Thread 33496469

How do I cope with the fact that whenever women express dating preferences, or how they would like it if their bf did x or y or what outfits they like on a guy or whatever else, in their heads, they always picture vidrel when they say it?
Seriously, how do I make peace with that? I can't take women's dating advice seriously anymore, because I know they all hold out for a guy like that and get disappointed when instead some mid guy dates them instead always wishing the former would come in and sweep them off their feet like in their romance novels.
I'm tired, but I don't know how to proceed from here.

>>33496469 (OP)
Stop caring. Birds like handsome guys - so what? It's so confusing to me how people act like blackpill is some massive strewthnvke when it's literally just "yeah so looks matter a lot in life" like that's the most obvious thing ever. Anyway don't you like hot women more than frumpy ones? Same shit man

>>33496747
>"yeah so looks matter a lot in life"
That's not really what I take issue with. It sucks, sure, but I could at least file it away as that if it weren't for women autistically pushing back against that notion. Men never do that, or at least never to near the same extent as women.
Whenever people discuss dating or even broach the subject of looks they always vehemently defend their position that women aren't as shallow as men, or that women aren't visual creatures and care more about personality and whatever flavor of virtue signaling there is.
So on one hand, I want to take women's advice into serious consideration and take what they say at face value, but on the other, their words are very mismatched with their actions.

>>33496469 (OP)
I won't read any thread that has "cope" in the first line. One just knows it's going to be inane much-ado-about nothing that has been replied to innumerable times before but OP is too retarded to ever dream of using the archive.

>>33496816
I won't read "I won't read replies", sorry.

>>33496808
It's untrue yeah. Some r lying and others are deluded. Does it really matter to you though? Why r u so interested in the thoughts and opinions of random women? Especially if you know you don't have a chance with them

>>33497897
>Why r u so interested in the thoughts and opinions of random women?
I'm not anymore I guess, but I used to, because I thought their advice applied to me.

>>33496816
I'm won't read I won't read replies.

>>33496469 (OP)
>How do I cope with the fact that
By realising it's not a fact, I guess.

>>33496469 (OP)
> How do I cope with made-up nonsense that only exists in my head.
Go outside you fool. In real life, sometimes normal and even ugly men with terrible personalities have women fighting over them.
Stop being such a fag obsessing over hot men and what girls say. Grow up.

>>33496469 (OP)
Oh boy, it's another thread of
>women are so EVIL because they like good looking men it's a good thing we don't like good looking women also am I right my fellow men?
Yawn, I've read this one before OP. Many times.

>>33496808
>>33496469 (OP)
>Whenever people discuss dating or even broach the subject of looks they always vehemently defend their position that women aren't as shallow as men, or that women aren't visual creatures and care more about personality and whatever flavor of virtue signaling there is.
They say this because it's true and you're mad because it's false. As in; generally speaking, yes, women are much more holistic about attraction than men are. An ugly man who's really good at guitar or acting will be drowning in pussy compared to a gorgeous man who's an inert meat slab. So it's true in that sense. It's false in the sense that when women give dating advice to men, they don't really give advice to men as men, they give advice as if the recipient was a woman who didn't have to worry about personal safety. Very very easy for women to get sex and get a relationship, so when they say "teehee just be yourself and be interesting and you'll be able to hook up teehee" they're not lying to your face, they legitimately think that's all you need to do because that's all they need to do.
>How do I cope with the fact that whenever women express dating preferences, or how they would like it if their bf did x or y or what outfits they like on a guy or whatever else, in their heads, they always picture vidrel when they say it?
Why are you thinking about other men when you're trying to fuck women? Very faggy behavior.

>>33498896
So women don't like good looking men?
>>33498903
picrel
>>33498918
They're not evil for liking good looking men. They are "evil" for never admitting it when they go out of their way to give dating advice to men who aren't good looking, or even in general.
I've said this already >>33496808 , but men don't go around preaching how they're aren't shallow and will overlook physical attractiveness.
>>33500016
>An ugly man who's really good at guitar or acting will be drowning in pussy compared to a gorgeous man who's an inert meat slab.
very very debatable, considering you can go on tinder as and larp as a registered sex offender in your bio and in the messages and you will still have women flinging themselves at you. Women don't care if you can play Wonderwall lil bro.
>Why are you thinking about other men when you're trying to fuck women? Very faggy behavior.
I'm not? That just happens to be the kind of guy women lose brain function over. No woman will go out of her way to make a tiktok edit of some average joe.

Lotta gaslighting and red pill cope in the thread directed at op
Shame desu

>>33496469 (OP)
If they don't look like picrel just laugh silently to yourself knowing there's no chance that guy would look twice at them

>>33498903
People always say this and when pressed for examples its usually some richfag or celebrity kek

>>33496469 (OP)
>people would like to have attractive partners
And men imagine to land the female version of that and are diappointed when some chubby thick nosed gnomy girl comes around with pimples.

>>33504393
Plus the fact OP does the EXACT same thing with picrel.

