Thread 33425641

Does love exist?

>>33425641 (OP)
no

>>33425641 (OP)
Yes, but it's always one sided. The reciprocous thing is called something else.

>>33425641 (OP)
It depends on your definition of "exists". Things exist in the sense that we agree they do. There are plenty of intangible things we agree on like love or hate or desire or envy. Its not a thing we can touch - nor can we even really entirely define it that excludes everything it isn't. The point is it doesn't matter. The human consciousness is built in a way where we can never, ever really confirm that anything exists so why worry about it.

>>33425641 (OP)
Yes.

>>33425641 (OP)
it does, but it requires extra conditions to stay alive
obsession; discipline; drive; lust
pick your poison, just know that without one extra augmenting it, it will fizzle out quick

>>33426048
how is discipline different from drive?

>>33426132
Knowing when to push topics, learning how to communicate and staying on top of it, being conscientious of your partner instead of letting yourself get lazy and complacent on their needs. Drive is what makes you want to stay with them.

>>33425641 (OP)
Of course it does, you demoralized fag

>>33425641 (OP)
Yes, I love beating people like you up.

>>33425641 (OP)
Eros exists, and has many lesser avatars.

love is a more marketable word for lust and prostitution. so no.

92% will never experience lasting romantic love however. Most are not even capable of such a thing. It is biological. Some form permanent attachments but they are a minority, and there are downsides to such tendencies, explaining why there are so few who are as such. Namaste.

Yes, if youre mentally healthy enough for it.
Given where we are, I doubt youre up for it. But youre not broken. Find love, hurt yourself in the confusion, and then work to become someone worth of it.
It IS a painful journey, but love is WORTH it. Cant really explain it to you, you need to experience it yourself to understand.

>>33428718
You're interesting, I am a bit of a broken man, but truth is all I really want is a steady interesting job with a kind hearted and cute woman at my side with whom to spend a long quiet life with.. I just hope it is not too painful as you mention it, I've had a big share of suffering in the past years, although it did teach me how delicate relationships can be and that it requires effort to nurture lasting companionship.

Life without affection or love feels quickly empty. If I can get back on tracks that can feel more fullfilling, I would be so greatful..

>>33425641 (OP)
Yes, but you have to take risks to find it, and you can't make it your center. And yes, real love, the kind that lingers even when you think it has all but vanished.

>>33425641 (OP)
Love is natural and real
But not for such as you and I

>>33428583
I'm one of these men, but I fucked it up, recently she confessed, more than a decade later, after we both had children. She said she always thought about me and could drop anyone else, but me. She never stopped watching me, and told me about everything she saw with me over time. It's really quite incredible what she confessed to--I don't really post much about my life, so her to keep tabs she had to put some effort in. I'm happy to say we're walking towards each other again.

>>33428994
>all I really want is a steady interesting job with a kind hearted and cute woman at my side with whom to spend a long quiet life with
you will get bored with her eventually

>>33429503
Are you a man 30 or over? Young men's opinions do not count. You are surrounded by peers who are blossoming, the most effortlessly lovable they will ever be in their life. In just a few decades you cannot even fathom that life keeps on going. Forgive me if you are part of the 8% whatever your age is, but I must warn the young amongst you.

Matters, for some no, and for others yes, some people have by far fucked up way to much to be able to find or feel love, while others let it consume them to a point where its all they feel, really it all dependes on your point of view and the situation your in

>>33429555
i mean yeah everyone will, you will run out of topics to talk about and shit in general, but its staying with them and loving even the little things that got boring that make this all true love, plus you never know someone fully no matter how much you think you do, and if you truly love them, being bored with them wont matter because at least your bored WITH THEM.

>>33425641 (OP)
yes, but not for us.

>>33425641 (OP)
It does, but not romantically. True love is to love your enemies because it' retarded, and love is so retarded it's the most beautiful thing ever. If you are not retarded don't even hope.

