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M or F
Have you ever had a celebrity sign a autograph for you? If you could which celebrity would you pick?

>>33449419 (OP)
whoever reads this is gay

State gender
Do you have any plans for Valentine's Day?

>>33449432
Just susicide

Girls, how turned off are you by guys with mommy issues?

Like the guys who want you to mentor them, prefer you be extremely rational and logical, be smarter than them etc

>>33449432
M
Nigga it's like 7 months away.

>>33449432
M
Isn't it a bit early/late for that?

But no, I neither have nor ever had.

State gender
What did you do last Valentines Day?

>>33449432
Wtf, that's so far away. No I hate Valentine's day. I always hated it when I was single and expected that to change once in a relationship, but no, it still feels like a day invented just to make single people feel like shit. Luckily my bf doesn't care for it either so most years we fully ignore it.

>>33449440
F. Masturbated more than usual.

>>33449440
M
Browse /atoga/.

>>33449440
M
Nothing special, I don't even remember. Seethe and cope, probably

>>33449432
M
No. I opted out of dating and can't bother trying anymore. I'll be alone like I was alone on Christmas and New Year's.

>>33447781
>You'd betray Makima?
I will not betray my dream, >>33447777 isn't me.

>>33449435
I have known guys with mommy issues but none that manifested like what you describe where the guy wants to be quite directly mothered by you. I'm not sure how I would feel about it but if I had to guess I would say it would excite me sexually but put me off getting together with them. It should feel more equal if you ask me.

>>33449441
>has a bf
>ignores Valentine's Day
Kek
That's just pathetic and sad. Are you both ugly and fat?

>>33449440
F
I was doing a stream for singles, just goofing around with vidya and stuff

>>33449451
Yeah thats what i was thinking. Its quite rare, and im under the assumption itd be a novelty (causing the arousal) but nothing that could work long term, or in the context of a partnership.

>>33449452
He's fat but not ugly, I am neither. I just don't see the point in Valentine's day. I am always happy to be in a relationship and we do fun things together all the time, what's the point in having a designated day to parade around together?

>>33449448
Thanks for clarifying, now I can sleep in peace

>>33449456
I think for me it's mostly that in bed it is really fun (or well, I think) to feel powerful and all-knowing. It is a lot more easy to teach a guy how to please you if he's happy to hear feedback or even wants to be "taught", than if he's invested in already feeling like a sex god.

But for a relationship it kind of makes me feel that a guy looking for this, wants someone to protect him from life (like parents do, or at least make you feel they do). But when you're in a very long term relationship you rely on each other and need to take turns supporting and consoling each other. It won't always be 50/50 but it can't be one person always needing to be the rock, it causes feelings of resentment and loneliness.

>>33449458
Lol

>>33449419 (OP)
htgwg wasn't of help so I'll ask here: >>33449411
I guess my problem could be explained as this post says >>33449435
>mommy issues
I'm the son of a single mom...

Men, would you love your gf if she had a worm?

How many days after ovulating is it safe to have raw sex?

>>33449469
M
I think I actually would.

>>33449468
Hey man see if you can find ways to integrate yourself into communities where you can interact with people without stranger danger. Ive been doing this and have been getting closer to getting a partner. For reference, i had something going extremely well until i fumbled it in the worst way possible, but that was a learning experience for me and i know when another opportunity arises i can avoid that fumble, and progress even further.

>>33449471
>How many days after ovulating is it safe to have raw sex?
Depends how much of a risk you want to take. I would wait 3 days, or ideally 5 if you're very worried. You have to be completely sure you've calculated ovulation accurately.

>>33449462
Yeah makes perfect sense to me. I appreciate the valuable insight very much.

>>33449469
I'm bisexual or pansexual depending on how you put things, so yes.

>>33449468
There's a lot to unpack in this post but just throwing some thoughts out there.

People are not logical beings. Of course I understand what you mean - that you are logic-oriented or whatever - but I think it would be good to try to prove yourself wrong or at least that it's more nuanced than you write here. After all, relationships are wholly emotional, based on intuitive things, and if you keep repeating to yourself you don't understand shit about any of that, you will make it harder to feel what you actually want, like and so on - your whole compass in dating.

Secondly, don't bother trying to think of yourself as broken because you didn't have a father figure, lots of men didn't. Barely anybody had an ideal childhood and it matters more how well you are able to tackle your own issues later on than how perfect your start was or wasn't.

You say you don't understand what seduction is, that is hard to describe but it boils down to giving someone the impression that sex with you would be a (possible) option and might be very fun. This can be communicated through cheeky jokes or something but in practice it's mostly all looks, tone of voice, how personal you get with them and so on. You allow someone to really feel they are exciting and attractive to you and if it's mutual, this gives the other person an electric feeling, they start feeling sexy and desired under your gaze and start getting curious about you, too.

>>33449432
Go to a sex club and receive a prostate massage.

>>33449485
You're welcome! Don't despair by the way, I think most people have a natural preference for either providing stability or seeking it out, and both need to learn how to "round it out" and get better at the opposing role, be it stepping it up or being vulnerable.

Do you think Clark Kent/Kal-El ever uses kryptonite as lube when masturbating to test his pain tolerance?

>>33449440
M
Got drunk and watched vtubers

>>33449468
>>33449487
Also just to add to my point about emotions - you say you are a very logical person but at 36 and having had lots of opportunities, I'm sorry to say it man, but for an outsider it's easy to see that -apparently- you self-sabotage and/or you are afraid of intimacy.

Yes you can be legitimately clueless and slow for a while. But after you fumble a few chances you typically change. If you keep stubbornly following the same patterns for years it's because apparently it feels really good, too, even though you want to change it rationally.

But if you cannot admit to yourself that it's emotions getting in the way, you also cannot question or reflect on those emotions. You even say so yourself kind of, at the end, that you felt so betrayed by your mom's lies that you have become guarded - so not that weird then that you have had difficulty opening up. Not for not seeing opportunities but because you were afraid to grab them. That's fine. But you need to acknowledge it to change it.

>>33449484
I ovulated really late this month I think but theres been no sticky discharge but my temps have risen

>>33449491
Do you think jedi force in their sleep. They’ll throw you into the wall because they have nightmares about sith daddy

>>33449495
This comes off to me as a great post. You need to acknowledge your fuckups in order to fix them.

i'm going to get a boyfriend and he's going to be very sweet and funny and watch fishtank live with me. and do other things that i like..

Women, will you bend me over, lube up my butt, and give me a prostate massage?

>>33449440
M, I remember still working as a receptionist and flirting with all the MILFs
The sweet GILF from the candy shop down the street brought us some candy and I chatted to her for a while and we had some candy lol it was nice (:

>>33449489
Yeah, blog, but my moms schizoprenic and infact to this day i have to send 2k to 3k a month, painting a picture for her lack of independence. Ocassionally i have to ask my brother to go to her place to shutdown whatever delusionary thing she'll cook up that would ruin her life further.

Add on work stress, other stuff that requires constant use of executive functions I see that it'd explain my strong preference for being mothered by a partner.

>>33449505
Manifest it girl

>>33449469
Ya ofc I wouldddd x
I would make her a nice little bed and fun maze in the soil and give her lots of worm snacks
>>33449505
CUTE I agree with other anon, manifest dis

>>33449505
He'll only do that in the honeymoon phase, once your pussy is on tap he'll do nothing but play league and screech like the angry german kid when you ask him if he's ready for his tendies

I have once paid for a penis massage. In the future, how can I receive such services from women without having to pay for them?

>>33449516
Question, do girls like guys without hobbies? So stuff like this doesnt happen. My assumption is theyd be a blank slate and would just pickup whatever hobbies their girlfriend/wife would have.

>>33449516
no, we'll be in love forever and die holding hands

Women, how would you react if you found out that your son was a rapist but he was too autistic and socially deficient to know what he did was rape?

>>33449422
I don't know if you're still here, if you are, sorry for being insistent. But besides the way I write, I'm curious to know what else do you know about me.

foids, turn-offs on a first date? i'm basically a half feral guy and i haven't gone on a traditional date with a girl in almost a decade. women don't seem to hate half feral men so i think that part's fine, but 100% i would probably a fail a first date just due to peculiar behaviors alone i think.

re-ask cuz nobody replied before.

>>33449510
I think you're right, it makes sense that you yearn feeling fully taken care of in your love life when your everyday life is so burdened by other people already. But realize this is still skewered, in that it means you try to compensate your lack of boundaries in another area of life. Where it would be healthier to push back more, accept less responsibility for your mom, and in turn feel less craving to never have to do anything for another woman again (paraphrasing).

I actually think this is fairly common. I had a friend who had it in a platonic way: she would also send her parents money and they would guilttrip her all the time, she also had a brother who acted out and would constantly be smoothing over conflict between him and them. She did have serious relationships but in friendships she was utterly hot and cold, had a real habit of finding people fantastic for like a year, then suddenly being totally done with them and simply ghosting, never an explanation. I was one of those people and while it wasn't fun, honestly I could not really blame her either, the way I knew her life, for simply not wanting to feel tethered to even MORE people than her family and partner, like there had to be one area of life where she felt free to walk away.

>>33449469
>A lot of women date and marry guys who would dump them without hesitation if they happened to be men, but they still think what they have is love.

>He doesn't love you, he loves your sex.

Fellas, is it homophobic to only date the opposite sex?

>>33449523
This gave me ptsd

>>33449505
I'm sweet, not very funny and I just found out what fishtank live is. Still, hope you find it.

>>33449521
>Question, do girls like guys without hobbies?
...Yeah, I do. I need lots of attention and quality time together if I really love a guy.

>>33449523
I’m not having kids

>>33449524
It really sounds like this person just identified that some users are autistic. Formal, AI-like writing style with good grammar and little slang? Sounds mentally diseased with autism to me!

>>33449525
just try and ask her about herself as much as possible, people love talking about themselves. depending on what the date is, you should pay. it's not even about the gender dynamics it just puts you in the best position to get a 2nd date. make sure you're clean (idk the feral part worries me about your hygiene..). normie women are really wrapped up in weird complexes around dating rituals and "red flags", i don't even know how to give advice to navigate that thorn maze

>>33449523
I would spend a lot, a lot of time reflecting on how I had managed to fail him so severely.

>>33449528
>Fellas, is it homophobic to only date the opposite sex?
Most gay men I talk to believe that straight men can have the homophobia anally raped out of them through a coordinated effort by homosexuals with erected penises.

>>33449531
THANK YOU! and i hope you watch fishtank for a long time, it's the best!!

>>33449533
You won't be saying that when you are abducted by space aliens who drug and inseminate you with abortion-proof in vitro fertilization in their flying saucer as part of a catch and release breeding program.

>>33449523
That is what neurotypical men are like, I'd only be shocked to discover the abortion failed

>>33449525
>foids, turn-offs on a first date?
Overly long first date (should be brief). Messy activity. Too touchy early on in the date. I'm quite open-minded, though, if there's good chemistry (which is rare for me) I'd be open to a second date.

What if fetishize you because of your status as an ATOGA "woman"?

>>33449476
>see if you can find ways to integrate yourself into communities where you can interact with people without stranger danger
I guess the fitness training I go to could be this.. but I'm not that friendly Tbh

>i had something going extremely well until i fumbled it in the worst way possible
how do you deal with the shame though? I usually end up feeling like shit when I fuck up, beating myself for a long time...

>>33449487
>People are not logical beings
yeah, I understand that, but, for example, having women women cry for dumb shit kind of scares me. like, wtf? people cry when hard shit happens, when they are depressed and so on. why cry over some dumb problem, maybe even a made up one?

>don't bother trying to think of yourself as broken because you didn't have a father figure
yeah, I don't think much of that, but almost none of my closest friends or siblings ever helped me, and I've refused help from some friends and coworkers... but when I realized I fucked up it was too late. no one will wait for me to "feel prepared" to receive their help.

>can be communicated through cheeky jokes or something
>how personal you get with them and so on
I suck at that, and I feel like "getting personal" part is esp. the one most important and the hardest for me... :/

>>33449495
>you are afraid of intimacy
I am, yeah. I'm afraid of people in general, esp. when it comes to establising an intimate relationship. I'm scared of being manipulated, robbed, cheated on, etc.

