Thread 33811573

>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of them even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, give up, or insist there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq (Leykis 101)
https://dokumen.pub/why-women-deserve-less-firstnbsped-1467978302-r-1917433.html
https://www.fantasticanachronism.com/p/how-to-be-good-at-dating
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

Prev: >>33789678

Is it worth it to get a couple of good fragrances? I saw some guys getting comlimented over the summer and it looked awesome ngl

it's simple: women want to have sex with hot guys

>>33811573 (OP)
how do you even make conversation instead you you and the girls just awkwardly looking at each other and the surroundings ?

>>33811645
>you and the girls just awkwardly looking at each other and the surroundings ?
already over by that point

Reminder that she expects you to hit on her.

Beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

Quick question bros:
Have class with a cute girl but she is kind of shy. Waiting for class we made eye contact and I smiled. She seemed flustered and walked away around the corner waiting until the teacher opened the door. Am I correct in assuming this is bashful behavior or did I do something wrong?

>>33811727
what if you have no idea how to hit on a girl?

>>33811742
I am right there with you man. In a lot of ways it is similar to learning guitar. You can look at all of the manuals, guides and instructionals that you want and get a good head start, but in the end the real magic happens when you start having fun with it and carve out your own unique style from trial and error.

>>33811759
My problem is that my mind go instantly blank when the subject is hitting on someone or even starting an interaction and I all the guides and manulas were never really useful to me as they were just to vague, giving a very general what to do but never really explaining the how you do the things they say you to do

>>33811573 (OP)
>How to get women
Step 1: Meet women.
That's where I always fail, I'm tired of this eternal sausage fest

What is the fear of the approach...I'll tell you as someone who is making it a goal to be a master of approaching. The approach comes down to truth. If you choose not to approach, you do so out of a desire to preserve a fantasy, a delusion. Maybe a fantasy of possibility. Maybe a delusion of self. But when you don't approach, you are choosing the comfort of ignorance. That's not always bad, but it very often is. To approach is to embrace reality. It is putting a value on the truth, no matter how disappointing it might end up being. Thus the fear of the approach is also the fear of disappointment. The fear arises from a simple truth about yourself:
>You are too fragile for what is real.
When you begin to despise the comfort of delusion, you will approach. When you believe that you can survive the truth, no matter what it is, you will approach. When you can live with disappointment, better yet, when you can laugh at it, you will approach.

>>33812002
I say this all because "state" precedes approach. Who you are, your beliefs, your disposition, determines everything that follows in seduction. So the most fundamental thing to get right, is your relationship with reality. In most circumstances, it is not rational to fear the approach. If you fear the approach you are in Plato's cave. You're pissing your pants at shadows on the wall. You're allowing hypothetical tigers in you bathroom to force you to shit on your floor. When the ghosts disappear from your mind, you will be in the proper state.

>>33811806
I think the best advice I have gotten is to approach from a place of curiousity i.e. Not "How can I woo or impress this person" but rather "How/I must find out what made this person so alluring to me in the first place"

>>33812037
>approach from a place of curiosity
how you do that ?

>I must find out what made this person so alluring to me in the first place
what if you already know why you get interested enough to want to approach before doing it ?

>>33811603
Get YSL La Nuit De L'Homme and thank me later.

>Want to chat with crush
>I sent her a "Good Morning" and a "Good Luck today!" Message and she replied with a "Thanks, bro. You too" so it's too early to chat again
AHH IT HURTS. I WANT TO TALK TO HER AND KNOW HOW SHE'S FEELING. I need to learn how to cope with this burning feeling of wanting to talk to her. I hate we weren't countried apart and we could see each other.

>>33812247
You're already too needy and desperate. Don't contact her until Friday 18:00.

>>33812258
Huh. If you put it that way, it does sound very pathetic.
For context I just went nearly a 7 days without chatting with her. We were on a decent once every 3 days streak until the idea that she may be too busy got into my head since she was taking quite a bit to reply, so I decided to give her more space since I know she's the type of gal to try please everyone even if it's exhausting her.
Why until Friday 6:00pm, specifically?

>>33812296
Mate there is nothing here, move on. Long distance baka, come on you desperate fucks...

>>33812037
exactly, having genuine interest in the other person is crucial
but also, viewing this person not as your equal or above you, but someone who is way below you in status
because your tone and energy need to be in that state for her to also believe you to be a catch

>>33812059
>what if you already know why you get interested enough to want to approach before doing it ?
see what else can further develop your interest?

>>33812247
I’ll be quite honest, once a woman calls you “bro”, just wrap it up. In her mind, she’s being rude in the most polite way possible so you fuck off.

>>33812688
i have started calling women bruv lately, i don't know why
i was bred to be a israeli jihadist unfortunately

out of nowhere ive gotten a bunch of matches on hinge. i redid a bunch of pictures and prompts, but im pretty sure this is a random surge. how do i not blow this? how long should i be texting these women before asking them out? first few messages? a couple days?

>try to talk to crush, even had a good opener prepared and some good conversation lines to take depending on how she responds
>actual conversation is maybe like 10 lines back and forth that I was too in my head to continue
>start up a conversation with some random chick on the bus home from work that I had zero interest in
>somehow managed to keep up a level of fun banter for the hour or so that the trip lasted where she was actively trying to talk to me and I wasn't even bothering that hard

I really wish there was some kind of mental cheat code to initiate that kind of dgaf attitude when talking to women I'm actually attracted to because when it happens it's like I'm running elite level game on autopilot without even being consciously aware of it.

