>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of them even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, give up, or insist there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
Wingman.live: https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
"Models": https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
"No More Mr Niceguy": https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
Wingmam: https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
Dr. NerdLove: https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
Leykis 101: https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq
https://dokumen.pub/why-women-deserve-less-firstnbsped-1467978302-r-1917433.html
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

Prev: >>33426078

>21 year old virgin
>white
>blond hair
>5'10
>face rated 5.5/10 on photofeeler
The caveat is that I'm basically skinnyfat. I lifted weights for like 2 months 2 years ago but haven't been back since. I feel like getting lean would drastically improve my facial structure and make it basically Chadlite.
I've also literally never talked to a girl outside of work or school ever.

>>33451809 (OP)
Women were a mistake

>>33451922

since you guys presumably know how to get women, do you know how to forget them? or more specifically, how do I put an end to my obsession for a woman?
a new girl started working at my company a few weeks ago and from the very first moment I saw her, I've become obsessed with her to the point of not sleeping at night because I can't stop thinking about her
I've been straightforward and told her because I'm autistic enough for that and even added that I may be falling in love with her, but she simply laughed it off and nothing changed between us
problem is, I can't imagine a life together because we're very different on important aspects and I don't even find her physically attractive (she has cute hands but that's about it)
I'm 30 and she's 33 if that matters and I see her every day so ignoring her isn't an option... I'm tempted to look for a new job just because of her
any suggestions? I need sleep

>>33452339
>and I don't even find her physically attractive
You might be retarded. You fell in love with some mid woman who isn't even attractive? 90% of women are unremarkable, I wouldn't even think twice about them never mind repeatedly so that it's affecting my sleep. Now if she was some attractive stunner and wife material, it's understandable.

tldr; you are a moron and have real issues, this woman isn't the problem

How are you supposed to get laid in college? Everyone talks about how easy it supposedly is but I’m not seeing that at all. Going into my last year and I am still a virgin. I’ve tried sitting next to and talking with some Asian girls in some of my classes because I thought they were supposed to be easy if you’re white but I got rejected.

>>33452380
you don't.
It's over.

>>33451809 (OP)
I was walking the dog the other day and a jewish girl was walking hers too. She is around 22 and our dogs started playing and we talked a little bit and i got her instagram. This happened 2 weeks ago ago.

4 days ago she texted me on IG asking me if i wanna join her for a walk but she will drive me to a place. I accepted, everything went well. And boom i sent her a dm two days later and she ghosted me since then.

I must have done something wrong right? The only redflags i saw was that she had her phone on airplane mode for an hour and maybe i asked a wrong question if her childhood was good but apparently her parents got divorced when she was young so idk. Thoughts femanons? Oh also she was the one initiating the walks.

>>33452465
Brutal

>>33452360
>You might be retarded
that's possible and honestly I don't understand this whole situation either
I've been in love before and know how it feels, but I never fell for someone I know nothing about at the very first sight, I'd never thought it possible, even less with a mid looking woman
>this woman isn't the problem
that was obvious but what issue exactly do I have? how do I fix it?
btw thanks for replying

>>33452469
>Thoughts femanons?
>>33451809 (OP)
>How to Get Women General is by men, for men

anyway, you probably should've kissed her or something, we don't know what happened

>>33452474
>that was obvious but what issue exactly do I have? how do I fix it?

sooner or later she gonna do something that you will dislike and you gonna change your opinion about her

you will meet another women that is better

your obession with her is because you probably lack options, see her alot more than other humans.

just wait, if you are still obsessed over her after 3 months might aswell annoy her to the point you embarrass yourself enough to quit your job (worst option lol)

How to flirt/dirty talk over text? This girl I matched with seems to be into that.

How do I know if a girl is flirting with me or just being nice to me?

>>33452478
True didn’t notice

I couldn’t kiss her we were just walking with her dog

>>33452525
Flirt back and see how she reacts.

>>33452380
If asians reject you as a white guy it's fucking over. Those are the easiest.. It's really ogre out there nowadays though but most normies here and elsewhere pretend otherwise and will continue giving you bullshit advice that doesn't work.
There are simply not enough women out there for several reason which I won't go in here, on top of that there are various social upheavals plaguing society since the coronahoax, this too is complex and I won't go into details here either. Then there are other factors, like hypergamy being in overdrive, narcissism, technology, and countless other things.

tldr; meeting women in 2025 is hard without social circles, online is full of hypergamous roasties and the ratio is like 100 males to 10 females.

>>33452742
Ok I will expand why a good chunk of women are being taken out of the dating pool over the past two decades.

We are talking about the 6/10s or slightly above average girls that usually served as "hope" or "bait" for the vast hordes of beta males. In the past there was the possibility of scoring such a girl for the average man under certain conditions and with some luck. That option doesn't really exist anymore nowadays. These women are now taken by the upper classes as fuckmeat or by a huge number of Chads and Chad-lites who refuse to settle and breed but instead are having these girls on rotation (some of these Chads are indeed married but have several sidepieces). Then there is technology which helps these 6/10 get paired with rich men from all over the world instantly.
Then there is the "sugar daddy" issue, where men throw money at young and above average girls in order to fuck them, we are talking paying rent, college tuition, money to blow, etc. This is now also compounded by the Onlyfans phenomenon, which has also driven "sugar daddy" monthly prices up. It used to be around $4000 a month before Onlyfans blew up, I don't know how much these girls ask now since they can get similar numbers from other platforms without fucking.
There are a few others factors at play here but these are the most importat ones concerning the slightly above average girls, which most beta males are lusting after or have their eyes on.

>>33452742
When I was in college i had this asian girl that wanted to "date" without actually being in a relationship. Strangest fucking thing.
She was from China.

How do I flirt? I am an autist and have no idea what to say to girls to make them like me

>>33452861
They have to already like you before stuff you say can be flirty.

I ended it with her after 3 dates on impulse via text, without properly reflecting on or answering the valid questions she had. i realize now that i missread even her message and she wanted to reconcile but i ignored that and basically just said ok you are right this isn’t working (which she did NOT say) and bye, and then deleted her contact. Pretty immature reaction.

I could not stop thinking about her and now a week plus in the feeling settles i massively fucked up, and i want to message her again at least to apologise. Knowing full well it would be okay for her to just say i moved on idiot and leave me alone. Thoughts on this?

>>33451809 (OP)
any advice? >>33449411
I got an answer elsewhere but I wonder if someone can give me another angle.
I'm the son of a single mother, btw

>>33452878
desu this is more of a rant than any actual question i think
What i did is watch youtube videos on how to flirt, which works pretty well, its things that you can really do like poke some fun at her, light touch etc - and no flirting is not directly jumping to making her horny, it’s an escalation process

Idk just do your research and just get better by meeting girls, only real option

Nobody is incapable of that unless you have some debilitating disease or something. People just express themselves in different words. Maybe your language is words, and not so much touch or whatever else.

>>33452869
Well how do I know if they like me

>>33452937
Seeming to enjoy your presence is a good start

This really isn't a complicated question my dude

Reminder that she expects you to hit on her.

Beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

I fucking hate simps bro. Like straight up you niggas need to die.

>>33452499
>just wait, if you are still obsessed over her after 3 months might aswell annoy her to the point you embarrass yourself enough to quit your job (worst option lol)
I'm ok with that, thanks again
meanwhile I'll get some pills for sleeping

she turned me down guys
I'm 29 and have never asked a girl out before until now. I still can't get her off my mind though.
what do I do? is there a way to delete the part of my brain that wants women?

>>33453174
Bitches are a dime a dozen bro. Don’t sweat it. You will fall in love with the next girl that is nice to you one time and you confuse it for her being interested.

>ran into my ex's mother while at the clinic
>she tells me her daughter has been feeling like shit since she broke up with me
>asks me to talk to her as a friend to see if she can feel a little better
>I politely tell her I'm extremely busy lately but will if I have the time
>mfw I got promoted since the break up and now have more free time and money than I know what to do with
>mfw I don't plan to talk to her at all
KWAB KWABBY KWABYROO bitch, it's your own damn fault your daughter is fucked in the head. Washing my hands, not my problem.

This chick I briefly dated in college has started looking at my Linkedin profile again every so often, maybe once a week or so (we're connected on there and my profile is set to public so I can see who viewed me). She doesn't interact with any of my posts, no likes or comments, just looks at my profile, especially after I make some announcement about what my startup is doing or change my pfp or things like that.