>you have become guarded
even my own mom brainwashed me into that, only to try to betray me when I needed to trust her the most after I helped her improve her life... so yeah, shit's kinda hard for me.

as >>33449495 says, your post is of great help anon. I really need to write this down and reflect on myself, my problems and to actually fix them and fix my attitudes towards people in general.

>>33449545
Dates should be structured like a viva voce exam. There should be a panel of women who evaluate men on their detailed knowledge of a particular subject area of the women's choice, and they have to do a month's reading in advance and write a paper they need to defend.

Anons would you be mad at him if he used you as a social experiment...

There's a girl who's usually getting on the bus to university when I get off it. She's pretty cute.
Women, how should I approach her? I'm thinking something like "Hey I see you here all the time, what's your name?" and then if she sounds half-way interested I ask her for her number. How would you want to be approached if you were interested?

>>33449432
What? In like half a year's time? No. wtf
M

>>33449510
I'd seriously consider therapy because my mom was the same way until she overdosed and died and I still deal with all the problems of growing up with a BPD mother years later.
I was basically acting as her parent growing up and so many issues in my life have stemmed from not getting any real parental love and that's an extremely hard issue to deal with on your own.

>>33449459
I'm glad I could help, sleep well!

>>33449525
All the token ones like don't look at your phone, don't use most/all stories of hers just to do a "I'll go one step further, I once did a similar thing but it was actually much cooler-" tier anecdotes. Don't cry about your ex. Don't ask loaded questions ("you're not one of those XYZ, are you?"). Don't make her promise you when you'll see her again at the end of the date.

Definitely avoid self-depricating jokes like "whew I almost started thinking you'd left through the back" after she returns from ordering or the toilet. Or salty jabs like how you're sure other guys gave her better dates.

Don't correct the staff on anything (in the sense of adding to their description of the wine or something), not even if you're sure your right. Don't order for her or assume what she wants to eat.

I think that's all I can think of.

>>33449554
Valentine's Day is next month, you idiot head.

>>33449432
M
Too early to plan for that plus need to get a gf first

>>33449441
>Wtf, that's so far away. No I hate Valentine's day
it's odd how I knew you were a girl just from the way you typed these two sentences

>>33449553
Why would I be interested in a complete stranger

>>33449419 (OP)
Why do I have sex with prostitutes?
I have had unprotected sex with one as well, I don't regret it.
Can you tell me how disgusting I am?

Men, did you ever have an "ok, maybe I am just a little bit bisexual" moment? For me it was when I realized I often found male pro wrestlers hotter than the female ones a lot of the time and was also more engaged in their drama.

>>33449562
Because most men would be flattered if a female complete stranger women approached him for dating or sexy time.

>>33449440
M
Read manga

>read some posts on reddit about how they have mental issues, were fired from their job and had to give up their two cats
>in passing they also say they have an eating disorder and are overweight
i don't know why this took me out of it
its like i initially cared a lot, but when i read they are fat... it kinda lessened how i feel about it

And i feel like an asshole for having that reaction because what they are going through is shit whether you are overweight or underweight

Sorry i think i just wanted to blogpost for a moment

>>33449538
meanwhile it's considered 'extremely offensive' when you say that about lesbians lol

>>33449562
nta but he's asking to women that might be open to being approached by strangers?

here's an update to those anons interested in my research chemical-enabled cognitive restructuring/engineering. i've had three promising, proof-of-concept results, and one intentional result (still pending to see how 'gone' it is)
1. accidentally kicked a nicotine habit
2. accidentally gained a pot addiction (now gone)
3. accidentally taught myself to attenuate hunger feelings, at least on any amount of stimulant
4. dampened the need to feel understood

the big takeaway is that is that, and its embarassing i didn't think of this, is that making your brain globally plastic is going to reinforce all behaviors you do, not just targeted ones. all-in-all, very promising. i might have also erased feelings for my ex over the course of a night.

there's no unturning the wheel now, i guess.

>>33449562
Does your first name start eith E by any chance

>>33449563
>Can you tell me how disgusting I am?
You have a degradation fetish.

>>33449541
I bet they would make these whining men pregnant first. They want it so bad

>>33449564
I had several encounters with men when I was younger. I'm currently abstaining from temptations

>>33449419 (OP)
male 28
sooooo
i around a month ago started to do laser epilation to my chest and back because it looked horrible
for the hell of it i shaved a part of it to my knee
and it grows up pretty slow(around a week-10 days to be noticable) should i say fuck it and go all the way

>>33449505
You'll get it just gotta believe

>>33449548
>yeah, I understand that, but, for example, having women women cry for dumb shit kind of scares me. like, wtf?
Yeah some people are more emotional than others. Usually there is a deeper reason, e.g. they cry mostly because they are super tired, on their period, or something worse happened prior they don't feel like sharing.

That said, how often have you heard a man flip out and get angry over nothing? Because a lot of people somehow don't seem to see/remember that as a dramatic or emotional reaction when it is, just a different emotion. Road rage is an example that is very common in men and most would agree is an emotional overreaction.

In general it stands out to me that a lot of what you write makes you sound very passive. Your mom fucked you over, people did not want to help you. I don't mean that in an accusing sense but to point it out because again, if you feel convinced something is out of your control or it got corrupted by something out of your control, you effectively make yourself powerless to stop it. It is only when you see your own part in the whole that you can start changing - the part you can change, your own part, and that'll cause everyone and everything around you to change too.

Realizing you are afraid to let people in and knowing at least a huge part of where it came from is a very good start, very important. The thing is (and this is easier said than done) you should not stop at those realizations. You should think them over and over, questioning yourself. Like if you are scared to be manipulated, you are apparently not just scared to trust others' intentions, but also scared to trust your own judgment - someone trying to manipulate you isn't scary if you feel confident you could prevent it. So why do you feel you won't? Probably because of your mom. But didn't your mom also make you good at recognizing some toxic stuff?

>>33449578
I remember during my puberty a man in heavy park dressed as a satyr at some kind of fantasy themed amusement park jerked me off behind a roller coaster. But that was my only gay encounter.

>>33449564
When I noticed that I'd actually give femboys or very girly looking men a chance irl.

>>33449548
>>33449582


Endless questions to ask and the point is not specific answers to specific questions but rather that the more time you spend on these - alone, with friends, or with a therapist - the better you will start understanding yourself from within, your own inner logic, the logic that is part of your history. You will quite literally get to know yourself better. This will translate into more compassion for yourself, working around your weak sides better, understanding better what you need and being more motivated to provide yourself with it, more confidence, everything.

Best of luck anon and I am very happy my posts helped somewhat.

Why does the coloration and texture of your face resemble that of a saltine cracker at a seafood restaurant?

>>33449583
You said you would call me the next day......
https://youtu.be/x33hBl5HIi0?si=-y729QNRS57ZQMh6

New boyfriend occasionally has issues with premature ejaculation, how do I approach it to reassure him without coming across as condescending?

>>33449572
this sounds interesting
what was the process like? what did you use for restructuring?

>>33449564
No.

>>33449581
i won't stop until i have it

>>33449469
Trannies are literally women like I'm literally Ryan Gosling

>>33449564
Is this the gay dude that pretends to be female and spams weird question like:
>Men, Would you impregnated your mom?

>>33449569
For what it's worth, you realizing how warped it is and feeling like an asshole is already pretty good. A lot of people feel this way especially about women.

>>33449591
Invite your ex to be a closer

>>33449567
But I'm not a man and I don't want the things that men do, I'm creeped out when strangers express sexual interest in me
>>33449571
Do you know women like that? It's pretty much the only dating thing all my friends agree on

>>33449591
just tell him not to worry about it and find a way for both of you to enjoy sex. in my case, I had issues until I felt more confident with my ex gf. after that we'd make it so she'd finish before me.

>>33449596
I'm a man asking other men

>>33449469
idiot doesn't know what love is and will probably live a perpetually sad life.

>>33449569
>How they have mental issues
>Have an eating disorder and are overweight.
I think because they have the overeating mental illness instead of the "Shooting up behind a McDonald's" mental illness so it's harder to emphasize.
Most true fatfucks I've met have some sort of trauma where eating gives them comfort so they'll eat until they die of heart failure.

>>33449432
dont know if I'll be alive by then

>>33449612
Do you want to know what love is?
Do you want me to show you?

>>33449576
I would honestly say that I don't.
I know i'm disgusting.

>>33449591
Don't do it spontaneously, that'll just make him worry it was also on your mind as a negative thing. If he mentions it, tell him something like how it makes you feel like a sex goddess or that you sure hope there never gets a point where he never struggles to last anymore.

>>33449615
Why, do you have late stage pussy cancer?

>>33449603
Hey does your name start with E by any chance

>>33449469
Yes, but I am actively crushing on a trans girl

Why do so many British and Irish people of average intelligence look like they are cognitively and genetically deficient, even outright dysgenic? Big ears, bad teeth, weak chins, and stubby noses?

is it flirting if you are considering dyeing your hair and you ask your guy friend what color to do and he says he'll dye his to match whichever color you pick

>>33449592
20mg daily of eutropoflavin. most has been accidental. #4 was deliberately brought about after mixing shrooms and purposefully engaging in chatbot therapy. my main process is to do intense meditations/visualizations involving LITERALLY acting out the feelings/thoughts/etc that i want to have. i also am hoping to meditate deeper so i can make signals we normally just interpret as "instinct" to be more explicit, which should let me engineer novel cognitive structures.

>>33449553
i wouldn’t want to be approached by a stranger especially a male stranger. It’s fine if we know eachother by association in school or work but outside it’s a major ick like get the fuck off away

i have been approached before in public and it’s so embarrassing especially having to reject or pretend im interested only to ghost

>>33449629
No, that is not flirting. You need to directly compliment him on a physical feature (not something he chooses like his clothes or style, more like his eyes, smile, or the texture of his hair) to get across that you're flirting.

>>33449616
i doubt any anons here know what love is

>>33449419 (OP)
M. No, I never even met a celebrity.
Hmmm… idk to be honest.
Maybe the following:
Keanu Reeves
Henry Cavill
Daniel Day Lewis
Daniel Dae Kim
Denzel Washington

Female celebrities?
My favorites, of course ;)

>>33449622
>sup JH
>are you E
No, I'm not your ex or some atoga celeb you're simping for

Ideally, should I get with a smart but ugly man I admire or an attractive and fun normie man

>>33449634
i'm asking if his response is flirting with me, sorry should've worded that better

>>33449635
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVOd3umzelg

>>33449629
i disagree with the other anon, its a little bit flirting. could just be playful. otoh, mirroring is classic "i'm interested in you" signal. if there are other flirty signs, then it surely is

>>33449469
M
Hell no!
I like my women like my Pepsi cola. Original!

>>33449642
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAr2rUbgPzE&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD

>>33449628
Propaganda, unironically. Media (and/or personal experience) that has made you associate their phenotypes with such traits. It's the answer for most of
>Why does [GROUP] look/smell/sound like [NEGATIVE TRAIT]

>>33449635
I know what love is because I was at a rock show once and this chick and her mom took me out to the courtyard between the first and second opening band and took turns sucking my weiner. That was love.

>>33449638
Mine does hehehe.

>>33449628
NGL, that’s kinda rude, bro.
Brits are American cousins.

>>33449638
FUCK HOW DO I KNOW U HAHAHA

WHO ARE U?

>>33449654
>Who are you?
The details of my life are quite inconsequential.

>>33449639
Just date/marry a Chad/Brad, Tyrone, Abudallah, or Ramjet.

>>33449594
Thats the spirit

My gf and I just broke up, we had a good discussion as to why. Personally, I didn’t want to but her reason was that I’m emotionally unavailable at times and that she’ll tell me something and I’ll just sit there and not know what to say. I just got home and my mom said that I’m missing out and that she seems to really adore me and that I should text her back and ask her what exactly she wants from me and what I can do to change. I’m scared to do this. What should I do?

>>33449656
Sorry i wont ask who you are. But you know me right?

do all moids obsessively shift gears every 10 seconds on an automatic?

Do men who can't get a woman and strike out on the dating market end up moving to a small village in former East Germany where they are repeatedly ritualistically sodomized in painful ways by obese homosexual German leather daddies?

