Thread 33451746

How true is this? I'm a 21 year old virgin and I've never had any obvious signs either

Nah

>>33451746 (OP)
Very probably. But it shouldn't concern you, even if you don't live to appease women but live for what's right.
The world rejected, the world hated Him first.

>>33451746 (OP)
im a severely shy/socially anxious woman and throughout my whole life (im 28 now) whenever I had a crush on somebody I couldnt even look in their direction and tried to avoid them completely
it got somewhat better over the years, but that is why i had only a few boyfriends
some girls might be acting in a very obvious way
but this post is demoralizing and pointless, and not even true, because if im like this, more women must be like this. besides, you shouldnt wait for signs, dating as a man seems almost impossible, you should take any chance to ask a girl out, even if there are 0 signs, otherwise you dont have a chance

>>33451746 (OP)
It seems like bait to me.

>>33451780
men and women live in completely different worlds
you can't even fathom what this post is talking about
just shut the fuck up

>>33451790
what do you fucking mean? the post states that all women give obvious signs
im telling you ive never given any kind of sign in my life
how is that something a man would know better
op, btw my first boyfriend was a shut in 21 yo virgin, we met on an online forum

>>33451790
Also bait. Kill yourself.

>>33451790
just because i was born with this extreme privilege of having a pussy im not so out of touch with reality as you think. i had a shit life, schizophrenic mum, home was an absolute mess, abusive grandparents raised me, in school i was the ugly girl and everyone bullied me quite hard, when i got home my grandma laughed at me for being such a pussy
but im sure not getting pussy is just as bad man
fuck you

>>33451746 (OP)
They're only obvious if you've learned, seen, heard, or read about them before and can now recognize them. If you're anything like me, as a dumbass 17 year old, I couldn't see shit. And some of the signs were really blatant. Lol

>>33451746 (OP)
>I have never received le signal

by the way, the guy who makes those posts made out with like 7 different women at parties
The girls who gave him plenty of signals, the girls who asked him out over datng apps, the ones who straight up asked him to be his girlfriend - he ignored and ditched them all because he was scared that he might be humiliated in one way or another.

>>33451746 (OP)
basic crab bucket demotivational thread. Yet virgins have no way of knowing if it's true or not, so its very effective.

>>33451746 (OP)
>How true is this?
It is very true- but only for women who have had extensive socializing skills/prior relationships. They would be the ones to actively open themselves up to strangers for new flings. If they're the oldschool, traditional type- they might actually be more secretive or would only let their feelings be known by letting you know. I've had both types.
>I've never had any obvious signs either
that's why there's that viral meme short video about how women give hints they want you to approach in public- they would literally only give you a quick eye-contact or a smirk. It can be as simple as being in close-proximity to you purposefully or being overly friendly in conversation.
>what is "The Three Second Rule"?
once they give you this signal or hint, you have that much time to decide to initiate an approach or reject it. Guys fuck this up and think they can come back days later to a cashier somewhere because they showed signs in the first meeting. If you get this sign, you can even get her contact info right away and stop wasting time. This is too much free game already.

>>33451780
>you should take any chance to ask a girl out, even if there are 0 signs
You cannot be serious

>>33451746 (OP)
>How true is this?
Not true at all. You've had women interested in you and didn't notice, I guarantee it.

>>33451746 (OP)
It's probably true. If they like you, they'll give you a pass for many things. You can be pretty weird or retarded to them, and it'll still be fine.

>>33451746 (OP)
I have been in situations where it was obvious and ones where I was oblivious. I think it depends heavily on the girl.

>>33451942
>they would literally only give you a quick eye-contact or a smirk.
some of them but some do more. I'm honestly 6/10 or less and have gotten sustained staring and smiling and her angling herself towards me to see if i smile at what she says

it's not all super secret and subtle

>>33452208
>If they like you, they'll give you a pass for many things. You can be pretty weird or retarded to them, and it'll still be fine.
Literally just touch them on a shoulder or elbow and see if they make you move your hand. You don't have to ask them out and you'll have an answer

>>33451746 (OP)
Not true. Girls rarely, if ever, give signals.

It is on you, the man, to initiate. I say this as an attractive guy who has bagged a fair number of girls.

>>33451746 (OP)
absolutely true. I used to imagine all sorts of signs from women, then I met this one girl at a party who was practically hanging on me, laughing at even the stupidest of my jokes, you know that friendly way that women do, and then she stuck her hand down my pants and started playing with my dick while telling me how wet she was and that's how I knew her signals weren't a figment of my imagination.

>>33451746 (OP)
wrong, and biased.
My last ex complained that I ditched her twice befre we get together. I never even realized that she was into me more than a friend. Not just me not any other who saw us at any given time. So yes. the "signs" are not always obvious.

