I've always wanted to be a creative ever since I was young. I've day dreamed about being one and tried working my ass off trying to write ever since I was around 12. My parents tried pushing me towards it for school assignments. I also wanted to draw but never got into it seriously.

I've been wanting to write again for nearly 2 years now and have barely made any progress towards that goal. I've only done one little drabble like 2 years ago and haven't done any exercises since then. I've been trying to get myself to write, but all of it looks too complicated and exhausting for me. I've tried multiple different strategies, but they never seem to work. I've tried forcing myself to write, but can only make myself write a couple of sentences for barely 30 seconds before stopping and looking at my phone again.

I've never been able to complete a single multichapter story in my entire life and actually coming up with stories isn't much better. I can't think anything through and everything about trying to make an entire story looks too hard for me. I want to be a creative really badly, but nothing I've done seems to have amounted to much of anything. I want to become one so badly, and I want to stop wasting my life doing nothing.

Do you love writing as much as you love the idea of being a creative? Writing seems to be beyond your level of self-discipline. Find something you love, and do that, the inspiration will be everywhere. No matter how good you are, the starving artist meme is real.

>>33344922 (OP)
I won't read Howie's threads.

>>33344951
>Do you love writing as much as you love the idea of being a creative?
I've been writing and RPing for 12 years. That's what I posted in the OP.

>>33344951
>Writing seems to be beyond your level of self-discipline. Find something you love, and do that, the inspiration will be everywhere. No matter how good you are, the starving artist meme is real.
Also, I've heard this for literally every single hobby I've ever tried doing, even for non creative ones or just anything in general.

>>33345198
You didn't answer the question
>>33345237
you admit you have no self-discipline and immediately opt for the fondleslab

>>33345278
I do love writing more than I like the idea of being a writer.

>>33345278
So do you have any actual advice?

>>33344922 (OP)
Drugs

>>33345372
I want advice that isn't trolling.

Bump

>>33344951
>Do you love writing as much as you love the idea of being a creative?
Oh for fuck's sake. Yeah I've heard this a million times for every single hobby I've ever tried. I like the idea of doing anything besides sitting in my room, laying in bed, jerking off and going to sleep or looking at my phone and staring at a wall while barely being able to get out of bed. Am I seriously raising the bar too high? Is that what you're telling me?
Then am I not interested in anything at all? Because this is what it's like for everything that I've ever tried doing even for non creative hobbies or just anything in general.
I have literally tried doing several artistic hobbies and gave up each of them immediately when I was a teenager.
>Gave up on Source Filmmaker
>Gave up on GameMaker
>Gave up on FireAlpaca
>Gave up on Photoshop
>Gave up on writing
I didn't know how any of them worked or what to do. I don't even know basic trig. Even when I look art guides, I literally cannot comprehend them or figure them out. I don't want to be stuck with no creativity or being unable to express myself. This is what it's like for literally everything I try doing. I'm not able to try and keep up with any hobby. Even writing, I do it sporadically and very rarely. Stop giving me this reductionist bullshit.

I'm not here to get attention, I'm not here because I "secretly don't like doing anything creative" I'm here because I want to fucking draw, write and make something. Now are you going to give me advice or not?

>>33345278
How about give actual advice?

>>33349076
nta and want to be clear: I'm not shitposting
you sound like you have adhd (ignore the retards that want to say it's not real and argue about it)
the whole being passionate and wanting to all in on something only to drop it when it doesn't immediately click or you don't grow at the speed you hoped is a very common adhd thing

also from your OP
>forcing myself to write, but can only make myself write a couple of sentences for barely 30 seconds before stopping and looking at my phone again
is also very adhd-coded

knowing that, you have two options: 1. realize that your brain is fucked and that excelling at something will require an exorbitant amount of effort to keep focused (relative to normal people), and that you will have to actively, constantly force yourself to commit in order to do it
2: hop on stimulants

I stopped taking adderall years ago but I regularly consider going on it again because of how little I can focus on things

>>33349188
I'm literally on adderall and this has never gotten any easier for me. I've been medicated for my entire life.

>>33349206
>I've been medicated for my entire life
increase the dosage? try IR/XR depending on whichever you have taken?
alternatively try none I guess
the crux of it is that you are playing on hard difficulty and you have to put in more effort than normal people to do the same things
really all you can do is try harder, when you sit down to do something make a point of being away from distractions
there is no real catch all answer, you just have to find something that works for you because it's different for everyone
it sucks but it's life

>>33349212
I'm on 20 XR. I tried 25 XR and it was too much for me and made me jittery and irritable. I'm currently on Paroextine which I believe is making me feel unmotivated and lazy. I also have a thyroid problem.