>>33449582
>how often have you heard a man flip out and get angry over nothing?
>people somehow don't seem to see/remember that as a dramatic or emotional
you are right, yeah. I get angry over dumb shit all the time too

>>33449582
>you sound very passive
>Your mom fucked you over, people did not want to help you
spot on. I am passive. I let people be and time pass because I constantly fear that things might actually get worse for me. on the other hand, being lonely I can do whatever the fuck I want most of the time, for obvious reasons.

>you should not stop at those realizations. You should think them over and over, questioning yourself
you are right. I think them over and over but, yeah, I don't question those thoughts.

>not just scared to trust others' intentions, but also scared to trust your own judgment
yup. thing is, I'm transparent so I could be easily manipulated in a "long con". what if I trust someone and end up being fucked over by them too? that's the kind of paranoia that takes over my thoughts all the time.

>Probably because of your mom. But didn't your mom also make you good at recognizing some toxic stuff?
that's the irony of it all. I don't know how to deal with the cognitive dissonance... to what degree should I believe her brainwashing?

>>33449587
> more time you spend on these - alone, with friends, or with a therapist
I gotta be honest here. I have a hard time opening up to friends and to therapists. I kind of feel ashamed of confessing but also very vulnerable. also, I work in computer security, and I've read about all kinds of fucked up shit, which doesn't help much either.

>more compassion for yourself
this is the hard part. I really don't know how to treat myself better. I've had a shitty life and I don't know how to think of that as "the past"

>Best of luck anon and I am very happy my posts helped somewhat.
thank you anon.
are you a therapist? you are better as a therapist than whoever I've talked to in the past lmao

Reading too many books can make you a terrible writer. Your thoughts may begin to echo another author’s, and you might struggle to come up with anything original. Instead of just creating what you feel, you'll be too worried about accidentally copying someone else. That’s not to say you shouldn’t read at all—you definitely should, especially great books. But people who read hundreds of books every year often end up with no thoughts of their own.

>>33449666
I hope not.
We should gather a posse and burn it down ;)

>>33449664
If you told me you were drowning
I would not lend a hand
I've seen your face before, my friend
But I don't know if you know who I am....

>>33449665
Grill detected

>>33449630
amazing research, but 3 and 4 sounds more like harmful side effects, but keep us posted anon

>>33449654
Why do you imagine you might know me on the basis of some mainstream opinion on an anonymous basket-weaving forum, I'm not even typing this shit in my first or second or third language

>>33449679
Schizophrenia is a hell of a disease.

>>33449637
I once ate out a woman who sucked the penis of the actor Burn Gorman at an after party at a science fiction convention.

>>33449662
Id try what your mom said. If she really loves you she'll definitely give you another chance

>>33449679
You mentioned my initials, it couldve just been a coincidence though

>>33449665
tf????

>>33449633
>It’s fine if we know eachother by association in school or work but outside it’s a major ick like get the fuck off away


agreed

>>33449678
when you're on the precipice of hot-wiring your own values and treating your self as canvas, i think positive and negative start to blur. i will keep you posted anon, thanks for taking interest.

>>33449419 (OP)
F. Yes I have, I got Donald Trumps autograph before he was just a crazy old man trying to get TV hits. And I still would get his autograph as a president

What's the best way to find a crunchy outdoorsy gf? Since I can't approach them while camping or hiking for fear of them thinking I'm going to murder them in the woods, I don't know how to meet up with them.

>>33449665
On an automatic you don't need to shift anything unless you're parking or putting it in reverse or something.

My brother once, a long time ago, propositioned me to homosexually fuck him while his girlfriend watched and got off. I think he was joking but this still mentally fucks me up and I have to rinse the memory out of my brain sometimes. Anyone else have any sibling or family experiences like that?

anyone ever heal from avoidant attachment ?

>>33449432
Male
I will almost certainly still be single, so probably just shitpost and play vidya like every other weekend

Just remember when you have to choose between the side of talking puppies and of humanoid space dragons that murder and eat puppies, always choose the side of the puppies.

>>33449690
Social groups centred around outdoor activities, Facebook groups for crunchy people. Honestly though, crunchy girls are a lot more easily approached than others if you show some sort of common interest in that lifestyle.

>>33449432
F
I will do what I do every year which is not giving a fuck.

Seconding >>33449615

>>33449705
You could literally get a bf in an hour.

>>33449697
just a matter of learning to tolerate attachment, which you do like you tolerate anything else e.g. slowly escalate intimacy with someone

>>33449698
Another man is going to suck your penis with his bearded lips while you shitpost and play. That is how your Valentine's Day will go. It will involve a gay blow job.

>>33449516
>sex outside of marriage

>>33449688
but youre not a canvas anon, and those values were built upon years and years of living from good and bad experiences, some chemical cocktail might fuck em up even more. also, how do you know which values to change? how do you weight them? Your research requires a full paper in which you explain the whole process, its pretty interesting

>>33449432
M
Do copious amounts of drugs and spend 6 hours fucking my tulpa, probably

>>33449712
kys faggot

I hate that anime gave me a 'type' that doesn't exist for real

>>33449683
Uh… lulz

>>33449689
Moid hands.

>>33449653
continental Euros are far ruder. French have a smug dickheads, Germanics are blunt to the point of being autistic.

>>33449603
It seems to me that if you're "the right guy," it works. One girl I worked with told me her husband just came up to her and started talking to her while she was sitting at a bench on campus. Another met her bf because he went and talked to her at the library. But how do you know if you're the right guy or she's responsive to that unless you try and fail/succeed?

>>33449633
>>33449687
I get that. We go to the same uni and presumably live in the same university housing complex, but that's it. I haven't seen her around my building though. I was hoping maybe I'd run into her at home or at a housing event, it'd feel more normal to strike up a conversation at, y'know, a social event.

>>33449703
Any recommendations outside of an indoor climbing gym?

>>33449419 (OP)
I got a signature from Robby Gordon, Kevin Harvick, and Dale Earnhardt Jr at the 2004 Daytona 500.

does society still hate t shirts tucked into straight leg jeans with a nice belt? I forgot this was a thing and as a zoomer its never been a thing but damn does it make sense, I find a lot of t shirts to be too long despite being 6 foot as I have a small torso and longer legs but because I have broad shoulders, small waste and thicker legs I would look more flattering than the usual untucked shit. How come people dont do this shit anymore ?

>>33449715
am i not a canvas? here i have a drug that makes my brain extra sticky, knowledge on how to take advantage of that to gain/lose traits, and zero love for my mind or will to keep it as-is. canvas might be an understatement.
re:values, it's true that i can't change my brain's automatic assessment of things, but what i can change is my brain's appraisal of things. if pain stops being aversive, and pleasure stops being attractive (and these two things being what defines our values), then it seems to me that i DO get to decide my own values by engineering whatever algorithm it is that pays attention to aversion/attraction. to that end, i'll modify them in whatever way i need to in order to achieve what i want to.

>>33449432
This year I tried to cut ties. Next year I will probably be regretting it

>>33449669
Sorry for the delay, in case you're still here:

>I'm transparent so I could be easily manipulated
Still only if you do not recognize the patterns. It doesn't mean anything if people can tell your motives, your intentions, your hopes, your vulnerabilities, as long as you are able to draw boundaries, protect yourself, and withdraw whenever in doubt. The real question is why you have so little faith both in your ability to do this and your ability to learn to do it in the future. I would assume you have already experienced you failing to notice manipulation, but that can be the start of getting very good at recognizing it, so the challenge is to process the feelings of disappointment in yourself and insecurity that are a natural result, always, of being cheated/used in any way.

>I don't know how to deal with the cognitive dissonance... to what degree should I believe her brainwashing?
To the degree it rings true with your own feelings and your own lived experiences. But you need to be in tune with those very well to judge that. So that means no longer denying your emotions or passing them off as something other than what they are. Owning up to how you feel allows you to develop your gut intuition better and make judgment calls intuitively - the only real way.

>I kind of feel ashamed of confessing but also very vulnerable.
This is natural and supremely common. But managing to overcome that fear is a triumph in itself. Realizing you will still not be shunned as vulnerable allows you to get stronger. Realizing stuff you came across fucked you up, helps you unfuck yourself a little. That is being a real adult, not ignoring your child self or no longer having them, but taking care of them, having become your own parent in that sense.

I do think a therapist would benefit you but it is pointless to force yourself before you are ready. I'm not a therapist but close to a social worker. Thank you for the kind words anon!

>>33449740
because it's what boomers did, which means its what your parents did. which makes it goofy and lame. same as jean shorts + white Sketcher shoes, moustaches, and fedoras.

>>33449432
give n receive gifts ^ㅂ^

>>33449750
Gonna Full Nelson… heheh.

>>33449671
You're not wrong but the problem with reading hundreds of books a year is you won't have any meaningful time to process them and truly let the reading experience settle and change, move you. It just becomes mindless escapism if reading itself is the goal, not being moved by what you read, let alone spending a long time chewing on something you read.

As long as you don't read to that point, it is fine to read lots including for your own writing. It's like a musician, sure if you listen to music 24/7 it would be hard to conceive of anything truly personal or fresh. But it is also hard to imagine a musician not seeking out music to get ideas or be inspired and make new connections. Even if you take an idea from elsewhere, it will still be your own in the execution.

>>33449697
no. i still get uncomfortable sharing a moment of small talk with strangers. i never know how to follow it up and the cut off is always awkward

>>33449749
but its fucking annoying that t shirts never fit properly, this would fix all my issues, but my parents are gen x they never tucked, I dont think, idk the 90s were a million years ago when they were young, ive never seen anyone do it post 2000, when I was born. But it makes sense to do it.

I want to cry in the arms of a big strong moid

>>33449750
Please gift me a girlfriend

>>33449740
Belts with jeans?
What the…

Principal Skinner: “Am I out of touch?”

>>33449758
We're out of big and strong moids. We have a few fat and balding ones left though, in case you're interested.

>>33449697
No. I also have no plans to do so.

why is it called avoidant attachment and not attachment avoidant? isn't avoidant attachment esl?

>>33449758
How about an average sized average strength moid?

>>33449757
how long or short a shirt is supposed to subject to change according to fashion. tight and short might be the fashion now but 20 years ago you wanted one that hung down to your knees.

protip: if you're female, tucking your shirt creates a tent effect that draws male eyelines instinctively

>>33449758
Smol

>>33449763
… not fat or bold. But hideous (me).
FeelsAwfulMan.png

>>33449765
Because it's types of attachment. The avoidant is just the descriptor of this particular kind.

>>33449765
they don't avoid attachments, that would just be sociopathy/APD

>>33449591
Do you find it hot he comes early?
If yes, tell him clearly and seductively.

>>33449761
what's wrong with that?

>>33449758
I'm moderately strong and passably tall, if that's fine for you.

>>33449684
My only qualm with it is that she thinks is a fundamental, emotional mismatch between us

Male here
>Friend invites me to chill with him and some of his friends I don't know
>When we get there, 3 of them are girls
>2 of the 3 girls kept finding reasons to small talk with me and would always stand super close to me when doing so
>Happened multiple times
Didn't really think much of it in the moment, but I definitely noticed. Was that a choosing signal or someshit?

>>33449774
Howdy

moids what is something you wish women understood about men?

>>33449779
what are your stats?

>>33449768
nawh im a dude but I have a nice small waste and broad shoulders and thick legs, I look very good in formal shirts tucked into pants but I wouldn't wear that shit unless it was for formal events but t shirts are an everyday thing, down to your knees looks like shit tho, I just want t shirts to go down to my waist and they never do, only small t shirts are correct in length but I cant physically fit into them, medium in some cases has the right length but are too narrow but for some brands it can be down to my thighs which is weird because its a fucking medium but a large gives me the arm and back room which I like but is way too long, annoying as fuck

>>33449613
It's also adhd and depression
Apparently been losing weight this year, which i'm glad for them

>>33449597
I'm not going to pull the 'me as an empath' card but i do like to think of myself as a rather empathetic person
Was probably disappointed in myself a bit, not that i would ever belittle somebody's issue directly or to others just bc they are fat

>>33449783
Stop “stealing” our hoodies.
Jk

Uh… please stop trying to invade our mind palace. Our “feelings” are not trade secrets for gossiping.

