31, female. I don't mean to be rude to any man, except maybe jealous incels, but I simply can't find myself to be physically attracted to avg looking men with a really kind & helpful personality. I've had several avg looking men hit on me after we became good friends, but I can only see them as a brotherly friend and not as a romantic/sexy type. I can't help but feel attracted only to tall and good looking men but I've had to suffer heartbreaks twice in my life as a result of these kinds of men, once for being turned down by a kind hearted hot man and the other time when I got cheated on by another attractive guy who I was in relationship with for 5-6 months. Are there any ways to naturally like and find avg looking, good natured men sexy? Oh and before you tell me to date avg looking emotionally unavailable men, let me be clear that I find these clowns to be viscerally disgusting as I find their unearned arrogance clownish at best. It's one thing for a hot guy to act arrogant. but it's a whole another level of looney for an avg men to behave that way. Plz help, and again I mean no offense to good natured men. I do wish to settle down with a man who'd be a good dad but I just can't find unattractive guys as a potential romantic prospect and I'm scared that I might end up having a short affair with a hot guy and ruin my marriage forever.

>>33285942 (OP)
You're a perfectionist. Perfectionists have low self esteem. They outsource their esteem to other people, in your case, you want the 'hot sexy guy' to fill that void for you. That's exhausting to be around and it's probably why your relationships failed.

>31 years old
YAAAS SLAY QUEEN!!!

I can only find my husband (and guys who look alike) attractive. Probably normal for your personal type.

>>33285942 (OP)
It's the same for everyone else, you have to be lucky and patient. The older you get, the lower the chance as guys like that more likely are faithful and don't switch partners a lot. Until then it's your choice to lower your standards or not.

>>33285942 (OP)
Attraction can't be negotiated. I only go for women who I find attractive, cheating is the price you pay for having a hot partner.
>Oh and before you tell me to date avg looking emotionally unavailable men, let me be clear that I find these clowns to be viscerally disgusting as I find their unearned arrogance clownish at best.
Actually, if an average-looking man is arrogant, it indicates that they really have earned it. Because all of the pathways for them to build a harem are extremely hard to acquire. Being born tall is unearned.

>>33285942 (OP)
>It's one thing for a hot guy to act arrogant. but it's a whole another level of looney for an avg men to behave that way.
That is some top-tier self-unawareness lmao

>>33285942 (OP)
>31, female
hahahah

>>33285942 (OP)
>31 y old roastie
No man will ever love you fucking ugly bitch. Your time is up.

>>33285942 (OP)
I look like this and would fuck you but never date you

>>33285942 (OP)
It's baked into your DNA to find above-average men attractive. There's nothing wrong with that, especially if you're above-average yourself, but you should be as reasonable as possible with whom you can realistically attract and the personalities they might have.

Two attractive men breaking your heart isn't a big sample size, but if it continues, maybe you should think about lowering your standard a number or two. Don't even think about marriage until you're confident, and even then, you can't really force it. Sometimes it's just not for everyone.

just get the cats at this point

>>33285942 (OP)
>31, female
you know what to do

>>33286346
Yeah, head to a college town and get impregnated by a 6'7, blonde haired, blue eyed handsome man and become a single mom I guess. I beginning to think that the avg man with a 'good personality' is actually a professional liar and I would much rather be a single mom of a intelligent, tall and handsome son rather than the wife of an avg looking man. I don't wish to be mocked by my female peers that I could've done better.

>>33286386
>I don't wish to be mocked by my female peers

There we go. That's what this is about. You have a poor connection to female role models.

>>33286447
why is it bad to have a peer group with high standards though? I just came across this on twitter, and I think compromising on attractiveness is a very big compromise indeed that has lasting consequences which the future generations will pay for dearly. If I have a loving family ready to help me being a single mom, why shouldn't I opt for that? It would be great if I had a man in my life as the expenses can be shared and financial burden greatly reduced, but I can't see myself ever being a wife of an average looking man or the mother of his children.

>>33286468
>why is it bad to have a peer group with high standards though?
Because:
1) you're supposed to be an individual. You're supposed to develop and know your own standards. Adopting other people's, especially our of fear of judgement or people-pleasing is a form of critical weakness. Critically weak people cannot be relied upon to be good husbands/wives/fathers/mothers.

2) That peer group doesn't actually care about you. Friends go bye-bye after 30. Because they eventually all find a home to cultivate a family of their own to raise and tend to. The peer group won't be there for you as you grow old and become vulnerable. A husband & kids can.

Even if you have a family group (mom and dad) who intend to be there for you, they won't be there forever. They will die. And it will happen sooner than you want. Around your 40's or 50's you become an orphan once they drop off. If you don't have a husband and kids by then, you're fucked.

>I just came across this on Twitter.
Try not to outsource your thinking to twitter. The image is baloney. People don't prioritize beauty in mate selection. They prioritize security. Security = divorce doesn't happen, or the partner isn't an abuser, or the partner can provide for their kids. That's what ensures healthy offspring. Beauty doesn't do that. Beauty only helps to attract potential candidates. Keeping a candidate long term requires more than looks, it requires character. If a hot woman or a hot guy has a personality disorder, the game is up. It cannot progress to a healthy stable family. You can spray a turd gold but a gold turd is still a turd.

>I have a loving family ready to help me
Again, they won't be around forever. They die long before you do.

>I can't see myself being a wife of an average man
So far you've only dated less than average as far as relationship quality. That's why they're your exes and why you're single. Regardless of looks.

>>33286502
>Try not to outsource your thinking to twitter.
macken murphy is a researcher from oxford though and chances are he is more credible than a random anon that I stumble across on this forum that's known for it's crab bucket mentality
>You can spray a turd gold but a gold turd is still a turd.
bad analogy though as attractive people also tend to have much better personalities than unattractive people.