>>33505221
>chubby thick nosed gnomy girl comes around with pimples.
cute

>>33502769
>No woman will go out of her way to make a tiktok edit of some average joe.
And? Do you consider this some great injustice or something?

go get plastic surgery
90% of their attractivness is just big ass chin and jaw which is a very simple procedure
and buy a wig for the other 10%

>>33505229
>>33505290
I don't deny liking pretty women though. Women do that all the time. That's my only issue really if you actually took the time to read what I said.
CAPTCHA: GAYS2

>>33505221
More or less. Men are pretty straightforward about it though. When you tell women, especially online, that they like hot men they start throwing copes at you all day long.
Also the threshold for a woman to be attractive is significantly lower than for men (see picrel), so who knows, maybe there is a guy out there that will want to be with a thick nose gnomy girl (being chubby and having pimples can be fixed).

>>33496747
>blackpill is some massive strewthnvke when it's literally just "yeah so looks matter a lot in life"
That's not black pill. Black pill = genetic determinism. No matter what he does, he will never grow up 2 inches, or become Chad.

>>33506013
>Women do that all the time.
They really don't though, and even if they did I don't understand why:
1. you would be holding such a grudge about it
2. couldn't see through it to begin with
>I don't deny liking pretty women
Ok great, so why do you hold others (women in this case) to a higher standard than you hold yourself? Why is it ok for you to be shallow and not them?

>>33506078
Yeah ig it but so what? Why whinge endlessly about something you can't change?

>>33496469 (OP)
>they always picture vidrel when they say it?
they don't. the vast majority of women on the planet have never seen that video even once

>>33506633
>Yeah ig it but so what? Why whinge endlessly about something you can't change?
That's not the point of the black pill. The point of the black pill is to be aware of this, and do something off of this information. You could cope by jerking off and seeing escorts for the rest of your life if you are a sub 5 and know that no woman will ever love you for who you are, or you can try looksmax or even surgemax and find someone. Anyway, at the very least, you won't fall into pitfalls like, "go to the gym", "get rich", and many of these scams just to get a girlfriend. Not that these things are bad, but most man keep torturing themselves into doing something they don't like expecting results that will never come. All because people aren't honest, all because people lie to their faces. Black pill saves lives. The dating scene is not about natural selection anymore, but sexual selection.

>>33496469 (OP)
>How do I cope with the fact that whenever women express dating preferences
Cillian Murphy and Henry Cavil are literally the top 1% of men, most woman won't even be able to approach them, and only daydream about having them. Even if they were able to approach them, these guys would not give a chance to them, unless it's casual sex. So although women will never be as excited for you as they are for Chads like Henry Cavil and Brad Pitt, you still have a chance to enter a relationship.

Also, remember, even Brad Pitt had a terrible relationship with a women that was on the same level as him, and she went afterwards for an uglier person (The Weeknd), so not always your handsome face will be able to keep her by your side if you act like a beta cuck.

>>33506417
Caring about looks isn't shallow, but even if it was, they can be shallow, idc. It would honestly be weirder if they weren't. Even from just a basic biology standpoint it'd be weird for your body to completely disregard a complex and highly sophisticated pattern recognition system that processes large chunks of data withing a fraction of a second, including people's faces. And I'd say maybe 90% of what makes someone attractive are health/development/genetics indicators. Seriously, you'd be an outlier as a women if you didn't care about looks that much.
>They really don't
They do. Or at least as their "marry a man for his resources" conditioning is coming undone they are slowly starting no to, but the vast majority will still insist that they are not attracted to looks (as much as men), when that's clearly not true.

That's my only problem really. I don't care about any of the incel shit, but it's frustrating when women won't ever admit to choosing their partners based on primal low level functions instead of tacking on whatever flavor of virtue signaling that makes them look morally superior. Just stfu, date Chad, no one care, but at the very least have the decency to not be coy about it and hand out false hope where there is none.
That's like if guys were to keep handing out empty platitudes to girls they're not attracted to and having them keep throwing themselves at a wall.

>>33506641
Stop being obtuse anon. You know what I meant.

>>33506682
>That's like if guys were to keep handing out empty platitudes to girls they're not attracted to and having them keep throwing themselves at a wall.
We do though. If I tell a lonely ugly girl to hang in there and she can still meet someone someday, it doesn't become a lie because I'm not volunteering to be that guy. I'm under no obligation to, just like women are under no obligation to date you. It doesn't make their advice false or even not well-meaning.
The larger question here is, why are you asking women (repeatedly, apparently) for advice on dating women? Why are you not figuring any of this out for yourself or at least asking other guys what worked for them?

>>33506729
"Awww, I'm sure some girl out there will be really lucky to have you, not me though teehee" is not advice, especially not when every single woman says that.
>Why are you not figuring any of this out for yourself
I am. And I've come to the conclusion that being hot is what you have to do. Women aren't being brought up anymore with the idea that they have to suppress their desires and overlook a guy's physical appearance in favor of personality. And because that's a more recent shift I'm not going to ask men in already long established relationships, whose gfs were still very much subject to that.

