How do I escape the friend zone?

>>33265605 (OP)
By not making other people your measure of self-worth.

>>33265692
how do I cultivate my own god damn self worth?

>>33265605 (OP)
You leave it and move on. If in the 1% chance she changes her mind you can decide if you want to be with someone who originally rejected you I guess. But overall you should just move on.

>>33265605 (OP)
You're fucked if you're in the friendzone.
You don't get sexual with friends and you can't go from friend to sexual—it's just not possible. Make your intentions clear from the get-go rather than be a pussy bitch that can't communicate what you want properly. Trying to force it will just turn you into a Nice Guy and then you won't even have a friend anymore.

>>33265722
>>33265738
cmon seriously?

>>33265768
Yes, seriously. That you think the "friendzone" is something you can overcome just shows that you don't understand how attraction or relationships work. You've either already been rejected and think you can make them change their mind about you, or you think you can make them just suddenly realize they're attracted to you if you say it first. That's not going to happen. It either happens naturally or it does and you'd know by now if it was ever mutual at any point. Let it go.

>>33265768
Yes, seriously. That you think the "friendzone" is something you can overcome just shows that you don't understand how attraction or relationships work. You've either already been rejected and think you can make them change their mind about you, or you think you can make them just suddenly realize they're attracted to you if you say it first. That's not going to happen. It either happens naturally or it doesn't and you'd know by now if it was ever mutual at any point. Let it go.

>>33265605 (OP)
>>33265768
lmao gay lil nigga

>>33265605 (OP)
you don't, just think about it from your own perspective if a girl was really into you but you weren't attracted to her at all. here's what can happen
>she gets slim or transforms and maybe you find her attractive but probably not
>you decide decades later you're not going to do any better and settle for her
>you have sex with her out of pity, maybe even date her a little, then dump her

no attraction means no relationship, people in sham relationships will try to convince you otherwise.

the most i have ever seen happen is a girl being on the fence about a guy if she finds out he's rich or well connected he can sometimes get over the line with that.

don't go down the path of oneism, 99% of the time it just leads to misery and the other 1% of the time it's a crap shoot. if you are a young guy now, just find another girl and it will be easy to forget about her with another girl in the picture you are trying for.

attraction isn't complicated, be tall, be in relatively good shape and just don't be horrendously ugly. if you have other issues work on them and you'll see returns

>>33265843
>be tall
FUCK

No chance of escape. You're in the friendzone for a reason, and you're never going to figure out why or overcome it. Trying to force things is stupid because it will end up killing your friendship, shrinking your social circle and lowering your chance of meeting someone else.

>>33265738
/Thread

>>33265874
>>33265738
but I hear tons of stories of girls ending up fucking their guy friends that hang around and such

>>33265892
For every one story of a man that manages to successfully break out of the friend-zone, there are a million stories of men who never manages to get the attention of the girl.

Don't be a loser who pretends to have a purely platonic bond with a girl you like. Tear off the band-aid and make your intentions clear ASAP. The longer you wait, the greater the odds of her mentally placing you in the "beta nice-guy" pile

>>33265892
guy friends are chads she's trying to lock down or beta orbiters she entertains for attention. the more a girl is liked the more social attention she gets, the better odds of her finding chad. in some rare cases it's a girl with zero confidence or a very ugly girl that is desperate to find someone.

my friend once fucked this ugly fat chick and thought he was getting "friends with benefits". i told him a million times it would end poorly and to just cut it off but he didn't listen. inevitably he cut it off when she started trying to make serious moves on him and she fucking hated his guts. physically slapped and hit him

he also tried the "friends" route and he got nowhere.

if a girl is fucking everything in sight it's daddy issues or confidence issues, both will be a disaster because in reality the focus there is not on you. you're just gonna be something for her to consume. girls that know their worth won't fuck around like that unless they're trying to prove something to someone

>>33265605 (OP)
try to fuck her then cut contact when she refuses

>>33265738
>Make your intentions clear from the get-go rather than be a pussy bitch that can't communicate what you want properly.
How? I had this problem with the last girl who approached me and asked me out, should I say «Let's kiss and have sex»? I guess not, but I have no idea, I'm a virgin incel.

>>33265605 (OP)
Which one? Did you ask her out and she said no or were you too much of a bitch to ask her out in the first place?

>>33265768
The longer you wait the worse it will be. Make your intentions known within the first week of meeting them.

