Thread 33616123

To any male anons who have done Therapy, is it worth it? Did you feel any better after talking to a therapist for a while or is it really a meme that only women and fags get mileage out of? I've been considering talking to a professional about my personal problems but I don't want to pay that much money for a normie to know my secrets.

Although if all the people here who kept posting suicidal intended posts here, went to therapy, this website would be a calmer.

>>33616209
Brother I'd hope so but lots of guys here are the self-destructive type

>want to pay that much
psychological/psychiatric help/therapy is almost free in europe. you dont have to pay that much yourself.
talking to a psychologist is rather advisable. (they know how to talk to people with problems and they know how to listen to you)
still, it is roulette if you two are compatible AND if he is an honest person that really wants to help you and not clocking hrs.

psychiatrists are the ones who write drugs down for you(stay away from psychiatrists)
>normie
meh. if they are deep into the psychology rabbit hole i wouldnt call them normies anymore.
>secrets
meh. if they have enough xp on their character your ramblings wont be new or secrets. also you can vaguepost in your sessions (thats what i did and it still helped me)

>>33616517
Did you find the juice worth the squeeze or was therapy more or less as useful as just asking for help on this board?

IME counselors and therapists seem to underestimate the severity of the depression and anxiety people like us experience. From what I can gather therapy is really just for the normie who is going through like a divorce or the loss of a family member, they aren’t well equipped to deal with “every day since I turned 8 has been complete agony and I don’t know why all social situations trigger my fight or flight instincts and the fear of everybody and the loneliness is wearing me down finally”

I would say ymmv, but I actually can’t. I had to do the research and develop the healthy coping mechanisms while digging for the root cause of my personal version of The Anxiety before I could finally start tackling the bad reasoning behind to the way I was feeling and all the nonsense thoughts

>>33616123 (OP)
ive gone to therapy and got nothing out of it. they straight up reinforced my bad habits of avoiding my problems by any means necessary

>>33616123 (OP)
I go to a therapist. Don't assume they are geniuses, they aren't.
Find one that you get along well with. It's very important to have at least 1 person in your life you can actually talk about bad things with, and even good things, and that can give you good perspective on your problems.

Yes, this is kind of like paying someone to be your friend. But that is a rational thing to do if you are insane and
>A) Cannot make friends
>B) Or B, you have problems you can't tell your friends

>>33617631
>every day since I turned 8 has been complete agony
I know that feel bro

>>33616517
>psychological/psychiatric help/therapy is almost free in europe
costs a bajillion europesos in NL, quickly drains your copay limit, and to work around that in typical dutch jew fashion, they put in bullshit like "depression? ok you get like 5 sessions and on the last one we'll twist questions to write in the report that you're fixed glhfgg"

>>33617631
This is my instinct. I've been dealing with my own shit since I was a kid, I feel like unleashing it on a stranger is more likely to do harm than good.
The annoying thing is I do think I'd benefit a lot from just talking to a human about my shit, no fancy education required, but the kind of human who's willing to hear my shit and promises not to be a dick about it or blab about it charges about $250 an hour because they come loaded with a PhD's worth of unnecessary normie bloatware by default.

>>33616123 (OP)
You won't find people that are positive about therapy here, the ones that got better from it have left this site

>>33616123 (OP)
>for a normie to know my secrets.
Don't bother. You have already decided to fight any chance of therapy succeeding.

The premise of therapy is this: Something is wrong. You can't deal with it on your own. You need help in finding out what's wrong and how to deal with it. That very probably involves facing some things about youself it will be unpleasant to face, and then getting through them

If you start with "I'm not going to tell him" you are guaranteeing failure.

>>33617001
>>33618384
well, depending on how you handle yourself;
i for example got a complete health checkup and then psychological help/therapy.
the physiological checkup was rather important, at least for me.
you tell them your symptomps and according to that you get procedures (i said i have backpains = i got xray and yes indeed my back is fucked , who wouldve known? for example)
so that atleast you yourself could proceeed according to mens sana corporea sana or someshit

afterwards therapy started.
>useful
well, surely more than /here/, because you actually have an human bean sitting infront of you, focusing their attention/concentration on you and your problems. they can make you feel comfortable and a lil guarded for the time. "some human warmth"
while this place is understanding and feeling anons, it is still anonymously and the human component is missing.
you might be talking to a bot, as they say. maybe im a bot and you wont ever know lel

also, i would never tell a psychiatrist the full truth.
always paraphrase or use parallel casing, and stay vague but precise enough so they can help.
especially if you are in the usa (i would never meet a psychiatrist in the usa out of my own volition) your system is rly no bueno