>>33349213
I'm personally very opposed to anti-depressants but I will not advise anything on that as I've made a point of avoiding them, do what you're comfortable with
when I was younger I was briefly on 20mg XR + 10mg IR per day, you could see about trying something like that out

>>33349218
>when I was younger I was briefly on 20mg XR + 10mg IR per day, you could see about trying something like that out
I did that too. Now I'm only on 20s again. My psychiatrist has told me that they don't want me to try a 10 IR because it'll affect my sleeping.

>>33349237
then we're back at square one which is the cruel reality of adhd: you just have to try harder
it sucks shit and I sympathize because it's hellish, but that's the burden we have and it isn't going anywhere
I'm currently on 4chan to avoid doing the very thing I'm going to college for

>>33349240
>Just try harder
That doesn't work for me. My brain doesn't let me get into that flow state no matter how hard I try. Even when I'm on my meds all I want to do is lay in my bed on my phone. Even trying to play video games is too tiring for me.

>>33349256
>My brain doesn't let me get into that flow state no matter how hard I try.
Right, that's what I'm talking about. You literally have to force yourself to overcome that, it is strictly a discipline thing. It fucking sucks, but there's no other alternative besides more drugs.
You can't logic your way out of it, there is no magic key or solution, you just have to do it, that is literally the only conclusion that can be reached.
It's binary, 1 or 0, do it or you won't, no in-between.

>>33344922 (OP)
Most good writers don’t put out anything good till they are close to 40 or beyond.

>>33349262
>It fucking sucks, but there's no other alternative besides more drugs.
I've tried literally every stimulant I can't think of. I've tried focalin, Paxil, adderall, Vyvanse, and now back on adderall. Nothing has worked for me. None of it helped me do the things I want to do.

So what the fuck do I do?

>>33349286
>So what the fuck do I do?
I can only say this politely so many times so I'll stop
just fucking do it man
you want to get better at writing? close your browser and go write something, don't stop until to you do no matter how garbage it is
want to draw? close the browser and go draw, don't stop until you finish something

>>33349297
How do I make myself? I don't have motivation. On my computer I just open tabs, listen to music and do nothing. Same thing with my phone.

>>33349302
holy fucking shit man
there is no "making" yourself do it
literally (and I cannot stress LITERALLY enough) just fucking do it

>>33349305
Well I can't if I don't make myself because otherwise I'll just sit around and do nothing.

>>33349313
This is the thought process that got you where you are, if you can not grasp the concept of "just fucking do it" then you will be stuck in this spot until you do.
I wish you luck, I'm done trying.

>>33349318
Well I have ADHD so the concept of "just fucking do it" doesn't work for me because my brain doesn't produce dopamine like a normal person. No amount of medication, no amount of exercise, no amount of anything has fixed this. I don't know what else to do.

>>33349321
If this is bait then you got me. I have ADHD too retard, I'm well aware of how it works.
If you want to do something, you have to do it -- how you feel about doing is entirely irrelevant.
What you are currently doing is coping and blaming the condition for your mediocrity because you don't want to take responsibility for YOUR inability to what YOU want to do.
YOU are the key to this. YOU are the only thing that can "make you" do anything.

Tl;dr: Get the fuck over it, your motivation chord is broken and it will never work, that means it is YOUR responsibility to make something happen.

>>33349328
Okay, so, how do I make myself? You still haven't answered this. "Just do it" isn't going to work.

>>33349331
>Okay, so, how do I make myself?
Alright, fuck off. Re-read each of my posts and think real fucking hard about what "JUST DO IT" means.
It's not rocket science, I promise you can understand it because I cannot possibly articulate it in a more clear way.

>>33349336
I'll start and it and just to "eh whatever" and then go back to my phone. That's what always happens whenever I try following the "just do it" advice. Even on medicine.

>>33349336
I'm re-reading the posts and all I'm seeing is you talking about medicine which I've already explained, doesn't help me.

>>33349336
How do I force myself to overcome it?

>>33349318
No, I mean I will literally sit around and do nothing. I've gone for nearly an hour staring at a ceiling one time and just doing nothing while I'm on medicine.

bump

>>33344922 (OP)
GREEN IS NOT A CREATIVE COLOR

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9C_HReR_McQ

>>33344922 (OP)
Have you ever thought that writing is not the medium where your creativity could come out? Have you tried other creative mediums (art, music, etc.)?

