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Anonymous No.33508434 [Report] >>33508444 >>33508466 >>33508478 >>33508484 >>33508495 >>33508497 >>33508544 >>33508558 >>33508790 >>33508900 >>33509795 >>33512335 >>33512367 >>33512657 >>33512868 >>33513700 >>33515838 >>33516958 >>33517099 >>33517116 >>33518663 >>33518711 >>33520579
I need to find God, but I cannot, for the life of me, believe in Jesus' divinity. What do I do?
Anonymous No.33508444 [Report] >>33508446
>>33508434 (OP)
Be Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, etc etc etc
Anonymous No.33508446 [Report] >>33508765 >>33515852
>>33508444
All other religions have even worse problems in my opionion desu
Anonymous No.33508466 [Report]
>>33508434 (OP)
For me I just kept praying while trying to clean up my act in a few ways.
Anonymous No.33508478 [Report] >>33508558
>>33508434 (OP)
Anonymous No.33508484 [Report]
>>33508434 (OP)
Redefine divinity until it works. Use the moral lessons taught in the Bible to live a better life. I don’t believe in the resurrection but I think Jesus was probably the most moral person ever or at least who I’ve ever heard of. You don’t have to believe everything perfectly consistent with doctrine for it to benefit you and you to benefit others. Just keep an open heart and try to do right by yourself and others.
Anonymous No.33508495 [Report] >>33513501
>>33508434 (OP)
Turin shroud
Anonymous No.33508497 [Report] >>33508506
>>33508434 (OP)
According to the Bhagavad Gita there's three paths to liberation:
The Path of Action
The Path of Devotion
The Path of Knowledge

Christianity is heavy on devotion. According to your temperament you might find that other religions suit you more.
Anonymous No.33508506 [Report] >>33508533 >>33508772
>>33508497
>According to the Bhagavad Gita
And why should I believe in this book? Hinduism is certainly far more alien to me than Christianity, and its mythology seems far more ridiculous. If you're suggesting I follow its philosophies as a path to enlightenment, I'm not sure how this is better than secular philosophy.
Anonymous No.33508533 [Report] >>33508545
>>33508506
It is just a way to classify different aspects of human religiosity. I'm sure you can find secular scholars of religion who use a similar framework. You don't have to believe in Vishnu or whatever.
Anonymous No.33508544 [Report]
>>33508434 (OP)
What part of you are you trying to believe with? Your mind or your heart? Because God gave you your mind, that's yours. He doesn't want you to entirely give that back to Him. He wants your heart, OP. Because every man has a snake in his heart in need of vanquishing. Let God in, and with your mind, choose to believe. Belief is a choice. God have you free will too. God is love itself, and God loves you. He chooses so. We're in His image after all, we got free will from Him. So it follows we are to do as He does, use our free will to choose to Love Him in return. So just make the choice. It's not hard really. Look at your hand right now and bring it to your attention can you choose to open it? Do that, then choose to close it. Notice how you make a choice easily? So choose to believe in God. Do not worry about understanding or feeling yet, those are fruits of faith that come later, that grow like grapes in a vineyard. That takes time. But first you choose to plant the fruit. So choose to believe.
As for Christ, He is God in the form of man. God became man so that man could become like God. I am sure you know how imperfect and corrupt and wicked and broken we are as humans. We fell, and we are locked in a spiritual war with the eternal enemy, the snake in our heart. Christ is the example God has sent to show us how to survive. The blueprint on who to emulate in this life so that we can safeguard our eternal life.

