Thread 33525585

All my research online and street interviewing people in 5 different states have revealed to me that being a male virgin is a big ICK after 25. It's borderline ICK for like half number of girls over 20.
Most girls are likely to forgive their husband if he had a hooker AFTER marriage and they have kids and almost all don't care if he slept with hookers before. Some told me they prefer he "got some practice".

I am almost 30 and still a virgin. I can talk to women fine. But it becomes very apparent im a virgin if convo gets longer and I see when they realize it and get the ick. They will even act supportive when they ask "how many relationships you had" and when you say 0 they lie and say thats sweet or ask why. If you lie and say 2-3 they know.

If a woman unironically uses "ICK" then they're only good for a pump and dump.

>>33525585 (OP)
Just a friendly reminder: Prostitutes, call girls, escorts, "sex workers" all have an average of 25 clients a week. They fuck a classroom's worth of different men per week. Do the math, 25 a week X 52 weeks in a year totals to 1,300 men a year. That's one-thousand-three-hundred chances to get HIV, Syphilus, Hepatitis, Herpes every single year.

And that's just from fucking one prostitute. If you fuck a different one afterwards, take the numbers and times by 2. And your odds of catching something skyrockets and its already astronomical from fucking one on their own.

>>33525585 (OP)
>Most girls are likely to forgive their husband if he had a hooker AFTER marriage and they have kids and almost all don't care if he slept with hookers before. Some told me they prefer he "got some practice".
what sort of cool website did you get that information from?

Anyways 25 is zoomer years, that's still a young adult. 30 is also no the end of the road either.

If absolutely nothing has happened with relationships and normal sex by the time you hit 40? Absolutely go and buy those hookers.

There's also nothing you can really learn from hookers that would translate to a normal relationship or even normal sex.

>>33525606
Your numbers are a little off. But more importantly, for every one of those encounters a hooker will *religiously* use a condom. They even make their clients wear a condom for a blow job. So they are probably clean; and you'll be using a condom too, so you're doubly protected. You are far, far more likely to catch an STD from some slut on Tinder who lets you and everyone else go in raw.

>>33525624
Except your forget most hookers let people go in raw for a premium. It's even advertised on many calls girl sites.

>>33525585 (OP)
Almost everything you say here is false; I have no idea where you get this bullshit from. Women *never* forgive a guy who uses a hooker. Never. The idea that you can make yourself more desirable by fucking a hooker is deranged.

Having said that, if you make it to the age of 30 without getting laid, you are NEVER going to have sex with anyone who isn't a hooker anyway; so you have nothing to lose, other than having paid money for bad sex.

>>33525639
>Except your forget most hookers let people go in raw for a premium
The only hookers who do that are crack whores. The others can't afford to endanger their livelihood by getting visible STD symptoms. Most of them won't even *kiss*, let alone have unprotected sex.

>>33525660
Anon, they're women who let themselves take it in every hole from dozens of strangers a week. The difference of mindset between that and a crack whore is minimal. These women don't give two fucks about themselves, if they did, they'd not make it their profession to become flesh lights. So don't expect them to have integrity to hold strong to their 'condom only' rule. Enough cash gets them to do anything

How and why does anybody even need to know you're a fucking virgin, there's no physical evidence of it. Quit being a retarded faggot and grow some balls

>>33525650
This
Women hate being reminded that we always have the option to just buy it

>>33525673
How many sex workers have you known personally?

>>33525713
Zero. Just as how I don't need to know heroin junkies to know that sharing a needle with them is a bad idea

>>33525711
>This
>Women hate being reminded that we always have the option to just buy it
I dont think you understood that anon correctly. What he’s saying is telling a woman you fucked a hooker in your past is about as sexually appealing as dipping your cock in pig shit and expecting her to get wet from the sight of it.

>>33525585 (OP)
everything is an ick to these modern women if you aren't some genetic freak. yeah bro im just going to pay a couple hundred bucks because an ick, stfu

>>33525729
Junkies haven't shared needles since the 1980s. You really need to update your stereotypes.

>>33525948
That's what women who've slept around look like to men. Does it really matter?

>>33525729
>Zero.
Yes, well, I've known quite a number, and it's painfully obvious that you're arguing from a position of blind prejudice rather than actual knowledge.

>>33525990
Blind prejudice my ass. I don’t need to know the motivations or the feelings of prostitutes to understand that she is a woman who takes a lot of dicks from strangers on the weekly. You don’t need to know a butcher to know he is a man who cuts a lot of meat. You don’t need to know a candlestick maker to know that he works with a lot of wax.

>Yes, well, I’ve known quite a number
Yeah no kidding. That’s why you are bothering to run defence for women who only pretend to like you if you pay them to pretend. You deserve better than that shit bro

>>33526020
>you deserve better than that shit bro
I'm a straight XX female, thanks. 15 years ago I used to do admin for the Sexual Freedom Coalition - UK equivalent of the NCSF - so I used to meet many sex workers outside of their work for various legal/activism reasons. And they are absolutely nothing like people you imagine them to be. Nothing AT ALL.

>>33526020

Escorts are like a business that makes quality product and charges for a piece. They do it for money, and they make money from returning customers.

Modern females are like businesses that force you to pay subscription, but fail to provide what you pay for - instead hide behind chatbots and terms to rip you off.

Yeah, I think these "women who only pretend" warrant some defence.