How do I get a gf that will cuck me and record other guys fucking her for me?

>>33813328
Ask them out on the first message

>Going shopping
>Sister wants me to get her a pair of shoes while I'm out
>Only gives me a vague description of them and her shoe size
>Go to shoe shop
>Get assistance from hot chick who works there
>She seems friendly
>Start describing shoes
>They're popular so she knows the ones and takes me to them
>Gives me that salesman spiel which is unnecessary because I'm buying them regardless
>"So...are they for your gf?"
>"That depends"
>"What on?"
>"Whether you have a pair already"
>She giggles
>She serves me
>Leave shop
>Look back
>She's smiling and gives me a little wave
>Smile and wink
>Start walking like John Travolta in the opening of Saturday Night Fever
>Avoid the shop ever since

How do I always fuck up this badly? This always tends to happen. I can usually make some snappy one liners as long as it seems like there's a level of interest, or even just something I can gauge interest off of, but then when it comes to sealing the deal I totally shit my pants and never know what to say.

>>33813818
autissimo, my fren

>>33811573 (OP)
If you meet someone online how often should you be talking to one another? I only ever dated my girlfriend and we talked every day for hours since the day we met.

We are broken up with now and I do not know if that is standard. I met a girl I really like and we had an amazing date, so much in common and so much chemistry. I texted her after and we talked for a few hours. But now 24 hours have passed and no text from her. Is this normal?

I feel like an obsessive freak and this is for sure unhealthy, I have few friends and am placing all my hopes on this woman. But I am filled with anxiety that I have lost her attention somehow. How do I know? Will she message first? Is it bad if I have to initiate our convos? I am a grown man but I only ever dated one girl so I have so little experience

>girl says she doesn't eat meat and is bit chubby
With clothes on she is pretty cute but...
How to get her to loose 10kg?

>>33813965
>But now 24 hours have passed and no text from her. Is this normal?
You can never know. I met one chick irl, we made out and kept exchanging messages. Then one day she just stopped replying and I figured oh well whatever. Then months later we happen to meet again, make out again, talk daily, then she stops replying, then replies after like 3 days and goes out with me the same night. Some chicks are just busy/retarded, some may drop you. No way to know really, but try not to appear desperate/obsessed. If she doesn't reply at all just suggest a meeting at a time/place and then she'll either ghost you for good or agree and then you have your answer.

>>33812548
what even counts as "genuine interest" and how do you get it towards a girl you just saw on a bar and though she was attractive/cute enough to justify trying to hit on her ?

>>33813818
you should be proud of yourself and confident bro. you were able to charm a hot chick and you only needed one more step to get her on a date or whatever. millions of incels are crying and blackpilling because they cant even come close to the kind of interaction you just had. all you have to do is realize your potential.

>>33814270
Yeah. I guess I just have to hope.
Fuck it I will just try and have a convo with her tonight. If she wants to, she wants to and we can grow closer. I don't mind texting first as long as she reciprocates and shows interest

>>33814422
Nah don't do infinite convo shit, just ask her out
I can go into detail as to why but just trust me on this

>>33811573 (OP)
You know, you can actually train your mind to use telepathy to get bitches. You can even hypnotize women by sending messages with your brain. It's simple.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing

>>33813818
Go back, feel it out, ask her out if she remembers you.

>>33814027
>How to get her to loose 10kg?
Break up with her.

How to get out of friendzone? I'm lifting and working out and getting hotter in general but I've fallen for my friend who reminds me were friends every time we hangout. I'm split between confessing and asking her out to coffee or just aggressively flirt with her. I've been told confessing is gay and you shouldn't do it past elementary school.

Do I have a chance? I'm trying to detach to the point of not caring what she thinks of me but I really like this girl, I'm crushing hard. To make matters worse she also dated another friend of mine but they broke up some months ago.

Vibes with her are good and we get along well but I dont feel any interest from her end, I feel like its pretty obvious when a girl likes you. But then we also have intense eye contact so that confuses me. Advice is welcome.

>>33816379
You get out by not being her friend anymore. Just stop hanging out. If you really want a moonshot chance then ask her out but otherwise your only option is to move on

>>33816379
Just flirt a lot and see how it goes. And be prepared that there isn't any interest, but the first step to getting interest is planting an idea about it in her mind.

how do i get emotionally close to a girl?

there's a cute girl who i really love and i've gotten pretty far with her; hanging out once a week, talking often, she said she feels like we understand each other.

but i feel like there's emotional distance between us. no matter how hard i try, i've never been able to become close to anyone in my life, not even my family or the girls i've previously dated. she's more jaded, so i doubt i can convince her to date me if i don't try to bridge that distance between us. i don't want to creep her out though. what do i do?

why the fuck do i go down on every girl i get with

>>33811573 (OP)
Name of girl in pic? Need to see more of her tits.

>>33817105
Because you like the smell of rotten fish.