You simply don't deserve an attractive man and you don't have the qualities to keep an attractive man, especially not at 31 lmao
So keep coping and whining, old hag.

>>33286537
I can still be a single mom though as I have a job and a loving family that can help me be one. But still, I desire to have a husband and I desperately wish to see avg looking men attractive

>>33286524
>macken murphy is a researcher from oxford though and chances are he is more credible than a random anon that I stumble across on this forum that's known for it's crab bucket mentality

He's a blue checkmark on Twitter. I don't care for social parasites or what they have to say. I am not the most knowledgeable man in this world, it is true. But I do know this: Knowledge is only earned through experience. I'm a husband and father. And from what I can see on this Murphy guy, he has no wedding band on his finger. I'm going to presume he is an unmarried man or a divorced man who makes $$$ by preying on neurotic single people and confirming their prejudices for fame. So as far as I'm concerned, the man doesn't know shit.

>Bad analogy
Looks have little to do with personality. Personality is about upbringing and mental wellness. You can look amazing but if you're from trash, you will have a trash personality. Or if you are hot but have mental disorders that affect relationships. You can be ugly and have an ugly personality. Or hot and have a good one. The reason for the variance is because it should tell you the obvious - looks don't say shit about a person in any meaningful way.

Also you fail to count on your own experiences femanon. You yourself claimed to have dated an attractive man only to get cheated on. So there goes your theory about attractive people tending to have much better personalities.

>>33286524
>macken murphy is a researcher from oxford though and chances are he is more credible than a random anon that I stumble across on this forum that's known for it's crab bucket mentality
then why are you here wanting advice? Wasting everyone's time with you autistic obsessions.

>>33286543
>I can still be a single mom though as I have a job and a loving family that can help me be one. But still, I desire to have a husband and I desperately wish to see avg looking men attractive

You can be a single mom. But you shouldn't be and shouldn't want to be. To be a good mom you need to think for people besides yourself. That means thinking of how the child can have a good life. Children to single mothers majorly do not have good lives. The lack of a father figure is psychologically devastating to any child, and it's the main reason why most criminals come from single mother backgrounds.

You're a female who has their wires crossed. I'm not a woman but I know how stable and healthy women work and what they count as attractive. Healthy women find what a man >does< as the main attractor. They see a man who works hard and has skills and passions, they find that very hard to resist. They seek to find a capable man, a dependable one, they look to his actions and his ambition. That's what normal adjusted women prioritize.

Men are the ones who prioritize beauty in their hunt for women. You are a woman who has the mating appetite of a man. And this doesn't mean you are a man or male-brained. What it typically means in my observation of girls I've met who thinks like you is this - mommy issues. Means momma or your female role models made you feel less than a woman. So you depended on daddy too much or depended on male attention to the point you began to think like one. That's why you obsess over pretty handsome boys to unhealthy amounts.

>>33286561
I was asking for ways to convince myself to find the average looking man attractive & sexy. All I get is incel vitriol here. Lol, I guess looks is something that is borderline impossible to compromise afterall. Thanks for your time all

>>33286577
You got your answer. Try looking at a man's character. Look at the things he does and why he does them. Try and weed out the 'nice guys' from the kind guys. Kind guys are not the same as nice guys. Kind guys are 50% agreeable and 50% disagreeable. They are honest. Nice guys aren't, nice guys pretend to be 100% agreeable.

Kind men are strong. Nice guys are weak. You can know this easily because the kind strong man doesn't talk of his good deeds. Because his actions show it. You don't even need to ask to see them, you get to witness them. You will notice the kind strong man handles his shit, has a job, has a hobby, has compassion but also has boundaries and self respect. You will see him speak up for people, but you will also see him tell others who disturb his peace to fuck off.

Nice guys only talk. All talk and no action. They give you sweet words and reassurances but you quickly notice they got no actions. No spine. They live like shit, or they come with a 'poor me' backstory. They may or may not have a job. But no matter which, they won't have a goal. They only work because it was expected of them. They have no goals beyond that. No passions, no fire inside. They just exist like dead fish and would prefer just rotting at home. And when the nice guy act stops, you see how toxic they really are underneath.

These are the things you should make the fundamental waypoints to define attraction and what to be attracted to.

So far, you haven't. You've just been focused only on looks and that's it. You walked into trouble before, it's why you got cheated. You could have seen that coming within the first few convos but you didn't. Because you don't think in 3-dimensions. You think only in 2-dimensions.

My advice? Stop that and start practicing something called 'intuition.' if this isnt possible, consider getting a diagnosis for ASD (autistic spectrum disorder).

>>33285942 (OP)
if men internalized how women like you viewed them the world would be a better place.

>>33285942 (OP)
You are a man larping on a mongolian sweat board

>tall and good looking men
This is a dead giveaway OP is a male incel trolling. No woman would write like this.

>>33286598
I’m not OP, but your advice is helpful to me nonetheless. I - you’re right that someone’s character should be the determining factor over their looks. And yet looks do play a role. It’s good to have attraction for your partner. OP herself mentioned she’d be worried about potentially being unfaithful if she settled for someone who was less attractive to her. So she herself admits to bad character, to lust/attraction overriding her commitment. (Potentially)

I honestly want to just hijack the thread and ask my own questions. What age did you get married?

Truthfully, men who have good character are often already in relationships. Or a woman such as OP (or myself) - knows there’s a weakness in their character that would prevent healthy relationships. OP just wants her opinion validated, that she’s #Right for not settling for a “less attractive” man. And she’ll continue to focus on men’s looks as the determining factor instead of her own faults.