>>33350678
You have it really hard with all your conditions. It's not easy for you. It's amazing you managed to draw a few times now. Take things at your own speed and don't be too hard on yourself. Draw when you feel like it. Don't push yourself mentally too much.
You got this. It's amazing you managed to draw in the past. You can repeat this. It will happen!
How big is the fear of you not drawing again? Are you able to increase that fear? Harness the fear. Ride on its back.
The apathy makes it hard to feel anything, right? You are in a state of depression and that is making you not drawing or feel the fear of rotting away and not doing anything.
Tell me about your past. Has it always been like this? Or was there a starting point when the apathy set in?
What are your current living arrangements? What is the place like where you drew last time? Can you describe that desk?
You are a writer, right? Describe the place you were drawing at.
It's not easy for you. And it is, honestly, really mean how you were called names in the past. What would be name we should call you instead of the slurs people have given you?
Helping you requires learning about you. You're a human and you deserve being heard.
I'm trying to help you by understanding you a bit better. I can understand your point that you need help. It's, honestly, great that you're seeking help from people. There's lots of people who won't even reach out in the first place. I don't want to call you Howie because that would be insulting.
Is there currently a piece of paper near within reach near you?
It's fine. Starting art is a very daring thing. I'm glad you're reaching out. I'll be here for you.

>>33351283
I've heard this for literally every single hobby I've ever tried. Even for non creative ones or just anything in general. I've only had success with writing and I've been writing for 12 years now and role-playing for that same amount of time.

>>33352233
It's so amazing that you're a writer. It's not easy but you're doing it! How do you manage to write? What does it feel like? Do you write on your phone or do you have a computer? Or maybe you're even writing stories on paper?

>>33352241
Stop spamming my threads.

>>33352244
You deserve help and we're here to give you advice. To give you the advice that will help you we will have to learn about you. You agree, right? You are seeking help from us here, am I correct?

>>33352254
You're not giving me any actual help. Just asking me questions over and over.

>>33352291
Your whole condition is really tough. I truly think you're doing great despite of it. Or rather: To spite it! You can motivate yourself to write about it here. What does it feel like when you post here? What is different then when you try to motivate yourself for other tasks?

>>33352294
>Asking me questions over and over

>>33352301
You're doing great! You wrote another post. This is progress! You keep doing things and that's worth something. It is training. You are becoming stronger!

>>33352304
>No actual advice

>>33352393
Drawing begins in your head. You have to imagine yourself first. Imagine yourself in the act of drawing. Next, write about the experience of drawing. You WILL be drawing! You're doing great! Drawing is not easy and I understand your frustration at the moment. I can't imagine how hard it actually is for you. But you can do it if you start by thinking about drawing first.

>>33352400
Okay, I will try.

>>33352429
That's a great start! It's a true sign of good will and character that you're taking the advice! I hope it goes well for you. This is a first step, don't forget! You will imagine the act until you are ready to actually do it!

>>33352437
>>33352304
Fucking kek

>>33352501
Stop trolling and give actual advice.

>>33352507
To draw you have to draw. This is what you want to do, right? You want to do something. To do something you have to do it.

>>33352517
How do I make myself?

>>33352535
You have to create a tension between not doing it and doing it. Not doing it must be the greater detriment to doing it. Dying one day without having done it is too far in the future. You could injure yourself every five minutes by hitting into a wall with your fist. You are only allowed to stop if you actually draw. Try hitting into the wall harder each time. Draw blood.
Remember: It is not easy to draw! You have a literal mountain to climb with your conditions. It will not be easy. It will be the hardest task you can do with your life! I am in awe that you are going to attempt this at all. You are an inspiration. I mean that, truly.

>>33352544
I don't know how to do this.

>>33353506
What don't you know?

>>33353884
I just don’t. Now give advice

>>33354240
Every time you're not drawing, punch the wall to punish yourself. Do this harder each time until you're motivated to draw.

>>33354245
>giving trolling answes

>>33354273
Your mind controls your body. Your body controls the mind. Use your body to gain power over your mind to motivate yourself.

>>33344951
This. Sounds like OP is more in love with the idea of being a creative, rather than the process itself. My thing is music, and the real challenge regarding self-discipline is usually to walk away from the piano after hours with no break, not to actually sit down and start playing/practicing.