>>33451746 (OP)
“Instantly know” i have several times been hinted by girls. But several times it has taken me months to figure out.

>>33451746 (OP)
It can be a bit of a ping pong thing. You as a guy can let her catch you checking her out, then she shows receptiveness to your interest.

A lot of incels have the problem discussed in the meme about the 'I don't desire you energy' that I can't find right now.

>>33451780
>Few boyfriends
Classic

Im too autistic for these meme 0.3 second signals.

>>33451746 (OP)
Got with a girl relatively recently for the first time. Asked me after about an hour of sex if I get with women often. Tells me she hasn't been with a guy for 4 years. Doesn't really believe me. Next date after sex again, asks the question in another roundabout way saying I haven't had sex for a while, I say 2 years again, she says its been a while.
Women just know

>>33451780
Lady, men get called disgusting pigs who only think with their dicks and who don't think in a sophisticated way like women. If us men can handle that and still have a positive attitude, you can too if we talk about women. Yes it feels off and degrading, but when you are with your friends talking about how dumb men are, it ain't that different. The only exception that we have you don't is a small tough group of the opposite gender supporting our oppositional views. Trust me if you go back to your girl friends telling them how much pigs are we won't give a fuck.

>>33452253
>I'm insecure so i need to lie on 4chan for superiority points
kek

>>33451790
basedola

idk, some women do all those obvious signals (smiling, laughing whenever you joke, touching arms, etc) and still hit you with "oh i just want to be friends" or "i have a boyfriend".

women are generally more sociable, bubbly, and friendly but there really is no guarantee they're into you until you are literally told straight up.

>>33451746 (OP)
Old fag here, it's very true. Once you hang around with an attractive guy friend you will instantly see women checking him out, it's about as obvious as it gets. It'll break you though.

Yes it's true but only from ugly women.

>>33451746 (OP)
Yeah, because when a woman really wants you, she will pursue you, not the other way around.

>>33451746 (OP)
he's talking about "the look"
girls are kinda obvious when they think you're hot/cute
even the meme about when girls just give you a little cold glance instead of actually engaging in a smile, even that is kinda obvious

>>33451780
>i had only a few boyfriends
lol cute larp

Imagine if they give you signals and you were aware and you were still too much of a pussy to do anything and then you leave and start violently screaming at yourself as youre crying in your car driving home ha ha

>>33451746 (OP)
you have an aura around you that every women gets a notification of when they come within 30yd of you.
you can tell by the fact that only old and married women want to talk to you or befriend you, while you can't recall the last time you spoke to a single woman your own age.

>>33451746 (OP)
I'm 34. They're not obvious, and that post is just trying to get you to stop trying. Also, you could just be obtuse. I had a girl in hs run her hands through my hair in class and say it was soft and how great it looked, and I just froze like an animal being stalked by a predator because I thought she was bullying me.

It's more likely that you had tunnel vision on someone who didn't like you and never noticed anyone else who actually did

>>33456777
Nah, I've had multiple girls come up to me and touch my hair. They just like your hair, dude.

>>33456777
there are some very strong signs like staring at you with 'owl eyes' the first time you meet, it's subconscious so nothing the person has to do.

>>33456789
No, she told me she liked me the whole time after I was graduated and had a wife. It was very obvious in retrospect. Men, especially autists are mostly bad at this kind of shit. I've gotten a lot better about talking to women as I aged, especially after I got divorced. That being said, I tend to think I'm a pretty attractive guy, so there is that possibility, but women will flirt if you flirt back most of the time. Does that mean they're interested? Probably not, but for them it's something to do, and if you treat it as such, you'll find that some of them do have an interest in you.

>>33456785
Well, I just didnt believe that any girl could be actually interested in me. I just either friendzone them without me consciously understanding it or completely ignore the signs. Now that Im a khv in my 30s even if a girl would come to me and say that I like you, my reaction would be saying why, which would kill the mood.

>>33451746 (OP)
It can range from extremely esoteric and subtle to so extremely obvious that even Helen Keller could tell.

Generally speaking, if a girl likes you and is confident enough to pursue you, she'll create opportunities for you to ask her out. More bold ones will ask you out directly. Some signs include
>constantly smiling and staring at you
>laughing at your jokes even when they're terribly unfunny
>going out of their way to talk to you or be near you
>making excuses to spend time with you like "Man I really need someone to help me study" or "I really wanna see that new movie but I have no one to go with"
>If you're on social media, sliding into your DMs
>Her friends may come up to you and start ask questions like "Are you seeing anyone?" or "What do you think about Anonette over there?"