We're in different states so I'm not really hoping for anything here, but what's going on? Is she just curious about what she's missing out on, or might she still be carrying a small flame and just be too shy to reach out? Probably the former because she was the one who asked to stop seeing me (we were never really "steady"). DESU I probably would make a spontaneous plane trip to see her if I thought there was a chance of hitting it again, she was hot and I wish I had more chances to properly crack her

>>33452903
ok, thanks anon

>>33453028
Why are you saying the n word

>>33452846
>i had this asian girl that wanted to "date" without actually being in a relationship. Strangest fucking thing
Serious question, Do you have autism

>>33453174
no, you just need to keep going and getting rejected and eventually get wins and you'll forget all about her. well, maybe you'll remember your first rejection and your particularly embarrassing failures but once you start stacking W's you'll get over it

>>33453224
>>33454303
I get that eventually someone will say yes, but it's always a gamble, and no one wants to gamble. What's this whole song and dance for? Numbers, socials, "what u up to", "wanna go hang out", etc.
It's not a fun game, but we're forced to play it anyways because your friends and family start bitching at you or whatever. Surely there has to be a way to make it so that I never desire to interact with a female ever again

so woman i want is married and works with her husband here at the office. Should i still try for her?

If a girl hasn't replied to my message because she's TRAVELLING (of fucking course she has a trip woman ALWAYS have a fucking trip coming up real soon) but then she posts something on her insta story, is it over between her and I?

>>33454422
yes....im sorry

What I've realized is:
It doesn't matter what I want. All I can do is ask and see if she decides to allow me to receive. I can't make a woman like me.

Technically I'm a volcel because I won't talk to the ugly/old/nigger staring at me, but I'm an incel to my own race.

My last two girlfriends were freak accidents, strikes of lightening.

Who knew I'd find a skinny fat titty 18 yo gf right out of high school by messaging a cartoon character pic on telegram?

Who knew that out of the 1 or 2 truly beautiful woman I see in a year would fuck me in a hostel shower and proceed to seek a relatuionship with me?

These happenings were years apart. I have stopped dating ugly girls, so my girlfriends of my 20's are ones I cannot return to.

How many more lightening strikes do I have? How do I increase their chances of striking?

I will put my creative energy into the miasma of this life and hope it attracts lightening bugs.

Have you guys noticed that men with Asian girlfriends always think they're the shit?? Am I the only one who noticed this? They have this triumphant demanor because they obtained the thing that everyone wants nowadays, so they think they're the shit.

>>33452742
>several reason which I won't go in here, on top of that there are various social upheavals plaguing society since the coronahoax, this too is complex and I won't go into details here either
You may as well go into detail here, this is the best place for it

>>33454396
No.

>>33454600
I've been in asia for years, I fucking hate them. They're so ugly once you realize it. They want so badly to be white. I see guys with asian women as the apex loser.

>>33454616
Help me realize it PLEASE

>>33454509
eh whatever, chances of any girl I start going on dates with ending up in an actual relationship is next to zero anyway. I went on two really good dates with this bitch, is it still over?

I seem to only attract women who are already in a relationship or seeking some form of validation. I am unsure why because I'm not trying hard to pursue them or exceedingly attractive/charismatic. I thought it might be because I viewed them as off limits, and therefore, the best version of myself came out.

This isn't a humble brag I'm a virgin.
Either way I'd like to know if I have any luck finding someone who actually desires me rather than fulfilling some weird validation. The dates I've been on so far haven't been too rewarding mentally, and I'm not interested in casual sex at all.

Girls always do this sorta shit with the arms up and fixing their hair , and yes Im the only guy in the vicinity, comes with staring etc etc

I heard this was a good sign but I try not to take it as a sign to approach cause it seems like such a long shot , im tired of not approaching but damn they dont make cold approaches easy

>>33454793
I don't think it's a sign, but I feel your pain. Arms up, pits out definitely activates the neurons.

i literally dont know where to go. the bars seem to be entirely men and the special interest clubs are old women. where are the young women?

>>33455061
>where are the young women?
at home, being bred by Chad(me).

Imagine if she gave you signals and you were aware and you were still too much of a pussy to do anything and then you leave and start violently screaming at yourself as youre crying in your car driving home ha ha

is it a signal if she's asking you who you'd want to take home at a bar then she asks the same kinda question at a pub a few days later while we're drinking/drunk together out with her friends?
she didn't text me back today

Has anyone here actually found a relationship on a dating app? I'm starting to think its impossible given the nature of the apps and modern culture

>>33452465
This, just hope reincarnation is a thing.

>>33454333
You are thinking too hard, making it more complex than it needs to be, so what if it never happens so what?

>>33454396
Don't be a homewrecker, it never ends well for both parties.

>girl is still young (20)
>low body count (1)
>but she has an infant daughter (9 months) from that one other body
>tells me she doesn't care about him anymore and has no contact with him
>initially didn't want to be with him but gave him a chance due to her mother's insistence
>supposedly they were inexperienced and she didn't notice the condom was still stuck inside her
>while she doesn't have his contact anymore her mother still does and they bicker through text every so often
What are we thinking lads? Should I bail? She's pretty enough and nice enough, but I feel like the red flags are adding up.

>>33455593
She's a single mother at 20 anon

>>33452876
Just leave it be, you've bungled it up. Don't act like a unhinged tard next time

>>33455593
She's a single mother anon.

>>33455593
She sounds dumb but I would give her a chance. If nothing else this is a good chance to catch a rebound.

>>33455593
She's a single mother anon

She cant even get child support he doesn't have money to take

>>33455593
>she didn't notice the condom was still stuck inside her
And you accepted that idiotic lie?

>>33455917
Why are you talking child support? He's not paying for her kid's daycare before the first date.

>>33455950
Shes looking for an alternative fucking income source because the baby daddy won't have one you literal retard.

>>33451809 (OP)
Is it worth being a fuckboy? I'd like more sex, but ultimately I want a wife/kids and the women who respond to that are not wife material

However, I am starting to lose hope that I'll find the "right" woman, so I'm half tempted to start fucking multiple women and give zero fucks. I've deliberately avoided it this far

>>33455246
I was in a short relationship with a girl I met on Hinge a few months ago
She was a petite and cute American Chinese girl, maybe even the prettiest girl I've ever been with if you considered her in her prime. But, she revealed to me she fucked an e-celeb I don't like and I've gotten the "ick" from girls like this before so I just dumped her. But I did genuinely fall for her before that and enjoyed our time together, and she rode me like a bull
IDK, dating apps are good if you're lonely and halfway decent looking but it's definitely like a video game in that you have to grind to get anything good, and really the girls you get aren't all that great.

>>33455976
I don't know how fuckboys have the time. I tried it and yeah I was racking up bodies but damn arranging the meetings and spenidng money on the dates, it sucked

Went on a first date with this girl from the apps. She was unenthusiastic and said straight away after seeing me in person that she wouldn't be able to stay long. So I'm like whatever waste of time.
But after 45 minutes she reached out and touch my hair. I asked
>wuh?
and she said
>nothing, I just wanted to feel your hair
Is that a sign that she likes me or wants to see me again? I'd rather not inflate her ego and deflate my own by getting rejected again.

>>33455976
it's your job to fuck them. it's their job to lock you down for something more serious.

>>33456101
Yeah she was starting to feel you idiot. you sound like you're just unfamiliar with game.

>>33455976

>>33456115
Yeah, I've never changed my mind about being attracted to someone. I could start hating them but if they look about the same, my level of attraction would be about the same.

>>33455976
How do you even become a fuccboi?

I’m 31 been trying since I was 13 and never been on a date. I’m white, taller than any black I ever seen irl, and I have good hygiene and posture. White women won’t make eye contact with me and I always find myself carrying any conversation with them. I cold approach because dating apps have been a waste of time and money. My dream is to have a wife but I want to experience making out with a youngish 18-24 year old white womans feet before I die.

>>33455958
She’s looking for a man, dipshit. Stop getting ahead of yourself and assuming everyone is angling for your wallet.

Better yet, if they do indicate they want your money have some fucking self respect and tell her no. What is it about dating where you think you’re already married and obligated to take care of this bitch? The baby and her baby daddy are HER problem. YOU do not have to make it your problem.

Anyone using hinge x here? I get a slow trickle of matches, all of them quite hot and often weeks after I've sent the like, so clearly I'm just getting buried. However it's expensive af and I feel like match group fucks with paypigs

>>33456252
I paid >>33456154
never got a date

>>33455246
Highly depends on your location. It's possible, just gotta play the game the right and keep your expectations realistic.
I found a girl on Bumble that was my type and we got along very well. She was eager to sleep with me and all, but later revealed to me her colorful past and various issues she had, so I decided to stop going with her.
No longer on the apps anymore, I flirt with irl girls.