>>33349076
>>33349076
>Am I seriously raising the bar too high? Is that what you're telling me?
Yes, right now you are, by the sound of it. If all you're doing currently is just bed-rotting and cooming, you need to start smaller. Fix your diet, start working out, begin every day with a short walk before you do anything else except taking a piss and drinking some water (yes, that means not looking at your phone for even a second before you're outside). Getting started with any creative endeavor usually takes willpower at first to gain some momentum (I should know, I learned to read music in my late 20s), and unless you are an obsessive person by nature, you will not get anywhere without consistency and discipline.

Fix your routines, then begin creating on top of that foundation.

>>33354444
cheers man in th' middle'a 3 3s and 4 4s :)

>>33354444
>If all you're doing currently is just bed-rotting and cooming
It's not easy for him. You have to understand that it has been years of him not being able to motivate himself. He needs advice that will work for him but also advice he can follow. It can't be too hard to understand or cost too much energy.

>64 replies
I can’t believe people still give earnest responses to Howie. You’re all retards of the highest calibre
Do you think he’s gonna read his 38383th thread and be like “hmm well the first 3000 times it didn’t click but now I really get it!”
Lmao

>>33354488
>He needs advice that will work for him but also advice he can follow.
I know, which is why I set the bar realistically low. Starting to eat clean, working out every now and then, and going for a short walk every day are not Herulean tasks, but they are likely to have massive benefits. It also sounds like he needs to detox from his phone, and that means silent walking, meaning he will not bring his phone with him on his morning walk, and he will not listen to anything other than the outside ambience while walking.

>>33354444
I've changed my diet; I've worked out for 2 years and lost nearly 20 pounds. Guess what? I'm still not able to focus or do anything. I tried changing my medicine a bunch of times as well. Still nothing. I'm working a part time job. Still nothing.

>>33354532
I've been working out for 2 years and have lost nearly 20 pounds and I have changed my diet along with changing my medicine. Still fucking nothing. So what do I do?

>>33354539
>>33354548
You already did so much. That's great! And we managed to make you draw a box and a figure. It took us a few years but we made you do it. We were able to help you. This means you did a good choice coming here to let us help you!

>>33354532
Tell me what the fuck to do then. A lower dosage of focalin, anti anxiety medication. My mind and my body locks up and prevents me from actually doing anything. Usually either out of anxiety or my mind and my body simply just locking up and telling me "What the fucks the point"? And just making me look back at my phone again or just stimming and staring at a wall.

Legitimately NOTHING has worked. I felt better for a week and then nothing. This has gone back all the way since I was a teenager too. I had thyroid problems that got fixed, but this never got any better.

I don't know how to get the motivation to do anything. Even when I do happen to try my hardest in doing something, it's always half as good or even just 2% as good as anybody else doing the same thing, because me being purely retarded and unable to learn or focus. Even when I try, nothing good happens. My entire body feels sore and I rest for the whole day. I've been working out for 2 years and lost 20 pounds as well.

>>33354566
Stop trolling and give actual advice.

>>33354575
We made you draw. Is that incorrect? I was there and I helped you do it. I know this is very frustrating with all your conditions but you have to try to be nice to us when we want to help you.

>>33354583
Stop trolling and give actual advice

>>33354588
Okay, here goes: Go to the paper and put your pen down on it!

>>33354592
How do I make myself?

>>33354596
By imagining going over there. Concentrate hard and only on that. Then do it!

>>33354598
That doesn't work.

>>33354604
It's not easy. But you're doing great. Keep thinking about drawing. I think we can get you to go to the paper during the next week. I'll be here and talk to you until you're doing it. Keep trying. You're doing so great! You are not staring at a wall which is already a start!

>>33354610
How about give actual advice?

>>33354614
You have to go to the paper! Come on! I believe in you! To draw you have to get near the paper.

>>33354618
How about give actual advice?

>>33354621
To draw you have to go to the paper. Here's a deal: You can take your phone with you. Make your way to the paper. If you want to we can exchange a few messages while you're on your way there. It's not easy but you got this. Going to the paper is the first step! The next step will be to get your hands on the pencil. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. I'll talk you through it when we get there. We can do this together!

>>33354632
How about give actual advice?

>>33354637
Come on! Go to the paper!

>>33354568
Okay, this is definitely way above my paygrade. Are you currently seeking professional help? Are you officially diagnosed with any disorder?

I can only speak for myself, but I was completely fucked for a couple of years because of a very severe case OCD, but in that timespan that I became completely estranged and withdrew entirely from society, I taught myself how to play piano and read sheet music, simply because it was one of the few things that brought me joy and comfort, so I could do it for hours without end, and I had all the time in the world, being completely estranged and whatnot. Whatever it is you are doing, does the actual process of creation, learning and practicing do absolutely nothing for you? I don't know what would fix your issues, but I can tell you, if you don't learn to love the process itself, it will always be an uphill battle.

