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Any guide for autists on how to properly Humans or how to act kind of normal ?

>>33459419 (OP)
>how to properly Humans
You might try using verbs.

>>33459419 (OP)
Humans mistakenly think their emotions are real.
they simply don't have the mental architecture to check if their feelings are real or not.
They also automatically get their self image by compulsively agreeing with other people's feelings/opinions about them.
Again, they don't have the hardware to check. It is literally impossible for them to interrupt the process, it just automatically runs, they're forced to have a self image based on how they think other people see them.
This, combined with them being unable to tell when their emotions aren't real, means they are constantly in a state of hallucinating their ass off.
Their brain just makes shit up ALL THE FUCKING TIME, not an exaggeration, they live in a permanent state of hallucination, where their brains are just making shit up:
To give their emotions an excuse / justification for existing
To reinforce the self concept that they don't even choose, they just download automatically from the hive mind
To reconcile and soothe cognitive dissonance
And these aren't choices, these aren't a meme, this is literally how their brain is wired on a fundamental level. There simply isn't any nerves in their brain that lets their consciousness go "Hey, this is dumb, how about no". They're literally obliged by biology to think their emotions are real, and to agree with other people's view of themselves.

There's no way in hell you can fake that. Sorry.
But if you really have to try, you have to realise that they simply don't see reality like you do, they see emotions and social status, then they hallucinate until the "Reality" they see is compatible with the emotions and social status they randomly stumbled into.
Only in that framework can they do actual thoughts or goals.
If you want to act normal, you need to emulate these routines - of only having thoughts or goals within a hallucination that perceives your feelings and social status as being real.

>>33459419 (OP)
>>33460037
That said, once you do get into humans' heads and realise that they unironically are built this way, the rest of their behaviour is just an obvious attempt to keep feeling like they aren't worthless in a world where (in their perspective) all these random emotions and self-image fragments come out them out of nowhere.

>>33460037
>Again, they don't have the hardware to check. It is literally impossible for them to interrupt the process, it just automatically runs, they're forced to have a self image based on how they think other people see them.

This is an autist's dilemma. That's something the autist does. They rely on what other people think of them so they can craft a mask to better fit in. Underneath the mask, the autist has no real sense of who they are. The autist thinks a sense of self is hallucinations, an abstraction, a matter of thought or feeling. Just like you do.

>>33459419 (OP)
>Any guide for autists on how to properly Humans or how to act kind of normal?

There's loads. My advice would be to seek an autist specialist therapist who has autism. They exist in abundance too. These are autists who know how to thrive and manage their autism so well they make a career out of teaching other fledgling autists how to do it.

I'm not an autist myself, so I cannot offer good advice for autists. Only autists can advise other autists on this matter, since they know that mode of existence better than anyone else. But you need to find an older wiser autist who developed true self awareness and understands that the truth is, reality isn't black-or-white. There is no binary to the structure of reality. That you live in a world where people's brains are wired differently, and therefore, people perceived and experience reality itself in a different way.

That feeling the autist has, feeling like an alien that crashed into a foreign planet where everyone is not as they are, that feeling is actually real. It's a true description of the reality of things. Your mind is wired differently to everyone else. Specifically the parietal lobes of the brain and the cerebellum, amygdala and frontal cortex.

If you wish to thrive in life, my advice as a non-autist is it's better to not betray >what< you are in favor of trying to find out >who< you are. Do not worry about trying to emulate us non-autists. It will not make you happy.

Instead lean on what you are without apology and be the autist you were meant to be. That's your honest identity and one that you need not be ashamed of. Just filter out those who reject you for it, and stay close to those who love you for it.

>>33460099
Everything you just wrote is correct except for "dilemma", that's you projecting your dissatisfaction / stress over lacking a stable sense of self. Literally nobody asked for that dissatisfaction and a stable sense of self isn't a requirement for anything, so there is no dilemma - just don't have a sense of self, problem solved because there was never any problem.

>>33460172
>dilemma", that's you projecting your dissatisfaction / stress over lacking a stable sense of self.

I perhaps was projecting, yes. You make a good point. However it's not my dissatisfaction I project, merely anecdote from autists I know. From what I interpret as their dissatisfaction with no-self.

And you already provided the solution for that, you are right on the money.

>Just don't have a sense of self, problem solved.
That's exactly the answer. And what I recommend partly to OP here >>33460133

>Instead lean on what you are without apology and be the autist you were meant to be. That's your honest identity and one that you need not be ashamed of.
It's consistent with leaning in on being autistic. So I agree with you, that's how that inner dilemma is solved.

There remains a problem though. And the problem doesn't come from the autist or having 'no-self'. The problem occurs from others, non-autists, who encounter a literal self-less autist. That problem is the autist having no self = autist has no boundaries. Autist gets exploited, manipulated, abused, used, treated like trash. And the autist struggles to know how to see it coming or how to defend against it, due to zero boundaries from zero sense of self.

The fault would entirely be on the non-autists who exploit them. I don't wish to blame the autist at all in this example. However, the world is relentless, it keeps going. People keep taking advantage. If you get rid of one user, another takes his or her place. So the autist would be wise to develop some sense of boundaries or sense of self. Even if it's illusory to the autist, make it a strong illusion, one sturdy enough to be a shield to protect oneself.

>>33459419 (OP)
Here you go..

>>33460133
>If you wish to thrive in life, my advice as a non-autist is it's better to not betray >what< you are in favor of trying to find out >who< you are.
How do you know what you are? What's the difference between what you are and who you are?
>That's your honest identity and one that you need not be ashamed of.
I have hated and repressed the autistic side of me for so long that any attempt at bringing it out feels painful. It gives me this visceral sense of shame because of how perverse and dirty this condition feels. I hate autism more than anything else and I've wanted to be cured of it for so long.
(I'm not OP btw.)