Thread 33494958

Is life better if you avoid women? Seems it's 10x more stressful than being alone, but then again it's stressful dealing with FOMO on romantic experiences

>>33494958 (OP)
Have you tried finding the right woman? You don't have to date someone that's unbearable to be with. Give people a chance, if it doesn't work just move on.

>>33494965
>Have you tried finding the right woman?
>Give people a chance
>if it doesn't work just move on
Not OP but it gets pretty tiring when you do this the 101th time it gets tiring. I'm not even a truecel khhv, I've had gfs in the past, but it's getting so tiring dealing with modern women I just want to give up but my dick won't let me.

And before you give me any spiel about "manning up" or "working harder" I'd like to remind you that up until about 50 years ago men had to do nothing else but exist and have a paycheck to get a decent wife. There was no bonesmashing, mewing, "-maxxing," "666 rule" or any of that shit.
>that's terminally-online incel shit!
The existence of this shit is indicative of the problem, the exception IS the rule

>>33494958 (OP)
'no women no cry' - Bob Marley

>>33494991
Yah I was not going to say anything remotely like that. If you're tired of trying then don't, you don't need to. Relationships aren't something that you need to be in at all times. If you're only doing it for poon then you don't need to be in a relationship to have sex, and I also feel like if that's the reason why you pursue relationships then your standards aren't conductive to finding the type of person that you'd actually enjoy being with.

>>33494958 (OP)
If you can, it's probably better. There is so much you have to do to get and maintain a woman's interest that it's so much easier not to. Plus, if she cheats or leaves you for someone else then it will be very painful.

>>33494965
Been dating since I was 15 and I'm almost 30 now. I dated 4-5 girls for 1-3 years. Doesn't seem any girl is bearable past a year. Honestly I feel it's way worse after the honeymoon phase. After that point they try forcing obligations like family dinners or listening to them complain about their job or "friends" etc and I feel it's just too domesticated. Maybe I'm not made for relationships. When I was younger I wanted kids, but now I feel good just with a dog and helping my younger brothers, maybe volunteering at orphanages or children's hospitals on occasion. I've also saved up a ton of money, so kids would delay my retirement by a lot and then a marriage could kill half my hard work in savings.
>>33494991
Yeah, man, that's how I feel. I'm actually more successful than I even thought I'd be. On paper I look like a really well balanced person, which is appealing for dating, but I'm really just bored of it. I've dated every kind of girl at this point and it always ends up feeling like a bad deal.
>but my dick won't let me.
Yeah, same, thinking I might strictly go fwb or the paid route to just let my brain move to other stuff as efferently as possible.
>>33495080
Yeah, suffered a lot of pain over the years from heartbreak. Sadly it's always the chicks I'm most into that end up cheating. You either settle for a chick you're less into or accept girls out of your league will be high maintenance if you can land them to begin with.

>>33495124
You don't have to if you don't want to. If you're good with where you are in life then that's great. What I was saying was more in line with looking for someone who meets your requirements. In this case, someone who doesn't want an expensive marriage, doesn't want kids right now, agrees with you on the "domesticated" issues in regards to lifestyle. I think there's a lot of variety out there so try being picky when you feel like the time is right.

>>33495043
>>33495200
You don't have to keep replying if you don't want to
>In this case, someone who doesn't want an expensive marriage, doesn't want kids right now, agrees with you on the "domesticated" issues in regards to lifestyle.
I don't know where OP lives but at this point if you don't already have a woman like that, you're ever gonna find one.

>>33495200
>>33495216
At this point if you live in the US*

>>33495220
>>33495216
Bro...