>>33506676
>you won't fall into pitfalls like, "go to the gym", "get rich"
These things are worth doing even though it won't guarantee you pussy believe it or not
>The dating scene is not about natural selection anymore, but sexual selection.
Most nothing statement ever. They're the exact same thing as each other

>>33504435
I can't give any examples because it's randoms in real life. Average looking guys in college and in office workplaces have their adventures. If OP went outside and interacted with real humans beings instead of being obsessed with internet postings he'd observe that.

>>33496469 (OP)
>I'm tired, but I don't know how to proceed from here.
Stop listening to what women *say* and focus on what they *do*. And what do women do? Date all types of men. They have all types of preferences. Nevermind the fact that you're listening to a vocal minority of vapid loudmouths on social media. Most women...keep to themselves. They don't put themselves out on social media very much, so you never hear from them.

Focus on building yourself up. Your self confidence, your life goals, your vision for your future. Do the things that bring you joy, and you'll eventually run into a woman compatible with those things. Just like the millions of men who don't match your picrelated but have loyal and willing women.

>>33506033
Pic related is true, but only with men they don't know. As you get to know the woman they become more reasonable / pragmatic and the attractiveness distribution looks more similar to men.

>>33496469 (OP)
Can you control that that guy exists and is more handsome than you? No, so shut the fuck up about it pussy. What can you control? Your diet and exercise and the way you dress. Seriously. Do something about yourself and shut the fuck up. Fucking whining bitch.

>>33507881
The same applies to men too though, so it cancels each other out.
>>33507861
>focus on what they *do*
Predominantly date and give attention to attractive guys? Swooning over them online? Watch movies and tv shows specifically because a hot guy is in them? Read literotica which exclusively features hot guys?
I've also never seen women irl who, when presented with the opportunity, didn't pick the hotter guy over whatever else was available.
Again, not that that's a bad thing, date who you want to date, but it feels disingenuous (and unhealthy) to put women on a pedestal and say they don't, or wouldn't like to, pick men based on what their cave-woman brain tells them to do.
>Just like the millions of men who don't match your picrelated but have loyal and willing women.
That's exactly what I was mentioning earlier. Up until relatively recently women were conditioned, pretty much since birth, to set aside their desire to be with attractive men in favor of a guy that provides for them. And all the women that are with men who aren't conventionally attractive are subject to that conditioning, so I can't really compare myself to those guys, because they still operate under outdated rules. Now they can have their cake and eat it too, so they can pick pretty much whoever they want, which again, is not a bad thing, but is unfortunate if you aren't attractive.

>>33507951
>Your diet and exercise and the way you dress
Implying I don't do those things already?

>>33508007
Okay good. So make peace with that guy existing. Like, right now. This second. There's literally nothing you can do about it, so move on now. Seriously, override your emotion with logic for once you pussy. Id tell you to ask your dad for advice but hes clearly not in the picture.

>>33508032
>so move on now
Move on from women?
>override your emotion with logic
emotionally speaking I want a woman in my life, but logically I know it's not really worth the investment if I'm not attractive. How does that help me?

>>33507998
>but is unfortunate if you aren't attractive.
For all your blustering about "higher ideals", this is all your argument really boils down to in the end isn't it? Well too bad fag, git gud. The rest is all cope.

>>33508059
>Move on from women?
That's not remotely what he said now is it? He said move on from your fixation that some guys are better looking than you.
The way you equate that to "women" says a lot about your mental state.

>>33508059
Youre annoying as fuck. Crybaby pussy

I can tell this thread caused a bit of consternation among all the pseudo redpill guys on here kek
good bait op
>muh gym
el oh el
to actually answer your question op, 3rd world countries and hookers are the only way out

>>33508187
>3rd world countries and hookers are the only way out
Because the only two kinds of guys that exist are OP gigachads and the egghead dysgenic weirdo you posted. Lmao. Retard

>>33508187
>duuude just give up brooo trust me you won't feel better when youre stronger and more visually appealing trust me I know I've never worked out a day in my life and have always felt like shit im an expert

>>33508194
>>33508199
It seems my statement has caused some irritation kek

>>33508199
ive been going to the gym for 5 years and barely feel okay desu

>>33508207
Nice selfie anon.

>>33508207
There is literally zero downside to a man going to the gym, regardless of whether he is ugly or not.

>>33508213
I bet you havent made any discernible progress in those 5 years

>>33508150
very helpful
>>33508110
Women like attractive men, therefore if you're not attractive they don't like you. I wouldn't even care about those guys if women didn't pretend to not like them.
>>33508094
> this is all your argument really boils down to in the end isn't it?
yes. That's all this was ever about, the only people that seem to be upset by all this are the ones that misunderstood what I was saying.

>>33508223
kek
>>33508226
time and money better spent coping and finding an ugly wife desu

>>33508226
>>33508199
wouldn't that be the same as telling a guy to not kick every dog he sees?
Having muscles doesn't make you more attractive to women.