Charity session, my sons. Here goes my time

>>33817105
Do you enjoy it? Then it's just your sexuality, formed so long ago you don't remember certain events. You don't enjoy it? People pleasing, you have low self esteem, you feel to be not enough, so you have to bribe women with unbalanced pleasure. Explore your traumas

>>33816923
You are playing a game wrong. You act like a gay friend, yet you want her. So she likes you, but senses that you have suppressed romantic interest. Women are super attentive to that. Deep down she knows you are fearful manipulative creep, pretending to be friendly to penetrate her

First of all, explore why are you so fearful to just be the man, and why you have to be sneaky and strategizing. And dont retell me how she is special and you must go slow. That's just a story you tell yourself to feel safe

By the way, the reason you cant get close to people is your own wall, not theirs

>>33816379
You are oblivious to sexual polarity and how to be a man to a woman. This one sentence

>Do I have a chance?

alone tells me you had no proper father figure in your life. Stop dating all together, start researching the man's position in intersexual dynamics, which traits and beliefs are expected from you to play your role in it

>>33814027
Inspire. Take her on fun dates with physical activities, lead her into the better lifestyle by example. Fat people have lack of good parenting, low impulse control and bad influence from environment. Be the opposite influence

>>33813965
>how often should you be talking to one another?

Son, you have to be busy enough with your social circles, hobbies, working out, making money and family not to notice who message when

And you have to make yourself attractive and competent enough not to worry who replies when, because you are already in abundance

No amount of micro managing your communications and strategies will make you happy. Fix yourself and win the game by not playing it

>>33813818
Drop the self judging language, it makes things worse. Stop telling yourself the old story of your failures, focus on where you want to be. You are good at the start, you want to be better at follow up? Keep going, do more of those, and get slowly better. Its not your fate, its just a small chapter

>and never know what to say
That's fear. Say anything. Even one word. A compliment. An invitation. Get better with each repetition

>>33813481
You are traumatized. Unless you address that, you wont be fully happy

>>33813431
>wish there was some kind of mental cheat code
There is. Repetition. You were born unable to talk, walk or even feed yourself. Now you run, talk nonsense for a whole day and can ties shoe laces. Talk to women more, flirt with them, it will become easy

>>33817918
Yes. So you are correct. I have no life currently mine is falling apart a bit. She is the only thing giving me joy so I overanalyze everything and try to pay attention to that.

Thankfully from her perspective I have not sperged out yet.

I’m a bit hesitant to ask out this girl I like mainly because we seem too different. I’m more of a stay-at-home type, enjoy reading, coding, playing vidya, cooking, although I do outdoor activities too and I have an interest in historical combat arts but I’m not really the “head out on a random adventure” type.

She’s more athletic and outdoorsy, does sports professionally and is a bit of a wrench wench which I honestly wouldn’t have expected of a girl like her since she’s also fairly feminine and girly. Quite smart too. Very beautiful and is aware of it as well.

If she rejects me then no issue but I do get slight hints that she’s interested and if she says yes then I’m not sure what we’d even bond over. We have barely anything in common. Doubly so because there’s a 10 year age gap involved.

Is it even worth pursuing or is it doomed either way?

>>33818175
If it works out what will happen is you working on yourself more often and being at your best all the time. Society puts into people's heads that the sporty chick will just do most of the work and you sit on your computer all day long. Essentially what you need to do is go from nerd to athletic nerd. Being the guy who dorks out on exercise routines and going to the gym and eating healthy. Be a dork about being productive and living an active lifestyle. You do that while also being yourself, you will be fine.

Higher level chadlite here. I'm taking on a bigger challenge and wondering how do i slowly warm up my older, classy attention slut cousin to the old english idea of cousin love. My options are pretty much limited to texting as of now but who knows, I think I have some wiggle room.

>>33811573 (OP)
how do i get an emo gf

>>33813328
Be forward and flirty, ask them out within the first few moves

>put "short term, open to long"
>first girl freaks out when I make a move in my apartment
>second girl seems to be looking for LTR
So I've asked out another girl today, but said she's free next Friday. Seems like a good sign

>have a successful date with a qt3.14
>now feel empty inside as I sit in my house alone a day later
goddamn I think I need meds or something

realistically how much can “fixing” your dating profile do.
Idk if I’m ugly or just look bad in photos but I get no matches except with fat desperate chicks. I thought of maybe roping my sister in to help do my profile and take pictures out of desperation

>>33819221
Nah man don't eat the bugs. Psychotherapy, always.

>>33820272
>but I get no matches except with fat desperate chicks
Well that's your issue. Swipe right on fatties and you eill plummet your ELO

Should I date an African woman? I think I have a shot with one. Is there anything I should be worried about? Or will it be a good idea?

>>33819221
Ask her for a second date?

>>33816923
>emotional distance between us
That's just how women are. You were sold the lie that women can or will be genuinelly emotionally open with you; they won't and the moment you try, her attraction will plummet. If she wants to emotionally connect with you, she will pursue it if not then don't try because I guarantee she'll bale on you.

Can you start over with a girl you fucked up getting a date from?
>Asked her out. She said yes.
>she busy with work and im busy with other shit resulted in the date never happening.
>tried talking to her while she was at work(dumb, i know). She said call me after work
>called and no answer
>give up on girl
>no contact for 2 months now
I should just give up on this girl right?

>>33821010
>I should just give up on this girl right?
Yes
If she was interested then she would've pursued you. The moment you start chasing that makes you look desperate and that is the biggest killer for a womens attraction.

>>33821020
I know. But she is so perfect!
I hate this shit

>>33821024
>I hate this shit
Me too anon, me too

>>33820272
Unironically more important than how you actually look. Unless you're an actual mutant irl it's the biggest variable in getting matches.

>>33812002
>>33812032
Bruh, my fear of approach is that she'll call me a rapist and ruin my life.