>>33286904
>I’m not OP, but your advice is helpful to me nonetheless.
Happy to be of some insight

>And yet looks do play a role. It’s good to have attraction for your partner.
Yeah it is. Attraction comes in many forms. Especially the shallow attraction. Example: ask some men what they’d rather date: A girl who looks like Christina Hendricks but has the ugliest voice/accent, or a nice looking slightly above-average girl but with a smooth sultry slavic accent or french or whatever their fav girl voice is. Lotta guys would date the latter.

Or another example: 10/10 girl looks wise, physically. But she made a retarded mistake of getting covered in tattoos. Vs. 7/10 girl with not a tattoo in sight. Lots of men would go for the latter.

Sometimes attraction is deeper than skin. It can be abour fashion, gracefulness, or just retarded cute quirks about a girl, either in her appearance or even her behaviour.


>what age did you get married?
30

>Truthfully, men who have good character are often already in relationships.
Maybe. Ive always been in relationships. Never had an issue getting girls. Though im not sure i had good character back then. Back then I was young and immature. So were my exes. Thats why i never made it to marriage with them. After time experience and growth I picked a better girl as well as working on my problems and just like that, marriage came easy.

I think the best relationships are the ones where both people are self-aware of their own faults. And they also sccept each other’s faults maturely and both choose to love each other ans build a relationship together from the ground up, bringing out the best in each other.

I think the real issue worh relationships today, esp younger ones, is people expect the relationship to be good/great/perfect right out of the box. They want it to be prebuilt. good ones are built from scratch. They take work, commitment, effort. They grow, slowly.

People just want to fall into love, not grow into it.

>another bait thread
Yawwwwn, go back

>>33287038
I think you might’ve given me advice before on this board.
I think you’re right, it has to be built. Commitment, love, consideration. It has to fixed in place, stone by stone.

I’ll be brutally honest, that as a woman, even as a teenager, attraction felt innate. It was either there or not. But I’ve realized that isn’t a good indication to follow at all. Not by itself.

I think a lot of people, myself included, find it difficult to meet people. You can be in an airport with thousands of other travelers and not get approached by one. You can be in a grocery store and walk past everyone else without a word. People lack community. People lack dependable relationships with family or friends. I lack those things. I think a lot of people here do. I’m glad you’ve done the work to find someone and feel supported by that. It’s good to have a voice here that can share what that experience is like.

>>33285942 (OP)
>I do wish to settle down with a man who'd be a good dad
You're too old, its too late, those guys already married one of your female competitors and they're off the dating market, raising their kids, etc.
You're only going to meet guys of that level at daycare or their family taking them out for a Father's Day picnic or helping his wife push a stroller.
At your advanced empty egg carton age, I'd suggest investing in boxed wine and many cats and maybe redecorating your room in mid 2010s "words on wall" I'm sure a nice "live laugh love" stencil will cure your loneliness.

>>33287038
>Or another example: 10/10 girl looks wise, physically. But she made a retarded mistake of getting covered in tattoos.
Your logical mistake is a girl covered in tattoos is a 3/10 at most, be definition can't be a 10/10. THAT is why guys would date the 7/10.
Self destruction is never attractive (well, not to non-mentally ill guys). Maybe she was a 10/10 before self destruction set it, who cares she isn't anymore, any more than a 105 year old grannie "used to be a 10/10" who cares now.

>>33287151
But, the bots have been posting bait threads that are FUN today. I don't like the lame bait threads but today's they've been fun.

>>33285942 (OP)
>31
Oh dear

subhuman incels itt seething and fuming at foid OP's options of just being a cum rag or using donor sperm because she just can afford to be a single mom if she wants to. kek, like clockwork

>>33285942 (OP)
I think you should just stay single and date AI Robots or synthetic life designed by you in the future. Possible isekai in VR/AR. Develop your life. If you happen to get a guy like you want that's cool, but you shouldn't count on external factors ultimately your control to make you happy. It's possible you get your dream man.

>>33287675
Its not seething and fuming. Its just terribly disappointing and sad. I feel the same way when I see other guys pay whores for sex. Yeah it was their option to be a coomer and pay for the whore, but its like damn. They’re better than this but don't act like it.

Same’s true when I see women go down the “i don't need no man/i can fuck whoever I want/single mom” route. It's just sad.

>>33287735
>choosing men only for their loox is le bad
ok incel. Women can choose whoever they want and you can't do jackshit to stop them from that

>>33285942 (OP)
Stay away from the average-looking good men. You don't deserve them and never will because you are ugly on the inside. The fact that you're already hypothesizing having an affair with someone else just because your partner isn't "sexy" to you is fucking disgusting, and you are a disgusting person. There is nothing wrong with having preferences, but you're taking it way too far. This comes from your own feelings of inadequacy, that you need to have a trophy to show off to your friends, so they can see how cool you are with your hot guy. That man is nothing but an accessory to you, a purse or something else that is easily replaced and thrown away. You're 31 years old and alone, and you're going to stay that way because you'll ruin whatever relationship you have with someone that may legitimately love you. You don't know how to love and you are a defective individual. Stay away from those guys, they deserve better women.

>>33285942 (OP)
Not sure if bait,or just 0 self-awareness.

>>33287752
Who says i wanna stop them from choosing that?

>>33285942 (OP)
>31, female
Don't settle for anything less than perfect. Even if you die old and alone, it's better than being with some average man who would've loved you and given you a family.

>>33286543
Kill yourself, ugly narcissistic bitch

>>33287154
>I think you might've given me advice before
Possibly, if so hello again

>I think you’re right, it has to be built. Commitment, love, consideration. It has to fixed in place, stone by stone
Absolutely. And it's hard at first. It's not always sunshine and rainbows, it takes being vulnerable insofar as being honest about mutual limitations and faults. But it's also about recognizing each other's strengths. The ideal is accepting you suck at some aspect of the relationship, but are good at another. If your partner is mature enough to acknowledge the same, then what happens is you both cover each other's weak points. Reciprocity is the ideal. Not to be confused for transaction.

