>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of them even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, give up, or insist there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
Wingman.live: https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
"Models": https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
"No More Mr Niceguy": https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
Wingmam: https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
Dr. NerdLove: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
Leykis 101: https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq
https://dokumen.pub/why-women-deserve-less-firstnbsped-1467978302-r-1917433.html
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

Prev: >>33396466

What are the minimum requirements to be worthy of love?

>>33426727

Refering to this.

Learn indirect commumication.

went on a date with a 22 yo girl as a 32 yo man, it was boring af but she almost sucked my tongue out of my mouth and got horny

it's funny how when you make a tiny mistake you get ghosted but you dgaf girls actually put the effort

If I'm talking to a girl, how am I supposed to know if she's in to me but is really shy
as opposed to extremely uncomfortable and hates being near me but is "just being nice" so I'll go away
I never figured out the difference

>>33426133
Being a human and not having a personality disorder

>>33426991
Are you talking in person? If so, body language and nonverbal cues can go a long way in that regard.

>>33426991
She tries to purposely gravitate near you. Something in her hear tells you to be near you, which she will do, but she is so shy looking at you she is flustered. Women put effort in guys they like. If she is too shy to where you can't read anything it is just a loss you have to deal with okay. Added too, at times women do not like it when you try too hard when they are at their shy moment. You got to let her ease into you like she is trying to pet a street dog on the head.

i finally improved myself but am a KHV virgin at 28, how do I get the monkey off my back?

I'm also short (5 7) so I don't exactly have the "aura" of the tall dudes but otherwise a good face card. abs/lean AF, and all the rest.

is there anything i could say to actually seal the deal when i share this information? Or would it lowkey be better to just have him escalate all the way to the bedroom and just not say anything?

I'm personally debating a fat girl starter GF preferably needy/clingy and stringing her along

How do I find a woman that isn't addicted to their smartphones like it's crack cocaine?

>>33427331
She is willing to talk to you.

>>33427333
>She is willing to talk to you.

there's this one who always initiates the conversations then zones out during conversation and plays her stupid fucking video games then I have to get up and walk away before I grab that stupid phone and smash it on the ground. I'm so sick of this shit, rather sift thought the bs to find someone who is at least funny and can hold a conversation.

>>33427341
Bro, you can't be like that. You would kind of do the same to me. The more of these nuanced behaviors you let get to you, the worse things will be. You can go your entire life letting odd nuanced behaviors get to you, or you can be human about and carry on your life despite. I said this months ago in a Kyle Hyde post, be happy being alone first before getting a girlfriend. The moment you are happy alone, you can enjoy dating. Dating will not hurt as bad as it does, and from you not overreacting there will be less "emo" moments from you, and from that women will be more comfortable around you.

What the fuck was that:

>meet girl from dating app
>hit it off for two weeks
>make the sex, sleepovers (over christmas eve), she cooks for me, a million kisses, holding hands etc. basically do gf/bf stuff without ever labeling it (should have already told me everything I needed to know)
>have to leave because I am moving to another country for half a year
>tells me she isn't looking for anything serious on my last day
>think to myself that it's not that surprising although it seemed as if she wasn't really sure what she wanted at the time
>we keep in touch, we send letters with lipstick kissies, text and snap eacher other with little videos of kisses and hearts
>this goes on for months
>she stops texting and snapping
>think nothing of it
>after a week she replies that I don't have to text me anymore, she will explain the reasons to me in the next letter
>ff 1 1/2 months: nothing
>ask her about the letter giving her the benefit of the doubt
>tells me she sent it and apapretnly it got lost (?)
>ff another 2 months: nothing
>returned to my homecountry
>text her and basically insist on an explanation
>well anon, I don't think we are on the same wavelength and during that time I met someone :)

Did I get 500 days of Summered? Not judging her for meeting someone or being indecisive, just judging her for basically blueballing me for nearly 4 months as to why she cut off contact. Shit like that showed me that maybe I should tone it down with the emotional bonding with what is supposed to be a fling...

>when we still had contact she told me she had a dream about me but didn't want to tell me what it was about.

>>33427401
Yep, when women say they will do something but don't do it, they will never do it.
If they say something decisive like "I'm not looking for anything serious", take them up on their word. Find someone else.
Women say they want their man to chase, but what they really see it as is neediness.
If she doesn't communicate properly with you, especially if experienced multiple times with the same person, it's not a mistake. They won't change. Take note of the things that are bad in the long run and decide whether it's worth continuing.

Short term gain is not worth long term pain. But short term pain is worth long term gain. That is, don't be chasing too much, even if you may want her more. Proper communication from her side is needed before you can actually get comfortable.

>>33427401
>have to leave because I am moving to another country for half a year
It was always going to end like this, even if she was looking for something serious. A good number of marriages wouldn't survive long distance for 6 months

>>33427708
This. She actually did pretty well by him considering it was just a fling and he literally left after such a short amount of time. He must have good dick he should consider it a win

Asshole advice needed. I listened to my friend who said to try and date with uglier girls first to get more comfortable speaking with them. Found one at tinder, she flirts a lot back to me when we speak and I tried to get her home, but we agreed to walk around first to know each other better (said she scared to meet with someone at home alone, had bad experience). Prior to this we spoke few days in chats. She's totally not my type (quite older, bad face, good body tho), but at that point hole is a hole. Idk how to act with her. Try to cringy flirt, just friendly hug and questions...? I don't expect much so willing to do as you'll advice.

>>33427729
Well, I was quite open about me having to leave the country soon.
I honestly 500 days of Summered myself. Before we met we both said that we are not looking for something longterm (I said it because I had to leave), but how everything played out led me to believe that maybe what we told eachother wasn't the truth lmao. It was a good time though and it taught me a lot for the future

>>33427776
Don't date girls you're not attracted to.
Ask her out (not to your place), drink wine/beer, then invite her over. Not much else to it.

Question: How do I get in the pants of this sexy girl I sorta casually know from the swimming classes we both go to?

My problem is that she's a very outdoorsy, athletic girl who does surfing and mountain biking and all that jazz and likes to go around exploring on the weekends. I'm kinda the opposite in that while I do work out regularly and am pretty /fit/ and don't mind going on outdoor adventures and such, I'm more of an introvert who enjoys reading and coding and playing video games and such. Most I do is go to the gun range sometimes.

She's got a really nice figure and is very pleasant from the handful of times we've spoken and I know that I'm gonna get "lol delusional" comments here but it really does seem like she's attracted to me on some level because I constantly catch her looking at me and then quickly diverting her gaze. I honestly don't even mind if we just have casual sex if that's an option instead of being boyfriend/girlfriend but I just can't figure out how the fuck I can square the fact that we're basically polar opposites and girls like her would usually go for some sporty, athletic guy who hangs around in the same kind of social circles that she does.

To make things worse, we are about a decade apart (I'm 32, she's 21) and I don't wanna scare her off because I know that zoomer girls tend to get really uneasy about that.

>>33428019
Kek.
Go ask her out for food after swimming class.

I'm really starting to hate women, I don't want to but after going out on a few dates that never went anywhere I'm starting to despise women.

>>33426078 (OP)
How do I stop feeling nervous about trying to ask out girls in public places?

>>33428250
By doing it a lot

Hey guys this chick ive been talking to randomly grabbed my dick from outside my pants and said "I want you to fuck me with this big dick so bad daddy" but im not really sure what she meant exactly any ideas?

She wants you to commit self-deletion, bro.

>>33428462
Friend-zoning you. Move on.

>>33428622
Not your problem call suicide prevention or the police let them handle it and never talk to her again.

>>33427313
When you say “monkey” do you mean your virginity or the fact that you’ve never been in a relationship before? It can be both but each of these have different methods of reconciliation.

>>33428770
nta but virginity
idgaf about relationships but sex would be nice

>>33428844
>swipe on apps
>go on dates
>have sex

>>33428992
>swipes leads to dates
Well look at this chad

>booring. You dress to not draw attention to yourself because you are afraid of other men judging you and hurting you.
>The problem with this is it also repels women because they think you are meek and weak.
>Men aren't going to attack you so step out of your comfort zone and dress more provocatively.
Okay seriously who tf is this redpill guy in last thread, he sound insane

Seriously
>This is the woman you chose, this is the woman you led, trained and guided. Even if you are not aware of sexual polarity. Calling her a bitch reflects your standards and inner world, as well as retroactively devalues what you had. You chose her, you trained her. Now your pain is speaking

>breaks up with me over text
>tells me to go fuck myself and that she doesn't want me in her life anymore
>Pay attention. When women leave, they disappear. They dont argue, they dont fight. They vanish into someone else bed

>Your hurt ego blinds you. See behind the words, that woman is hurt so she expresses her emotions AT THAT EXACT moment with the magnitude of her own pain. She wants you to feel as she feels. This is how women are wired, its not their choice

>next day she texts me saying she apologize
>This is huge. Women almost never apologize. Especially not to the men they dont love. If she wouldnt care, you would be ghosted, blocked for life

>she respects me
>For a woman thats a huge step over ego to say this after apology

>doesn't take back what she said
>Yes, because its not about her words. Its about what made her feel this way to say it. Something is fucked in your relationship, do you have anger issues? Avoidance? Seems like you are as emotional as she is, reactive

>now she's texting me asking for
>She misses you, she wants you, she creates opportunity for you to lead. To seduce, to emotionally regulate her, to have dates and romance. But you are inexperienced yet and your ego is fragile so far

>like nothing happened
>She is offering you peace and you are still stuck in fighting. She is acting more manly than you are

>>33429099
Fix your profile mate.

>>33429099
The truth nvke is that if you lower your standards and swipe right on every one you have far higher odds of finding a match. That is if you’re not horribly disfigured.

>>33429188
*Save up for plastic surgery
Also this >>33429189

>>33429189

>just match with ugly foids bro

they still don't respond

>>33429188
>>33428992

Most men can't get dates on tinder, you pants shitting retard. Your life is just easy.

I already know what you'll say

>well you're just ugly!

I really don't care that pointing out what it's like for people who are not privileged means I out myself as not privileged. Getting dates is actually hard for the average man, as women are the ones who choose who they date. And everyone, including the retards larping as chads, including the manlets who tell you they get lots of attention from women, know it.

>>33427313
>improved myself

you fell for the meme jfl

>good face

you know you don't because you're not getting picked by women. you're talking about what kind of gf you want and what to do to get a woman's interest, and they're not even noticing you.

>good body

you still skipped genetics day

>I'm personally debating a fat girl starter GF preferably needy/clingy and stringing her along

cope

>>33429286
Well the larger problem may be how awful you must look if there is not a single woman on any dating app willing to match with you.
>>33429291
There's a significant difference between using dating apps for getting dates with women you have even remotest romantic interest in and using them to find warm holes to put your dick in. If your goal is the latter then I truly find it hard to believe an average to below average man cannot find a single specimen to be willing to have sex with them. You can blame your looks as much as you want but the bar is really not as high as you think it is.

How often do you text your girlfriend or girls you're seeing? Is it 100% making plans? Did it change over time (like 2 months vs 6 months vs 1 year)?
Should i take it poorly that my girl doesn't text me that much but she will agree to dates and invite me to things and we'll have a convo over text, but she's not lovey or flirty over it.

Should I get over it if I feel like our styles don't match - is this something that's a red flag for you?

>>33427401
>Did I get 500 days of Summered?
no you literally left the country for half a year, retard. anyone is fully within their rights to look for someone else given that premise

>>33427401
nigga you left for 6 months, did you expect her to wait around even though you weren't even official?
not saying you should put your life on hold for a woman but you can't expect her to either.

Alright everyone.. report in. Last time you got laid

If you actively try to avoid women for the purposes of reducing lust and when some of them walk by to whisper shit like "fag"

Does that mean I successfully pissed them off/insulted I didn't accept their advances?