>>33449761
I thought this was a thing way back when

Is 7"x4" a big penis

>>33449785
What do you mean? Like my body count? I'm a virgin but dress well enough and look good enough that people think I pull. Appearance wise it wasn't always the case, but I took like 5 years working on myself to get to this point, but mentally I'm still too fucked up

>>33449783
The same things that you want deep inside, we want too.

>>33449789
This is good anon, that's growth. Realizing you disagree with your own involuntary judgement is how it changes over time. It becomes even more powerful once you meet someone (in this case) fat that you really really like or admire and you realize how younger you would've perceived them right away and it makes you realize how much being judgmental makes your own world a lot more boring and lame, how much more fun it is to be open to people surprising you and how much more often they do when you are open and aware you don't know them in all the best ways.

>>33449795
Was thinking more of height and face/10

Women do I really have to work out in order to love me?

>>33449797
...penis?

Sorry, it was just right there.

>>33449579
bump
i really dont know i should do it or not

>>33449801
I'm average height or short depending on who you ask, 5'8'. Why?

>>33449802
pecs and abs are easier to love than manboobs and flab

>>33449783
Nagging… ugh. Can’t stand it.
Even if it is from /family members.

whatever idiot anon was complaining about not having friends but also filtering people before even meeting them, you should read this whole exchange here >>33449799

>>33449802
No, I don't care at all. It's great when a guy is healthy, great when he is physically active, great when he feels comfortable in his own body. Working out can help with that. But that's the only way in which I care about it at all and it's not like any of those is impossible without working out either.

>>33449803
Sometimes, I guess.

Do women use logic at all or just pure emotions?

I'm about to lose my shit with this dumb bitch.

fuck societal norms im tucking my t shirt in, ive discovered a ''french tuck'' exists, stupid t shirt sizes pmo

>>33449783
That sometimes we are dumb and not socially/emotionally aware of things but want the best for u and everyone xx

>>33449807
I weight 40 kg
>>33449810
I am an active person but only if others make the plans, I can't come out with any ideas

>>33449783
Men have 4 states:
Hungry
Horny
Tired
Bump on a log mode

>>33449742
youre a human, not a lab rat, buddy. Proceed with caution. If you get rid of both pleasure and pain, what other things will motivate you. How are you so sure you wont cause a wave of impenetrable doom over you? Emotional flatness is not always the answear

>>33449812
logic vs. emotion dichotomy is retarded. emotion is a sense like any other. "do women use logic at all or do they just rely on their drink temperatures?" this is basically you

>>33449811
So you don't just talk the talk but walk the walk, nice!

In seriousness I agree and not all women fail to see this. If anything I guess men and women tend to express their similar/same needs differently but it comes down to the same stuff.

>>33449730
Haruka is so hot lol
These girls do exist ime they're just usually lesbian D:

>>33449812
>>33449821
This, they are also only to be separated on paper, emotions inform thoughts and thoughts inform emotions (you think of something that makes you sad or you are sad so you have negative thoughts etc).

The real difference is between people that can tell them apart and people that can't and try to pass off emotions as logical or mental convictions as emotional needs etc.

>>33449821
clearly a women wrote this as there is not one ounce of intelligence found in those words

I think I realized that I'm struggling to use the bumble friend app because everyone on it (myself included, obviously) are awkward and aren't good at making/maintaining traditional friendships. If we were, we wouldn't be on the app trying to swipe for friends.
All of the guys I've met up with in person from there have not been the best communicators and the conversations and meetups just end up dwindling into nothing. A long freeze out.

>>33449778
Its worth a try. Have a proper sit down with her and talk through it. Ask what you need to do to / change to make it work and if she's willing to give it another go. And if it doesnt work after that then you can be satisfied that you tried your best and it wasn't meant to be. Make sure if it has to end it's without regrets.

>>33449817
unless you're sub 5 ft you are very dangerously skinny

>>33449754
ning ?

i still dunno what that is ㅠㅠ

>>33449799
since you opened it this wide,i will too
I think it was because i was first attracted a bit to the person, we had had a short interaction in a niche interest and then i read one of their earlier posts from around a year ago, which is what i described in the op
It's as if i was disappointed they were potentially unattractive, which is ridiculous since at that point it was just words on a screen
And i was judging it unfairly
It was all a very short interaction and then me reading the old thread, like 10 to 15 mins in total and i think it might not be a big thing but i was a bit disgusted by myself...

>>33449824
it's not even a matter of surface level hotness (I do find her pretty, but that's irrespective), she's just so much on my wavelength it's unreal. The sort of person who I feel like I wouldn't have to speak to for her 'get' me and vice versa.

>>33449832
You can't really expect to instantly be infatuated with a friend. Some friendships are instantaneous like that but most have an awkward phase, it's just usually painless because if you meet in class or at work or because you're neighbors, you remain in the acquaintances zone as long as it's awkward and seamlessly transition to friends as the awkwardness goes away and you figure each other out, how to talk to each other, how to make each other laugh, what about the other person is most interesting...

You have to be willing to try longer before feeling a real connection. I don't think it's fair to say only stunted people end up on an app like that, after all some people's lives just offer dramatically more natural opportunities for friendship (like having lots of coworkers you work with informally and already get to know) than others (working alone from home).

>>33449832
I have never seen a woman in real life.
So, yeah, I can’t communicate for shieeet.

>>33449839
>It's as if i was disappointed they were potentially unattractive, which is ridiculous since at that point it was just words on a screen
I don't think it's that ridiculous. You were enjoying a fantasy (which we all do online at least sometimes) and this info brutally ruined the fantasy. It made you realize it was a fantasy in the first place, that you know nothing about this person, in fact would not even be drawn to them face to face probably. That just is a bummer.

Again I hope you do take from it that the part where you were bothered by your own judgment and are reflecting on it is more meaningful than having a knee jerk emotional response.

>>33449835
Uuhm...I am 1.70 cm kek

>>33449845
wtf

why do women love bisexual men?

Isn't findom manipulating and blackmailing mentally ill men? Why does nobody say anything about that?

>>33449845
why are u so short ?

>>33449801
>>33449805
Well?

>>33449817
skelly chan

>>33449847
Sexually, for the same reason men love lesbians: if you like men and like being sexual, liking two men being sexual together is not that surprising, even though plenty don't like it or not in that way.

Apart from that aspect, bisexual men do not fit the societal expectations for men, or at least not all of them, and as a result they are also less likely to have a very specific vision for how a woman should be, in my experience.

>>33449850
Coming from you kek

>>33449820
well going beyond pleasure and pain is hardly a new thing, it is the basis (and goal) of almost all mystical practices, so out of all the risks i don't think that's really it. (that, of course, has to be met with the ability to deal with operating beyond pleasure/pain, but i so happen to be pretty deep into mystical rabbit holes, so i think i am prepared for that.)

the two largest risks are more procedural, i would reckon. it's either going to be value decay due to gradual and unintentional changes in behavior that accumulate over time (though arguably we are already like this; but this process will be accelerated), or (like the hunger example) i will accidentally train myself to ignore physical problems that will then accumulate. the hope isn't to become emotionally flat or avoid these things, though, the hope is to make them asymbolic (i.e. noticeable but not influencing). i hate to sound like rick sanchez, but emotions aren't sacred (at least mine aren't to me), and i'd much rather just keep a sense of what i'm feeling but have it automatically impact my behavior/thinking in ways i don't control. if this makes socializing too hard, having to manually check my feelings, then i suppose i'll have to dampen the need to be around people (that or see if i can artificially make myself feel like i'm around people often), though i do not want that right now. and finally,
>How are you so sure you wont cause a wave of impenetrable doom over you?
i'm not, and neither are you. the butterfly flaps its wings to all interactions, not just these.

>>33449834
>Make sure if it has to end it's without regrets
Fair enough. What should I text her to ask if she has time to sit down and talk for 20-30 mins?

>>33449844
I might be lonelier than i want to admit to myself
Thanks for listening to me in a serious way

>>33449855
>if you like mean and like being sexual
*if you like men and like men being sexual, is what I meant and I guess is already more or less the same thing in the first place.

>>33449760
i can be yours ! (for a day) (´∀｀)

>>33449832
women say men are poor communicator but their definition of 'communication' is tilting their head an extra 5° when the guy across the room casually passes his cone of vision past them as he turns around

>>33449850
1 v 1 me, heheh.

>>33449849
Because they like it. And seriously, they'd probably be giving that money to another woman anyway.

What is the male equivalent of a sundress?

>>33449863
How much?

>>33449846
Yes
>>33449854
Short parents I guess idk
>>33449854
I like that name

>>33449867
Graphic Tees/Sports Jersey.

>>33449866
Then I guess it's okay for me to date 16 year old girls, using your same logic

>>33449864
I'm a man, and I'm talking to other men.

>>33449863
Cool wanna go ice skating?

>>33449847
i think bisexual men are gross. would never go out with a man that craves dick, to dick or get dicked. EWW

>>33449793
holy shit yes

>>33449874
my point remains valid

>>33449877
What if that man once had gay sex but now is abstaining and trying to turn straight? Asking for a friend

>>33449867
Rolling up sleeves up to elbow.

>>33449872
ew

>>33449867
Hawaiian shirt?

>>33449861
Probably, that is how it works, the more isolated you feel the less your brain needs to start seeing an opportunity, even if just to bask in a fantasy like that. Again though while painful, that is a good thing to realize because it allows you to work on that deliberately. Denying your loneliness also makes you its prisoner because only you can try to feel your way out, even if it you don't know how when you start.

I know you didn't ask for advice on this but in my experience it is a common trap if you get lonely to start desiring a big social pay out to make up for it (falling in love, an instant new best friend) while effectively the best way to come out of it is to not wait for the big leap but take all the small steps. Be more open to a friend you usually stick to surface level stuff with. Go out of your way to talk to someone, anyone, just because. Go do things on your own if you actively feel lonely and have nobody to ask, so you are at least part of the world and making memories potentially.

You're welcome.

>>33449860
Idk just be honest. Say you want work through this and want to seriously talk about it.

>>33449882
You asked, that is how it is.
Deal with it!

>>33449873
The difference being one's against the law for several reasons, and the other one's not because allegedly it's done by adults who are responisbles of themselves and their money.

>>33449867
grey sweatpants

>>33449783
the issue isn't that women don't understand men, it's that they don't care about men. at least, not as people.

>>33449856
shhhhhhhhut up ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ

>>33449865
id beat u anyways !!

>>33449877
what about bisexual women?

>>33449878
Are you getting phantom pain in your belly region?

>>33449889
I can legally date 16 year olds where I live. They like it, and if I don't date them then someone else most likely will.
>noooo that's not the same!

>>33449889
Well, that's the point that anon is making. It should not be legal because the men into findom are, so fucking mentally ill.

>>33449867
probably some bullshit like a linen shirt and pants but its bullshit we dont have nice shit like a sundress, its such a basic and comfy looking thing like you can wear a sundress with anything and you look proper but dudes have what? shirt and pants combo times 1 million unless youre going to be a fuck ass fashion nigha wearing some goofy shit

>>33449868
it's a special deal for valentines so the price is a flower !

>>33449876
YES I LOVE ICE SKATING

>>33449892
Nah.
And be careful, loser (you) gets pregnant.

>>33449897
how old are you?

>>33449880
eww it would still gross me out

>>33449897
>>33449898
You're all basing this argument on guys who are into findom being mentally ill, when most of the time it's just a fetish.

>>33449886
Yeah but should I open up with that over text or would it be better to just tell her that there’s stuff I forgot to say this morning?

>>33449903
∑(; °Д°)

hey what if i have a gun

>>33449906
based

>>33449849
>>33449866
This. According to psychiatric standards, the only meaningful standard we have for whether or not someone is mentally ill is whether they allow their habit/inclination to destroy their life. If you give away all your money to the point where your life is fucked, yes you're mentally ill. Giving away large sums of money because you derive enjoyment out of it, but knowing your limits in what you can afford to miss, isn't, regardless of how weird you find it.