>>33495216
>>33495220
Do you think I'm better off leaving USA to find a girl like that? I think I'm giving up on dating while in USA, but I might travel around to see if it's any different

>>33495124
>On paper I look like a really well balanced person, which is appealing for dating, but I'm really just bored of it. I've dated every kind of girl at this point and it always ends up feeling like a bad deal.
Exactly. I'm so SICK of the fucking simps on this bored that think every poster that has woman trouble is some basement goblin. Guys with great "credentials" and great personalities IRL are getting shot down left and right, because women are holding out for the multimillionaire who looks like Henry Cavill (or whoever, you get the point). There are so many women out there that aren't even fucking anyone, literal femvolcels because they're pissy they can't get Chad.
Shit is broken yo, if the solution is that we need to "man up" more then maybe we should man up by forming a militia
>I might strictly go fwb or the paid route to just let my brain move to other stuff as efferently as possible
If you can get a FWB you can get a girlfriend, and let me tell you after a while fucking prostitutes gets boring. When you start cuddling with them after you bust your load that's how you know you actually need a relationship, not sex. But fuck me man do I not want to deal with a relationship right now.

>>33495239
I have no fucking clue.
I don't plan on leaving the US, women or not the gun laws here are too lax for me to want to go anywhere else with my arsenal and this is the best country in the world to do business in bar none. But my international friends don't seem to have as big of a problem with this in their homelands, nor do a lot of Europoor or Asian anons. Seems to be a Jewnited States problem.

>>33495226
So where am i supposed to find one?
>Church
I go to an extremely traditional Latin Mass parish. Those girls practically have arranged marriages with the guys they grew up with. If you're a revert or just hunting for a wife they will literally shun you, like pretend you don't exist.

To your pic related, how much is enough supposed to be? I have a job where I make $90k a year, I have a place and a car, I'm over 6', I work out, I have hobbies and friends and all that shit. When is enough enough?
>inb4 some vague bullshit about "personality" or "masculinity"
I have seen motherfuckers with the worst personalities and zero masculinity get girls. Because girls do not value those things anymore, period.
They don't want tall dark and handsome, they want safe and sleazy.

>>33495240
I can get gfs easy. My point is it just feels boring besides sex. Even sex is boring most the time. I only dwell on this since I'm in a really good spot in life, with my fitness goals, financial goals etc, so it seems I'm squandering my prime, but I guess I should just focus on other goals, like making the best art I can, making more money and helping my immediately family etc.

>>33494958 (OP)
I won't read yet another is it better to avoid women thread. See the archive.

>>33495275
>I have a job where I make $
This is always the first thing you guys present about yourselves on here and on dating apps and it's like the last thing that women care about, unless you want a mail order bride or home-grown gold digger

> I have hobbies and friends and all that shit.
Do you though? The most important thing about meeting and getting women you rank last and in the same camp as "all that shit"

>I have seen motherfuckers with the worst personalities and zero masculinity get girls.
Maybe your idea of "personality" and "masculinity" is at odds with most women's idea of it. Maybe most men's as well.

>>33494991
>>33495043
NTA but i dont even enjoy sex, but i do it because thats what women need in a relatiobship, but i never use it as leverage. I often get into realtionships because of low self esteem because of being a autistic weirdo. Unfortunately i only seem to attract normies who eventually leave in frustration because im not like everyone else, and because they cant hold pussy on a pedastal to "force" me to do anything.

>>33495289
>helping my immediately family
maybe eventually start a family of your own?

>>33495352
>i dont even enjoy sex
how

My wife is no stress, drama, super duper caring and wonderful. We've never even had a fight.

You have to get extremely lucky and find the right woman.

>>33494958 (OP)
In all the cases where I was forced to be around women, it's been almost nothing but stress and hierarchy.

>>33494958 (OP)
Yes. I do as if they have covid 19 and it's 2020.

Ever thought of smooching a pooch instead of a hoe-man?

>>33495275
Anywhere works if you're willing to cold approach people. Dating isn't about being the most illegible bachelor in the tri-state area but everyone tries to sell it as such. Convenience and/or chance dictate the overwhelming majority of relationships. What matters is getting a foot in the door. If I told you that the gym would be a great place to get a girlfriend that doesn't guarantee you one. Regardless of location you have to talk to the women. I don't like cold approaching either but it's relatively easy to make small talk, if someone isn't interested you can just move on. Other shit that helps is networking because that widens the pool of women that you can potentially have an easy time dating.

>>33495408
Ever thought of this pooch instead after seeking therapy and being on sex offender list for 5 years bettering your life?