The signs become more apparent when you know what to look for, but sometimes the girl really could just be a social butterfly and treat everyone like that. If that happens, take the rejection and move on, don't take it personally. Courting is a game, you get better at it as you get more experience, so don't take it so seriously

>>33451746 (OP)
>How true is this?
Not even a little bit.
When women are very attracted to you they act more distant until you act.

>>33456907
>they act more distant
why would they do that?

>>33456937
Because dating is high risk

>>33456937
Most men are more shy around women they find attractive - why is that?

>>33456975
because being a cad with women can lead to accusations and destroy your future if you don't approach every single interaction carefully (a factor that women don't face whatsoever)

>>33456986
BZZZZZT!
Shitty lie from a demoralizing black pill loser.
Men being shy around women they find attractive *because the results of the interaction matter* is a trope over 500 years old.
Women are the same - they don't care about the guy? They are relaxed.
They worry they might mess up?
they get nervous and shy.
Also - look up the word 'Cad' because you;re using it wrong

>>33456975
Im like that and it baffles me.

>>33451746 (OP)
I get signs very often but im retarded and never taken any of them.

>>33457608
how do you know the signs are real and not your inexperience

> be me

> 21y/o costarrican minimum wage white(ish) nigger,

> meet the woman of my dreams,

> 24y/o diet torta with milkers to spare, a cute waste, a beautiful smile, an anal fetish, suicidal tendencies and family issues 6/10 qt, 3.14,

> met her at retarded collections job(don't fall for Sunnova scam, its literally made so that Dominican retards starve to death in a sea of debt, lol)

> I start chasing, buying her stuff, being a total beta simp fag for her because she had awooga sized titties,

> she distances for a while and i "move on',

> couple of months later she calls me and tells me to come over to "her house",

> she took me to her mom's house then she freaked it.mp3,

> we fuck everywhere, including in the bathroom that belonged to an old call center i used to work at,

> i was in love,
> couple of weeks passes and she tells me to take her to the looney bin because she had gone coo coo for cocoa puffs and wants to die,

> i panic because i had an ex that killed herself like a trannie on a trump rally,

> PTSD.jpeg

> I invent some fuckass excuse about my mom getting ill so i cant go,

> she dumps me,

> i don't even cry, just feel empty and alone,

> mfw i made a woman cum 3 times in a day, but now i can no longer fall in love with a woman,

> mfw i went from a slut that would eat she/her tranny dick in exchange of a little attention from a "woman" to a guy that treats women like another NPC slime in the matrix,

it's been 3 years annons, what can i do?

I think i took the Viagra pill and now I'm more flaccid than Hillary Clinton's tits.

I know that I sound like a faggy little pussy right now and instead of crying about this, i should clean some windshields like the good Mexican nigger slave i am, but i am just generally curious on what to do.

>>33458223
Not him, but believe me, when it's obvious it's obvious

>>33459592
>she want me to kiss her, then asked my number then ran away.
>she want to come over, after a night of drinking and laughing when I tried to kiss her she immediately cries
>she flirted with me 4 days straight but every tome I initiate more she pull away. Next day she slept with a guy who just met that day

Sure, ovious is obvious

>>33459643
There are always edge cases and crazy girls, but generally you can tell when it's genuine

>>33458223
Stalking all my socials for example.

>>33451801
You realize that most of the guys bitching about not getting pussy also grew up with fucked up, zero function families and were treated like shit at home and at school right?

>>33451746 (OP)
Some ugly girl came up to me in high school and asked me out, probably because I was friends with the cool kids and going out with them every weekend. I fucked her once then dumped her lol. Since then nobody gave me signals, they might have looked a certain way at me but I don't care about, if it's not obvious signals like Chad is getting, smiles, giggling, etc. then I'm not bothering to approach them, not worth the humiliation ritual.

>>33451746 (OP)
Wrong!

>>33457311
Because you care - there is a risk you will lose a chance.

>>33461155
>The one girl who genuinely liked you
Yeah no girl like that has ever existed though

>>33461383
But is there actually a risk?

>>33461434
Only a perceived risk to self-esteem.
The men that easily talk to pretty women also easily talk to male strangers - they do not have their self-esteem tied to a sort of 'if someone doesn't love me I might die' attitude
>a GROSS oversimplification of people in the bottom portions of Self-Evaluation/Self-Esteem
Women are much more concerned about social cues both with men and other women so are more likely to be hesitant about social errors, meaning they are more lilely than men to fear making a mistake in social interaction.
As a result a lot of women are less socially interactive with men they don't know but find attractive than men they don't know but do not find attractive.
Not all, but many.
There more going on, too, such as women with lower self-image/self-esteem are more likely to be attracted to introverted men, meaning the shy women are more likely to be attracted to the shy men.
Shy men are also much less likely to notice or recognize interested behavior from women
>they assume they are misunderstanding IF they notice
and this leads to a round-robin of neither of them being confident enough to make the first move.
Whenever i meet a man in real life that claims he has never had a woman flirt with him I just assume he is introverted

