Can you genuinely be loved by a woman if you are ugly or is it all a lie?

>>33389094 (OP)
The so called "black pill" is nothing more than "crabs in a bucket" mentality. There no reasonable argument against self improvement. There's no reason to not self improve.

Another thing that you are probably failing to realize is that there are different types of love. When you make your question, you are probably only considering "teenage spontaneous love" which is actually just a little more than desire. This is just one type of love, and this is not even enough to sustain a relationship by itself.

if she goofy smiles she a winner, but only if your big not skinny that skinny thing really got to end this era

its better to be ugly than be a pussy. I wouldnt advise being both

>>33389114
>nothing more than "crabs in a bucket" mentality
Nearly every piece of life advice on 4chan can be boiled down to this. Misery loves company, and you can't get advice from miserable dickheads with shit lives on how to be anything other than what they are.

>>33389114
The black pill isn't against self improvement, but that you are limited by your genetics. You can improve, sure. But if someone had "Chad" genetics you can't just catch up with hard work unless you have similar genes.

>>33389094 (OP)
Women will love you if you're a gangster of soul

>>33389094 (OP)
>Can you genuinely be loved by a woman if you are ugly
Yes. (Speaking from personal experience, here).

>>33389094 (OP)
The floor for getting a decent woman is so low I do not understand how any man is single. If you're ugly as shit it can make ot harder and you probably won't get some supermodel, but women are desperate for a decent partner

>>33390212
>for a decent partner
That's the problem
It's the nitpicking, the looking under-the-hood
Most guys can't stand it

>>33389094 (OP)
The black pill is so obviously wrong that only retards and the mentally ill believe it and only those two groups and demoralizers repeat it.
Which are you? Retarded? Crazy? Or and demoralizer?

>>33390020
Demoralizer spotted.
Note how this anon is not talking about
>Can I be loved if I am ugly?
but has switched to
>You will never be highly promiscuous with many hot women unless
a classic Move the Goalposts maneuver by demoralizers.
He's also lying because the 'genetic trash trying to self improve is stupid' argument has been a main Black Pill attack for years

>>33390218
Another demoralizing post.
The Black Piller is trying to discourage men from dating by claiming that
>being decent
equals
>nitpicking and high standards (the latter implied)
another classic demoralizing move, to make low standards sound like high standards to discourage other men from dating.

>>33390434
>>33390437
These guys always tell on themselves eventually. They're transparent enough that most people can see through this shit, so the only people they usually end up demoralizing is one another.

>>33390437
No I really meant that. Something I see a lot of women do early on is make snap judgements about leaving clothes out or whens the last time you changed your sheets. I'm not interested in someone who's assessing my housekeeping abilities

>>33390437
>>33390491
Women are fun to play with but I don't want to keep one if she's gonna act like a hamster who needs her bedding changed
TF? If its a problem for her she should just do it herself

>>33390491
Holy fuck, you are so slovenly multiple women have asked about your clothes and sheets?
You must stink like a rotting apple

>>33390469
>so the only people they usually end up demoralizing is one another.
Made me kek

>>33390500
Now the demoralizer is dehumanizing women by throwing in a non-sequitur in an attempt to distract from him being called out.

>>33390506
>clothes
They are just on the floor, who cares?
>sheets
Yeah I change them like once a month, it literally doesn't matter

>>33390513
>dehumanizing women
It's called a metaphor you absolute fag

Pretty sure we're getting brigaded by femcels
Sorry the only BF you can get is fat, smelly and cheats on you
Us quality men are saving up to build an empire with a quality wife who doesn't annoy the hell out of us

>>33390526
>They are just on the floor, who cares?
Pick them up and put them away you fucking slob.

>>33390556
Uh no lmao

>>33390556
This is why nobody dates you

>>33390567
You seem confused friend. I'm not the blackpiller here. I have a gf and have never had a hard time attracting women. Seethe.