>>33508249
Because youre in an advice board and youre not seeking solutions. Youre just whining like a pathetic faggot. You aren't a 10/10. We get it. No one cares. STFU

>>33508253
>>33508257
There is literally zero downside to being in good physical condition as a man. It's really not a topic that is debatable, and takes 45 minutes, 3 times a week.

>>33507998
>Predominantly date and give attention to attractive guys?
You're talking about the women you see on social media. Expand further than that, anon. The regular bitch who *isn't* blathering about on social media. What do *they* do? End up happy with regular guys.
>Swooning over them online?
Yeah, because men don't like swimsuit models.
>Watch movies and tv shows specifically because a hot guy is in them?
Men don't do this shit either, anon. Fuck! /s
>Read literotica which exclusively features hot guys?
Porn. What even are these comparisons? No offense, but they suck, lol.
>I've also never seen women irl who, when presented with the opportunity, didn't pick the hotter guy over whatever else was available.
Women date ugly, short, fat, poor, awkward men and are happy all the time. It's not my fault you choose to focus on the problem women while ignoring the vast, silent, majority. I can't make you change your mind, anon. Keep choosing to focus and waste time on the bullshit if you want.
>Again, not that that's a bad thing, date who you want to date, but it feels disingenuous (and unhealthy) to put women on a pedestal and say they don't, or wouldn't like to, pick men based on what their cave-woman brain tells them to do.
1. You shouldn't be putting *any* woman on a pedestal for *any* fucking reason in the first place.
2. You can improve yourself. Why did she choose this fat man? This particular woman had that preference. There was something about him she genuinely liked. Maybe he was funny. Or it was his style. Or she just prefers huskier men because her dad was. You need to stop viewing woman as this hive mind conglomerate that has an objective standard for attraction. Until you fix that, this is utterly pointless. Your mind is an echo chamber of what you're actively choosing to focus on. You'll never get any woman thinking the way you do.

>>33508261
>STFU
>in 20 goddamn 25
All the confirmation needed that we are speaking to boomers who likely also browse reddit

>>33508249
>Women like attractive men, therefore if you're not attractive they don't like you
Thank god we men would never do this!
>I wouldn't even care about those guys if women didn't pretend to not like them.
First off you're lying through your teeth, and secondly women have never pretended they aren't attracted to attractive guys. It's all right there in the wording even.
>That's all this was ever about
Yeah no shit, so you could have made this a much shorter thread by saying "boo hoo I'm ugly" instead of trying to intellectualize it or attempting to make some profound societal observations.
> the only people that seem to be upset by all this
The only one upset by you being ugly is you. You have several options on dealing with this:
>improve your looks and be less ugly
>settle for an ugly woman...your proper match, mind you
>get over it and move on
And don't dare come crying to me about how even if you get a woman she's settling and will always prefer a better looking guy. Yeah, probably true, just how you'd always prefer a better looking woman too, so what's your point? Most people settle, and yes (You) will be one of them, if you're lucky. Cry me a fucking river.

>>33508257
>Having muscles doesn't make you more attractive to women.
Are you dumb? That's like saying men don't like tits and ass. If you're not trolling, you're beyond help.
>Hurr durr, women literally only care about height and money
>Meanwhile tall dudes on this board are wondering why they get zero bitches despite being 6'5".
I cannot understand why you guys think women are so one dimensional despite having metric fucktons of evidence to the contrary.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make the fucktard drink, I guess.

>>33508276
Oh my bad. Here let me fix that. Ey cuh fr tho on god 100 u gatta keep hustling from no cap 100

>>33508261
What are the solutions then? So far people have only told me to fuck off for pointing out women like good looking men and asking how to make up for not being good looking.
>>33508266
Aren't women the ones that keep saying they don't care about muscles and would prefer their bf not to look like a body builder?
If you're not supposed to lift for women, then why even suggest it as advice on here specifically? That's like saying to not be homeless, or to not gamble away all your savings. Just because it's good advice doesn't make it relevant.

>>33508298
no need to get mad grandpa

>>33508302
I ain't salty tho bruh jus tryna vibe wichu so u kno I'm chill

>>33508310
kek

>>33508285
>>33508269
I've said multiple times now that yes, men do all of those things, but the key difference that I also keep reiterating is that men never shy away from admitting that. Yet women don't. That's it. Meaning any and all advice from them, which also extends to the advice given by men on here is pretty much useless.
>improve your looks and be less ugly
I've been working out for 7 years now, my aunt, who works for a fashion designer, helps me to buy clothes, I'm very hygenic and have a decent haircut.
What else is there?
>settle for an ugly woman...your proper match, mind you
Why would I do that to a woman, that seems cruel. I wouldn't want a woman to settle for me either
>get over it and move on
that's more or less what I've been asking. Is it worth expanding time and energy on dating or not.

>>33508299
>Aren't women the ones that keep saying they don't care about muscles
Again, you're way too hung up on what women say, and you don't even understand what they actually mean.

