men and women... is this true?

>>33239895 (OP)
No. Women also have a laundry list just as long. They are just told to hide it as showing your effort is "unattractive".

Men that say you need all of that generally have something very wrong with them that they are not confronting.

>>33239895 (OP)
>is this true?
No. Not even remotely. Firstly, plenty of dumpy losers have girlfriends. Plenty of unemployed, manipulative, absolutely mid dudes manage to find relationships. Anybody who has left their house knows this. Secondly, almost nobody attracts a "life partner" these days, have you seen the state of modern relationships? Point out to me where any majority of any population are thriving in stable, long term relationships? Thirdly, any worldview that advertises itself to have super simple answers for very broad and complicated questions is 100% selling you dogshit.

>>33239900
>laundry list
i kek'd that you named it like that but what can be in such a list for women? Serious question because all i can think of right now is being attractive and not cheating

>>33239950
Have you been with a woman?
How about things like, don't say stupid shit in public.
Don't hit me and think it's funny.
Don't spend all our money on dumb shit.
Don't be a lazy fuck and wallow in filth.
Stop being an attention whore.
Etc etc etc
They're people. People have issues.

>>33239895 (OP)
>Asian in america
>160cm
>Small dick
>Overweight
>Married since 2016
Explain this

>>33239950
>Serious question because all i can think of right now is being attractive and not cheating
That's on you then for not being discerning and having low standards. The question is why do you guys always blame the women for this? They're just working within the framework that you laid out for them.

>>33239895 (OP)
I won't read ATOGA escapee threads.

>>33239895 (OP)
Women have to be physically fit and hopefully win the genetic lottery and have a hot face.
Meanwhile most of the things men have to do involve hard work but are not immutable.

>>33239975
>have you been with a woman?
no, and it's part of the reason why i'm asking

>>33239985
>blame the women
i promise i don't blame the women, and i promise i don't believe the OP pic; i didn't even read half of the stuff on the left but i know where this is going. I legit have close to zero experience with women and i don't exactly know what to expect from a relationship or a partner, or what are people expecting from me to be fit for a relationship

>>33239985
also
>they're just working within the framework that you laid out for them
can you explain?

Even fat ugly whores get a lot of attention these days. So yes.

>>33240051
Then I'll help explain, for starters people (women) don't expect half as much out of you as what people think, besides maybe not being a total defeatist sperg. So right off the bat, that eliminates OP and everyone else who keeps spreading it.
And for the second part, what to expect from a partner, well like tends to attract like so if you carry yourself well and have good standards for your own appearance and behavior, you'll naturally gravitate to (and attract) women who do the same. The inverse is also true of course.

>>33240077
It's simple.
>men with low standards let women get away with whatever
>women therefore attempt to get away with whatever
That's how you get women who just exist and still have men swarming over them and lining up to kiss their ass. Because we (men) let them get away with it. If you don't like it, don't be that guy then.

>>33239982
hes not me and im an incel

>>33239982
Rather be incel than a beta bucks deluxe

>>33239895 (OP)
I got my first gf while having none of that I was just charming and was her type.
as you go up in life I guess girls ask for more
but that's why I continue dating teenagers lol, they are still ok with my sports car and spending money on trips abroad instead of worrying if I have money to buy a house
which I do, but I don't tell them that, they don't care about that, about mortages or your mental stability, as long as you give them a good time they are happy with that
I don't know why so many young guys are having problems dating, for me zoomers are way easier to date than millennials were back when I was young.

>>33239905
Dangerously underated comment.

>>33239982
ignoring the fact he's an eceleb, his wife is 'asexual' and doesn't even fuck him

>>33240237
sauce?

Honestly, being a man in the dating world can feel like you're constantly auditioning for a role you're not even sure you want anymore. You're told to be confident but not arrogant. Be muscular but not intimidating. Be successful but humble. Be funny but not offensive. One misstep and you're invisible, or worse, rejected.

Meanwhile, it feels like some women can just *exist* post a picture, walk into a room, and get validation, attention, options. They don’t have to cold-approach. They don’t have to face silence or ghosting over and over. Their effort isn’t measured by rejection it's measured by selection.

And it stings. Especially when you've worked hard on yourself your body, your job, your mental health and still feel like you're not even in the game. Like you’re running a marathon just to be looked at… while others get carried to the finish line for showing up.

That’s what the meme is really saying. Not that all women have it easy but that for many average guys, *being seen as worth anything* takes blood, sweat, and years. It’s isolating. It’s exhausting. And most won’t admit it.

