So I'm a former incel (terminally online loner and pimple-faced video game and porn addict in my teens, didn't get laid until I was 20) who's slowly chadded out over the past few years by completely cutting all that out except for 1 hour of vidya a day, self-improving - working on appearance, life goals, social skills, etc., and all of a sudden I realized I've started affecting women emotionally and making them really upset when I don't give them attention.

Not only that, but I realized I actually like it. Breaking women's hearts and making them upset feels really good. I get a big rush out of it. I just got an angry wall of text today from a woman I ghosted telling me that I made her feel so many things and then ripped her out of my life and she feels like she's dying, crying every day and it's unfair to do that to her etc. etc. Meanwhile it literally didn't affect me whatsoever to cut her out because she wasn't even in my top 5. I've got so many people I talk to, I didn't even think about her. But I noticed it made me happy that I affected her so much. This isn't the first one either, just the most intense.

Is this wrong of me and should I stop? I didn't intentionally start doing this, it's just a consequence of having too many options. That said, I actually really enjoy it. Why is that? Is it my resentment over my loser days coming out subconsciously or do guys who have been successful their whole lives also feel happy in situations like this? I don't want to be a bad person and my feelings do concern me. I feel bad for her but also it's a big ego boost.

And don't worry, I will hang out with her again after she said all that, I'm not a heartless guy and I do care about her feelings. Just saying seeing her hurt also makes me feel good and turns me on.

>>33263705 (OP)
based, pump and dump mid girls that's all they good for anyway, especially those monkey branching for a chad

>>33263705 (OP)
Everyone's gangster until she slashes your tires or accuses you of rape.

>>33263705 (OP)
You're a psychopath and should feel abad about yourself

>>33263705 (OP)
You're still a simp. Stop caring what women think.

>>33263705 (OP)
I'm self-improving to become a Chad to do just that. I will take my revenge on foids.

>>33263705 (OP)
Bret Ellis would jerk off to guys like you

>>33263726
girls monkey branching for a Chad don't melt down at you for ignoring, they move on to Chad or the next orbiter. by definition the only girls you hurt like this are the ones that did care

>>33263705 (OP)
Nah, that's pretty normal for Chads, as you say it's just a consequence of being attractive. It happened to me once with my friend's gf, she broke up with him and thought she had a chance with me, I didn't wanna date her cuz she was my friend's ex but I didn't tell her that and she eventually melted down and cried and went back to him and is cold with me now. It is an ego boost. Seeing a woman cry over you feels great.

>>33263705 (OP)
You now know what it’s like to be a woman.

>>33263705 (OP)
Anon, how the fuck do you pull it off?

Affecting women emotionally?

Im sorta walking your same path now of rapid self improvement, got slim, healthy, improving apprarance etc.

But still not able to get around women, how do you make them feel a bunch of emotions?!

>>33263705 (OP)
>self-improving - working on appearance, life goals, social skills
>Is this wrong of me and should I stop?

Narcissist, LARP, faggot or both. Which is it?

>>33264797
Not OP but learn to "love bomb". Then you just suddenly stop responding or act cold. They'll get really upset.

>>33264797
if anyone ever shows interest in you:
>say "ew, no"
>"as of right now, I'm gay'"
>laugh at them to their face
>wait until they say something cringe or stupid (won't take long I promise) make a stankface until they notice and ask, say that they gave you the ick

Basically just use bitch tactics back at them. They literally cannot handle this at all. Watch them freak out in public. When they do act shocked and film it. Speak to immediate strangers - "this crazy bitch has lost her mind! Call the cops!"

>>33268521
this one girl was the first girl that liked me that wasnt chopped (respectably average) but she came off strong for me, always approaching first. too playful/childlike and confident while i was the reserved tall retard but maybe she saw it as mysterious idk. she seemed a bit crazy by her passion and i didnt wanna get closer to find out. i tried to keep much distance while being respectful because she was really into me and i didnt wanna lead her on or outright reject her when shes so kind (despite trying in a subtle manner)
anyway it took way too fucking long like 6 or 7 months for her to finally find someone else and started hating/ignoring me which i understand
everything you said i did as an unintentional byproduct of being a careless retard and it kept her chasing from far for way too long. it only made her want me more

>>33263705 (OP)
pretty sure "Chads" are just heartbroken guys that had a glow up. They're just as blackpilled as any incel, they just look good.