>>33494958 (OP)
My lady is my favorite human, full stop. Life wouldn't be nearly as fulfilling without her.

I also naturally get along well with people, men or women, so life would loose a lot of its zest if I didn't interact with half the population.

>>33495365
my brain has shut down all parts that register emotional connection in relationships. I see it purely as loving but transactional situation where we both want to do good for the other person. sex to me doesnt bring me any joy nor does it make me feel "closer" to the girl im with. Its just something that you do becaue the other person wants it to be done

>>33495498
I think that just sounds like general depression where literally nothing brings you joy or a deeper emotional connection.

>>33494991
>had to do nothing else but exist and have a paycheck to get a decent wife
>decent wife

They'd just get stuck with the next best s woman and have to ride it out no matter whether she turned out horrible or was actually okay. Such was life when divorce was illegal and people married fast and early.

>>33495573
Its possible. There are moments when I find happiness. Fixing an old car, working on projects for my mom, spending time with friends, taking some pictures of a new place I havent seen before, painting, working with my hands to build things.
But on a day to day level things are baseline and average

>>33494958 (OP)
>Is life better if you avoid women?
I'm the only male in my office

One of my coworkers is a slim tall blonde blue eyed girl with small titties who likes to smoke weed and hasn't wore a bra in months

BTW, she's retarded at her own job and earns more than me (without even fucking the boss)

>>33495323
On your first point, a man needs to be a provider, bar none. And I’m sorry but as someone who is climbing the social strata the better the play the more you’re gonna pay. I’d love to have a grateful wife to spoil with a fat paycheck desu, if she was kind and submissive and sexually giving etc.
I do have hobbies. I fish at least once every few weeks. I’m BIG into cosplay, I make my own props (I even am doing a group cosplay in a few weeks with a goth baddie but I’m not getting my hopes up) and I make friends on insta because of it. I have a container garden of fruits and veggies. Outside of lifting I also box (which a whore once called “hot” after she asked me why I’m in such good shape).
Not even gonna get into the masculinity stuff, not enough time in the day.


Typing this out you might be right, I just need to calm the fuck down. My last relationship ended four months ago, I’m just getting twisted up by the mixed signals I’m getting from the goth chick. I worried about finding a wife one day but I’ll worry after four years of being single, not four months.

>>33495408
>I do as if they have covid 19 and it's 2020.
Bro is scared of fucking FLU, holy shit

>>33495380
>We've never even had a fight.
That is so lame. fighting is fun. You never argued about anything? I've been in so many arguments in my life, mostly with my mom and brother, that I've become a zen master at dealing with them.

>>33495682
>On your first point, a man needs to be a provider, bar none

That was a thing in ye olden times when gender roles were clearly defined to make the economical model of a household work.
With modern kitchen appliances , the job of "housewive" has been rendered obsolote, as they allow even a single person to run a household ith minimal workload.

Likewise, the role of "provder" has been rendered obsolete, as it is not only impossible to run a household of a single income, it is also pointless because there is no longer anything that the woman does in return. And no, spreading her legs is not something that nbeeds to be bought in any non-transactional relatsionship that is based on people liking each other.

>which a whore once called “hot”
What made her a whore?

>I’m just getting twisted up by the mixed signals I’m getting from the goth chick

You should simply go for it and find out, put her out of your mind if it doesn't work.

I am 28 and turnin 29 in a few months
Never had a gf
Never been on a date
Born lower class with nothing
Never made more than 125k from my job in a year. But I am currently a millionaire.

Didn't even invest in anything crazy.
Just lived in my aunts basement and worked for like 14 years while investing most of my savings.

I can't say my life is great but i dont really have stress. I am in good shape and the main reason i dont move out is because I dont see the benefit.

>>33494958 (OP)
You're not missing anything.

>>33494991
>men had to do nothing else but exist and have a paycheck to get a decent wife
Have your parents arrange your marriage

>>33495797
She was a whore because she took money for sex anon, it was literally a prostitute.
>put her out of your mind if it doesn’t work.
Easier said than done. This is one of the hottest girls I’ve ever regularly talked to, if I fumble this baddie it might be years until the next one comes or never
I will still go for it though, for the above reason.