>>33390572
It's the way the start acting after they get dick that makes them intolerable. I have no respect for any man who cedes to their demands

>>33390575
Ok good for you, I have no respect for any man who keeps his clothes piled on the floor.

>>33390581
Nice priorities bro, why are you thinking about my bedroom?

>>33390590
Um...because you're posting about it and that's the only reason I know about it?
Your "gotcha" attempts are really bad anon, you're kind of stupid.

>>33390599
Nice try woman
Go play animal crossing

>>33390526
>I am a fucking slob with shit hygiene and I refuse to change
FTFY

>>33390533
>Yes, you caught me totally trying to deflect from being called out as a demoralizer and trying to pivot to hating women so the other incels will protect me
FTFY

>>33390655
Sure thing Susan

>>33390547
Every fucking thread of black pillers ever
>Men are pointing out how wrong we are. Quick! Call them women!

>>33390662
I can't imagine what's going on in that silly little head of yours

>>33390666
I'm literally not a blackpiller lol, I don't think looks are that important to modern women
I think that capitulation and domestication is their priority

>>33390575
>It's the way the start acting after they get dick that makes them intolerable.
How the fuck would YOU know?

>>33390682
Calm down there little Timmy
I'm sure you'll get a turn someday if you play your cards right

Incel
>I am a filthy slob and my edroom is disgusting
Same incel
>>33390590
>Why are you talking about my bedroom?
the 70 IQ of incels on display, folks

>>33390673
You live in your own filth like an animal, no one cares for your opinion

>>33390687
You started off admitting you can't get laid because women see your pigsty of a bedroom and flee, incel

>>33390691
If you need me to explain the logic of my post, then fine. I will teach you: I was referring to women nitpicking when I talked about my clothes being on the floor.
Then anon claims to be male, and responds to one of my posts saying he has no respect for men who don't pick up their clothes (what a sissy lmao)
At this point I pointed out that its foolish for a man to be concerned with the state of another man's bedroom.
Hope that helps

>>33390705
Read it again. They complain about it AFTER they ride my cock several times in the span of 45 minutes. Its like clockwork

>>33390699
Sure thing Srinanda

>>33389094 (OP)
It happens but it's rare. If you are a mid male this is also valid, women won't love you but will tolerate you as long as you bring in money every month and help the sow raise the spawns she shat out.

>>33390711
>I was referring to women nitpicking when I talked about my clothes being on the floor.
Everyone knows that, slob. And a woman finding out you are a slob is not 'nitpicking',
>Then anon claims to be male, and responds to one of my posts saying he has no respect for men who don't pick up their clothes
I get that you are emotionally and mentally still a child, but grown men have pride in themselves and their surroundings. Actual grown men understand that putting your clothes in the hamper is 1 second of work. and keeps your living space 100% usable.
As an actual grown man I also understand that if you are leaving clothes all over then you aren't vacuuming, either, because the clothes are in the fucking way.
So your living space is filthy.
yes, actual men care about this shit.
>>33390711
>the sorts of whores that could walki into a filthy room then complain about it
lol
confirming you're a KHHV
I do love, LOVE that OP has pivoted from
>is duuuuuh blackpill true, huuuuuur
to
>I am a slob with no self-respect but I fuck women

>>33390792
Not reading that
Try relaxing a bit if you want to change anyone's opinion on anything

>>33390711
>its foolish for a man to be concerned with the state of another man's bedroom.
So why are you telling other men about the state of your bedroom then?

>>33390810
We were having a discussion concerning women

>>33389094 (OP)
you can be ugly and still get women, you just have to be confident

>>33390823
Real
Having a disgusting bedroom actually makes you more fuckable they say so in Seinfeld

>>33390819
And the state of your room is a detail YOU added in. So don't post it and then be all "now forget what you just read, why do you even care anyway lolol" you dishonest little shit. Argue like a man and not a woman.