I swear to god you fucks need to start attaching your age to whatever cope "dating advice" you give that worked in 1918 or whatever because women were basically slaves back then.
Same with general life advice. If I see another fucking boomer pipe up about how getting a job that will sustain both yourself and your family is all about waltzing into a company building and asking for it. And let's not forget the firm handshake, because that's what made it.
Fucking retards.

>>33508269
>/s
Hello L*ddit!
> Why did she choose this fat man? This particular woman had that preference
Or, you know, had no other options.
Unironically tho are you a woman? You seem very naive.

>>33508339
The amount of boomers on 4chan and especially on here is fucking grim desu
I bet that Zach faggot is 50+

>>33508339
>If I see another fucking boomer pipe up about how getting a job that will sustain both yourself and your family is all about waltzing into a company building and asking for it. And let's not forget the firm handshake, because that's what made it.
Where has that been posted in this thread? Are you feeling okay?

>>33508329
>Yet women don't. That's it.
Even if we accept that is true (which I don't)...so fucking what? What does it matter?
>I've been working out for 7 years now
And do you actually look like you work out? If you don't, it doesn't matter how long you've done it for.
> I'm very hygenic and have a decent haircut.
Fucking kek, hear that ladies? He's HYGENIC. Form a line, no shoving please.
Anon, that's the bare minimum of being a functioning adult. Good for you I guess?
>What else is there?
Well let's see...being a cool person with some game/charm/charisma/personality (whatever you want to label it)?
Having some drive or ambition, and living a cool life that women would actually want to be a part of?
Not being some weird faggot with non-existent self-esteem obsessing over other men's looks while thinking all women are a hivemind?
There's lot of other things you could be doing besides half-ass lifting some weights and taking showers OP.

>>33508351
>haha just be confident and make sure you flex your big muscles in front of a fine dame you wish to court
is basically the dating equivalent of boomer job advice you melanin enriched fag

muh hygiene is not even a bare minimum desu
see for example the skid mark complaints from many women a while back

>>33508339
>I swear to god you fucks need to start attaching your age to whatever cope "dating advice" you give that worked in 1918 or whatever because women were basically slaves back then.
Funny you say that because when you distill a lot of incel threads to their core, they're basically complaining about that not still being the case. IE
>it's NOT FAIR that women can choose who they want to date because I'm not good looking enough to compete
>I should be able to bag Stacy even though I'm an ugly awkward fuck by offering her father some chickens or something
>le West has fallen!

>>33508329
>men never shy away from admitting that. Yet women don't. That's it.
Who. The fuck. Cares? What difference does that make? Wow, women are cryptic. That's how they fucking are lol. They're emotional. They don't make decisions based on logic. Either like them for what they are and deal with it or fuck off. You're wasting time on shit that can't be changed.
> Meaning any and all advice from them,
You shouldn't be taking advice from women. They're social creatures and will always give the socially acceptable answer. Only when you have a genuine female friend, one on one, is it possible to get straight answers on this.
>which also extends to the advice given by men on here is pretty much useless.
Fatal error. men get women. Men that do so can give advice. If you truly thought it was pointless to ask anyone, fuck off and delete the thread.
>I've been working out for 7 years now, my aunt, who works for a fashion designer, helps me to buy clothes, I'm very hygenic and have a decent haircut. What else is there?
Fucking personality. Being interesting. Capturing her imagination. Ya know, the things that Ugly, Fat, and otherwise "conventionally" unfavorable men do to get women. These are the foundational things that get them. Body fitness and style is just a lure that gives you 10 more seconds of attention in the very beginning.
>Is it worth expanding time and energy on dating or not.
Not if you're gonna continue this self-defeatist "ALL WOMEN WANT X AND I AM NOT X EVEN THOUGH I SEE THEM NOT DATING X ALL THE TIME" bullshit. If you can work on fixing your mindset, you'll do great. Otherwise, grab your dick and resume stroking it to some random bitch on reddit who likes winking her asshole at the camera.
>>33508348
>Or, you know, had no other options.
Since you know better, You can go do what I wrote in my last sentence as well. It would suit you more than a thread like this.

>>33508356
>>haha just be confident and make sure you flex your big muscles in front of a fine dame you wish to court
Where has this been posted in this thread? Are you feeling okay?

>>33508360
They make zero effort to be well rounded and build their attractiveness while ignoring the millions of regular men who have regular women.
>>33508366
Either he's a troll or his mind is so warped he can't even comprehend that he could actually get a girl with some genuine effort.

>>33508361
>doesnt even deny the reddit part
kek

>>33508353
Yes I look like I work out, even through clothes.
I'm 185 cm and weigh around 86kg.
>Well let's see
You said improve your looks, and I answered what I did to improve my looks. I don't understand why you go straight to name calling after that.

>>33508371
You actually care what other people think? Explains a lot. Peace, anon.

>>33508361
>Fucking personality. Being interesting. Capturing her imagination
NTA
Okay.
How do I do this?

