how do I truly give up on people, friends, and relationships?
>you dont want to do that
i am ignoring posts like this

Disconnect yourself from everything in your life and push people away. If anyone says anything about how you treat them don't acknowledge their feelings and talk about why you treat them that way

>>33302650
i already do that but i still cant shake the feeling of wanting to try which is the problem at hand.

>>33302651
Why do you want to try? Might it be "hope"?

>>33302641 (OP)
can we at least know why you want to do that

>>33302651
So then be a human and have connection like we're supposed to. If you were really meant to be this way then you wouldn't have a hard time with it. What are you even so scared of anyways? Do you think everyone who wants a connection to you isn't scared shitless also?

>>33302657
Because he's a selfish moron who thinks being a hermit is le epic.

>>33302662
or maybe because he doesnt want to deal with people like you?

>>33302656
yes. hope is whats killing me. i wish to be hopeless
>>33302657
ive always been a loner and i just cannot handle social situations or le society at all. i prefer my own company and devices. i know that im not really missing anything and if i just pushed beyond my base instincts then id be way happier
>>33302662
being a hermit would be pretty cool desu
>>33302665
that too

>>33302665
Good thing I'm not the only person in the world who has potential to have a connection to OP

>>33302674
What do you even mean by 'base instincts'? How would pushing this make you feel better?

>>33302641 (OP)
I won't read threads that request something that OP can just by default do without asking here. His asking here is simply attention-seeking; in other words, he doesn't really want to give up people since he is asking people here to help him.

>>33302675
faggots like you are the majority though so why bother?
>>33302696
i mean like the force that drives people to be with each other. we are a social species so it exists in me but i want to kill it because it is an unproductive feeling. if i can get rid of it i can be a lot more productive instead of feeling bad about myself
>>33302716
this doesnt work when you make it obvious that you read the thread

>>33302641 (OP)
>i am ignoring posts like this
Then don't ask for advice. You want someone to agree with your retardation, you don't want actual advice. The actual advice is that you are a moron who is running from some sort of problem in you life in the vain hope it goes away. The reality is that it will never go away until you confront it, and if you don't unfuck yourself in a decade (possibly sooner) you will end up killing yourself with this current life path.

>>33302665
People like you are the types to be avoided, you enable people destroying themselves and think that you're being considerate. When the considerate option is to tell people the truth. You are the type to let a friend play Russian roulette or shoot up heroin to make them happy, instead of caring about them and preventing it.

>>33302641 (OP)
You can't. Human ontology. Cry about it.

>>33303376
"People" like you are the actual worst.
>>33302662
>>33303399
Same with both of you.

>>33303632
You sure care a lot about other people for someone who claims to not. KEK

You're such a fag that you can't even shake the feeling of wanting to have a connection. You're a poser of deep lamentation and isolation. You are not the animal you think you are. This is fueled by a deep fear you refuse to acknowledge.

You lack the makings of a hermit, don't even think you are scholarly enough to venture into that realm of being.

>>33303804
that wasnt me. i think their posts are just ok
>>33303818
yeah probably but isnt it just easier to kill the part that fears to begin with?
>>33303851
yeah youre right. im more like a bridge troll

>>33302641 (OP)
you don't want to do that

>>33303632
Someone who cares will tell people what they need to hear, not what they want to hear.

>>33304075
And those are the people I hate, the ones who are convinced they "care" but don't fucking get it. I'd rather be validated by people who don't actually care, as hollow as that validation may be. I'm not OP btw; I'm the anon who wrote this: >>33303632

>>33303804
Forgot to quote you here: >>33304297

>>33304297
You don't have to "get it" in order to care. I don't have to understand why a schizophrenic who thinks he's the son of Jesus reasons that the walls are sentient beings hiding gold from him. If I care about a person I can acknowledge their feelings without feeding into that delusion, because feeding into mental illness actively harms someone. I'm sorry, but you are wrong. It's not validating by enabling someone to ruin thier life. It's harm. If you want validation for your feelings sure, but encouraging damaging behaviour isn't validation. It's seeking justification for giving up and dwelling in mentally ill cope, when you know it's unreasonable.

I'm a 34 year old avoidant virgin. If you want to be alone, you have to become very independent. I work remotely and make 6 figures and never leave my house or interact with the outside world. Being financially secure is most important

>>33304342
You've just demonstrated how little you understand, and how worthless your "caring" is. It's not beneficial, it just causes more pain and friction. You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped, and I wouldn't want to be helped by someone who grossly misunderstands me.

>>33304342
And I bet you're going to retort with some tough love bullshit too. I don't know about OP, but that shit doesn't work for me. I'd rather be left the fuck alone.

>>33304300
cope, seethe, and mald, little man

>>33304420
Kek. Gotta hand it to you for caring so little that you can't come up with anything better.

>>33304380
>It's not beneficial, it just causes more pain and friction
How is it beneficial to suggest someone run from their problems until those problems balloon to a size so large that become unmanageable, and then be forced to either confront much worse problems or end up dying miserable and alone? How doesn't that cause much worse pain and friction? Human needs are universal, you aren't special and lack these needs because of your problems. The inevitable outcome from this course of action, and your needs aren't different than anyone. The only thing that makes you different is that your thinking has become distorted because of personal circumstances, so you seek these non-solutions which hurt you.
>You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped
We do it all the time, when the actions of the person cross the boundaries of immediate left or death for themselves or others we put them in an involuntary psychiatric hold. We also should always try to help people in need instead of telling them it's a-okay to hurt themselves or give up on them.
>grossly misunderstands me
People like you don't want to be understood, or rather you won't let people understand you. Then you complain that no one understands you, that's the problem. If you let people in and were willing to participate in life then maybe you'd feel some real validation for once. You don't want to though, you want to run from the world thinking you can escape it or that your human needs won't go away. That's not how life works.

