>consciously know women only want muscular, masculine men
>have the personal desire to be an androgynous twink (I'm not even gay, I just like the aesthetic)
What should I do? I'm kinda skinnyfat right now, I can go either way.

>What should I do?
get help
>I'm kinda skinnyfat right now, I can go either way.
incorrect, try building muscle/doing basic cardio and watch how quickly you get fatigued

>>33273477
>and watch how quickly you get fatigued
I was morbidly obese in my teenage years and lost 70lbs just by fasting and doing cardio. Since then I've done 1-2month periods of cardio+dieting every year to keep my weight, but I've never gone below 143lbs (I want to reach 130)

>>33273498
>I was morbidly obese
stopped reading there, it's already over for you. pray that you'll find a degenerate fat fetishist or something

>>33273509
>pray that you'll find a degenerate fat fetishist
Dude, I'm 145 right now.

>>33273455 (OP)
>consciously know women only want muscular, masculine men
Consciously know you're gay and project your incel fantasies on women.

>>33273455 (OP)
>women only want muscular, masculine men
Yeah man let's just ignore the like 70 years of boy bands whether it's k-pop or western pop like justin bieber or justin timberlake or even loads of effeminate metrosexual soundcloud rappers as well as goths and emos and going all the way back to your grandparents' time when it was the beatles and the monkees and all that other shite

and 99.999999999% of all hollywood actors, and fashion models

Do some women prefer a muscular guy over a skinny? yeah sometimes. Don't be acting like androgynous twinks aren't like the other 50% of what women want in a man.

>>33273554
>thinks the women this attracts provides as a good example as to why you should be a twink, "goths and emos" being a legitimate comparison
retard

>>33273455 (OP)
The whole "I'm too fat" thing is a cope. Sounds like you just secretly want to be gay. Yea, it might be a turn off to some but there are plenty out there who aren't turned off by it. Just stop being insecure about it or come out of the closet and embrace your inner fag.

>>33273554
boy bands, kpop singers and hollywood actors are rich and have unbelievable social status.
At the end of the day, it's all about height, looks and status:
>you can be poor and ugly, but if you are tall you can get pussy
>you can be short and ugly, but if you are rich/famous you can get pussy
>you can be short and poor, but if you look like a miniature Chad you can get pussy

>>33273573
I'm not attracted to men THOUGH

>>33273586
not yet

>>33273455 (OP)
>consciously know women only want muscular, masculine men
I'm fat as fuck and my gf is 5'4" 110lbs. If you can't get laid it's a skill issue. And no I don't have a big dick or tons of money.

>>33273597
How tall are you? >>33273581

>>33273567
yeah man ignore the rest of my post too

>>33273581
and emo kids in high school have no money and no status

this "you need to be 7 feet tall and make 7 figures and have 7 million instagram followers: modern cope is such bullshit, kids are dating in middle school when they're nobodies with no money and no status.

you don't even have to be part of any of those specific subcultures or be korean or anything, within any give group of normal-ass normalfaggot normies there's always going to be an almost 50/50 split of skinny guys with gfs and big dudes with gfs

including fat guys.

>Women prefer muscular men over this
yeah sure lmao

>>33273610
5'10"

>>33273617
>including fat guys.
Dude, WTF are you saying - all the fat kids in my school (including me) got bullied to hell and back.
Also, "emo kids" have inherent status by being "different" and therefore "exotic". Like how white dudes in white countries are attracted to asian women simply because they are rare there.
>>33273625
>2 inches below 6 feet
Feels great to be correct.

>>33273642
>Also, "emo kids" have inherent status by being "different" and therefore "exotic". Like how white dudes in white countries are attracted to asian women simply because they are rare there.
Like I said, doesn't have to be emo or goth or anything specific.

I've know tall skinny guys with gfs who were just like boring normies that watch basketball and listen to whatever is on the radio, tall skinny guys who are wigger stoners.

Also the goths and emos and metalheads and everything - they're only exotic for normies. Withing their own circle of whatever subculture they don't have any inherent status over the next goth or emo, to everyone else in their circle they're as normal as anything else.

but yeah I guess the fat guy with gf is more like 10% of the 50% of the "big guy" demographic

>>33273662
>I've know tall skinny guys with gfs who were just like boring normies that watch basketball and listen to whatever is on the radio, tall skinny guys who are wigger stoners.
Because they are tall KEK
>Also the goths and emos and metalheads and everything - they're only exotic for normies
Yeah, I was talking about a normie woman's POV since they are the vast majority of women.

>>33273682
There's also skinny average or even short guys that get gfs you permacoper

As a short guy you're better off going twink/otter mode rather than going full dwarf mode complete with a giant beard, fuckin hell there's an entire race of people that consists entirely of short men they're called latinos. They just learn how to dance with women and go with the romantic angle and/or tough guy persona.

>Yeah, I was talking about a normie woman's POV since they are the vast majority of women.

Normie women have pretty much 0 interest in alternative guys, and vice-versa, with the genders swapped as well.
The whole point of going alternative is to cast a smaller net in a smaller pond. You want to be with your own people, not with normies.

There ARE some big & muscular metalheads/punks/goths/emos/whatever other alternative subculture, but most of them are just skinny dudes.

>>33273740
What you said actually made a lot of sense, anon. Thank you.
>As a short guy you're
I'm 5'8". I'm not sure how short this is.

>>33273766
>I'm 5'8". I'm not sure how short this is.
In a room full of philipinos and latinos you'd stand head and shoulders above the rest

>>33273831
But I like white women...

>>33273838
okay so stay away from like icelandic volleyball players and germanic women who were built for potato fields that could lift you up with one hand and raise you 7 feet into the air

do you also only like normie white women? cause the whole alternative scene is great, and mostly just white chicks too.