Guys im trying to overcome the pain I have from my consistent failures with trying to hit on women. Do I literally just have to suck it up and try again? It hurts

>>33426078 (OP)
Treat women like children, without letting them know cause they hate being treated like children.
>>33426133
You are worthy of love.
Whether or not you get it is a different matter.
I admit some people arent worthy; you are

>>33430523
I'd work on fixing your other personal issues before adding women to the situation. They complicate things.
>>33430488
>when some of them walk by to whisper shit like "fag"
this isn't happening. take your meds.

>>33430537
>this isn't happening. take your meds.

it is tho, and it did

am a virgin at 26 , told my plight to some coworkers and weirdly enough the story spread and I got propositioned by a couple to join them ,

WT-actual-F do I do ? Take them up on it? they are in their thirties

>>33430537
What if fixing my personal issues would take years / the rest of my life

>>33430610
Im guessing it's a gay couple and they said they'd happily sodomize you?

Is this true at all?

>>33430623
male -female , but lowkey I think sodomizing is on the table

>>33430626
For her maybe, but she's probably a roastie

>>33430637
>but lowkey I think sodomizing is on the table

>>33430626
this bitch dont even know how to assess IQ and its on the fucking list

How to get women online?

I have always wanted to compile a comprehensive guide containing the tips, tricks and hacks of finding effective ways to find chicks in a certain area, and now finally after my break up i can pursue this noble path.

I myself am from a small town, so the chicks on dating apps are mostly hoes and there no fun in chasing them, is there? Only platforms in my opinion that are universal enough and vast enough for this are Instagram and snapchat. And most worthwhile girls on insta have a private account.
So these are the first question that arises in this pursuit is: Is there a way to filter out the accounts (public and private) of girls in a certain area on Instagram and/or snapchat. Maybe a third party software or service, or a hack within these platforms, idk.

>>33430721
its almost as if the infodump in the first post is there for a reason...

>>33427353

It's not even that rejection bothers me but the lack or ability of creating a rapport or connection whether it's on my end or theirs but yea you're right, it's a neurosis.

>>33426918
>went on a date with a 22 yo girl as a 32 yo man

How'd you pull that off?

>>33431096
NTA but most of my Tinder matches are on the younger side. There's not strategy to it, some women just like older guys. Plus I don't look my age, I could put 25 in my profile and get away with it

>>33430737
>the infodump
>unironically taking a fucking womans advice on dating as a guy
holy kek

>>33430626
How would we know if that random woman's ideal man she posts is real or not? It doesn't matter. Individual ideals of people you actually encounter hardly matter.

I don't know where anons get idea that all women exclusively hold to high standards and never "date down" or make mistakes.
People are people.

>>33430626
Ideal man =/= man she'd happily have sex with or get into a relationship into.

Same goes for men, most guys' ideal woman is probably some impossibly voluptuous sex goddess with a voice like Aphrodite who has eyes for them and only for them and has a lovely, feminine demeanor, is into all the same things they are and has no problems doing everything and anything they say. But most men will still wanna bang or fall in love with women that aren't even close to meeting that standard.

>be 30 (look 26 btw)
>hanged out with a 19yo all day
>huge tits, I think she's wearing two sport bras and a baggy shirt to hide them, still huge.
>just waking along side her gives me erection, despite her face being kind of chopped
got blue balls from just hanging out, working on some project. How to avoid this?
I think she likes me tbqh, but I don't want to engage for other(social) reasons.

>>33431457
>>33431859
I fucking hate you guys so much.

>>33431457
>Plus I don't look my age, I could put 25 in my profile and get away with it

That's pretty much it, I've noticed that women really dig this combination of "youthful appearance" + "chiseled maturity". It's difficult to describe but if you look up some older actors or singers or media personalities that girls fawn over you'll notice they all have it. I think the best explanation is that it implies a degree of virility and physical prowess combined with experience/wisdom and self-assured confidence.

>>33431911
>I fucking hate you guys so much.
why? because I should pump and dump her? I have no problems dating a 19yo at all, but I'm looking for a gf to become wife, and I don't think she's it, although, yes I would love to suck her giant tits.
I'm programing a summer camp with her and other young women, so I don't want to "contaminate the pool" so to speak. Once you dip your toes in that "pool" your done. You are not going to be able to date any other women from that "pool". Now there's another girl there that is crazy hot, and I'm going to try and sus it out, and drop some L rizz and see what happens. She's 20, but has some dyel bf.
Dating is a social thing, you have to consider how you'll be seen after fucking a 19 yo in that work group.
I also don't want to hurt girls. The huge tittied 19 yo seems like a sweet girl, and I wouldn't want to contribute to this fuck fest modern dating is. Again, I want to date a girl I can put a ring on.

>>33431944
Cool, since we've established you're a fag, can I get those girls' numbers instead?

Also I still hate you because you're getting opportunities dropped in your lap that I'd kill for.

Do you got at it raw?

>>33431952
>because you're getting opportunities dropped in your lap
I've worked for those.

Tips on getting women that are much older than you? How to recognise the ones that want someone younger? Is the game the same as younger girls?

>>33431982
Oh yeah? And how so? Enlighten us. Because programing a summer camp ain't it chief, I've done shit like that as well and it sure didn't have me in contact with hotties.

>>33431983
Treat them like any other women, just don't try lines like "you look great for your age" or "I wouldn't have guessed you're that old", you get me.

As for meeting them, I had little luck on apps with older women. I guess 40+ women are more traditional in that regard

>>33430264
>Well the larger problem may be how awful you must look if there is not a single woman on any dating app willing to match with you.

Oh no! I outed myself as unattractive!

I take that back! I get hundreds of matches a week! All men get hundreds of matches a week effortlessly and daily dates! And women are all over us! Is that better?

You fucking RETARD. I will not be bullied into pretending life is easier than it is under the threat of being shamed for having it hard myself. It is hard out there, specially on dating apps, for most average or below average looking men, and that's the way it is, and that's proven in many ways and there's plenty of evidence out there that only an absolute idiot would overlook.

>>33430264
>There's a significant difference between using dating apps for getting dates with women you have even remotest romantic interest in and using them to find warm holes to put your dick in. If your goal is the latter then I truly find it hard to believe an average to below average man cannot find a single specimen to be willing to have sex with them. You can blame your looks as much as you want but the bar is really not as high as you think it is.

Dating apps are hell for average and below average looking men, and everyone knows it at this point, so you saying this is kind of ridiculous. You could've said "just delete tinder and try in person if you're ugly" and it'd be somewhat believable. But you couldn't even plausibly lie because you're an absolute retard.

Should you ever put on a dating app that you are looking for a relationship as a man?

>How do I get women
he asked, slouching and craning over his trash filled desk, the light from his monitor beaming on his undefined facial features and scattering around a room with blackout curtains and a mess resembling his inner state.
>Why is she not into me?
He wondered with a absurdly comical lack of self awareness of the hole he finds himself in, knowing that if he were to ever talk to a member of the opposite sex and try to perform the herculean feat of elevating himself to the basic societal level that is not even worth a second thought for most people, it would be akin to pulling a deep sea creature up to the surface and in doing so completely deform and mutilate it, turning it into a cruel mockery of what little it had left.
>Ugh, I'm done, all women are whores
He muttered to himself, sensing a kind of defeat that only befalls those that never even tried to compete. His mind forever consumed of everything that he always believed to be out of reach for him and every opportunity he has let pass as a result of confining himself to his self imposed prison cell. Torturing himself by the consequences of his inaction.
The absolute state of the modern man.

>>33432214
assuming you're a regular guy
always, always tell women you're looking for something serious. doing otherwise is shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to dating(80% will skip you if you say you're looking for a fwb/hookup).

so what if you pump and dump her? that doesn't make you an asshole. you can be looking for a LTR and still be having sex with women who don't qualify.

>>33432266
In my experience women on dating apps have commitment issues, so putting up front that you are looking for a relationship will give you a disadvantage with a lot of them. On the one hand I don't want to match these women anyways and I might turn off the women that are actually relationship material. On the other hand I want to be swiped right by as many women as possible to game the algorithm.

>ask girl out (seeing her for 3 months)
>she says yes
>suggest day
>she says yes, recommends a restaurant even though I wanted to recommend something
Is this a good sign or is it beta to go along with her suggestions?

>>33431911
nothing wrong with age gaps, you sound angry because you see it as competition lol

>>33431096
32 and 22 isn't that big of a deal, especially if you look youngish for your age

You stand before me, fists clenched in pride
Shouting strength is somethin' fate provides
But weapons made without the pain
Shatters, worthless, beneath the strain

A hammer alone is nothing
until you lift it!
Steel is but a whisper
until the forge has kissed it!

Fire shapes, fire bends
fire tempers, fire mends
Strength is not given, boy
You forge it in the end!

No fire burns forever
if it’s left to stand alone
No blade is ever sharpened
if it’s never felt the stone
Strength is not a birthright
nor a gift from kings or gods
It is the fire in your heart
that defies the odds
It is the pain of failure
the lessons from each scar
It is the anvil’s judgment
that speaks to who you are

Strike the iron, raise the pyre!
Cut the weakness, feed the fire!

A hammer alone is nothing
until you lift it!
Steel is but a whisper
until the forge has kissed it!

Fire shapes, fire bends
fire tempers, fire mends
Strength is not given, boy
you forge it in the end!

>>33432241

>He raped me!
She said, feeling absolutely disgusted at the thought of a man who she deems inferior and worthless touching her, and getting the same privileges she would only give to one with perfect face and height, completely oblivious to the fact that her eugenic elitism is the reason she deserved it.

>>33432611
You are a disgusting piece of shit and deserve every misfortune. Going by your own logic, you deserve to be raped, because I am damn sure you would not want to have sex with an ugly woman.

You incel freak.

Imagine blaming others for your own inability to find a woman. You wouldn't want to date someone you were not attracted to, why would you expect anyone else to want to either? The reason women don't want you is your shitty attitude. They can see that you are no more than an entitled freak who thinks Mommy's special boy deserves love, affection and a ride just for existing. You seriously need to take a deep look inside yourself and sort yourself out, you disgusting, self pitying, worm.

>>33432611
based

>>33432665
kek

>>33432665
>Mommy's special boy deserves love, affection and a ride just for existing

This but unironically. Because foids and chads get literally that.

The world isn't fair and some people are more privileged than others, and that's how it is. Okay. But I can disagree with that and act on it.

What you are saying is just world fallacy. Because I am angry about the misfortune I have to go through, it means I am a bad person and deserve every misfortune, and I am an incel because of my attitude. It's like saying "you are an incel because you are an incel, not because you are ugly".

>>33433012
>The world isn't fair and some people are more privileged than others, and that's how it is. Okay.
True.

>But I can disagree with that and act on it.
By "disagreeing with that", I conclude you mean to act to change it. Because nothing else makes sense.
However acting to create unfairness that benefits you doesn't change anything at all.

I was born facially deformed and wrongfully believed that made me too ugly to be considered physically attractive to women. I chose to act on this unfairness by leaning into my strength, being funny. I did this because I literally saw women happily in relationships with unattractive men without money. So obviously, physical attraction is not the only path.
I acted by changing myself to give myself and advantage to balance out my born disadvantage. I made things more fair.
I didn't hurt women unfairly because life hurt me unfairly. That's just being a dick.

>What you are saying is just world fallacy.
Nope. T
You might be succumbing to Fallacy Fallacy.
It's an observation of your horrific attitude that is likely to repel almost everyone.

>Because I am angry about the misfortune I have to go through, it means I am a bad person and deserve every misfortune
You may have started off at a disadvantage. And instead of trying to overcome it by working to change what you could, you stewed on anger and resentment, which made your situation much worse.

>I am an incel because of my attitude.
>It's like saying "you are an incel because you are an incel, not because you are ugly".
Exactly so.
Being unattractive is an obstacle.
Being an incel is a mindset.