>>33525585 (OP)
>But it becomes very apparent im a virgin if convo gets longer and I see when they realize it and get the ick.
You don't know how to talk to women then. While I am not a virgin, I have a small amount of practical experience. But with my confidence, the way I walk, keep eye contact, dress stylishly, and speak about myself...people assume I get play. And I do get female interest, yes. But I'm not fucking anyone because I'm not game for the casual thing.

I'd say you need to learn to flirt and work on your charisma. If you carry yourself well, care about your appearance and project confidence, a woman won't have any reason to question you.

>>33525729
a lot of heroin addicts are actually relatively successful (in fact some of them work hard just to make enough money to keep up their habit), but most people think they are all losers because the only people you actually see shooting up heroin are the homeless, everyone else has the ability to do it in private

>>33526139
>15 years ago
I'm supposed to accept a middle aged woman is posting here? I doubt. But I'll believe you anyway fuck it

>Nothing like the people you imagine them to be. Nothing AT ALL.
I am not talking about who they are as people. I am talking about what they do. And what they do is they sell their bodies for $$$. That's exactly what they do. So when someone points out "They fuck dozens of men a week" why does that surprise you? That's what they do.

>>33526148
>Yeah, I think these "women who only pretend" warrant some defence.
See what happens when you try to talk with them or love them without money in your pocket.

>>33528199
Not the point of the analogy. Point is whether it's a homeless heroin addict, or a rich smack addict, doesn't matter. Point was sharing needles with them would be begging for disease. Same is true when one dicks down a prostitute who has had a dozen strange men inside her that same week.

>>33525686
People find ways to weasel it out of you somehow. Hell, my barber deduced it from some fucking inane off the cuff chit chat.

>>33525585 (OP)
>If you lie and say 2-3 they know
get better at lying then
it will help in many ways

anyway, 100 years ago it was common practice to bring young men to the whorehouse, some were even brought there by their own fathers.
the idea has some merit.
once you realize how sex is just a part of life and no big deal, you kinda experience less stress and act less desperate when trying to get your next woman (making success more likely)
go for it OP, but don't make it a habit. and never ever see the same whore more than once

I unironically assert I have fucked hookers before in the face of foids

>>33528944
>middle aged
Fuck off, I was interning when I was 18.

>>33528944
>So when someone points out "They fuck dozens of men a week" why does that surprise you? That's what they do.
Well, first, many don't. Some escorts make enough from just one date a week. One of the main reasons women go into that like of work is that they can make a healthy living working one day a week. But, much more importantly, you're now moving the goalposts. The discussion started because you - arguing from prejudice rather than any actual knowledge - claimed that most hookers are happy to fuck without condoms for extra money. That is simply not true. And it is objectively the case that you are much more likely to catch an STD from some girl you met on Tinder than you are from most hookers

Just learn to lie and acting.
Man, it is easy, it is doable.
Ive done it before.
Just lovebomb a whore and see as she kneels befor.eyou

>>33525585 (OP)
>I can talk to women fine. But it becomes very apparent im a virgin if convo gets longer
what? lol
Most women don't bring up past relationship months after dating and being established in a new relationship with someone - usually to shake things up and open up a few cans of worms and play a fun game of "who gets jealous first"

If you're talking about past relationships within minutes of a first date, then it's actually you who's the compulsive sperg truth-teller who is telling every women he meets how much of a virgin he is when they didn't even ask.

>>33530607
This. Hell, you don't even have to lie. Everyone is just going to assume you aren't a virgin given your age. Why go out of your way to tell them otherwise? Just "be a gentleman" and say you don't discuss those details about your past relationships.

>>33525989
>That's what women who've slept around look like to men.
Bingo, it's the same signal: low quality.
Though for men, using escorts may be less of an issue for average women if you're doing it when you're high-value enough. Still is a faux pas if too indiscreet for the women of said man's caliber, of course.

> her: how many relationships have you had?
> you: none, but I fucked a hooker!

>>33530595
Oh just one date a week. So only 52 strangers a year. That makes me feel a lot better. It make you feel better?

honestly this whole thread is making me nauseous. the idea of fucking a sex worker is so repulsive to me I would rather just be a virgin for the rest of my life

>>33525585 (OP)
Every woman is a hooker.

>>33531070
>Oh just one date a week. So only 52 strangers a year.
Your math is piss-poor Who says it has to be a different guy each time?

>>33525585 (OP)
How do you get hookers on the internet anyone as a regular dude? Craigslist is dead, as well as any other site like it for prostitution.

>>33530595
>you are much more likely to catch an STD from some girl you met on Tinder than you are from most hookers
>>33525624
>You are far, far more likely to catch an STD from some slut on Tinder who lets you and everyone else go in raw.
Maybe if you say it a third time, it'll actually be true - like candyman.

How about the "it's cheaper to buy sex from hookers than it is to go on dates" argument?

>>33525585 (OP)
Never.
>when you say 0 they lie and say thats sweet or ask why.
1. They're typically not lying
2. The "why" doesn't go away if you visit prostitutes, you retarded subhuman. You're removing an uncertain "why" with the unchangeable fact that you're the kind of guy to visit whores, and even worse, you did it out of insecurity.

>>33526139
>I used to do admin for the Sexual Freedom Coalition - UK equivalent of the NCSF
>I used to advocate in favor of whores because I'm just like them, except I do it for free
Not that guy, but you aren't helping your case.

>>33525585 (OP)
I am in same boat as you anon. 28m.
Think about this a lot.