>I’ll be brutally honest, that as a woman, even as a teenager, attraction felt innate. It was either there or not. But I’ve realized that isn’t a good indication to follow at all. Not by itself.

Yeah it was the same for me. It's the fine difference between infatuation vs. love. No one can fall in love at first sight, they can fall into infatuation though. But actual love takes time to build. It can be built with someone you fall into infatuation with, or someone you didn't. Doesn't matter which in the end, because infatuation fades after 2-3 years no matter how hot or handsome the partner is. Familiarity breeds contempt and all that. (In reality it just breeds indifference). Unless love is chosen. Cuz love is a choice at the end of the day. You choose to date your partner even if it's been years, putting efforts in, and the good times keep rolling.

>I think a lot of people, myself included, find it difficult to meet people.
True. What I sought instead was situations > people. It's far easier to seek situations. By situations I mean social circles, groups, activities, hobbies, locations, Could be anything. Just a desire to go and talk about something you enjoy somewhere, anywhere. Could be online or offline.

People come along with situations without even having to try.

>>33285984
>man is arrogant, it indicates that they really have earned it
Unrelated traits

>>33285942 (OP)
That's quite alright, OP. Be aware, though, that chad is a cheater, and your future will be as a single mom producing messed up kids that the fascists will eventually have to exterminate.

>>33285942 (OP)
Like a job applicant who keeps getting rejected you may need to compromise on your demands, you may need to become more qualified to seal the deal or just give up on the pursuit entirely. Maybe you can change nothing and keep playing the numbers game, but I doubt this will work out as your appeal only decreases with increased age.

>>33285942 (OP)
Die single fatty.

Even hot people don't get to be nasty and judgmental.

Bot containment thread

>>33285942 (OP)
>31
>still looking for hot guys
There’s more to being a good partner than just being hot. A lot more. Men face the same dilemma where the hottest girls you can be with often tend not to be good partners. And that’s not a coincidence. Very attractive people tend to have more personality flaws and especially hot guys tend to be promiscuous.

Anyway, your preferences are not serving you. I think it is good to demand attraction to your partner. However, if you are seeking near physical perfection practically that may not lead to a good result. In all honesty, you’re already late in the game. You’ve passed your peak attractiveness, you’ve only got 4 more years til you’re a geriatric pregnancy. A lot of women have this sense they can just passively do whatever and the universe or something will solve things for them, but you are already half way through falling through the cracks. It’s a problem, but it’s your problem to solve. And the solution probably involves learning to be attracted to men who are attractive without necessarily being elite or perfect. If you price yourself out of the market, the world is just going to spin on as you grow old and bitter, alone.

>>33285942 (OP)
I would be there for you baby, all the way. I would lick you like an ice cream until you melted into a sticky mess. Then I would slide your popsicle onto my stick and call you my little iceblock. I would give you a red silk scarf and tie you up with it, then ravage you like a wolf with rabies.

>>33285942 (OP)
>let me be clear that I find these clowns to be viscerally disgusting as I find their unearned arrogance clownish at best. It's one thing for a hot guy to act arrogant. but it's a whole another level of looney for an avg men to behave that way
top fucking kek. i was with you initially, everyone likes attractive people, and you are in the majority of women for not being attracted to most guys.

but this. you might as well just accept what you are already subconsciously projecting here: you can have your hot man, but you'll never be more than a concubine. you say yourself, they have a right to arrogance, what makes you think that they're settling for you and only you?

>>33285942 (OP)
At 31, your prime was more than a decade ago. You’re likely to die alone at this point

This thread is obviously bait.
>>33289060
This.

>>33285942 (OP)
sucks to be a loser, my bf is funny, caring and loyal and the best looking man ive ever met
although thats not why i picked him, ive been with some ugly mfrs in my youth, most girls care more about charisma than looks which is how i know this is another bait - kys<3

>>33285942 (OP)
>31
I don't care about your opinion. Your eggs are gone.

>>33289598
>women don't care about a man's looks!
Yes and no. They don't REALLY care, but they will always choose a good looking boring guy over a charismatic, funny, charming mid-looking guy (as a first date / swipe).

>>33289598
Based larper tranny who's atleast being useful for once for the male cause.
>>33285942 (OP)
Bitch, how long do you think it's going to take for men to take power and force children of single moms to be sterilized at birth? Kiss good bye to your genetic lineage loox obsessed whore cuz your days and those of Chads are numbered

>>33289598
OP is most likely mentally ill, you can't expect normal behaviour or the usual logical thinking. It's just another femanon thinking they are better by default as a female despite acting the same as incels.

Best case scenario you maintain this mindset and only person whose life you are gonna ruin is yourself

Worst case scenario you are gonna get humbled by desperation and ruin some loser's life.

>>33289701
most realistic scenario of OP's poor betabuxx husband

>>33289656
as a swipe?? ofc, if i cant tell whose funnier or cooler, im gonna pick the one im more attracted to ( never used tinder tho)
doesnt change the fact that we care more about other stuff
>>33289672
thats bc im not a tranny

>>33285942 (OP)
Not my problem, I know for a fact that females find loneliness extremely mentally excruciating, they need a guy in their lives otherwise they'll go insane, especially if there's no kids LMFAO
Men can handle loneliness way better as most lonely guys have always been alone because no one wanted them
The problem is that most lonely guys have become blackpilled about life and can see through your foid bullshit, so they'll become rarer when you need them, and the attractive chads won't want you because you're a used up post wall hag
A lot of women will come to this realization in a few years, it's already starting

What I am saying is that roasties like you will suffer and I'll be happy to see you suffer despite not knowing about each other's existence, I just know that somewhere out there some 30+ year old whore is having her daily mental breakdown because she's alone and no guy wants to be her anymore and her time is running out

>>33290266
> doesnt change the fact that we care more about other stuff
>entire post about only looking for elite looking men despite it leading to ruin
Ffs. I agree that men are shallower than women, but not by that much. And at least men can realize when they need to compromise whereas you just destroy yourself with unrealistic expectations at 31. You should have figured this out a long time ago, you’re pursuing the wrong things.