>>33456154
notice how you don't mention your hobbies at all. only obsessing over stupid bullshit like muh height and muh hygeine. ever thought that the reason you are "carrying" conversations is because its obvious to the women you are talking to that you are an insecure faggot?

are you funny? do you play any sports? go hiking? anything other than being an attentionwhore?

>>33456319
I have more hobbies than any woman, all women tell me they only watch shows and sit around. My hobby’s are skateboarding, drawing, music games, and I might get into BMX.
I have never made a woman laugh, I assume they only laugh if the person is attractive. I’m funny and can make any guy of any race laugh. It comes natural to me.

>>33455070
>Imagine if she gave you signals and you were aware and you were still too much of a pussy to do anything and then you leave and start violently screaming at yourself as youre crying in your car driving home ha ha

u talkin to me ? >>33454793

Shitshow that’s been going on for almost a year here, don’t know what to do.
> Hot young bartender that I wasn’t initially interested in started giving me signs she was interested.
>Pulled the trigger and asked her on date. She gave me non-answer “rejection” by avoiding the question but made it very clear she liked it.
>keep going back, many different interactions… long story short I haven’t confessed my feelings to her or anyone else for that matter but she has figured out that I’m in love with her. I know it’s mutual, she actively treats me differently than everyone else and not in a bad way… she won’t do things to hurt my social standing… when she talks about me what I am to her is undefined… other people actively think we are a couple… the dudes that are trying to fuck her treat me like they envy me and the women around her suddenly act like they want to fuck me…
I don’t even have her phone number, she pretends like she’s disinterested because she wants me to chase her… but when I chase her I feel weak and then have to run away… she clearly encourages me and wants me… but I don’t know how to close this deal

>>33452469
Sometimes even if the person is nice you realize you don't have the chemestry you want to have with them. That or she has ADHD and forgot to reply to you and is too embarassed to message later. Likely just didn't feel you clicked though.

>>33454396
only if she initiates and takes the lead dont underestimate what she is telling her husband

I've been on 6 dates with 6 girls from Tinder Bumble and Hinge. End of dates
1st girl: she hugs me tight but doesn't text me and I don't text her and she unmatches me a few days later. I should have texted her but I wanted to see if she would.
2nd girl: gives me a handshake and then later we text a bit and when I text good night she doesn't respond and message received, that's the end of that.
3rd date: cheek kiss but later text "I don't see this going forward, sorry."
4th date: handshake and text "thank you for a pleasant evening" "y-you too" and no further contact.
5th date: cheek kiss and hug. used to double and triple text me before the date, stopped doing it after the date. message received.
6th date: cheek kiss and suggests a second date activity at her place. YESS!!
So don't give up, guys. I was so close to giving up after that 5th girl.

>>33456791
dates? Never had that.

>>33456808
It's like a job interview for a boyfriend or husband or whatever she's looking for. It's as unpleasant as it sounds.

>>33456791
What is your profile like?

Started dating this year. First girl I dated I met without dating apps and really liked her, but had a soft break-up a few months ago. Just started seeing a new person from Hinge, and it's hard to feel the same way desu. It sucks cause she seems way more eager and likely to commit

>>33456889
irreverent.
>my freezer just died on me so this weekend I'll have to eat an entire cow. you won't be catching me at my best.
I also have videos of me moving around so they feel more confident how I look. They still came off as disappointed when they see me irl.

>>33456826
I’ve never been given a chance to be dating material because I’m a white male.

>>33457033
Being White of either sex is the best you can be. Problem is it only puts you on ez mode with nons and nons aren't attractive. But if you like pajeetas or negresses for some reason you can have as many as you want.

>>33457168
Probably not thst dimple but is a kernel of truth to it
My brother (and I for that matter) are 5/10s but white and he recently got an indian gf
She makes more money than he does too kek

>>33457168
if I found non whites attractive I wouldn’t be here

>>33455757
>>33455770
>>33455917
Do they all have a few screws loose?
>>33455913
Nah man fuck that. Not gonna be someone's rebound. I keep prodding her with questions about her ex once in a while and she keeps slightly changing the details every time. She's not over him, I feel.
>>33455919
Partially? The alternative would too strange to think about. She never liked kids and didn't want to have a child right now. Doesn't seem like a heat of the moment type of thing.

Regardless, I know what to do. Shame, she's really nice, but she's stuck in a situation that I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. When she confessed to me while we were at a coffee shop that bit about her mother encouraging her to give the guy a chance, and from that resulting in her pregnancy, I had to fight the urge to get up, pay the tab and be on my way. That's a level of dysfunctional that it's almost comical.

>>33457033
Its not that youre a white male. Its that youre pathetic and weak and everyone can see it. Fucking pussy.

>>33457558
>everyone can see it
Women cant even see glaring red flags

>>33457334
>She makes more money than he does
yeah this is common now

>>33457033
Sure man white guys never have sex anymore. Totally not the lamest excuse I’ve heard

So. Any advice for overcoming self-esteem issues?

>>33457583
Having sex with women.

>>33457592
What if I've had sex with multiple women who are not prostitutes and still consider myself unlovable?

Why do people hate my face so much? Seriously… I can’t even get a date and I’ve had this issue since I was a teen

>>33457622
Women know you keep posting this.

>>33457583
Aside from talking to a therapist?

Think critically about what it is that gives you these feelings. What are you insecure about? Why don’t you like yourself? How do those things make you feel? Not just in a general “like shit” way, but do you feel shame?

>>33457637
Because I keep failing and keep being rejected and don’t get advice on how to look normal

>>33457622
You look like you have a negative attitude, which usually means you are grounded in reality and truth. Basically you look like you are about to drop some redpills or blackpills and there is nothing more revolting to a woman than the truth. Just be uplifting, smiley and lie lie lie I can't stress this enough. You should be constantly lying to the normies and tell them exactly what they want to hear. Only positive shit, absolutely no bitching about anything or exposing anything that even gets close to the truth of any subject whatsoever. Just white lies every sentence that is coming out of your mouth. And smile, always smile as you lie straight to their fucking face.

>>33457696
But women won’t even talk to me because they dislike my face..

>>33457696
Holy based

>>33453796
Not that anyone cares but I broached the issue directly by texting her old phone number from college asking if it was still her number.
Left on read. At least I have my answer. Still kind of nice to know even after all these years I'm still on her mind even though we "dated" for a few months.

>>33457567
Really? I knew it happened but thought it was still a dealbreakar for most women

>>33457721
Start lying and your face will change accordingly. Also smile and fix your teeth obviously if you have fucked up teeth, normies place extremely high value on teeth and smiles. If you have a nice smile the panties start dropping before you even open your mouth.

>>33455766
Brutal advice, but that’s the reality… I acted like an unhinged tard indeed

I messaged her anyways but she has not responded yet, and if was her I wouldn’t either.

Gotta live with it i guess. Fucked it up for no reason. Feels like self sabotage, like feelings came up after years of single life and I couldn’t deal with it and ended it before it could get serious

Goddamn I am a stupid fucking moron

>>33457622
Nothing is wrong with your face except your expression

If you think you look ugly, you will convey that attitude and women will read it as no confidence and find you unattractive
Only your mindset defines you

>>33457790
So my facial features aren’t offputting? Attractiveness also has to do with genes and symmetry and features looking good combined too

>muh mindset
Holy kek

>>33458257
What did you hope to achieve by coming here and posting this?

>>33458263
>mad that a dose of reality was injected into his pseduo redpill pua thread
kek

>>33457570
Not with white women that aren’t ham planet

>>33456791
I'm no expert on women or anything like that but I feel like all of them were expecting something from you. did you invite them to your place or something?
the first one obviously wanted your dick and you didn't seem to get the message.

>>33458381
Internet shitposting isn't reality, anon. Find help.

>>33458455
Impossible to tell whether or not a girl wants to go home with you nowadays because of all the bullshit games modern dating has taught them to play
hoe_math has a video on this but I'm too lazy to find this. Basically the signals women give are the same either way.

>>33458476
>Internet shitposting isn't reality
The internet is in some ways more real than real life desu

>>33457991
So why am I told by women online that I’m ugly

what is your stance on single moms...im not talking about a man hating white girl, but an actual sweet girl
I dont know man, i know i shouldnt but im so devoid of love, maybe im scared of being happy?