>>33390834
Fundamentally I'm not denying that it makes sense for a woman to have a value judgement about the state of my room but I don't see how it makes sense for a supposed male to make a value judgement about it

>>33390839
Because if you're a slob you're a slob, what difference does it make if you're being told it by a man or a woman?
You should care less about who it is telling you something and more about if they're objectively right or not.

>>33390846
Your opinion is like trash to me, I didn't care when those women said it either but at least they could have had the capacity to sway me over time with good conversation and good experiences.
If women will fuck me first and then complain afterwards, what incentive do I possibly have to change things? It's like a problem that solves itself

>>33390856
>If women will fuck me first and then complain afterwards, what incentive do I possibly have to change things?
So there you go, you have no pride and don't do the bare minimum anyway out of your volition if there's no concern of having sex withheld because of it. Exactly as I was driving at.
>Your opinion is like trash to me,
Which is almost exactly what I said to you that started all this, which ended up in you sperging over half the thread to prove how much you "don't care" that I don't respect you.

>>33390861
As long as you keep making value arguments then you will continue to just be an object which allows me to see my own words with greater clarity.

>>33390575
>>33390560
>>33390567

You realize that's a Forever-alone femcel you're talking to right? May there is hope for me if so many other people are incapable of reading in between the lines and pattern recognition, something you like if you fall for this b8 so hard. How does healthy right not sound corny and #NiceGuy-ish to you? That "guy" is socially inept and it shows, so "he" comes here to argue with people to cope with being lonely


t. Has actually gotten laid. It's half personality and half luck. That's basically it. Anyone that says otherwise is a crab apple liar

>>33390949
>May there is hope for me
Lol, there is not.

>>33390984
You realize you're even worse than the dude you're trying to dunk on right? Regular well adjusted people do not act like this. You are equally as worthless and dishonest for the dumbest reason. Normal people are for the most part are just nice-(ish)and respectable and don't drag people down. What excuse do you have to be like this? Go back to /r9k/ if you wanna be a crab. Thanks for confirming my suspicion that you're either a bitter woman or a manipulative "nice guy"

>>33391015
>Regular well adjusted people do not act like this.
Act like what? I know we all throw this term around lightly, especially on here, but you are mentally ill anon.
I have no respect for blackpill incels...as most people don't...and nor for prideless slobs and people who argue dishonestly, and the guy I was "trying to dunk on" is both. It would be poorly adjusted to be in favor of any of these things, not defend them.
And then you come along and up the mental illness ante by claiming that
>A. I'm a woman
>B. I'm a socially inept sexless femcel woman
>C. You have cracked the code with your pattern recognition despite being hilariously wrong
Furthermore, "dragging people down" is the opposite of what I'm here to do, but it is exactly what this thread and every other blackpill thread in history was created exactly to do. If you have a problem with anything I've said but are conveniently cool with the existence of this thread itself, then we've uncovered yet another duplicitous rat arguing in bad faith.

>>33391043
NTA but I'm an ugly loser, what advice would you give me in order to find genuine love from a cute girl?

>>33391043
>Act like what?
Being a mean spirited edge lord faggot that brings people down? Maybe quit doing that and you'll be happier. You are a projecting loser who feels he/she needs to pick on others to feel good. That's basically it. You failed to grow out of middle school behavior and you need to write giant walls of text defend it. I'm confident you Don't act half as confident as you do IRL. I'm not even trying to defend the other dude you were shitting on, you just look corny as FUCK....just be kind (to a reasonable degree) and don't just go around saying mean spirited shit and people will like you more

>>33390805
Of course the lazy slob is too lazy to read.
>Change opinion
no, you bum, we're mocking you

>>33390856
>I didn't care when those women said it either
Just 10 more replies and you'll convince everyone you don't hare, incel.

>>33390875
Did that sound smart in your head when you wrote it?
Because it is stupid

>>33391131
Literally everything in this post is made up and projection...what am I even meant to respond to here anon? There's nothing to work with.
By even arguing with the false premise you've attempted to set up here I'd be giving you more credence than you deserve anon.