>>33285942 (OP)
>31 female
Lol

>>33290857
cope. these broads always have something to fall back on, you underestimate just how many desperate/naive guys are out there. and i say this as someone who opted out of the game myself, they don't even know we exist.

>>33290859
>men are shallower than women
i don't know about that one chief.

>>33285942 (OP)
>31, female
an average 18 year old is much hotter than you just based on age alone

>>33291114
>he doesn't know the level of desperation of the NU male that the old hag could capitalize on, atleast as a betabuxx

>>33286524
Lol you are a RETARD.
Why do you think you could be any mans(at least in my world) BEST friend?
You want a man's image and attraction to be a coincidental byproduct of their embodiments/values .

>>33286543
>I can still destroy my children while coping and panicking about how little free time and energy I have for myself
Lololol holy shit fuck off already and work on yourself, if you are being honest then you are honestly rancid. Whatever good looks and money be damned.

>>33285942 (OP)
No dont date down ever. Try aiming for one who was fat in childhood or comes from a messed up household so that he is kind and good to you regardless. You will NEVER love someone you're not immediately attracted to, let's not be delusional here. Just keep trying. Try church maybe also. Here's the kicker: if you are that picky in looks you must give him leeway in other things. Maybe he wants to go nonverbal and autistically game for a whole day and you must accept that. Your reward: big dick on a guy that towers over you as he hugs you. It's worth it.

>>33291415
lol explain to me why women dated disgusting manblobs in the past or why attractive religious women date guys who look like trolls. Women clearly don't actually care about looks in a man, it's purely a modern day pickiness because women have tons of options. There simply aren't enough good looking men to 1-to-1 good looking women, and even if there are, those good looking men are dating hot 20 year olds instead of used-up 31 year olds like OP.

Women are fucking miserable if they grow old and alone. Conversely, women can very easily grow to love a guy they're with for a long time. It's just how women are wired. And to be honest, that's the best way for society to function because it leads to the most number of happy couples. Any self-respecting guy should rightfully find a 21 year old wife in the Philippines if his only options in the West are fatties and oldies. Women did this to themselves.

>>33292400
women literally are wired to hate ugoos though and will not hesistate to cuck them if they get the chance

>>33285942 (OP)
Kek, one of my friends of the past was like you. She got cummed and dumped by guys she was totally into, but rejected all the good guys that were genuinely interest in her and a long term relationship (including me to some degree). Fast forward a decade, it turns out she is a miserable and lonely hag now lmao.

Also a similar story with a friends ex, except on top of being lonely and miserable, she also became a single mome and fat. And by fat I mean like 2.5 to 3 times the size she was before. Literally a sphere. Sad really. But also funny.

>>33285942 (OP)
i hope you get raped by the ugliest guy possible and are then too traumatized to get railed by those top 5% chads you're attracted to. you stupid whore. it would be justice.

>>33286904
>Truthfully, men who have good character are often already in relationships.

that's because you're only focusing on chads you filthy fucking skank

>>33285942 (OP)
I have sympathy for you and i'll give you a reasonable answer after i settle one thing you said there.
>I find these clowns to be viscerally disgusting as I find their unearned arrogance clownish at best. It's one thing for a hot guy to act arrogant. but it's a whole another level of looney for an avg men to behave that way.
This is a completely delusional and retarded statement and it genuinely makes me think you don't deserve love. If you want to have your standards thats fine, it only affects you at the end of the day. But don't shit on the men who have confidence and don't bend to your value hierarchy. Perhaps those men DO have women into them or have experience that warrants their confidence, maybe they have internal confidence that doesn't rely on validation from vapid whores. I'm glad that makes you angry I suppose.
>I don't mean to be rude to any man
That's exactly what you are doing by getting genuinely mad that any man other than the men you are attracted to could possibly have confidence or not like you.
Also calling them "emotionally unavailable" is hilarious. They just don't want you bro. When a hot guy is cold and distant I bet its hot to you, when a regular guy does it its emotionally unavailable. I hate this fucking tiktok therapy speak. Just say it with your chest.

Anyways, the real answer is you are kinda fucked and it isn't your fault at all. Incels will try to blame you and tell you to learn to settle, but we both know how that would go. It wouldn't be fair to you or him. You deserve a partner you can love, he deserves a partner that actually loves him and isn't "settling".
The fact of the matter is women are as every bit at the whims of societal pressure and conditioning as men are. You've been conditioned to have those standards and proclivities by western simp culture and social media. It's not your fault. I don't know the answer. If you aren't attractive enough to get and more importantly keep that level of man, then you're fucked

>>33296872
Unlike others here, I don't want you to be lonely and miserable for something you can't control.
I wish things were more equitable, but they're not.
I'd just genuinely try to make yourself as suitable for a high value man as possible. That means not being a whore, not getting any more bodies than you already have, and becoming more traditional. The kind of woman these guys would actually quit their pump and dump lifestyle to settle down with because they can actually respect and trust you to raise their children.