>>33433012
>>33433216
Anyway, most anons here whinge about being horribly unattractive because they want to look like a mythical Chad and have a bit of asymmetry or are overweight. They aren't even ugly. They're just not as sexy as Ray Romano.
I was born with with a facial deformity so severe that they had to invent a life threatening surgery for it which I was in the first 20 people to receive.
It was only mildly successful and I still get asked what happened to my face.
I attract women by being pleasant and charming.
Git gud.

Or don't. I'm not particularly invested in you as an individual. I'm simply correcting you to benefit the thread.

I was talking to random people at an anime con and ran across this cute girl. Was I rizzing her up? Could I have pulled?
https://youtu.be/JuWtfIvoQGg?feature=shared&t=2588

>>33433241
Seems like she was enjoying the conversation. Did you keep talking without the camera?

>>33433261
Nope. I didn't realize we were vibing until I checked the footage at home lol

>>33433221
>guys, guys, I'm LITERALLY a 4'5, ugly, balding, schizophrenic, autistic, poor, indian dicklet janitor and I date 10/10 supermodels on rotaion
>git gud lmao
anon, I...

>>33433267
Conventions are a great place for meeting new people. Looks like you've got a channel but try and balance content with socializing.

>>33433241
The girl in the video was fully engaged, charmed, enjoying herself, and onboard. She hadn't reached the point where she disengaged out of disinterest. It was possible to go further unless she was taken or otherwise prevented from getting together, like traveling far away after the con and not interested in ldr or hook ups. I've seen that level a lot.
It's difficult to say because she's enjoying talking about anime on camera which could be exciting to her but if it were a mundane conversation, that would've been 100% flirting. As a reminder, flirting is not serious and doesn't necessary suggest interest in following up.

Good reference for visual cues of flirting though. Especially when she's talking about her favorite anime guy, although her pleased expression was about him.

>>33433277
>I'm LITERALLY a 4'5, ugly, balding, schizophrenic, autistic, poor, indian dicklet janitor and I date 10/10 supermodels on rotaion
Wtf are you talking about?

What the fuck do I do if I have no charisma?

>>33433303
Boohoo, what you got a little face deformity? Womp Womp. Why don't you cry about it some more?
I was literally born blind and deaf and without arms or legs and got beaten daily by my parents and got hospitalized more times than I can count and I still literally fucked every hot blonde actress you can think of.
So ummmm, basically git gud, mkay?

>>33433320
jaw surgery + limb lengthening surgery + andgrogens

>>33433322
>got beaten daily by my parents and got hospitalized
So you're saying you had parents and received healthcare? Lucky you.

How do I find more headstrong women? I'm pretty conventionally attractive and because of that women tend to be deferential to me. It makes conversations boring and less fun. I even push boundaries and say something out of line to try and get a reaction but even that will get nothing. The only women who really catch my interest are ones that are willing to offer some sort of back and forth. Even if it's like they don't like me a little. It's still much better to go back and forth with someone opinionated than be with someone who tried to be agreeable at all times.

>>33433444
Yeah, if by healthcare you mean they sent me off to a street doctor where they drugged me until I stopped screaming from all the pain and abuse they put me through.
Still manage to bang pretty much every girl I come across, so zip it next time you think you have it rough, okay champ?

>>33429133
Bullshit. If she left and slept with someone else before trying to get you back, she can piss off.
Probably not actually sorry. Just realized the grass is not greener on the other size.

>>33433331
Lovin' that barbie doll bod /s

>>33433497
>street doctor where they drugged me until I stopped screaming
So you're saying you managed to be able to stop screaming? You lucky son of a bitch.

>>33433775
Bro could prolly rizz up a baddie and get her to go home with him on the spot (consensually) without uttering a single word and simiply grunting at her while pointing at his cock.
Could you say the same?

htgwg, need your help
>first date, 5 hrs, ends in makeout sesh
>second date 13 days later, texting in between, ends in makeout and kino throughout the date and kisses throughout cause bar then mini-golf we were basically dry humping at each hole no pun intended
>couple days after date 2 texting dries up
do i keep playing it cool or am I cooked

>>33430306
bro stop fucking simping, it's pathetic. you're saying you go on dates and she invites you to things and yet you're crying about not getting validation outside of the times you're together. get a fucking grip. why do you need her to constantly text you? you've got an ideal girl here communication wise and you're sore about it. texting is shit, boring and distracting. when i'm home i wanna focus on my own shit, whether it's play games or watch something or go out. my girl texts me early morning before work and in the evening after 7 for a bit, and that's it. she might be more loveydovey than your girl when she does text but that's irrelevant. it's simply not necessary.
your insecurity is genuinely pathetic and you'll do well to develop yourself in that regard ASAP.

>>33432295
is this kind of beta insecurity (proliferated by online pseudo-masculinity content creators) bait or genuinely codified into the male psychee?

>>33434087
Why didn't you fuck her 2nd date? Sounds like she got bored because you didn't fuck her.

>>33426078 (OP)
Please help me, I need some advice >>33434264

>>33433216
>>33433221
this sounds like a parody of reddit desu and i think you are delusional and an unreliable narrator

Got myself a short-term fun date off Tinder. I can't really tell what kind of short-term fun she's looking for though. Personally I'm hoping for it to escalate to the bedroom. But I don't know how to lead a girl there if she may be looking for it on a first or second date without being explicit about the intent.

I was thinking about asking her casually in a roundabout way when the time was right. Something like bringing up that she was looking for short-term fun and how that means something different for everyone, after making sure she's okay sharing that kind of info. But then I was also wondering if there was a better way to go about this or to view the situation.

tl;dr how to get to smashing when the girl may be down for it on a first or second date but you don't know if she is

>>33430637
Tell them only if no male on male. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth otherwise

>>33436259
And on that note how do I actually seduce a girl (behavior wise. Ofc I know having all the good man qualities is a must)

>>33434315
>your insecurity is genuinely pathetic and you'll do well to develop yourself in that regard ASAP.
I know. thanks.

>go to bar by myself
>7/10 big titty girl comes in
>I start chatting her up
>she asks me to play connect 4 with her, it’s a bar with games
>now my brain has to try to play a strategy game while at the same time running game
>I lose all my riz and seductive power
>she still says I can stay over at her place tonight if I want to
>then she pulls up a sexy pic of herself on her phone (not nude) and shows me
>but she is failing compliance tests, I shake hands after losing to her and say “okay but with laced fingers” she laughs and won’t do it
>she tells me about “her trauma” and childhood and shit. Raised by her grandmother who she says was mean and shut (daddy issues hell yeah)
>we exchange numbers and I ask her ti send me the pic she showed me and she says “you haven’t earned it” or something
>I feel like her lack of compliance means I need to roll off but this bar is basically empty so I just kind of left

Was a humbling experience. I like to think of myself as someone with pretty good game but it’s been like 5 years and I guess I’m rusty as fuck. I’m still not sure what her deal was

>>33436417
Oh man that's rough. Hahaha. Happened to all of us at some point. You'll get better at running game and then it will come more naturally.

The bigger problem here is that you almost settled for a 7/10! I have a friend who's only 6 feet tall and not that good at running game, and even still, his minimum is an 8!

>>33436417
>>she still says I can stay over at her place tonight if I want to
I don't endorse this stuff but how did this not end up with you at her place? Did you just brush it off?

>>33436458
The context was about me only drinking 2 beers cause I was planning to drive home and she said if I get drunk I can stay “on her couch”.

I think I was just in her frame and not vice versa. She was kind of the dominant one in the interaction. She was very comfortable ordering me to do stuff and I would have to tell her to say please. Maybe I got turned off by the reverse polarity. I think bouncing was me trying to take the frame and dominance back even if it meant me completely losing. It was definitely driven by emotion because as soon as I got home I was kicking myself I really wanted to motor boat those titties

>>33436470
Willingness to walk away is extremely alpha but being alpha is not the main goal. You lost the forest for the trees.

>>33436417
>>33436470
What the fuck am I reading you need to get off that pua bullshit bro. Listen to this a girl is saying you can stay over at her place shows you sexy pics and you're over here talking about >complaince test and >in her frame. Wtf you have lost the plot.

>>33436521
Exactly. here's a brief story about using this pua shit on a real life girl.
>new relationship
>want to ask her out to brunch
>want to seem confident like the PUA shit I've read
>text her "let's do bunch here at 1pm"
>talking to her later
>she says she really wants to say yes to dates but would prefer if I asked her instead of just told her what we're doing, blames it on her own stubbornness.
>sure, I can do that
So me trying to use this retarded "game" actually made her turned off/annoyed and it was because I was trying to be someone I'm not.

>>33436521
Maybe I would have never got her to that point without pua shit

You have to crash the car to know how fast you can drive. In this case I was a little too alpha and non-needy for my own good but it’s better than having the opposite problem like most chumps

>>33436535
Whatever PUA told you to communicate like that is simply a retard. If you had said “I am going to brunch at 1 would you like to join?” That’s cool but I don’t think anybody smart would teach you to command dates like that

I have never had problems dating, however I just got put of a long term relationship of 8 years and dating in your 30s is miserable.

How do you even meet women at this age? Dating sites? Last one I used was okcupid over 10 years ago.

>>33436575
Dating apps are just ass in general nowadays. The older women that are on them are all usually very unattractive, damaged or unpleasant and younger women won't even see you because of how the retarded algorithm is designed. Even really handsome/famous dudes get less play on them compared to a decade back, let alone average guys.

>>33436521
What do you mean? That's a pretty good rule of thumb of whether or not a girl respects you or if she is looking to make you her errand boy/attention dispensary. That's not even something that you necessarily learn online, your gut should be screaming at you if you are being made someone else's bitch, it literally comes as a package deal with having an XY chromosome.
There is enough pussy out there that you have no real reason to put up with women who try and have you wrapped around their fingers like that unless you have some kind of humiliation fetish, or extremely low self esteem.

>>33436660
>There is enough pussy out there that you have no real reason to put up with women who try and have you wrapped around their fingers like that unless you have some kind of humiliation fetish, or extremely low self esteem.
Girl literally invited anon to stay at her place overnight and showed him sexy pics on her phone. At that point literally all he had to do was say yes and then go back to her place and put the moves on her. Instead he went full retard with "compliance tests" (what the fuck does that even means?) and missed out on an easy lay. This is why PUA is ultimately so harmful, it starts off giving good basic advice on how to get better with girls but because all of that stuff takes up maybe 4 pages total in Microsoft Word and won't make you any money, they have to pad it out with extra BS that has the exact opposite effect of getting guys stuck in their head instead of just letting their dick guide them.

>>33436681
The girl was out to get fucked and bro was the biggest Chad in an empty bar. He felt the vibe was wrong and bounced I think he did the self respecting thing. You don’t have to let yourself be reduced to attention and dick dispenser as other anon said.

>>33436705
Retarded reasoning like this is why 4chan is full of so many dorks asking "hurr durr wimminz dun liek me whyyyyy?" because they keep talking themselves out of getting laid in easy situations.

>>33436259
Dont ask straight up u wanna get dicked?? Girls usually dont like that, better to be non explicit but obvious unless she starts it first. Like just inviting her over for tea/chill/watch something after the date. She isn't stupid she knows what that means. You just need to have fun on the date talk laugh flirt and naturally escalate with physical proximity and touch look at her body language see if she reciprocates or pulls back.
>>33436705
Like what self respect? He wasn't looking for his pure church wife to start a family he was literally looking for the same thing out there and found someone. It's not that deep man. Anon got confused because it wasn't following his pua script that he got too stuck in his head and blew it.

>>33436758
I disagree completely. Anon displayed abundance mentality. The complete opposite of incel scarcity mentality that would have had most anons fucking a girl that didn’t show the desired respect.