You talk about writing. Are you actually passionate about literature? Do you read a lot? Do you have a favorite author, one you admire and aspire to write like? Do you ponder the subtext of your favorite stories when you daydream? Are you actually passionate about the subject itself?

>>33354638
How about give actual advice?

>>33354644
Draw on the paper! Draw!

>>33354642
Stop asking questions all the time and give me actual advice.

>>33354642
>Are you currently seeking professional help? Are you officially diagnosed with any disorder?
I have ADHD, Autism, and a learning disability. I was diagnosed with all of these when I was young. I was able to focus more when I was younger but now I can't.
>Whatever it is you are doing, does the actual process of creation, learning and practicing do absolutely nothing for you?
The only thing that gets me excited is role-playing, not making a full on story that I have to write by myself, and I can't make myself do anything is the problem. I can't draw, because everything about it looks too difficult for me. I can't do SFM because it looks too difficult. I can't do Photoshop because it looks too difficult. I can barely play any remotely challenging game, at all.
>Do you read a lot?
No, I can't make myself focus on a single paragraph for more than a minute, I can't make myself read a single story. Even when I try to get into the flow zone, my brain just wants me to finish everything as fast as possible. Nothing else has worked for me in regards to fixing this either.
>Are you actually passionate about literature?
I just want to maek stories. That's all I want to do. But I can't even make myself do that. Can't come up with any interesting scenarios, can't come up with any characters, can't come up with anything. I used to write fanfiction when I was younger, but I've never finished a single multichapter story ever.
>Favorite Author
No
>Aspire to write like
No
>Do you ponder the subtext of your favorite stories when you daydream
Sometimes, yes
>Are you actually passionate about the subject itself?
I'm not even sure.

>>33354648
I can't give you advice if I don't know anything about you, so I gave you general advice, like work out and eat well. It sounds to me like you need to detox from your phone. Do you live near any woods? I would start going on phoneless walks in the woods for at least half an hour every day. Nature and her soothing ambience are a ripe bossom for the creative mind. Beethoven is arguably the single most creative musician that ever lived, and he gained much of his inspiration from long, contemplative walks in the woods.

>>33354658
If I don't have my phone, I'll just sit and stare at walls, thinking about and doing nothing.

>>33354658
I also gave you plenty of things about me up here.
>>33354653

>>33354669
That’s the point. If you do it long enough you’ll start thinking.

>>33354653
If you are neurodivergent and have a learning disability, I'm not sure if random advice on 4chan will do much good. Are you currently seeing a psychiatrist or some type of counselor? It kinda sounds to me like you need professional help, which there is absolutely no shame in. I have gotten tons over the years myself, and even been institutionalized a few times.

>>33354682
I tried that. It didn't work. How about give actual advice?

>>33354684
I don't know what actual advice would be then, anon. I'm sorry to say. I hope you can figure it out somehow.

>>33354682
I don't currently have a therapist that I'm seeing. Only occasional visits to a psychiatrist for medicinal changes. I want to be able to do things on my own the same way that everyone else does. I don't want to have to go to therapy just to do something as fucking simple as drawing lines.

>>33354694
>I hope you can figure it out somehow.
I've been asking for nearly 3 years and I've gotten nothing.

>>33354696
It's not simple. It's actually very hard! You did draw once a few months ago. That was very good!

>>33354698
Keep going. We can figure this out together! I'm sure of it. I'll be here for the next couple of years to help you step by step! Go easy on yourself. It's a hard thing to do!

>>33344922 (OP)
Read more books. Write down full paragraphs you like, words you don't know, etc. Try to let the virus of the author's talent infect you and synthesize it into your art.

>>33354707
No, I can't make myself focus on a single paragraph for more than a minute, I can't make myself read a single story. Even when I try to get into the flow zone, my brain just wants me to finish everything as fast as possible. Nothing else has worked for me in regards to fixing this either.

>>33354707
Most books are insanely boring with shitty prose which is why I can't stand reading most books or stories. I can't even read manga because of my ADHD distracting me.

I admire your persistence. This is a good character trait to make it in art!

>>33354709
Okay. Then you probably won't be a writer. Unless you go down some path using generative tools.
>>33354711
Yeah, most books suck. Some are good though. But if you want to write well, you have to spend some time reading. It's the same with any art, really.

I'm surprised the jannies don't ban this thread on sight

>>33354738
So then how come I was able to write for like 12 years before this?