You could argue that someone who gets off on being denied by their partner or cucked is mentally ill, or someone who wants their partner to hurt them or very personally insult them during sex. But the same principle applies and at the end of the day it IS normal for humans to be able to derive overall enjoyment out of something even when it makes zero sense to most others and with good arguments too.

There is also the pretty much universally known "this is so wrong but feels so right" feeling and you just cannot judge for someone else what they should or shouldn't feel that about. For some it's being used for money that hits that spot.

>>33449906
Valid. You have your preferences and don't want a man who likes it in both pipes.
But for real though, what if a man had gay sex in the past but regrets it, is disgusted by it, and is now trying to convert to heterosexuality? Asking for a friend

>>33449902
>the price is a flower
Damn that's fucking cheap.
I'll get you an entire bouquet of roses and then fuck an entire week long.

>>33449907
And the 16 year old girls I date just have a fetish for older men. We can play this game all fucking day.

>>33449913
this is homophobic

>>33449920
What are you on about? There was nothing about homosexuality in my post.

>>33449918
Only if you keep trying to pretend in bad faith that fucking a 16 year old and giving away money to a domme are somehow similar, and if we ignore the consequences of each.

>>33449909
Dodge it, of course.
You’re talking to a Pro here.

>>33449908
Personally id open with it. It feels more straightforward and it gives her time to think about it and decide if she wants to hear you out and meet but do what feels right to you. If shes willing to give it another shot she'll be happy to talk about it either way.

>>33449920
Heretic.
And I’m not talking about the vidya ;)

>>33449902
>YES I LOVE ICE SKATING
Nice it's a date. Mark it in your calendar

>>33449440
M
Had sex with femanon

>>33449926
There is no difference, retard. Let's go over the list again, shall we?
1. Tons of 16 year old girls like dating older men
2. If I don't do it someone else most likely will
3. We can simply write off obvious mental illness as a fetish when it's convenient

>>33449884
>it is a common trap if you get lonely to start desiring a big social pay out to make up for it (falling in love, an instant new best friend)
If i look at my interactions in the past few years, i think this is the truth
I have friends but i think the romantic hole has grown bigger than i liked to admit also because of past bad or unfulfilling experiences

>>33449908
Different anon reading the exchange and just wanting to say, I agree with you that her saying it's a fundamental mismatch sounds pretty final, like she is pretty convinced apparently based on a lot of experiences and observations. So if you do want to reach out I would definitely be straightforward and upfront about you having the desire to make sure there is no potential to use her observations to learn from and change as a couple, that you would regret to see it end now. That way if she does feel she's done, she'll let you know and you won't get your hopes up over nothing. Not wanting to be left with what ifs later is legitimate, but ultimately I feel relationships usually don't end over a specific argument (in either sense of the word) but rather one person being emotionally done and you can't talk your way out of that.

>>33449938
>1. Tons of 16 year old girls like dating older men
and tons of those girls regret it later in life if not fall victim to grooming and get trapped in the relationship. your predatory mindset is exactly why 16 y/o minors who don't know any better need to be protected by the law

>>33449894
oh gosh i do have a stomach ache but that's only because i didn't eat for like 12 hours

>>33449907
>>33449926
>being mentally ill, when most of the time it's just a fetish.
That's not mutually exclusive in the slightest. Tons of specific fetishes would only ever logically be held by mentally ill people and deep down you fucking know that. Accusing others of arguing in bad faith when that's exactly what you're doing lmfao

Anons this summer heat is even more exhausting after my already packed Caturday schedule. Now I must rest before I resume training.
Do you recommend elliptical or treadmill to build endurance?

>>33449938
Again, there are differences and you're willingly ignoring to keep defending your retarded take. I'll try to make it simple for you: a 16 year old is not mature yet, having sex with such an older person can really mess them up in several ways, besides the fact that most of the time the adult would be taking advantage of her and her lack of experience, even if she doesn't think so. On the other hand, you have a fully grown adult giving money to another full grown adult because the idea of giving money to a dom as a tribute is exciting.

HOLY SHIT GUYS THEY'RE LITERALLY THE SAME.

At this point I can't even tell if you're advocating against findom or in favor of fucking a teenager

>>33449946
Delayyyed!

>>33449940
I think this is a common experience for many at some point. After all friendships are less exclusive so more casually started and you don't look to get all your needs met in a friendship so it is easier to just embrace and accept the other as they are, which is the only productive way to have any relationship.

The thing is people often think their friends are not enough and they are yearning for that intimacy. But when you learn to be more intimate in general with people, more emotionally open, more vulnerable, more spontaneous, more yourself - you also come into your own more, start rocking your real self more, and that makes it easier to impress the person naturally impressed by who you are. So if you can let down the wall more with people in a platonic way you help yourself get to the headspace and qualities that make it easier to reach out in a romantic or sexual way too, win/win.

I know it feels really awkward at first, but that is a natural result of leaving your comfort zone, that's why it's called that. If you can sit through the awkwardness, your comfort zone gets bigger. Being accepted for your real self makes you happier than maintaining any image. It is more real, deeper, more loving. It is healing. I hope this resonates with you somewhat and you can experience it for yourself soon.

>>33449945
>and tons of those girls regret it later in life
What about lonely mentally ill men who later regret sending their money?
>get trapped in the relationship.
What about findoms blackmailing said men?

>>33449947
>That's not mutually exclusive in the slightest. Tons of specific fetishes would only ever logically be held by mentally ill people and deep down you fucking know that. Accusing others of arguing in bad faith when that's exactly what you're doing lmfao

And I suppose you can tell where the line is, right? Of course they are not mutually exclusive, but you're the one arguing that they aren't you idiot.

>>33449948
If already fit, treadmill at a strong % incline.
If you are heavy, do elliptical or stationary bike until you get fit. Avoid grinding your joints to dust prematurely.

>>33449563
Having unprotected sex with prostitutes is the exactly the same as having sex with any other woman

>>33449954
>What about lonely mentally ill men who later regret sending their money?

If they have a problem, they have it. But most of the time is not the case.

>What about findoms blackmailing said men?

Usually the guys consent to that blackmail, it's part of the game you retard. They like knowing that someone could leak info about them, even though they probably won't.

You're overthinking the idea of giving money to a dominant woman as tribute because you're submissive, and equalizing it with pedophilia somehow.

>>33449916
your gf for a week then !

dunno about the fucking part tho, that one will have rules (ᵕ ´ ∇ ˋ ˶)

>>33449654
Pajeet

>>33449697
Yes just ignore everyone and your immediately improves x10

>>33449954
Different anon but I would agree with you if we were talking about an eighteen year old with a fifty year old, the kind of relationship people frown upon but that can be sincerely sought out by both and enjoyed for their own reasons, dysfunctional or not.

But the whole idea of age of consent is drawing a line in the sand where we say, at this point your brain is so undeveloped and you are so inherently vulnerable that we give legal protection to more or less even out the playing field and protect you from being taken advantage of when you still cannot be expected to be able to prevent that yourself. After you pass that age, you're shit out of luck if you still did not wisen up.

>>33449927
ill have a bomb strapped to my chest then ( ˶ˆᗜˆ˵ )

u are not getting me pregnant !!

>>33449951
>a 16 year old is not mature yet
According to the law and puberty, they are mature enough to consent to sex and a relationship. Not like age and maturity are the same thing anyways. But you might as well ban people with down syndrome and autism from having sex while we're at it according to your logic.

hey girls, i need advice.

so i live on a college campus. so does this girl i was talking to. we were talking, then i creeped her out. its been two months since i creeped her out.

i told so many people about it, including how about 6 hours after creeping her out, i shat my pants. like a lot of shit. dripping down to my shoes. i want to tell her that. though. idk if word spread around to her, i just really want to tell her that. she hasnt blocked me on the app we were using, i said i was sorry about creeping her out the day after i creeped her out and she said she appreciated the apology but wasnt interested in getting to know me further. understandable. but i just want to tell her i shit my pants the same day. ive seen her in the cafeteria a few times, maybe when i see her again i can tell her i shit my pants? or would that be harassment?

99% leaning towards no need to tell her, but whatever. might as well ask to see what you girls, and or guys think.

running an /atoga/ train on our wife myao

>>33449929
>>33449941
How does this sound?

>>33449954
so the mental state of these men is retarded to that of a 16 year old, yet they're functioning enough to be financially successful and consent to stupid fetish shit. maybe these grown ass adult men should just take responsibility for their actions.

>>33449962
Pathetic!

>>33449962
>that one will have rules (ᵕ ´ ∇ ˋ ˶)
I mean sure, we'll have safewords and expand on our boundaries, find out what we like.
But be prepared, I WILL fold you and playfully throw you onto my bed.
It will be our personal little bed of roses.

>>33449975
im a 12 year old with women, 19 year old with friends, and a 150 IQ mastermind when it comes to financial success. what the fuck is wrong with me.

>>33449974
Nope, way too negative. I get that you want to be polite but you are going for a long shot here so if you want to shoot it anyway, you need to go balls out and tell her you don't want to lose her and you if she is willing to meet you. Not put the ball in her court asking her if there's hope without giving her anything to work with.

Sorry if it sounds harsh, that's not my intention just trying to get the point across.

>>33449969
Well, you’re on 4C for a reason.
PLAPPED.

>>33449968
There is literally zero difference between a 16-18 year old consenting to a relationship with another 16-18 year old and consenting to a relationship with a 50 year old, hence why it's allowed under the law
>but muh power dynamics
Then ban relationships between people of different income levels and IQ scores as well

>>33449963
Cringe

Kill them all. Are you sure? Yes. Well, I'm convinced.

>>33449970
People with down syndome and autism is a whole different topic that deserves its own discussion. We're talking about people in their right state of mind and a normal developement here.

And it's not about law and puberty. If we're going to be like that, there are still many things that you could do that could fuck people up while being technically legal. We're talking about their development and mental maturity. No matter how you try to spin it, a 16 year old is not mature enough to fully understand the consequences of having a romantic relationship or sex with an older person.

And since you mention puberty, many younger women are able to give birth. Since according to puberty they're ready to get pregnant, where's the line according to you? 14? 10?

Men, if you're at a friend's house with a couple of other guys doing guy stuff and your friend's gf/wife offers to makes you all sandwiches, is it annoying if she asks you what condiments and toppings you want on your sandwich? Like you have to stop what you're doing and everyone has to list it out for her? Is that aggravating?

Also is it annoying if she comes by and asks more than once if anyone wants a fresh drink or anything else to eat? My brain says you prefer to be left alone but my instinct is to maybe hover too much

>>33449980
What exactly should I write then? I’m lost

>>33449982
I absolutely would look down on someone dating someone who is nowhere near their own intellectual level, especially if they take advantage of it, which is almost inevitable.

Yes a relationship between a 16-18 and a 50 year old is inherently icky to me because if you have such light years of life experience on your partner, there is only two possible flavors. Either you try to ignore that and hold her to your own standards, based on all the maturing you did over the years, which is laughably weird and unfair to expect a teenager to meet and will result in her feeling like shit over being a teenager. Or you embrace that you are so much further and try to use that to her benefit, being a half lover half father figure.

That said, I stand by what I wrote, if it's legal people have the right to do it if they want to and it does not matter how icky I do or do not find it to think about.

>>33449986
No, that’s very nice of her to ask, let alone to offer make any food in the first place.
… I like free food.

>>33449970
the law is written and passed by majority old men. puberty enables pregnancy but minors cannot reliably raise children to adulthood, so having sex or a relationship at that age is pointless unless you intend to groom them for years.

>>33449974
NTAs and I don't want to sound like an asshole, but I can see how your gf thinks you are emotionally distant.
This is something you write to somebody who told you they don't want to go on a second date, not somebody you have been with for I guess months or longer?

>>33449986
Its not aggravating, don't worry about it.

>>33449959
I don't like porn or prostitutes, all I can think about is "she used to be somebody's daughter/sister". There was a time when she played with Barbies and ate candy and was sweet and cute and innocent. now she drinks cum for money. depressing

>go on a date with a compatible, attractive and interesting guy
>watch a fat lady do an opera cover of a pop song on my way there
>get along well enough, clicked better than with most people i've met
>a week passes
>have had 0 thoughts concerning the guy, forgot to reply to his message
>still thinking about the cover
how to become emotionally invested in men?