>>33436681
You weren't there though. You don't have to jump at every opportunity to have sex if it doesn't feel right. Anon probably isn't that desperate and listened to his gut instinct telling him to bounce. Horny brain will literally inhibit your ability to make decisions that aren't about getting your dick wet, which is how a lot of guys end up getting pussy whipped.
Same with women, they will literally date the biggest POS imaginable because they know how to fuck. Gotta have at least some self respect.

>>33436681
>instead of just letting their dick guide them
because historically that has never backfired.

>>33436758
Idk anon, you reasoning seems to be guided by desperation. According to your logic, there would be no problem to be in standing in line to pipe that OF girl that had sex with 1000 guys in one day, because fuck self respect, right? At least you're getting laid.

>>33436782
>that would have had most anons fucking a girl that didn’t show the desired respect.

Nigger what respect? Girl was DTF and anon based off his own comment clearly wanted to fuck her but got cockblocked by his own dumb ass insisting on stupid compliance tests (which for those who don't know is basically a gay PUA technique of asking girls to continuously do favors for you outta nowhere to "prove" that they like you. If you're not a moron it should be blindingly obvious why this is a stupid way to gauge attraction).

>excuse me ma'am I would love to proceed with coitus but you haven't passed the required prerequisites yet to be eligible for the dickings. You have failed the compliance tests so far and have not left your self constructed frame yet. I require you to redo the compliance test by entering my frame and respectfully submit to my dominance before we can proceed with intercourse.

>>33436802
>>33436785
>>33436782
>>33436794
i didn't know girlschase had their own private internet defense force

>>33436575
>I have never had problems dating
>just entered 30s aka hard mode
lel

>>33436575
You got to meet girls IRL. The hot 19 year old literally has you filtered on apps now.

>>33436807
Kek

Based autist demands compliance I still respect it. Dick in vagina isn’t the point for some players. Some men just want to feel powerful

>>33436867
>Dick in vagina isn’t the point for some players.

If you're not aiming to get your dick in a vagina then you're not a "player", you're a fag in denial.

>>33436887
Hate to break it to you but the most successful pickup artists tend to be motivated by affection and validation more than sex. Guys motivated by sex will settle down with the first high sex drive woman who is attractive enough as to not be embarrassing to be seen together. There needs to be a bigger void to fill for someone to make picking up hoes a focal point of their life.

>>33436908
>Hate to break it to you but the most successful pickup artists tend to be motivated by affection and validation more than sex.

Lol no they aren't. The ones motivated by "validation" gained by making some random roastie laugh and giggle at their dumb pick up routine without her actually sleeping with them are not players, they are PUA weirdos whose main goal is to impress a bunch of other dudes with their theatrical wizardry rather than sleeping with women. Actual players like women, like sex and enjoy the validation from actually sharing good experiences with many hot girls.

>Guys motivated by sex will settle down with the first high sex drive woman who is attractive enough as to not be embarrassing to be seen together.

Wrong. Dudes who are motivated by sex will sleep with as many women as they can until it gets boring and they start focusing on a finding a proper girlfriend/wife. That's the general trajectory with player types and the goal of most men in general who aren't closet homos in denial like pick-up artist weirdos.

>>33436944
You don’t know what you’re talking about kiddo. Literally zero life experience probably never been outside definitely never met a high level PUA or even a natural chad.

>>33437027
Aww, did PUA weirdo get upset at being called out? Hit too close to home I see.

>>33437115
No like you’re observations directly are the opposite of my observations which makes me assume you are inexperienced with life or are lying or something

why do chads say to ignore women if you want them to like you
if you ignore women; nothing ever happens literally

>>33437358
Game theory, not handing out attention like candy makes it (seem) more valuable. But that only works if you're desirable in the first place. If women don't want to be around you be default, then that doesn't really work.
In any case it's a cheap gimmick that will wear off immediately after having sex. This goes for both men and women.

>>33437358
>why do chads say to ignore women
She has to "work" for their attention
Have some related copypasta:

I wrote some advice a long while back for a guy who had continually failed as a supportive guy and asked if he should act like the jerks he saw getting laid:

NO.
Those guys are acting the way they act.
You would be acting like how you perceive those guys act to the best of your ability to act like someone who you are not, in a specific manner, while simultaneously trying to get to know a girl and respond with natural attraction.
Do you see the difference?

Putting on an act and pretending to be someone else is a bad idea.
The problem, I guess, is the supportiveness. Withhold your supportive nature until she is hooked. Don't tell her about you being supportive of other womeneither. (Being supportive of weaker beings that aren't her peers is actually a really good thing)
If she sees you will support anyone, she isn't special. If a person doesn't need to work for the reward (your support) it *feels* less valuable. That's a human nature thing and partly why hazing is done. You want her to feel like *she* can get your attention and support, if she puts in a little effort.

You want to fuck her.
That isn't a question. You may be perfectly willing to match her enthusiasm and pace but you are always pushing the edge for a little more because you want to fuck her.
You can be polite, kind, and gentle, but as you politely sit next to her as she tells you about her family you want to fuck her.
You always want to fuck her.
When you kiss her, you want to keep on kissing her. You want to fuck her at the end of the first date. You want to fuck her at the *beginning* of the first date.
You don't try to, because you respect her. But you push for it.
You push closer. You touch her. You inch closer to her mouth. You can't fuck her right then, but you want to fuck her.

Waiting until she greenlights you to show her how much you desire her is backwards.
Hungry men get fed.

>>33436944
>>33436887
Why do you care if someone is a "bonafide player" or not?

I specifically avoided one night stands and hook ups because I didn't want them. To the point of turning down likely orgies/ group sex a couple times.

By your definition, I am not a player. Big fucking deal.
I'm sorry you feel that any and all access to vagina must be pursued

I hope anons are shitposting cause some of these posts are retarded.

>me and girl went on 3 dates
>first one we were making out sloppy style, second one she was grinding on my cock but nothing happened on the third date
>what do i do?

>>33437474
I'm assuming you want to have sex? So why didn't you do anything?

>>33431991
Tough luck brochaco. Vote for Donald Trump next time

>>33437447
Literally the gayest post I have seen.

You need to employ some push and some pull to be interesting. What are describing is only pull. And that is bad game and it only works on girls who are already very attracted to you. Yes girls

>>33437153
Nta but the way you guys are oddly defensive of this “game” stuff makes me more inclined to think you’re lying

>>33437541
I’m not a pedo so no thanks.

how do i get less anxious, and more confident with approaching women? it seems as though each time i go to approach a woman, i psych myself out and get too nervous to approach

>>33438010
>how do i get less anxious, and more confident with approaching women?
mix bleach with amonia

>>33437872
Just because you don't understand something, that doesn't mean that it is gay.

>You need to employ some push and some pull to be interesting. What are describing is only pull. And that is bad game and it only works on girls who are already very attracted to you.
Yes. I'm describing pull. Because it's advice primarily for guys who start "pushing" for a girl for her just showing up. It happens a lot.
The idea isn't "don't push". The idea is that she needs to "earn" your affection or attention. If she shows up and you give away your affection and attention like it's a free coupon on discount pizza, she's going to perceive it as low value because you're treating it as low value. Literally *any* woman could just show up. So she's not special. You don't want *her*. You're desperate. Because you're low value.

But if you wait to give her attention and affection until she "earns" it, by dressing nice, acting kind, giving you a cookie, or whatever the fuck else? Then she's earned.

Think about total assholes who treat everyone like shit but their gf says "you don't know what he's like when we're alone" or whatever. She feels like the special woman who has earned the rare prize of him acting halfway decent to someone.
Now think about the guy who is super nice to everyone no matter what and treats every woman like she's beautiful.
Think about it.

Where do you guys meet women? Pls no apps

Most of the time, is it worth the effort to pursue any girls that are taller than you?

>>33438355
Festivals

Help, I have the base stats I’m pretty sure, I’m at least an 7, I get routinely flirted with or approached like every other day at my job (Disneyland security officer) but I have no idea how to flirt back or escalate it into a date. Don’t want to come across as creepy and potentially get fired…

>>33426918
I’m gonna be 31 and plan on swiping 18-25 year olds exclusively so this gives me hope

Where are the girls who just want to fuck around?
Everyone wants to get too serious too soon, like chill...

>>33439382
Be 10 years older than her and a badass and you'll find her. Dating can be stupid okay. In many ways I find it better to just relax and enjoy life than focus on these dumb things. Just be glad you don't have to deal with more stress on your plate than now.

Final redpill is that a big dick is all you need. If you have a huge cock, you will make it to the "girl's group chat" and they will talk about you and all the girls, even ones with boyfriends, will share you with each other.

Shit's fucked.

>>33439368
>swiping 18-25 year olds
I can't believe you losers still use these jewish apps. You're shooting yourselves in the foot with this shit, inflating these hoes heads. A 7/10 guy is gonna get a 5/10 foid at best. IRL you can get a 8/10 if you are lucky. Has happened to me.
>>33439382
>Where are the girls who just want to fuck around?
clubs and escort websites.
>Everyone wants to get too serious too soon, like chill...
I get the opposite, just a bunch of whores who want to make me waste time. This chick with acne was dropping hints, and then mentioned she doesn't want children. Lmao, bye bitch. Mental illness.

>>33431991
>summer camp ain't it chief
not my problem, just get out there. I'm doing this summer camp thing through voluntary work NGO, where I've also met girls.

But I was also talking about lifting, looksmaxxing, dressing well, learning how to have conversations and so forth. I'm much less retarded now.

>>33439469
I wish I could just be a woman for a few days to see if this is actually true or not.. like do they really all worship big dickss.. if so, fuck it, just LDAR for the rest of my life

No point even having kids or trying if eventually the children will suffer because they are not big..

May as well just have all guys below 8" stop breeding so all that's left is huge dicks then all women get what they truly wanted..fucking whores.

I JUST WANT A FUCKING HUG YOU STUPID WHORES

Help.
I just got dumped by a literal actual 10/10. I could show a picture of her to anyone and they'd say she's a model. I have, actually. She was very kind and sweet and caring to me, cooked my meals, all that. The situation we found each other was very irregular. She was solo traveling, I was just recovering from homelessness. We had the craziest conversation about conspiracy theories and then we went out to "go for a drink" and just ended up making out at a park then going back to the hostel showers and fucking.
She changed her solo travel plans for me 3 times throughout her trip, even choosing to stay with me for almost a whole month when she had this other cool trip planned.

Needless to say, I thought I had it in the bag, but the issue with where we would continue our relationship came up. My country or her country? She said she'd never come back to my country for many years, said I could come and visit her. I Of course I wanted to, but I went a little ahead and said something like why dont I find a job and live there? Since I've been living nomadically lately.
She was shocked at this, and ever since then she told me that she isn't ready for the relationship I wanted, despite still spending time with me over 4-5 months, expressing her love for me, telling her friends back home about her new boyfriend. A week after she left, she called to dump me saying she wants to focus on college.

Leading up to this point, I became more and more insecure, I went from alpha to beta very quick because I felt like she was pulling away.

What I should have done in hindsight was let her go, say I'd come and visit for a short time and that's it. Not worried about the past. She was just so beautiful all I could think about was marrying her and filling her with babies. That had never happened in my life. I dated 5-7's usually. Fuck me I guess.

Has this happened to anyone? HAHA YEAH RIGHT

>>33439469
This. You would have an easier time getting a woman confessing to being a serial killer than admitting she likes anything remotely sexually adventurous out of fear of being slut shamed though, so you won't ever hear a woman say it, but they love it. They just don't want to skyrocket big dick guys' egos higher than they are already are and give them leverage and shoot down smaller ones in case they need to settle (later). And they do settle, if she says your penis is "fine" or "perfect" or even "big" but said either non-enthusiastically or by faking enthusiasm, then that's usually a dead giveaway.
>inb4 incel talking points
maybe, but that doesn't make it not true. I'm not mad at them, I would probably do the same thing if I was a woman, I'd have no incentive to be honest about it when all I'm going to get is a bunch of dicklets screaming at me. So might as well moralfag.