You are right. Being a virgin past 25 is ICK and
girls may say they wont be with a guy who has seen escorts, and some might be genuine in it, but your pool of options is significantly greater because most girls wll rather date harvey weinstein and jeff epstein type of figures if they had no money or fame over a 25+ virgin.

This is just fact.
Uncomfortable maybe but its a fact and i have known about it for about 3 years now. Girls can tell if youre a virgin btw.

I am dumb as rocks and will wait till 30 and then monkmode and forget women altogether because i cant bring myself to take the hookerpill. I rather just die alone.
If you want marriage and kids, take the hooker pill asap imo.

>>33531585
not op but its fairly easy. theyre all on twitter.
check the fetish world. most girls there are doing "tours" which is essentially prostitution

im a footfag and debated seeing one for a footjob and i know they will likely fuck me for more but i can never bring myself to it.

>>33530622
Nah he's not a compulsive truth-teller, he just immediately gives such a massive ick (likely from something BESIDES being a virgin) that every woman can tell and they ask it to see him squirm.

>>33525585 (OP)
As early as possible, until you get laid you're at a massive disadvantage in all areas but especially interpersonal.

If I had a son I'd let him know he had an open invite to a hooker holiday as soon as legal.

>>33529036
>Hell, my barber deduced it from some fucking inane off the cuff chit chat.

I don't know how much of an absoluet and obvious sperg you need to be for that to happen. I've made it to Wizard at 34 and not once has anyone ever "weaseled it out of me" against my will.

>>33530607
>Just lovebomb a whore
This works? My problem always is and was that I have immense problems with being nice to women due to growing up with a family of exclusively BPD nutters whom you need to fight tooth and nail if you don't want to get eaten alive. Does being nice actually get you laid? Noet that I mean being actually nice, not "nice guy" faggy,.

>>33525585 (OP)
18
>>33525606
How about condoms?

>>33525650
>if you make it to the age of 18 without getting laid, you are NEVER going to have sex with anyone who isn't a hooker

load up on PreP and be a man rawdog these bitches, i done nutted inside 2 bitches already, tested myself and nothing came back. i leave a fat load inside their pussy

>>33525686
What other people think doesn't matter, virginity inherently being feminine *does* matter. The term comes from "Virgo", which is Latin for "young woman". If you didn't conquer a woman in puberty you're a mentally castrated "man", which is much worse than being a hooker consumer.

>>33539810
Forgot the "ftfy"

>>33525585 (OP)
It took it at 35 and was not a virgin; I was just fed up with dating, disheartened by diminishing returns and sexual frustration.

I'd say 30 is reasonable though, for virgins. You've stuck it out for long enough by then and are probably as developed as you're ever going to be.

>>33539810
False.

>>33539823
How many more fucking times do you need to be told this? The reason for this isn't because virginity is feminine, it's because, historically, male virginity was considered so completely irrelevant to anything that there was no point in even having a word for it. If the fact that the word "virginity" comes from "virgo" proves anything at all, it is simply proof that male virginity DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. Now stop spamming this bullshit.

>>33539969
>All this cope
If the bullshit you're saying were true no one would use "virgin" as an insult for men. Women are meant to be conquered. Men are meant to conquer. If a man doesn't conquer the opposite gender, he is a feminised mental castrato. The reason the term is used for men nowadays despite being feminine has nothing to do with the lack of a historical term for male virgins (in German there was "Junggeselle", for example*), but with women wanting revenge because they think virginity is a social construct that was pushed on them for centuries, so now they strike back by shaming unfortunate men.

*Nowadays it's "Jungfrau" (which means "young woman") because over time "Junggeselle" became the term used for bachelors. Just like in the Anglosphere, women in Germany succeeded in getting their revenge on men by turning a "social construct" (it's not, the hymen exists) latter "invented " on them.

>>33531472
No, you don't. Being a virgin man past puberty is mental castration, here's the explanation>>33540005

>>33531697
Fuck off Chad, not everyone gets free sex.

>>33540005
If you want to argue that male virginity matters, fine; but arguing it on the basis of etymology is utterly deranged. Historically there was no word for male virginity because historically male virginity didn't matter. That's the ONLY reason why the word has a feminine derivation.

>>33540037
>The explanation

It's a shit explanation that in true autistic fashion takes the word/insult at face value. People do not use "virgin" as an insult because someone is a virgin. I know that sounds like it should mean that, because that'd be common sense, logical, and efficient. Face value.

But people are almost never face value, especially what you call 'normies'. The reason why "virgin" is used as an insult is because the goal is to make the person, the target, feel inadequate, self-conscious, unmanly/unwomanly, the goal is to make them feel they have failed and are unwanted.

The reason the word "virgin" is chosen for this is because those who use it are immature. Their minds are still in high school. They still exist as if life were a popularity contest. They still think being the 'cool kid' was to be a man whore who banged everything with a hole. And so they just use the word "virgin" to say to someone "haha you are not the popular guy you suck".

That's all there is to it. Really gets under people's skin, attacks their ego. And women know that if they wanna hurt a man, they kick him in the balls. That would be his ego. So they'll use the word "virgin" on anyone they get angry at.

I've been called one many times by men and women online. Even from girls or guys who had less of a body count than I do which was funny to me. Not that I think body count adds or takes away value from the individual. I laugh because of how stupid it all is.