>>33449971
please need help!

Lol, lmao even.

>>33449976
FUCK YOU BLOODY SAAR WHERE IS THE POO I MUST COOM

>>33449974
I think its too long and kinda distant and i also agree with the other anon it's pretty negative. Just be honest and just go balls out. Just say you want to meet because you don't want to lose her and wanna talk about it because you want to make it work.

>>33449986
If you are unsure, just give them some things you have?
Like, ask who wants cheese, ham, salami and then count.

Seeing this girl. She has an Iud and was explaining something about her period week but doesn't actually get it because of iud. Not getting a frosty reception per se, just slightly less enthusiastic usual. This normal behaviour.

>>33449985
>is not mature enough to fully understand the consequences of having a romantic relationship or sex with an older person
The law is set the way it is for a reason, 16 is the age in which virtually everyone has undergone puberty and reached a point of mental maturity to where they can consent to sex, nearly everybody in the entire world outside of post-wall American roastie whores agrees this to be the case. And hey, if they have a problem, they have it. But most of the time is not the case.

>>33449998
I only want Snow Women.

>>33449982
Differences between economic level and IQ are nowhere near comparable as the difference between a 16 year old and a 50 year old you pedo.

>>33449991
3.5 years. What should I write then? I want to make my intentions clear so if she does want to meet, I don’t blindside her by being emotional and trying to work things through

>>33449987
It is hard for me to say without knowing the tone of her own message to you when she told you these things. Like if she was still asking you about how certain things were for you while breaking up with you, that to me is a sign that she was still hoping to the last second you might see her point and then I would go with something like
>[name], I've been thinking a lot about everything you said and if you're open to it, I would love to sit down with you and see if we can understand each other better, I would hate to see you go.

If on the other hand her message was short, maybe almost businesslike, and the talk was more her explaining her decision than any kind of (attempted) dialogue, I think you need to dial up harder and go with something like
>[name], I heard everything you said but you mean so much to me. I hope I'm not overstepping but I would hate to say goodbye and lose you now without giving this another try. Please give me the chance to talk about this once more and see if it changes anything for you.

In the second scenario, this is the time to go all out, like if you legitimately never liked anyone else as much as her (or something), tell her, put everything on the line. But again if she seemed more open to having her mind changed in the first place, I think it is better to strike a hopeful but more casual, tentative tone, not overdo the emotions.

That's just my take based on the little I know though...

>>33449993
Why do you care about someone else slut daughter? Beyond cucked lmao

>>33450002
>post-wall American roastie whores
NTA but you surely dropped the mask quick.

>>33449986
No that's very nice and id be very appreciative.

*smacks your ass*

>>33450011
This but I’m doing the smacking and it’s myao’s ass

>>33450012
How do you myao is a real girl?

>>33449495
I wish my ex did this before getting into a relationship with me

>>33450013
*know

>>33450002
I find it funny how you bother to use my own words against me, but at the same purposely ignore most of my reply. You don't have arguments besides "but 16 year old can have sex if they want tho" and keep ignoring all the reasons why that's harmful for them. By this point you're not even talking about findom.

I ask you again, do you think that a 16 year old has reached a point of mental maturity? Enough to understand if an older guy is telling her sweet lies just to fuck her? Enough to know that the guy most likely wouldn't have her best interests in miind? Enough to understand how much her life would change if she got pregnant or an STE? And if you say yes, then I ask you again, where's the line for you? 14 year old have gotten pregnant, are they so immature compared to a 16 year old? If they are, what about a 12 year old? They're not that different to a 14 year old.

>>33449987
>>33450007
Also I felt it kind of goes without saying but obviously if she agrees to see you, make fucking sure you can actually reflect on the things she told you and are not just looking at her to tell you what to do or how to change. She already told you some things apparently so make sure you have concrete suggestions for things you could try, or explanations you didn't earlier. You need to offer her something new if you want her to reconsider how she feels after years with you.

Also I don't like to say this but do consider whether you find it this difficult to make a play for your own long term (ex) partner because you truly are just a kind of emotionally distant/aloof person in general and not in touch with your own inner self much, or that you simply are attached to her but do not like her romantically enough to be able to know what to say, if you know what I mean. There is a difference between feeling a lot and not knowing how to say it or not knowing because you don't have feelings guiding you.

>>33450004
>Differences between economic level and IQ are nowhere near comparable as the difference
They're actually way more important than age (past a point obviously). I could take someone who lives in abject poverty in a third world country into my middle class American house overnight and make them do tons of gross shit they don't wanna do in order to coerce them to stay. I could marry a woman with down syndrome and basically manipulate her and game her disability benefits among other things while treating her like shit.
>16 year old and a 50 year old you pedo.
Cry about it

>>33450006
>3.5 years
Bruh...
I thought you were going to say a few months.

>What should I write then?
If what you want to do is become a better partner for her, because you truly love her, then tell her that.
Unlike the other anon, I am kind of hesitant to give you an exact statement, because I feel like that would deceive her, if you understand what I mean.

>>33449974
This is super cold. I've been talked to like this and all it does is push someone away even more

>>33450002
>The law is set the way it is for a reason
16 is the compromise for all the pedophilic men in politics who oppose raising the age of consent which across the world used to be 13 or none. Look how long it took Japan to raise their national age of consent, it wasn't until 2023 that they finally raised it from 13 to 16 while many prefectures already had it at 18 because it's easier to pass at the prefectural level.

Missing my corner spider. Haven't seen it in a week already. He caught so many mosquitoes.

>>33450011
Is it time already to ruin my night?

>>33449909
nta, which gun would you choose

>>33450018
If it's okay to manipulate lonely mentally ill men with mommy issues then it's okay to manipulate young women with daddy issues too.

>>33450020
>There is a difference between feeling a lot and not knowing how to say it or not knowing because you don't have feelings guiding you.
There’s a lot that I feel, I just don’t know how to say it and I fear that whatever I do say makes me sound pathetic and needy, even tho I romantically want her, not just my emotions

>>33450011
giggity

>>33450027
Ruin? You mean make your night better?

>>33450021
Hags everywhere we are heading into a bleak future where sexually frustrated women try to stop younger women from having children and fight to stay relevant

>>33450029
>young women
You mean minors

>>33450033
Left most is hottest.

>>33450029
Yeah I’m thinking based

>>33450018
>emotional maturity
define 'emotional maturity'. I've met 12 year olds more mature than 20 year olds. Biologically speaking, humans don't reach full maturity until about 25 years old. 18, 16, 21; they're arbitrary numbers we pick just because they sound good to us.

>>33450032
I didn’t really have any plans besides recovering from today.

>>33450029
Um akshually men are evil and don't deserve even a small moment of happiness because they're garbage and I hate them

>>33450027
>cat poster is in heat again

>>33450021
Unless they have mental issues, poor people can understand what you're dying, and understand that you're trying to manipulate them. Down people have more problems, that's why they're so protected. Still, many of them can understand the consequences of marriage and sex. I already explained in the other post why 16 year old can't understand the consequences of having sex with a 50 year old.

>>33450030
Perfect, that's exactly the kind of thing you should be telling her if she is open to talking. If you have a hard time letting your guard down, admitting that is ironically a huge step in letting your guard down even if it's just at the mentioning stage.

Of course it will not be an easy thing to change and you can only change it if you legitimately want to. But if you want to have a shot at changing her mind you need to tell her something like this, because it shows you are making an effort to open up to her and be real, come closer.

>>33449993
Yeah and the guy used to be someone's son who wanted to be a superhero and drink soda and ride bikes around the block and was a cute dork. now he pays whores for intimacy because he can't find it anywhere else.
Honestly it seems like a match made in heaven.

>>33450040
Well thats good, plenty of free time ;)

>>33450039
>pajeet ESL third world still hasn’t got arranged marriaged yet at 25
He is still developing bro just give him time bro

>>33450029
Are there actual correlations between financial fetishes, loneliness, mental illness and strained relationships with mother figures? I'd like to read the paper, if you can link it

>>33450041
>some men can only have happiness by abusing others
This is what you essentially just said.

>>33450029
You keep arguing as if the men who are into findom are all mentally ill, when that's not even the case most of the time. You're argument starts on a flawed assumption.

>>33450053
Its not abuse

I find these age gap discussions tedious. In terms of actual data, age gap relationships are becoming LESS common, especially in younger cohorts, with couples being rarely more than two years apart.

>>33450050
I have time and options.
Don’t worry, I’m sure LinusTech will still love you.

>>33450034
>minors
not according to the law where I live.

>>33450055
Anon literally used the word "manipulate".

>>33450056
>washed up hag posting
That’s because these relationships are based on purely social status and don’t last more than a few months zoomers are undatable

>>33450042
I don’t understand the picrel

>>33450029
Findomfags are rich adult men with the independence to get a therapist or improve themselves by other means to find a partner. Victimizing them by equating their circumstances to a groomed teenager is pretty pathetic

*yawns* Yeah cool story. *walks away*

>>33450059
Okay, and?

>>33450058
NTA but where, if I may ask? The age of consent is 16 where I live but people under 18 are still legally children

>>33450058
>>33450024

>>33450065
Me, when I, unfortunately, run into someone from my past who is bragging about their current life.

>>33450039
Like I said, maturity to understand the consequences of what they're doing. Enough to not fall for the first mature guy who says what they want to hear. Enough to not get manipulated and used for sex. Enough to not give in to peer pressure or their desire to claim their autonomy.

Maybe the ages are a bit arbitrary, maybe it should be 15 or 17, whatever. I still argue in favor of mental maturity and understanding consequences.

You still haven't replied. If according to you a 16 year old is mentally and physically mature enough to have sex with a 50 year old guy, why not 14, or 12? I already explained why I'm against it. Why aren't you in favor?

>>33450064
>Findomfags
Finnish domination?

>>33450046
How does this sound? I also legitimately did this too during the 2 weeks we weren’t talking. This isn’t a lie

>>33449989
>>33449992
>>33450010
Thank you, if you're not just saying it to be nice it's reassuring

>>33450000
It's silly but I got back to the kitchen and realized I'd forgotten to ask about condiments specifically and felt so shy and dumb about needing to go back and bug them again

>>33450063
https://vetexplainspets.com/cat-in-heat-q-tip-method

>>33450073
Financial domination
It would be nice to be dommed by a Finnish girl though

>>33450073
Financial domination, you mental retort.

>>33450057
NTA but you get bullied in every thread just stop it’s so cringe you obviously don’t belong here, you have been kicked out twice already by your own thread crush JH this is a white mans thread

>>33450080
Haha retard can't spell retard

Got turnt w housemates n trying to convince my friend who gave me cigar and stuff earlier to come clubbing lol
Roll for luck guyz n hope you have a lovely Sat too xoxoxo

>>33450067
...
You know what, nevermind.
Do whatever you think is good.

findomfags really are retarded huh. they chose to throw all their money at a chick and then cry that they were groomed

>>33450064
>Findomfags are rich adult men with the independence
Uhhh, source? Are we actually making sure it's not young men sending their mcdonalds paychecks to you? I mean of couse we're not, because they're just disposable trash to you.

>>33450087
Lmao if you ran out of arguments, just say so.

>>33450081
Of course it is, you need all the group theory, since functioning in real life is a foreign concept.
And I don’t even know how JH is.

>>33450085
Any translators in?

>>33450074
It's a lot better than your previous message. I still feel the tone is too sullen overall, too rational too. I also feel that there's plenty of room to say you understand after she refuses rather than in advance.

At the same time there's no point crafting the ideal message if it's too far removed from the level of emotional openness you would be offer to her face to face anyway. And after all that time together, how hopeful she is or isn't will probably hugely depend on how she feels since breaking up, whether she misses you, how much hope she sees looking back. So yes I would just go with this and remember what I said, if she's open to it, make sure that you have as much as possible you can share with her to not just tell her you understand more of yourself but let her share in that. Realizations, observations about yourself, memories that might help her make sense of how you became who you are today, anything at all. Good luck.

>>33450089
And are you making sure that the 16 year old girls you want to fuck are not groomed or looking for approval? I mean of course not, to you they're just holes.