But it’s real. And yeah, it makes us angry sometimes. Because no one wants to feel like they have to build an empire just to deserve love.

>>33240237
also he met her before he became an eceleb

I fulfil more conditions listed on the left than any man who's approached me (3 in total)

>>33239950
No shit you need to be attractive to attract a partner. What's attractive to you? 5/10?

>>33240021
You have it ass-backwards. A woman in her 20's is pretty much hot to some degree by default, barring being an orb or just born unfortunate looking. Whereas for men most of what makes you attractive are things you're born with or without.

>>33240092
This is some "women telepathically know you anonymously chudpost online" tier advice

>>33240092
>>33240100
what you say makes sense. Thanks

>>33239895 (OP)
Lol no, I fill all the requisites of man in the right and my girl is my girl because she is high-value too.
She is hot, tall (imagine marrying a womanlet becasue she cute and birthing manlets) and has a big butt.
She arouses both my mind and my cock, behaves like a queen in public and as a complete whore in my bed.
She is not a wallflower either, she is both respected in as a professional and can help me fix the roof or the plumbing if needed.
Last but not least, she is an amazing cook and helps me keep our home spotless.

tl;dr high-value men seek high-value women as well.

>>33240276
i'm pretty sure that by saying "being a total defeatist sperg" he means "avoiding all social interaction with anyone for defeatist reasons" and not "chudposting online"

>>33239895 (OP)
Just go outside and find out the hard way.
Don't listen to liars on the internet typing text, words are cheap.
You will find out the brutal truths of life the hard way, the better way, for yourself.

>>33240276
i'm pretty sure that by saying "being a total defeatist sperg" he doesn't mean "chudposting online", but instead he means "avoiding all social interaction with anyone for defeatist reasons"

>>33240348
you'll find things aren't as bad

>>33239895 (OP)
It's not true if you think about it for more than 3 seconds. A woman can attract a partner because there will always be desperate horny men who treats any hole as a goal. Women are sexual selectors, they choose who they wanna fuck. Men however choose who they want to marry. Men are culture, women are nature. Obviously if you you're a not a dysgenic freak and cuts above other men you have a larger pool of who you can choose marry (or fuck[or kill]) as a man. I'm going to assume OP's standard for a partner is not merely that they exist.

Also being salty that women have it easy it inherently feminine and faggy. If everything on the left seems 'unfair' and an insurmountable chore to you, that just means you've been rightly ejected from the gene pool, sorry, get back to bagging my groceries if you can't endure and overcome the frozen hellscape that is modernity.

>>33240348
yeah this but the oposite
stop reading doom and gloom threads and experience it yourself
I'm average looking and I don't dress fancily but I take care of my hygiene and I've never had problems attracting girls. Do they flock to me? not really, but I've landed solid cuties.
I was very insecure and shy when I was young and if the blackpill was a thing back then I would have given up and just not tried at all, I even read about hikkikomoris and considered myself one until I realized it's almost impossible to be a hikki in latin america because family is there for you and helps instead of shames you but anyways, don't let internet discourse discourage you, it might be easier than you think, at least the requisites are not actually that high
I think blackpillers or incels or whoever does these lists make them so impossibly high to achieve on purpose so they have an excuse not to even try in the first place, the actual requisites are not even a third of that but they fear that they don't clear even the most basic requisites because of something they inherently have and instead try to paint a dark picture where every other man is in the same scenario and suffering like them to make it more tolerable and not feel so horrible about their particular circumstances
misery loves company, don't fall for it.

>>33239895 (OP)
Nah, for two reasons.

First is lmao at those male requirements. Ask yourself how many men IRL in relationships or getting laid look like left pic. Asnwer's "almost none", and IRL, most men ain't shit. Hurt to say but you're getting outcompeted by affable fat ugly bastards and treehouse boys who although pretty have lives that are falling apart. Take heart in knowing you, too, can be an utterly deficit men who nevertheless pulls.

Second is pic related, they play a different game

>>33244055
lel, imagine bumping this thread just to state "yeah it's bullshit", but actually not, just reinforcing the fact that you can be the biggest slob imaginable as long as you have "it". Women will fuck a guy with a log half out his ass as long as he has "it". Meanwhile retards are hitting the gym and self improoving like it makes a damn.