>>33540107
My point is that "virgin" ALSO being used for men solidifies the shame in the very form of the word.
>>33540245
>People do not use "virgin" as an insult because someone is a virgin.
Yes, they do. A man is meant to conquer women, to spread his seed. That's why I think buying hookers is preferable to being a male virgin.
>unwomanly
No one ever uses "virgin" as insult for a woman since virginity is feminine. We also live in a gynocracy meaning that women are praised for literally everything they do.
A virgin man is a loser incel.
A virgin woman is pure, innocent, sweet.
An ugly* man fucking a lot of hookers is a subhuman degenerate (*because attractive men aren't judged for being sex addicts, they are MEANT to be naturally).
A woman who fucks tons of guys is strong, independent, and attractive.
A man flees his country when it is invaded? He's a treatorous coward.
A woman flees her country when it is invaded? She's stunning and brave for having a vagina.
>The reason the word "virgin" is chosen for this is because those who use it are immature. Their minds are still in high school.
Life is one big high school.
>They still exist as if life were a popularity contest. >They still think being the 'cool kid' was to be a man whore who banged everything with a hole.
And they are correct in doing so. A broke, mean Chad producing illegitimate children in the double digits is biologically superior to a 30 year old kind virgin working a three figure job.

>>33540328
*six figure job
Meant "three figure" as in "xxxthousand", but whatever.

>>33540328
>Yes, they do. A man is meant to conquer women, to spread his seed
Do you mean that biologically or truthfully? Because we remember men of history for their conquering of battles, wars, empires, nations, etc. We do not remember Joe Public for getting his dick wet one time.

I think if a man conflates the two in his temporary idiocy, he will feel pressure to ‘conquer’ wet slimy fish pockets, vaginas, in order to feel like a king. King of nothing though.

>No one ever uses "virgin" as insult for a woman since virginity is feminine
Talk to any girl who got bullied at school by her female peers. Also virginity is neither feminine or masculine, you think that it is though because you are a man. And men typically perceive value in virgin women. You therefore associate it with women and femininity. But that doesn’t make virginity feminine at all. It just means you want to be the first person to take a bite out of the piece of pie. It’s an ego thing, a pride thing. Too little pride is bad, too much is also bad.

>Life is one big high school
It’s really not. Not to me anyway. Could be to (you) though. And if it is that way to you, so be it. I won’t say your perception is innately wrong. But you should consider if your perception is exhausting and cumbersome. Because I bet that it is. I don’t care about popularity at all. If a top tier celebrity were to drop dead tomorrow, i’d just say it’s Friday and go about my day. If I met (and I have met) celebrities in person, know what I see? Just a regular person with a prolific job. I dont see the glitter on them. They eat sleep and shit same as I do.

>A broke, mean Chad producing illegitimate children in the double digits is biologically superior.

Anon, 10 years ago we had a name for that lifestyle: A nigger. Because it doesn’t generate biological success. Fatherless children end up suffering and then cause suffering. Fatherless kids = daughter becomes a whore, son becomes a petty criminal.

>>33540448
Would you value a non virgin woman in a same way you value a virgin? They are trash these days in most cases.

>>33540480
>Would you value a non virgin woman in a same way you value a virgin? They are trash these days in most cases.

Long answer: I would not use virginity as the metric for valuing anyone at all, I use a different metric for valuing people so it would depend on that.

Short answer: Yes I would and already do value non virgin women the same as virgin ones.

I’ve dated and fucked two virgin girls before. Not a single man before me in their lives. Wow lucky me, am I humble bragging right now? No. because those two in particular were batshit. One was a pathological liar and histrionic bitch, the other was a straight up psychotic who eventually cheated on me over a dozen times.
Meanwhile the girls who were not virgin I had dated were perfectly normal, one of which I later married.

So the point there is: Virginity isn’t a virtue. Celibacy/Chastity is. Those imply virginity, but do not require virginity to be held. The finer point: Being a whore is a state of mind, not of virginity. And I’ve seen that with my own two eyes as I dated virgins who turned out to be massive psychotic whores later.

>>33540510
So you fucked and later married an already used woman and it didn’t bother you. Was she in a celibacy then? Was she being chaste? What made her worth the hassle?

>>33540528
Yeah, was in celibacy then if you wanna call it that. i.e, only has sex within committed relationships, doesnt do hookups or casual shit. Same as I do. We could call that chastity if we like: Not fucking strangers or people who you don’t actually love. What made her worth he hassle is she didn’t bring hassle to my life, she brought me peace. There was no hassle. Neither of us enjoy hassle or chase hassle and things just worked out.

>>33540539
That’s not celibacy. You could call it that way if she would refrain herself from having any sexual activities but clearly she did have them. So where is the value here?

>>33540579
You’re right, it’s not celibacy, I was using the word loosely on purpose. Let’s be clear on what celibacy actually means. It means to choose (big keyword, choose) to abstain from marriage and sex on purpose, a vow one makes in service to a grand ideal or ideology or creed, typically spiritual. That’s celibacy. A virgin can be one, a non-virgin can be one.

I used the word loosely because I am describing, or trying to describe, how I view sex. I see it only as an expression of love, that’s it. In the past for example, I would get a girlfriend. I’d develop feelings, then sex happens. Life happens, we break up, I am single again. What do I do? I stop caring about sex. I let it go, stay “celibate” and then life happens and I got a new long term relationship etc etc. Each time intending and aiming for marriage and hoping for the best.

>Where is the value here?
In the intention and motivation of the person.