>>33391131
NTA
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
FTFY

>>33389094 (OP)
You see ugly niggas with kids all the time if you ever leave the house.

It's possible, you just have to be exceptionally charismatic and at least one of the following: exceptionally talented, exceptionally rich, exceptionally famous, exceptionally funny, exceptionally smart. And even then don't expect the woman to be a 10/10. Billionaires like Bezos and Zuckerberg didn't get 10/10s, so why should your ugly ass? Accept that your ceiling is probably closer to 5 even if you make it, and aim for that.

Reality
>Less than 15% of men never marry
>Less than 12% of 25 year old men have never had a relationship
This moron
>>33391273
>Only the exception have sex

Ugly people don't love, they mate/copulate. Love is for the beautiful, read Plato and Aristotle.

>>33389114
The blackpill is simply "looks are the most important factor in dating", it's not anti self improvement

>>33390212
Weak bait. Plenty of women do not want to date, it is men desperate for relationships

>>33391084
Nta. I'm fairly new to the thread but I don't think you've given us enough info about yourself and what (if any) actions you've taken to help your situation. Why not start with things like
>Strengths
>Weakenses
>Current living situation
>Your perceived looks (not AS important but still worth bringing up)
>Job
>Pre-existing friends
>Work life
Etc etc.
We can't give you any good advice if we know dick-all about you

Ignore this >>33391194 >>33391043 cumstain poor excuse of a human by the way. They're here to bring you down and nothing more. They're masquerading (poorly) as someone worth listening to

>>33390949
>It's half personality and half luck
Almost, I'd say half attractiveness and half luck. But attractiveness factoring in looks and personality

>>33391283
OP is talking about ugly men.

>>33391388
>But attractiveness factoring in looks and personality
I believe this to be true.
People usually list attributes such as height, looks, personality, confidence, etc., as if they were isolated RPG stats that don't interfere with one another. The reality is that they are all interconnected. Looks boost your confidence, and confidence shapes your personality, which again factors into your perceived attractiveness. On the other hand, someone who is ugly and getting rejected all the time has a harder time staying motivated and being confident, which may cause him to become more cynical and closed off, which makes him seem less attractive, thus creating a negative feedback loop.

I get I laugh at people who say "just be confident bro", as if you could turn a knob and increase your confidence setting. Attractive people are confident because they are winning. Unattractive people are not confident because they are losing. You can't fake it without coming off as forced and thus unattractive. And women instantly detect it.
Tough luck ugly bros.

>>33389094 (OP)
In life, you either get lucky and find love or you don't.
That's the brutal reality. It doesn't even matter how good looking you are. Plenty of handsome men divorcing wives that don't love them right now, fighting for custody of their kids.
Plenty of ugly guys stopping by at home on their lunch break from a job they love, kissing their loving wives.

>>33391283
>New data from the Telegraph indicate levels of sexlessness among young males are steadily increasing, just 34 percent of male students say they've had sex while studying at university while 43 percent report never having had sex.

>>33391791
>the Telegraph
>34 percent of male students
>studying at university

yes the universities are crammed fuller than ever with unfuckable Prabjits and Changs that would not have been sexually successful in the 80s/90s/2000s either

That has no effect on the population at large when not cherry picked

>>33391872
>That has no effect on the population at large when not cherry picked
Nta. Could you provide some direct level sources that can backup your implication that the sexlessness epidemic (this affects non-stacy women by the way) ISN'T a thing?