>>33616123 (OP)
No, it is not worth it.
I quit therapy when in every session I went to I was able to answer my own questions in my head the second I asked them.
Therapists essentially repeat platitudes, and prescribe you mind altering drugs, they don't actually solve problems.
Just look at the mental health rate skyrocketing around the world, and see that therapy does nothing to alter the underlying cause of why the world is so absolutely fucked up.
If it really worked, they would teach you to do this shit on your own, but they don't because it's a business, and they only care about making money.
Read some psychology, meditate, sit with your emotions and try to work it out yourself.
>Karen Horney, Our Inner Conflicts, Self Analysis
>R.D. Laing the Politics of Experience
Nobody gets better from therapy, they get better by improving things themselves outside of therapy, it's always a false attribution because humans don't like to take accountability for their own lives, so they delegate their existential responsibilities to 3rd parties because they're too fucking weak to figure it out on their own, so that even when they do manage something they can never take credit for it.

>>33616123 (OP)
not really. that's not how men deal with their problems. men want to fix things. talking about things doesn't do shit. you'll end up spending money and still have the same problems.

there IS value in openly ruminating and having someone to bounce back thought processes and help you think things through, but that advantage is more limited than people think

consider that counseling and therapy is mostly for women who can get attention and pay to have a captive audience

also consider that while there are many decent female therapists, i'm willing to bet that there are a lot of toxic female therapists who approach men as if they're a problem just for being a man in the first place. they will not relate or understand our testosterone, they may not understand that we need to have sex and ejaculate as a bodily function just to be healthy

i had some childhood trauma, and the only person i could have told was a woman i fell in love with. that is the only bond that could have fulfilled the reason i was so vulnerable around her.
HOWEVER, women hate men who are emotional or vulnerable, so this backfired so i had to tell a friend and a therapist about something i blocked out for 30 years and it meant nothing

>>33616123 (OP)
Therapy is great but unless real world action happens then it's pointless. Same with if there's circumstances that will not change. No matter how much talking about it happens nothing will change how you feel

>>33616123 (OP)
>is it worth it
dont know, i dont pay for it
>does it work
kinda
its not a drill sargent whos going to whip you into shape
but if your thoughts are turning against you - it helps to bounce them off someone who is trained to not make them worse

>>33616123 (OP)
Sometimes you can get free therapy if you ask your doctor to refer you. If you have a problem that isn't shifting- therapy is essential. Even 1 session can make a huge difference.

>>33616123 (OP)
Never go to therapy, if you are really interested in the subject, look for a psychiatrist

>>33616123 (OP)
Finding a therapist you truly connect with can be tricky, since their background and approach make a big difference.

Therapy has helped me more than I expected. I always knew the roots of my struggles—self-confidence, perfectionism, self-loathing—but I put it off, thinking that understanding them was enough to fix them on my own.

Working with a therapist gave me new perspectives and practical tools to challenge limiting beliefs and unhelpful thoughts.

It’s still mentally draining to be me sometimes, but I’ve seen real improvement in how I process and respond to life.

I had a mental breakdown back in February and went to a therapist. I messaged like, 20+ of them in my area. 3 only ever contacted me back in a professional time frame and 1, my last choice and the cheapest was the only one that seems semi professional. It wasn't till a good 4-5 weeks later did I start to hear back from the others I messaged so like, almost 2 months minimum from most of the therapists I messaged that got back to me.
I went for about 5 months and I quit because I couldn't afford it. I honestly felt like it made things worse for me and just continued to enforce all the issues I had. All her advice was pretty much telling me to gaslight myself in to enjoying things and giving me hyper contradictory and shallow advice and direction that never lead anywhere or where wrong when I put it in to practice. In the end it made me realize that your problem has to want to be fixed in order to be fixed, and if they don't want to then there's nothing you can do.
My lone friend said that 5 months isn't enough for a life of truama, but I'm 35 having to restart my life so I think 5 months going when the average is 3 weeks is enough to realize that having a life time of actual abuse and zero support from the outside is not going to be fixed ever.