“Do you have insta or something”
how do I save this, I have no social media and I’m not gonna go an autistic rant about why I don’t

>24
>Muslim
>Tall and in good shape
>Decently sociable
>Good job

So question for you guys from more conservative backgrounds, how do I make advances on women without making it disrespectful or awkward. It's pretty much a no go for cold approaches but even for girls I know. I'm not super conservative but want someone respectable and likewise I carry myself similarly

For example there's a girl at work who's also Muslim, we chat and like around once a week and it's always a warm friendly conversation. I'm not particularly keen on pursuing her desu but a good example of situations I tend to find myself in. I think she's usually pretty flirty with me just the way she talks and approaches convos, very playful as compared to with others. So say I was to want to get to know her better on relationship terms how would I even go about it? It doesn't really feel appropriate to get super personal in the office and I can direct conversation to something more flirty but how do I make the next step of getting her number? Do I ask her if she wants to grab lunch and talk further that way? Even if I got her contact how do I approach texting with intent or just casually which would be more infrequent?

Always find I have these dilemmas so would love to hear some input and again using this more as a case study (not looking to talk to her seriously for other reasons)

>>33821458
"yeah"
Then pull out your phone and add eachother.

>>33821458
Man you gotta up your schizogame. I have a phone for normies and one for my actual shit.

>>33820335
>eill plummet your ELO
Huh

>girl left a note on my scooter today with her @
>you look so peaceful I want to get to know you”
This follows last weekend a woman apparently from my condo building approached me in a coffee shop. First time this has happened. So my advice, go to Thailand looking peaceful and the foreign girls will like you :)

>>33821458
Say you’re off social media and ask for number

>>33814823
Nearly there anon. Other people are an illusion, you’re actually talking to yourself in the simulation ll

>>33821768
>go to Thailand
>just be white
there, fixed it for you

>>33821809
They are white women folk

>>33820948
I can't for the next 2 weeks sadly

>>33821927
I hope she is aware of that

>>33822019
Yeah I forgot to say that but I'll see if I can text
Fuck this shit is hard when dealing with a girl you actually really like

>>33822043
Its not hard lmao, you just have to communicate. Tell her you want to meet up again, see if she agrees, and if she does then tell her you are unavailable for 2 weeks.
If you both really want to hang out then see if you can do a video call or something

>>33822068
Yeah you're right. I just become UBER autistic with girls I care about. Thanks anon I will do that.

>>33811886
>sausage fest
W…what kind of “women” are you m..meeting with, nigga?

Update
>2nd date/hangout with gook exchange student
>with asians you never know if they are shy or just Asian
>We went to the park to draw and paint
>she's an art student
>out of nowhere she says "I'm sort of artistic"
>because of the accent I couldn't understand
>She meant she's autistic.
>mentioned quite a few times that I'm free to "message her anytime I want to hangout together to draw"
>invited me to visit her painting studio
>invited me to go to her art fait next weekend
>we were mostly silent during our hangout
>still...
>she said she loved it, and had fun

I've tried breaking the touch barrier but it seems hard, not sure if it's cultural or because she's actually autistic. How do I even make a move is she doesn't get non verbal cues?

>Woman sends me message on instagram, asking me how I am (talked to her before and she seemed interested in me)
>I respond and ask her how she is
>No response
>But likes gym photo of me in instagram story days after
How to explain this behaviour?

>>33823455
women are retarded what is there to explain?
personally I don't have time or patience for her stupid gay ass games.
Unless she's 8/10 and up, don't bother chasing her.

I don't think I'll ever get over the difference in how waitstaff and bartenders and even strangers treat you when you're alone vs when you have a pretty woman with you

>>33823921
if you are dressed well thennit is pretty much the same experience

I know this is gonna be a bitter truth and it holds nothing against women, but no matter what, a woman is an elitist, and if you want her you have to be above her. I know that sucks to hear, but it is the truth. Women are never evil, but they are just elitists.

I have a match with about a 17 year age gap on Facebook dating and she responded to my opening with “You are too young. I could be your mommy *laughing emoji*”. Is that actually her shutting it down? Or is she just fucking with me and I can send something flirty back? Im too autistic to tell

Living in a studio is bad right for women? Even if you're the owner? t. 277sqft

I have a date with a Japanese chick I met off hinge tomorrow. We’re gonna have coffee at a place not far from me. She doesn’t speak English too well but I’m planning to just hang out with her at the cafe for a bit then see if she wants to go to my place. I want to fuck this chick so bad she has great tits. Seems very sweet too. I’ve had tons of Asian chicks but never a Japanese one. Do Japanese women fuck on the first date like that or what?

>>33825215
Idk how old that actually makes her but older women dont really tend to beat around the bush or play games like that. You could shoot something back like "maybe I want that" or something to see how she replies

I was out with my friend and this girl started to chatting with us and we ended up hanging out with her friends briefly before they left. I got her number. How should I proceed?

I just got out of a relationship and just want to see where this goes/hookup. What should I text her? She didn't have any social media and only have her number. Should I ask her out for a drink or something?

>>33814308
like interest to get to know the person behind the look, ike are you hitting on her just because of lust
or because you want to know more about her

>>33826193
just text her hey nice too meet you the other day
and that's abotu it
after say let's catch up again sometime if she responds
then you plan another hangout and take her where you want to go
pretty simple

>>33811573 (OP)
Is it cringe to ask a woman if she's "seeing anyone" before going for her number or asking her out?

