Would it be cringe if I gave my gf astral projection-tier oral, but refused to let her suck my dick? Would women get upset at that, or would it be a relief for them? What about no PIV either?
I've gotten pretty good at eating pussy over the years, but I always feel like shit when she cums and then feels obligated to suck me off or let me fuck her.
Do you think there are women out there that wouldn't object to me just eating them out/using a dildo for when she wants penetration?
I'm not a sub, I just don't like my dick touched.

>I'm not a sub, I just don't like my dick touched.
You were abused. I don't care what you say, I don't care what arguments you have, you are a victim of sexual abuse. Probably very early childhood if you have no active recollection of it. You'd be surprised how many fucked up parents out there will diddle their own kids as babies.
A healthy male human with a normal sex drive will want to fuck. You are neither healthy nor normal and will not find a woman who is healthy or normal at this rate either. It doesn't matter how good you eat pussy, women WANT TO BE FUCKED. BY A MAN. If you're not using you're dick, you're basically a male lesbian.

>>33467725
I want to fuck, but
1. my dick is small
2. women treat it as a way to pacify their bf instead of actually enjoying it. In hindsight my ex had to expressly say that she wanted me inside of her for me to do it. Even though I wanted nothing more than to pin her to the mattress and go at it.
Blowjobs and handjobs are a no go though.
I remember my mother jerking me off in the bathtub when I was like 6, but when I think about it it's not truamatic, so I doubt that's the cause.

>>33467745
Bro what
That anon above is a fucking messiah how did you know?? >>33467725

>>33467745
>1. my dick is small
There isn't a dick longer than 6 inches in all of Asian and yet they have no problem fucking like rabbits in India and China. You're probably fine if it's not a medical micropenis (< 3 inches long erect).
>2. women treat it as a way to pacify their bf instead of actually enjoying it.
This is only true once you've transitioned into the LTR stage.
Even then, plenty of women enjoy PIV sex. Blackpill incel retards might tell you otherwise but some women do in fact have orgasms from getting fucked with a dick, there's a reason why they want it.
>I remember my mother jerking me off in the bathtub when I was like 6, but when I think about it it's not truamatic, so I doubt that's the cause.
Bro unless you're le epic tr0lling me and just wasting my and your lives, THIS IS EXACTLY THE CAUSE.
No wonder you're so fucked up about women touching your dick. If I had to guess, you feel "guilty" about not wanting to reciprocate
Therapy is a meme for most people but you actually need it. Go to a sexual abuse/trauma therapist specifically, an expensive one with lots of credentials.
>>33467816
It's just classic behavior of the abused, feeling guilty at your own pleasure while being too "eager to please" a partner. I was never abused but I've dealt with abused women and it goes the same way.

>>33467855
Ah yes, Indians, the most desirable of men for women who totally aren't getting bargained of into arranged marriages.
In all seriousness I am so blackpilled that I might just loop back around to believing all the "size doesn't matter" and all the other copes just for the sake of sanity, even though I firmly believe them to be just that, copes.
>THIS IS EXACTLY THE CAUSE.
No I'm not trolling, but I genuinely don't think it's that big of an issue. It was a one time thing that never happened again, she literally just said something along the lines of "if you stoke it like this, it'll feel really good" while she did it and other than that she was a very loving mother that sacrificed a lot to raise me, so obviously there was no malice. While it technically falls under the sexual assault umbrella, it's nowhere near therapy worthy. Especially not compared to people who actually need therapy, like war vets or girls that have been gang raped or something. It would feel silly to pretend like something as benign as what happened to me is anywhere near that.
But you ARE right about the guilt. I think that's mainly due to size insecurity though, not because of anything else.

>>33467654 (OP)
I don’t believe you.

>>33467950
care to elaborate?

>>33467948
>Especially not compared to people who actually need therapy, like war vets or girls that have been gang raped or something.
There's that guilt talking.
Anon, YOUR MOM JERKED YOU OFF. I'm physically ill even trying to imagine that happening to me. Trust me, you need therapy more than some crybaby wounded warrior project faggot.
And it doesn't matter if she was a "terrific" mother in every other respect, she deeply wronged you. My mom also worked hard and sacrificed and gave me everything she could, except for fucking handjobs or any other sexual interaction lol. That shit is not right.