If there's ever an avenue to expand your attraction to more average men, that would be helpful. Just don't do it when your washed and about the hit the wall with 10+ bodies. Those good guys don't deserve to get manipulated by you after you rejected them for so long.

That's my blog post. Take it as you will.

>>33285942 (OP)
You only find hot guys that dont exist attractive because you have low self esteem and reject men in your league as some form of self sabotage to protect yourself or boost your self esteem

>>33296872
>If you aren't attractive enough to get and more importantly keep that level of man, then you're fucked
I don't think women are fucked at all, especially when there are folks like elon musk, pavel durov, etc., who are ready to donate their sperm and some of their wealth to help raise single moms. The only group that is genuinely fucked is the bottom 80-90% of men who have nothing to offer as they're either poor or only make avg amount of money sufficient enough to pay mortgages, groceries and insurance, but not sufficient enough to afford instagram lifestyle, the kind of lifestyle that the avg woman wants. Think from a woman's perspective. Why would a woman have to put up with an avg looking dude making avg money when there are 100s of simps ready to do just that, if not more? What value, be it monetary or genetic value, does the avg man provide for the avg woman, who btw is already a step or two ahead in life and has more perceived status & value by society? You're only going to see even more usage of sperm donation services in the coming years. Denmark has 1% of it's population that was conceived through donor sperm and that number is only going to rise up.

>>33285942 (OP)

well, maybe go to europe. pretty man, very flirty, don’t care about age.

i have this feeling that people in the us care too much about age, in a hyper capitalist society where everything is disposable, feels like being 25 is already pushing it.

you are young and very capable to date a nice looking man, also it’s easier for women. so just travel, go to maybe a hostel, to pubs, to concerts, chat with people on internet. just have to be active.

find hobbies and go to classes.

i dated 2 guys from college, you just need something in common to bound over :3

don’t listen to these incels, they wish they could be a woman for 10 minutes

>>33300691
Cope.
It's the retarded female mentality that causes most issues. You have no sense of responsibility and accountability, hence you make so many stupid decisions in your life and then cry about how cruel the world is, that all men are bad and other nonsense like this.

>>33285942 (OP)
lol

>>33300691
>don’t listen to these incels, they wish they could be a woman for 10 minutes
this. Perhaps life at the bottom 90% does suck for men. I just love being an attractive man and would love to donate my seed to those in need like OP

>>33300893

wow! what a chad you are!

i know many guys like you in real life. they get laid so much. women are all over them because they of course have good genetics, have game, present themselves well, are successful and know how to chat up women! the only problem is, since i know them in person, i can see that they are short and ugly, so don't really take their word for it. with you i can't confirm it either way. may actually be a sperg chad who is on 4chan to brag.

life is tough for the top 90% yes :'( i wish i could be an elite like you!

>>33285942 (OP)
That's ok. I'm only attracted to beautiful women but I still know they're going to vapid and dumb even if they look good, because they're women.

>>33301061
the majority is by definition 'not good' and women do not like the majority of men. You literally have to be at the top incel. Nice fantasies you've got there. hahaha. Do send your girlfriend to me and I'll bless her with a 6'5 chad chadson or a sexy staceyjane.

this is not how women type. please tell me you people are only treating this as real because it reaffirms your biases. that would be marginally less retarded than actually thinking it's real

>>33285942 (OP)
>Are there any ways to naturally like and find avg looking, good natured men sexy?

No. My mom told me when I was a teen you can compromise (the trade off is he's gonna have other women but you have the ring) and accept the risk for a good looking man (and he will make pretty babies) but no matter how hard you try you will never make an average guy good looking.

>>33301259

Thank you! I worked hard on those fantasies. hahaha.

You're at the top, right? What percentile would you say?

You can't just be tall though, right? Being successful in other ways is better than not being so, so you have to say that you are. What else makes you attractive?

>>33302032
>You can't just be tall though, right?
I'm tall, handsome, blessed with a good voice and a carefree personality that women often refer to as 'toxic' but still flock to me as they find me irresistible. I do have a decent paying job, but nothing like making 300k+. However, I do plan on becoming a fitness & self-improvement influencer to scam gullible retards with my good looks. I've been sexually harassed several times by old and young women and have been catcalled numerous times, especially by ethnic women.
>You're at the top, right? What percentile would you say?
I'd wager I'd fall on the 98th percentile easily in terms of my overall SMV. I'm 199cm tall on a bad day and about 201-202cm tall on a good day. I've been asked several times if I'm a model. I think I might end up doxxing myself on this god forsaken forum if I reveal anything more than this.
>Thank you! I worked hard on those fantasies. hahaha.
you did. keep up with the good cope. It sucks to suck losing the genetic lottery fren, but it is what it is. Good luck in the next reincarnation

>>33290859
what? im not op. op is obviously a larp and bait
anyway, sure, women can be shallow as fuck too. not me though, im autistic! i need my man to be
-a nerd
-weirdo
-like /mu/core
-say n igger
-like norm macdonald
- not have micropenis
and thats what i have now!!
last one is the shallowest but im sure you can understand. i like sucking dick and i dont know how to if it does not have SOME length. i feel real bad for those guys, i actually had sex with one and he wrote me years later thanking me for giving him self confidence. damn
anyway im ramblingg

>>33285942 (OP)
>31, female
>writes a huge paragraph
yeah I'm not reading all that, but most likely any issue you have is that you're a whore

>31 years old
you're at least 10 years too old to be talking or thinking like this grandma
drink some prune juice and take an enema to calm down

>>33285942 (OP)
the avg eugenic feminazi who doesn't wish to be called out as a female nazi, circa 2025

>>33304545

I knew it! I knew you wouldn't disappoint! Wow you're a chad in every way!