Your Dads will not acknowledge you fellas when you behave like this.

>>33263705 (OP)
Yeah it’s resentment. You’re shadowboxing whatever woman hurt you primordially. I get it, I felt the same way. Karma will get you if you indulge in your darkness.

>>33263705 (OP)
how did your self-improovment occur and at what point to it make a change ? What was the determining factor in women starting to be affected by you ? I'm an incel trying to improove, but it seems to be limited at this point.

Of course you should care about the feelings of other in a certain way : don't give false hope. But also don't get manipulated into a relationship with emotional manipulation by foid. Crying and getting pity is pretty classic. You can't always avoid to affect them, it's not your fault, but you're searching for the good one, not anyone. Just don't pump and dump, find a good one and commit (if she is good, the good one, etc). Then you can get turned on by the fact she will be attached to you. Don't get addicted to the attention of severals. Yet at least now you know you're desirable and you have choice, and now your choice of the good woman will not come from lack but from abundance. That's my idea of it.

>>33268521
you need someone to show interest in you in the first place though for this to work.

Yoo, same bro haha, i love the attention. I was the quiet and boring kid at school, so i'm definitely compensating in some sort of way.

Now in my mid 20s i've got it so easy its crazyyy, i made two girls jealous of each other by saying to one of them that the other one called her crazy because she was stalking my instagram following list and the shi that went down afterwards is wild.

I did that just because i wanted to stir some shit up and look at them go at each other. I also realized the things they say to each other to piss each other off, like one of the things.

>Hey girlie, btw, in case he doesnt change the bedsheets, that's my period blood on the bed, kisses
>They also tend to pretend they don't care that much about you when talking to the other girl, so it makes the other girl feel more crazy and obsessed, it's so fucking toxic

Like bro, the way they operate is fucking wild and i got to see it right in front of my eyes

Funniest thing is that after the 1st girl got pissed off and blocked me, the 2nd one was so happy that she got rid of the other one and then i dropped the "Listen, i don't think this is gonna work out, this was too much for me". Ya'll should've seen the look on her face lmao.

>>33274268
You will burn in hell for these despicable acts

>>33274340
toastie

>>33274268
>Ya'll should've seen the look on her face lmao.
KEK
i love you. bro gained nothing but still did it to troll

>>33274351
Don't you mean roastie?

>>33272109
there's no woman, it was literally the lack of it, I'm in a similar position to OP except I only lost it at 22 after even having some gfs in high school but never being enough for them to have sex with (I understand why now of course) and watching all my female peers fuck and suck in college and have everyone be nice to them all the time by virtue of being young and existing while I had to grind for that shit because I'm a dude
>>33264623
A 30 year old woman who I was fucking with recently who spent all her twenties seemingly swinging from one relationship to the next broke down badly when she saw me talking to another girl, she even threw up. For the record I didn't enjoy this, she's really sweet and I really didn't want to hurt her
She cared, that doesn't make her not hypergamous.
>>33272291
become /fitlit/. no one is coming to save you. only you can live your best possible life.

>>33277066
>she even threw up
Based

>>33277066
>become /fitlit/. no one is coming to save you. only you can live your best possible life
Okay but what exactly did you do?