>>33273621
Lol this beautiful twink only got a gf when he aged out of his twink. A bunch of perverted older faggots tried to get with him, and he lashed out, and afterwards intentionally stopped dressing like that.

The teen girls who like that look at usually too shy to approach you if you look like that. Older women might think you're cute, but that's it. Those looks aren't enough unless you know how to talk to a girl and initate.

>>33273854
>do you also only like normie white women?
It doesn't matter, desu.

>>33273866
It kinda should.

I wouldn't be chasing after some girl whose only interests are sportsball games and designer hand bags.
I'd prefer some sort of literature nerd, or nature freak or anime dork something if not a full-blown goth.

>>33273889
I mean, I do have an idea of what the ideal partner for me would be like, but the pool of women who are willing to fuck me is already small due to my height and I don't want to make it any smaller.

>>33273915
>the ideal partner
sometimes "good enough" is good enough

>>33273455 (OP)
The most popular actor in the country right now is like a 120 pound twink who cant grow a beard. Not leaving your house and getting all of your information about the real world from the internet has catastrophically damaged your brain.

>>33273455 (OP)
Short narcissists love your type because you are a trophy they can push around. You can be their little beta bucks neet but remember that you are going to have to deal with the emotional manipulation. They will dedicate their lives to making you jealous and feel even better about themselves. The more they can control you, the harder they get. If they cheat on you, that is the penultimate (the ultimate is discarding you and watching you ruin your life in pain).

>>33273921
true
>>33273929
Ah yes, because women irl definitely DON'T lust over muscular, tall, dark-skinned, sharp jawline mfs, right?
>>33273937
Any relationship comes with an inherent risk of being cheated on.

>>33273455 (OP)
You can still pull it off, but you have to be a pretty boy like a K-Pop star who can sing and dance.

>>33273963
>Any relationship comes with an inherent risk of being cheated on.
Quantify "an", otherwise your point is meaningless.

>>33273963
>Ah yes, because women irl definitely DON'T lust over muscular, tall, dark-skinned, sharp jawline mfs, right?
You're literally thinking of the gigggachadddd meme image that only 4channers think is attractive

>>33273963
>Ah yes, because women irl definitely DON'T lust over muscular, tall, dark-skinned, sharp jawline mfs, right?
Literally nobody said this. The OP said women ONLY want muscular, masculine men. That's incorrect. Reality clearly shows that women want feminine men too.

>>33274060
Depends on the woman lol.
A girl who goes to nightclubs is way more likely to cheat than an introverted one, but you are never 100% safe.

>>33274082
I was actually thinking of basketball players
>>33274085
>1% of women don't want a masculine man
>"See? Some women want feminine men too!!!"

>>33274088
Narcissists don't always go out to nightclubs. They typically cheat on you with their handsome coworker, or perhaps married coworker and it becomes "their little thing"

Trust me when I say that narcissists are garbage human beings. They don't feel. They put on an act. They actively work against feeling because emotions = vulnerability and they've learned that vulnerability = they get fucked in the ass by their peers

>>33274104
>basketball players
notoriously skinny, relative to football players or MMA fighters

and yeah sure those guys are "dark" skinned. They're fuckin black, they're not white dudes with a tan.

>>33274121
That's not skinny - it's lean. They do have quite a bit of muscle.
>and yeah sure those guys are "dark" skinned. They're fuckin black
Yeah, but if I say women want black men (which is true), retards will immediatly say this is a "stealth BBC thread"

>>33273455 (OP)
>women only want
classic /adv/ retard assuming that women are a monolithic entity with one set of preferences

there's a lot of women out there who like androgynous guys, you fucking retarded faggot

>>33274136
see: >>33274104

>>33274130
its not true tho
that's just your fetish

>>33274136
99% of women will pick a 2 meter tall roidhead who just got out of prison for raping a child over a 1.7m skinny nuclear physicist who just won the nobel and a billion dollars.

>>33273455 (OP)
hell yeah sweden :3

>>33274130
disclaimer: I don't follow basketball and none of the girls I dated or socialized with or made small talk with at work and school also aren't into basketball - but I've never seen or heard or read of a girl who talked about basketball players as a whole being hot and otherwise attractive.

>>33274104
>>1% of women don't want a masculine man
If you don't mind, list like 5 or 10 men who you think are modern sex symbols that women think are attractive.

>>33274104
>1% of women don't want a masculine man
The number is far greater than 1%. This silly strawman is just your cope for the fact that reality doesn't match your redpill delusions.

>>33274419
>If you don't mind, list like 5 or 10 men who you think are modern sex symbols that women think are attractive.
Timothee Chalamet, Pete Davidson, Tom Holland, literally every K-Pop idol, that rat faced guy from that cooking show on FX. All last year there was literally a #rodentboyfriend trend on Twitter with women pining after thin, wirey dudes. Do you remember the entirety of the 80's and 90's? Guys with long hair and painted fingernails and feather boas? Remember David Bowie? Prince? Both 130 pound cross dressing bisexuals who were literal global sex icons? The list goes on. These people are truly disconnected from reality.

>>33274487
>Do you remember the entirety of the 80's and 90's?
do I ever

>>33274141
>>33274353
>t. never speaks to women, or even reads what they talk about online
>t. samefag
Die

>>33274130
>but if I say women want black men (which is true)
you have a cuckoId/BBC fetish

>>33274353
This is what sub-80 IQ incels actually believe.

>>33273455 (OP)
>women only want muscular, masculine men
They literally don't though.

>>33273455 (OP)
Not all women like the alpha male archetype, usually dominant ones and feminists like twinks

>>33273455 (OP)