Thread 33513696

How do you maintain in accordance with Christ's teachings? I am an autistic 23 year old Catholic who has been battling with faith in Christ. I continue to sin and let lust and wrath to control me. How can I better handle these sins? I feel as if I have no chance of entering God's kingdom and am confused whether I even have a spiritual relationship with Christ.If Terry Davis could be a good Christian, Surely I can I just hard.

>>33513696 (OP)
>How do you maintain in accordance with Christ's teachings?
>Catholic
It's already impossible, you are not in accordance with God, you are following a man made religion.

>I feel as if I have no chance of entering God's kingdom
Because maybe, just maybe not saved. You believe in works, and that you can work yourself to heaven.

I can show to you why Catholicism is an evil religion, and works cannot save. But only if you're up to change, otherwise, just ignore what I said and keep following your man made religion.

Please elaborate. I would like to see what you mean by Catholicism is evil. Tell me why its not in accordance with God

>>33513718
Brainless prot ignorance. Prots hate Jesus.

>>33513696 (OP)
I'm not a Catholic but I'm a traditionalist so have respect for Catholicism. Self-accountability is the key and never justify your vices. It may take a long time to climb the stairs to heaven but most people choose to give up instead of continuing to work for it.

>>33513788
>Doesn't bear the fruits of the spirit (love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control)
>Clearly evil

Galatians 5:22–23
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.”

>>33513770
>Please elaborate. I would like to see what you mean by Catholicism is evil. Tell me why its not in accordance with God
I commend you for your curiosity, one of the most important things when seeking God is to be committed with the Truth above all else, because JESUS is the truth, the way and the life, thus I will show you only a FEW things I know about Catholicism, because I know a lot of evil things about it, that are difficult to show through text.

1. The Hebrew people in the old testament were worshipping a female deity, they used o say she was the mother of God, the wife of God, a perpetual virgin, and the mother of God. This entity was called Asherah, Astaroth, Venus, it depends on the culture, and she received many titles, one of these titles was "QUEEN OF HEAVEN", that's exactly the way that Catholics call Mary. This is clearly idolatry.

Jeremiah 7:18
“The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes to the QUEEN OF HEAVEN. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to arouse my anger.”


2. Jesus told us not to call anyone "father", "rabbi"... Catholics call their "spiritual leaders" father, padre, papa... Many variations of the word father.

Matthew 23:8–10
“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.
And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.”

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>>33513770
>>33513841
3. Catholics believe you can work your way to heaven, but the Bible is clear that this cannot happen, and you are saved by the GRACE of God.

Ephesians 2:8–9
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.”

Romans 3:28
“For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.”

Galatians 2:16
“...a person is not justified by the works of the law, but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we too have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.”

Titus 3:5
“He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.”

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>>33513808
>I'm not a Catholic but I'm a traditionalist so have respect for Catholicism
Maybe, just maybe, it's because you are not saved.

>It may take a long time to climb the stairs to heaven
Implies you can climb to heave, when Jesus clearly said that anyone that tries to enter heaven through any other means than him, is a thief and is going to be beaten and thrown into eternal darkness.

John 10:1–5
1 “Very truly I tell you, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.
2 The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice.
5 But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.”

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>>33513855
>>33513808

John 10:6–18
6 Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them.

7 Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep.
8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them.
9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.
10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
12 The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.
13 The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

14 “I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me—
15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again.
18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

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>>33513770
>Please elaborate. I would like to see what you mean by Catholicism is evil. Tell me why its not in accordance with God
Do you understand now? There's many, many other points, I won't go into them because it requires study of the word of God, if you can't comprehend these 3 points, it's already pointless for me to proceed.

>>33513718
The irony is that you call OP's faith a man-made religion. And then in the same post, you (a man) tell him that you hold the truth. You are the one who offers man-made religion.

>>33513841
>Gospel according to ME

>>33513855
>It's because you are not saved.
And the protestant gall, thinking themselves as God adjacent and not God's servant. You tell OP he is not saved as if you presume to know how and where God gives grace. You are not the arbiter of God's grace, no-one ordained you. You ordain yourself.

>>33513843
>The bible is clear that this cannot happen, and you are saved by GRACE of God.

Yes the same Grace you try to confirm or deny on God's behalf like a good Antichrist.

Also it's not faith alone. Maybe if you studied the bible as you claimed you did, you would find:

>What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

James 2: 14-26.