>>33391536
I agree

>>33391377
Well I'm a complete loser. I'm backpacking so I'm travelling to different countries trying to get a random job here and there but couldn't find anything so I'm jobless and running low on money at the time. My weakness is that I'm ugly, balding and insecure, also very frail and weak physically. On the strength side I think I know how to listen and I try my best to be there for people, I used to be funny but I lost my sense of humor completely. Oh, and I'm somewhat tall

In terms of looks it varies but I would say I'm objectively ugly, I had a cute korean girlfriend once and apparently she thought I was cute but I think she is just delusional

>>33392609
>, I used to be funny but I lost my sense of humor completely
Did you actually lose it or did you just suppress the part of the personality that made you funny? Most funny people aren't really trying to be funny unless there's some stand-up comedian. They just are. Which means YOU are likely still funny but either can't or won't express it due to mental blocks. If possible I recommend finding a group of friends that you feel very comfortable being yourself around. That's the first step. Both of my group of co-workers (I have one full-time job and one part-time) regularly call me funny and it's mostly because I feel comfortable being somewhat silly around them and saying what I find funny. They'll keep in mind you also have to know how to read the room and not say anything TOO stupid (I feel I have to say this not necessarily to you but to any ultra spergs that think edgy humor is funny. If you're into THAT kinda humor then make sure you're around a group that actually appreciates that. Don't go blurting that shit to just anybody).

> I had a cute korean girlfriend once and apparently she thought I was cute but I think she is just delusional

I see this as a dude who's single but could probably pull someone if I tried extra hard: The fact you were able to pull a girl at all is an accomplishment, especially in this day and age work dating sucks ass for literally everybody who isn't already married and/or he doesn't have a ton of money (so like 99% of people today. No, that's not even remotely an exaggeration. Anyone that tries to tell me otherwise can pound sand. The dating market is garbage and even ultra normies admit it). You may not be a 11/10 Chad (I can't see for certain because, well, I don't know what you look like) but I can say with high confidence you aren't as bad looking as you think you are.

>>33392609
>>33392648
Furthermore I recommend ditching the backpacking route and try finding stable income. Preferably in a town that has a lot of young people. I don't know what your plan was with that but it's not sustainable if you're in danger of going broke. From what you read that backpacking shit with the only glaring red flag I can see because it tells me you might be the type of guy who makes rash decisions and doesn't think through them. But otherwise you're probably alright. You also mentioned you think you're weak and frail. Skinny ugly dudes get girls and sling dick all the time . That's not me trying to make you feel better. It just happens. You just need to have a good group of friends. Even some acquaintances might be enough.

>>33392648
>>33392662
Thank you Anon, yes, I think I might be suppressing it. I had an identity crisis over the whole break up thing and I unsubscribed from a few YouTube channels who I thought made me funnier so maybe that's the reason? Also I'm trying to stop running away from my despair as I used humor as a coping mechanism for my mental issues so I don't know how to deal with that side of myself because yes I was funny but I was stealing jokes from comedians or trying to act like them furthering the distance between my persona and the real me

And yes, dating is a nightmare. My ex was really sweet but over the distance thing she started to act more and more insecure and tried to play games to try to make me jealous for the only reason to get my attention which I think it's retarded but other than that was really nice

And I agree completely for the backpacking thing. I was talking to one of my friends about it and I'm pretty much done, it's expensive, stressful, I'm hungrier than I used to be back home, and it's full of sketchy people at night and it gets exhausting to feel hypervigilant. At the same time I feel like I'm quitting out of fear and it makes me feel like a coward in a way

>>33392839
>but I was stealing jokes from comedians
And? You imply that's either remotely a bad thing through it comedians do that shit all the time it just we work it to be in "their style". Contrary to what arrogant "creatives" tell you, true, 100% originality doesn't exist. Everyone takes from something else or it's inspired by something else. Most of our behaviors are learned. Just because you learned your humor from somewhere else does not necessarily make it bad.
>At the same time I feel like I'm quitting out of fear and it makes me feel like a coward in a way

What do you mean out of fear? You didn't even prepare for it. Getting out of fear seems pretty reasonable for this considering you're broke an starving. I'd be concerned if you WEREN'T Afraid. Backpacking for long distances in general is kind of a dumb hobbies in general but that's just my opinion