But wait a moment... Some people would say 300k isn't even considered to be that much in some areas. You can't leave it at that, you have to have some sort of bonus that makes it so you make 500k a year minimum. You have some bonus or investments on the side, right? Your business plan doesn't do it because there's no guarantee of that being successful.

Also. Mathematically, a 98th percentile means every second classroom in a school has a guy like you. That's a dime a dozen. You messed that up too.

As it stands right now, you would be a loser in terms of both income and looks by some standards. You can't let that fly. You have to address that in your next response or you're not a real 4chan chad.

>>33304545
>you did. keep up with the good cope. It sucks to suck losing the genetic lottery fren, but it is what it is. Good luck in the next reincarnation
It does! :( but at least I can say I talked to someone like you and you actually noticed me! It's tough not being super successful and superior like you though! :'(

>>33305212
>Also. Mathematically, a 98th percentile
I said I'd fall on the 98th percentile easily, which means I'm atleast in the 98th percentile and very much likely above that, specifically amongst young white men under 30. You can only cope so much incel. Money does matter, but not as much as looks when it comes garnering attention & attraction from women

>>33305415
how much above that? very much likely above that but can you estimate?

i am not coping, just saying for many people you are a loser

also what's your actual income? because you changed the percentile but didn't address that

>>33285942 (OP)
these sound like normal preferences. as long as you're not being actively disrespectful towards these men you aren't attracted to, what's the problem here?

a lot of men aren't physically attracted to avg basic women either. it's fine. there's literally hundreds of millions of men and women who do find average people attractive. you don't need to be one of them lmao

>>33305463

a rejection is pretty disrespectful though. a rejection means "you're not good enough". one time is fine but many rejections are definitely a reason to be personally offended.

then foids complain "this piece of shit spiked my drink and raped me, he knew he had ZERO chance i would consent!" well that's why you deserved it you whore jfl. should've consented and she wouldn't have gotten raped.

>>33305473
...? what are you, fucking retarded?

what is she supposed to do? go out with a guy just to be nice? go on a date with someone she doesn't find attractive... just to be nice?

you're retarded beyond repair lmfao. incels are something else - you subhumans blow me away every single time i interact with you

>>33305473
This is insane even for incel shit. You literally sound like a bona fide rapist lmfao.
Bro even actual rapists would probably think you're retarded. Most of them know they're wrong, they just don't care. Yet here you are actually trying to justify rape and make it sound reasonable. What the fuck?

>>33305491

no she should actually be into men if she is a straight woman, not into a 1% of men

if she legit doesn't find men attractive then it's no point, she shouldn't date ugly or short men out of pity, but then she deserves to get raped by virtue of being like that.

>>33305493

i can tell you right now, that the average "best friend" who then spikes the girls drink and rapes her, may not literally have an inner monologue along the lines of "this is justified because she believes i am not good enough", but the resentment and feeling of injustice is there.

>>33305508
I dont know why my post was removed but I'll say it again. This is insane even for incel shit. What the actual fuck am i reading haha

>she deserves to get raped by virtue of being like that
You're telling me you don't have preferences, then? Do you like 99% of women? You're telling me you'd date fat women, pooners, indian and black women? Women who can't cook or clean? I already know the answer: you fucking wouldn't. If you're allowed to have preferences, why aren't they?

>but the resentment and feeling of injustice is there
Ok. And that justifies it for you?

You people call women whores, but then get angry that they won't freely open their legs for you (while offering literally almost nothing in return). You call them whores with zero standards, and then get mad when they do not act like whores with zero standards. You get so mad, that you think it would be understandable for you to rape and violate a woman just because of how mad you are over not getting laid. Your level of retardation is genuinely difficult to comprehend.

You're a worthless subhuman who should be shot. Can't wait until you're removed from the gene pool kek

>>33305541
my preferences are reasonable, not something like top 1% only jfl

i dont call them whores with zero standards, i call them whores for chads. they unironically are chads and tyrone's toilets. i support rape because i want the same human rights as attractive men.

>>33305454
>how much above that? very much likely above that but can you estimate?
idk, cuz 100 %ile is the limit but I'd wager that there are still 50 or so men in the world who may look just as attractive as me. Even if I were a supposed 'loser', according to you that is, I'm still less of a loser comapred to you, by a vast vast margin

>>33285942 (OP)
I know a girl who got really handsome son of multi-millionaire business owner. She caught him when they both were 21. Her now husband, if he was single would be still out there looking for 21 years olds and so does your attractive man. Either you fix your overblown ego issues or start investing in cats.

>>33285942 (OP)
>31
>too picky
Are you aware of your own value as a woman right now?

>>33285942 (OP)
stellar bait

>>33285942 (OP)
Meanwhile those hot guys are totally fine marrying an average girl if she has a good personality, and not only do you not have a good personality, you're 31. Hmm. Good luck

>>33304617
You're very clearly a tranny, so stop larping as a woman

>>33285942 (OP)
Please let this be a troll post
Otherwise, you need to take a step back from dating and look inwards heavily.
You sound like an extremely shallow and unaware person. Your stance on men are disgusting and shallow. I've known frat guys with a better head for relationships than you, since they will at times at least see the beauty of someone truly kind and understanding in the opposite sex. You seem repulsed by it.
Seriously, lay off dating for a few months, see a therapist or just talk to someone about this offline, and stop viewing men as meat.
For the love of God, do it.

>>33305786
>Are you aware of your own value as a woman right now?
who's gonna tell this nigger than even 60 year old ugly hags are still seen as valuable thx to skyhigh heoflation?

>>33305944
>even 60 year old ugly hags are still seen as valuable thx to skyhigh heoflation?

Has anyone told you that your desperate low standards is not reality? You think 60 year olds are fuck able, not most people.