Peace to you and God bless.
Anonymous No.33508545 [Report] >>33512435
>>33508533
Well almost all religions have mythological truth claims, and I highly doubt I'm ever going to buy into that.
Anonymous No.33508558 [Report] >>33508560
>>33508478
Modernity is created by juice. Jung was Freud’s protege.
>>33508434 (OP)
God basically hates you. Jesus is the figure of Enki or Prometheus, Mithras, etc. The kingdom of heaven is within you.
Anonymous No.33508560 [Report] >>33508565 >>33517549
>>33508558
t.
Anonymous No.33508565 [Report] >>33508569
>>33508560
What a limited projection. If god is all, then god is madness. We are just his way of dealing with it.
Anonymous No.33508569 [Report] >>33513937
>>33508565
>human value judgement
God doesn't care
Anonymous No.33508765 [Report] >>33508777
>>33508446
Not Buddhism, it's very close to the truth. Great philosophy also, as opposed to apologetics.
Also esotericism is very close to the truth.
Anonymous No.33508772 [Report]
>>33508506
The only way to find out if a religion is for you is by actually studying. I have a book on my reading list called Foundations of Dharma which gives the basics of Hinduism, it's very short. The Bhagavat Gita also is supposed to be very short. So give it a try.
Anonymous No.33508777 [Report] >>33508785
>>33508765
Buddhism is a death cult.
Anonymous No.33508785 [Report] >>33508804
>>33508777
Not really no
Anonymous No.33508790 [Report]
>>33508434 (OP)
Find a church, read the Bible, pray. Avoid new age bullshit and false religions. Start doing something productive, maybe learning something new or practicing a sport, you won't have lots of divine experiences if all you do is sit on the computer.
Anonymous No.33508804 [Report] >>33508868 >>33513577
>>33508785
It absolutely is, for anyone that isn’t from SEA. Fucking western larpers.
Anonymous No.33508868 [Report]
>>33508804
Still no
Anonymous No.33508900 [Report]
>>33508434 (OP)
>What do I do?
Embrace almost any religion other than Christianity.
Anonymous No.33509795 [Report] >>33510068 >>33513507
>>33508434 (OP)
Convert to Judaism! Then you can cheat, rob and kill "goyim," and in the unlikely event that your conscience troubles you there is an annual ritual where your rabbi absolves you, because goyim (literally: "beasts") aren't really human anyway. And if you join the priesthood you get to suck baby dick, if that's your thing.
Anonymous No.33509888 [Report]
https://youtu.be/CfBRlm9o4xU?si=mE_EAx3UOGMToF3q
nick !!yZDaID7fd64 No.33510068 [Report]
>>33509795
>Then you can cheat, rob and kill "goyim,"

i don't think this is true: if hashem actually endorsed this then why have the chosen people been successfuly extricated 109 times and how have they drawn worldwide ire in today's times? why do the chosen people have so many chronic illnesses?

all of man is subject to the mandate of heaven and while the torah may be the word of God there is definitely room for error or even misdirection in the talmud

after exploring many religions and coming to the conclusion that the mandate of heaven is reflected in quality of life, my life has been of highest quality since i became a (semi) righteous noahide who observes the sabbath
Anonymous No.33512335 [Report]
>>33508434 (OP)
My friend, Jesus lives in you! He lives in your heart and you can find him there. Do this: go into yourself and feel love for him there, in the center of your heart. Surely he will answer you, and you will know it was him. Then you will think, "Ah, God lives in me, for he is God, and Jesus has answered me in my heart, therefore surely he is God as well, for only God could answer me in my heart." And you will indeed be correct, for only God lives inside of you, and only God can answer you from your heart, and this Jesus is the one that answered you from there indeed. Therefore do this and you will prove to yourself that Jesus is God indeed
Anonymous No.33512367 [Report] >>33512729
>>33508434 (OP)
All rivers lead to the ocean. Jesus is one way, but there are many others.
Enlightened men like Jesus, Buddha, etc tried to show how to attain what they attained- union with God. Your relationship can be with God, not Jesus.
Anonymous No.33512405 [Report] >>33512555
Im wondering the same. I was literally just trying to pray to God for the first time shortly before seeing this. I deeply want that feeling of unconditional love that I've lost since my mom died. I feel like I'm the only one looking out for myself and I can't handle feeling so alone.
Anonymous No.33512435 [Report]
>>33508545
Then don't. Why are you trying to brainwash yourself into believing bullshit?
Anonymous No.33512555 [Report]
>>33512405
God is your heavenly Father, Holy Queen Virgin Mary is your heavenly Mother, and Christ the Prince of Peace is your heavenly brother. That’s the holy family you can always speak with in prayer. Sorry about your Earthly mom, man. I lost mine too.
Anonymous No.33512618 [Report]
Stop searching for God and accept that there is an omnipresence on your ass at all times. Then realize how pointless it is to care. After that you can channel its power like a chaos god or something
Anonymous No.33512657 [Report] >>33512871
>>33508434 (OP)
be a jew
Anonymous No.33512729 [Report] >>33513785
>>33512367
>Jesus is one way, but there are many others.

"Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

John 14:6-7

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other."