>>33508374
>I don't understand why you go straight to name calling after that.
Because you don't understand that looks are only part of the equation.
I guarantee you that you've seen average or ugly guys (possibly uglier than you) with girlfriends. You just don't get it.

>>33508380
>How do I build personality, be interesting, etc.
Go back to home base. Start with getting back into things you liked back in childhood or high school. Whether it was drawing, photography, whatever. Then get into more shit you've wanted to do. This will help build inner happiness and confidence. Next you need to really introspect and think about who you truly are. What are your life goals? What are your dreams? What steps do you need to take to get there? Also think about what the ultimate and best version of you looks like. What does he smell like. How does he walk? Where does he go? And most importantly: how does he feel? The crazy thing about the mind is you can feel things that haven't happened yet. So guess what you're going to do? Take 10 minutes every day to tap into that feeling. Not only will it make you feel good, but its self generated. No one can ever take it away from you. No matter what happens, you always have you. But it also inspires you to keep exploring your desires and the things you like to do. It will help make the connections between those things and your life goals and help you formulate a path to getting there. Maybe you need to start your own business? Maybe you need to work somewhere you never thought of working. But the most important thing is focusing on developing yourself and building your inner strength so you can take control of your life and figure out what your next steps are with the strong drive to make shit happen. Doing these things gives yourself purpose, drive, and builds your confidence from within. You've actually created a personality and life not dependent on women. You now have things about yourself which set you apart that you can talk about. In doing these things and getting out in the world, you'll naturally run into women interested in the same things. Never try "convincing" a woman to like you. It's about running into someone who's happy to be along for the ride while you're self sufficient.

>>33508361
maybe the other anon was right, how old are you? Because I haven't seen a single
>Ugly, Fat, and otherwise "conventionally" unfavorable men
be with women and yes, before you say it, I am almost constantly socializing with other people at my uni.
>>33508370
>with some genuine effort
doesn't chemistry come before effort? If I have to convince a woman to be attracted to me, then I don't think that sets up a good foundation for a relationship.

>>33508393
>guarantee you that you've seen average or ugly guys (possibly uglier than you) with girlfriends. You just don't get it.
He will come up with another form of cope for this too
>yeah but those guys have X so there's no point
He's just a very sad boy that wants to whine

>>33508393
But they are still part of the equation, are they not?

>>33508398
Should I try forcing myself into more social hobbies/more women focused hobbies, or is that doomed to failure? I sometimes see advice to go to things like dancing or yoga, but others tell me my lack of genuine interest will inevitably shine through.
I get that I cant start talking about fucking history or warhammer or dnd shit to a woman. Im into some more phyiscal stuff (wall climbing, scuba diving) but the number of women there is not large. Should I stick with them anyway?

>>33508399
>maybe the other anon was right, how old are you? Because I haven't seen a single
>Ugly, Fat, and otherwise "conventionally" unfavorable men
>be with women and yes, before you say it, I am almost constantly socializing with other people at my uni.
I dont think he's intentionally lying here desu
its a fairly well established phenomenon that both men and women are more favourable to women
The "ugly" men he's talking about are maybe at worst a 4 of 5
The "fat" men he's talking about are maybe just a bit chubby
Or maybe he's right, idk

>>33508399
>I haven't seen a single fat ugly and otherwise "conventionally" unfavorable man be with women
You don't see tradwife virgins but you know they exist. It's not my fault you don't see it. Either take the truth or create your own false reality. I'm done with this point.
>doesn't chemistry come before effort?
Can you experience chemistry if you don't know how to speak to women? How would you get to that point if you're stumbling over your words for example? How do you even get the opportunity to speak if there wasn't something about you that drew her attention? Maybe it was your style? Maybe you had a huge smile and said hi to her without expecting anything. Maybe you just walked by and she liked your cologne? You don't get something for nothing, anon. Life doesn't work that way. You're too self aware to get away with skipping the bare minimum.
>If I have to convince a woman to be attracted to me, then I don't think that sets up a good foundation for a relationship.
Correct. But you have to strive to do your best as well. You should be doing that anyway, regardless of women.
>>33508408
>Should I try forcing myself into more social hobbies/more women focused hobbies, or is that doomed to failure?
You've gotta be genuinely interested for sure. But that doesn't mean you can't try things to verify that you aren't interested in them.
>I get that I cant start talking about fucking history or warhammer or dnd shit to a woman.
Says who? Think for a moment. Where would the type of woman who's into those things go? What would she do? Have you tried going to those places?
>Im into some more phyiscal stuff (wall climbing, scuba diving) but the number of women there is not large. Should I stick with them anyway?
Never stop a hobby just because there aren't a lot of women there. Maybe expand some of the physical things you do. Stopping this would be cutting off aspects of your personality. Cutting off things that differentiate you to women.

>>33508412
Would make sense, but I don't even see those guys dating anyone, or at least not publicly, maybe they have a discord kitten or something. But usually the only couples on campus are with conventionally attractive guys.

