Thread 33391456

A few years ago my little sister got murdered.
The shooters are in prison, but there were 4 of them. Only one kid shot and all of them are facing hard time. I think i want to forgive them. I’m thinking about trying to only get the shooter put away for life. The others definitely don’t deserve life.
I think there are certain questions that need to be answered.
Should I contact their attorney? How do I involve myself in the case of my little sister’s murder?

>>33391456 (OP)
You can forgive but don't let them know you forgave since your sister can't feel 6 feet deep inside a grave

>>33391456 (OP)
>all of them are facing hard time
Good. They were all responsible.
>The others definitely don’t deserve life
They all deserve the death penalty.

>>33391456 (OP)
>I think i want to forgive them
What does the corpse of your murdered sister think?

>>33391456 (OP)
Don't contact the attorney unless you have a plan. First, find out the actual charges. Then, read state or federal sentencing guidelines to figure out the conditions for life imprisonment under those charges. Then, collect what evidence you can that those conditions exist and send that to the attorney and/or (if your state has one) the victim advocate

>>33391456 (OP)
I would think about brutally murdering their loved ones.

>>33391456 (OP)
Tbf prolonged imprisonment is silly, the death penalty should be handed out much more carefreely. But if you pity them, don't, they didn't murder a stranger...

>>33391456 (OP)
You probably won't have much say in this, I'm afraid. It's up to the judge to set the sentence, based on the circumstances of the crime, not on how you feel about it. If you really want to forgive them, maybe you could start writing to them in prison, or visiting them?

>>33391877
> maybe you could start writing to them in prison, or visiting them?
cuck mentality

>>33391877
Should be up to a jury. Listen. It doesn’t make sense that all four are getting life when only one pulled the trigger.
They need someone to stand up for them.

>>33393677
the law is the law and it's up to the judge and jury

>death penalty
actually costs the state more money than life without parole... they don't simply take the convicts out behind the courthouse it's a long process with appeals and reviews to reduce the chances of mistakes (and mistakes still happen plenty)

>>33394855
Yes we must be extremely respectful towards the judicial system.

>>33391456 (OP)
All of them deserve life. If we lived in a civilisation with more back bone, all of them would be executed, and the only mercy given to them a chance to confess their sins to save their soul before the date of execution. But their bodies still would perish.

>I think there are certain questions that need to be answered
Yes. Question: Why are you giving your sister's murderers more consideration than the memory of your dead sister?

That's what you should ask yourself.

You think only the person who pulled the trigger is guilty. How about the guy who handed him the gun? Or how about the guy who convinced the shooter to do it? How about the little rat who came up with the plan to begin with? All of them acted with the intent to kill or cause reckless damage with a firearm.

Your sister got killed because of that.

>Should I contact their attorney?
Contact a therapist

>>33395128
> You think only the person who pulled the trigger is guilty.
Yes. You have to be retarded. There’s no way the rest share that burden. What if she had shot all four?

She’d go to jail for triple homicide lmao

>>33395152
>There's no way the rest share that burden
Yes they do. It's so easy to prove too, I'll use myself as an example. Once upon a time whe. I was a boy I was a piece of shit. I saw a loner kid who was being himself one day. I told my friend to go hit him with a stick and make him cry. My friend did that. My friend got in trouble. I was like 5 or 6.

As a parent would you agree I deserved to be punished for my involvement? I didn't hit the kid with the stick my friend did. I told him to.
Answer is yes I'm still guilty. And my parents should have punished that.

Same is true for larger scale adult shit. If someone is accomplice to a crime, they are also complicit. They were a major factor as to how and why the event happened. All four of them conspired to kill, and your sister lost her life.

>What if she had shot all four?
>She's go to jail for triple homicide
No, she'd have exercised self defense if they threatened to shoot or shot at her.

Seriously seek help. Your empathy going to your sister's killers and not your own sister who got murdered is fucking insane.

>>33391456 (OP)
>>33395152
Dumb cunt.

>>33395158
Whatever! I’ confident that the jury will set those kids free. They were literally just standing there while the crime happened.
No one can prove otherwise.

>>33392342
OP is the one who said "I think I want to forgive them" - why are you giving me a hard time?

>>33393677
>Should be up to a jury.
Well, it's not, never has been, and never will be. The jury (if there is one) makes decisions about matters of fact: they decide what happened. The judge decides matters of law: it's his job to decide the legal significance of what happened, sentencing included.

It's possible the jury might find the guys who didn't pull the trigger guilty of some crime that is not murder, but the only way you could have any influence on that is if you were a witness to the crime. If you weren't, no one cares what you think.

>>33395477
Yeah everything in life happens in a vacuum, there is no such thing as causality, no sequence of events leading from one to the other. Those three guys just happened to magically meet and befriend the shooter on the same day. They just happened to follow him to approach your sister, for no reason at all. And they just stood there at an inconvenient time when the shooter opened fire to murder your sister. It was a total coincidence those three guys got caught up in that. They wuz good Boyz.

Maybe Netflix should make a show in their honor, to depict how innocent they were and how it was the big bad justice system that stole them away and penned them into prison for no reason.

>>33395537
> Maybe Netflix should make a show in their honor, to depict how innocent they were and how it was the big bad justice system that stole them away and penned them into prison for no reason.
Lmao yeah we could call it making three murderers. Real kino shit. Thanks for the idea.
>>33395532
Do judges decide consequences? That’s news to me, but big if true.