>>33458879
Also i forgot to add
i just KNOW this girl wouldnt even like me if she was younger and without a kid. I just know it. She only mellows because shes a single mom and older.
I hate this, man.

>>33457622
Joe dirt lmao

Treat women like they have a higher IQ than you. I know it sounds counter intuitive, but knowing you are Homer Simpson shows a lot in being a man. I'm a Homer Simpson.

How do I get a girl to lose interest in me?

Won't get into it but some shit happened and this girl has been stuck to me like glue since.
I'm not interested.
I've tried letting her down easy, tried doing it straight up. She seems to think she still has a shot as long as I'm single.

>>33458455
The first one was easily the least enthusiastic of the six, the tight hug notwithstanding. But what I wanted was one unambiguous sign of interest from a woman who spent an hour or two with me.

>>33452339
lookup limerance and view your feelings from that lens. Analyze it that way and work to recognize why it isn't love

People always wonder how I'm still a virgin as a fit charismatic guy who doesn't fit the basement dweller stereotype, and I think its mostly because of a lack of effort. I just hate the idea of having to try so hard to get pussy with no guarantees. Dating as a average guy really sucks because you don't have any power, women have all the options and we're basically forced to desperately chase women and conform to what they like or miss out.

Why do asian women at my Uni keep eyeing me?
I swear I've been seeing a lot of WMAF media lately, especially on this site with guys that look suspiciously like me. I'm willing to bet that those girls probably are getting WMAF shit pushed on them too on their tiktok or whatever and now have their sensors primed for tall twink looking white guys that dress well.
I've considered talking to some of them to see where it goes, but this feels like a psyop and my gut is telling me not to.
What do?

>>33459024
I've never once met a woman whose working memory and attention to detail surpassed my own

>>33459424
Talk about her hot friend

>been working at the same place for years
>qt started recently
>want to get to know her
>she seems super shy but smiles when i crack jokes with other coworkers
>we work in different departments, no natural opportunities to talk
>she's only here for a few months before moving across the country
>not willing to risk my job or reputation by doing anything retarded
More than likely nothing will come of it but any tips would be appreciated.

34 khv.
I don't even know how to get a woman.

>>33460056
Naught to do but ask her out for coffee. You can maneuver from there depending if she agrees.

>>33460056
Stop being a pussy. We literally had a viral news story last month about a CEO banging head of HR. People bang their coworkers all the time.

The only way this affects your job is if you get caught fucking in the office or start sharing her nudes, something catastrophically stupid.

Otherwise, what's gonna happen is you don't make a move, someone else does, she bangs him and you're jealous because that asshole broke the rules and got rewarded.

Other anon is right, though. Ask her for coffee or drinks after work and try something from there.

>>33456367
and I’m ignored

So what does she means when she says she met people that look just like you in her city?
She said the met 2 people that look like me now.

>>33460461
>swipe on apps
>take them out on a date
>have sex
>>33460802
Because you sound like a doomer that just wants to complain. If I cat that from 2 anonymous text poata image what image you give off to women irl. Wtf do you want me to say mate.

>>33460865
>swipe on apps
Been doing that for years.
Aside of a few scammers, I didn't get much matches.
And the matches I gotten didn't even last for more than a day in conversation.

>>33460870
Then fix what's wrong with you

Looks like I will now have to stop drinking. For most of my life I was able to fix all my problems with women by drinking 4 beers and going into zero anxiety and super confidence mode. I have no idea how the fuck I will get girls without drinking. Has anyone tried to use beta blockers for this? I don’t think buying benzos from drug dealers would be worth the price and effort. I don’t k mnow what the fuck to do

Mid women give me the -ick. Ugly women I just feel sorry for them for maybe one second then look away but mid women give me the ick, especially when they open their mouth about some inane bullshit nobody cares about.

>>33461029
What’s up with women making close to minimum wage and still having every weekend booked up with a trip or concert or something. Like the last three girls I went out with were all the same retarded person

>>33461036
They're in debt or their boyfriend/simp pays for everything

>>33461036
People throw money at young girls like never before. Starting with daddy when they are teenagers, then mommy, then grandparents, then friendzoned simps, then all other males in the world.
Girl turned 18 and within 3 hours signed up for Onlyfans and made 1 million. WITHIN 3 HOURS. Shit is unreal. Checking out is the correct move, not playing this rigged game and fighting for scraps lol. Let some other losers breed these dumb mid foids.

>>33460865
if I keep trying and can’t get a SINGLE date why wouldn’t I be a doomer and don’t tell me it’s because I’m not a gym rat. white women don’t like muscles.

>>33461127
Women love muscles.

>>33461127
>>33461137
Women love muscles on guys they're already attracted to. No guy in the history of humanity was ever rejected for not having enough muscle.

>>33461144
>men love a slender waist and a flat tummy on girls they're already attracted to. No woman in the history of humanity was ever rejected for being too fat

>>33461137
why are white women always with skinny short blacks

>>33461271
>what's a butterface?
there is no buthisface or buthisheight.

All the good looking women who would make great wives and mothers are taken in high school and college the latest. Whatever remains is taken shortly after they enter the workforce. There exist very few good looking (7 and above) women that are single and have a good heart, are modest, raised in a decent family, soft spoken and pretty. The window of opportunity when they are single is very very narrow. These are the 2% of women, the highest stock of females this wonderful creation can offer. If you don't frequent their circles or the events they attend you have no chance of meeting them. Women also don't go anywhere alone, so whatever hobbies women have or events they attend it is done with their husband or boyfriend and if they are single with their groups of friends.

tldr; there simply aren't enough single good looking young white women to go around for everybody, they are rare and exist mostly in very niche places where men without social circles (loners) can't get in to

>>33461471

>girl I have a passing interest in
>finds a boyfriend and blocks my number
>guy who we are mutually friends with isn't blocked
what does it mean niggerman? that other mutual friend is more my friend that hers
for her he was more of a colleague

>>33462723
Why would you block a colleague after getting into a relationship?

>>33462819
yeah but why was I blocked? what is this bitch nonsense
I didn't block her when I was seeing someone we just barely talked

holy fuck man, I'm a mess. I'm >35, I hadn't touched a dating app in a while, and I just realized that shit makes me really fucking insecure. like, i don't even know how to respond without thinking "if I respond in a witty way, she might think of me something I'm not" or "if I tell her X, she might think I'm being too pushy" or whatever. wtf.

I would say in my entire life there was only one woman I actually liked. In college for whatever reason we bumped into each other in 3 different classes one semester and for the next year and a half we had classes together. We spent every single day together. We usually hung out until it got dark. Near the end we even held hands a lot (and to be honest, her hands were always warm and nice. One time I pulled her by her hands to go somewhere with me and she moaned really loudly in public. The sound she made and the super weird out reactions of other people around us is something I won't forget as we walked off.) We grew apart after not having classes anymore.

It's 10 years later now (I know, it's fucked up I still cling to this). I connected with her on linkedin last month (we're both in the same city still). I asked her if she was interested in catching up. She said yes and that we could meet up at a mall on a specific date. Right before that date she told me she was sorry and that she had a family emergency. I told her no worries and to contact me whenever she felt like it. She's never going to call me back is she? It took all my energy to even make the attempt. I'm just glad she was gentle instead of saying flat out no.

Are ldrs bound to fail

>>33451918
>I lifted weights for like 2 months 2 years ago but haven't been back since. I feel like getting lean would drastically improve my facial structure and make it basically Chadlite.
then just do it. lol

>>33451809 (OP)
Is there a way to practice interacting with a woman?
Idc if it’s a robot with settings set to roast my ugly mug for a week without taking a breath. As long as it doesn’t call the cops on me and prepare me for the real thing, I’ll consider it a success.

>>33463412
you gotta lose this fear, man. you only get good by doing it for real.

Both like each other. But we're both tards and can't move out of small talk

>>33461471
I know. It's painful as fuck, but even before college they're brainwashed into making the choices that take them into their 30's as fat win cat ladies.

I found one of the most beautiful white girls at a hostel solo travelling. She fell in love with me, but didn't like it when I fell in love with her. 20 years old, halfway through college. she wanted to go back and finish and get a motorcycle license, travel to south africa, etc... Thing is she complained about wokism, didnt have the vax, so I don't know what the fuck was going on.