>>33244077
There's an element of truth to it in the sense
>if you're a woman you'd obviously rather fuck someone tall, strong, handsome, rich, good skinned, smart, powerful, etc.
but any retard should recognize this. The part where retards err is both of
>these are mandatory requirements, rather than sources places you can increasingly get some edge over shittier men, and
>because women don't have these expectations or challenges, women have ZERO expectations or challenges
which are both common retard incel positions.

>>33239900
Show us that list.

>>33239895 (OP)
Yeah I have never rejected a girl who approached me.
Most girls can get a guy just by smiling and being available to them.

just saw this post. 3ertainly you're 3oking

>>33244127
Hate too sound like some blackpill fuck, but you're not competing against "shittier men". You're self improving so you can get leftovers. Notice how most dudes are lonely miserable fucks until they hit their 30's, and then suddenly there's a plethora of chicks in their 30's ready to mingle. Women slam nasties with "chads" when their young and hot. Then they get older and at that point the the dating field levels out because high achieving men aren't plowing 30 something millennial chicks. Everyone knows about gals in HS fucking dudes in their 20's, no one has ever seen tall dark and handsome chasing some dumpy 30yo except for pajeets/ahmeds/tyrones that think blonde is the goal no matter the cost.

>>33239895 (OP)
man here
nah
i literally just existed and told my wife a couple funny jokes back when we were 14
i'm physically average in every way and i've never been in the gym

men think they know the female experience and women think they know the male experience but the reality is that everyone here is an ignorant fuck who can't comment on someone else's lives

you will never be a man/woman, kill yourselves filthy tranny scum

>>33244213
>married his middle school sweetheart
>>i'm like you guyz
You got lucky you fucking cunt. I'm not even mad, cherish her like the world is ending tomorrow, but it's not comparable. I hope you die in eachothers arms you stupid cunt.

I hate women so much I'm gonna fucking snap

>>33244128
> be skinny
> have big tits
> wear makeup
> never look tired
> never wear the same clothes as another woman
> rarely re-wear the same outfit
> always act nice because any instance of being assertive will label you a BITCH
> always use a high energy voice or you’re a lazy bitch
> put up with disgusting men hitting on you because if you resist too much you’re a BITCH
> don’t have sex (or be labeled a SLUT)
> but also do all the sexual activities your boyfriend asks
> don’t chase men (or you’re a slut/pick me)
> but also give signs to men you’re interested (or your playing hard to get)
> live every day aware that half the worlds population is stronger and faster than you and if you’re pretty wants to fuck you and gives you tons of unwanted looks and attention
> live life knowing no one will know you exist after 40 years old or whatever age you no longer look fuckable

it’s more than “exist” to be a mid level woman

>>33244194
>You're self improving so you can get leftovers
The problem with this model is that it's ultimately copium. People talking about leftovers usually couldn't pull 30 years olds OR 20 year olds, no matter how trad, slutty or interested in dating or settling down they were.

Their problem is that the full incel line of thinking looks something like
>I want to fuck hot slutty women: young, into me with a driving sexual desire, down to fuck whenever, sounds great!
>But also? Fuck sluts, fuck whores, fuck club bitches, fuck bar women, fuck used goods, fuck women that fuck around, fuck party chicks, fuck yoga bunnies, fuck gym-thots and fuck all e-thottery, fuck any woman over 25, fuck gold diggers, fuck fat women, fuck tattooed women, fuck alt women, fuck the kink community, fuck pickmes, and fuck any woman with 'baggage'
>they're all disgusting and it would demean and disgust me to fuck them

The devastating truth is it's really under the hood male shyness: an overwhelming fear of rejection and fear of trying and failing pointed outward as a universal
>You can't fire me, I quit! I never wanted any of you anyways!
>There's just no room with which I could improve!

They generate "proof" for this by pruning their list of "fuckable, dateable women" down to an extremely limited pool of
>women who are angelically beautiful
>are in an undetermined superposition of "massively slutty virgins who desperately wanna fuck but never do",
>are young and hot,
>have zero awareness of their youngness and hotness, and
>somehow have, till now, had ZERO interested suitors despite this
For which a handful exist, but that handful is SO narrow and hyper-competitive a pool of women that yeah, realistically most people can't improve in a way that increases your odds much at landing one.

The mistake is mixing up "you can't improve at the incel pool" for "improving can't make you substantially more fuckable to women at large", it very much can.