>>33450075
>It's silly but I got back to the kitchen and realized I'd forgotten to ask about condiments specifically
lol don't worry.
Just say you checked what you have in the fridge and then ask them like I said. It will take less than 10 to 15 seconds.

>>33450090
>projecting

>>33450087
That happened?

>>33450092
You are the foreign concept fuck off you annoying street shitter ENTJ please take him away

>>33450101
Cry about it.

>>33450086
I've been manipulated so I dont see any problem with it. Its clearly the norm with women. They want to be manipulated and they want to manipulate you.

>>33450107
but you were crying first? lol ;p

>>33450089
Don't tell me that you got payed a findomme, regretted it or something and that's why you're so salty?

>>33450024
weaponised cope.

>>33450076
Well you learn something new everyday.

>>33450101
He is a mentally ill pajeet living with his parents past 25 bro has never seen a white woman irl its actually sad really

>>33450110
Yeah, yeah, everyone who replies to you is a crying wojak and you're the chad.

>>33450114
That's why we're here!

Do women get horny?
I don't know much about them because I am afraid of them.

AND THE RIVERS RAN RED!

>>33449986
Can't tell if this is bait, but obviously no that would not be annoying

>>33450117
sorry you blew your paycheck on an egirl you fuckin retard kek

>>33450114
Important question: are you brown?

>>33450113
Japanese people look like underdeveloped hobbits compared to us that’s why pedophilia is so rampant in major cities I don’t disagree with anon

>>33450116
I am actually Mizrahi Jewish and have indeed seen a gentile woman, I paid her for a combined penis and prostate massage.

>>33450116
Hm, I think you're mistaking me for another anon. Although if you're the same as the one schizo posting about pajeets this morning, there's no point in talking with you.

>>33450094
Thanks for everything anon, I sent it. This is the emotional openness I can definitely achieve in person. Either way, I should probably go to therapy or meditate or do something serious to really get over this hurdle of mine. My ex was otherwise great and I’ve learned a lot because of her and I don’t want to ruin another relationship because of this reason. It’s such a shit way for things to end but I understand why she feels the way she does, it probably sucks for her too

>>33450111
No, but doesn't nearly every other femanon on 4chan have a story about how they were totally "raped" or "groomed" before?

>>33450131
>pajeet detected

>>33450072
>when they're old enough to understand the consequences
there are many people who never reach that stage of mental development. This is my point, how do you define it? You either pick an arbitrary age or judge every person individually. the former results in women crying about girls younger than them snatching up the desirable men, the latter results in probably about 30% of the population never gaining legal rights. take your pick.
>why not 12 or 14
my stance is when a man is capable of paying taxes and living on his own, be it 13 or 30. and women should never be able to give consent on their own, because they are the property of the eldest male of her immediate family.

>>33450126
I actually don't, in fact I know several places to download findom videos for free, which of course I find funny. I just thought that your take was retarded.

>>33449432
Just spend time with my baby so far.

>>33450093
Sorry my drilla let me translate into propa penglish innit 4 u wagwan n sitch update
I have consumed a formidable quantity of illicit substances amidst the presence of my compatriot lodgers. Furthermore, my acquaintance who I am familiar with from warehouse labour is kindly offering me to partake in the consumption of some pills that he has acquired from his kindred companions of the MDMA variety. Ergo, we are currently debating whether to become further inebriated and thereafter attend such an establishment that plays music of the United Kingdom jungle music style, and which happens to harbour a quantity of scantily clad women whomst one would consider to be of the alternative sort. Prithree, your counsel would be duly appreciated in this trying hour my drilla. Xxx

>>33450128
the only people who cry about paedophilia are bitter middle-aged women.

>>33449971
need help please!

>>33450122
Yes
>>33450127
No I am not

>>33450122
yes we do anon, yes we do

>>33450098
Thanks, I'm honestly relieved it may not be as annoying as I fear lol

>>33450131
Get the fuck out shitjeet we don’t like your kind

>>33450146
>No I am not
Okay good, marriage material
Brown girls are fun but you can't settle down with one

>>33450136
Ok, so we pick an arbitrary age (not so arbitraty because there's at least some baseline, similar level, but still) or we judge everyone individually. We do the former, how would you, realistically, implement the latter? As for women crying about younger girls, same as incels crying, baseless complaints. And people not gaining legal rights depends on what you consider an adequate level of maturity.

>and women should never be able to give consent on their own, because they are the property of the eldest male of her immediate family.

Lmao

>>33450126
You blew your NEETbux on curry porn and pooper eats

>>33450136
>and women should never be able to give consent on their own, because they are the property of the eldest male of her immediate family.
Good to know the people making these arguments are literal misogynistic pedos and/or jeets

>>33450142
You've done enough drugs for tonight me thinks.

>>33450152
>he’s trying to rape cat poster
NOOOOO SAAR YOU CANNOT HARASS THE WHITE WOMAN FUCKING BLOODY RAPIST DALIT BASTARD BITCH RAPE YOU TOMORROW SEXY JH LOVLEY

>>33450125
No, I just get a bit anxious about stuff like that sometimes. This helps though, so thank you

>>33450136
>says women are property while also advocating for underage girls' "rights" to get fucked by an older man
The fact that the age of consent is solely opposed by men really does say a lot

>>33449523
He should go to prison then, so he only gets to rape gay men and hopefully be put out of his misery.

>>33450160
Its not rape if cat poster is consenting
If cat poster wants my dick and her ass slapped, she can and you can't do anything about it

>>33450072
The other anon is correct. Maturity past puberty is largely just defined by individual experience. Alexander the Great became king of one of the most powerful states in the world at 20 and ran it very competently, compare him to the average 20 year old nowadays who vapes mango peach and works at Burger King.

>>33450136
lol you fucking schitzo.

>>33449974
unlike the other anons, i think the message is largely okay, it does come off calculated but also if that's how you are and how you write, then that's kinda how you are. mostly it's stuff like "at the level you want" that comes off as kinda cold, as it kind of implies that it's her problem AND optional, and not your problem which is generally not a good attitude to have in a relationship (it's a good attitude to practice at times, but it's not a good one to have generally). this is the reason probably that anons are saying it's cold i'd reckon.

>>33450136
Based

>>33450159
All I've had is alcohol... ): why u so mean

>>33449552
Why would they not be? That implies that you did something without obtaining someone's consent ahead of time.

>>33450136
>snatching up the desirable men
Desirable men already met their woman in high school/college or otherwise through their enriched social network. Only undesirables are desperate enough to prey on young girls who don't know better

>>33449419 (OP)
No

>>33450174
Shut up ghislaine maxwell

>>33450173
Sorry if I came off mean friend. I just don't think mixing pills and alcohol is a good idea.

That escalated quickly. Good night everyone I will remember you all in therapy.

>>33450169
Sure, but things are not the same. Kids are not sent to work at 10, or to the war with 16. I understand that some people can be more mature than others, but I still argue that there's a similar, baseline level, around 16-18 years, where most people more or less are mature enough to understand some things better.

Like I said in the other comment, how do you realistically judge everybody's maturity level? Where do you draw the line of the acceptable level of maturity? It might show itself in different ways for different people.

>>33450182
Dw we won't have any more drinks, rn he just wants to do the pills and maybe go club

>>33450183
Bye or whatever the kids say these days.

>>33450188
Take it all.

>>33450165
I never advocated for young girls being able to consent. you're talking to more than one person.
I stated my belief, women can never consent because they're never mature enough to make sound reproductive choices.

>>33450183
Bye.

>>33450183
Goodnight, sorry for the mess.

>>33450174
i hate consent worshippers, like 99% of all interactions generally, not even sexually or romantically, are non-consensual and just happen. shit, your ENTIRE existence is set up in a non-consensual fashion. consent as a value in-of-itself is so damn empty

>>33450169
>Alexander the Great
>King
He was an emperor, not a king. A king rules a single nation and their culture and distinct people. An emperor rules over multiple kingdoms of distinct cultural identities.

>>33450192
Agreed, look at your mother, she took the wrong choice.

>>33450168
I wished the delta strain wiped you fucking street shitters off the face of the earth

>>33450169
Average life expectancy was also 20-30 during Alexander the Great's time. 20 back then isn't the same as 20 now, species take longer to mature as their life expectancy increases

>>33450188
Just stay safe and don't drive. you probably have experience and know what you're doing. Have fun

>>33450183
Have a good night and a pleasant tomorrow.

>>33450199
>Average life expectancy was also 20-30 during Alexander the Great's time.
For the lowest of peasants maybe.

>>33450195
NTA but you're not mistaking explicit consent with tacit consent, right? If you kiss a girl and she pulls you closer there's tacit consent despite her not giving explicit permission.

>>33450196
so trump is an emperor?

>>33450203
Which was over 90% of the population

>>33450204
it's an arbitrary distinction

>>33450198
I'm not Indian, dude. What the fuck is with you Indians and accusing others of being Indian? Is it because you know we hate you and there is no worse insult than someone being thought of as being one of you people?

>>33450199
>>33450203
>>33450207
This is including infant mortality. If you remove infant mortality and other childhood deaths then life expectancy was comparable to ours. Once you make it to age 10, you're set for another 40 to 60 years.

>>33450207
Look up average life expectancy... without infant mortality.

>>33450186
Puberty, or rather 16 - 18, because that is when everyone has finished it. The only other possible age would be going all the way up to 25 when our brains have fully developed, which is completely ridiculous and pretty much only the most bitter of post-wall feminist roasties ever seriously consider this.

>>33450209
If you interacted with people, you'd realise that it really isn't. Subtext is important.

>>33450205
Objectively yeah, America is kinda an empire. Its more like a giant Yugoslavia that works.

State gender
Left or right?

>>33450200
Can't drive but thx loo
Gonna meet him in a sec x

Nibbling on femanon's earlobe

It's always funny when people think that 20 year olds in the past where all grey haired wrinkled boomers

>>33450221
>grey haired wrinkled boomer
Actually how my mother shat me into this world of ours.

>>33450215
ultimately consent rests on some agent deciding whether or not to participate prior to actually participating, so i would argue it really is. communication of that consent is a separate issue, but orthogonal to consent (in the same way that my lunch's existence is orthogonal to me telling you about it)
>If you interacted with people
guilty! i don't interact with people

>>33450218
M
Left

>>33450220
how silly!

>>33450220
Mine has pimples on it from my greasy hair

>>33450211
>>33450212
For the life expectancy to be 40-60 you have to also assume they never died from war, famine, or the plague. Why wouldn't you factor in those things?

>>33450222
We all start out fat, bald, and wrinkled

>>33450199
Humans live roughly 60 years if they make it through infancy. Really up to about 80 years it's just a dice roll whether you get cancer or not assuming you don't get a nasty infection or die of outside causes like famine and such.

>>33450178
lmao "I totally didn't want Leonardo DiCaprio anyway" sour grapes

>>33450196
He became king of Macedon at 20. He had not yet conquered his empire, and I don't think he was ever even officially referred to as the title of emperor before.

>>33450147
What is women horny like. Like what do you fantasise about? How often does it happen? Do you masturbate?

>>33450197
indeed, and so did yours and a good majority of other women of the last 75 years. did you think I was gonna defend boomers? kek

>>33450195
>>33450181
>the thread rape shitters are awake
I'm off to bake some coconut shrimps and watch the end of wedding crashers again. Bye losers.

>>33450223
Not really, consent can really come and go, depending on several things. If you don't like a restaurant you can go, despite being implicit that once you sit down, you won't leave until you're done. If you're making out with someone and then they say something that repulses you, you can stop and leave despite the implicit promise of sex. Weird examples, but it's late and I can't think of much. The point is that consent is not predetermined nor out of anyone's hands.

>>33450229
No? Life expectancy statistics already include those. Life expectancy is automatically an inclusive statistic, which is why we have to remove infant mortality in the first place.

>>33450229
>Why wouldn't you factor in those things?
We sorted out something very, very specific.

>>33450228
real? Never seen that

>>33450233
>Leonardo DiCaprio
Current year dicaprio looks like a troll

4channers are the greatest and smartest people on planet earth. Sure there are some sour grapes here and there but we shall inherit the earth mark my words. You and I shall rule.