>>33508412
>>33508399
I recently saw this on facebook. This dude is gigantic; literally 3 of her, hence the name. How did he get this chick? He's not fit. He's got glasses. He's fat as absolute fuck.
>The "ugly" men he's talking about are maybe at worst a 4 of 5
Brother. An ugly guy at 2 can get an ugly ass bitch at 2 as well. Literally any man can get a woman if he's got drive, confidence, and puts in effort.

>>33508402
Yeah and? No one ever said they weren't retard.

>>33508417
Thank you. Any advice on if I should hide my relationship history? I've dated here and there, but nothing longterm. On the hand I imagine it will show sooner or later, on the other I know its a red flag.

>>33508431
>Any advice on if I should hide my relationship history?
Don't hide anything, but don't actively bring it up either.
>On the hand I imagine it will show sooner or later, on the other I know its a red flag.
Red flags aren't objective. It's based on how you carry yourself and answer the question. Women mirror our position a lot. If we're worried about something, they'll be 10x more worried. If we're calm, they might be worried a bit, but they'll look at you and calm down a bit. Likewise, if you act like not dating anyone is weird they'll pick up on that and act accordingly. But if you carry yourself properly and frame it like "I didn't find the right person for a while" or some shit like that, which is objectively true, it's not a red flag, is it? A lot of times, we're projecting our own thoughts onto the situation and unintentionally guiding the conclusion. Don't do that.

>>33508417
I've noticed you make a lot of assumptions about me.
You assume I'm some socially stunted shut in that never talks to people or goes out or takes care of himself or anything. I do, and no dice.
>Correct. But you have to strive to do your best as well. You should be doing that anyway,
Again with the assumptions. I have a life, I'm working on my degree and I enjoy doing the things I do. I've also read what you told the other anon when asked what makes you interesting to women and you gave him the same cookie cutter life advice that applies regardless of whether women are involved. I agree, self actualization should be a default state, but then why peddle it when asking for dating advice? Getting hobbies you enjoy partaking in and are passionate about won't make you fuckable. All of mine I love, but all of them are fairly niche and require years of training/learning. But even if they weren't and you were to pick something simple and more broadly appealing like playing the guitar, no woman is going to care that you can play wonderwall, nor should they, because you didn't do it for them.
Again, just because some advice is solid, doesn't make it relevant.

>>33508443
Hmm, good point. Thank you. Im still a dooming a bit to be honest, but Im gonna try your approach.
Peace anon.

>>33508427
So, don't you need both for a relationship? Anons here keep saying that you can get by with just one.

>>33508426
Anon, that picture is from a 2005 high school graduation. That guy is now more than 20 years older than me, the dating scene has changed quite a lot since then. Exponentially.

>>33508451
>So, don't you need both for a relationship?
That's not what I said anon. Learn to read please.
Looks are certainly an inescapable part of ATTRACTION. Now, do you think attraction and a relationship are exactly the same thing? Do you think a solid relationship is based on attraction and nothing else?
Hint: there are ugly people in happy relationships. There are good looking people in bad relationships or alone.
Good looks will make attracting people easier, and they'll increase your odds of landing a partner with similar looks. But that's it.

>>33508447
>Again with the assumptions. I have a life, I'm working on my degree and I enjoy doing the things I do. I
Well you're clearly missing something, aren't you?
>I agree, self actualization should be a default state, but then why peddle it when asking for dating advice?
Because a man who isn't self actualized has no business even attempting to deal with women. A man who isn't self actualized will make the woman the center of his world and put her on a pedestal, which is doomed for failure. It's easier to attract women as a self actualized man. And lastly, because the vast majority of men *don't* do this shit. So what do I look like knowing this, but giving advice that skips that? If your shit isn't together as a man, you shouldn't even be thinking of women yet. If you can't put yourself first, you shouldn't be thinking of women. If you can't say no to her, you shouldn't be thinking of women. Those traits are very attractive to women.
>Getting hobbies you enjoy partaking in and are passionate about won't make you fuckable.
It puts you in a position of indifference about what a woman does, which is attractive. Most men care too much too fast. It also puts you in the position to encounter women interested in the same things.
>But even if they weren't and you were to pick something simple and more broadly appealing like playing the guitar, no woman is going to care that you can play wonderwall, nor should they, because you didn't do it for them.
You've never seen women swoon over a guy who could play the guitar before? This is actually a pretty shitty example lol.
>Again, just because some advice is solid, doesn't make it relevant.
Being unable to understand how advice applies doesn't make it irrelevant.
>>33508460
Okay, go beat off then since it's so hopeless. God agrees with your reality. Peace.

>>33508460
>the dating scene has changed quite a lot since then. Exponentially.
Human nature hasn't. Ever, really.

>>33508468
>Human nature hasn't. Ever, really.
And that's the fucking key. Social trends don't overpower human biology or male/female dynamics. They are an illusion and a false reality. But some a lot of the guys in threads like this would rather drink the Kool Aid and stay in the echo chamber. Sucks for them.