>>33239950
>being attractive
to be fair this is like 60% of what's on the guy side, you just lump it under one label instead of breaking out
>clear skin
>puts effort into their looks
>starves themselves until the day they die
>no disabilities

But once you actually start dating, instead of existing in a place of desperation where anything is good enough. You quickly realize how many red flags girls have and how miserable it makes you.
Guys won't care as much about the financial side of things, but we absolutely are more picky when it comes to social or emotional things. Like a girl isn't as likely to care a guy goes out to bars with his friends on fridays.

If a girl is doing that, that's a huge red flag though.

>>33244433
Be skinny ... No just dont be a land whale
Big tits... Also no
Make up. Better without it.
Tired... Who cares?
Clothes, that is self imposed men don't care.
You can be a bitch and still get a guy.
Guys don't care about your energy level.
Yeah fair, don't be a slut, but again most guys don't care.
Guys don't call girls pick me, again that is other girls.
The last two have nothing to do with guys liking you, but also for that whole list of things it takes to have a guy be attracted to you and one of your line items are "tones of unwanted looks and attention"

You might be retarded anon.

>>33244433
>> be skinny
not even a requirement, specially in burgerland. bbl is basically skinny chicks mimicking fat chicks
>> have big tits
same shit. guys only really expect big tits on fat chicks.
>> wear makeup
>> never look tired
>> never wear the same clothes as another woman
>> rarely re-wear the same outfit
>> always act nice because any instance of being assertive will label you a BITCH
>> always use a high energy voice or you’re a lazy bitch
all this shit is things only other women care about
>> put up with disgusting men hitting on you because if you resist too much you’re a BITCH
oy vey, too much attention. Can't relate desu foid
>> don’t have sex (or be labeled a SLUT)
>> but also do all the sexual activities your boyfriend asks
>> don’t chase men (or you’re a slut/pick me)
stop being a fucking whore then. You know and i know, Guys get away with this shit because it's a handful of guys that all the girls want to fuck.
>> but also give signs to men you’re interested (or your playing hard to get)
oh the harrah, you have to be flirty with tall chads.
>> live every day aware that half the worlds population is stronger and faster than you and if you’re pretty wants to fuck you and gives you tons of unwanted looks and attention
welcome to manlet life fucking lesbo. i don't leave home without a gun tucked in my pants. maybe women should do the same instead of pretending banning guns is going to stop a guy from shoving a steak knife in their faces.
>> live life knowing no one will know you exist after 40 years old or whatever age you no longer look fuckable
you get a fraction of what incels experience their entire life when you get old. cry me a fucking river

>>33244444
Nah. so many dudes talk about "i first got laid at 25, it's no big deal", not to mention my memories of seeing my friends strike out time and time again when i was young, but now that i'm old women my age will hookup with anyone. There's definitely a fucking point to "women only fuck chad", it's just that it only really applies to chicks in their 20's. I think this is where the "men age like wine" meme comes from. Dudes hit later life and think they're Studly Dudly, too oblivious to realize they haven't done shit, women just go for daddy's in the case of younger broads, or realize their value plummeted in the case of chicks their own age.

>>33244489
>>33244492
>the point


>your head

Most/all the stuff in OPs list for men doesn't matter either.

>>33244555
nta but as someone who's been steady fuckin since 16, the men who fucked the most were mostly the men who cared the least about who they fucked. they fucked hotter and uglier women and mostly just didn't give a fuck, and it'd snowball because the more slutty women they'd fuck the more slutty people they'd meet. they all just fucked each other and they'd regularly fuck people way hotter or way uglier than them, because what they actually liked was fucking and the kind of people that like fucking, they didn't give a shit about 'oh she's 30, oh she's 18', it was to the point after hanging out like 'i'd be down to fuck if you are, you in?' and because everyone else was equally slutty, they always would. incels overthink this shit so goddamn hard, 99% of it is just being in the game.

>Nooo I might have to get a job and go to the gym 2-3 times per week noooo I want neetbux and a government issued waifu right now!

Some of the list is silly, but it's a pretty low standard overall. Should be easily achievable for the average person. No one's great at everything, but if you max out your natural talents you can compensate for weaknesses. If you're really hot you can be a little dumb, if you're an interesting person with a nice lifestyle you can be a little spergy ect.

>>33239905
More like if you're a total loser seeking a partner shouldn't be your main priority. At best a distraction from unfucking your life, and more likely you'll be settling with another loser who will reinforce all your bad habbits.

>>33244194
>until they hit their 30's, and then suddenly there's a plethora of chicks

If you can't get them before 30 you ain't getting them durring or after.