>>33395609
>Lmao yeah we could call it making three murderers. Real kino shit. Thanks for the idea.

Yeah nah I was being sarcastic. But thanks for reminding everyone that Autism is to Psychopathy as diet coke is to coca cola.

Your complete obliviousness and failure to empathize with your own sister may as well be full blown sociopathic. How you are able to even joke about the circumstances of your sister getting killed, on top prioritizing care for the killers over your sister. Astounding. I pray this is bait and I got trolled. Far better outcome than knowing someone like (you) exists, a total prey animal who runs to defend those who exploit and ruin him and his family, like a knee jerk instinct to walk into a slaughterhouse. Madness.

>>33395609
>Do judges decide consequences?
It's up to the judge to decide the sentence, yes.

The basic procedure is: evidence is presented to the jury by both sides. The judge sums up the evidence to the jury and says, in effect "if you think X happened, or you're not sure, your verdict should be 'not guilty'; if you think Y happened and you're sure, your verdict should be guilty". The jury then go away and decide what they think happened and how sure they are, and come back with either "guilty" or "not guilty". If the verdict is not guilty, the accused person is free to go. If the verdict is guilty then it is up to the judge to decide what the punishment should be. (There are extensive sentencing guidelines published by the government, but it's up to the judge to interpret them).

Often there are multiple charges, and the jury makes a separate decision about each of them. So, for example, someone might be charged with murder, and also with being an accessory to murder; the jury might find him not guilty of murder but guilty of being an accessory. In the specific case of murder, the jury usually has the option to find someone guilty of manslaughter rather than murder, or (in the US) to decide if it was first or second degree, etc. Again, all they actually have to decide is what they think happened: the judge will have told them "if you think A happened then the verdict should be murder, if you think B happened then the verdict should be manslaughter".

Having said all of that, many trials these days don't even a have a jury; sometimes it's up to the defendant and his legal team whether they ask for a jury trial or not; often (especially in less serious or extremely complicated cases) a jury isn't an option.

And of course frequently there isn't a trial at all, because (especially in the US) most defendants plead guilty in exchange for a lighter sentence. It's still then up to the judge to pass sentence, but he/she will pay attention to the terms of the plea deal.

>>33395630
(NTA) I don't think it's particularly psychopathic to say that the person who shot someone should get a heavier sentence than someone who just happened to be standing next to them at the time.

>>33395689
>Who just happened
Things don't just happen. You don't just follow a gunman around like a lost puppy to the location of the victim and idly stand by while they gun said victim down like a dog. And you don't just happen to have no prior knowledge that was going to happen and feign ignorance either.

Though maybe I'm wrong because maybe the three of them were as oblivious as OP and it's entirely possible to just randomly follow strange gunmen into a crime scene like a mindless herd animal.

>>33395724
>Though maybe I'm wrong
Maybe you are, yeah. Maybe they didn't even know he had a gun. Maybe they did know but believed him when he said it was for self-defence only and never imagined he might gun down a passing civilian. There's no suggestion of premeditation here, as far as I'm aware.

>>33395742
It's called common sense. Especially if you have street smarts and grew up in trailer trash or a ghetto or a hood. You'd know exactly what was going down if you ran with a pack of bulls as a teenager, having a pack of delinquent buddies to run the streets with. If you're sheltered as fuck or unsocialized you'll be hoodwinked so easily into semantics and nuance when really it was as simple as 4 bored a degenerate kids were bored and had a gun. They prowled around to look for a reason or excuse to use that gun. They wanted to see it go bang bang and watch what happens when someone gets twisted with lead. So they found OP's sister. Don't be surprised did they began catcalling or starting verbal shit to provoke reaction. Then they get her reaction and they pounce at the chance to use the gun to drop her.

Those other 3 little hoodrats probably jeering and popping off as they ran off "brooo did you see how she fell tho? Yo bro that scream tho haha bruh you fucked her up good." High five to the homie who gunned her in cold blood.

>>33395808
>>33395742
Oh and let's not forget, the four reprobates who ended OP's sister, while they were popping off and gloating about the wild and thrilling act of watching a young woman contort and scream or gargle in a pool of her own blood while she can do nothing but despair that she is not going to see her home again, OP stayed indoors on his computer. And from there he devotes all his care and consideration to the people who gunned her down as a pack.
"They need someone to stand up for them" as his own sister couldn't even stand up from her body being broken down from bullets.

Fucking disgusting

>>33395897
You seem to really care about this. Have you considered that I am merely a moral agent trying to maximize benefit for humanity?
What good is done by locking up kids who never intended to harm her, and probably never would?

>>33395931
Yeah it should tell you that something about you is really fucked if your dead sister gets more sympathy from complete strangers on an anonymous board than she does her own brother. What good is your moral compass if you can't even afford it towards the sanctity of your own deceased family? You don't care. What you care about is how good and noble and nice you can make yourself out to be, and you'll gladly use your own sister's death as a prop to prove that to yourself. This is just a big moment for you to preen your gay little feathers about being 'nice' while paradoxically coming across as the most heartless scumbag imaginable.

>>33395948
You won’t be talking like that when I, alone, set them free.

>>33391648
That's like asking what a doorknob thinks.