>>33354746
Stop asking stupid questions and give me actual advice.

>>33354746
Did you watch a lot of TV growing up? A lot of writers who didn't/don't read much end up writing books that read like TV shows I've noticed (like YA tier stuff).

Howie states he "always wanted to pet a dog". The woman offers to let him pet their dog. Howie informs her that he doesn't know how. Without explaining anything, she says "you just do it". This tells Howie literally nothing, as he has already informed her that he does not know how to pet the dog. The woman is incapable of any empathy towards those without her level of knowledge and takes for granted her own privilege. She has no knowledge of Howie's life, clearly if he doesn't know something as simple as petting a dog, he has some issues. She recognizes this fact, but rather than have any sympathy, she is utterly insensitive; immediately accusing an already distraught Howie of "being retarded".

Instead of thinking critically, with compassion and simply telling him "open your hand as if you were waving, then run your open hand down the dog's back", he would know exactly what to do. Her idea of "helping him" is to forcefully grab his hand and drag it across the dog. At this point, Howie still does not know what he is supposed to do. He's been very clear about that. The woman becomes agitated, telling him to pet the dog despite never having explained to poor Howie how to do so. She just expects him to know because she knows. She then starts to fly off the handle and and scream at Howie, escalating the scenario into a confrontation due to her own impatience and negligence. When Howie is in a defensive posture, on the dirty ground, she lurches over his body in an aggressive stance, to the point her husband has to literally pull her away from Howie. Even the dog is angrily barking at him. The couple then leaves Howie to cry confusedly on the ground.

>>33354753
No, I wasn't a big TV watcher either. I've been mostly playing video games and reading fanfiction my whole life.

He can keep posting for hours like this but he can't motivate himself to do anything else.

>>33354782
It's almost like drawing is delayed gratification whereas posting on the phone is instant.

Get rid of your phone!
>I will just stare at the wall.
Get rid of the wall!
>Give actual advice.
ad infinitum
Four more years!

>>33354785
You draw now?

>>33354803
Been trying to for 3 years just like trying to get back into drawing.

>>33344922 (OP)
>I've always wanted to be a creative
Prove it.

>>33354816
I've been writing and role-playing for nearly 12 years.

>>33354822
Post a piece of your writing please

>>33354825
Do you think I'm that stupid?

>>33354837
Please post your writing. Or tell me about your roleplaying

>>33354840
I've been doing multiparagraph role-playing for years. That's basically all I can say without giving myself away.

>>33354859
It's fine. I think we made good progress today. You are doing great, to be honest! We will continue this tomorrow. I have been everyone in this thread by the way, with a little help from a bot I wrote (it's not perfect but I'll get it smoothed out in the future). If we keep our chat going for a few more days, maybe weeks, I think we can solve your issues.
I'll be back in eight hours. If you want to keep talking, I'll leave the bot running. See you! And don't forget: It's really hard with all your issues but you're doing amazing despite all your difficulties! We can do this together! See you tomorrow!

>>33354816
With what?

Fucking weird thread, anon.

ADHD and on the spectrum. That really sucks, OP. Try multi-tasking? For example, when you want to read or write or draw or do something else you actually want to do but your stupid broken brain won't let you, give it something to chew on.
Music, podcast, some mindless visual stimulation. Some kind of information in the background to satisfy that constant need for everything to happen all the time. I understand you'll just be tempted to pay attention to that instead but don't.

That's shitty advice, I know. But you're in a shitty situation.
You could try doing what I did. Anthropomorphize those feelings. Specifically, create a tulpa of those feelings and argue against it. While in your current mindset that's pretty dangerous though. It might win, and you'll go crazy. But hey, anything is better than what you're doing now, right?

Or you could just say it's your mind. It's doing things you don't like and it's going to stop. Not that you need it to stop or that you want it to stop. You're going to make it stop.
But how? Do the things you don't want to do. Anything you feel like not doing is a thing that must be done and prioritized. There's no advice to give on doing the thing. Just do the thing.
Turn your "eh, whatever," into "fuck it, just get it over with." Dread will be your motivation. Structure your life and mind into a point where procrastination is more painful than getting it done. It sucks, but at least it sucks differently. Maybe it'll even suck less.

>>33355165
How do I do this? You're just saying what to do but not explaining how.

>>33355177
???
Which one would you like to try? I'll do my best to walk you through it, but you need to pick.

>>33355207
Any one of them.

>>33355207
How do I make myself?

The only thing that could make Howie draw for real was if someone physically assaulted him and made him draw, literally standing behind him with a whip and abusing him until he did what is asked.