>>33495453
Find me a girl who would accept me. Then I wouldn't be here shitting up your screen.
>>33495685
Early 2020 we didn't know that.

>>33496464
>Early 2020 we didn't know that.
YOU didn't know that

>>33494958 (OP)
I will take the ugly one please

>>33496472
Everyone who paid attention to china was afraid af. lying about the numbers of dead, created it using a bat soup, welding people into their own homes.

>>33497391
she looks straight up like one of those depictions of aliens in video games / movies right? xD probably anorexic, with that big ass head carrying her brain around her barely functioning body

I'd nut in her butt and eat her tasty puss

>>33494965
I do not recommend this advice at all. People are problems, full stop.

>>33495835
Millionaire status aside, I can relate to that. I don't necessarily hate the rest of the human race, but I do acknowledge that the whole world is just a feeding frenzy of big fish eating smaller fish, and that the only way to engage with another is through this predatory & vicious cycle. I don't want to fight people, and that's why I avoid human contact about as much as I can.

>>33494958 (OP)
People of this partocular philosophy call themselves MGTOW though they've all but dropped out of the mainstream or even the online sphere at large.

They were all weird hateful ugly losers with the mentality of a kid at a playground who loudly declares he's going home and taking his ball with him, when all the other kids are having fun playing amongst each other, 0 need for that kid and his ball.

>>33499978
A fun cycle, isn't it. He's hated for existing and so when he stands up for himself, he's hated even more.

Thing is, you can call these guys anything you'd like to, but nobody calls them factually incorrect.

>>33500032
>He's hated for existing and so when he stands up for himself
This has nothing to do with MGTOW or the "I don't need women" attitude.

No one is mad at you, or impressed, that you're going to collect sex dolls or buy hookers.

It's the performative declaration of removing yourself from the dating pool when you weren't even dating anyone in the first place that's cringe.

>>33499978
>>33500064
This is exactly the problem
I can tell this moron does not think about anything beyond his next meal.
In the next 40 to 50 years it will become very very much obvious that yes, "the kid and his ball" (marriage and income) were very very much needed. But by then it will be too late.
Hey, at least you had "fun," right?

>>33500189
Yep. Bootlicker ass mfers honestly.

>>33500189
>In the next 40 to 50 years it will become very very much obvious that yes, "the kid and his ball" (marriage and income) were very very much needed. But by then it will be too late.
you know women have jobs now too, right


and even if le economy bad etc there's plenty of guys out there who have jobs and aren't MGTOW incels. Owning a ball is nothing special

>>33502279
If owning a ball wasn't special you argument would amount to 'women own a ball too', you simple bootlicker you're exactly the kind of individual he was referring to and don't know it

>>33500064
>no one is mad
except for roast like (you) desperately trying to shame men back into the rat race

>>33502294
>If owning a ball wasn't special you argument would amount to 'women own a ball too',
The fact that everyone owns a ball makes it not special.
Whether "owning a ball" means having a job/career or the ability to get married. Anyone can do that.

>>33502279
>you know women have jobs now too, right
Mmmm right, but they're not having kids at the same time :^)

>>33502471
Sure they are, your mom didn't work a job?

>>33495797
Came back because I wanted to address a few things.
>With modern kitchen appliances , the job of "housewive" has been rendered obsolote, as they allow even a single person to run a household ith minimal workload.
And yet most women who have "careers" are fucking slobs and can't cook. They're also worse at their jobs. They'd be better off just fucking learning how to flip a fucking egg without breaking the yolk.
>Likewise, the role of "provder" has been rendered obsolete, as it is not only impossible to run a household of a single income, it is also pointless because there is no longer anything that the woman does in return. And no, spreading her legs is not something that nbeeds to be bought in any non-transactional relatsionship that is based on people liking each other.
Tell that to biology motherfucker. "House husbands" experience a 50% higher rate of divorce than normal. You are The Man. You go out and hunt and bring back the meat. This makes The Woman wet and want to bear your children. I have experienced this myself, when I made less money than one of my exes and WFH to take care of chores, her interest level plummeted.
In addition to that, women who work (especially in male dominated professions) are constantly badgered by men wanting to fuck them. That ex of mine eventually started dating a coworker of hers after she left me, turns out he asked her out while we were still together and who knows what they were up to together at "work".
In that same period, we were living in the suburbs and I never once saw any of the several hot housewives that lived their fucking around or doing anything out of pocket with strange men. On that note too, none of those wives worked. Husbands were just regular ass niggas too, it is more than possible to have a single income household with a family.