Matthew 6:24
Anonymous No.33512835 [Report] >>33512859 >>33512880
I think that there probably is a god or some kind of creator to explain where all of this shit came from but I think the chances of it being “Jesus” or any of the established religions are slim. I could be wrong. But thats my general stance. I pray to god and ask them for help sometimes but I don’t think any religion probably has it right or knows anything about them or what they want.
Anonymous No.33512859 [Report] >>33512873 >>33512880
>>33512835
Chances it's Jesus is actually the highest among all of the world religions. I'll lay down a disclaimer: I'm a Christian. I am aware of my own biases, but I was atheist-occultist for most of my life before Christ. I know how to think like an atheist. And in my opinion, Christ has the largest odds going for Him.

Muhammad needed coercion and violence to achieve his influence, hiding his face and using armies to force his will.

Buddha required abandon, leaving his own wife and children and appealing to nobility and discipline and reputation to spread his influence.

The Hindus required rigorous caste systems, obscene amounts of tradition and a karmic pyramid scheme to sway people into its influence.

Then there's Christ. A random dude from the plains of Galilee, just a carpenter, a guy born among donkey and goat faeces. No army, no reputation, no earthly nobility. No money either. All he needed was His words, that's all. Didn't appeal to the local tradition at all, in fact He vehemently opposed it and was crucified for it. And yet 2,000 years later we stub our toe and scream "Jesus Christ!". Somehow, our entire calendar revolves around his life B.C (before Christ) and A.D. (After his death). Just one random carpenter from some backwater town of Bethlehem says some words, and two millennia later 2,400,000,000 people follow Him. Question is: 'Why?'. What about that man and his words was so special that it created and continued to create such a large shockwave that had not stopped ringing to this day? Go and find out bro
Anonymous No.33512868 [Report]
>>33508434 (OP)
You recognize that before skeptics he did miracles. That Yahweh's effective story coincides with the story of Jesus. That eye-witnesses observed these facts within one generation.
Anonymous No.33512871 [Report]
>>33512657
How could you say that to someone?
Anonymous No.33512873 [Report] >>33512885
>>33512859
>I was atheist-occultist for most of my life before Christ
What made you change your ways? Did you receive a revelation?
Anonymous No.33512880 [Report] >>33513489
>>33512835
>>33512859
Also, some more points about Jesus that adds to his probability of being divine:

Prophecy fulfilment. There has been no figure that has had prophecies made for Him and then fulfilled by Him. There was no prophecy for Muhammad or Buddha, no culture of people who prophesied of a specific man coming from God one day who will do certain things, and then those things come to pass. Only Christ has done this. And the kicker? The people who made the prophesies rejected him. They were Jewish prophecies.

The best way to know a prophecy is bogus is when the people who made the prophecy accept it as having happened. That shows it was self fulfilled, a psychological mirage. Christ was rejected by those who made the prophecy. Yet the prophecy gets fulfilled anyway. Which means He is who He said He was. It means the cultural bias was not present to skew the result. Because the culture at that time hated him.

And one last extra optional thing to marvel on: Turin shroud. Go look into the scientific data of it. It's the most researched object of archaeology. Because of the dating of fibers and the imprint of the face in the cloth. The thing that confuses everyone is how that face is on the cloth. Because for it to have burned onto the fabric would have taken thermal levels of radiation energy production to produce it so quickly. And we know that Jews 2,000 years ago had no such technology for some cloth in some rock tomb. What was that burst of energy doing there? Where did that come from?
Anonymous No.33512885 [Report]
>>33512873
>What made you change your ways? Did you receive a revelation?

I encountered Satan. I received visitation from the demonic, it's a long story and at risk of sounding like a lunatic, I'll just say that I thankfully got saved. I am of sound mind and body and have not had any apparitions or encounters of supernatural things in my whole life except that one incident, hasn't happened since then and it's been years. I even got psych evaluations to back up my sanity.
Anonymous No.33513489 [Report]
>>33512880
>There was no prophecy for Muhammad
muslims claim there was
>or Buddha
prophecy doesn't make sense in an indian religious context

>The best way to know a prophecy is bogus is when the people who made the prophecy accept it as having happened. That shows it was self fulfilled, a psychological mirage. Christ was rejected by those who made the prophecy.
literally all of jesus' earliest followers were messianic jews who saw him as fulfilling the OT prophecies
Anonymous No.33513501 [Report]
>>33508495
That's got a lot of skepticism. Would be cool if it were real tho
Anonymous No.33513507 [Report]
>>33509795
Join Christianity to rape children and get away with it! You can always repent anyway, right?
Anonymous No.33513577 [Report]
>>33508804
Christianity in the past was as well. It's just the Protestants turned Christianity on its head so Catholicism had to rebrand to get back followers.