Faith without works is DEAD.

>>33513893
>The irony is that you call OP's faith a man-made religion.
>And then in the same post, you (a man) tell him that you hold the truth.
>You are the one who offers man-made religion.
I never said I hold the truth, the gospel is the truth. I only quoted the gospel. Have you ever read it? I doubt, otherwise you wouldn't be Catholic. You don't believe in the Bible, you don't believe in God, please, rip off your Bible and declare yourself an atheist, it's better than LARPING as a Christian.

>>33513900
>>Gospel according to ME
No, Gospel according to the Bible. Did I changed scriptures? I quoted them fully. But you can't answer. However, now that the truth was made know, you will have no excuses in the day of judgement.

>>33513905
>And the protestant gall, thinking themselves as God adjacent and not God's servant. You tell OP he is not saved as if you presume to know how and where God gives grace. You are not the arbiter of God's grace, no-one ordained you. You ordain yourself.
Did I said he is not saved? I did MAYBE, just MAYBE he is not saved. Am I wrong? You can't answer, so you decide to distort what I said. The truth does no inhabit in you.

You guys, do not love the truth, you can't answer my arguments, because they are not mine, they came directly from the scriptures. The only thing you can do is attack me, and my character. You can lie to yourself, but you cannot lie to God.

>>33513913
None of the scriptures you quoted contradict what I said. James 2:14-26 is contributing not contradicting what Paul said. If you are saved, you will have works, but these works did not saved you. These works are evidence of your salvation, that's what James means when he says "Faith without works is DEAD." Because indeed it's dead. You cannot be saved and act the way you and these other people are acting, LMAO

>>33513913
>James 2: 14-26.
Thank you for proving my point hahahaha

>>33513920
>I only quoted the gospel
And then proceeded to butcher the interpretation like the typical protestant you are. There was a reason why the church fathers spent centuries in counsel to correctly understand the Bible, which they compiled and distributed and wrote copies of by hand long before your heretical denomination even blighted the world.

>I quoted them fully
And you think you can apply them at face value without actually understanding the contexts, you twist them to fit your anti-catholic narrative. You don't even care for the actual meanings of the verses, you use them as manipulable fodder to fashion into a weapon against other Christians. You are what Christ calls the worker of lawlessness.

>I said MAYBE
Don't pretend to be coy. You sow seeds of doubt, and you use the word maybe on purpose for your agenda.

You are the one who lies to yourself. Read your bible, protestant. Not just with your eyes but your heart.

>>33513956
>>I only quoted the gospel
>And then proceeded to butcher
No, when did I do that? I quoted them fully. You are free to provide your interpretation.


>>33513956
>>I quoted them fully
>And you think you can apply them at face value without actually understanding the contexts
I quoted them in context. As I said, you cannot answer, so the only thing you can do is to attack inexistent scarecrows.

>you twist them to fit your anti-catholic narrative
When did I twisted anything? I quoted them fully. Show me where I twisted them.

>>33513956
>You don't even care for the actual meanings of the verses
Prove it. Please, go ahead and prove that it means a different thing. Because when I quoted, Jesus provided his interpretation in John 10:6–18, I didn't need to interpret ANYTHING. Are you saying that Jesus interpretation of HIS OWN PARABLE is wrong?

>>33513956
>You are what Christ calls the worker of lawlessness.
See, you don't use scriptures, the only thing you can do at this point is curse at me, call me this, call me that, but you cannot answer.

>>33513696 (OP)
OP, decide for yourself, do you want to believe in Jesus and his words, or do you want to believe in man? Because these people here, which represent very well the Catholic demographic, would rather take their own interpretation, and the interpretation of other man, than to take the interpretation of JESUS in John 10:6–18 of HIS OWN PARABLE. Can you believe that? Jesus says what it means, and they say it's wrong, and that Jesus interpretation of his own parable is wrong. Crazy world we live in.

>>33513988
I'm not playing your game, you know exactly what you do. Then you throw up the fog of "I don't know what you accuse me of, point out what I just did blatantly just then."