Example: You meet two girls:
Girl #1 has a body count of 3.
Girl #2 has a body count of 3.

Who do you pick, if you had to? How would you know which is the whore minded one and which isn’t? Through context.

Girl 1: Only had 3 long term relationships with the intent to marry one day, and had sex to try and bond out of love. Her relationships spanning a few years each, and in between the break ups, never had casual sex or FWBs or one night stands.

Girl #2 has had no long term relationships. She fucked her first three men in the span of a single month just a year ago.

Who is the whore minded one? Girl 2.

This is how you can know who the succubus are from the actual women. The value is in the character of them, not just women but all of us. If you are blind to the motivations or character of those around you, you’ll always end up fucked into the dirt. And not in a good way

>>33525585 (OP)
I'm in my late 30s and a virgin but I don't think I will ever have sex with a hooker because I am scared of the diseases and I am scared of going to jail for it. I'd love to sit in bed and cuddle with a lady though, is there an actual legal thing for that?

>>33540328
>No one ever uses "virgin" as insult for a woman since virginity is feminine.
>A virgin woman is pure, innocent, sweet.

Not past a certain age, if a woman is still a virgin past college it means she's a future 300 lbs schizo cat lady or hecking autism chungus

>>33540718
I LOVE CHUNGUS

the thing is that fucking a hooker won't make you any more knowledgeable about sex. you don't have to take the hooker out to dinner and find common interests, you don't have to seduce the hooker and ask her to stay the night, you don't have to do foreplay with a hooker...the list goes on.
if you want to see a hooker, just go see a hooker. don't pretend that it'll actually improve your life in any way though.

>>33525585 (OP)
Hey.
We all have icks. When it comes to face to face relationships outside of your goddamn computer, women will overlook some in trade for others.
No woman looking for a genuine relationship is gonna overlook you for being a virgin if, by the time it comes up, you've already made a good impression.

You need to notice that this checklist bullshit is only done by people who dont talk to women snd cant get a date. Because it doesnt actually play out irl.

>>33540718
Women don't get bullied.

>>33525585 (OP)
I had my first sex with a black prostitute at 20 or something

I thought "Is this ... Is this what my female friends aren't giving me? Fuck..."

btw prostitution is not illegal in my country

>>33540448
>I think if a man conflates the two in his temporary idiocy, he will feel pressure to ‘conquer’ wet slimy fish pockets, vaginas, in order to feel like a king. King of
[...]life. Conquerors also fucked the women of the lands they subdued.
>Talk to any girl who got bullied at school by her female peers.
Not possible because women never get bullied. They are all just entitled and spoiled which is why they interpret their peers not complimenting them every two seconds as discrimination.
>And men typically perceive value in virgin women. >You therefore associate it with women and femininity.
I perceive it as feminine because it is. If it wasn't I wouldn't have lost it at 18 in a brothel.
>But that doesn’t make virginity feminine at all.
It absolutely does you fucking piece of shit. What "man" is unable to conquer even one woman in his life? Those people aren't men, they are sissies, and the fact that the term "virgin" is feminine only supports my point. Women also want it that way because they love feminizing men as "punsihment" because in their eyes all of them are contributing to the imaginary patriarchy they seethe about.
>Because it doesn’t generate biological success. >Fatherless children end up suffering
Boo fucking hoo, it's not like most frogs die before even growing legs.
>and then cause suffering. Fatherless kids = daughter becomes a whore, son becomes a petty criminal.
Irrelevant. He fucked, he reproduced, and he won at the game of life. Meanwhile, the Oofy-Doofy Betabuxx Deluxe who had better grades than him in school spent his short time on this Earth wageslaving only to get one wife with whom he had only one child.

>>33541724
Women don't owe you shit, incel. YOU owe them constant attention, validation, and servitude though.

>>33541751
???

women dont have a virgin sense thats a myth, you are probably a sperg and even other males can tell you are a virgin

>>33541796
>women dont have a virgin sense
they do

>>33541796
>Neurotypicals can't read subtle signs
Okay retard

>>33541493
Fucking a hooker liberates you from virginity which is the greatest shame a man can bear.

>>33541751
This dude doesn't know everyone deservers love...

>>33525585 (OP)
Why are you telling women the truth? Are you fucking retarded?

>>33541804
They don't, the chick I lost it to had no idea and came away with the idea that I was some kind of player.

>>33542390
That was very kind of her

>>33541743
Why would you want to conquer women if you think lowly of them? Conquerors only conquer that which has value. They don’t conquer wastelands or barren plains of dog shit. So why would you feel the glory in conquering women?

Also

>the fact that the term "virgin" is feminine only supports my point. Women also want it that way because they love feminizing men as "punsihment" because in their eyes all of them are contributing to the imaginary patriarchy they seethe about.

You do that yourself though. You just did it just a sentence before saying that, you apparently like to punish other men on their behalf

>What "man" is unable to conquer even one woman in his life? Those people aren't men, they are sissies

Why are you regurgitating the same rhetoric from the same people you claim to be victimised by?

>>33525606
wait a second, if you fuck 2 hookers it doubles the chances of stds?

>>33540048
I'm a virgin

>>33542733
Stop coping and hire a hooker already.

>>33530607
>lovebomb

Do this if you want your life to turn into a circus easiest way to drive people insane

>>33525624
if i have to wear a condom I don't want to fuck her.

>>33526020
>a woman who takes a lot of dicks from strangers on the weekly
So, like any young woman in the West?