>meet girl
>she likes me
>i like her
>...now FOR SOME FUCKING REASON im terrified and nervous and kinda want to get away
fuck this fearful avoidant attachment holy shit
i want to feel love but im also terrified by intimancy i dont know what the fuck to do

I was expected out in public this evening and I've recently been on an improving my looks arc - generally speaking its been giving generally positive returns but I can't deny this evening was wild. I clocked a mother and teenager daughter, mother was laughing and looking at me , daughter "omg dont look" , I know I heard that for sure

Now I was going past so I didn't quite catch the next bit perfectly but it went something like "thats the worst thing I've ever seen"

Now for the record , im a short and skinnier guy (am a runner) , so I get it - haha subhuman short guys. I expect that shit online.

But IRL that shit hits different like "oh fuck I just got active confirmation im ugly"

>>33457622
BRANDON? I REMEMBER YOU FROM KIK

what do I talk about?

I have nothing to talk about.

>>33464428
talking about the place you are meeting her is always a safe bet
talk about the work you two do or about the hobby that sort of thing

>>33451809 (OP)
How do i stop reggreting lost opportunities?
Yesterday i was invited to a family dinner and there was this 28 year old woman that i used to hang out back when i was in my 20's, she always wanted me but she walled hard but she has a 22 year old sister that i haven't seen in a while and while we were on the table i asked her what's up with her sister. She told me she is in the old town with her 22 year old bulgarian friend and asked me if we wanna go. I talked through the phone with the 22 year old telling her to come over with us, but she was an obnoxious zoomer who kept telling me to go find them in old town. For some reason i sperged out and didn't go. After realizing that i missed the chance to go out with two hot zoomies i got depressed and couldn't sleep. This happened last night and it still haunts me that i will not find any more opportunities to meet her again, because the boyfriend of the 28 year old is coming today so it's hard to meet her again. What do

What are good icebreakers for approaching women at a party? how do you spot the ones that are open to conversation before saying hi?

>>33463787
I feel that. Remember to stop looking so far ahead. Focus on the present. What do you want to do with this girl right now?

>>33464883
Ask them to name three songs, they love that

>>33464428
Remember FORD.
>Family
>Occupation
>Recreation
>Dreams
If you aren't a complete mong retard.you can go for hours talking about just one of these topics.

>>33465176
Why the fuck do people shill the FORD method or how did it even become a thing? Those are the 4 things that if you're talking about them, then you know everything has gone horribly wrong.

>>33465276
What makes you say that

>>33465042
Me id ask for five movies

>>33465288
It’s kind of anti-game. These are normie questions every girl expects to get. Not exciting or interesting. I think the FORD conversation is going to need to happen for comfort building most of the time. But it should basically be delayed until the girl is insisting on knowing who you are and shit.

>>33465288
>gee wooh-ee! I really can't wait to get off my 10 hour work shift so I can go on a romantic date to talk about **checks-notes** MY OCCUPATION!!! God I'm getting SOAKING WET!

>>33465390
if she likes your face and your height, you can talk about anything and it won't make a difference.
if she doesn't like your face or your height, you can talk about anything and it won't make a difference.

>>33465276
FORD is not supposed to be the end all and be all, it's supposed to be for cases where you've run out of ideas and offer starting points from where you can dig in to the more juicy stuff.

>>33465396
Wrong.

Compassion will help you so much you wouldn't believe it.

>>33466476
They reject me before I speak because I’m tall and white

>recently got back to tinder out of desperation
>Got really drunk, superliked this fat girl who had similar interests
>she messages me first
>actually pretty fun to talk to
>despite some lulls in the conversations, we continue bonding
>her bio says she wants to lose weight
I guess I'm in for the long con

Reminder not a single fucking person in this thread actually knows what women want
What incels think women want
>6'5" banker
>Ripped jacked bodybuilder
>Le strong silent masculine type

What women actually want
>Safe sleazy
>5'9" fuccboi with abs
>Beta billy who is easy to control and is into the same normie trends

You get mad and try to deny it, but go outside and take a walk around and tell me who you're more likely to see a girl with, a guy that looks like Christian Gray, or a guy that looks more like iDubbbz? Again, go outside and try this experiment for yourself!

Stop going to the gym and start getting tattoos and growing a mullet.

Got dumped. Longest relationship recently (nearly 4 months). Man I'm not even that broken up about it because I realize she never was mine

>>33468664
cross posting

>>33465502
Cope.

I have a date tomorrow from duet dating app. I've been using some AI to make my replies but I did call the girl and we confirmed the plans Im going to pick her up then go to the lake.

I've only been on 2 dates in my life (same girl) and they didn't end in any action just kissing and a little touching.

What do I do? Just be myself?

I just want to break the touch barrier early and start kissing her like Trump 'I'm automatically attracted to beautiful women. I just start kissing them.'

I think a big reason I didn't get very far with the last girl is I was being myself. I don't know maybe I'm overthinking it.

>>33451809 (OP)
>match with a girl
>she responds very sparsely, but puts some effort into her messages
>fuck it, ask her out
>she says she'd be happy to meet, but right now she's moving, has a lot of work, and then she'd be out of town until the end of month
>okay, send her my phone number
Not very promising, but who knows

does it mean anything when a female coworker stares at you when you're not looking, approaches you with a smile, and every now and again mention how you and her live really close, it comes up in conversation every now and then. But even so, sometimes she'll say things where she insinuates that she doesn't like me or that she only does things for me to be nice and nothing more, but is very subtle about it. Because if she's not into me why keep staring at me, why keep mentioning the fact that we live so close by, and why approach me whilst maintaining eye contact and smiling? Shits confusing.

>>33469650

you skipped genetics day

>Over the last like 4 months like once a month I've been hanging out with this girl at small 5-6 group hangouts
>Friend of a Couple I've known for years, play Minecraft with them annually, have helped them move and declutter their house, etc brought in a new girl into the group
>She's really funny, cute, and we have such similar thought processes to everything. I never thought I'd meet a girl who makes me feel so exhilarated but at peace.
>Mild flirting between the two of us, but it's mostly just us joking around. I did feel up and down her arm but that was under the pretense of a joke
>Last time we hung out like 2 weeks ago, she ran up and gave me a big hug, she played footsie with me and kept her feet under my knees to keep them warm, good amount of normal joking around and bantering, we we're playing a card game with nerf guns and as two people pointed at each other we both instinctively pointed at ourselves which cracked us up, she gave me another huge hug before leaving
>We're all going to a concert in another 2 weeks. We went to the same band for at the start of the summer so I know the vibe.
>Lots of dancing and there's going to be a mosh pit, she showed up looking really cute last time but I avoided directly complimenting her on her clothes for some reason. We'll be drinking in the parking lot and getting high together. But last time she got tired out easily and hung out in the back for most of it.
>She also kept insisting on a night where the whole group gets together, goes to the beach, gets hammered and watches two movies back to back. Like you need to be krunk just to watch the first movie. This sounds fun as hell but I'm wondering if she's saying something with it
What would you do in this situation? People have told me I get bites but let them swim away. I've laughed and joked around with a girl all night and still nothing happened, or I self sacrifice and ruin it for myself when I do. I don't know when I'm supposed to kiss a girl you know?

>>33469665
>does it mean anything when a female coworker stares at you when you're not looking, approaches you with a smile, and every now and again mention how you and her live really close
No, this means nothing. I think the best course of action for you, if you want to be in a loving relationship with a woman one day, get married and have kids, is to never ask out a woman when she behaves like this. When ever a woman shows you any positive signs in any way, DO NOT ask her out on a date or anything like that, you've got to remember that there is always a 1% that any girl who is always positive towards you actually secretly hates you. Best to NEVER approach a woman NEVER flirt, and DEFINETLY NEVER ask any girls on dates. Your best course of action is to do nothing so that one day you will magically end up married.

>>33470016
also I'm trans btw

I'm living in Japan, whtie, I don't date asian girls, I've been exclusively picking up on european travellers.
But, today I found a girl with a really nice body and went up to talk to her in very broken japanese and google translate. I got her line, we already set up a date, but the thing is:

I dont know what she looks like

Bitch was wearing a mask. I asked her for a face pic and she sent me this typical jap freaky eye anime face filter. I don't know how to ask again, I feel like it'd be annoying. She had long nails, designer bags, too perfect hair in the picture too. Theres a type of harajuku plastic surgery girl out there who stares at me, but I already get disgusted when I see their faces.
We will have coffee in a few days, I have no idea what to expect. If she shows up in a mask and doesnt take it off, I will seriously just ditch her.

Should I ask again? Just wait? I have no idea what to expect.

>>33451809 (OP)
Chatted up this 9/10 Filipino baddie yesterday at this party
She’s super hot and actually a interesting person
We were talking and relating on the work we do and I was making her laugh multiple times
She gave me her phone put my insta in and told me to text her
I caught her on the way out and she shook my hand at end end and said how it was great to meet me but then I said you live really close to me wanna hang out sometime and she said sure
So Anons am I in or out?
What should I text her later?