>>33456830
>girls don't even pay attention to me most of the time
>don't laugh at most stuff I say
>don't go out of their way to be near me/chat with me
>don't care if I exist or don't
>don't even know I exist on social media
>no girls ever asked me personal questions
>every time I have to initiate and it feels like they are disinterested at most
>when I tried to move forward with girls who were nice, got quickly shot down

It was a kick in the balls the first time I really acknowledged the fact that the vast majority of girls weren't actually attracted to me and the brief period in my 20s where I fooled myself into thinking that I just wasn't seeing signals was me clinging onto hope that I got from a bunch of pick-up artist websites after being mocked for most of my teenage years for having an unattractive face. I still occasionally end up reading too much into some minor behavior but at least I'm wise enough now to recognize it as delusion.

It's why it pisses me off so much when people mock simps and guys with oneitis. You faggots genuinely don't realize what it's like when you find a girl who actively likes you and isn't a completely unfuckable landwhale once every 5 years or so. It's easy to say "relax bro, so what if you mess up, plenty of girls out there" when you don't have to live with the knowledge that if you fuck this up, you likely won't have another opportunity for close to another decade.

>>33461956
It's also why so many of us cling to memories of that one girl who we actually had a chance with and blew it because it's possible we'll never get another one like that ever again.

>>33461956
>It's why it pisses me off so much when people mock simps and guys with oneitis. You faggots genuinely don't realize what it's like when you find a girl who actively likes you and isn't a completely unfuckable landwhale once every 5 years or so. It's easy to say "relax bro, so what if you mess up, plenty of girls out there" when you don't have to live with the knowledge that if you fuck this up, you likely won't have another opportunity for close to another decade.
if she says no she says no and you move on. oneitis is stupid and deserves mockery. if you're getting to the point where you idealize someone to the point of thinking they're once in a decade you already waited too long and self sabotaged. you need to ask earlier and move on if she says no

>>33461963
women aren't unique snowflakes. there's like 9 or 10 kinds and they repeat constantly

>>33461956
>It was a kick in the balls the first time I really acknowledged the fact that the vast majority of girls weren't actually attracted to me
What kind of weird, emotionally stunted, socially inept, naive, sheltered life do you lead?
'Only a small percentage of the opposite sex is actually attracted to me' is JUST LIFE.
That's why the non-insane, non-sheltered men keep telling you you have to have a rich, fulfilling life of your own FOR YOUR OWN SAKE because you AREN'T God's Gift to Women/men and you need to have a life and because that makes you more attractive to the opposite sex.
>It's why it pisses me off so much when people mock simps and guys with oneitis.
Again, do you live in a jail cell?
Simps are contemptable because they aren't trying to get a GF, they are isolating themselves form potential GFs to be used and abused.
Oneitis losers are worse - they never even try, they might as well just goon

>>33461981
But how many are actually attracted to me? That’s the key factor here.

>>33462093
NTA
how many do you talk to?

>>33462078
>just life

Lol no it’s not. Normal is having multiple girls attracted to you across the years not one 6-7/10 every decade or so for the span of about a month. There’s a difference between 15-20% (most men) and 0.01% for guys like me.

>>33462112
I interact with multiple girls every week.

>>33462118
But you've proven that you're mentally ill, so your numbers are fantasies.

>>33451780
>shy/socially anxious woman
>had only a few boyfriends
lol

>>33451746 (OP)
I'm popular enough that I'm sure I have had signs thrown at me at some points, and I'm pretty learned about them... yet even then, I can't detect them.

I've been out with a woman to some social gatherings and had her later tell me that the women around were just signaling me left and right and she felt quite threatened... I saw precisely nothing.

They live in their own world, they see insignificant shit as terribly flirty.

>>33462121
>"Do you want fries with that?"
doesn't count.
details on the last time you asked a woman on a date.

>>33451746 (OP)
Yeah, I grew up stuck in the same small religious K-8 for all 9 years giving me a decade with 15 girls who wouldn’t piss on me if I were burning to death. High school was easier since it was across town and all new people but by then the damage was already done, it didn’t help that I was one of the few whites in my high school, THEN as a senior I got that sign a couple of times and it really stood out.

>>33451746 (OP)
2x married anon here, probably late to the thread but objectively no and so don't ever post this garbage again

Some girls are forthright. Some will have a crush on you for years and you will never know. Some will look at you and then look away, and if you don't do anything, you lost that girl forever

All those what ifs might or might not be true but the fact that you didn't pursue in order to preserve your dignity was probably the right move. You need to be confident in your own skin before you can convince someone else they can be confident in choosing you