>>33811573 (OP)
Went to the strip club today cuz I was lonely after my birthday and came out even lonelier
>tfw 29
>tfw lost my v card to a tinder hook up
>tfw never had a gf
Idek anymore I get matches on tinder but 90% of them are girls who ghost and I am starting to just get tired of it all.

>>33821516
>muslim
get that arranged

I wouldn't want to date me, so why should I expect any woman to?

I’m 21M, and it’s absolutely INSANE that women my age would refuse to date inexperienced menb because they assume there’s something wrong with them. I get doing this in your mid/late 30s, but if you try telling this to a 30 year old they’d laugh because 21 is still a baby to them! It also seems like every woman has experience so its hard being in an area where every 20 year old takes themselves so seriously despite being a dumbass. How do I find someone as inexperienced as me??

>>33826886
>match with a girl on hinge
>send a message
>open the app a few hours or a day later
>unmatched
Why does this keep happening? My openers are usually random questions about their profile to break the ice

>match with a girl on hinge
>send a message
>open the app a few hours or a day later
>unmatched
Why does this keep happening? My openers are usually random questions about their profile to break the ice

>>33827231
>Why does this keep happening?
becuase you are using semitic dating apps. Enjoy!

>be me
>go to the BBQ held by our company today just to have fun, eat some meat and drink booze
>there's a girl from out office I haven't talked much with but consider cute (and we did do same sports in college)
>spend hours having fun, haven't talked with her once
>BBQ over, time to go home but it's raining
>she does not have an umbrella, I take out mine and hold over her without saying anything (she's considerably shorter than me)
>she notices, smiles, and we walk back to station talking about weather and stuff
>I say goodbye and find some bros to drink some more somewhere else
>we get off the train and surprise surprise she's also here (apparently some mutuals invited her to drink and she's coming too)
>It's still raining and she still does not have an umbrella, so I repeat my maneuver
>she's surprised but laughs and calls me her hero
>other people in our group also poke fun at how gentlemanly I am
>we go to the nearby bar
>sit at the same table as her and two other people, talk about all kinds of shit
>suddenly, her friend starts talking about ISTP, makes everyone say their type
>when I say mine, her friend points at her and says "wow, you two are compatible!"
So, uh.
I do need to make a move ASAP, don't I?

Hey guys I'm trying out Hinge again after a friend just got engaged to a girl he met on there. Need some advice for my prompts, specifically the "Together we could" or others if you have a better idea. I really just need examples that don't sound stupid

Look you all, I'm not saying go make yourself be used by a gold digger, but a woman would far more likely appreciate you if you date her when your dreams come true not make her treat you like an investment. And I'll tell you it is very endearing to be treated like an investment. But you being 25 trying to date a 26 year old am competing with a 40 year old who is a CEO now. You got to be at that high level. She's looking at you like you are gonna be a terrible deadbeat alcoholic whose gonna put her in a trailer home smashing a whiskey bottle after drinking it heavily and then yelling at her for 2 hours then slapping her. Prove her wrong you are not that nightmare of a person.

>>33825500
Wasnt actually a hard no. I played into the mommy thing then she said she was looking for a son to buy her drinks. We flirted a little more but she hasn’t responded since last night :/

So my approaches and opens are good. I'm pretty sure I'm attractive based on the fact women are approaching me occasionally and every girl I approach is at least giving me the microphone and playing along initially. My sticking point is definitely something in my head rather than in my game itself and it's something I've never dealt with before. I start to get this voice in my head that makes me want to tell the girl I'm talking to "I'm not hitting on you, you might have AIDS for all I know, so don't flatter yourself." It's an attitude that is obviously attractive because it makes me come across as disinterested and cocky, but it's also too real in the sense that I'm actually self-sabotaging in interactions now.

It's like I have this person in my head calling me a hack on stage. Like "oh, good job man, look how cool you are...so what now, you're going to bring this girl over there and make out with her...wow you're so cool and original, you douche." And that manifests again as self-sabotage where I'll deliberately not do what works because it feels too cliche. It's bad enough that I will hear old timey 1950s music in my head while I'm talking to a girl and be like 1 second away from saying out loud "this is gay" and walking away. I think I'm legitimately such an asshole that my own inner monologue is now being an asshole to me.

>>33797414
>>33800233
i guess, but i have no idea how to make this not end in losing both and being flooded with grief from everyone i know and everyone MILF knows.
also, im completely fucked, comforted MILF and she has fallen even harder now, gonna have to break her heart i guess...

>>33822747
if she said she loved it and had fun you're halfway in already. just ask her if she's really autistic, and how she handles touch if she says yes.

>>33826886
The funny part is that there are loads of "inexperienced" (whatever that means) 21 year old women, they just arent the ones who are hoeing around and putting themselves out there

>>33828174
>It's an attitude that is obviously attractive because it makes me come across as disinterested and cocky
You desperately need to stay off the internet

>>33829071
This. You need to show as much interest in women you just meet as possible and show no confidence or cockiness around them. Ideally don't even look them in the eyes and make sure to apologize to them after everything you say. Be as meek as you can be all while telling them how much you want them to be your girlfriend as early on in the interaction as you can.