>>33429676
i agree with you on this, the most correct thing ive ever seen on this website so far

>>33425641 (OP)
Yes. I love my dog.

>>33430161
She loves you (I don't see a penis)

>>33425675
idiot
>>33425641 (OP)
YES!!!!!!!!!! The love i have in platonic relationships has healed me as a person. takes time to build. ive applied this platonic love to some partners in the past and channeled it into romance and intimacy.
>>33428583
did you pull this number out of your clenched asshole
>>33429485
you are capable of it. lean into it. not obsessive love or oneism. but respect, comraderie, comfort, humor.
>>33429676
idiot

Yes but not for us

>>33431160
No I think I remember looking into it a lot. Many people divorce if not stigmatized and of the people left a significant proportion settled for someone or fell out of love but did not separate. Also human mating would simply work differently if our genes made us feel compelled to. Not all humans are the same, some people have genetics or psychologies that give them the ability to fall hardly in love and maintain it for life like swans, but most people can only love someone for like 10-30 years tops without getting bored. Plus people just change over time. Though cohabitating often makes people become more similar rather than different, so that's a plus.

>>33425641 (OP)
If you attractive

>>33425641 (OP)
Yes. I love my wife

>>33431160
Why do u think the 2 are idiots? In my opinion the smarter you are, the more you look into things instead of just appreciating them as they are, therefore making it harder to feel loved

>>33425641 (OP)
Yes but a woman can never truly love a man. She can love what a man does FOR her, but she can never love him. Your mother can love you, your children can love you, and your dog can love you. That's about it. Your mother is going to die if she hasn't already, you have to have a woman in order to get a child so you're not going to get that either, so your only hope is to get a dog.

>>33425641 (OP)
Only tall, handsome, beautiful, healthy, rich, high status, top 1%iler men in terms of genetic value can be loved. Women can be loved unconditionally because they've eggs, uterus to birth children and a pair of breasts to feed children. A man has to prove that he's in possession of top dog genes by going through various shit tests & humiliation rituals, but a woman has to just exist.
>Noooooo, it's unfair
Cry moar because this is the soiciety your male ancestors fought tooth & nail to build. This is the soiciety your male ancestors died for in the millions, be it in the trenches of ww1 or the bombing runs of ww2.

>>33431313
>Your mother can love you
you answered your own question.
for your woman to truly love you, she needs to have that motherly instinct at the center of her character. someone like this sees their partner as a kind of child, someone they want to take care of but also obviously rely on. They're women that can very much take charge of a relationship and are generally highly driven.
In other words, only a woman in pic related could truly love you.
i've seen this most consistently with asian girls, though i'm sure many men couldn't handle it. most would find to too emasculating, others would be weak simps about it. but if you know how to handle it, congrats, you're living the dream.

>>33429555
I am under the impression that it is quite the opposite. Not everyone wants a wild adventure.

I already traveled, made mistakes, had experiences and it comes a time when all is needed is a simple and reasonably comfortable life.

Life gets difficult enough after a while, and having someone with whom you can share small things is more valuable.

>>33431347

I'd say a good relationship goes with both partners switching roles from time to time. Everybody has one mother, there is no need for a second one.

Having someone caring and helping in times of need is important, and being straight, a woman can provide care and help that men can't, although friends can be of good support, it doesn't replace one another.

>>33431347
>In other words, only a woman in pic related could truly love you.
Your fantasy anime mommy girlfriend doesn't exist and men that desire a girlfriend like this were raised by single moms and have repressed desires for their mothers. Sorry but women do not want to be bred by their own sons and real women aren't attracted to weak men that they have to "mother." It's just a man fantasy/fetish.

