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Anonymous No.33788410 [Report] >>33788435 >>33788988 >>33789002 >>33789023 >>33789611 >>33789632 >>33789703 >>33789721 >>33789779 >>33791774 >>33794910 >>33795615
On average, how long does it take for someone to get talented at something?
I'm planning on being a writer as some kind of gambit to make it big like JK Rowling did.
Might have to learn to draw to make the story easier to follow when it comes to imagination as well.
Anonymous No.33788435 [Report]
>>33788410 (OP)
If every time you do something you get a little better at it, then you have some talent.
Anonymous No.33788988 [Report] >>33789197
>>33788410 (OP)
studies have shown that it takes approx 10,000 hrs to get good at something.
Anonymous No.33789002 [Report] >>33789197 >>33791774
>>33788410 (OP)
6 months to establish a foundational knowledge
1 to 1 and a half, 2 max years of nonstop dedication to a craft is enough to yield some proficiency
LVL1SL1M No.33789023 [Report] >>33789197 >>33789227 >>33789482
>>33788410 (OP)
20 hours for basic beginner level knowledge. This is QUALITY practice not la-la-la practice. In this state, you can do it at most for 15 mins.

Physically, is different. If you were learning guitar, you would need to know how quickly callouses form and build up the musculature. Luckily, this can just accomplished by getting in reps without injury.

The 10,000 hour rule is probably geared towards mastery, but that many hours for performers is WAY too high. Most people are good at gigs once they’ve hit about ten of them under their belt.
Anonymous No.33789197 [Report] >>33790075
>>33788988
>>33789023
Source on that 10k hours please?
>>33789002
Thank you.
Anonymous No.33789227 [Report]
>>33789023
dunning-kruger take
Anonymous No.33789482 [Report] >>33789632 >>33790075
>>33789023
>The 10,000 hour rule is probably geared towards mastery
Alright if that's the case then how many hours does one actually need to get decently talented at something to be serviceable?
Anonymous No.33789611 [Report]
>>33788410 (OP)
Isn't talent something you're born with?
Anonymous No.33789632 [Report] >>33789684 >>33794937
>>33788410 (OP)
>>33789482
Dude, it's pointless. You've been told here a few days ago. Your question doesn't make sense since the definition of talent means: natural aptitude or skill. You can't "learn" a natural aptitude/skill. It's something you're born with and have to spend decades fine-tuning to turn it into a marketable asset.

The fact you're pursuing both writing and drawing shows how clueless you are. Just one of those requires a lifetime to be decent at. Even if you were born with a talent in writing, there is absolutely no way you could achieve a decent level at drawing.

It's like a 30 something NEET wakes up one day and says: "Ok, I want to win both a Palme d'Or and Oscar for Best Actor". This is absurd. Even if you spent your 30 years not being a NEET but actually trying to win just ONE of those awards, your chances would still be lower than winning the lottery.

The world is filled with talented people who have spent their life trying to succeed, but they didn't make it because the competition is just that big. As someone with no talent, and who didn't spend 30 years practicing those skills every day, your chances are not only low... they are virtually INEXISTANT.

Stop thinking that you'll suddenly become a star. It's wishful magical thinking. It's just your brain tricking you to live by making you believe your autism, mental ailments, and 30+ years of rotting alone don't mean much and that you'll suddenly become famous because of some hidden talent.

It. Will. Never. Happen.
Anonymous No.33789684 [Report] >>33789764
>>33789632
>You've been told here a few days ago
Can I get an archive link? Sorry that this thread seemed to have pissed you off.

To tell the truth I just want to try to be able to say that I tried. But preparation is necessary for this undertaking.
Anonymous No.33789703 [Report] >>33789710
>>33788410 (OP)
I was actually talking to an author about this yesterday OP, lucky you

He said to start by writing for 2 hours every single day.
Anonymous No.33789710 [Report] >>33789730
>>33789703
>I was actually talking to an author about this yesterday OP, lucky you
Thanks!
>He said to start by writing for 2 hours every single day.
It can be about anything? Right now I'm just in the worldbuilding phase.
Anonymous No.33789721 [Report] >>33789738
>>33788410 (OP)
In my experience, it takes 10 years of high quality, focused practice. At 14 years you are basically superhuman.
But once you have done it with one thing, then the learning curve for secondary hobbies will be shortened.
Anonymous No.33789730 [Report] >>33789738
>>33789710
Yes, he said anything was good for that. He stressed that it was like exercising a muscle, you have to be disciplined and youll get better over time. Simply writing is the training.
Anonymous No.33789738 [Report]
>>33789730
Alright thank you!
>>33789721
Thank you as well!
Anonymous No.33789764 [Report] >>33789778
>>33789684
Why would I have an archive link of some random post? You know very well what you posted and you know very well what some anon told you on this very board. I am telling you the same thing he told you, because your goal will obviously 100% never concretize. Sure, it will give you a reason to wake up every morning but it's going to be nothing more than a waste of time.

I am not angry, but only trying to help you...

>A delusion is a fixed false belief based on an inaccurate interpretation of an external reality despite evidence to the contrary. The belief is not congruent with one’s culture or subculture, and almost everyone else knows it to be false.[1]
>Hypersensitive persons and ego defense mechanisms like reaction formation, projection, and denial are some psychodynamic theories for delusional disorder. Social isolation, envy, distrust, suspicion, and low self-esteem are some of the factors which when becoming intolerable leads to a person seeking an explanation and thus forming a delusion as a solution.[2]
>Some of the most frequently encountered types of delusions are:
>Grandiose - A conviction of great talent, discovery, inflated self-worth, power, knowledge, or relationship with someone famous or deity.
Anonymous No.33789778 [Report]
>>33789764
>Why would I have an archive link of some random post?
Good point.
>You know very well what you posted and you know very well what some anon told you on this very board.
Anon you have to believe me. I am not that guy. I only asked for the archive link in hopes of getting some helpful information.