>>33355165
>Do the things you don't want to do. Anything you feel like not doing is a thing that must be done and prioritized. There's no advice to give on doing the thing. Just do the thing.
How do I make myself?

It boils down to this:
>I want to draw!
The do it.
>No, I can't do it and I can't even do the tiniest step towards it. I can't motivate myself and I can't follow any outside advice from the internet.
Then you need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities.
Three years of coming here have not helped because no one on the internet can help you. Only people in your social circle can help.

>>33357672
How do I make myself?

>>33358008
If you can't do it on your own then need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities.

>>33358013
I've been able to do this before for years without needing outside help. Stop responding with the same thing over and over again. I'm not doing anything that involves me needing to get help from someone else.

>>33358030
You need our help. If you did it you could do it again without help.

>>33358033
I've been able to do this before for years without needing outside help. Stop responding with the same thing over and over again. I'm not doing anything that involves me needing to get help from someone else.

>>33358038
If you can't do it on your own then need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities. Stop responding with the same thing over and over again and do it without help like you wanted.

>>33358040
I've been able to do this before for years without needing outside help. Stop responding with the same thing over and over again. I'm not doing anything that involves me needing to get help from someone else.

>>33358043
>to get help from someone else
Why do you ask us then?

>>33358044
To give me advice on how to do these things on my own without need outside help.

>>33358055
Asking us is outside help. Do it on your own.

>>33358058
Give me advice on how to do these things on my own without need outside help.

>>33358059
>without need outside help
Asking for adivce is outside help. Do it on your own.

>>33358072
How come none of you people ever respond in good faith and just make posts in hopes that the thread dies faster?

>>33358075
>>/ic/>>7643888
It did not help. He will not take any good faith advice. It has been three years now.

but that's what I do OP

>>33358076
Yeah because you guys either keep shitting on him, telling him that he doesn't like to draw, despite him telling you over and over again that he was doing this for 12 years prior, and just generally don't give any advice.

>>33358103
It's not easy. But you're doing great. Keep thinking about drawing. I think we can get you to go to the paper during the next week. I'll be here and talk to you until you're doing it. Keep trying. You're doing so great! You are not staring at a wall which is already a start!
You have to go to the paper! Come on! I believe in you! To draw you have to get near the paper.
To draw you have to go to the paper. Here's a deal: You can take your phone with you. Make your way to the paper. If you want to we can exchange a few messages while you're on your way there. It's not easy but you got this. Going to the paper is the first step! The next step will be to get your hands on the pencil. But let's not get ahead of ourselves. I'll talk you through it when we get there. We can do this together!

>>33358105
How do I make myself do it on my own?

>>33358119
If you can't do it on your own then need help from medical personnel who adjust your medication.

>>33358124
How do I make myself do it on my own?

>>33358160
Stop taking medication if you don't need them.

>>33358163
How do I make myself do it on my own when I'm on medication?

>>33358167
Why are you asking me if you want to do it on your own?

>>33358170
Because I want to do it on my own, so I'm asking how do I do it on my own.

>>33358179
Do it on your own then.

>>33344922 (OP)
Be really annoying and gay and have a personality disorder and require attention from others no matter what form it comes in. You must like musical theater and spell words in English with conventionally British spelling (behaviour vs behavior, theatre vs theater, etc.).

Be a gigantic redditfag and be intractably group oriented / collectivistic and seeing yourself in identity as part of a greater group. Maybe be a social worker. Enjoy ideas like wall flower and things like ukelele, name your daughter Penelope. "Gag me with a chainsaw" should be a regular phrase in your vernacular. Be a dramatic little bitch.

>>33358183
How do I make myself?

>>33358210
If you can't do it on your own then need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities. Stop responding with the same thing over and over again and do it without help like you wanted.

>>33358219
How do I make myself?

>>33358228
Make yourself do the thing and stop asking for outside help.

>>33358234
That's why I'm asking. How do I make myself?

>>33358242
If you can't do it on your own then need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities.

>>33358245
My bot will keep replying to him for the next couple of years.

>>33349076
You don't want to learn a single damn thing. You make this thread over and over and whine whenever anyone tells you do do anything. You're pathetic. So pathetic in fact that you've made being pathetic an artform. Why don't you write me a haiku about how much of a loser you are?

>>33358565
My bot will keep replying to him for the next couple of years.

>>33358569
Can I get a bot?

>>33358572
Whoops, sorry. It will get better with time. For now it keeps drawing answers from the same pool a bit too much.

>>33358565
How do I make myself learn or do anything?