>>33392861
Hm that's true Anon, maybe I just need to control it without letting it take a hold of me. Maybe I need to learn how to harness my humor instead of creating a separate persona

I kind of agree, the first time I did it it worked great, made money, made friends I still have to this day, and I actually met my ex there too, this second experience has been a complete disaster lmao, I mean it's winter here so it's objectively shittier but my first experience was amazing

>>33389094 (OP)

As long as you’ve got game, yes

>>33390212
>The floor for getting a decent woman is so low
are these "decent women" in the room with us?

>>33392648
>Most funny people aren't really trying to be funny unless there's some stand-up comedian. They just are.
lol unintentional blackpill trvke

>>33391610
A better piece of advice would be to keep your head cool and have the bravery to talk to girls and not stutter the entire time during it.

A lot of normie advice can be difficult to understand, but if you properly understand it, there can be good advice behind it.

>>33391791
This chart is overall.
The issue you are having is not understanding subcultures.
it is well known that high-achievers, especially at prestigious scools, delay loss of virginity, MEN & WOMEN ALIKE.
STEM majors from the top 10 technical universities in the US for example have a 'still virgins at graduation' rate of 75% for men and 80% for women.

>>33391967
Reality
>During the sexual revolution from about 1965 - 1995 there was an anomalous period where early loss of virginity and high levels of promiscuity occured and were acceptable. Since about 1995 this is reverting to the norm, which is later loss of virginity and less promiscuity.
>Over the last 25-30 years both the median age for loss of virginity and total lifetime sexual partner count has been dropping year over year.
>Likewise, regardless of religious belief over the last 15-20 years young people are increasingly likely to view sex outside of marriage as a negative. This is accompanied by an increase of stay at home mothers in all income quintiles and overall more socially-conservative behavior
Ignorant 20 year olds on 4chan
>ZOMFG!!! THERE IS AN EPIDEMIC OF SEXLESSNESS!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>33391610
There are plenty of attractive people who lack confidence and plenty of unattractive people who are confident.

>>33389094 (OP)
>Can you genuinely be loved by a woman if you are ugly or is it all a lie?
Yes, I have seen very ugly people beign with 10/10 girls without them beign secretely rich, fit or what else.
Personality is all that matter. You can always improve your personality enough to compensate your ugliness.

>>33394977
>A better piece of advice would be to keep your head cool and have the bravery to talk to girls and not stutter the entire time during it.
Well what's the difference between this and "just be confident"? You basically just restated it using more words. It all boils down to the same thing in the end.

>>33395119
Cute your source or I can't take you seriously. I want to but you felt inclined to be obnoxious for some reason

>>33395119
>>33395257
*Cite

>>33391337
That's only half of it. The blackpill has two components
1: Looks are the single most important part of succeeding with women.
2: Looks are mostly genetic and out of your control.

>>33389094 (OP)
Of course it's real. If you are ugly women will not desire your genetics for reproduction. Isn't that completely fucking obvious? Throughout human history something like 40% of men did not reproduce yet almost all women did, something like that. The silver lining is that you can still find plenty of reasons to live even if you are ugly.

>>33390212
obese women don't count my man. i'm glad that your fetish inverts the whole game for you but you can't expect everyone to share your sexual preferences

>>33389094 (OP)
Yes

>>33395101
>this self-reported survey of women says the virginity rate is 80% for women
:>)

>>33389118
Alright once again, in English this time.

>>33389094 (OP)
Nice

>>33398209
Every black piller ever
>Every self-reported survey that I like is good but every self-reported survey I don't is bad

>>33395348
>>33395257
The NSFG, the GSS, the OSFS, Pew, Gallup, and a fuckton more.
Here's a hint - go to any search engine and search for "mainstream headline on growing virginity" and you'll find literally hundreds or articles about if for over 15 years.
Everyone from hard-core feminists to Black Pillers have been screaming about this shit for decades.
FFS, the Black Pill retards ITT are complaining about it endlessly, but you don;t ask them for a cite!