Faith without works is dead. You just spent a post telling OP that trying to have works alongside his faith is somehow evil or not in alignment with the faith. You get shown chapter and verse that tells you no works = your faith is dead. And you back pedal. Anyway go become a protestant minister or something, sell Jesus for $249.99 a month and get that shiny wagon car and the megachurch or whatever it is you businessmen masking as ministers of God do

>>33514012
>You just spent a post telling OP that trying to have works alongside his faith is somehow evil or not in alignment with the faith
I never said that. I said that his works will not save him. Am I wrong?

>>33514012
>sell Jesus for $249.99 a month and get that shiny wagon car and the megachurch or whatever it is you businessmen masking as ministers of God do
See, it's as i said, you cannot answer to the scriptures I laid out, and you will rather attack my character and LIE. You are giving false testimony, I never went to ANY mega church. Cursing at people and giving false testimony is what you call "good works"?

> I continue to sin and let lust and wrath to control me. How can I better handle these sins?
You're in a community of faithful people willing to help you. What degree you believe doesn't matter. Talk to a priest about your problems. Free therapist. It doesn't even have to be your priest, Christians are supposed to accept other Christians in need.

>>33514025
>I never said that. I said that his works will not save him. Am I wrong?
You are not. But faith alone does not save you either. Faith, as understood by belief, is something even demons have. They believe God exists, they acknowledge Christ is King and they despise it. Faith is a cornerstone, and so is works. You seek to undermine the cornerstones.

>Will rather attack my character and LIE
No lies, but yes I will attack your character. I've no problem with you as a person, a child of God, but this pretense, the character you perform as, I don't mind attacking. Pick a better character, one that actually knows its own actions.

Your action today was to enter a thread where a Christian was having difficulty with faith, and like a vulture you attempt to take him further away from faith, away from his church, and away from his creed. That's the only thing protestantism has accomplished in its history: Schism. Dividing churches and scattering flocks.

>3514047
>You are not. But faith alone does not save you either
Yes, it does. Have you not read the thief on the cross? What works did he have? Works do not save anyone, they are a result of your faith.

>No lies
How so? You said I go to megachurches. You said that I said he is not saved. You said that I told him not to do works. How is that not lying?


>I will attack your character
Glad you admit it. Your words condemn you.

>like a vulture you attempt to take him further away from faith
No, I showed him Catholicism is a false doctrine, Catholicism is not Christianity. You cannot serve two masters.

Notice, you never showed that I was wrong in any of what I said, because you can't, I stand on solid rock, which is the word of God, you stand on sand.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

>>3514047
>You are not. But faith alone does not save you either
Yes, it does. Have you not read the thief on the cross? What works did he have? Works do not save anyone, they are a result of your faith.

>No lies
How so? You said I go to megachurches. You said that I said he is not saved. You said that I told him not to do works. How is that not lying?


>I will attack your character
Glad you admit it. Your words condemn you.

>like a vulture you attempt to take him further away from faith
No, I showed him Catholicism is a false doctrine, Catholicism is not Christianity. You cannot serve two masters.

Notice, you never showed that I was wrong in any of what I said, because you can't, I stand on solid rock, which is the word of God, you stand on sand.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

>>33514047
>You are not. But faith alone does not save you either
Yes, it does. Have you not read the thief on the cross? What works did he have? Works do not save anyone, they are a result of your faith.

>No lies
How so? You said I go to megachurches. You said that I said he is not saved. You said that I told him not to do works. How is that not lying?


>I will attack your character
Glad you admit it. Your words condemn you.

>like a vulture you attempt to take him further away from faith
No, I showed him Catholicism is a false doctrine, Catholicism is not Christianity. You cannot serve two masters.

Notice, you never showed that I was wrong in any of what I said, because you can't, I stand on solid rock, which is the word of God, you stand on sand.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

>>33514119
>Thief in the cross
Yes now use that protestant brain of yours and understand instead of simply knowing. Who was that thief on the cross next to? Christ Himself. Who is Christ? Son of God. Part of the Triune Godhead, aka God. What was the thief given? Grace. From who? Christ.
Are you the thief on the cross? Am I? No. We're two 4channers staring at a screen. We did not get nailed to a piece of wood within feet of Christ. The point is that you cannot take one portion of the Bible and copy paste it in every facet of life. Especially when there's other considerations to make of Christ's teachings:
>Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Matthew 7:21-23.
The lesson there is faith on its own does not take you to heaven.

>You words condemn you
According to who? You? You're a sinner same as me. Do not pretend otherwise.