>>33263705 (OP)
>Is it my resentment over my loser days
Spoiler alert: those days are still ongoing.
Someone who's truly over it would either feel bad about doing to women what you claim they did to you, or at least just feel neutral about it and move on because you were busy doing your own thing. For instance, if you have a "top 5" why aren't you enjoying yourself with them instead of worrying about what one girl who you weren't even into (and who is likely a headcase if your story is true) is saying? Where's the "ego boost" and enjoyment out of that?
You claim not to be heartless but your whole post implies otherwise. You're not a chad OP, you're a chad false flag and you still have a long way to go

>>33277593
hit the gym, focused on calm confidence ; confidence basically comes from being able to back it up somehow, that can take many different forms: in short, showing competence in things. Try to dovetail into things that are universally respected; video games can unironically make you more confident if you're good at them and they're difficult, but they're false fitness indicators in the sense that normies (women) don't care if you're number one at bing bing wahooing in Overwatch and it doesn't actually make you in shape unlike traditional competitive male pursuits (namely sports).
For instance I went back to do some amateur stage acting, something I can do well, I got a lot of female attention because they like the craft and respect men who are good at it and also the gender ratio is immensely in favor of women (granted, theater women).

Watch/listen to some Academy of Ideas videos on youtube, whatever titles stand out to you

>>33263705 (OP)
based but you were never an incel

stop appropriating my culture

>>33263705 (OP)
>I don't want to be a bad person
A little late for that.

>>33280178
Jesus forgives every sinner

This is why the dating pool is as bad as it is. Two wrongs don't make a right and you're actively poisoning the minds of stupid women instead of teaching them and nurturing their good. This is not what a good or mature man does. You should be above this, morally. This is how players behave-- when a damaged man has the power to be cruel and utilizes it because he's spiteful and vengeful. It's degenerate.

I won't preach morals, but what you are doing is the actual definition of toxic masculinity. It would do all lf us a favor if you men would grow up and set better examples. But you aren't actually asking to change, it's either a larp or a brag. There's no helping you. I don't really care to, and neither do you.

Just curious, how is your relationship with you mother? It could go back to that. Diddy and Tate both have massive parental issues and view women along the lines that you do. If you're trying to understand why you're like this

>>33281574
Yeah I also don't think he's here for amy advice

>>33281492
>Jesus forgives every sinner
No, He doesn't. Forgiveness is only possible if the sinner actually repents, which OP clearly doesn't.

>>33263705 (OP)
>making them upset feels really good
I'm not like you OP, I don't like it
I still do it though. life's too short for putting up with a woman's bullshit once you've fucked her for a few months.
sorry

>>33281574
I don’t condone delighting in hurting somebody else, but the collapse of society is not OP’s fault. That was written the stars long before OP was on the scene. It’s what the schools teach, the propaganda big media and the politicians/industry push. Opportunistic men have always existed, it’s not the cause of feminism and social media infecting young women’s minds. It’s the schools and media telling them to have an high powered job, have casual sex, don’t be an housewife, gender roles are bad etc. Anyway, the pool is fucked regardless of how you behave. Stop internalizing things that are far beyond your control. Just hope to find one girl that hasn’t been tainted.

>>33272029
Some people are just born attractive.

>>33277614
This is cope.

>>33263705 (OP)
OP is old. The "good" chicks his age are already married or in stable LTRs with other guys and the leftovers are crazier than OP is, so OP expecting them not to be crazy is kind of funny. The sane stable ones are married and taking their kids to preschool not banging OP, and OP seems surprised the only ones left are insane.
Its sad when even "chad" can't get a good one because all the good ones were taken long ago, but I guess thats the state of the dating market.
Maybe if OP is chad enough, he can get a younger one thats not mentally ill. Its worth a try.
"I only date chicks who can't commit to stable sane relationships despite years of trying, and I was surprised to discover they're crazy" - says OP

>>33263705 (OP)
It's interesting to see how zoomers endorse psychopathic behavior ans are even proud of it.

>>33287091
should he go for 16yos?

In my country of romania even those have been thoroughly ran through as romania is the source for more than half of EU's prostitutes while only being 2-3% of the EU's population.

So I am not sure if this would be available to me.

Hell, in highschool there were only 5/2600 girls and one of them at 14yo, the only white one(the only one I was interested in cause I'll be damned if my kid's a mixed race mutt) had an OF account and promoted it on the same insta account she had everyone from highschool and middleschool added on. No I am not lying, I might even confess and say I wish I did as romanian society wouldn't be THIS degenerate.