What on earth are you supposed to say to these bitches on dating apps? I get a decent number of matches but they all die out in the texting stage. I’ve tried straightforward lines (Hey! Nice to match. Drink sometime?), reddit ones (I’m at Sobeys, you need anything?), and I just get nothing. These women are terrible conversationalists - there is nowhere to go once they respond. I get its partially about jestermaxxing and preforming the mating dance, but there is truly no way to keep these conversations from feeling stilted and awkward (AT BEST)

>>33829346
I second this and am in the same boat; I hate the jester-dance you have to perform for these women who all seem to not want to put any modicum of effort in.

Are zoomers absolutely fucked beyond measure?

>>33829346
>>33829446
>start with a playful question or comment that would prompt an eager response
>after she replies, spin it into asking her out or at least suggesting that you meet up
>on the third message, follow up with a proper invitation
You dont really have much control over her replying, but assuming she likes your profile enough she will likely play along. But ALWAYS ask her out within the first 3 moves or as soon as possible

>>33829346
There's not much you can really do in practice. In general, women these days are bad conversationalists and a lot of them are actually really boring as people, so if you have any standards or self-respect at all, it's going to be like pulling teeth trying to get a connection going with a lot of them. They don't have a sense of humor about themselves so they don't really have any charm, they don't really have any passions or interests, they're bad story tellers so while you might be able to tell a vivid story about your visit to the Machu Picchu they'll be like "Mexico had nice beaches when I went :)." So then for example you have to take that and try to thread it into interesting conversation, but they aren't interesting, so discussing something like world travel ends up somehow managing to be boring.

They have no passion for their job or any life goals of note, so you can't thread that into anything. Again, almost no sense of humor, so you can't even riff or shoot the shit about stuff because they're just not likely to be funny or even understand what's funny. The best you can really do is accept that like always it's a numbers game, but the process of finding an acceptable girl now is a lot less fun than it used to be because a lot of these girls are social retards. Everything I said here has a ton of exceptions though because there are really cool girls out there, it's just there's not as much in the middle so the process is grueling. You tend to have functional autists staring at you with drool coming out of their mouths or really cool girls that "have the lights on" in their head.

>>33811573 (OP)
I'm 21M in college, there a cute girl in my history class. I want to ask her out, but I never been a confident guy, any advice?

>>33830089
Ask her out or I will rape you.

>>33830089
are you on talking terms with her already or is this a from-across-the-class kind of thing

>>33830252
>are you on talking terms with her already or is this a from-across-the-class kind of thing
Across the class thing, she sits behind me but me and her are both in a group project together with some others

>>33830284
just flirt with her and get a vibe. ask her out before the actual work of the project starts. if the other members are retards, bond with her by making fun of them

>>33830089
I waited too long and by the second half of the semester, she never left alone. We were even on a bus together once and I didn’t sit with her.

They can still come back in the early stages after 5 weeks, right?
A mutual even said she would shut out others frequently in the past when overwhelmed and thinks I could have been even more forwards

>>33830306
>just flirt with her and get a vibe. ask her out before the actual work of the project starts. if the other members are retards, bond with her by making fun of them
Sounds dumb but how you flirt?
>>33830315
>I waited too long and by the second half of the semester, she never left alone. We were even on a bus together once and I didn’t sit with her.
Sorry to hear that anon

>>33830465
it's tough to explain. the best way to put it is that you're demonstrating to the other person that you're attracted to them, while maintaining plausible deniability. watch some clips of men you find charismatic, but don't try to imitate them or sus out what they're doing. its more about getting in the right mindset then studying anything

Using ChatGPT to manage your harem.

>>33830465
>Sounds dumb but how you flirt?
Flirting is just sexually charged small talk.

I’m objectively a low value male in terms of looks, status, confidence but I still feel like I have standards for women that because of today’s day and age makes it impossible for me to find anyone. Like I want to be with a woman that I find attractive and at the moment overweight or non-white women don’t do anything for me. Im trying to self-improove by working out and looking into getting some cosmetic surgery to help my horrible skin but even then that can only do so much. Im wondering if I can change my mindset somehow

>be me, 20
>make new friend, A
>A invites me to party
>meet qt3.14 B there, have short convo with B and A
>A leaves, talk with B one-on-one for maybe 15-20 minutes
>tonight, A asks me if i remember B and if i want B's phone number
>i say sure and ask why
>A says i should shoot my shot
>no other information
what are the chances i fuck this up, anons?
>eventually B leaves

>>33830792
>overweight or non-white women
no such thing in america anymore

>>33830465
Flirting is playful banter and flattery. Its just a way of building rapport and seeing if you get along. Yes there can be some sexual undertones but for the loflve of God dont come out the gate with that. Just gently tease her and express interest in what she says/does

>>33826647
It is. Just go for her number/ask her out, if she's seeing anyone, she'll tell you

i'm 29 and never had a gf

>>33831278
I win, lol. 31 and counting

>dating apps is just swiping for hours just to get flaked on by the 1-2 people who meet you
>meetups full of old people
>too awkward to cold approach
Idk I’m just tired… I don’t think I’m ever going to meet the one… seems like it would be easier if I stopped trying…

>Dated someone for 6 weeks or so
>Last time we met I could tell she had lost interest
>Sent me a text the next day confirming such and that we shouldn't see each other again
>I was as courteous as ever and said it was no problem and I would stop contacting her
>Has text me every day since for weeks
>Polite so I text back
>It's just idle chit chat
Anyone with more knowledge in this game able to decipher what's going on here? In the early days of her breaking it off she kept praising my conduct. It honestly felt like she wanted me to beg for her not to go with the way some of the texts read.