>Catholicism is no Christianity
There you go again, acting on behalf of God like a good Antichrist, telling others who is Christian and who isn't. I recognize you as a Christian, a brother in Christ. A misguided one. But child of God the same. You, in your spiritual pride, cannot do the same for anyone who challenges you. This is why protestantism is a blight.

>>33514229
They don't even have proper commandments.
Their queen of heaven is ishtar.
Vicar of Christ is literally dollar store man of perdition, anti is also means instead, in place of.
They are not christian.

>>33514229
>Ramblings, no scripture
I don't want to offend you, but your opinion is useless. The thief on the cross had no works. you can twist all you want, notice, you don't quote a single Bible verse, you want you use your own logic, and your own beliefs. What does it matter if Christ was besides the thief on the cross or not? So you don't believe that Christ is made manifest?

>>33514229
>Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Have you even tried reading the Bible verse you quoted? This Bible verse is exactly refuting EVERYTHING you said. This Bible verse is talking AGAINST works based salvation.

Notice, the list of those Jesus declared he never knew them:

"have we not prophesied in Your name"
"cast out demons in Your name"
"and done many wonders in Your name?"

They are literally grabbing about WORKS. They think they know Christ, they think they bought their way to heaven with their filth rags. But what did Jesus said?

‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Quite ironic that your own words testimony against (you)

Than you said

>>33514229
>Matthew 7:21-23.
>The lesson there is faith on its own does not take you to heaven.
No, the lesson here is, your works will not take you to heaven, knowing Christ will. And you don't seem to know him.

Then you proceed with more ramblings, without any Bible verse, again, you are leaning on your own understanding, and on SAND. I lean on the ROCK which is Christ.

Made the same post but fixing my grammar. I am quite shaken that you cannot understand such simple scriptures. It's like you've been blinded.

>>33514229
>Ramblings, no scripture
I don't mean to offend you, but your opinion doesn't hold weight. The thief on the cross had no works. You can twist things all you want, but notice, you haven't quoted a single Bible verse. Instead, you rely on your own logic and beliefs. What difference does it make whether Christ was beside the thief or not? Do you not believe that Christ is made manifest?

>>33514229
>Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Have you even tried reading the Bible verse you quoted? This Bible verse is EXACTLY refuting EVERYTHING you said. This Bible verse is speaking AGAINST works-based salvation.

Notice the list of those whom Jesus declared He never knew:

>"have we not prophesied in Your name"
>"cast out demons in Your name"
>"and done many wonders in Your name?"

They are literally boasting about WORKS. They think they know Christ—they believe they’ve bought their way to heaven with their filthy rags. But what did Jesus say?

>‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Quite ironic that your own words testify against you.

Then you said

>>33514229
>Matthew 7:21-23.
>The lesson there is faith on its own does not take you to heaven.
No, the lesson here is, your WORKS will not take you to heaven, knowing CHRIST will. And you don't seem to know Him.

Then you proceed with more RAMBLINGS, without any Bible verse. Again, you are leaning on your own understanding, and on SAND. I lean on the ROCK which is Christ.

>>33514229
>You're a sinner same as me. Do not pretend otherwise.
Yup, I am a sinner, and I very well know I cannot buy my way to heaven. But you think otherwise, you think you are righteous and that you can buy your way to heaven with your work. I'm not the one who pretends otherwise (you) are the one who pretends otherwise.

>>33514288
>The thief on the cross had no works. you can twist all you want
First of all, offend me, I dont care. In fact I’d prefer you trying because at least it’s more authentic than the holier than thou act.

>you dont quote a single bible verse
Now who’s the liar? Did already forget the ones you responded to that I posted?

>What does it matter if Christ was besides the thief on the cross or not?
If you connect the dots I laid out for you, you’d know. You’d know that to share death with Christ is an honor. And the thief acknowledged this, that is why he was given grace. Christ gave the grace to him. And we cannot just take the grace for granted and assume we are as that thief just because the thief got given grace.

>Against works based salvation
You already admitted posts earlier that works are a sign of faith. Therefore you’d know the verse isn’t speaking on works-based, but talking of the faith entirely. Those who have faith aren’t guaranteed a heaven ticket. Because God judges who goes and who doesn’t. Not you, not me, but God. You seem to forget that very often as you relish telling Christians who is condemned and who is evil.