I'm not going to waste any more time replying to this thread, because there's nothing more to say, but I want to reiterate OP is VERY VERY ABNORMAL for your mom to teach you to masturbate, let alone to masturbate you.
Whether or not you want to admit it, there is no other reason for you to not want your dick touched as a heterosexual male. Your feelings of guilt and feeling like you're "making women obligated" to have sex with you, are coping mechanisms.
It is the reason for your issue. There is no debate. Either fix it or resign yourself to only ever being with weird women who will leave you for some guy that actually knows how to be a man and fuck. Fuck.

>>33468014
Going from being "sexually assaulted" to feeling guilty about being touched seems like a logical leap to me though. Like how does one thing relate to the other?

>>33468135
>>33468014
Especially because if I imagine myself with a bigger dick, or better looking face, more muscles etc. I have no problem with them touching it. That would make a lot more sense to me too.

>>33467986
Idk, maybe you dick is diseased or disabled and you are shy about it.

>>33467654 (OP)
>Would it be cringe if I gave my gf astral projection-tier oral, but refused to let her suck my dick? Would women get upset at that, or would it be a relief for them?
Depends on the woman.
>What about no PIV either?
Almost no woman would be okay with that.

>>33472407
what if my dick was small?

>>33468135
>your mom touched your dick
>you know incest is wrong
>you don’t want to relive the experience because you know it’s wrong
>you don’t want women touching your dick because it reminds you of what your mom did to you
>you don’t want to admit that’s the reason because that requires reliving the bad memory, so you make up a different excuse like “my dick is too small”
>solution: admit that’s the reason, decide “I don’t care anymore” and allow yourself to enjoy normal sex

That’s your problem. This has been therapy with anon, now go find a real therapist so they can tell all that to you again

>>33473422
If I imagine in my head that I simply don't care about what happened and have sex, then I'm still insecure. But when I imagine myself with a bigger dick, I have no qualms anymore and can confidently fuck her.
I still don't get where the guilt is supposed to come from.

>>33467745
>my mother jerking me off
Hahahahaha ew!
Jk

Anyway
I don't like getting my pussy ate
Too boring and passive
I like DOING stuff, that's part of the fun
Making YOU squirm wince breathe funny let a noise slip etc
Hehe
Woman who likes you would love to get YOU off

But yeah I'm too lazy/sacred to actually do any sex shit, better to reserve it for special times. Bye

Lazy women who don't rly like you would prefer ur type

>>33473466
The guilt comes from the fact that you participated in a sexually taboo action (mother/son masturbation).
Subconsciously you do not want to acknowledge that this is the source of the guilt, because you do not want to relive the bad memory.
But the feeling of guilt is still there.
So you assign a different source to the guilt: “My penis is too small to please my gf. I don’t want my gf to feel obligated to suck me off. I would rather give pleasure to my gf than obligate her to give pleasure to me.”
And to validate this analysis, note how your rationalizations are actually totally irrational - they are all based on your assumptions of what your gf is feeling, not how she actually feels. Maybe she wants to suck you off, you don’t know what she really wants because you don’t ask her.
What you have done is invented an imaginary cause (the “obligation” you assume your gf is feeling) to explain your innate feeling of sexual guilt and insecurity, then assigned that cause to an external third party (your gf), all do you can avoid acknowledging your bad memory of sexual abuse.
In other words you are EXTERNALIZING you guilt at having participated in mother/son sex

>>33476212
I do acknowledge it though. I know it's not something that should've happened. Thinking about if it were to happen now is disgusting, but thinking about the actual incident is not bad. I wasn't physically hurt, I don't have PTSD or anything when I think about it. It's like remembering how you fell of your bike for me. Yes it sucked, but it's not like falling off a bike has left me with a scar.
I did however have a bad experience with my ex that was solely because of me not having a big dick, so I learned that women don't like that. I think you're reading too deep into this.

>>33476292
Go to therapy
T. Someone who has gone through similar shit.

Unless you are truly indifferent to PIV there's something you are not fully dealing with