The all time peak of girls in that HS was 7/2600 according to the female principal which I was giddy wish my entire time there. Curious how there were more female professors than female students in that HS.

I graduated from there last year.

any advice for me? I'm a believer in "virgin till marriage" and "no hymen no diamond", despite how naive it may seem to some.

>>33282571
>Just hope to find one girl that hasn’t been tainted.
if my country is the source of over half of the european union's prostitution despite only being 2-3% of the EUs population, is that society tainted?
I must mention that one of my only female highschool colleagues had an OF at 14yo and advertised it on her insta, the same insta with everyone from middle school and high school there.
What should I do in such situation? Is finding a untainted white woman even an option?

>>33281574
I meeeeeeeaaan, not a single one of the examples he's mentioned has been a virgin.
They're all the ran through till they're in their late 30s, then desperately trying to get married to some sucker.
Personally, I think he's doing a public service by reminding these stupid whores of what they've dome and they're doing being evil.
If I wasn't a christian and waiting for marriage to a virgin girl, this is exactly what I would do as well.

>>33279157
I have proven many times how I'm much more competent than the competition.
Whether in street fights where I'm outnumbered and somehow come out mostly unharmed(as I can't dodge or block all their hits), sports, martial arts or academics.
I am reaching a point of being financially very well off and ONLY now are women interested in me the very moment they hear about my career as if this wasn't a certainty since I was very little due to being an exceptional person.
If I beat someone after they started a fight by sucker punching me and trying to run away I was somehow too much of a thug to be attractive.
However, if multiple people tried to cripple me and I acted defensively by not charging into them and instead picking on only one somehow making them retreat and standing my ground with minimal injuries, I am somehow a pussy and a weakling when I'm the one who got jumped by 9 guys my age for my fucking wallet outside my residence.
With the women here you can genuinely never win! It's almost like they're making excuses to not be attracted to me, and those excuses are mostly contradictory.
Tf am I doing wrong? Why are they choosing genetically ill, financially poor, obese/stick thin, unintelligent, ugly wannabe thugs over me, then when they do have a baby with one they IMMEDIATELY come to me whilst still pregnant to try and convince me it's my own kid, only to get butthurt when I tell them to piss off? Why couldn't they choose me in the first place?

>>33263705 (OP)
You're a narcissist bud. You enjoy hurting people and you want to feel powerful by hurting people. Yes it's wrong and stop trying to dilly dally around it.

>>33263726
Lmao you think people are objects too

>>33263844
The real based comment

>>33288534
Holy shit you're gross

>>33288585
I don't know, maybe you're autistic or have anger issues?

>>33288585
Yeah lol it's like they're blind to the potential and literally only wait at the fucking finishing line, so stupid lmao

>>33263705 (OP)
>>33263726
this, if a man dumps his gfs it's the woman's fault for being a boring fuck

>>33288585
>Why couldn't they choose me in the first place?
they're going to you to be their beta provider. the other guys are exciting to them. Are you exciting to women? also any woman who ends up with that kind of crowd you shouldn't worry about, but the point stands for good women

>>33263705 (OP)
Why don't you murder her then? :) It'll be the best feeling

>>33294457
How - how do you know that

>>33294507
You said you love hurting this person right? To be that cruel is an affirmation of Genesis and the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. Do whatever you want

>>33294510
Holy based.

>>33281574
>Two wrongs don't make a right
They absolutely do.

>>33263705 (OP)
You're not Chad yet, you're a handsome incel. You're still full of hatred and resentment and insecurity. Otherwise you wouldn't need this.

Stop taking revenge on people who never hurt you before you hurt someone BADLY who really didn't deserve it, or before someone rightfully takes revenge on you.

