Thread 33650383

I honestly don't have that much time to work out. I can manage to run twice a week and go to the gym twice a week. The problem is that I don't know if the body I get from so little exercise will be enough to be attractive to girls.
I know to get jacked you need to hit the gym 4-5x a week and to get good cardio run a minimum of 3x but that is just unrealistic.
What should I do?

you don't "need" a jacked/whatever body to get girls.
some men however, greatly benefit from the confidence/self-esteem boosts that come with it, which will result in success.
I did all this and it helped, but focusing earlier on my people skills and social life would have been an easier route.

>>33650411
This

Of course if you are noticeably ripped and lean then of course girls love it, but most guys are nothing like that even after years in the gym. The main thing is confidence and social life / social skills.

>>33650383 (OP)
Being jacked is nice but it's not necessary. Just maintain a healthy weight and work towards decent strength and muscle definition and you'll be plenty attractive to most women.

>>33650383 (OP)

Top 10% among active players is the threshold. Below that it doesn't make you special. True for almost all characteristics.

>>33650383 (OP)
You dont need it anyways, women care more about confidence than a nice six pack

>>33650383 (OP)
1. Face (40%)
2. Height (30%)
3. Hair (20%)
4. Body (10%)

>>33650514
What does a top 10% physique look like?

>>33650383 (OP)
2x/lifting 2x/cardio is definitely enough to put you well above most men, so do it.
Girls like it even though they don't admit it too often.
But remember it's not enough. Women want a lot more than that these days.

You can absolutely see improvement from this, but eating a reasonable amount of nutrient dense foods will be a bigger help. Running is great for cardio health, discipline, and getting some sun, but it doesn't really burn that many calories. Weightlifting is the same, you'll burn some but you'll also want to eat more to compensate. I recommend as much running and weights as you can fit into your life, and at least equal or greater effort in high protein, minimally processed foods in moderate quantities.

Short version, you can't run or lift enough to compensate for the average American diet.

As others said, this will make you look and feel better but it's not the only thing you need to do to boost attraction.

>>33650383 (OP)
Height Hairline and Face all matter more than fitness.

>>33650967
Excess fat creates a fat face, fat makes men look shorter than they actually are, and the factors involving obesity and fat (i.e. shitty diet) directly affect hair quality and follicle strength. Fitness matters for all aspects of life.

>>33650383 (OP)
You mostly just need to lose fat for the confidence- and facegains

>>33650411
That's bullshit, confidence and being nice while good looking makes you attractive. The same behaviour without looks makes you an annoying clown.
People judge you beforehand

>>33650383 (OP)
eh a somewhat decent body but nothing crazy. I have 17 inch biceps which is big but I also have like 22% bodyfat so I don't look super ripped but I am obviously in shape. This body type seems fine for women to be attracted to. Once you get into the 12% bodyfat range you mostly just attract men

>>33650557

I don't know, probably around 12-15% body fat, able to do 10 pull ups and bench press your body weight for 8. The top 10% metric is just something I've always noticed. 6'1" is top 10% for height, 160k/year in the USA is top 10% for income. Too much lower than that and you're not exceptional enough for a single trait to be the X factor that makes the difference. I've seen it apply to other things, the couple girls that would hang out at pokemon card tournaments would gravitate toward to top couple players and the rest of the guys ended up virgin nerds. (Was a long time ago, maybe demographics have improved)

No trait really matters until you're exceptional, and if you are exceptional you can be successful with most any X-factor trait. If you aren't exceptional you're going to have to socialize with them and do some platonic bonding first.

Don’t overthink it—just don’t look weird, dress decent, and carry yourself with confidence.

For me, I’ve gotten more muscular because I started hitting the gym more.

I basically swapped out my constant food cravings with focusing on working out and taking care of my body instead.

>>33650383 (OP)
I'll be honest with you, I never understood what made me successful or not at dating. Most times it feels like it's pure chance. I have this little script I've always followed with women I'm interested, which frankly, it's kinda autistic. I take care with the number of texts I send, words I use, it's this gradual process into easing her into my personality, as well as discovering hers and getting to know someone well. It led to 4 long term relationships and some 2 - 3 hookups per year when single, so it works.
I've had women completely freak out by truly innocent things, you know?
For example, I'll usually say something like "do you know how much a polar bear weights?" (enough to break the ice), one time I said this to a woman, she fully freaked out, like, accused me of harassment, lovebombing her, of course I just cut all contact, but she kept trying to get me to talk to her again. To this day I'll think about it like "fuck, of course I had to have done something, but what?" but whenever I talk to people who witnessed it, yeah, I didn't do shit.
So, yeah, I have no idea what causes success and failure. I've sent the same icebreaker to women that loved it and straight up asked me over, and to women that hated it like I had just spat on her.
I think anyone selling you a formula or a trick to get women just talks to the highest amount possible and gets a 10% success rate (out of 1000s so it looks like he's the bomb, but you're not texting 1000s, are you?

>>33650411
>>33650417
yeah you definitely don't need it, but it helps get noticed a lot. I remember hopping on Bumble/Hinge when I was normal looking, barely any action. Well 3 years of working out and dieting later I hopped back on, and I have more matches in a week than I had my entire year of using online dating before.

My photos are pretty gym-broey muscle flex pics so I'm already turning off a lot of women who think I'm a dickbag, and I'm still getting a decent number of matches. Mostly women who just want to fuck, but whatever.

It definitely helps in person too. I like going to yoga and pilates and I constantly catch the women there staring at me and sometimes they smile at me too but I'm too pussy to start a conversation. I catch both my cute female coworkers staring at me too

of course none of this will help if you're autistic

>>33650383 (OP)
my guy, I was skinny fat and slaying, I just recently started working out and there is literally no difference in how much sex I have.

I know gymcels solution to everything is bulking but it's mostly bullshit

>>33653875
Right gets the girls

>>33651583
>I have this little script I've always followed with women I'm interested, which frankly, it's kinda autistic.
i need an outline of this process
please give me all ur wisdom
ive been looking for something like this for ages but all the normal people i ask are too normal to have an answer and look at me like im asking for the dennis system when i literally dont know what you're supposed to do

>>33650536
definitely not true because i have the first three on lock and being 300 lbs still kills it. i definitely don't get 90% of what fit equivalent me would get

>>33654653
It's about the implication...

honestly if you're just ugly in the face there's pretty much nothing you can do to ever change that

>>33653875
>there is literally no difference in how much sex I have.
This is because you're attractive, facially speaking. Did you seriously think that it was because you had "good game" or whatever?