>>33304445
That's a lot of words for "I don't get it and I will never get it." Here's hoping you never attempt to "help" me, or anyone else for that matter.

>>33304462
That's a lot of mental gymnastics for, "I like letting people suffer because I am suffering." No one will ever "get it" if you run from things and never engage with people.

>>33304475
I'd rather suffer alone than have other people make things worse by getting involved, especially people like you. You think what you do is helpful but it's not. It's only "helpful" from your socially-accepted perspective. You. Can't. Help. Someone. Who. Doesn't. Want. To. Be. Helped.
If you're so desperate to help someone, help someone who willingly accepts your help.

>>33304484
Nothing anyone does will make things worse than what you are doing to yourself, deep down you know this to be true. Help also has nothing to do with what's socially acceptable, because it's a universal truth that help isn't letting people destroy themselves no matter what justification they come up with. You are right though, you cannot help people incapable of reasoning. At least until they hit rock bottom and their warped mindset and ego crumble. That doesn't mean they are right in refusing help or people are wrong in offering help though. It's just an unfortunate reality that people in pain or who have a lot of struggles develop cognitive distortions which distorts their ability to think, and focus on things outside of their own problems. You can look that up if you don't believe me, it's why many people are so stubborn about seeking help.

>>33304526
>Nothing anyone does will make things worse than what you are doing to yourself, deep down you know this to be true.
Blaming the victim.
>Help also has nothing to do with what's socially acceptable
Ideally it wouldn't but your brand of "help" certainly does.
>because it's a universal truth
You THINK it's a "universal truth"
>You are right though, you cannot help people incapable of reasoning.
This is correct. I commend you for getting this.
>That doesn't mean they are right in refusing help or people are wrong in offering help though.
Forcing unwanted "help" on other people is wrong.
>It's just an unfortunate reality that people in pain or who have a lot of struggles develop cognitive distortions which distorts their ability to think, and focus on things outside of their own problems. You can look that up if you don't believe me, it's why many people are so stubborn about seeking help.
You're starting to get it.

>>33304561
>Blaming the victim.
It's not blame. I won't fault what ever lead to this outcome. I am only telling you that you are hurting yourself, and you know it since you see self-destruction as helpful.
>Forcing unwanted "help" on other people is wrong.
Forcing is in most cases wrong outside of certain exceptions, but offering it is not. Especially when someone is wavering and clearly needs it.

Regarding force though. It can absolutely be necessary and the only right choice. Do you actually think we should let children do anything they want? What about when someone's choices cause harm towards others, but they aren't cognitively able to realize this? Do their rights trump others when intervention can make both parties have good lives, and non-intervention causes multiple people to suffer? How about people who are no longer mentally capable of making healthy choices due to impairment or disability? Do we let people steal all their disability pension, or be placed in a situation where they'll die? Rights have limits in order to safe guard that person's rights and the rights of others.

>>33304610
There you go again with your socially-approved opinions.™

>>33304610
The point I'm trying to make is that I'm beyond your help, beyond your reason, beyond your logic. And I want you to recognize that I'm not the only person like this and that you can't save everyone. If anything, taking your approach with people like me just backfires and makes things worse.
I have a natural aversion to people telling me what to do. My main motivations are self-preservation, getting people off my back, and getting annoying things out of my way.

>>33304372
that sounds sick desu. I haven't had a job in two years so maybe I should work on that

>>33304720
>taking your approach with people like me just backfires and makes things worse.
In your opinion what approach would you recommend taking with people who wake up one day and choose this form of self-harm if they also have others who depend upon them? Surely you must agree at some point if someone gets involved to a certain depth with others, or enters into things where there exists certain duties of care towards others then this action isn't sound or merely just a free choice. That might not be your situation, but I am curious of your opinion.

>>33303376
Sounds like his problem is that he no longer wishes to be with people.

>>33305979
Fear of enmeshment or someone broke up with them I'd imagine.

>>33302641 (OP)
>truly give up on people, friends, and relationships?
Bet everything on yourself instead.
Seek what is important to you, what brings you joy, what you find meaningful, etc. Then you will eventually find yourself having given up on people, friends, and relationships in favour of your own values you have developed.
People, friends, and relationships will only matter to you as much as they matter to your own pursuits, and as long as you don't give up on yourself, you will always find a way to make connections with people on your own terms in ways that suit your needs.
You will have to get used to having people come and go in your life, because hey, you are looking to give up on people, friends and relationships, are you not?
If you are going to go down this path, make sure to never give up on yourself or become your own worst enemy (especially by giving into your own human folly - greed, arrogance, hubris, ignorance, etc).
You will have to keep yourself accountable, and this has been the toughest part for me.
All the best to you.

>>33302641 (OP)
get hurt. really bad. over and over until you break

>>33305963
Listen to them. And if you can't, then GTFO.
You don't sound like the type of person who's a good listener though, so in your case I'd say live your life and don't get involved.