>>33531671
Fuck off normie.

>>33539857
>False.
Nope, kys unpaidsexhaver

>>33525585 (OP)
22

>>33525585 (OP)
Protip, start with Chinese spas and get the happy ending, and 27 is the correct age to take the hooker pill.
It

>>33530607
Women do not like men who like them

>>33544321
>if i have to wear a condom I don't want to fuck her
Oh, well, then you'll catch an STD regardless of whether she is a hooker or not. Any woman who lets you in raw has let other men go in raw too - always remember that. Of young woman who have sex (non-hookers!) around one in eight has either Chlamydia or Gonorrhoea or both, and that number is increasing all the time.

My question is what changes after u got a hooker? Does it up ur self esteem by that much or is it just psyop. Im in the same boat 30 and virgin.
I know I got low self esteem but my problem is that im not settled in life. I cant bring anything of worth into a relationship.

OP Here i just visited an escort, it was a overall okay experience. Stop responding to my thread you fags, okay thanks

>>33545091
Read this>>33540005

>>33545232
Is it really conquering a woman if you have to pay for it? I don't recall Gengis Khan having to pay people to submit to him

Technically a hooker here.

Whenever you want, you can find a hooker. If you look around, most of us don't last long if we aren't pretty nice and patient (dudes try to fuck us around/neg/get lower rate/get free shit all the time, if you don't do that, we're pretty easygoing) and we have to like men all right in order to do the job.

Don't ever feel like either

a) you must have sex to make someone else happy or to prove yourself to be a man

b) you need to feel weird or bad or not "alpha" for fucking a hooker bc "alpha" men pay women to fuck them or date them all the time and just hide it from other men

C) if you decide to fuck a hooker, like you are "tainted" bc your first time wasn't with someone you love, that's pretty common, and a lot of men's first love doesn't work out and they get really fucked up for a long time by the breakup- I hear from men telling me those stories a lot. A lot of your friends are just falling in love with the first girl who is nice to them and has sex with them a few times and in 5 years they're gonna have their hearts broken. Or... I hope that won't happen as much now as it did in the past.

>>33535806
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Yeah, women like men who are chill and nice to them. Most of us are suckers for a guy who is trying just a little too hard to make us like them at first, as long as they relax a little over time.

I would also say don't lie. It's easier to find someone who wants the things you want than to lie, once you learn the knack of picking people up.

Also, do you live on your own?

A lot of the anxiety about dating a dude who's never had a gf is about not wanting to "train" him to take care of himself. A lot of women have a bf in their early 20s who goes straight from living at home to living with them and wants her to be his mom. If you work in that you live alone/have job/do normal stuff for yourself that might help a lot. She doesn't have to "train" you.

I mean, she might have to teach you how to fuck, but not like... how to be a person.

>>33541493
You can do those things, with a hooker. Men pay to hang out with us all the time, or pay to get high and talk about their problems before sex, or ask us to go places with them bc they don't wanna go alone, or ask us sex questions or whatever. It's not that weird. If you're paying the hooker she doesn't care except if you're trying to dox her or something.

>>33545327
Irrelevant. It tricks your brain into thinking that you'll reproduce and it liberates you from the shame of male virginity.

>>33525585 (OP)
>being a male virgin is a big ICK after 25

If you are worried, just don't tell them. What are you, stupid?

>>33545682
>It tricks your brain into thinking that you'll reproduce and it liberates you from the shame of male virginity.

It's just a trick though. Look I don't want to shame anyone here, neither the hooker or the client, but if the whole goal was to avoid shame of being a virgin then surely going to the hooker ain't the right move?

Because even if you do trick yourself, all you condition yourself into is the idea that people only like you if you pay them for it. That no one loves you as the individual, only what they can take from you. Doesn't seem healthy. Also if you're the same guy who thinks shaming men for their virginity was a feminised attack vector that women lord over men, then wouldn't paying women to lift the 'curse' from you (the same one they apparently cast on you with shame tactics) wouldn't you just be validating the idea that men who are virgins are shameful and should pay the woman to take that from them? I don't see the logic

>>33545091
>My question is what changes after u got a hooker?
Literally nothing.

>>33545102
>it was a overall okay experience.
Oh, good! Glad you had a good time.>>33545327
>I don't recall Gengis Khan having to pay people to submit to him

>>33545327
>I don't recall Gengis Khan having to pay people to submit to him
He paid his soldiers. You always have to pay someone.

>>33545102
>OP Here i just visited an escort, it was a overall okay experience.
Oh, good! Glad you had fun, OP. I'm betting you won't feel much different a week from now, though.

>being a male virgin is a big ICK after 25.

I'd argue you're supposed to lose it by 18. And if you lose it in the 19-21 range it's like the last helicopter out of Vietnam and you'll still give off some virgin vibes for life.

I mean, if you want to blow off steam you can see a hooker. I don't really think it improves the sexless vibe or gives you practice(since you don't do kissing/foreplay with them).