>>33470247
Ur out dog.

Get the fuck off her and ask her out. take the lead, dont ask too many questions, give her a date and time, if she really wants you she'll negotiate or just adhere, either way if she comes, you better get a kiss.

>>33470254
What should I text her? I was thinking of being simple by saying I think you’re really cool and interesting and I would like to take you out to dinner sometime

>>33470303
0 action, begging. Gay.

Hey lets go get coffee/lunch/go to the park. Speak through action faggot

>>33469974
Do compliment her. Do dance with her. You should also ask the guy of the couple about it if she's feeling you or just being nice. For other people in the group it is way more obvious always.

If she isolates herself from the group because she's tired or whatever excuse you go with her. You sit or stand next to her just some friends talk banter whatever. Read her body language. When there's natural silence eye contact she's giving expectant eyes giggling she's not pulling away and just positive signs of sexual tension you go for the kiss.

>>33470313
Then what should I say?

Took me too long to learn this lesson but men who have shit to offer shouldn’t bother with chasing. I’ve got some things wrong with me (got insecurities and not wealthy) but overall I’m physically attractive and although it’s hard for me to believe I’m apparently also likeable despite being a bit of a weirdo. Of course a man still has to initiate but if a woman doesn’t make it abundantly obvious that they want you, where THEY push for a relationship with you, there’s no point bothering with her beyond platonic interactions. More of a GIOYC post but whatever

>follow some advice from this thread
>friend of mine gave me a boob job yesterday
We are all gonna make it

>>33470658
Is a boob job even pleasurable at all or is it just 100% awkward and clumsy and achieves nothing?

>>33470658
1) What advice did you take that worked for you?
2) Was she hot and busty or a fat chick?

>>33470732
It was pretty fucking nice. There isn't a lot of pressure or friction at all, it's more like slick gentle softness. Its nowhere near as stimulating as sex or oral sex, but it's very unique and still feels amazing. It's cozy. Don't coom for a couple days beforehand so you're more sensitive
Also I eventually tried doing it with her on her back and me straddling her, just thrusting into some fat boobs and pressing them together. That's the best

>>33470735
Just not being desperate. Hanging out with her, impressing her but not pushing things or putting sex on a pedestal. But also, not being afraid to be sensual when the mood is right. Just getting out of my own head, not being desperate and not being a pussy.

She's not fat. She's a fairly boyish girl I do theater with. Very average build, very average face, big ol' tits. Doesn't really put effort into her appearance, but enjoyable to spend time with, has geeky interests and is something of a pervert. She's a bit of a weird social outcast type. I think I like her a lot.

Is it possible that I dated a girl that was too smart? Like I felt like I couldn't keep up with her. She read books way faster than me and I felt was low key judgmental. Is this something to consider? Should i go for smart girls or try to find a girl that makes me feel comfortable. I consider myself pretty smart too, so it's not like I'm looking for a dummy, I think this girl was just very smart even compared to her friend group.

>>33470778
Depends. Smarts are a good thing in general. Are you just insecure?

>>33470778
yes

You fucks need to start attaching your age to whatever dating advice you give. I'm tired of millennials and xillennials bragging about how easy they had it back in their days. No one cares gramps.

>>33470766
How do you go from zero to convincing a girl to let you fuck her tits? I just don't get it

>>33470789
for >>33470780

>>33470778
Anyone can read books fast, it's different actually understanding them. I blew through A Game Of Thrones in one day while on a train but that thing is just standard fiction and not a textbook on immunology. So don't put yourself down for that.

>>33470766
So like a short hair tomboy kinda girl? Well congrats I guess. Pretty envious since I've been checking these threads for over a year and haven't gotten any action yet.

>>33470795
You just hang out and be cool. She came over to play vidya initially, but we've spoken in school and on messenger some. Eventually once you feel each other out and the mood says "comfort and attraction" you progress the conversation naturally. I think it's a mix of not being a desperate creep but also not avoiding it when it happens.
I think the basic interaction was
>she brought up thinking a girl in the game we were playing was cute, Kyrie in Kingdom hearts.
>I said yeah

>>33470808
Didn't mean to send that yet.
> I said yeah I always liked that character
>We start talking about things we like or are attracted to
>Long conversation ensues
>She implies she's into some weird stuff
>Mood is good so I push a bit and say I'm really interested in knowing more about her and what she's into
>She's interested in boob jobs and hentai fetish stuff she's seen online
>I love stuff like that, talk to her comfortably and enthusiastically about it
>Eventually I'm like hey, it would be a dream come true to try something like that with you, but I'm totally not pushing this here, if appreciate just hanging out like we've been doing too
>She's definitely embarrassed and evaluating, but eventually says yeah, we could do something like that

Heavily summarized. I just stayed respectful, but interested. Didn't shy away, but wasn't pushy either. Just be cool man.

>>33470806
More like long-haired geek theater girl?

>be me, out on a date
>not sure if the girl likes me
>time to pay
>she pulls out her wallet
>"do you want to split the bill or is it my treat next time?"
the khv cynic in me wants to convince me it was just her way of getting out of paying her $20 share rather than a subtle invitation to ask her out again.

>>33470780
>>33470806
I think dating her just stressed me out. I thought highly of her and thought I was going to mess it up. And I guess I did, but looking back, I think we weren't a good fit. Maybe over time I will be able to improve myself and get over some insecurities so I can find someone like here again. I'm trying to figure out if my insecurities were the cause of my dissatisfaction and stress or if my intuition that this wasn't working out led to my insecurities. It's the most I've tried in a relationship as an adult, and longest. I guess I'll take that as a win.

>>33470825
You could have just had sex with her

>>33470658
>>33470746
>>33470766
What was her cup size?

>>33470825
>>33470808
>>33470766
How did you initiate inviting her over? Was it as simple as just asking if she wanted to play video games with you at your place? What was the conversation like before it got sexual?
I ask, because in these situations I tend to be very performative and I'm trying not to be, but I genuinely don't know what to say, because I'm expected to lead and at times carry the conversation because I'm a guy.

>>33470870
Not really. She's a virgin, and I think I barely skirted by with how forward I already was. We've been talking since, we're gonna go on a date some time and she's interested in trying more sexual stuff, but she isn't ready to lose her virginity yet. You can't ask for too much

>>33470898
She wears an F, but it's too small, and she needs a G. Though they aren't as big as hentai makes you imagine a G cup is

>>33470825
>>33470831
Damn sounds like a girl I'd kill to have at this point. I guess enjoy but still, when's my turn coming dammit.

>>33470926
A long process of being polite, presenting myself well and eventually becoming her friend at school. Ask her about a school thing on Facebook to get some conversation going, after knowing her for a while it came up that we both like some similar things. I said maybe we could play vidya some time and she said that could be good. I think at first you should just approach girls like any other friendship.

>>33470927
Nice bro

>>33470927
Actually bro can I get some advice from you since you seem to know what you’re doing with women
>>33470247
Here’s mine

>>33470938
sounds reasonable, I moved to a new city though, so I don't have any friends and I've known my old friends for so long that I really don't have a clue how to make new ones without being cringe.
Like how do you even initiate a conversation without it being painfully obvious that you're looking to connect with people. I cringe at every time some rando tried talking to me on campus.

do most guys juggle multiple girls before they decide who to really date? I know the super popular guys probably do, but what about the average ones?

I just learned that most girls do the same thing, even the ones who aren't conventionally hot. my colleague looks like the shy type and is cute in a chipmunk kind of way, if that makes sense, but even she's going out with a bunch of guys at the same time. It’s like her own version of Bachelorette, except none of the guys know they're in a competition

she even told me she can only handle five at a time. so, when she met this cool-looking dentist, the guy at the bottom of the totem pole got immediately ghosted

>>33454793
Imagine you have your hair tied together at the back of your head with an elastic band or something. This becomes loose over time. You want to retighten that band. How would you do this?

>>33457795
I've done that often. Ya know: there must've been something that made you uncomfortable. otheriwse you wouldn't have done this.

>>33471671
Yes keep swiping until 1 starts the what are we talk then either drop her and continue dating around of drop the rest and start a serious relationship.

How do you find virgin girls as a 29 year old male? I don't want anyone that's been with someone else. Looking for marriage, not dating around.