>>33508475
Which guys and what Kool Aid? Because we are not on the same side here anon.
Average, below average and just plain weird guys have always been able to date and always will be able to date. A guy who could do it in 2005 can still do it today.
What you guys are really complaining about isn't that you can't get a woman, it's that you can't get a HOT woman (who is also magically a virgin tradwife) and moreover that you can't do it online, the laziest and lowest risk avenue available, because it's strictly looks based by its very nature and you'll be screened out.
Because as we all know, virgin tradwives are so likely to congregate on hookup apps...

>>33508463
Do you think people have happy relationships if one, or even both, parties aren't attracted to one another?
>>33508464
>Well you're clearly missing something, aren't you?
yes, a woman
>You've never seen women swoon over a guy who could play the guitar before? This is actually a pretty shitty example lol.
yes, good looking pop stars they have posters of hanging on their wall. Another example is Franz Liszt, a guy who literally had panties thrown at him during concerts and women at the ready to collect his coffe drippings because of one defining quality that set him apart from his equally, though mostly even more skilled, contemporaries, can you guess what that quality was?
>Being unable to understand how advice applies doesn't make it irrelevant.
You could technically make every advice relevant because you always assume the person you're giving advice to is a low life retard who doesn't have his shit together and assume that the people that do are automatically guaranteed to get a girlfriend.
>>33508468
>>33508464
I agree, human nature hasn't changed. But women for pretty much throughout our entire history have been conditioned to suppress their desire to be with a man they find physically attractive and marry for resources/status/as part of a deal or whatever and because that has been a standard for so long it became an unspoken rule that was taken for granted, which led to women internalizing it and men taking it as absolute truth. And that conditioning has since trickled down to the current generation, except now, they're slowly starting to remove it, which is being accelerated by the internet.
And given the exponential nature of technological advancements and it's effect on our collective psyche it's not a leap of logic to assume that dating standards 20+ years ago were vastly different then they are today.

>>33508494
>Do you think people have happy relationships if one, or even both, parties aren't attracted to one another?
No, but people are attracted to each other in ways or for reasons that you don't realize.
You've never had a relationship OR just had a woman attracted to you (by your own admission), so you wouldn't know anything about this. There is a lot nuance here you're missing.
> it's not a leap of logic to assume that dating standards 20+ years ago were vastly different then they are today.
Then why do I look around and still see ugly people dating?

>>33508517
>There is a lot nuance here you're missing.
like what?
>Then why do I look around and still see ugly people dating?
Idk, depends on your age and where you live.

Don't most good looking guys have an easier time becoming well adjusted and likable?
That means that most good looking guys will ALSO have a good personality and be cool to hang out with, so as a woman, why would you choose to be with an uggo, when you can just be with the hottie? Even if you have to share him with other women, it's still miles better than some mid guy laying his hands on you.

>>33508527
>like what?
Ah, so you don't know everything. AND you want me to explain and spoonfeed everything to you.
>Idk, depends on your age and where you live.
No, it doesn't. There are ugly young people dating also. Yes, even at you're uni. You don't notice them because you've wired your brain to not notice ugly people in general, but they're there.

>>33508486
>Which guys and what Kool Aid?
Men who think
>You only need / must have X to get a woman and if you don't you're fucked
>What you guys are really complaining about isn't that you can't get a woman, it's that you can't get a HOT woman
I think OP is complaining about being completely bitchless. And if he's not, it's his fault for not striving to be more attractive in the first place. I don't see how that's contrary to anything you said, but I don't care enough to sift through the replies and figure it out.
>yes, a woman
No, the components required to get one, smart ass.
>yes, good looking pop stars they have posters of hanging on their wall.
A regular dude with personality can get a similar effect.
I'm not going to argue semantics with a stubborn mule so I'm skipping your next point.
>But women for pretty much throughout our entire history have been conditioned to suppress their desire to be with a man they find physically attractive and marry for resources/status/as part of a deal
Okay, and? Do better?
>because that has been a standard for so long it became an unspoken rule that was taken for granted, which led to women internalizing it and men taking it as absolute truth.
Bla bla bla. Fine, getting a woman is impossible for you. You've convinced me and God agrees, lol. Just give up then. A woman wouldn't want to deal with someone having your pedantic attitude anyway. Peace.

>>33508494
>>33509003
forgot link

This obsession with looks is a juvenile thing really. I fell into that in my early 20s, but once you reach your late 20s you should start to realize that it's power that truly differentiates men. Looks ARE power, to a certain extent, but not as much in men as in women. For example, I was in an elite networking style club with business partners a few days back. The people serving us were extraordinarily good-looking, young men and women. And sure while they get paid more serving in such a place than waiting tables at a rund down pub, it's still a submissive role. It's the old boomers sitting there, with harems of young mistresses, that really rule things. Obessing over looks is a teenage trauma thing, trying to vicariously relive the past through power fantasies
That time is over, as a man you need to become powerful