>I am not angry, but only trying to help you...
Sorry that I made that assumption. I appreciate you wanting to help me. I appreciate your honesty too. I really do. It is why I prefer this place over leddit.
I'll talk with my therapist about this and see what I get out of that.
Anonymous No.33789779 [Report]
>>33788410 (OP)
gitting gud at something is a matter of JUST DOING IT and not even thinking of the what ifs or this pointless question or the "consequences" like fear of failure or waste.

If you have to ask a question like "how long til I git gud" then NGMI. have some willpower and just do it and keep just DOING IT. If you need anons hyping you to do something there's a problem anon

source me: taught myself spanish to fluency, musical instruments, electrical and more. stop being a normie
LVL1SL1ME No.33790075 [Report] >>33791530 >>33791729 >>33792780
>>33789197
>>33789482
The 10,000 rule comes from ((Malcolm Gladwell’s)) book “Outliers”. He may have based this number off someone else, but his example is The Beatles and their Hamburg days being the catalyst for their mastery - which is ridiculous because he ignores the massive team around them to produce their work. Not to mention there’s a ton of bum notes in their early work. They are nowhere near virtuosity.

>How do I know this?
I am a former touring musician and I busked from 18 - 35, doing four hour sets in 16 countries. My friends are all world touring musicians and have played at Carnegie Hall/Bard College/Lincoln Center, recording sessions with SNL personnel, and more. I can keep up with them all in jam sessions and I can assure you 10,000 hours is a ridiculous number. This is after years of practicing and playing in bands, and still I don’t think I’m even halfway to 10,000.

Similarly, I have a career as a writer and have written thousands of pieces for celebrities, businesses, Fortune 100 (including #1, Walmart), and 11 ebooks—all pre-AI. STILL NOT 10,000 hours, even though I had a MySpace blog at 450,000 words.

Last, I have a joke premise that I always wanted to fashion into some standup or something. Anyways, the idea is that I’ve probably spent 10,000 hours shitting by now and I still have not attained mastery over releasing it bowels. Hell, I almost shit myself today.

>how many hours
It isn’t quantity. It’s quality and repetition. I used the 20 hours from Derek Sivers, and it has yielded serious results.

The other idea to realize that, for example, every talent is a series of subtasks. Each of these subtasks builds, and you can take these “adjacent skill sets” to create mastery. For example, I learned how to program macros and use AI, so now my writing 10x’d. I knew guitar alternate tunings, so picking up the violin is a cinch.

If this thread is still up tmrw, I’ll share my charts so you can see how it’s done
LVL1SL1ME No.33791530 [Report] >>33791729 >>33792780
>>33790075
Here’s my board that I keep track of practice, with each cell being an hour. The rule I have is that the minimum time to practice is seven and a half minutes, which is 1/8 of a cell. Also, if I forget to notate a session it doesn’t count; this keeps me honest and prevents noodling/fuckarounditis.

If you see the mirror behind me, those are short-term goals that mirror some of the cells. This can help you chunk your time and get wholistic benefits as a distraction.

You can also double up skills and count them. For example, if I learn a Jacques Brel tune, that’s both REPERTOIRE and FRENCH. I do the same with PROGRAMMING macros and ABLETON, where an hour session of programming macros for Ableton counts. I try to bring this ethos to everything for efficiency and to multiply my talents.


Another note, once you do 20 hours, that finishes your beginner phase. Then do another 20 hours for intermediate (which could be 160 7.5 minute sessions), and voila, you’re on your way.

I’m 40 and I disregard brain elasticity. Once you learn how to do one thing, learning is just doubling the rate of failure until you attain mastery - even if the most simple shit.

Last—and perhaps most importantly—you need to use these skills publicly. I usually post shit in other forums and get reamed over it, but the positive feedback is what you’re after. If you can get into undeniable territory, then you create a positive feedback loop.

Read Scott Adams’ “How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big”. Reading it confirmed most of my approaches. You can extrapolate this to approaching women, too.
>75 bodies and counting
Anonymous No.33791729 [Report] >>33792413
>>33790075
>>33791530
Thank you anon.
This is a lot for me to take in. But I'll screenshot this all to remember.
Anonymous No.33791774 [Report]
>>33788410 (OP)
Don't do it to be like J. K. Rowling or for money, it won't happen. If you like doing it, just keep doing it and maybe one day you'll be good or lucky enough.
>>33789002
Depends on the skill. Two years painting and you'll impress most people; two years playing the piano is nothing, because everyone starts training on piano since they are four years old.
LVL1SL1ME No.33792413 [Report]
>>33791729
No worries. Just remember to have a little success each attempt.

I’ll leave you and the lurkers this:
>imagine yourself 365% better
>what does that look like?
>improve 1% by building better systems
>one year makeover
Anonymous No.33792780 [Report]
>>33790075
>>33791530
Quality post
This is why I like browsing /adv
Anonymous No.33794910 [Report]
>>33788410 (OP)
it took me 3k hours of consistent driven diligent and curious practice to reach genuine proficiency in my field that most people never reach.
Anonymous No.33794937 [Report]
>>33789632
HAHAHAHHAHA you already have a talent, being a clown
Anonymous No.33795615 [Report]
>>33788410 (OP)