>>33439997
Your post is an example of why all the PUA shit matters to some extent. You spilled your purse at her and lost frame for however long it took for you to get that message across to her and she immediately did a 180.
Apart from maybe just wanting a fling and you immediately dumping a metric fuckload of pressure on her by MOVING near where she lives, in essence trapping her into a relationship with you out of moral obligation, from her perspective, your entire life up to the point of meeting her is worth so little that you'd throw it away in an instant, the minute some hot chick rolls around. Be honest, do you think women would date someone with so little foundation?

This summer was shit. Wasn't feeling great, had problems. Only managed to do 4 approaches this summer vacation. Got one date, but was rejected. Really only got one more chance, a girl who sat close to me and clearly wanted me to talk to her, but I chickened out. Today is the last day of my vacation. I was hoping to spend some time with a girl, but no, yet another summer it didn't happen. Last summer I got some makeouts but haven't had sex since 2023 and haven't had a good date since 2022. I'm going to try a new strategy though which is to make the instant date shorter and not try to escalate, and instead take her number and set up a second date. I will try to get some more approaches in during August, when I have days off work. I feel like there were fewer good approach opportunities this year compared to last year.

>>33440127
Girl yesterday was staring me in the eyes when I was walking up some stairs from a subway station, and she was walking down, entering the subway station. Maybe I should have turned around, walked after her fast, and talked to her.

>>33440016
Pretty sure this is real..

IF you're small its just over.. you were not meant for the modern world where women have sexual freedom.

SMall dicks are being genocided actively...

FUCK man i just want cuddles and a fucking hug but nah, dick too small.. i wish i would just die of a heart attack randomly.

>>33440016
>muh big dick

This is unironically a jewish psyop that girls get curious about but they don't actually want it.

>>33440156
What's the goal of the psyop then? if they try and find out they don't like it wouldn't it be counterproductive?

>>33440156
>girls get curious about
That's all it takes though?
Or are you telling you should accept that your gf was part of a girl harem of some big dick dude because they were all "curious" and were sharing and having constant threesomes and foursomes where each one gave him a rusty trombone?

>>33440096
What's crazy is that as soon as I got her in bed, I made sure not to really text her. She left me a note and even intiated seeing each other first.
She showered me in amazing compliments, telling me im like a rock star, saying I must have fucked tons of girls, complimenting my muscles. I had never been loved like that before. We had some cultural differences, and an age difference. She was 20, I'm 34.

I literally started to read PUA shit/manosphere shit so I wouldn't lose my cool, because I KNEW I would, and I FUCKING DID ANYWAY!
Even now I look back and wonder what kind of spell I was under to act so gay and desperate.

I guess my rationale to her about moving to her country was that I was already looking for work there, which is true, and my business partner and I were looking at moving operations there. But, all in all, fling, real love, whatever. I fucked up and I regret it so fucking bad. I could see her fall out of love with me in real time. I even asked her at one point if my desire to move to her would make ehr break up with me and she said yeah HAHAHAHA. But then she treated me amazing and even left a great love note to me saying she wants to make more memories together before she left so I dont fucking know.


I let her know about ALL my insecurities about her during the break up call. She had always complimented my calm demeanor, maturity, but I broke down. I said everything you should never say to a woman based on what I had been reading.

What I learned is that a truly good pussy can break you.

I want to message her and tell her how I was lost at the time and that I want to fix things, because she expressed how much she loved me during the breakup call but that I was putting too much pressure on her, but my freak out was bad. She thought I called her a whore because I told her she didn't just want a relationship but she didn't want a relationship with me and that she'll just date other guys in college like anyone else.

>>33440216
I was actually going to go to a country near her for a conference and said I'd stop by.

What if I still do it? It's in 3 months. Do you think I could go there and text "hey" after 4 months of no contact and get a reply? Am I pure shit now? I dont know. The last text she sent me said "I dont want to talk anymore"

>>33439894
Vast majority of women genuinely aren’t driven by a lot of huge dicks that much they are much more concerned with you having a “ not small” dick. I have seen some group chats and typically yeah like in a group of 4 girls they will talk about everything and there will be 1 slut who talks about dick sizes but it’s not the lustful conversation of a group of gay men talking about big dicks it’s a very “tehee” energy and also laughing about “look how much of a slut Becky is she knows about guys dicks”.

>>33440165
Same reason that they push BLACKED propaganda even though nobody actually likes it.

>>33440175
I don't accept shit because I don't look for size queens, you limp-wristed Mossad shill. Go back to getting your HQ buttfucked by Iranian missiles.

>>33440216
Maybe I'm a sociopath or something but I genuinely don't get the desire to be constantly near a girl no matter how hot she is after I've busted a nut. I still remember the super hot volleyball player I dated while living in a big city and the fact that we probably only met up maybe twice a week to have sex, cuddle and hang out and even then I would be putting on a polite face while counting down the seconds until she left so I could play Mass Effect in peace.

>We had some cultural differences

What, she was European and you're a shitskin?

>She was 20, I'm 34.

No shit, she just wanted to slut around while she's young. Rule numero fucking uno for older guys getting together with younger girls, keep it casual. Don't date them seriously, it basically never fucking works. She thought you could be a cool, hot older guy that she could be friends with benefits with and then you decided to go all in and alarm bells started going off in her head that you wanted something more concrete that could potentially even lead to marriage.

>>33440232
>The last text she sent me said "I dont want to talk anymore"
jfc man, snap out of it, it's over. You got pussy whipped and that's that.
Only way is forward.

>>33440387
You're right but holy shit you do not see girls like this every day. Was I lovebombed maybe? She was rich, popular.. I'm just a wanderer
She was trying to plan and talk the future out with me, but I knew I went to far and overcorrected and could barely talk my mind with her after a certain point. She was stress and shit testing me to a high degree near the end.
>>33440294
Yeah she was french, I'm American, but we met in a country foreign to us.
Crazy thing is I had a relationship with a girl I met at 18, I got her right before college. Maybe an 8, she was begging for me to marry her. College sucks.

Just got the number of another french girl, maybe a 7, we have a nightwalk tomorrow... Ugh

>>33439469
yeah that's bs. Big cock is nice to have, but unlike nice tits or ass, girls can't see it before hand, so you actually need more than a nice cock to get with a girl.

>>33440156
>muh big dick
>jewish psyop
you're nuts if you think any girl doesn't view a huge veiny cock as a plus. I'm 7' uncut, and I've really never had a girl bounce after dicking them down. and like >>33440016 mentioned , they've enthusiastically that my cock was big with a face of awe.
It's just like tits. I love huge tits, but I'm not going to not fuck a girl because her tits are just C's and not J cups.

Where can I find a cute furry girlfriend?

Is this thread any good for me if Im autsitic and girls can tell?

I seem unable to stop doing this after years of trying.

>>33439827
>Losers
I’m closer to a 8-9/10 guy I just have anxiety and hate drinking/bars, and I’ll be living in another state soon. There’s nothing wrong with these apps if you’re attractive. Definitely not a loser…

>cute, slightly awkward girl at work obviously made an excuse to make friendly small talk to me
>pretty sure I've seen her checking me out
>pretty sure she's seen me checking her out

I'm interested but I'm too autistic to know where to go from here. Help me out bros

>>33441349
>I have anxiety
>I hate the literal gift from god which cures my anxiety

You need to explain this in more detail. Your reason better be that alcoholism runs in your family. I can respect staying away if thats the case. But otherwise I would be inclined to assume that you are a massive pussy who cant drive three beers into himself and feel the absolute power of being unburdened by your anxiety.

>>33426133
Loving yourself first.

What's actually the point if you don't have a big dick.

>>33441975
>talk to her again
>Give her a not-creepy compliment and actually mean it. Something about something she made a choice about like her outfit or the way she wears her hair tend to land best
>if she responds positively ask if she wants to go do something with you
>if she says no or hems and haws oh well, you shot your shot
>if she says yes you got a date

That simple. Just don't psych yourself out and you'll be fine.

>>33442170
Neat, I thought this bot only posted on /pol/

I literally didn't do anything.
I messaged her on hinge like everyone else, she was initially extremely slow to respond, but in under a month this is what it's looking like....and we haven't even met in person yet.
she was living in another city but is moving back to mine (to her parents) in a week, so we're gonna start meeting then, but other than that it's just been text and facetime.
i don't know what i said or how i said it, but the last 2 weeks she changed the dynamic from my pursuing her to her pursuing me like a fiend...like she wants it clear that she wants me so i stop considering anyone else.
she has a strong motherly instinct, so i must be turning her ovaries into hot soup or something but this is insane.
what's more is that she's a qt that dresses really well (pretty dresses and the like) and earns more than me (comes from a rich family). i am not that either chad bros, pretty mid looks wise, though I guess do possess boyish charm and i present well socially.
i'm stunned but i'll take it. just when i was getting sick to death of playing these dating games...

I know there are femanons who lurk here and giggle

This is a dumb question but I wanna start going to bars to meet women but I live in a mostly gay area with a lot of gay bars.
Would it be difficult to find straight women in those places?

>>33442606
Depends. How do you feel about women (male)?

>>33442630
I’d kill myself

Too edgy?

>>33442702
do you know each other's political leanings?

>>33442730
I'm conservative (unpublished but religion is Christian and visible), hers is unpublished but she works in TV so probably a media liberal

From all this self improvement stuff I've been doing and the information I've been seeing to get to know women better, it seems to be that go to activities and social events I am actually interested in and then, meet people, not just women, to get to know them and express who I am in these activities that I like? So in my case, going out to rock climbing social events, book clubs, volunteering, etc.? Then just realizing that who I am isn't for everyone, but still showing off that in a non-autistic way for the ones who will actually appreciate it and be into it?

>>33442787
Yes. You literally just described what I've been doing any my realizations since March 21st when I started doing exactly that. For me it's hiking in nature, D&D, board games, and social meetups such as dinner with strangers / meaningful conversations evening / picnics / bar meetups.

Since you seem to be on the same exact path I'm in, I'm gonna share with you what I am thinking of next -
So basically all of my events are a bit far away, like 20-30 minutes away by train. A lot of my events are something non committal, it's either a one time thing, or a monthly/weekly reoccurring thing that doesn't carry much consistency.

I really think that consistency is important, and that's my next step. To get into a hobby or multiple that is actually about an end goal we're all working towards.

Currently I do D&D every week, and my hiking group is on pause for the summer though I used to go with them every single weekend.
Now I got accepted into a student choir, starting August 28th, these are 90% women, and I want to start bachata classes (Latin dance with women). This way I'm in women spaces, doing something expressive that I love. Singing is one of those things. Dancing I don't care for too much BUT I'm terrified of it, so I need it. Share your journey too brother!

>>33442821
Good to hear from someone else on a similar journey. I'll keep it short, I realized that a whole lot of things I have been doing throughout the year have been me trying to run away from the fact that I want a girlfriend, but I have gradually become more comfortable with who I am, and realizing that I like people. So, I'm trying to actually get involved with hobbies that I enjoy for the sake of getting to know people in general, as opposed to trying to just get women. I enjoy TTRPGs, Board Games, Book Clubs, Athletic things in general, volunteering, all the activities I said. Like you, I think that consistency is important, and I think dancing is a great idea! I used to go swing dancing and there were a ton of women that went. I haven't been in a while because I ruined it with a woman there, so I'm embarrassed to go back, but it is a nice place to meet people in general and socialize.

>>33440977
Samefagging, we all know.