>>33294633
How? This ia just the revenge fallacy

>>33263705 (OP)
You're just as bad as the women who whore around and cheat looking for chad. You are literally putting more women like that into society by not just denying them attention and sex OR settling down with one. Incels in here will congratulate you for "giving them what they deserve" without realizing those women are going back into the dating market to fuck with us. If you didn't give them sex and completely denied them, they wouldn't believe they can get a man like you and have retarded standards. But no, since you stuck it in them, they know think they deserve and can keep a guy like you around. Fuck all you vengeance seeking retards. Your behavior creates more young men who will have to grow up in this fucked up dating market that caused us to all be maligned and bitter.

>>33296974
To be honest, if a woman can't detect how evil a man is, it's on her

>>33299031
Fuck off. You want us to be naive and shit on us when we are. Sometimes we want to believe with all our hearts that you don't want to hurt and fuck with us. So you're blaming us for you being sneakier than we perceive, for brushing off your behavior as something that we shouldn't be clingy or accusatory about, and for thinking that you could be literally anything other than a giant piece of shit that look at us like collateral damage along the way to your hedonistic escapades.

>>33299079
Women are the selectors, you have an obligation to be wise in your choice.
The real reason we enjoy their suffering is because the cunts constantly claim to have some magic detector for bad personality traits or misogyny, and claim these traits are the reason incels are incels despite sexually successful men harboring such traits to far greater degree than incels or even average normies.
It's very clear that either women are either sub-sapient, if they actually believe the shit they spew about personality, values, morals being relevant to their attraction; or they're lying about what attracts them, making them immoral creatures who should not be treated with kindness.

>>33299124
Well yeah, primarily women are attracted to P O W E R.
Incels barely have any, that's why they're incels. And psychotic "chads" have power, that's why they get selected and become chad

>>33263705 (OP)
A jewish hot girl invited me for dog walk and i said no. It's the next day now and i regret it because now that i got lean girls want me and my incel mindset rejects them. What do? I told her i had the flu (which is true)

>>33299124
Who do you know that is traditionally associated with wisdom? Could it be old people because they've had enough time to get a feel for how the world works and how people are?
You're just a self-absorbed narcissist that will use any excuse possible to remove yourself for being responsible for your actions. Blaming other people for not recognizing that you're subhuman is hilarious.

You are not a psychopath anon don't listen to the beta cucks here. Growing up with my sister and my mom i realized the brutal nature of females when i was around 16 and since then I make sure that every girl i'm dating is in line and obedient to what i say to her and if she is not I break up with her at the spot, and I have done it multiple times.

>>33299143
I'm not OP, I'm just explaining why no one with a brain should have any empathy for women who end up hurt by manipulation or abuse.
If women stopped lying and exercised some self-awareness people I might still care, but they won't do either, so I'll continue laughing at their suffering.

>>33299140
Just invite her again when you're healthy again... It's really not that hard

>>33299161
Do you want to have blanket judgements passed against you that male prisoners did, but you didn't? Your issue here, in this moment, is that you're allowing a loud group of women to make your decisions. You are literally the meme of being swept up by social media and gay shit, and being convinced that it's something that has corrupted all women. Do you reply to Trump on twitter and expect that he saw your replies too, you fucking actual boomer tard?

>>33263705 (OP)
>all that out except for 1 hour of vidya a day
What are you playing?

>>33281574
>the actual definition of toxic masculinity

>>33263705 (OP)
>>33277066
>>33279157
Interesting. I didn't realize becoming chadding up as a former incel is common here. How do you guys transition from "getting attention from bottom of the barrel girls" into "having lots of choices of hot/high value girls"? Is it just putting yourself into women's spaces or do you have to actively pursue and hit on hot women? I'm currently struggling with still being a pussy, so I don't hit on women aggressively enough and also not rejecting fatties firmly enough. From talking to some female friends this appears to make me look like a "hot asshole that strings them along" when it's just me being a fucking sperg. Does this change over time or maybe you have some other advice to change this? My current goal would be basically to have a "top 5" or whatever of attractive women to choose from like OP.

>>33299217
Why not get a top 1 with a gf?