>>33831688
You guys fuck good? Maybe she just wants to hook up casually. I'd just ask straight up.

>>33831688
>Not interested in a relationship but texts you all the time
You're her girlfriend.
>Polite so I text back
Yeah, you were way too much of a "nice guy". Being a nice person isn't bad in itself, but in this connotation, it's usually associated with unattractive traits like
>People pleasing, no backbone, not being direct, not wanting to express *sexual* interest because "that would be too forward"
Shit like that. Men who act like that are acting like friends. You don't get a girlfriend by acting like her friend, lol. This is why women typically go for "bad boys". Not that being "bad" is good in itself, but in this connotation, it usually comes with attractive traits like
>boldness, assertiveness, confidence, the ability to tell her no, having opinions regardless of what she thinks, not taking bullshit or people pleasing, having a backbone. Make sense? The fact that you're even entertaining idle chat a chick that you have absolutely no use for tells me you were firmly in the first category with everything you did. That 6 weeks was her trying to figure out if you'd be good enough to settle for after she's done fucking the guys that actually turn her on.

>>33831909
He's too far beyond that point.

>>33831909
Nah mostly pretty shit. I was usually drunk and she was fairly boring.

>>33831934
You're 100% right because you've just reminded me of something she said once. At the same time I feel like I have to be that way a lot of the time because letting people know what I'm really like is too far to the other side. There were a few times I almost let slip about certain things that would only have made things way worse, not that it could be now but would have been at the time. I seem to have no middle ground. I'm either nice instead of good or myself. I'm not a rapist or anything like that, but the criminal element is always underlying and that being exposed is never a good thing.
After taking on board what you've said maybe I should be more myself. If it doesn't work I know there's always another one and I can use them for gauging purposes.

>>33832013
>you've just reminded me of something she said once.
Which was?
>letting people know what I'm really like is too far to the other side.
And what is that?
>There were a few times I almost let slip about certain things that would only have made things way worse
You're gonna have to elaborate.
>'m not a rapist or anything like that, but the criminal element is always underlying and that being exposed is never a good thing.
You realize that kind of thing turns women on right? Did you not hear about the convicted felon that went viral because women thought he was hot? You're most likely projecting your negative relationship with self onto the situation. Also how is there no middle ground between "self" and "being a complete pushover pussy". C'mon.

>>33832040
>Which was?
Not to change because someone will appreciate it. The insinuation, in my eyes, being she doesn't appreciate it because she doesn't want that. Then there was the whole "great guy" shit on top.
>And what is that?
Ruthless, assertive, arguably domineering, criminally minded, holding views that people don't agree with, far too over confident. A real prick.
>You're gonna have to elaborate
Just about being in prison, certain crimes, and that kinda thing.
>Did you not hear about the convicted felon that went viral because women thought he was hot?
That's it too though he was hot. I don't consider myself especially good looking, or at least not that chad level. Somehow I always think that when I know if I wasn't at least attractive to them I would never be dating them in the first place though.
>Also how is there no middle ground between "self" and "being a complete pushover pussy"
I can never find the right balance. I even discussed it with my therapist and they didn't really have any answers on how to find the inbetween so I got kinda stuck with one extreme or the other. Usually what happens is when it's over and there's nothing to lose the nice guy part stops and the real me comes out, but it's so jarring and unexpected they really, really don't like it.

>>33832078
>Not to change because someone will appreciate it. The insinuation, in my eyes, being she doesn't appreciate it because she doesn't want that. Then there was the whole "great guy" shit on top.
Exactly. All that shit is code for
>You are too kind and don't turn me on.
The thing is most women will not appreciate that because it simply isn't attractive to lack a backbone, confidence, and assertiveness.
>Ruthless, assertive, arguably domineering, criminally minded, holding views that people don't agree with, far too over confident. A real prick.
Yeah, I'm having a hard time believing you because that's the textbook definition of a bad boy. I don't buy that you've just "turned that side of you off" for basically no fucking reason, lol.
>Just about being in prison, certain crimes, and that kinda thing.
Your story is bullshit.
>I can't be ruthless, assertive and confident because then they might find out I was in prison
Are you dumb or retarded? Choose one.
> Usually what happens is when it's over and there's nothing to lose the nice guy part stops and the real me comes out, but it's so jarring and unexpected they really, really don't like it.
I'm just here to see where this bs story goes at this point. But I'll bite. Try starting from the opposite extreme then.

How do I learn to text anons? Rn I don't have a problem getting girls' numbers but idk growing up the ugly/awkward kid I never got much practice with normal texting and I can't into the modern texting rhythm

>>33832103
>Yeah, I'm having a hard time believing you
If I'm wanting advice what would be the point in lying? I don't turn it off for no reason. Being around friends and likeminded people is totally different to being around women who you're trying to convince you aren't some lowlife.
I have a friend who does the same, but opposite. With women he's a total unhinged lunatic. With us there's no one nicer.
>Your story is bullshit
It's not though. Again, I have no reason to lie. I'm not trying to manipulate you into sleeping with me so lying would serve no purpose.
>Are you dumb or retarded? Choose one.
Probably both, but that's not what I said.
>Try starting from the opposite extreme then
I'll do that. The problem is, from the women I've spoken to, everyone tries that and because they do that too early on they don't like it. Most of them aren't like that anyway and put on a front, a bit like the way I put on a front.
There's an old meme that rich people dress like they have no money while poor people dress like they have money. This sort of fits a bit because out of every criminal I know, I don't know a single one who brags about being in prison or committing crimes. It's larpers and junkies who do that.