>knowing christ takes you to heaven
Satan knows him. Even paid him a visit a few times in the desert. Yet Satan is cast out. Quite the mystery there bud.

>I lean on the ROCK

>And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 16:18

The irony is you refuse to lean on rocks, period.

>>33513696 (OP)
>How do you maintain in accordance with Christ's teachings?
I don't. I realised Christianity made absolutely no sense when I was about eight years old.

Thank you, all. From this thread it has taught me that I must go and seek wisdom from within the bible. Alongside going to talk to some priests. I will pray to god to guide me in this matter.

>>33514408
>>The thief on the cross had no works. you can twist all you want
>First of all, offend me, I dont care. In fact I’d prefer you trying because at least it’s more authentic than the holier than thou act.
How is that an offense? You are offending yourself, I haven't cursed at you, and I have not said a SINGLE lie. Since cursing at me, and telling lies didn't work, now you are trying to play the VICTIM CARD.

Not gonna work, everybody can see the messages you sent before attacking me and lying. no amount of crying and playing the pitiful will change that.

>>you dont quote a single bible verse
>Now who’s the liar? Did already forget the ones you responded to that I posted?
You know very well what I answering to, I was talking about the rambling you had BEFORE quoting the Bible, which had NO correlation to the verses you quoted. They were baseless rumble. You can keep tryin to twist, but do you know what's the best thing about being on the right side? I don't have to twist anything.

>You already admitted posts earlier that works are a sign of faith.
>Therefore you’d know the verse isn’t speaking on works-based
How so? You are twisting what I said, works-based salvation is believing that works save you. I never said it saves you, I said it's the signs of your salvation, and assassin CANNOT be absolved by helping an old lady carry her groceries.

>>knowing christ takes you to heaven
>Satan knows him. Even paid him a visit a few times in the desert. Yet >Satan is cast out. Quite the mystery there bud.
Keep trying to twist the scriptures mate, not gonna help you. Satan doesn't have a regenerated heart, he didn't receive a new spirit, he wasn't predestined since the foundation of the world to be saved, he didn't show any signs of regeneration, which are good works.

>Matthew 16:18
>The irony is you refuse to lean on rocks, period.
The rock is the truth Peter proffered. That Jesus is the son of the LIVING GOD. Not Peter, not your false apostate church.

>>33514408
>And we cannot just take the grace for granted and assume we are as that thief just because the thief got given grace.
Literally the entire Bible verse tells it's grace that saves, but you rather discard that and lean on your own understanding...

>>33514466
How is that an offense?
I'm responding to when you said "I don't mean to offend you". I'm facetiously telling you that I wish you would, because it'd be more honest.

>Attacking you
Give it a rest, protestant. You dish it out but can't take it. You tell people others are condemned and accuse over a billion people they are evil (the Catholic Church). You even act like some Pharisee who tells others they MAYBE might not be saved, you even outright told me I'm not Christian at all.

>The rock is the truth peter proffered
I love this verse because it makes Protestants squirm. Y'know how they squirm? They always avoid and omit the part of the verse that says:
>And upon this rock I will build My church
>My church
>Upon this rock
>I call you Peter, which means rock
>My church
>The rock


Hilarious. Anyway protestant, how about we both shut up and actually do some works. We've clogged this thread long enough. Would you like to join forces and stick it to that Seraphic worm, Satan, by helping OP out and combining our encouragement to help him avoid porn?

>>33514550
Jesus saying building the church on Peter is true but he meant Peter the dude, not the authority to have an infinite series of kings in Rome with ultimate authority, sweetie

>>33514550
>You tell people others are condemned
Again, lies and more lies... I said MAYBE they aren't saved. Nothing wrong with that.

>>33514550
>>And upon this rock I will build My church
>>My church
>>Upon this rock
>>I call you Peter, which means rock
>>My church
>>The rock
You don't know what you are talking about. First you ignore all the verses that prove you're wrong, and your church is apostate. Now even this verse you are distorting. Jesus is making a PLAY with Peter's name. Peter means pebble.

Πέτρος (Petros) = masculine noun meaning stone or small rock, this is Peter’s name.

πέτρᾳ (petra) = feminine noun meaning large rock or bedrock, this is the foundation.

"You are Petros (a stone), and upon this petra (bedrock, the truth he said, which is Jesus) I will build my church."