>>33451809 (OP)
Are there any dating apps that (You) reccomend? I know they're mostly shit but surely there must be one decent one? I thought I heard that there were a lot of people my age (I'm 26) on Hinge, is there any truth to that?

what the fuck do i do when a girl is into me, she basically initiated the talk and she actually tolerates my 'tism and gave me a second chance when i fumbled

Very beautiful Latina, I'm bored, I want to talk to single or married men, I'm 19 years old and I want to have fun
KlkTimhot210tlg@Tim7999999

>>33471902
Gotta ride a few ponies before you run with the big horses

>>33472015
Tell her you like men. Girls love the gay best friend.

Do I have any chance of meeting women at a bookstore and getting their number? Please be honest so I don't waste my time.
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I dated someone for 3 months and it ended. Should i wait or go back into dating now?

Anyone have experience with women who have mommy issues?


>>33472015
do what they do to us. Slow replies, one worded replies. IRL try to stay away say Hi and goodbye. this is what've done to a 31yo leftist.

How do I stop thinking about the one who got away bros? I could've had her but it was taking too long to get going so went for someone who was easier to access. But now we broke up and she went and found herself a boyfriend in the meantime. Missed my fucking chance.

>>33472474
>>33472015

DO NOT DO THIS. If she genuinely likes you just ask her out and get together jesus. Mind games are for girls who don't fuck with you

>approach woman at walmart earlier this week
>she was a straight 9/10, had no choice but to say something
>curvy latina with wavy black hair, probably early 30s
>goes well, get her number and insta
>texting, she says nobody has ever approached her like that
>was taken aback and more flattered than when a guy buys her a drink or brings her flowers or some other beta shit
>she tells me none of her friends have ever been approached in public and were super jealous when she told them
>stalk her insta, her friends are bombshells too
>we end up talking on the phone for almost 2 hours
>flirting hard, I feel like she might've invited me over then and there if I had said the right things
>instead we settled on drinks tomorrow night

it's crazy how desperate women are to be approached nowadays. nobody is talking to women at stores or at the mall or fucking anywhere. I didn't use any special lines or routines I literally just said stopped her with a hi and asked for her name with a grin.

sometimes nobody else shows up and you automatically win.

>6'0
>ugly maybe? I've never been really called ugly by a girl, but definitely not conveniently handsome
>chubby
>super awkward and shy with new people, specially women
What should I do?

>>33473788
Also I'd hate to come across like a creep

Is it pretty bad that anytime I get shot down now that I feel sorta relieved realizing how fucking retarded and unhinged most of these women are?

It's not even the rejection but the lack of quality women out there that gets me down.

>>33473769
>sometimes nobody else shows up and you automatically win.
You're not wrong. I'm not looking but I chat with strangers all the time and a number of them are attractive women who seem absolutely charmed and engaged with just some random guy talking amicably.

>>33472474
>Anyone have experience with women who have mommy issues?
Mommy issues? Not necessarily. Issues with their mother? Yes.

>>33473769
Give your height and lift status faggot.
I'm not falling for this bait

>>33454422
women love traveling because they will fuck any guy with a boat or airplane ticket

>>33474737
>lift status
what about face status?

I get social anxiety badly and im in my late 20s. isolated to protect myself emotionally but ready to try being vulnerable again. Have no friends that can invite me to parties etc, and the atmosphere is too intense for me. I tried going to one today, too awkward since everyone had their own groups and i knew nobody. Did catch some girls eyeing me up which felt nice but i was lowkey having a panic attack and had to gtfo. Anyway, thought going to an art class or something might be a way to meet women and have something to focus on to put my mind at ease. Am i on the right track?

do obsesssive bpd femcel types forget you eventually?
she hasn't harassed/threatened me for over a year now but she still posts weird art on her tumblr that may or may not be about me and its almost been 2 years

>>33473908
>Issues with their mother? Yes.
that's mommy issues bro

>unlimited likes
>but swiping too much will kill your ELO so you can't just mass swipe
Man, what a life

>>33475135
Imagine what share of men on dating apps don’t know about ELO and just swipe constantly, not knowing that zero women are actually seeing them and they’re at the very bottom of a huge pile of countless profiles who the algorithm has deemed untouchable.

This is why you have to make a new profile every few months with a new phone number and mix up the photos

>>33474737
>height
I’m a manlet, 5’8”, 5’9” with boots which I typically wear.


>lift status
I haven’t lifted seriously in almost a year, I look okay in clothing and most people assume I go to the gym (mostly because I have an overdeveloped chest).

You have to realize that yes women have these crazy standards they use to disqualify most men, but they’re much more lenient when you’re right in front of them. Sure a chad could still take her from me but Chad isn’t standing right in front of her.

>>33473905
Simply being extroverted and starting random conversations has worked well. Usually I just point something out about them like their outfit or a drink they’re holding, ask them where they got it etc. in this case it was a rare occasion where I simply led with interest rather than starting off platonically.

>>33475884
>Imagine what share of men on dating apps don’t know about ELO and just swipe constantly,
As in, swipe right on everything or just swipe? Still, those swipe limit are actually helpful
>every few months with a new phone number and mix up the photos
I used to remake my profile every 2-3 weeks with the same phone number and same photos, never had any major issues. Then again, it was too often and I have better results with my 6 month old profile, which I think I'll restart this month. Once my account got shadowbanned, but I've message Tinder support and it was all good

>>33475935
I read somewhere that a new number will make your “new profile” boost where you’re bumped to the top of the pile last longer. I use an app that charges like $2 to generate a new number specifically for dating app verification (it literally is only good for one text).

Oh and I’m referring to the dudes who just swipe right on everything shotgunning likes. This is obviously the fastest way to kill your ELO and if your profile is bad already you’ll quickly be determined untouchable by the algo

>>33451809 (OP)
Looksmax yourself as much as possible and then start approaching women irl. Keep it up and two things will happen. Number one, you'll get good at it. It's just like anything else you practice you'll get good at it if you practice. Number two, you'll start getting laid. It's a lot of work and you'll be rejected almost every single time but it it becomes a way of life.

She told me she doesn't know whether things are still the same between us, and that she is confused about her feelings. It's over, right?

girl at work who is quitting next week is throwing signals at me.
I am fumbling hard at flirting back. I am fucking this up so bad and I have not been in any kind of relationship/date in over 10 years.
I swear she did not give one single fuck about me when she first started then out of no where she is complimenting me and saying she will dress pretty for me on her last week. (after I complimented her back on always dressing pretty here)
This is going to be a long weekend and I am pretty sure there is no hope after not responding to her comment today

>>33477686
Likely using you to cause jealousy from another guy. I'd be careful though you don't really have anything to lose if you remain respectful. Don't get accused of harassment now.

>>33477714
I dont want to sound like im full of myself, theres like only 2 other guys there that are better looking than me but they are married with kids. All the other guys are either fat, gay, tranny or any combination of the three.
I know several people have gotten into relationships just from this place alone and im not worried about getting in trouble of harassment.
Today she walked up to me and ask me about her new skirt and I blacked out and either said something stupid or nothing at all then said I saw her driving through town yesterday like a retard

>>33477686
>>33477777
Kek lock in retard.

>>33477777
Well then fuck it. Who dares wins.

>>33470651
absolutely 100% correct anon. So much time wasted with girls that lead you on with the idea of a relationship, and the younger you are the more you believe in patience, but don't realise that put simply, they're not interested.
Compare this with my current gf of less then 3 months (who I'm definitely going to marry) where I literally didn't have to do anything other than initiate and stay engaged for the first week of very slow messaging (thought she would ghost me), and then it turned into her actively pursuing me.
like you said though, I know what I'm worth, so I'm not surprised I'm being pursued by an otherwise qt who is much wealthier than me.
i understand w*man are cunts but not objectively chad men like me don't do themselves any favours when they get lucky like this and keep second guessing why she is interested in them because they perceive her as being much higher value, and so either get clingy or have conversations about what exactly she finds interest/attractive about them that can only be turn off for her.
Engage, pursue for a bit but then be pursued. There are no other tricks to it.

>>33470843
anon you fucked up a good thing because of your insecurities. If the most descriptive you can get is 'I felt was low key judgemental' then it's clearly a (You) problem. Smart girls tend to be independent and much more picky about who they want a relationship with, so for you to be chosen was already a huge thing, and realistically all you had to do was be whoever she thought you were. You were intimidated by her and didn't know how to carry yourself because of your insecurities and so you got dumped, it's that simple. You may regret this forever you stupid retard, for your sake I hope you're under 25yo.

>>33477580

Nothing turns a woman on more than someone who doesn't give them the attention they crave from my experience.