>>33442855
>realizing that I like people.
Such an important line brother. Exactly the same for me. I just love people, and I love being outside. And social proofing is so real. Every time I got too excited to talk to ladies or had too many expectations I got disappointed. But when I gave that lame-looking group of guys a chance, we started off by talking about our work and stuff, and I showed interest, soon enough they light up, I notice they are a nice bunch of guys, and usually other people including ladies notice and they come anyway. And even when they don't - I had fun talking to that group of guys. I had fun.

The way you're typing shows me you've done exactly what I've been doing and I'm so happy to hear from someone who's going through the same thing I am. Your interests all sound awesome, I've been wanting to go bouldering for weeks, everyone I know tells me how good it is.

And thanks for the confirmation about dancing! I'll give it a shot. I really want to do D&D on Fridays, Choir on Thursdays, HEMA on Wednesdays (swordfighting, started embracing my true inner nerd), - all of these activities are already happening except for choir that only starts August 28th. Then I want dancing + martial art class in two other days of the week. That's 5 days of activities, then weekend for the variables.

Thanks for sharing brother and if you wanna share or ask anything else feel free to! Otherwise best of luck to you and nice to meet you!

>>33442041
I have a hernia that causes reflux, alchohol fucks my shit up. Is that a good enough answer?

>>33442606
>Would it be difficult to find straight women in those places?
Yes.
Not impossible, but difficult.

>>33442930
Thanks for sharing as well! Honestly, HEMA sounds awesome, I wasn't aware that sword fighting was still a thing that people did, so just looking it up sounds cool! It sounds like you have a plan, all we can do is live up to it. I hope you find what you're looking for, and even if I never see you again because we're anons and I'm going to sleep, just know there's one guy out there rooting for you. Best of luck out there man!

I had a pretty nice casual thing going with this girl. The sex was good, the chemistry was great. She was always first to initiate communication or demand my attention.

Somehow, I wound up getting needy and pushing her away. The more closed off she became, the needier I acted, until I eventually crashed out in a bad way.

We haven't fucked or hung out since April. She'll still hit me up at odd hours of the night, and if I reach out she's generally receptive. But it's not like it was. I feel like I'm being held at arm's length during our interactions. And when I see her in person, there's this tightness in my chest and things feel kinda awkward.

I'd love to reattract her and resume what we had. Is that even possible?

>>33442976
Much appreciated man!! Thanks for sharing as well, you're a really positive dude and I can tell you're on the right track, both of us are. Yes I've only gone twice to trial lessons and now I have to sign up! I live in the Netherlands alone btw, gf of 5 years cheated on me a year ago so I ended it and that's what prompted me to start all of this. Just thought I'd let you know so you know who you were chatting with haha.

And as you said we're anons and I'm also going to sleep it's 5AM here, you can also rest assured I'm rooting for you as well and you seem like a healthy, positive mindset and friendly nice guy. I hope when you find her she gives you a lot of love that you deserve, and that she stays. I hope that for the both of us. Good luck bro and sleep well!!

>>33443004
once the frame is lost its very difficult to get it back. You basically are going to need to "friend zone" her and introduce a jealousy plot line and get a more physically attractive girl than her or some other Machiavellian scheming.

>>33442966
yeah I guess but you should probably go out and just get your hands on some benzos

>>33443009
If I were able to pull a hotter girl, I don't think I'd be bothering with this one anymore. I'm all for scheming, though. But I sadly lack imagination in this regard.

I guess just straight up asking her if she wants to fuck around is a terrible idea?

>start working out and getting in shape
>attracting young hot girls who just want to have casual sex

Don't get me wrong, it's awesome after spending 30+ years as a wizard but it just confuses me because I don't look anything like a typical fuckboi. Wear glasses, average height, dress in fairly modest clothes and not in edgy T-shirts with gold chains and rings and my personality is mostly talking about nerdy topics though I do enjoy some sports as well. I have been told I'm fairly strong at the gym a few times but I don't get what makes these girls latch onto me thinking I'd be a great guy to have sexy fun times on the side with. They also aren't mostly the tattooed party slut type either which is confusing.

>>33443097
I get these too and I find it repulsive even if I do enjoy the attention on some level. What kind of ass backwards universe is this where I as a guy have to filter sluts to find someone looking for a serious relationship?

>>33443129
I don't find it a problem, I get everyone from literal virgins to shy low body count girls to outgoing horny nymphos. I'm fine with sowing my wild oats for now.

>>33443147
It's bad that things have devolved to this level. I don't understand how you can even enjoy it, I tried it with one of them once and I felt depressed for almost two weeks afterwards it was so soulless and sleazy. She tried hitting me up again and I just ignored her. At least stick to the ones who are already irredeemable whores.

>>33443176
I dunno man, maybe you just have low testosterone or something. I'm of the opinion that it's not normal for men to get depressed over not finding "the one" instead of saying "hell yeah" at free sex with hot girls and then going off to do their own thing after getting the horny out of your system.

Anyway my original comment was more confusion as to how I'm somehow signaling "get your ONS/FWB fix here" to women when I look like a somewhat more jacked version of your stereotypical 90s nerd.

I know dating apps are panned here, but I have limited options. What apps would you recommend I try, and what do you recommend for profile features?

>>33443228
I think it's a natural reaction, just one we shouldn't listen to even though it's not easy. It's not like I've perfectly followed my own ideals, but there's good reason that was the norm for thousands of years.

I realized writing a longer post that this probably isn't the place to talk about the virtues of chastity though, so I'll just leave it here. Reply again or don't.

>>33443097
How long did it take you to go from the fatass/lanklet that you were to visibly strong & fit?

>>33443285
NTA but there’s really nothing wrong with talking to several women inherently if it’s all consensual. Women have needs too. And besides if you REALLY find someone you like and they like you you can settle down.You shouldn’t be cripplingly depressed after having sex though.

This girl has been giving me the runaround, pulling away, acting distant. It's got me fucked up, because we were supposed to take a trip to meet her parents.

I want to give her an ultimatum. I know it won't go in my favor, but I want the closure of her telling me, "Yes, this is over."

Is this a bad idea?

So I've been talking to this girl and I asked her if she wanted to go out this weekend a few days ago and she said she's available saturday morning. I had planned on going fishing saturday although, I could delay that by a couple hours. Do I tell her that next saturday would be better or do I see her this weekend?

>>33443503
Just go fishing later.

>mentally ill 5'5 34 year old virgin with 0 dating experience
Is it over? I think nature is making it so my terrible genes don't spread

>>33443479
She's shit testing you and you're about to act like a bitch. Go break up with her if you dont want to deal with it otherwise just ignore her and act indifferent she will come crawling back.

>>33443366
Under 3 months to lose 45 lbs and another 10 to get to the fitness point I'm at now. And I'm not shredded, at most I look like how fit men used to look like back in the 1950s and 1960s. Which serves me fine but it had the bonus effect that women are weirdly turned on by it more than by the ripped roid monkey look.

>>33443826
Nice. I started calisthenics from "average to slightly below average" fitness about 2 months ago. Regular thin build with maybe 16-18% body fat. I definitely fill my shirts up more now. But like anything else it's a process. One of the best pieces of advice I ever took was trust the process.
I've gone from 3x5 bodyweight dips to 3x8 bodyweight dips with 30 lbs. Similarly with push-ups. For pull-ups I struggled to do more than 2 when I first started. Right now I'm at 5 and hope to be at 8 by the end of the month.
I've grown to really enjoy those full strength exertions.
Here's to having that "lean muscular fit build" in a few months.

Vacation is over. I only managed to do 4 approaches in 4-5 weeks of vacation. Don't know why. I'm fucking angry about that. I felt like there weren't as many good approach opportunities as other years. Most years I approached like 50 girls or something during my vacation.

>>33443883

you wouldn't have to even approach if you worked out and didn't skip genetics day

>>33443688
>5'5
just go ER

>>33443883
Did you ever get laid from approaching girls?

>>33443479
Son, you will have my time

You are overdosing on theory, you are in your head and that is why you are suffering

>This girl has been giving me the runaround
This child is playing games with me. This horse is tricking me with its strategies. Its a woman, she acts on her emotions. Like weather, like nature. Its not a conscious choice. You are not playing chess

>pulling away, acting distant
She is not pulling away and she is not acting. By the things you say, actions you take and how your body speak you convinced her out of attraction. She is not acting, she is very honest in her signals. She just doesnt like you anymore

>It's got me fucked up
And here is a reason, she is dating another woman — you

>we were supposed to take a trip to meet her parent
Thats a huge pressure for a woman and not only you are talking her out of desire, you are also pushing her away actively with your emotional disregulation

>I want to give her an ultimatum
Lets turn roles. Pretend you are dating a woman who is like yourself. At the beggining you like her enough to be romantic. Then slowly she makes you dislike her and now you are like eh, I am not feeling it. She wants to see you parent like you are married or something, now its unfun, heavy, too much. There are so much better girl around, and this one is tunnel visioning in her traumas. And the she gives you an ultimatum, right when you are not even feeling it anymore. You reaction will be — wow, what a creep, glad I dodged this bullet, wow. Hope she is not a stalker

>but I want the closure
No, you have hope. You are playing strategies and being dramatic. Thats why she doesnt like you, you are feminine

>Is this a bad idea?
Yes. She is your mother. You are chasing her to make a decision, you are pushing for commitment when she is leaving
You sexual polarity is reversed

You will never have a happy relationship with a woman unless you learn your role and embody it

>>33444050
yes

The only time I've ever received any sign of interest from a girl was when an attractive blond girl in high school decided to sit next to me in class and tease me. I don't know if she wanted to do this to humiliate me or actually liked me but whatever.
My boner got immediately rock hard and I started leaking precum like crazy. I have no idea how I would last during actual sex if that was enough to make me lose it
>t. 26 year old virgin

>>33444101
That's crazy I have the opposite problem I have trouble cumming from sex and I think it's because I am too used too the stimulation of jerking off for 27 years.

>>33444023
ER?

Why do women lie about this?

>>33444403
I’m a dude, and you’re extremely delusional if you think the guy on the right is more appealing to the vast majority of women.

The guy on the left is already in decent shape, clearly works out, and most women would vastly prefer that over the hyper-lean, unsustainable physique on the right. No one wants a guy who can’t go out to eat, and is constantly pestering her about the food she has in the house. Plus, it’s intimidating and just comes off as vain.

I swear, you’ve gotta be autistic not to instantly understand this..

>>33441975
>awkward girl made an excuse to make small talk
>where to go from here
you are beyond help. kys. i'm not joking either. You are too socially retarded if the pussy is coming to you.

>>33441349
>8-9/10 guy
> have anxiety
you're not a 8/10 guy, that's Chad territory you fucking retard.
You are most likely a sub-6 insecure guy, like most of us.
Chad's don't have anxiety.

>>33444403
they are not. much like in women, a healthy amount of BF% is attractive for biological reasons, they are literal storages of energy. A super lean guy just communicates to women he spends too much time at the gym/in front of the mirror, which is very gay.

>>33444434
You are obviously correct and I find it baffling how all of /fit/ is so obsessed with becoming extremely lean. You basically have to roid to even look jacked in a t shirt while being 10% body fat. Also the fatties will be like >I’m 300 pounds and my goal is 160. Bro lmao you are going to look like absolute shit at 160. Get down to 215 and get strong as a bull.

>>33444403
it’s not a lie. i prefer the left, more cushion for the pushin. i want something to hold onto when i big spoon somebody at night.

>this anonymous poll is invalid because it doesn't confirm my bias
>the okcupid anonymous data analysis, however, is empirical and proves that i'll be forever alone
make up you fucking mind. how can women lie 50% of the time, all the time?
just accept the fact that women are both intimidated and make (homo)sexual assumptions about ultralean men because it's pure vanity and means you're either gay, an exconvict, or a failing bodybuilder because she's never heard of you

>>33444829
>the okcupid anonymous data analysis
That one?