>>33263705 (OP)
Yeah you're fucked up. I am too though. Nothing makes me excited like making my gf get jealous and upset and cry over me brcause I talked to another woman. It just really turns me on, I get a boner of steel when I see her crying face knowing I can affect her that much. Maybe I'm evil, idk.

>>33300298
Yes, you are a very sick man. Twisted, even. I'd feel sorry for your children that would be exposed to your parenting style

>>33299184
>You are literally the meme of being swept up by social media and gay shit,
every woman I have slept with has had a higher body count than me, not to mention a higher body count than what I did at their age. even if it was just 1 (I was a virgin)
young women have more sex than young men, I have yet to experience anything that contradicts this
>>33299217
>Is it just putting yourself into women's spaces or do you have to actively pursue and hit on hot women?
both
recently I did a theater show (female-heavy environment) and a hot 18 year was around. I made some light-hearted chat and then segued into pretty cocky flirting. At some point I found out she was 18 (I thought she was older desu) and still in high school and made a comment like "Oh damn I should probably hit on you less. Too bad." in front of her friend no less. Eventually she added me on social media. it didn't go anywhere though, I negged her too hard in dms and also lost some confidence due to some irl stuff affecting me. Point is though, past me would've not taken any initiative and basically just hoped for her to talk to me to which opportunity I would jump on to desperately try to make her laugh, instead of dictating the terms myself.
>From talking to some female friends this appears to make me look like a "hot asshole that strings them along" when it's just me being a fucking sperg.
Do women tell you this? if they do that's a pretty good sign. Sounds like you're just "being friendly" to girls while being attractive. Push it into "being flirty" territory. Flirty is an extension of friendly, not a replacement.
>>33300298
that's messed up

>>33263705 (OP)
>didn't get laid until I was 20
Lol
Stopped reading there

>>33263705 (OP)
Torturing women is fun, I've always enjoyed it as well. I'm curtently leading on several. I won't even give most of them sex because I don't have a high sex drive and I get my fix from my regular. This shit isn't even hard once you figure it out.

>>33299217
Literally just be around women, yeah. And don't be a sad loser. Be social. Social skills are your #1 asset. Everything else is secondary. You can be a broke bum living with your parents and attract women if you're charming.

>>33300174
Because I feel like I missed out. I did have gfs my entire 20s basically, almost non-stop.
>Do women tell you this? if they do that's a pretty good sign. Sounds like you're just "being friendly" to girls while being attractive. Push it into "being flirty" territory. Flirty is an extension of friendly, not a replacement.
I mean I am being flirty, but the issue is women literally never take that flirting into "let's go fuck" territory, they expect me to do it. That's where I fail.
>Literally just be around women, yeah. And don't be a sad loser. Be social. Social skills are your #1 asset. Everything else is secondary. You can be a broke bum living with your parents and attract women if you're charming.
Yeah I would say that I am charismatic, not perfect by any means, but people that fit my temperament have a lot of fun with me, including women. The issue comes with conversion of that into sexual partners.

this is either the worst fag fantasy bait or you're just an autistic narcissistic retard huffing whatever dogshit makes you act like this. you should be raped

>>33263705 (OP)
>former incel
Words mean nothing anymore
Incel=Involuntary+Celibate
If ending your celibacy takes working out and improving yourself, then you were never a true incel, you were a lazy volcel, as you chose not to better yourself

You're just as bad as women who say incel to mean anyone who hates women
That, or true incels can never exist

>>33281574
yes, it's the cycle of hate. And women do bad things against men for real or made-up accusations (feminism). And only the people that forgive and give good and break the vicious circle stop deterioration or produce ameliorations.

>>33304684
roastie gettin toastie

keep doing that. I do the same thing... 2 years of gym and skin care and these whores with boyfriends on the street, walking hand in hand, and they pass by you staring at you. bitches, they're not worth the air they breathe.

There are a billion interesting things that are worth investing energy and time in. I've had a woman for a decade... she only took up my time and peace. Zero return... in bed I looked like a corpse