>>33265892
This should tell you the friendzone isn't real. It's just a simple matter of attraction. Friends-to-lovers is real. Friends with benefits is in the title. What's missing in the friendzone is MUTUAL attraction.

>>33266799
>MUTUAL attraction.
so I just gotta be hotter?

>>33266697
body language and stuff. That shit is hard but thats just how social interactions work.
its important to judge if they match your energy.
you will learn it over time just practice talking to people.

>>33265605 (OP)
It won’t happen. Girls will fully acknowledge that a guy has romantic feelings for them but won’t cut them off because it’s “mean”. Even if there is not a snowballs chance in hell for the guy they’ll keep him around. It doesn’t matter what you think; the girl you think is “perfect” is just like any of the billions of others on earth.

>>33267028
Essentially yes but consider that you may already be hot enough and she just doesn’t want to have sex with you for other reasons.

Sticking around in losing situations is a personal choice. Find women that like you now, not ones you wish would like you

>>33265605 (OP)
There's no such thing as a "friend zone"
If you're close enough that she wants to hang out with you, but won't date you, that means you're just not attractive to her.
It's that simple

>>33265892
"The friendzone" is not "friends" people hang around. Friends that turn into a relationships were guys who were actually just friends or acquaintances that showed no romantic interest into that woman. That's of course fine. "The friendzone" on the other hand is when a guy approaches a woman and it is understood he has a romantic interest but fails to communicate that clearly in his actions. This is what repulses the woman. The motives make the difference hear: he wants to fuck her but just acts like a friend =bad. He is just is a friend and has no intention to fuck her = completely ok.

>>33266594
WHO IS THIS I MUST COOM

You don't! I'm sorry but it's not possible. If you value them as a friend despite your feelings for them then you keep them as a friend. If you're doing it solely to win them over, then you have failed yourself. Trust me I've been there myself.

There's two options for you right now.
1. Date somebody else. (Wouldn't recommend unless you're ready)
2. Just keep being single and focus on your own well being. Understanding that you don't NEED a partner to be happy.

That being said you should value yourself more than trying to obtain a partner. If you do that there is a very small possibility that person might come around on their OWN terms. But you should not get your hopes up.

Also don't forget to just have fucking fun. Lifes too short.

>>33267525
Eh, women have a bunch of reasons why they friend zone a guy. But they usually do it because the man doesn't have much self worth and women can usually sense that desperation from them. The best "strategy" for a guy that's being friendzoned is friendzoning her as well E.I. not give a shit in trying to win her over and make her think that she's just an orbiter.

Basically keep her around but don't put that much effort, because at the end of the she's just your friend so treat her that way.

>>33267525
This

>>33265605 (OP)
May I have her name, anon, good sir?

>>33268672
Trista Smith

>>33268718
God bless.

>>33265892
>fucking their guy friends that hang around

Yes exactly, guys taht loosely hang around in their circle of friends, then one night shes single and horny so the guy makes a move. What you're doing is the beta orbiter thing, pretend to be friends in hopes of snatching a crumb of pussy from the table. So the girls sort you out of the "hot dude " category and view you as one of the girls.
They may have actually been into you at some point or not, but they will definitely lose all interest in you permanently, as you are now practically a woman in their eyes.
Just imagine being in prison and your cellemate telling you to tie your shirt into a knot to make it official that you're a bitch from now on. Same thing.

>>33268421
>they have a bunch of reasons
All of them boiling down to they aren't attracted to you. Attraction doesnt just mean whether or not they think youre handsome.

>>33265605 (OP)
>How do I escape the friend zone?
If you're interested in a girl, you ask her out and she says "I just want to be friends" then that means she doesn't want to be with you romantically and pretending to be her friend is a huge waste of time. There is no such thing as the friendzone. Nobody can force you to be anybody else's friend. If she isn't interested that's called getting rejected.

>>33265605 (OP)
If you get there in the first place you were never attractive enough for her

>>33265605 (OP)
She sure has a thick neck and strong jawline. Her shoulders are also more broad than her hips.

>>33265605 (OP)
Money, Muscles, Manipulation.

you need consent to enter an agreement, but you don't need to exit
if you dont want to be friends with someone you can just cut contact, if you want to date someone, now you need the others approval
how to exit the friendzone? simple, just exit
how to get a girlfriend is a different question and more complex, but i wouldn't know, im the last incel alive

>>33265605 (OP)
You don't sadly.. once your in that hes like a brother to me zone your fucked. Nothing will get you in her panties after those words are spoken out of her mouth. Well nothing thats not against the law anyways lol..