Holy fucking shit you zoomers are so mindbroken about everything. I can't wait for the decades of violence coming our way T B Q H

>>33502479
Only after having all seven of us and raising us to at least double digit ages, and only out of necessity because my dad ended up not being able to maintain and turned into a fucking jobless pothead bum
So no, actually, most women who want to raise families aren't delulu and recognize you can't have it all and make the decision for one or the other. And only one stops the population pyramid from inverting

>>33502495
>my dad ended up not being able to maintain and turned into a fucking jobless pothead bum
and how is this also women's fault

>>33502480
how many divorces have you been through my dude

>>33502505
Breaking up with my ex-fiancee was practically divorce
>hurr durr you didn't go to divorce court!
We still went to lawyers to divide the property we co-owned. Big fucking whoop I didn't go to family court, would have been better for me anyway because at the time I was broke so I would have gotten alimony.

>>33502500
Genuinely asking, do you have reading comprehension and logical reasoning problems?
My mom stepping up to take a job after her husband failed, with no other choice, is not the same as modern women purposefully eschewing starting families in their most fertile years and making unreasonable demands of potential mates.
Like seriously, are you just fucking with me or are you actually dumb?

>>33494958 (OP)
If you're attractive enough to get casual sex easily then do it
Otherwise don't bother

imagine how chaotic your life is and now add another person to the mix.
i think fundamentally you have to know yourself. i tried dating recently and realized it's too much "check-list" for me. plan a date here, do her a favor there, pretend to care about her silly problem, etc. for me personally, the annoyances outweighted the pros.
also for me it's like i "want" a family but i don't know how much of that is me actually wanting it or the societal expectation of it (specially since i hang out a lot on /pol/)

i'm in my early 30s so i'm still open to companionship but i feel like my standards are too specific and if not met, i'll suffer more than being alone.

>>33502735
> feel like my standards are too specific and if not met, i'll suffer more than being alone
Nothing wrong with that
This is one of the problems the /htgwg/ hugboxers refuse to acknowledge, is that communities have become either decimated or commoditized. Maybe if you had been born in the 80s, you would have met your wife on some RPG or in a game shop. Now even those spaces are completely shattered and part of the overall Darwinian sexual competition increased connectivity has granted us.

>>33494958 (OP)
Is this a Chad problem? You don't need to avoid women, usually women just avoid you.

>>33502599
Ever thought of getting into a loving relationship with a horse anon? Under the right circumstances they are cheap, and are more loving, loyal, and caring than 80% of modern women.

>>33503420
I'd fuck the horse that kicks your skull and caves it in, as a treat for the horse

>>33503824
I mean, you can fuck it before that happens if you ask nicely.

I can give my anecdotal opinion. I have had sex with around 30 women, a lot of that was before I was in my mid 20s. I have been in a lot of relationships and I have loved a lot of women and cared about them more than I cared about myself. I can tell you 100% with absolute certainty that my life would have been better if I had not dated or been involved with any of them. some of them I even wanted to marry. I can tell you this too that while you can never make a catch all rule that applies to 100 percent of situations there are still trends and one that I believe is that while both men and women fuck up and do stupid shit, men are more loyal to people they care about and more dependable when times are hard. women are generally the last people you want to trust or rely on during difficult times. And there are a lot of fucked up doublestandards where a man is expected to support and help a woman through their challenges in life, where as often when a man is struggling there is no reciprocation of support and the woman just gets the ick and leaves and monkey branches to another dude.
it’s real fucked up out there for men. women will break up with you or not trust you because you don’t open up or whatever or share enough of your feelings but we all know someone where their gf broke up with them despite “loving them” bcecause they were crying about something like losing a family member or whatever and it “changed the way” the woman “saw them”. Men are better at loving women for their good and their bad points and women mostly imo love the image or idea they have of a man and once that illusion or idea is broken in anyway they just leave as I said earlier.