>>33305953
>You think 60 year olds are fuck able, not most people.
I don't, but clowns who support & lick the heels of the gynocracy do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR6pBY1_MHY

>>33285942 (OP)
It's simple.
Just avoid unattractive men, don't do anything that gets the attention of unattractive men, and do whatever you can to expose yourself only to attractive men.
If looks is your absolute priority, you must be willing to make a trade-off on everything else.
For instance, an attractive but abusive man is preferable to an unattractive man who will take a bullet for you in your case. When attractiveness means so much to you, you most likely will be able to endure any suffering that comes along with seeking an attractive man. Humans can usually endure pain and suffering for whatever they consider meaningful/important to them, so putting up with an attractive but abusive man shouldn't be all that difficult for you.
On the other hand, you won't value an unattractive man even if he is on your side come hell or high water, because love or loyalty from an unattractive man will mean nothing to you.
As long as you are willing to accept the outcome of your choice with solemn dignity, you shouldn't feel so conflicted about openly and confidently seeking an attractive man.
There is no guarantee that you will get the exact outcome you desire, but having to accept the risk of failure should also be an acceptable tradeoff in your pursuit of an attractive man if it is that important to you.
Hope this helps.

>>33305780

Of course you're not a loser compared to me! At all! You're like super alpha and superior.

I knew 98% would have to be a mistake. Only 50 people in the world, that's top 0,0000006%. That's better!

But you didn't address money. I will ask again. How much money do you make? You said under 300k, but that's not that much like I said. So what are you going to say now? Are you going to come up with some investment, bonus or business that you have to increase that number? Or what?

>>33305780

also. may i see a pic of you? just to see what traits make a perfect face.

>>33306284
I could care less about money when I can slay bitches so easily.
>>33306323
nyet

>>33306436

i thought you were going to change your income. i cant believe you didn't say you make millions or something.

alright seriously though nobody believes that some 4chan sperg is top 50 in the world in looks

idk why spergs overrate themselves so much on looks

lol, what the hay do you think your attention is even worth? what skills have you mastered? why are you worthy of hot guys who have looks on par with you and an actual personality and skills that they worked to build?

>>33285942 (OP)

if not troll, look up hoe math videos and start from the beginning, you are desperately in need of self-awareness

also post face and body and the mob will determine if you are worthy of a henry cavill

Oh sweet, an r/foreveralone thread.

>>33285942 (OP)
How do men allow these literal freaking Nazis to walk amongst them, Nazis who literally could care less if their individual actions eventually adds up to the collective genocide of men, because allmost all of the women think along the same lines?

>>33309892
>subhuman faggots literally demanding for sexual communism itt
I see no problem in women exercising free choice to choose who gets to live on genetically and who gets to die forever. I thought you clowns loved nazis. Oh wait, except only when you happen to be treated as subhumans who must be eradicated from the genepool rightfully so do you flinch and scorn how immoral it is. Life is a brutal darwinistic struggle faggots and you deserve all the anger and righteous cruelty that gets hurled against you.

>>33285942 (OP)
It's completely normal what you're experiencing. You evolved to seek out the best genes.

>>33286053
M
Incel is having a melty :D

>31, female.

i can't believe this many people responded to such obvious bait, you people are beyond help

>>33312097
>t.shitgened incel coping hard with female sexual selection

>>33313992
I sure wonder where the projection comes from, who could possibly be behind this thread?
not a single living soul on earth cares about what a 31 year old female is attracted to btw, you should keep that in mind next time you attempt larping as a woman

>>33285942 (OP)
Mid women give me the -ick. Ugly women I just feel sorry for them for maybe one second then look away but mid women give me the ick, especially when they open their mouth about some inane bullshit nobody cares about.

>>33285942 (OP)
>31, female
Beggars don't get to choose.

>>33314043
I'm neither a woman nor the retarded OP. I'm neither an incel nor a delusional retard like you either. I'm just a curious observer of copes that you losers use & abuse, mostly with poor results

>>33314239
calling out blatant ragebait somehow makes me delusional, alright then schizo
>I-I'm totally not an incel nor a loser btw! even though nobody asked! g-guys?
you should really try to not project as much if you want to larp as a "curious observer"

>>33314324
lolol, the absolute state of incel seethe

>>33314335
>keeps exposing himself by doing the same thing yet again
...some people really are beyond help. perhaps someone else can point you in the right direction, I'm all out of (You)s

Same but with chick's, I say if they don't turn you on even after you've jerked off (give it a couple minutes after) then it's not worth it.

>>33314411
>gets called out as an incel
>immediately claims the thread is b8 and that I'm OP
why are you incels so bitter all the time and how can you always be so retarded?

I love women like you OP. You eventually become insane and the meltdown is hilarious.

>>33314853
>still projecting and trying to deflect
also i said the thread is bait before your seething hands replied to me, you're trying to so hard and still can't sell it

>>33314999
keep coping loser

>>33315710
make sure to forever cherish all these (You)s you got from me, no one will give this much attention to your worthless truecel existence ever again

>>33315731
>truecel
nigger that's you, not me. Keep seething like the loser you're and you'll sudoku yourself in no time.

>>33285942 (OP)
31 years old? Good fucking luck lady. Im like a 6-7 out of 10, I cant imagine any real 9-10/10 going for anything 26+.

>>33285942 (OP)
Yea thats pretty banal nowadays

>>33285942 (OP)
Watch "hoe_math". Great resource for men and women.

Why are people even responding to this garbage

>>33285942 (OP)
that's pretty normal i think, you want the "sugar" so to speak rather than the celery

>>33286386
> I don't wish to be mocked by my female peers that I could've done better.
This is an Indianism on par with the “chocolate bar cocks” guy on /pol/.