This distinction suggests that Jesus was making a play on words, not declaring Peter himself as the foundational rock. Many scholars argue that Christ Himself or Peter’s confession of faith ("You are the Christ, the Son of the living God") is the true PETRA, the foundation of the Church

This is further strengthened by the parable of THE WISE AND FOOLISH BUILDERS:

Matthew 7:24–27
“Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the ROCK (PETRA). And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell, and great was the fall of it.”

Again, you are building your house on SAND. I build my house on ROCK (PETRA). You can keep distorting everything you read, and everything I say, not gonna work.

>>33514584
>Jesus saying building the church on Peter is true but he meant Peter the dude
No

>>33514464
>Thank you, all.

I'd say no problem but I got sidetracked and clogged up your thread with bickering with the protestant anon. Allow me to actually provide something for you:

I will share what my priest told me as I struggle with the same battle:

>"Christ's mercy is endless, He will always forgive you. But forgiveness is a choice, and God is love, God chooses to forgive. Acceptance of the gift of forgiveness is a choice. You must choose to accept the forgiveness. If you can choose the sin, you can choose the forgiveness. And you can demonstrate this acceptance of forgiveness by putting up a fight against the temptations. Do not give up fighting it, Christ did not give up fighting for your eternal life, so you must fight against temptation as best you can, even if imperfect."

In what way this fight takes form, I cannot say OP. Priest didn't say either. Other priests recommend reading scripture at the hour of temptation, or prayer, alongside using whatever willpower you got in you.

Not sure about you, but I find when I try to turn to God, the temptations hit harder. When I am in a state of grace and I've been forgiven, and I try my best, Satan rallies a harder attack.

"The devil is most powerful when he is denied".
The snake doesn't go down without a fight of his own.

So the thing that helps me is to try and do as Christ did. Telling the snake to get behind Him. Not in front of Him, but behind Him. That means allowing yourself to be tempted. Not to enjoy, but to acknowledge the temptations are going to happen. Just as Christ was tempted in the desert. But then choosing against them. That means you do not fall for the Diabolic trick. The trick is to make you feel shame for feeling tempted. "go on, you are tempted anyway, you are already in sin. Do it. Just sin." So allowing the fact you will be tempted, without seeking to be, you disarm the shame. Disarming the shame means Satan loses the trick card. Makes you more able to deny the action of sin.

>>33514550
Also, can you answer to the "QUEEN OF HEAVEN" Thing? OR the other point of being called FATHER?

You may find me annoying, but I have a reasonable argument.

>>33514608
>Peter means pebble
>Proceeds to give the translation for a rock. Proceeds to throw in the word 'little'

>Peter is a common masculine given name. It is derived directly from Greek Πέτρος, Petros which itself was a translation of Aramaic Kefa ("stone, rock"), ..

You there the word 'small' on your own. It means rock. Rock is rock is rock.

Anyway hurry up and help the OP. Do some works

>>33514608
>No
lmao typical Catholic, knows every fucking argument against prot brainrot and can't articulate a real argument against real Christian doctrine

>>33514657
I'm not Catholic. Have you read what I typed?

>>33514647
Take as you will, still not bedrock

>>33514647
>It means rock. Rock is rock is rock.
It does not, it means stone. Still not PETRA, he is CEPHAS, not PETRA. PETRA is as said in Matthew 7:24–27

>>33513696 (OP)
Gods grace is always present, when these thoughts come into your mind, pray. Salvation is possible anon and you have the right mindset to try hard. I suffer the same things and the best way is to pray to God saying that you are tempted and ask for strength to over come it. Don't let the sin be the center of your attention, I will pray for you Anon

>>33514661
Uh huh. And what is bedrock made out of? Wood? Sand? Glass? Marshmallows?And if you mean bedrock as in something fundamental, something old, immovable, withstands the test of time, then do consider your Protestant denomination was formed 1517. About a millennia late. Not exactly a good bedrock for a church is it?

And yes I know Christ is the bedrock. Christ built a church, if you noticed in Catholic churches we believe Christ is the bedrock so much we even shape our church buildings in the shape of crucifixes. Go look at a satellite view of them from above. We even make Christ the center of the church interior, big giant cross and statue of his likeness. And the altar where the sacrament of his body is kept, the communion. How dare we do that I know, I'll assume you think it's all idolatry to have such a center focus on Christ at church that we'd be bold enough to have a reminder of him so central to our place of worship. But hey at least it's more focused on Christ than the rock bands you have at protestant church with the rich vicars in suits talking about their prosperity and being rich all the time.