I’ll finish this by saying both men and women have a lot of dumb crap that they do but when times are hard and fucked up (which will always happen in life) the man is more or less on their own and that is not something a woman worriesexperienxes in the same way.

>>33502480
I don’t think ive ever dated a woman who knows how to cook unless it’s something simple like making eggs. And these are people that have been in college and have decent paying jobs and their own apartment and shit. dating for men sucks for this reason also because if you marry a lot of people they bring nothing to the table and only ask what you bring to the table. Imagine working full time and coming home and having to cook for your stay at home wife every night and on the weekends you have to fix everything around the house and they get mad because they have to clean the dishes sometimes. it’s just so much extra bullshit for the prospect of sex. Not to mention what you can lose if you divorce. Marriage is a losing proposition in most cases and if a woman could at least cook or do something it would be great. I love making food for other people and stuff but if someone I’m dating doesnt have the initiative or drive to learn how to do any of that shit on their own they are just a burden at a point.

>>33495124
Fucking same man. Every time I get a gf, I get 100% tired of her shit after 1 year. I dont give a fuck about your friend outings or meeting your fucking aunt that I won't even remember in the next 5hrs. I'm perfectly OK with just having a fucking cat and screwing the occasional hole from time to time. I used to want kids and all that but the game is rigged by retarded bitches. Hell my gf now is talking about kids later in life and this bitch is 29 as if she has immortality. I just shake my head

>>33507529
My gf can't cook and hardly fucking cleans up, even after herself. I decided quietly a long time ago that she isn't getting a ring from me. I'll be damned.

>>33507638
I got redpilled watching my dad with this because he had to commute and make my mom food when he got home and now that he’s gone (rip) I am making food for my mom because she literally doesn’t know how to cook and I’m trying to teach her so she has proper nutrition. It’s really ridiculous. people say that baby boomers were not taught how to cook by their parents and I believe this. My dad learned by cooking in restaurants and also had a few friends teach him when he was younger. Most of what I know I learned from my dad or the internet. she only knows how to make eggs or peanut butter sandwhiches and even making eggs is too hard for her to do on a regular basis because that means cleaning your pan and shit. most of what she’s eaten since my dad has passed has been food I prepared her, or some microwaved shit she made herself. Love her and everything but wtf.

>>33507623
Problem is many woman wouldn’t make good mothers anyway. that’s the real issue people don’t want to talk about publically. So many woman say they don’t want to have kids and the sad thing is it’s probably for the best because they would just fuck it up.

>>33494958 (OP)
Dont bother. If you are here then you are probally not a chad so this hypothetical girlfriend will play stupid little mind games and shittests, will take up alot of mental bandwidth just to keep happy and will cheat on you. DONT BOTHER. We all missed the train, modern women are children.

>>33495498
I'm a virgin so what the fuck do I know, but this is how I imagine what sex with a real person would be like for me too. I think it's because many parts of men's sexuality get vilified by society so much that they can't express their sexuality in a satisfying way with real people anymore. Things like being a bit forceful, liking youthfulness, first things coming to mind. So in the real world, you either get stuck following the someone else's rulebook like a robot so that it doesn't feel like your own expression anymore, or you let it loose, accompanied with immense feelings of guilt and self-doubt and paranoia of what you did wrong, which robs you of satisfaction. Sure, you can agree on things in advance, but in that case it's a game and not pure expression.

I think men's sexuality is in many cases forceful, controlling and freedom-seeking, and just the ability to do what you want is big part of it, and it seems to fit with women's (real) sexuality. Men's sexuality has been put in a cage. Only sociopaths get to enjoy sexuality in modern society, or people who just happen to be exclusively into gentle caring sex (which is not representative of the range of male sexuality). Linking to this thread again: https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/32019336/

Porn, especially purely fictional (manga) or AI roleplaying is the only way I can enjoy my sexuality freely because it doesn't have those modern world constraints. I mean, there are always consequences in the real world compared to porn, but I think it was more manageable back in the day and worth pursuing.