>>33244858
I was single my entire 20s
Turned 30, bought a nice car. Suddenly I've basically never been single.

Literally nothing else changed. I was always athletic and pretty well off, my hobbies and hangouts didn't change.
I just hit some random ass landmark and suddenly now women want me

>>33239982
nobody can ever refute supposed "beta-males" by blackpill standards being well-off and slamming pussy

>>33244808
In a room of 10 women 9 will care about height.
In a room of 100 men 1 will care about your make up.

>>33240371
This is the only non-npc post in this thread.

>>33239895 (OP)
Women cannot suffer.

>>33244829
it might be a low standard but the point is that women don't have to do ANY of that and still get dates

>>33245183
>it might be a low standard but the point is that women don't have to do ANY of that and still get dates
So? Do you want to be a woman or something?

>>33244927
NTpill.
Blackpill and lookism are not the same but people confuse them. The 'blackpill standards' are not well researched and may be inaccurate. Many blackpilled incels think only about looks and forget that women operate genetic selection on brains and potential too.

>>33245189
There's an epidemic of boys wanting to be girls

>>33245193
chris chan is gonna be a father so i doubt it, its insane the kind of retards women will fuck

>>33245508
>chris chan is gonna be a father
Things i didn't need to know.

>>33239895 (OP)
Notice how you see plenty of homeless men but rarely any attractive homeless women?

It's because the lows that a man can reach are much lower than a woman can reach. At the same time though, notice how most CEO's are men? Most of the richest people are men?

The highs that men can reach are also much higher than women.

So what it means is that women exist comfortably in the middle; they can't really fall that far down, but it's also harder for them to climb up. Men, meanwhile, have the freedom and ability to fall hard but also rise high.

That's why I don't think it's fair to say women have it easier than men. Also, while women don't have to worry about being alone, they do have to worry about fuckboys who will say literally anything to sleep with them. Some of my female friends talked about how they would go on dates with guys and these guys would take them on trips, introduce them to their parents, do everything to seem like they're serious - only to ghost them after a few months. These are nice, sane women too.

I think we as men tend to underestimate the amount of sheer trauma and emotional damage that women go through. At least with me as a guy, if a woman is sleeping with me, I know she's not using me for my body. And, unless you're a multi-millionaire or celebrity, you can be assured of the same too.

>>33245508
>its insane the kind of retards women will fuck
blackpill really really undervalues notoriety as pussy attractant

if you are mildly famous comedian, criminal, Internet eceleb, guy who got the key to the city, you'll have women interested in you, no matter what else. women lined up to fuck mini-me and a non zero amount of women fucked Beetlejuice on Howard Stern

>>33244492
>all this shit is things only other women care about
no shit. women have to be well regarded by other women to get male attention. men don't need anyone's approval to get laid but every man will believe what social groups of women say about the weird girl and can keep her isolated and without opportunities

>>33239895 (OP)
I see the most seemingly hopeless dudes walk around with girlfriends all the time. Maybe not girlfriends who look like Jessica Biel, but still.

>>33245646
Wrong again. Men don't even grasp female politics much less care about them.

>>33244808
exactly. these faggots got TRIGGERED

>>33240387
Thread should've ended here.

Almost none of my coworkers are bodybuilders or make 6 gorillion figures a year yet most of them are married or with a gf, have kids, and have their own place and are generally respected in their circles. We're blue collar also so we're go getters, some of them even have stay at home wives and the secret was just budgeting better.

>>33245078
in a room of 100 women the men will consider all the ones not wearing make up as looking “tired”. you have no idea what women do just to go outside the house

>>33244905
Same thing happend to me. I believe that some men grow into their looks and aren't really handsome until they've matured.

>>33239895 (OP)
Women are asked to not be very fat and not be old.

Other than that... Mostly yes.

>>33239982
Famous, rich and he isn't a porn addict

>>33239895 (OP)
>Must always have a job

IMMEDIATELY this image tells on itself.

Yes, you should have a means to support yourself you fucking retard.

>>33245646
>women have to be well regarded by other women to get male attention
100% projection lol. It's the exact opposite

>>33248370
He's saying women don't want a "bang maid"

you actual brain damaged retard.

>>33239895 (OP)
you forgot the
>don't be fat
instruction on the woman side, pretty important

>>33239895 (OP)
>is this true?
No, for example see how many incels seethe that women are not virgins.