Honest opinion mystical Islam and Buddhism are the only religions that properly explain why we exist. Abrahamic faiths without esotericism actually kind of suck ass.
Anonymous No.33513700 [Report]
>>33508434 (OP)
Relatable.
Anonymous No.33513785 [Report]
>>33512729
Thank God I'm not Christian. Even ignoring the failures of modern Protestantism the first millennia of Christianity was just fighting amongst other Christians because beleiving Christ has one nature instead of two or that Christ has the same powers but is a created being meant you were going to be eternally damned.
Anonymous No.33513937 [Report]
>>33508569
So we agree.
Anonymous No.33515150 [Report] >>33515166
I kind of relate to this maybe. I've had shit experiences with Islam which completely put me off religion for years, but I'm looking into Judaism and thinking it wouldn't be too bad? Need to do more research but I just. Have this desire to convert and take part in those practices you know. I feel a pull towards it.
Anonymous No.33515166 [Report] >>33515789
>>33515150
>judaism
Lol. I'm a christian and I would genuinely rather you be an atheist
Anonymous No.33515789 [Report] >>33515861
>>33515166
Don't worry I'll convert just to piss you off x
Anonymous No.33515838 [Report]
>>33508434 (OP)
Worship your tulpa anime waifu instead
Anonymous No.33515852 [Report] >>33515868
>>33508446
What is your problem with Judaism that makes you think it somehow MORE problematic than christianity when you deny the divinity of christ? Christianity invented the doctrine of original sin and universal salvation through christ, saying that god cursed humanity and the only way to escape eternal torment and have a freely given glorious afterlife is to telepathically declare Jesus your eternal lord and master (and give the church your money). It is so obviously just Judaism grotesquely morphed into something it was never intended to be by ancient Roman grifters. That doctrine is such a clearly cynical cult tactic designed to create an in-group vs out-group separation. I don't understand how someone who denies the divinity of jesus could somehow find this bullshit less objectionable than judaism, which is literally the religion of struggling with god, of trying to understand God's nature and our relationship to him through scholarship and debate. That is what Israel means, he who wrestles with god. Judaism is not like christianity where you just have a priest do a magic water ritual, you say HALLELUJA and can smugly declare you get to spend eternity in a jewelry store in the clouds singing carols, while everyone who didnt do that ritual will burn in a pit forever, because god is love.
Anonymous No.33515861 [Report] >>33515877 >>33516908
>>33515789
>Don't worry I'll convert just to piss you off x
I'm not the guy you're talking to, but, don't you think Judaism odd? You should start to understand that Judaism is satanic, and Jesus is God. Think about it, have you never found all these child trafficking rings connected to Jews weird? The tunnels of New York and Gaza and Jews always accusing their enemies of things they do like terrorism? Don't you find weird all these secret societies connected to them? Don't you find odd that all US presidents went to kiss the wall on Israel and gave them money not mattering if they are democrats or republicans? Don't you find weird that Jews dress as twin tower and commemorate 09/11 as if they did it? I find very weird, and I will tell you, if after all that you don't, go ahead, convert to Judaism, but good lucky answering to Jesus at the end of time when he asks you why you decided to follow a false religion dedicated to bring the end of times.
Anonymous No.33515868 [Report] >>33515917
>>33515852
Not the guy you're talking to, but you are confusing Catholicism with Biblical Christianity. Go ahead, cut off your dick and become a Jews, just make sure you see it through the end.
Anonymous No.33515877 [Report] >>33515887
>>33515861
Don't bother reasoning with someone who only lives to spite people. They just hate Christianity for some reason. You could tell them to become a Hindu instead of atheist and they'll do that instead. Well not really, they're not gonna do anything. They just say things to say them. Waste of time.
Anonymous No.33515887 [Report]
>>33515877
You are absolutely right, they know God exists, they just hate him. Because the existence of God, means they are sinners that are in need of repentance, they love their sins more than God, and can't accept that.
Anonymous No.33515917 [Report] >>33515936 >>33516101
>>33515868
Are you saying original sin and salvation through faith in christ are not cornerstone tenets of christianity?
Anonymous No.33515936 [Report]
>>33515917
>Salvation through faith in Christ
Nta but depending on which denomination you ask you will get varying answers. But more to the point: Serial killers can have faith in Christ. Jeffrey Dahmer did. He raped and cannibalized a multitude of young men and even boys. Granted, he didn't have faith during his spree. Apparently converted in prison. He saved?
Anonymous No.33516101 [Report] >>33516113
>>33515917
No, I am talking about other things, water magic, giving the church money and so on