>>33395360
annnnnd another retard

>>33389094 (OP)
Tell what is there to judge but looks when first impressions are almost immutable and takes 6 microseconds to be formed?
There is nothing more real than the blackpill, if you want to be taken differently, change your looks, ask any psychopath about it.

>>33389094 (OP)
Yea

>>33389094 (OP) >>33402465
The blackpill isn't wrong about surface-level filtering, but it undersells the depth of the problem.
Human perception is cortical prediction, people see you through pre-trained neural priors, not objective reality.
If you don't match learned patterns of value, you're discounted pre-consciously.
It's not just dating. It's perceptual exclusion at the level of cognition itself.

>>33389094 (OP)
>you are probably only considering "teenage spontaneous love" which is actually just a little more than desire
Desire is ACTUAL ATTRACTION, long-term relationships are tactical decision made by women, they don't love you they just pretend they do and then shittalk you every step of the way

>>33390434
>telling the truth is "demoralizing"

>>33390567
You must be genuinely retarded if you think women care about hygene, my father was an alcoholic homeless man and MULTIPLE women literally let him stay at THEIR OWN house for free and even gave him FOOD, MONEY and CLOTHES, he did not have a job and was in debt(around 100k euros), I might want to add that he was 193cm with a great frame, deep voice and good looking face with dark brown hair and blue eyes, sure it's anecdotal but you faggots love using anecdotes to affirm your false observations of reality so it fits just right

>>33404351
>>33404370
Pseudo-science from KHHVs

>>33404376
>Strawmanning and moving the goal posts is 'telling the truth
lmao

>>33389094 (OP)
Yes

https://youtu.be/kVaolNKt2zw
https://youtu.be/1d925iMSuLY

>>33404545
Even the science you adore goes against your worldview

>>33404545
Yes, neurology is apparently pseudoscientific in 2025, ask you neurosurgeon about it.

>>33389094 (OP)
>Is the Black Pill real?
Ill-formed question: it's a framework, a way of looking at the world. Frameworks aren't real nor fake, nor are they true/false: they're an abstraction and tool.

It also happens to be a mostly ineffective tool/framework assuming your goal is
>I am dissatisfied, want to be loved, and want to start getting laid
but that's a separate issue.

>>33389143
correct

>>33391337
checked, but it's not "simply" that, it goes substantially further. Blackpill's mostly a superset of redpill, which is going to include economic models of dating as a sexual marketplace, as well as its hyper-specific model of attraction, hypergamy, status, and purity culture, most of which is bullshit.

>>33405016
The blackpill is not only a framework, but also a theory. And two different theories can't be correct at the same time unlike the two different frameworks in your example.

>>33405069
>The blackpill is not only a framework, but also a theory.
The word game is irrelevant to my point: I'm seeing to point out "every framework is going to be ''''''real'''''', every framework is going to be ''''''true''''', they're a way to understand and look at the mechanics in a space. the question that actually matters is
>is this framework the right tool for the job?
And if that job's "getting better results (personally, emotionally, sexually for getting laid, etc) it's a stinker all around.

There's a natural impulse if you agree with the blackpill framework to call it a theory to try to lend it a positive valence or credibility boost on similar grounds that anyone calls any framework a theory:
>I like this framework, and I find it very useful and predictive for [some task]
so if you want to praise it, fine, but skip to the part where you'd praise it on the specific merits of results obtained by using that framework.

>two different theories can't be correct at the same time
Even within your point, this isn't broadly true: consider "superset" theories like Newtonian mechanics being refined by general relativity or complementary theories like QM/Relativity, which are both good theories currently bad at describing each other and for which physicists are trying to combine into a "theory of everything".

>>33390526
Why the floor though? Why not have a clothing chair instead?