>>33545799
I lost mine when I just hit 16 as a young guy. Hooker-anon somewhere above ITT said it already, it wasn’t a good time and did fuck me up because I wanted to wait until marriage, and if I did wanna do it earlier I at least expected some fuckin’ love, man. My first ex was crazy as shit, demanded I fuck her or she’d dump me. There was no love in the act when we fucked and she was very aggressive with it, grabbing at my cock when I was just trying to make out and go slow. Of course later on she cheated a year or more later. I had foolishly expected to stick around and build towards something like marriage. Shit sucked. Never understood why people wanna lose it by a certain year or milestone. Though I predict such people are similar to my ex, they cared more about their broken self esteem and how they compared to society than the actual person they were with and rushed shit like life was a speedrun. Fuckin lame

>>33545709
If you are an Autist like me there isn't any woman out there who'll love you as an individual. Is being a Betabuxx who preserved his shameful virginity until a loveless marriage without attraction really superior to a guy who immediately goes to a brothel the moment he finishes puberty an incel? No, absolutely not.
>wouldn't you just be validating the idea that men who are virgins are shameful and should pay the woman to take that from them? I don't see the logic
Why not? I agree with women on that point, even if they have a different reason for hating virgin men. They see it as an ick because they have a revenge complex against Sub-Chadlite men, in contrast I advise them to see a hooker because virginity is feminine. The WORD being used for men is the revenge enacted by them, not the belief that male virginity is shameful.

>>33541846
fucking a woman is not like fucking a hooker. therefore losing your virginity is not like fucking a hooker. you can kid yourself, but if op actually goes and pays to fuck some hooker for 10 minutes, nothing changes about his life and he might just feel like shit
again, if he wants to fuck a hooker he can fuck a hooker, but if he wants to have sex and fucks a hooker, he's not gonna have a good time
>>33545524
a hooker is a yes woman by default, because she wants your money.
she doesn't need your company, but for a price she'll tolerate it all.
a hooker is someone you pay to laugh at your jokes, you pay to sit next to you at the bar, you pay to get in a bed with you at night.
and guess what? she gives literally 0 fucks about you. she won't tell you to fuck off when your joke fucking sucked, she won't tell you to fuck off if you fuck like shit, she doesn't give a fuck because she wants your money.
you don't get any actual practice, you just get to play pretend.

>>33539814
I done nutted in them breeches of 60 beetches and got me an extra creamy dunkin donut with frappucino maccucino latte and a cherry on top

>>33546059
>If you are an Autist like me there isn't any woman out there who'll love you as an individual.
Nah, I’m not an autist. You don’t gotta explain it tho, I know how it goes. You intended the best and truly wanted connection back in the day? And it either made people feel weirded out, or think you are too good to be true or a liar? And the reality was you would have actually delivered on your efforts to love and be loved bad someone just given you a chance? Life felt like this fucked up place where you’d speak true, and you’d only be disbelieved or punished or ignored for the crime of being yourself? Cuz if so I believe you, 100%.

>Is being a Betabuxx who preserved his shameful virginity until a loveless marriage without attraction really superior to a guy who immediately goes to a brothel the moment he finishes puberty an incel?
I don’t look at it as superior or inferior. I see it as being fulfilled Vs unfulfilled. About feeling whole or unwhole. I think people can be either in both scenarios (marriage vs. visiting the hooker). But I do genuinely believe there’s a higher likelihood of remaining unwhole with the hooker.

And I also don’t think being or feeling unwhole qualifies as inferiority, same as I dont think being or feeling whole qualifies as superiority. I do think those who feel unwhole or got dealt shitty hands at life have a tendency to feel inferior, or, try to chase superiority to fight off the feeling. Cuz I think such people internalised a lot of unnecessary and undeserved bullshit that others beat their mind with.

>Why not?
Well cuz if I were in your shoes, and I identified a group of people as having a means to mentally kneecap me through insult or shame, like women for example, then the last thing I’d wanna do is be in bed with one or give them my time or my hard earned money.

>>33525585 (OP)
It's kind of over, you can't even in America or you're risking losing your career. They expect us to be incels forever

I just want to worship young white woman feet but they refuse to do anything with white men :(

>>33525585 (OP)
OP I have an active sex life with my wife and I still go see prostitutes 1-2 times a month. Just fuck hookers man who gives a shit stop overanalyzing this shit.

>>33529075
>>33529075
why never see the same whore more than once?

>>33547087
because if she knows you're a regular customer you become a mark. she can start manipulating you to spend more money on her. some of these girls are VERY good at this and can trap guys who aren't the desperate/gullible/simp type. it's better to avoid this situation and just one and done them.

>>33547010
based. have you ever brought an STD home? that is what keeps me from seeing hookers. My wife would immediately know it is from someone else since I never had STDs before. And also the fact, most are bogged and have too many customers per day to really enjoy the sex without faking it. do you know how to find a part time prostitute?

>>33547575
I haven't brought home an STD. Honestly if you're using protection and common sense the risk is small. I have gotten some bare blowjobs and deepthroats and still came back clean. Although most places do not test for herpes since it's very hard to test for without having an active outbreak. Most people carry it without knowing since it's asymptomatic. If you fuck hookers long enough you will eventually get it. The chances of your wife finding out she has it is small because most people tend to misdiagnose it as pimpes, acne, ingrown hair etc. Although she probably won't show any symptoms.

Idk man there's nothing like fucking a fat ass latina or an asian slut that sucks and fucks like a pornstar a few times a month. just go for it. live your life man we only get one.

>>33525585 (OP)
No matter what you'd be lying about your past, but hookers cost money. Hookers will also not inform you on how to get actual sex, or provide anything constructive beyond fleeting distraction.
The real solution is sex-therapists. Unfortunately most western societies aren't ready for this. Both the puritans on the right and the man-haters on the left want you to suffer eternally.