>>33450234
He was never referred to as an emperor but all the land he conquered definitely could've been if he had decided to stick a title to it and named an actual heir.

>>33450229
NTA but the point is our brains haven't changed that much, 20 was still considered young in the past. It's only been the last few decades that extending adolescence into your 30's has become somewhat normalized and even then not really

>>33450237
Begone

>>33450210
>I am not indian dude
>your people
Subhuman dalit visajeet shitjeet detected

>>33450238
that doesn't really refute anything that i say, i never made the claim that consent is some invariant property. i guess my loose wording maybe implied that, but of course a future instance of time is still something you're looking at ahead of time, and just because you have consent during an event at some time 0 doesn't mean you have consent for some event at time 5, and you might not realize you don't actually want to participate in event until you learn some information at time 2 (or 3 or 4). it is a choice to consider "sex" or "eating" here as a single unit.

That's all my energy gone. I am exhausted. Good night

if i eat a lot and only do arm/leg/core workouts, will i be fat only in my boobs and ass?

>>33450252
no

>>33450251
sleep well anon, thanks for the interesting discussions!

>>33450249
Learn English, you inbred pajeet
Your people, as in Indians
Fucking retard

>>33450253
aw man

>>33450250
That's what I understood when you said that "consent rests on some agent deciding whether or not to participate prior to actually participating". I'm afraid I don't get your point then.

>>33450237
Hunger Games was the best imo Catching Fire was kinda cool but the forced politics was abit much parts 1 and 2 was fucking gay but the pods scene was something out of a horror movie and the ending was still shit, she cucked chad because she no longer had to rely on him for survival and settled for incel cuck who tried to kill her and will probably have a PTSD moment and kill the baby

>>33450252
Spot exercising is a myth. Your body gains fat all over and your body loses fat all over.

>>33450252
If you took estrogen more fat would go to your ass, thighs, and tits

>>33450251
Goodnight, I'll remain here to torture myself some more.

>>33450243
he still slays 23 year old pussy on the reg.

>>33449936
*squeaky pink glitter marker drawing a heart over valentines day*

>>33450255
Fucking kek pajeet melty 24/7 in the call centre

>>33450255
Lmao pajeet got mad because he doesn't know proper english.

>>33450225
Any reason in particular?

>>33450269
Fuck off cunt

>>33450267
Ergo he's desperate and abusing his wealth and fame to fuck girls 30 years younger than him because he couldn't settle down while he was still handsome

>>33450218
M
Right.

>>33450270
Many such cases

>>33450260
just pointing out the arbitrary nature of those that act like consent is a sacred concept worth respecting. rape isn't bad because of the lack of consent, it's bad because it inherently relies on victimizing another through force, is physically/psychologically/socially damaging, etc. i don't have any problems with tacit consent, and in fact i even thinking having sex while (purposefully) drunk is consensual (you consented to putting yourself into a state where you'll make different choices).

>>33450274
Suck my dick you fagjeet lmao 24/7 melty hotline

>>33449973
pls no

>>33449978
i will fold in half like a lawn chair be gentle ㅠㅠ

the business of trading pokemon cards is retarded

>>33450218
M
Right, taking off a girls glasses and I'm the only thing she can see is cute

I hate women.

>>33450283
why

Do women imagine themselves having sex with men they're attracted to?

>>33450280
I see. In any case, I'd argue that consent is an expression of our free will, and that violating it is something serious. I think that in a way, the point of victimizing others through force is to nullify their consent or lack of it. What do you think?

>>33450218
right because she sweats like crazy and that's a massive green flag

>>33450281
Said the guy having a melty lmao, indians can't help but project

>>33450282
hi chairman, admiral here. how do you hope to break my heart, tear it to pieces, and throw every piece into a fire tonight?

>>33450287
imagine willing to spend thousands of dollars on some bullshit ching chong card instesd on investing that money on something that actually produces value

>im not indian dude
>your people

>>33450199
>Average life expectancy was also 20-30 during Alexander
cap
>>33450211
God bless GPT

>>33450288
Yes? What kind of question is that? Being horny is normal for humans

>>33450288
I do. why wouldn't we? we're not like moids who can jerk off to a picture of tits or a closeup of piv

>>33450269
>>33450270
>>33450274
>>33450281
>>33450291

Lmao you're a pajeet, he's a pajeet, everyone's a pajeet.

>>33450274
Don’t swear infront of the white man you are lucky we even gave you crops to grow your shit food, show some respect dalit untouchable benchode saar

>>33450288
I heard that some even get to have sex with them. Crazy shit, I know.

>>33450298
>>33450299
I thought they just fantasized about guys being nice and responsible and good fathers and husband and shit like that, not actual sex.

>let's see how mad i can make this guy by grossly misinterpreting what he said until he threatens to kill me and my pajeet family so I can ban him
Redditor behavior

women belong in the fucking kitchen

>>33450303
theyre part of the fantasy too, they enhance the sex

>>33450300
Holy shit he’s having a full blown melty code brown everybody shit the deck bbbrrrrraaaaapppppp pooooooo fffaarrrrrrttttttttt melty service 24/7 is down call for back up saars!

>>33450267
>slays
*pays prostitutes to beard cause he's deepstate closet gay.
I now have to come back because myao is here.
*inhaling coconut shrimps*

>>33450301
I'm not an Indian you stupid braindead fucking waste of oxygen
Kill yourself

>>33450272
Left just feels more relaxed and happier. Plus the staying together forever bit

>>33450309
Fuck off. I know I'm not a pajeet, so therefore you must be one.

>>33450312
>im not indian
>your people

>>33450303
>guys being nice and responsible and good fathers and husband and shit like that, not actual sex.
I fantasize all of that every day...

would you date someone who's work is profesional sport betting

>>33450314
>your people logic

>>33450268
Nice :)

>>33450319
>gambling
>work
How much do you make and how safe is it

>>33450318
So not sexual fantasies then, just thinking about having a nice partner.

>>33450312
Lmao your people

>>33450314
You will never be white dalit chan

>>33450317
Yes I said that retard, what are you having struggles with understanding you mentally stunted chimp? Your people, as in Indians you stupid cunt

>>33450289
i think we should throw all parents into prison for non-stop violating the consent of their children when e.g. making them eat vegetals and putting them to bed so gosh darn early.
surely you must agree? or perhaps consent is simply not a useful metric

>>33450324
but there's still sex?

>>33450307
Do you just want me to make something for you?

>>33450329
>your people
>lmao

>>33450330
That's different. Everybody understands that kids need to be educated because they're unable to look after themselves and make the choices that will benefit them. So no, I disagree because I don't think this particular example is useful.

>>33450303
No, they dont. They dont want good men, they want criminals and dangerous guys to protect them

>>33449469
Never will understand why women accept trannies wholeheartedly

I am incapable of not feeling jealous of other women, please kill me

>>33450262
Yes, yes, charlie was in hunger games.
Thank you for bringing it up.
*smooches picture*

Gonna be honest, had nothing to do with the pajeet argument and decided to pretend to be the other anon to see how retarded you could be. Going to sleep now.

>>33450314
>self hating pajeet calls himself out
I never someone perform this much mental gymnastics to not be indian, must be like a curse or something

>>33449981
i admit defeat how do people even think of this stuff (っ,,- ‸ - ,,ς)

>>33450012
ning ?

>>33450028
colt python 375 magnum (this is the only gun i know ( ;´ - `;))

>>33450344
Kill yourself you worthless piece of dogshit

>>33450342
If you're actually willing to listen to advice for one, I could try to help.

>>33450331
But do you actually visualize/fantasize about the act itself? Or you just think about home life and consider the sex a given.

>>33450290
Mmmm
Why is sweating a red flag?

>>33450347
lmao pajeet got mad go have another bowl of poopoo

>>33450352
>red
Green*

>>33450342
Why can't we b friens

>>33450277
>couldn't
didn't want to. because women threw and continue to throw themselves at him. thanks for conceding

>>33450293
what if i eat it ?

>>33450306
>im a sad lonley pajeet here are some poojeet facts about me please don’t fuck me in my bumchode saar

>>33450344
Join the discord he hates it lmao

>>33449469
no

>>33450337
that's what i mean though, because there's so many "but it depends" when consent is involved, which means that consent as a property is not a useful one for determining stuff because most of the time, it isn't the property that determines whether or not something is appropriate. i agree with you, by the way, that it's fine for parents to violate the consent of their children (though side note that hopefully people here try to parent in a way that affirms their children's choices). i just really can't think of any situation where consent is a meaningful thing to pay attention to. like consent isn't even always positive! addicts will consent to taking drugs! unless you want to get into the weeds of what exactly is "you" and is making choices, at which point consent is an even more worthless concept

>>33450342
we could twin !!

friends :3

>>33450343
I hope you get AIDS and PCOS and Legionnaire's disease and metastatic cancer all at once.

>>33450351
>But do you actually visualize/fantasize about the act itself?
yes, in great detail too

>>33450363
You're not fooling anyone saar.

>>33450363
Eat my shit, Ranjesh, I'm sure you'll enjoy it

>>33450361
i thought you said you were korean, not aztec! is there anything i know about you that isn't a lie? ;_;

Average woman would never touch a pajeet...

>>33450343
Literally one of the most boring content creators he’s sole purpose to nulify and docile the zoomer population

>>33450379
Good

>>33450342
You just need really good girl friends and you'll realize male attention ain't shit

Well, I reached out and she said it was a definitive not getting back together. It's time to move on now, thanks to everyone for sharing your wisdom with me

>>33450342
This just sounds like the average woman

>>33450379
lmao sorry for you then rajeesh saar

>>33450381
He's not asmongold

>see a chicks pic on ig
>comment on it into her dms, say it looks pretty
>She thanks me
>Sends me a pic of her leg with a empty glass from a bar / pub
>I reply to "drink responsibly :)"
>She replies hour later "i didnt"

What was meant by this

>>33450372
I think more men could be lonlier. :)
I'm not really seeing this lonliness epidemic. There were thousands of couples out enjoying themselves this saturday. And you choose to seethe on this forum. :)

>>33450388
sorry anon. sucks. i know it's hard, but try not to be too down about it.

>>33450393
NTA but I have trouble telling him apart from asmongold too lol

>>33450381
You mean Pirate Software? The guy with no career now?

>>33450397
NTA
If I were lonelier, my subatomic particles would leave me.

>>33450403
>>33450407
"Normie grifter meant to pacify zoomer men" can be it's own category

>>33450394
I'm too terrified to use ig or social media. I'm too autistic and not Chad enough

>>33450355
My colorblind ass be like

>>33450349
I’ll listen.. I promise

>>33450359
>>33450371
Okay we’re friends :)

>>33450384
I lost all my friends in march 2020 and haven’t made any more

>>33450390
Idk a lot of women I’ve met in college appear very self assured in their appearance

>>33450397
I'm being serious. I hope you get shot by a mugger.

>>33450378
noo im not aztec !

if i ate it u would be a part of me forever ^ㅂ^

>>33450420
I knew it, myao is a vorefag

>>33450418
>I lost all my friends in march 2020 and haven’t made any more
Go to social events/clubs at your college?

>>33450420
aw chairman, i feel like there are other things of mine you could eat just as well that i don't need to live, don't you think?
SERIOUS ANSWERS ONLY.

>>33450418
Have you ever used a menorah as a dildo before?

>>33450418
>>33450371
>Okay we’re friends :)
Yay girltoga girl!-to!-ga!
More women! Less men!

2 quick questions ladies...do you guys go to bars by yourselves to look for potential bf's? and if so does buying a drink for you if i think your pretty help start a conversation?

>>33450424
NTA, but what happens when you're +30 and don't live in your college town anymore? Please tell me how to fix myself.

>>33450416
Dude i look like a literal ogre and i msg 9/10s, as in this case

myao, what is your attachment style?

>>33450432
Do you use a profile pic that isn't you or did you get a flattering picture? Why would women be into you? Is it because you're tall?

>>33450429
i don't go to bars in general, not sure aboit others though

>>33450438
*about

>>33450436
>Is it because you're tall?
Not them, but I'm 6'5 and stilll a loser. It's not height dependent nor an instant-win cheat code.