>>33444829
Black pill faggots are retarded but it is true that observing what women actually do is a million times better data than asking them what they WOULD do. Women lie and cannot take hypotheticals seriously

I want to watch all the old RSD shit from YouTube. How the fuck can it just be gone. Someone must have it

>>33444628
>I’m not attractive so NO ONE ELSE HERE IS
Omega cope. Johnny Depp has social anxiety you fucking moron, and I’m roughly around his attactriveness when he was young. Sometimes too much attention causes the opposite effect when you’re quiet and just want to be left alone.

>>33442200
>>33444628
Between these two who gave better advice to >>33441975?

alright boys I am going out in an hour or two for karaoke night by myself. Give me any advice or quick tips. I will not be singing. I want to fuck a hot girl but making male friends is also high priority

>>33445330
Why anon? You should sing, maybe a foid would join you.

>>33445350
eh maybe I will sing if I can decide on a song and get drunk

>>33445237
Definitely not the incel telling people to kill themselves on an advice thread

>>33444051
>>33443791
It seems like my path is clear and I should just not react.

I'd just like to clarify one thing - it was her idea to visit her mom, not mine. I didn't want to per se, but I liked that she wanted me to. If that makes sense.

How do I convince myself I can be happy with a bbw girlfriend? She treats me so well but sometimes I feel embarrassed by her. How do I become normal?

>>33445645
Suggest you start exercising together maybe?

Im at the 2 beer decision point. To just chill for a bit and drive home or to get drunk and see what happens. My vibe is terrible today. I haven’t even spoken to anyone. But I could turn it around if I stay. I don’t know what to do

>>33445645
>>33445646 this
It's a 1000% easier to do an activity with other people, especially a loved one.
Encourage her to work out, and cheer her on the whole time, make her feel like the best person in the world for doing a pushup.
Getting into a workout routine is addicting in the first place, getting validation for it only enforces that.
If she's 100% reluctant to the idea, then either break up or consign yourself to a slampig relationship

Defeated by life, that's what I am
It's something more than just being the loser,
It's looking more at your target, at life
Through a bulletproof glass
Your efforts to break it are all vain
And forever will be.

Hitting your enemy so hard, until your fist bleed
But nothing will change

As soon as you entered the competition,
You already knew that everything is worthless
All your strength and efforts thrown away
While a bitter laugh is echoing in your head.
And there is nothing you could do to stop it
And this is the supposed great circle of life?
I think not!

Motionless, hopeless
Apathy is your god now
Sometimes you love and praise it
Sometimes you're afraid of it

But when daylight is reaching you tired body
Again
Ghosts disappear, just for a second
You're feeling competitive and full of strenght
While your blind eyes are ready to observe another defeat
Once again.

>>33446115
If you're going to do poetry at last TRY to rhyme
I wouldn't fuck you either

>>33430626
probably, and not just for her but for most women. that being said anon the post is clearly ragebait. i honestly don't know how people are still falling for these types of posts in 2025, it's baffling.

>>33446147
Mundane people passing by
Painted in blood
I see the sky
From horizon's gloom
The impending doom

An eerie scream's scattered across
Dissolving into chaos.
I felt the agony rise up in me
Keeping my existence loyal company

I was bemused and closed my ears
Trying to escape from my fears
But the unending scream
Just kept getting more extreme

The black shadow
That I well know
Has captivated the hole
Belonging once to my soul

My whole body is now racking
The pain of nature in my blood is running
I wonder is our suffering
The destination of being?

Struggling to understand
Is death the great end?
Is he the great relief
From this uneartly grief?

Nostalgic for what's now long gone
Ignorant of the coming dawn
I know that I am now dead
My disease I comprehend

Under a veil of darkness
Appearing to be harmless
When there is only the moonlight
The scream I hear every night

The scream in all its glory
Of my eldritch worry
The scream that in every instance
Is the fey angst of my existence.

>>33446115
Not me. I’m Sophia’s chosen son. I am the one destined to pierce the veil and consume the monad.

>>33446160
Better, at least

The difference between me being pathetic and having unlimited power is literally 4 beers

I want to get laid.

Chicks don't value sex the way men do.

The more I try to get laid, the less likely chicks are to give me sex.

Yet if I act indifferent and unbothered, I guarantee my celibacy.

What must I do?

>>33444434
>>33444628
>>33444639
I don't fucking TRUST you! These were lies when you first wrote them! I'm won't get tricked that easily. Like we know they are lies, we are just trying to find out the reason for the lying. That's what I'm talking about. That's what this right here is.

GymBros get pussy delivered to them on a conveyor belt so that's we know how this is not true!

>>33430264
sorry, some of us have standards and don't want to fuck a literal whale

>someone liked you on bumble!
>swipe through since this entire app is pointless anyway
>you missed a match!
>it was a woman built like a fridge and a bowling ball had a child together
wow, what a save

i also don't get it in general. i somehow had chicks talking to me, with one outright asking me to fuck her (which i turned her down because i was a moron) when i was a silent, autistic (actually fat) retard when i was in college a decade ago. now i'm more in shape than i have been in my entire life, lost a ton of weight, look good, make decent money, don't dress like a goober anymore and it makes zero difference, none of them give a shit. done with this shit. gonna go back to being a fucking hermit.

Do Filipina women age well? I'm thinking about dating one but I remember that someone told me they age horribly compared to other Asians

Recovering from a break-up 2 weeks ago. So far I went on 2 "dates". 1st was hot but kind of a gross feminazi. People kept looking at her, tall, blonde blue eyes, midriff showing. Just days after the breakup. I felt nothing. We stopped talking
Had another one yesterday, could have sworn she was interested. Not as hot as the last but seemed cool. Found out she had a bf after I tried to kiss, but I wasn't very passionate about trying. No more talky.

Today I got a number from a museum girl, someone who sits in an exhibit to watch people. I gave her 3 compliments accidentally. She was playing with her hair, eyes wide open staring into mine, she got up to walk and look around the exhibit with me, felt some electricity between us. When she got her phone she bent over right in front of me.
I was too nervous to think of a date so I just said we'd figure it out later, maybe too non chalant?
I don't have faith in numbers from workers/waitresses but this felt different.

Was it a good sign? I noticed only girls I'm very attracted to show me obvious signs of interest. Like they can tell through my eyes/vibe. Those other girls probably saw the trouble I was going through/slightly low attraction I had for them.

Is it worth having a public profile and real face pic on IG? I don't like/do dating apps, but I've had compliments on my pictures from strangers but they're always guys. I figure at least for more friends public is good, but who's actually gotten a girl on Ig besides famous people?

There's a lot of talk among 'dating coach' types about how dudes should be unbothered by rejection, never communicate their wants or needs, act indifferent towards female wishy washiness. "Chicks are like cats, they come and go. Learn to roll with the punches."

Wtf are dudes getting out of this arrangement? Some occasional pussy? It just sounds like an all around shit experience and bad deal.

>>33447446
Welcome to Clown World bro.

>>33447446
Honestly, women who require this level of strategy dont actually love you. No woman is worth watching videos on how to "get her"

We're born with all of the knowledge. If something in your gut tells you she's a slut... you'd better trust that.

>>33447212
Why do homosexuals treat /htgwg/ as a creative writing exercise? If you got a girls number with the intention of taking her on a date, then text her inviting her on a date.

> Know woman from work
> had chats with her, one fine day she looked at me, smiled and look away shyly
> me : ??? , continue talking to her and eventually we started walking back out of office together
> one day, asked to continue further. she told me she is not single all the time
> avoided me for 3months, during work. cold replies and everything. Did the same back sadly
> suddenly she starts to make quick glances , eye contact whenever possible
> said goodbye to me for some reason and i had to approach her for some work shit. she tried to say something and stopped.
> i proceed to continue the conversation for some small talk, eventually she said that i look like i needed someone to talk to but she didn't dare to approach
> fast forward, some conversations having small talk and slight teasing , she approached me and pass me some snack
> continue having small talk and teasing, more obvious eye contacts and staring from her
> Sometimes she will look away quickly when she got caught by me, coincidence or not, she always chose some seats facing me
> talking about some stuff and brought up exchanging numbers
> her reply : " by giving you my number i am not causing any misunderstanding right?"

From what I know, she is all business with everyone else. But she will joke around and open up when she talks to me, others can't seem to get information out from her. No idea why she decides to confide in me, but to be honest, she is the 1st person to make me feel something. I know for a fact, she does reread our conversations, she took my number from there and remember all the small things that were mentioned. I know I should move on, but inside i just want to continue until its really impossible.

she seems fine to go dinner 1 on 1 with me as well. I am really confused.

>>33447446
Oh, I have struggled with that many years ago. You will have my time

>It just sounds like an all around shit experience and bad deal
Thats because you see relationships as obligations. I give this, I expect this in return. That is a fucked up power balance and wrong polarity from the start, because it is based on you needing a woman. Its not about being an unfeeling psycho or pretending to be one

>dudes should be unbothered by rejection
No, wrong. Dudes should be bothered by rejection, but should control themselves like adults with testosterone and competency. Its not about pretending you are not hurt. It is about processing it fast, revealing it calmly and moving forward. Do you feel the difference? Good leader, the dad, is not hiding or running away. He says that he doesnt like it, but he will make himself happy anyway

>never communicate their wants or needs
Thats pickup strategies and doesn't work past 6-12 months. You should communicate your wants and needs, as invitation. Not as begging, pleading, guilting, or suppressing. As this: woman, this is what I like, this is what I am aiming for, I choose you to follow me in that or not, I will get it one way or another

>act indifferent towards female wishy washiness
>act
And here is the issues. Female wishy washiness should be met with your general life business. Oh woman you are being difficult? I love you, but that is not what I like, I am going to work now/socialize/have fun and see you when you are in your better mood. Unless there is a real issue, them speak up, I will lead you emotionally

You should switch from pickup advices to male leadership and sexual polarity advices. Less 'I will pretend to be an autist to trick hypergamy for few month' and more 'this is my life, this is where I am going, I choose you, do your best to keep up, woman'

Has anybody in this general ever actually managed to have sex

>>33448294
I did somehow manage to pull a 8/10 e girl baddie with dyed white hair by doing absolutely nothing except exist in the same room as her, but we were both drunk so take that with a grain of salt.

>>33448294
I've had sex with 2 women twice in the last week.

I don't really come to this general anymore though.
It helped a bit, but I didn't solely rely on this general.

I watch a lot of dating youtube channels and follow some guys on twitter and use this place kidna like the way you'd use a university class discussion board.

>>33426078 (OP)
okay, so I cold approached a cute girl yesterday and got added back on snap, literally what the fuck am I supposed to say other than some variation of "hi"? There was literally no other conversation outside of me calling her cute

>>33448294
I lost my virginity at 23 and now I can have sex as regularily as I want. I didn't use this general to achieve that though. Really the main thing thats changed between when I was a hopeless virgin and now, is my confidence has improved a lot.
3 main things boosted my confidence:
>LOOKSMAXING
Mainly getting /fit/ and dressing /fa/, but also skincare and haircare routine. This didn't help becuase lookism or the blackpill is particularily accurate, but becuase it boosted my self-esteem and confidence. But dressing more formally (good fitting button down shirt, chinos, and some smart loafers) does change the way women behave towards me vs wearing more casual clothes.
>LIFEMAXXING
or whatever is the correct term. I've been through a lot of challenges in life and I basically have lots of accomplishments to my name now and feel ok in my proffesional life. So I don't have a faux 'fake it till you make it' kind of confidence, its just backed up by my real life.
>LOSINGVIRGINITYMAXXING
I basically got lucky and lost my virginity by chance one day. That was another thing that boosted my confidence becuase the worry about the fact I'm a loser virgin was suddenly over.

Now I just come to here and reddit to get a sick kick out of other people's misery.