Dating App Profile Advice

>Pictures
Pic 1 - if you are white collar do a nice sleeve roll with a nice collared shirt and some slacks and carry a laptop bag. A shot of you moving down some urban street. If blue collar then a tool bag or something in some industrial setting. Look like you are moving with a purpose.

Pic 2 - you hanging out with some “friends” having a good time. They don’t need to actually be your friends, randoms at a bar or something willing to get in on a picture and make it look like you are all buddies works. Just buy a couple randos some shots and have them look at the camera and smile with you if you are friendless

Pic 3 - something of you doing something outside. Hiking, sports, whatever.

Pic 4 - a clean professional looking photo, something you’d put on LinkedIn to get someone to hire you, not something to get you laid

Your profile text should be minimal. Think sloganeering.

You can tell me I’m stupid or whatever but this is literally what the advertising industry uses to sell products to women. Spoiler alert: you are the product.

>>33473802
>>33473806
you're uncovering the sadness driving your inflated expectations. if you can recognize and deal with that, it's a good thing.

>match with someone
>"I always reply" in her bio
>message her, she messages me back
>message her some more, no answer
>check her profile few days later
>"I always reply" line gone
Top kek. It do be like that

>>33471902
Same dude, in my 20s.

Dumped my last gf, she was an insane bipolar but she was loveable. I reserved myself emotionally and knew I was going to dump her in a few months so I refused to have sex which I am proud of. I don't want to use or be used by women.

Seems all women have traumas about exes they never get over and while this is sad and I want them to be happy I'd rather die than be with them.

Men are not vanishing, they are retreating. From relationships, from institutional demands, from collective obligation. Not by cowardice, nor nihilism, nor weakness but by sacred refusal to collude with a world that has hollowed out the feminine into parody and severed eros from its mythic root.
This retreat is not a conscious movement toward soul, for most men have not heard of soul. It is not a deliberate descent into myth, for most don't remember the myths. And yet it happens, everywhere.
Men retreat not in search of the feminine within but in search of refuge. They turn away from real relationships, work, education, not because they hate women, but because the outer feminine devoid of beauty, of function, of soul has become unrecognizable and if given a choice between emptiness and the parody, they choose emptiness. They choose nothing rather than violate what remains of their inner integrity.
But it is there, in the void, that the great possibility stirs.
Even if they do not name her, do not know her, have never met her, still within that emptiness, the anima awaits.
She does not need to be reimagined, reengineered, or "updated". She does not ask to be made familiar to the modern psyche. She need only be seen. Once. As she is in the dark, without distortion, without irony, without demand.

This act of remembering is enough.

Because where culture collapses, myth re-emerges and where men descend into the silence beneath language, soul prepares its next eruption. The anima was never meant to be found in daylight; she is born in shadow, dwells in dream, and speaks first through absence.
So let it be said: true virtue is born in darkness.
And when men meet her there not as escape, not as fantasy, but as a reawakening they will return. Not as obedient citizens of a broken world, but as bearers of the fire, as visionaries, warriors, poets, and builders, not of new systems but of meaningful life.

This is not disappearance, it's gestation.

I think having sex ruined me.
>became fwb with a total whore last year
>her pussy was absolutely insane, frequent, dick crushing orgasms
>crazy kinky sex normal sane girls wouldnt be ok with
We eventually stopped seeing each other and I got a gf, but that was 10/10 sex every time we were together and I'm worried I ruined myself with her and I'll not find someone who can compare. No longer with my gf and Im so tempted to hit her up again, how do I overcome?

>>33454333
>there has to be a way
There is. Learn how to Pavlov yourself into not wanting people. That’s what I’ve done and the only thing that’s kept me on this path is complete celibacy and SR.

>>33457622
You need to shave, get a haircut and spend more time in the sun. Get some nice shades and a perhaps a new wardrobe

>go out with girl
>we're sitting in her car talking after leaving restaurant
>she says she's afraid to date me because I give her fuckboy vibes

meanwhile I'm literally talking to zero people besides her and I haven't had sex in almost 3 years.
how the fuck am I giving off a fuckboy vibe? she's not even the first person to tell me that and I wasn't seeing anyone then either.
like I admit I'm extroverted and a flirt by habit but how does that translate to fuckboy?

>>33477868
alright, im going out of town on thursday-saturday do I ask for her number on Wednesday before I leave?

>>33481448
>like I admit I'm extroverted and a flirt by habit but how does that translate to fuckboy?
How are you an extroverted flirty guy and havent been laid in 3 years? Choice? Sexual confidence is hard to come by so youre just getting lumped in with playboys who want to hook up i guess

>>33481448
>>33482186
like the other anon said, women assume if you're confident and charismatic and sexually aggressive, that you've slept with lots of women.

It's funny because the girl I lost my virginity to said I gave her fucboi/player vibes, while the girl I met recently after I've been with a bunch of women asked me if I was a virgin. The difference is with the first girl, I tried hard to act like I was experienced, while with the recent girl, I was going out of my way to try to be a gentleman - holding back on sex mostly I think.

Goes to show that women don't know shit

I met a girl in a bar, we talked a bit, she gave me her number. Later, I sent her a WhatsApp message. (It's her number, by the way, because her WhatsApp photo matches the waitress). It's been 10 hours, I've got the icon indicating that the message has been received, but it hasn't been read. So I said to myself, I'm giving up.

But looking back, at no point did I ask her if she used WhatsApp. So I'm thinking maybe I sent a message on WhatsApp, but she doesn't really use it. Because, come to think of it, I know people who own a whatsapp account but don't use it.
So I was hesitating whether to let it go with her or send the same message back by SMS and then let it go if she doesn't reply, but I hate being seen as needy
Sorry for the silly question but it's been on my mind a bit.

>got drunk at bar and complimented girl about her look for 30min straight
>she then whisper to me to just kiss her already instead of talking
I fucking hate it. I shouldve grabbed it in 10min. where is the hint. FUCK

>>33482241
>that you've slept with lots of women.

but fuckboy doesn't just mean I sleep around, it has a more negative connotation like I'm manipulative or enjoy playing with girls' feelings. I guess that's my issue and why she doesn't trust me not to play with her

>>33482186
>Choice?
no, lack of ability to close basically

I got dumped recently, it was just 4 months. I had collected maybe 1 number from a girl during it and already used her up for a date directly after getting dumped. She wasn't interested.

other than that, I got 2-3 numbers from approaching girls in stores/street but those never materialized into anything. I know it's a numbers game, and timing, scene are everything.

This last girl I was with, it was very fragile. She had thought I was a badass and quickly found out I wasn't. I want to try to maintain that role this time. The reason I got her was probably beause she saw me with two female friends, and although I had told this girl she was beautiful, I waited for a few moments until the perfect time to ask her out immediately after a long and fruitful conversation where we went straight to kissing and fucking after.

Not only was she the most beautiful woman I've seen outside of movies, but she was 10+ years younger than me. She blows 99% of girls I see out of the park, and I am not exaggerating. You'd think this would give me the ultimate confidence, but no. I see it as a freak accident. In fact, I see all of my relationships/fucks as freak accidents, because they are. Any time I've tried to go out and make things happen, it never fucking works. The best way is to just focus on my own shit and hope god gives me another chance one day. This sucks, but I need to be single for a while anyway.

Any thoughts, nigs?

A girl I was seeing and went on two dates with sent me a long message that was like I'm not ready for a relationship all that bullshit, I just replied to it with "K". Was that the right move or is she gonna think I'm seething? She has tattoos anyway so I really don't care much.

>>33483039
is she living rent free in your mind. if not, any low effort reply is okay.

>>33482982
>Any thoughts, nigs?
>She had thought I was a badass and quickly found out I wasn't. I want to try to maintain that role this time.
Bro... are you a badass? In your own words, no. If your goal is just to fuck a bit and move on, pretending is no problem though it will likely burn bridges. But if you want a long term relationship, this won't work. Do you really think you can fake being Chad for years? Unironically just be your regular self and you'll eventually find someone ok with who you really are. Doesn't mean you should stay a loser if you are one, but you can't change personality, just accept what you have, it's easier than being someone you aren't.

>>33483114
I wasn't putting on a show, I gave her my authentic self, I honestly dont know why she would call me a rockstar and assumed I had sex with a ton of women. We connected on mutual interests and it was all very sweet. I think I just caved after she told me she loved me and I constantly thought about how I wanted to marry her, and I got afraid of losing her which led to me getting too clingy.

>>33483067
Ok, thanks. I just thought it might be a bit mean but at the end of the day I'll never see her again so its whatever