>>33546129
>you don't get any actual practice, you just get to play pretend
it is practice. its practicing to prepare for the kind of love life where the woman would be with you only because you make fat dollar. if your jokes suck or you fuck like shit, what else could you do anyway. at least there's still some avenue to play

I'm 36 about to be 37 and have had no relationships with anybody, I've never even tried either or even understand when someone is flirting or trying to woo you. It's not a bad life, you don't need to have sex to be a valided existence

>>33550593
Cope, see>>33540005

>>33531058
Fuck off Chad

>>33542441
>Why would you want to conquer women if you think lowly of them?
So that I'm not a virgin.

>>33548052
It's not about sex, retard. It's about not being a virgin.

>>33551199
>So that I'm not a virgin
So it's about conquering what you think is a problem, I get it.

>>33551206
>It's not about sex, retard. It's about not being a virgin
Nta, but if it's not about the sex then why care about being a virgin? If it's a matter of getting shit from people for being a virgin why not just stay away from/discard the retards giving you shit for being a virgin?
Also when you lose your virginity to a virgin does it solve shit long term? Did you feel happy and confident and full of life after the fact or did things go back to feeling shit?

>>33551355
Losing virginity to a prostitute*

>>33551355
>Nta, but if it's not about the sex then why care about being a virgin?
Read>>33540005

>>33551541
yeah I read it and it's just a long post that says "I don't want to be judged or shamed for being a virgin" so im asking why not just stay away from assholes instead? And I also ask did losing virginity to a prostitute make you overall happier?

>>33525585 (OP)
That's why you don't tell anyone you're a virgin. Women do it all the time when the discussion of body count comes up. So long as you're not a sperg it should be easy enough to lie about it. Chances are they're getting the "ick" (this is a really gay word by the way) from other things, like your social skills but who knows, they have "icks" for everything now and if they get one with you then you either need to fix the problem or move on to the next chick.

>>33527234
>people assume I get play
People assume you're a dumb nigger, even your post reeks of it.

>>33552218
well what the fuck do i do because I've had sex but only casual sex and I've seen escorts? Wtf am I suppsoed to say? Ifeel liek a virgin

>>33531479
This is somewhat true. Its no different to fuck a hooker vs a whore. Though a whore will cost less money, dinner and entertainment doesn't cost that much.

But a whore can ruin your life faster than a hooker.

>>33531854
>Girls can tell if youre a virgin btw

how can they tell? Certainly guys can't and sometimes have said about me that I probably get laid a lot, especially because I talk to a lot of women.

I simply cannot bring myself to fuck non-white women or a vapid whore so I rather stay single and wait for someone who is ethnically like me.

>>33551561
>it's just a long post that says "I don't want to be judged or shamed for being a virgin"
That is absolutely not what it's about, retard.
>why not just stay away from assholes instead?
Doesn't change the fact that virginity is feminine.

>>33552366
You are a coping Nosexsissy (that's what a male virgin is). You are not a man.

>>33546195
>Well cuz if I were in your shoes, and I identified a group of people as having a means to mentally kneecap me through insult or shame, like women for example, then the last thing I’d wanna do is be in bed with one or give them my time or my hard earned money.
What else should I have done to get rid of my virginity then? Fuck a man? Spend years as a Nosexsissy until I finally have enough money to betabuxx? Even if it wasn't for Gynocracy male virginity would still be feminine, so I'd still hire a hooker in such a scenario.

>>33548052
I hate OP and want him to suffer because he's a degenerate shitstain, not because he was born a man.

>>33552366
they just can tell. like how we can tell if theyre a whore or not

>>33553234
>like how we can tell if theyre a whore or not
not sure I've ever met a girl and thought "this one is not a whore"

>>33525585 (OP)
At the age of 80, since you have nothing to lose at that age.

>>33553017
Fuck off sexhaving Normie

>>33546129
Having sex is NOT THE POINT, retard. It's losing your virginity.

What a confusing thread. I can't tell whose trolling, whose brainwashed and whose just plain giving bad advice
>>33551162
The real cope is buying into such ridiculous nonsense that you treat it as factual

>>33553680
It *is* true, though. If you disagree you are a retarded Normalnigger who probably also thinks men should preserve their virginsissyty because it's "sacred" or whatever. Go back to watching ThinkBeforeYouSleep videos you retarded tourist.

>>33525977
retard nigger have you looked at san francisco or LA recently?

>>33553622
I'm a virgin

>>33530557
30 is middle aged, hag

>>33553851
Welcome to the club. I myself am a reformed virgin.

>>33540328
why are you so insecure? just live life bro

>>33553450
bro thinks 20 yo have something to lose

>>33525585 (OP)
Either way you're paying for sex, just go for it.

>>33525585 (OP)
>All my research online and street interviewing people in 5 different states have revealed to me that being a male virgin is a big ICK after 25.
They get the "ick" because it means no girls have ever liked you, not so much because of the sex act itself. Getting a hooker won't change that.
>They will even act supportive when they ask "how many relationships you had" and when you say 0 they lie and say thats sweet or ask why.
Again, a hooker won't change that. Your relationship count will still be at 0, and if you say "2 or 3" you're still lying and they'll still know.
I'm not saying you shouldn't just get a hooker at this point, if anything I kind of recommend it just so you can get that monkey off your back, at least see what it feels like and learn to relax a bit more around women.
But it won't work for the reasons you're thinking/hoping it will.