>>33431285
/thread

Love only exists for others. Some of us like (you) are observers and we can only be witnesses to it. To experience it would be a 1 sided journey since the one that we would catch feelings for are probably the ones that experience it everyday while for us its a blessing. We're not special to them and we don't belong with them. Only another gondola would be the one for me. Someone that accepts me for me

>>33431452
it does exist because i'm living it right now with my qt japanese fiancee-to-be. she's in her late 20's with an established career and is obsessed with me in a way no one has ever been. i didn't desire someone like her - it just happened, and i don't see why i shouldn't commit to such a relationship, even though i would have to reassess how i would go about being the man of the house since she will have a say in many things.
the benefit is i have never had to second guess her love for me. she was initially very slow to open up and i honestly didn't expect it would go far because of how slow she was to engage, but from her perspective she didn't want a time waster. after she confessed her feelings and asked me for a relationship, she gives me love in ways white girls have never ever. there are no transactions that benefit her here - she earns more money than me, has a more impressive family and can more than provide for herself - and yet she wants to be my wife.
so if the question is does love exists, then obviously i'm gonna say yes it does.

>>33429590
I'm 34, still learning, but I laugh a little more and yell a little less.

>>33432768
dang yall be old asf on here huh

>>33425641 (OP)
unconditional not, romantic love is dictated by attraction and hormones even in outlier cases, someones brain is fucked up and they are in love with an ugly eldritch abomination of a person no one else is attracted to

>>33433680
That's right, champ. 4Chan is full of 30-year-olds.

>>33425641 (OP)
Yeah, but it's not the cure for all of life's ills.

>>33433680
You won't be 9 forever

>>33429482
Risks, yes. You may have to leave a mediocre situation to search for something real.

>>33432768
I’m 35, I’ve found her. She fits me like we are two socks in a matching set. I live to see her smile, and she makes me feel respected and understood. We can talk for hours about nothing and I love her even more.

>>33434024
kms

>>33433680
4chan is older than you lil bro

>>33435326
Yeah man..thats how time works..

>>33425641 (OP)
it does. otherwise, humans wouldnt exist. dont be fooled or demoralized

>>33425641 (OP)
Not for most men.

>>33425641 (OP)
No, he cheated on me

>>33425641 (OP)
I WANNA KNOW WHAT LOVE IS

>>33425641 (OP)
Hapas are so cute

>>33435221
Yeah, I hope Zoomers get to experience it and don't fall for the Black pill trap.

No. Modern woman are ruined, just forget about it

>>33437662
I would like to respectfully disagree with this argument.
It implies that reproduction implies love, which is most certainly not true. Sorokowski et al. recites: "As love seems to be universal, researchers have attempted to find its biological basis. However, no studies till date have shown its direct association with reproductive success, which is broadly known to be a good measure of fitness," (Abstract). (URL: https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.01922/full) I would like to note that said cited source is actually a list of links between love and reproduction, so the the present argument is not that love is never part of reproduction. Indeed, Sorokowski further recites: "We suggest that passion and commitment may be the key factors that increase fitness, and therefore, that selection promoted love in human evolution. However, further studies in this area are recommended." Therefore, I argue the present argument is likely oversimplified and not representative of reality.

>>33425641 (OP)
yes, just not for everybody.
I don't have it either.
tough luck, go lift.

No. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QF4xjfiesXY&pp=ygUpbG92ZSBoYXMgbm90aGluZyB0byBkbyB3aXRoIHJlbGF0aW9uc2hpcHPSBwkJxwkBhyohjO8%3D

It was never real.

>>33425641 (OP)
I wish it weren't. I had it and was not good enough to keep it going.

It's been three years and I can say whatever part of me was still good shriveled up and died that day.

Chemical reaction. Love you read in books or watch in movies is a myth.

I love, that's proof it exists.

>>33426132
discipline is usually will from within
drive is will from desire itself, it comes randomly

If love is real, how long does it take to fade?

>>33425641 (OP)
yes, but not for us

maybe

>>33445463
Who do you love your mom? Sister? God perhaps?

>>33425664
fpbp