>>33358679
If you can't do it on your own then need help from your parents or the nurses who help you with your everyday activities.

>>33358565
Okay, so then what do I do? I have a literal learning disability along with ADHD that prevents me from getting into a flow state.

>>33358690
If you can't do it on your own then need help from medical personnel who adjust your medication.

>>33358565
Yeah, I have ADHD which it impossible to just lock in and learn things.

>>33358746
If you can't do it on your own you need help from medical professionals.

>>33358690
SO DO I. EVERYONE HERE HAS SOME KIND OF MENTAL ILLNESS.
You're incapable of doing anything because you NEVER DO THE FUCKING THING. Go ahead. Doodle me literally anything. Dealers choice. I'll wait. You won't, but I'll wait. Or write me something. Like a joke or a poem or even a shitty greentext.
If you're truly incapable of doing literally anything then see a doctor.

>>33359490
Yes. I've never been able to commit myself to any serious hobby, ever.

>>33359642
Not true howie you lost 20 lbs
How did you stick to a diet?

>>33360101
diets are fundamentally about doing less

hobbies are fundamentally about doing more

>>33360101
Stopped eating anything that made me feel shitty afterwards and worked out a few times a week.

>>33344922 (OP)
Literally just pick train of thought and design theory and follow it while trying to find ways to improve it over time, but be careful of design creep or you'll never finish a single work.

bump

This sounds a little retarded, how good is your imagination?

I find that it can help me to roleplay or "delude" myself into doing something. Maybe it's something simple like "my wifi is down so I can't access the internet", or "it's 2005 and the only thing I really use on my PC is my email and my drawing program". Can't sleep? Oh, I'm actually a hiker that got incapacitated, but was rescued and taken to a comfy cottage to rest". You can go as tame or wild with it as you want. As long as it helps you get into what you want to do.

I completely understand your struggle, by the way; I have ADHD and somewhat bad anxiety. I've been trying to get into drawing for years, and my other creative works hit a dead end because the things that I need to drill/improve are so demotivating that I just jump to something else and let the cycle continue. The only thing I might suggest is SHRINK THE SCOPE OF YOUR WORKS. Like only focus on short stories, and try making them longer, little by little each time. Even revisit the same ideas if you think you can remake them better. I make renders in Bryce3D, and found that if I aim too large then I burn out; DON'T bite off more than you can chew. Programs like Photoshop or SFM throw a bajillion different tools as you, so do a project that uses one or more really basic tools and work your way up. Hell, you don't even need to make anything, just fuck around with the menus and explore stuff. It doesn't need to make sense.

Most importantly, BE EASY ON YOURSELF! It tends to become second nature to ask ourselves what the hell our problem is (at least it does for me...). I am impatient with the progress I make in my hobbies, but I also recognize and appreciate the effort I give them. That self-kindness goes a long way. Sorry, this was a bit of a vomit of text.

>>33345506
the problem is at some point you gotta take the advice

>>33349076
Shrink scope till you reach a "finishable kernel you can show people"

>gave up on writing
forget writing a book, write draft short stories on deadline. No quality expectations but minimum of two double spaced pages each. no editing allowed, your new story is due by Saturday night at 7PM each week. Repeat for a few months then dump a short collection of the better ones in writer spaces. If you can't force yourself to write 500 words in seven days, you don't deserve to even call yourself an aspiring writer.

>Gave up on source filmmaker
Forget 2-6 minute videos: get the absolute basics down then do 3-5 second animations you post to youtube. Think bogos binted sized, vid related https://youtu.be/kurAJvAHB6I

>gave up on game maker
Forget full games: make something dead simple and small. think micro-ideas, stuff like "one weekend only, no art assets pong but you play the ball flappy bird style and need to hit the paddle to not die" or something, then release on itch.io.

>gave up on photoshop
forget doing anything masterful, go boot into quickposes or find some reference then do ten minutes of figures a day, eg https://quickposes.com/en, post progress pics to /ic/ or twitter

If you actually like being creative, stuff like the above is revitalizing, focusing, and builds momentum towards bigger works: if you don't, you're not actually interested in doing these things, which is fine, but then admit it to yourself and move the fuck on. Not everyone's cut out for that life, and that's okay

>>33344922 (OP)
think of it like exercise then, if you cant just do it. start with a small bite, chew a bit, feel the texture and then proceed to just let it linger a bit. then chew some more. make breaks inbetween, 10 min timer if you will to just start. but you need a feeling of satiation, a point of its enough for that moment. so start small and stop when its best.