Christ went AFK. He'll be back. In the meantime, help the OP.

>>33514709
Alright. I won't argue with you anymore. You can follow your own way. I am exiting this conversation.

>issues with lust and wrath

you need to know your identity in Christ, as well as the authority we have been given through Christ.

> Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.
Matthew 10:8

this shows the authority God has given us over every evil thing on earth, including any temptations and demons that bring sinful desires.

you must know that every single sin is a choice once you are free in Christ, and every sin crucifies Jesus again, and puts Him to shame.
> if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. Hebrews 6:6

> Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:7

God gives us the power and ability to say no to the devil, no temptation is too much that God will not give you the ability to escape. the more you say no to sin and satan, the easier it will get, you just have to start breaking sin habits once you decide you love Lord Jesus more than your sin.

as quoted previously, one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit is self control, so pray that as long as the Spirit is within you, you will be able to exercise this fruit and be able to control yourself and your actions. continually pray and repent to the Lord, have faith that He will bring you out of whatever you are in, and cover yourself in the Blood of Jesus that you may serve Him well. Lord Jesus bless you OP!

>>33514759
Oh don't be such a downer. Take heart in knowing you can go back to church, the one that's been around for about as long as Christ Himself. The one that actually has sacraments and kept with the tradition and kept it alive since Christ through the apostolic succession. You are more than welcome to come back.

Whether you interpret that as Catholic or Orthodox, your call. But at least one schism is better than the 100 that Protestantism has spawned.

>>33513696 (OP)
It is not foolproof, but do you regularly take confession? I have found that nothing stops me from masturbaring like having to tell a judgmental old man that I'm doing it

>>33514923
>I have found that nothing stops me from masturbation like having to tell a judgmental old man that I'm doing it

Lmao. Actually true. Your priest not ask you to pray for him too at the end of confessions? "Pray for me too, a sinner" etc?

>>33513696 (OP)
I feel like this should really be a question for your priest, or your family if they are religious as well.

>>33513696 (OP)
Set it aside as a question of faith and start working on yourself as a matter of becoming a better person. Evaluate if and how you let your lust control you, under what circumstances and what real harm it causes - and work to manage that. You first learn to channel your low impulses more productively and then develop better habits from that.

>>33513696 (OP)
Anon, struggling with sin is a lifelong endeavor. You will sin again and again. Just try to be better each time and do your best not to. It is hard to say how not to since it would depend on the specific sin, but I am sure God will guide you if you keep searching for Him. Remember: your sins will never be as great as His grace and mercy.

>>33515850
>His mercy
Tell that to victims of epstein island and other innocent victims

>>33516031
Tell that to Epstein.
>Hurr a human did evil thing
>Durr best blame God instead of the Godless human who did evil thing

>>33514923
>confessing your sins to some greasy atheist or even satanist
Jesus christ is only one who you should confess.

>>33516043
James 5:16

>"Therefore confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working."

Is this another protestant?

>>33514288
>RaMbLiNgS
Enjoy burning in hell, medposting faggot.

>>33514550
>appeal to majority
Matthew 7:13
Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat.
But i guess countless sinners in hell cannot be wrong.

>>33513855
Yahweh is a demonic entity that I disassociate from. Catholicism is too trenched into Jewish mythology but I respect it when it isn't.

>>33513696 (OP)
prayer discipline would help you, when you're feeling lustful just pray. if you're feeling wrathful pray. do your morning prayers and evening prayers. pray throughout the day. we're not perfect and you will never be perfect. accept that and strive to be Christlike.

>>33516081
>Enjoy burning in hell
Very Christian of you, since you believe in works based salvation, I wonder who is the one who is going to hell after that.

>>33516117
Your logic is backwards, again. I got the feeling Protestants have no spatial awareness or something. Like spiritual autism I swear.

>But I guess countless sinners in hell cannot be wrong.
Brother, are we in Hell right now? Or Earth? Do you think the term 'narrow gate' refers to population? Why? If that's how it's really to be interpreted then go join the smallest religion in the world: Samaritanism. Only 900 people worldwide follow it. I guess it must be the narrow gate.

It's like Protestants can't even read

>>33516305
>strawman
>reddity passive agressive tone
>no u