my only source of charm was being a drunk

>>33228016
Why do you think you would need to be black for that?

>>33228023
Because every pale white non obese non tatted girl (without face piercings) I see is always with a black man or woman :(
And they avoid eye contact with me even though I’m taller than any black I’ve ever seen irl. And white women tell me white people are evil even though blacks can beat and murder white women as they please.

>>33228032
I also get accused of being a pedophile because I think 18-24 is attractive but blacks can get away with dating 16-19 and nobody says shit. I’m getting old and never got to experience my life long dream :(

>>33228032
>>33228039
I can't tell if you're trolling or severely mentally ill, but whatever you do, never leave this website. You're perfect for it.

>>33183188 (OP)
How well should I get to know this girl I have a crush on before I ask her out? There's a coworker I like and I want to ask her to get coffee with me after work but I acknowledge I should build a bit of rapport before asking her to anything.

>>33228044
Michigan, Cincinnati OH, Columbus OH, Cleveland OH, Sandusky OH, Kentucky even. I see this shit every day of my life at my job, stores, food places, malls. Beautiful teen pale white girls with clean skin and no piercings, with a black. I’m 6’8 and white and they avoid eye contact.

>>33227971
got it. Gonna give you this tip I used when I was 20 and was trying to kiss a girl I liked(she then became my gf) and I've used this technique a couple of times.
Invite her to a park, and put a blanket on the grass and lay there with her, have a picnic maybe.
At some point, get playful, or try playing some game like picrel. Push her, get rough, lay on top of her. Play twister. the goal is to brake the touch barrier and get close enough to kiss her. She wants this. Just set it up. When your faces are close and you lock eyes and she looks at her mouth and you look at hers, it's go time.
Important. Give her just a peck, a little soft kiss on her lips, and pause. Don't go all in with tongue like a sperg. Basically from that point on you should be good. So by the time you both get up, maybe just hug her and go in for a little kiss again.

>t.shy guy.
this works well, because you are making her feel like a kid again.

>>33228089
>because you are making her feel like a kid again.
You must be black, if I said this I would be accused of being a pedophile because I’m white. I had women at work try to get me fired because I said I’m not interested in adult stuff like drinking and partying.

>>33228100
obviously I mean the youthful and magic spirit of innocence we all have as kids.
idgaf about what retarded women think

>>33228111
I told women I want to date someone that’s innocent because I am too and they called me a pedophile.

>>33228100
>You must be black
Something is severely wrong with your brain

>>33228210
TND my guy, tired of the double standards and women of my own race telling me I’m evil because I’m white.

>>33227972
>>33228014
1 hour, still nothing? And no, I'm not going to stand in a busy shopping street and approach like they do on youtube, nor am I going to go to bars/clubs again.

>>33228115
>idgaf about what retarded women think
read again. Who cares

>>33228256
because it hurts my chances of getting a date if they spread lies about me being a pedophile.

>>33201344
Why exactly are Latinas into that? Aren't they usually Catholics too? How do those two things jive?

>>33228089
Got it.
We've had plenty of picnics, actually, one of my favorite date activities. Public displays of affection are pretty iffy here in Japan though, which is part of what has slowed our progress.
A private karaoke booth is a pretty common place to get frisky, which is why it's been a bit tricky to invite her to one. We might finally be headed there next date. (I genuinely do want to just sing for her though, that might actually distract me.)

>>33227814
I've kissed, hugged, and lost my virginity to women, but have not held hands apparently.

Gorgeous college-aged girl at the library I keep trading eye contact with while I'm reading. What am I supposed to do if I see her again? "Hey, I don't normally do this, but I'd love to get your number if you're interested," maybe?

What's wrong with my coworker lads? He's
>6'4"
>making 200k a year in his late 30s
>dating a single mom in her mid to late 30s
Why? What could be wrong with him? His hairline is a bit chopped, and he is around average looking but he isnt fat or anything that torpedos your dating life so what gives? Is it ever ok to date single moms if you dont have kids of your own?

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