What I'm trying to say, if you have genuine sexual fantasies but don't enjoy actual sex, maybe the problem is with how you are having sex.

>>33494958 (OP)
Unfortunately when we were born nobody gave us a manual of how to do life. So you can't go wrong- you are a winner just by being here.
Give it over to the universe, and what you need will be provided, but you have to stop striving and struggling and suffering. Life is what it is, give up, let the universe show the way.

>>33508006
This is a bigger problem than most people ITT will acknowledge. It's not men being "bitter cunts" part of it is the attitude of the modern woman. But simps and faggots will never admit to this.

>>33512334
I know you said you're a virgee n all but brother it's kind of incredibly common for women to be submissive and looking for someone dominant. Over half of your whinging here is straight wrong teebeeaytch

>>33512478
Family upbringing matters a lot on a society level scale. If you ever met your friends parents or whoever raised them or saw their home conditions it gives you insight into how they became the way they are. I remember being a friend with one guy in HS who was pretty cool but I did not get along with his brother who had a shit tier fucking attitude and when the cool brother had me come over to the house everything clicked because they had a run down shitty house with no money and they were raised by their grandma but I never even saw her when I was there so who knows how involved she actually was.

Even if you have someone brought up in a nice house with a mom and a dad if the mom or the dad is messed up in anyway it still will fuck shit up a lot of the time. The one good parent is your good influence but the bad parent will cause you a bunch of stress and anxiety constantly and they will give you weird issues.
The actual amount of people raised by two normal parents who are both good people is probably way lower than society would suggest on the outside. I think this is a large reason why so many people are fucked up is from the very start (assuming they themselves don’t have some fucked up shit they inherited genetically) if they grow up in some dysfunctional environment the cards are stacked against them from day 1 and it’s an uphill battle to work against that to function normally. It can be done but if you have a group of 100 people raised in suboptimal family environments how many of them will overcome this and be high functioning by the time they are 25 or whatever? you can scale this up to the population of a country and suddenly society makes a lot more sense. Many of the people who caused me the most problems in my life where people that had some sort of fucked up upbringing in some way and I did not notice that commonality until years later down the line where I could see the pattern.

>>33494958 (OP)
>I'm afraid of being in a relationship but I'm also afraid of not being in one
Lmao, classic /adv/ thread

>>33494958 (OP)
>Is life better if you avoid women?
Can you say you're a man if you've never fucked a woman while she moans your name?

>>33494958 (OP)
The idea of romance and what people say it gives you is better than what women actually offer. When loyalty and consistent sex can't be guaranteed at all even if you try hard on your end it's not something worth getting involved in unless you enjoy dealing with those things missing. Unless you have a chastity cage or cuck chair ready it's going to be a bad time.

>>33499978
>They were all weird hateful ugly losers with the mentality of a kid at a playground who loudly declares he's going home and taking his ball with him, when all the other kids are having fun playing amongst each other, 0 need for that kid and his ball
If all the "kids" were just having fun you wouldn't have so much sexlessness, cheating, breakups and general drama from these relationships. Mgtow also got censored and called terrorists for accurately criticizing women or talking about what made them avoid part of what made them human. It would be weirder not to talk about an ongoing problem that bad. Really redditor tier analysis.

To say modern relationships are just like kids peacefully having fun playing amongst each other in a playground is so out of touch. It's more like kids in a prison yard high off drugs their parents gave them hitting each other with sticks.

>>33507623
>I dont give a fuck about your friend outings or meeting your fucking aunt that I won't even remember in the next 5hrs.
Yes, this is why it is her role to organize get-togethers with the family and keep you in touch with distant acquiantances.

>>33519580
Agreed. Just get a loyal DW instead.

I think it really depends on how you choose to live your life and the boundaries you set for yourself.

I don’t bother with women who are problematic—I’ve got an endless number of things I’d rather focus my energy on that are more productive.

Having the resolve to walk away when it’s not worth it makes a huge difference, especially if you have a fulfilling life outside of women. That said, feminine energy is still fun to have around.