>>33448458
make your own version of picrel and send it to her to stress test how much of a weirdo she is

>>33447141
>done with this shit. gonna go back to being a fucking hermit.
kys, retard

I'm going to be honest lads. I've used generals like this and videos and all the resources. It matters to some extent, it's the small margins it adds. However, all of the rules you learn here and the tricks etc doesn't matter if she actually likes you. No matter what you say at that point your mostly golden.

Was with an American chick relatively recently, somehow got onto religion and school (stupid topic I know), she was talking about pledge of allegiance every morning and a minutes silence to pray to whatever god you wanted. I asked if the minutes silence each day was for the school shootings. Incredibly dumb thing to say and she's a very soft an good natured girl, genuinely just acted like I didn't even say it. I didn't realise it was this easy until you figure out some girls will just like you.

>>33448461
Height?

>>33444134
I'm the same bro, can't cum in a condom. I'm just not really feeling much, I can last a long time and I rarely even touch on needing to cum. Doing and STD test and gonna go raw with the chick I'm meeting though, so maybe it improves.

>>33447755
>Thats pickup strategies and doesn't work past 6-12 months. You should communicate your wants and needs, as invitation. Not as begging, pleading, guilting, or suppressing. As this: woman, this is what I like, this is what I am aiming for, I choose you to follow me in that or not, I will get it one way or another

So let's say I've been seeing this girl casually for over a year. Things are becoming more regular, trending in the direction of a committed relationship. We start celebrating holidays and birthdays together, etc. All the sudden, she goes cold and drops the line.

I give her space, I don't get dramatic. After a few months, I hit her up. She doesn't want to hang out. I point out it's been a long time, ask what's up. I get an obvious excuse. I know there's not another dude, because we run in the same circles and word travels fast.

Am I playing myself by hitting her up again and just expressing what I want from her? "Hey, I'm looking for x, y, z. Is that anything you're down for, or nah?" Something like that.

Just 3 minutes of reading posts in this thread has reminded me why I don't even bother dating.

>>33449020
It sucks. But then you're hit with the sudden intense memory of how she'd let you grab her ass, or the way she'd lean against you for a kiss, or the way she'd call you daddy while you dick her down. It's more potent than any drug.

>>33449020
It sucks. But then you're hit with a sudden intense memory of how she'd let you grab her ass, or the way she'd lean against you for a kiss, or her calling you daddy while you dick her down. It's more potent than any drug.

>>33448956
6'2, but that doesn't change anything about my situation. Confidence was literally the only difference in my case.

>>33449077
This isn't me. Kill yourself.

>>33448956
6'4, which is fairly average in my country albeit.

>>33442063
well shit
I don't go a day without wanting to kill my self

God damn zoomettes are insufferable holy shit.

>meet 6/10 zoomette
>tells me she is “pansexual”
>random meaningless tattoos all over her
>tells me like 5 different stories where the point of the story was that someone said something offensive to her
>if any other dude glances at her she tells me to watch out there is a creepy guy looking at her and be ready to protect her or some shit
>we play darts and she is short, asks me to grab her darts for her if they go high
>I grab her dart for her and she gets mad at me “at least let me try myself”
>also gets mad at me because I threw my darts when she was not yet standing behind me (lol)
>I stick to my PUA training and be non reactive to her trying to reprimand me and shit
>at the end of the night she wants to fuck
>I feel like it’s at least a 15% chance I’m accused of rape if I fuck her
>just go home and jerk off

>>33449289
>PUA mentioned
I will not read PUA LARP posts, they are gay, fake, and unsubstantiated

>>33448825
>kys, retard
nah, i have money to spend and friends to enjoy shooting with. women aren't fucking worth it.

>match with a girl on Bumble
>she messages me like 40 minutes before the match is supposed to expire
Wew lad

>>33449407
>match with a girl on Bumble
See you've already failed at step one.

>>33426078 (OP)
I'm 36. I have had had LOTS of opportunities with women, older and younger than me, but I'm a slow thinker and never had the balls to invite them over, or even to ask other guys for help, advice or anything. my material situation (living in a really shitty house) makes me feel insecure, but also does the inexperience and the fact that I feel useless in trying to seduce women. I just don't even know what seducing women means, how to talk to them to get them horny or whatever. things just happens (I'm tall and good looking), but I feel dumb as fuck. I even had my exgf criticize me for being "child-like".

I think I'm fucked because I'm not trusting but also, more importantly, too logical, while women follow their emotions and intuitions. in fact, I avoid letting my own control me unless I am comfortable with the other person, and since there are not any women in my very small circle of friends, I have no opportunities whatsoever. plus I WFH so none from my job either (unless I somehow managed to talk to women through chat or whatever, which is risky af because it could get me fired).

I don't think logic is "natural" (as in genetic or whatever) to my way of thinking, but most likely something I developed when I was a kid. my mom is a narcissist and she would always blame other people (including me) and punish me for whatever bullshit problem she had, including the very fact that she was poor and took a lot of stupid decisions or omissions in her life. this led to me having to develop a very "procedural" way of thinking and collecting evidence against her arguments to protect myself. having studied (and failed) engineering, been a NEET for 4 years and now having a job as programmer doesn't help me either.

I'm still paying the price for believing my moms bullshit and for trying to help her, which is why I also don't trust people much by default. I'm very transparent, but there are limits I won't let people go beyond.

what do?

>>33449289
>pansexual
>tattoos
>left wing
Prime ONS material. But you do you

I'm with a very sexual girl right now, and I really like it but how do 'slutify' her for my own use ?
I'm not looking to share her with other men, just looking to create a sexually obedient slut out of her.

She already tells me that she is mine and I can use her how I want, but words are not enough.

I've thought about setting up routines like for example every time we see each other she would grab my dick, or I could rub her pussy.

I've also thought of having her to thank me every time I cum on her (eg "thank you [anon], I wanted to swallow your cum" )

I figure the power of create a habit or routine might take some patient and work, but will yield good long term results.
I can't find anything good online, just comically bad blogs from andrew tate like men selling more garbage courses and books.

>>33449534
I'm jealous as fuck right now

Captcha: GMPYY
lmao

>>33449699
I am open to anyone's input, good ideas can come from many sources.

I'm not going to emotionally blackmail her, but I think I can gaslight her into positive results, not sure yet just how, but I will keep it as an idea for the future.

Repeat something often enough and it becomes their reality, my next step is to have her repeat to me in person some of the things she tells me in our chats. I think it is important she vocalizes the words, not just types them out especially if said directly to me.

anyhow, my journey with her is just starting, I am very excited if things keep going this way, maybe I can create some daddy/babygirl type relationship

>>33449411
Tldr

>>33445330
I want to know how it went anon.

Depending on the karaoke place you go to, some of them have a large open area that lets anyone come up and sing in front of a large crowd, not every place is just booths

where do i even start with finding a sexual partner? i am 21 years old and have never had sex or a girlfriend.

>>33450498
Start flirting with girls in your friend group. Or go to clubs if you just want to fuck sluts and maybe get an STD.

>>33450511
i think i will try going to clubs to fuck sluts. how does that work? have never been to a club before.

>>33450521
Never mind, don't bother.

>>33450527
why

Any advice on re-attracting a girl? We'd been casually involved for over a year. Nothing 'happened' in the sense that there was no cheating or betrayals of trust. Basically I wanted more than she did, which made me act insecure and needy, and we fought over how infrequently we saw each other, which only pushed her further away.

I see a lot about no contact, but that just sounds like giving up and moving on.

Then again, if I reach out to her, I'm just being needy and insecure again. I dunno what to do. My autistic brain keeps wanting to argue my way back into her pants. Lmao. But she's a chick, and I need to appeal to her on an emotional level. But how??

fuck it i will just go to southeast asia then. this is too hard.

>>33449965
k

I found a beautiful German girl on hinge and we went on two dates and she seems to like me, what are the odds this will turn into a relationship? The downsides are that she's in a sorority and she has tattoos

>avoided dating apps for 10 years due to low self-esteem
>decided to give it a shot today
>20 minutes later, date lined up for Monday
I am my own worst enemy

>>33450498
Get Tinder like everyone below 40

>>33451233
Don't get too excited anon, people on apps are notoriously flaky. Make sure to confirm on Monday. Hope it works out for you

>>33450498
Go to bars, especially if you can find an actual event where people are much more likely to mingle. Learn how to dress properly if you don't already know how, and I don't mean overdress, I mean wear smart casual clothes that fit you

What are you guys' experiences with BPD girls or other crazies? I've heard the sex is wild but ... is it worth it?

>>33449003
>casually for over a year
For a woman its not casual. They are very sensitive to how they feel today, so over a year is a full commited relationship to her nervous system, even if she says opposite

>All the sudden, she goes cold and drops the line
Its never sudden. You are withholding or oblivious to a whole story here. What she said, what she complained about over and over again. What she wants now and in the future, what is love to her, and such. Women dont leave men they love. And women dont stay with men they dont love. Which means, she loved you and then something happened

>I give her space, I don't get dramatic
What is the point of giving her space if you have no idea what is going on with her? You are signaling that you just dont care. Reread my previous post, its about open emotional leadership, not about emotional avoidance

>After a few months, I hit her up
So you had a serious (to her) relationship with a woman, she started to feel that you dont really care, she felt unloved and so she gave up to see what will happen. And instead of opening her up and leading both of you towards better relationship where both are happy, you just disappeared like she is a fuck buddy? For two months? For a woman its like a lifetime

>She doesn't want to hang out
Either she is too disappointed with you, or hurt. Most likely hurt since you are not ghosted

>I point out it's been a long time, ask what's up
Thats like 5 months too late, women take several months to fall out of love when you act unattractive

>I get an obvious excuse
What else do you expect to get, if you vanished for months, she feels hurt and now you ask questions as if you care? That is natural emotional defense when trust is broken

>Am I playing myself by hitting her up
No, you are playing yourself by not developing your empathy, tunnel visioning in your solipsism and expecting woman to be emotionless robot waiting for you forever. You should also work on your relationship communication skills

>>33426078 (OP)
I think I’m either on the verge of giving up or have already.
I don’t think women want me and attempting to get them either makes them uncomfortable or runs the risk of an arrest.
I don’t truly know if anyone wants me desu.
I have a small group of friends, I’ve always been the butt of their jokes though.
I get along with my colleagues, but it’s partly because they have to be nice to me. I’m too valuable in the workplace to lose. But for the past two years this has been the best source of self esteem I have. And it’s fucking pathetic.

I’m almost 27 and the only girlfriend I could get in that time was with a girl who didn’t want to even hold my hand.
Even when I broke up with her, it was for her benefit. Because I genuinely realized I was not going to stop wanting her, she was never going to let me in, and I didn’t want to hurt her.


Either I’m just that repulsive or I’m fucking monster deep down or somewhere combination.
How do you even keep up hope in such a situation?

>>33451480
Are you giga ugly or is your personality bad? Eitherway fix both.

>>33451429
The only reason you want bpd because you see them as discounted product you can afford

Here is the news, are you ready? Dating bpd is ten times harder than a healthy woman

And sex is just sex, you can get same from non bpd if you are sexually polarizing

>>33451590
I don't want them, I was just curious how they are. I already assume they're not worth it. What do you mean by sexually polarizing?

>>33451601
When you act as a man, woman acts as a woman. As eve. Sinful, lustful, ready to do anything. Women crave to become a slut for one certain man in a loving commited relationship

Sexual polarity is easy. Observe what women do, and be the opposite. Women are playing games through the phone, be direct, open and decisive instead. Women weaponize silence, words and double meanings. Use your silence to be busy building your life, after telling lovingly and honestly what you want

Women are emotional and dramatic, be centered and emotionally independent

Watch an old movie, james bond or something, you will feel the archetype

>>33451656
Nicely said. I still wonder why do guys report such good sex with BPDs. Is BPD just an extreme version of femininty itself? And it works with guys that are very masculine, hence the polarization?

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