But do your thing buddy, go follow your rabbis, couldn't be less worried about it.
Anonymous No.33516113 [Report] >>33516137
>>33516101
Baptism has a strong scriptural basis, do you actually deny it?
Anonymous No.33516137 [Report]
>>33516113
>Baptism has a strong scriptural basis, do you actually deny it?
I believe in spiritual baptism, not water baptism, the only water baptism I believe is the one performed in Jesus the Messiah. I don't believe that dipping your toes on water is going to save you.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Anonymous No.33516908 [Report] >>33517005
>>33515861
I'm guessing you believe in pizzagate too? Cant imagine seething this hard over a rounding errors population worth of people but good for you I guess
Anonymous No.33516958 [Report]
>>33508434 (OP)
that's okay, I find it hard to accept that God made people considering how shitty they generally are. if you are naturally gravitating towards christianity, and not jest menu picking religions to create personality, just stick with it and contemplate and see where it gets you. you don't have to be 100% strong believer from birth until death
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Anonymous No.33517005 [Report] >>33517035
>>33516908
>Cant imagine seething this hard over a rounding errors population worth of people but good for you I guess
You can treat as a conspiracy theory, it is a conspiracy, but not a theory, maybe you'll figure it out soon enough.
Anonymous No.33517035 [Report] >>33517141
>>33517005
The more bullshit and whining I see, the more I understand the jews rofl
Anonymous No.33517099 [Report] >>33517242
>>33508434 (OP)
If you look at the extremes, it might be easier to see;

Jesus overturned tables in the tabernacle, citing that they had turned it into a den of thieves.

Look at the modern world today, the all consuming religion of extreme money addiction, and the much, much larger den of thieves ruling over the world.

You cannot serve both God and money (mammon).
Anonymous No.33517116 [Report]
>>33508434 (OP)
You find God by surrendering to God.

watch the life of jesus movie on youtube. read 'the way of the pilgrim' also on youtube.
Anonymous No.33517141 [Report] >>33517149
>>33517035
You sound like a jew yourself.
Anonymous No.33517149 [Report]
>>33517141
Would've been way more convenient than having to be born in a muzzie family and convert later
nick !!yZDaID7fd64 No.33517242 [Report]
>>33517099
jesus was literally an orthodox rabbi on a war path reformist and cynical "jews"

even pontious pilate was like "shit nigga idk figure this out amongst yourselves"
Anonymous No.33517442 [Report] >>33517446
I saw this image on /pol/
Anonymous No.33517446 [Report]
>>33517442

>>>/pol/513236598
Anonymous No.33517451 [Report]
"I weave for God the garment you see him by" -Goethe

if God is omnipresent then he is everywhere, including in us. therefore Jesus was also God, a man who was self-conscious of that fact. he also quoted a verse in Psalms that admits men are Gods

and in Genesis it is written that God made man in his own image

you can understand it physically/metaphorically too without religion. the universe is one. we are an extension of it.

>We are the local embodiment of a Cosmos grown to self-awareness. -Carl Sagan
Anonymous No.33517455 [Report] >>33517458
beyond that, there is karmic utility in sacrifice. that can be one way to understand how Jesus 'saves', but there are other ways too (read the story of adam and eve on the cia website)
Anonymous No.33517458 [Report]
>>33517455

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79B00752A000300070001-8.pdf
Anonymous No.33517549 [Report]
>>33508560
>hurr durr pretty colors mean everything good
Anonymous No.33518663 [Report]
>>33508434 (OP)
Go to your Catholic parish and talk to the priest. Finding God and living with Him is a long journey, don't stress, just keep showing up to Mass and to regular talks with the priest. God bless you, Anon.
Anonymous No.33518711 [Report]
>>33508434 (OP)
Christianity was the I AM doctrine veiled for the piscean age, a judeo-masonic concoction, specifically Jupiter and the Sun in Pisces. Islam was Venus in Pisces. For the aquarian age the I AM doctrine will be veiled under the guise of AI and other technological creations.

Jesus = Je suis = Jeshua = Yah Weh = Jove = Jupiter = Zeus = Deus = I AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZftML6pAv7E
Anonymous No.33520579 [Report]
>>33508434 (OP)
God doesn't exists desu