>>33831625
>stopped trying…
Honestly somewhat true. Stop trying to find a GF specifically and instead just try to find outlets where you can make friends

What do you think,
>Art school student
>Took a year off to solo travel
>Wants to learn how to ride a motorcycle
>Doesn't want to settle down until 30
>Says were at different life stages
>Doesn't want me to stay for too long at her home country after she's done visiting mine
>Wants to focus on college, career, and then more college
>Has a big friend group
Is this a girl I should give my time and energy to?

>>33832218
I feel like I’ve been waiting to “just meet naturally” for years now and I’m getting old
probably doesn’t help I have insanely nerdy hobbies so I usually meet guys

>>33832168
> I don't turn it off for no reason. Being around friends and likeminded people is totally different to being around women who you're trying to convince you aren't some lowlife.
Your concept is wrong. The objective isn't to convince a bitch of anything. "Convincing" requires you to put on a performance; to do shit you wouldn't normally do. Meaning that even if you *do* get her...you have to continue doing shit you don't do / be a person who you're not in order to keep her. No. The objective is finding a woman who resonates with who you are in the first place. And to do that, you need to be that person. Otherwise the relationship will end either because you're tired of faking it all the time or she finds out you're a liar and ends it.
>[when] the nice guy part stops and the real me comes out, it's so jarring and unexpected they really, really don't like it.
Is this ringing a bell? The part I'm not understanding is how you know how to be a "nice guy" but don't know how to be assertive and confident without being a complete asshole. Its like...the simplest thing to do. Be helpful, but have limits. Be polite but disagree and tell her no. Like..maybe I'm biased because that's just how I naturally am. But I really think you're overthinking this whole "balance" thing. Can you really not look at the difference between the two personalities and logically write down a middle point? Like, write down or map out the personality traits of the "nice guy". Then map out the same for the "real you". What components are a bit too rough on the real you / what aspects should be toned down?
>Maybe I'm too aggressive when I disagree.
>Perhaps I should be more playful and banter when I think they're wrong while holding my position.
But you'd do that with a few aspects / characteristics. It's only difficult for you because you think it is. Whats so hard about what I wrote?

>>33832117
So you start texting with a girl and when she stops responding you objectively assess if it's because of you or her then start talking to the next girl and dont repeat the mistake if it was your fault before.

>>33832270
>Art school student
Bohemian. Free form. Not bad, just a comment.
>Took a year off to solo travel
I wonder what she was doing
>Wants to learn how to ride a motorcycle
Doesn't really move the needle imo
>Doesn't want to settle down until 30
What do *you* think this means? 30's is for being serious. 20s is for?
>Says were at different life stages
She's literally telling you.
>Doesn't want me to stay for too long at her home country after she's done visiting mine
Doesn't want you to scare all the men away
>Wants to focus on college, career, and then more college
Wants to focus on *not* you
>Has a big friend group
Means nothing in itself
>Is this a girl I should give my time and energy to?
You tell me, Sherlock. She's literally and explicitly given you the answer to this, lol.

>>33832376
>>33832270
To add: I usually say "don't listen to what a woman says; focus on what she *does*". But this time..what she's saying and doing match perfectly.

>>33832273
Do you not go grocery shopping? Or buy clothes? Or do anything within the vicinity of women?

>>33832376
>I wonder what she was doing
I wondered that too. She met me at the last part of her solo travel, and I wondered if I was really the only guy she fucked considering she was very beautiful. She had more stories about guys giving her advice/travel tips than girls
>>33832383
I have the same thought. She says one thing but acts differently.
At first she thought spending a month with me was crazy, and that she doesn't like the idea of a housewife.
She then proceeded to spend a month with me and cooked me dinners every night.
>Doesn't want you to scare all the men away
Yeah I definitely thought this. She kept trying to emphasize how small her apartment would be.
>Wants to focus on *not* you
It hurts to hear it after she sucked so much cum out of me.

I guess I was used. Oh well.

What do you do when your glans is sensitive? im not circumcized and it is kinda sensitive, it hurts when my girl tries to give me a handjob or a blowjob, it doesnt feel good at all.
I dont know what to do, i dont have phimosis because i can still pull the skin back but still...it feels like it shouldnt be like this

>>33832403
>I wonder if I was really the only guy she fucked
haha hahahha
Sorry bro
>>33832425
Make sure it's wet bro and tell her to slow down

>>33832438
Oh she's really wet i can tell you that
but its my penis problem, is it a thing of getting used to it? it hurts a little
should i use lubricant or some shit

>>33832403
>I guess I was used
No offense. Brother. Please don't take this the wrong way. But you sound like a girl. But walk with me here. YOU attributed more emotion and seriousness to this situation than was necessary. At NO point did she indicate she wanted a relationship.
>She fucks you quickly at the tail end of a year long solo trip.
Nigger. Why would you take this chick seriously in the relationship department?
>Hurr durr, I wonder if I was the only one
You literally sound like an emotional woman. Think with your mind and not your dick for a moment. Use some logic. You know damn well there was no evidence that you should invest emotionally.
>At first she thought spending a month with me was crazy, and that she doesn't like the idea of a housewife.
>She then proceeded to spend a month with me and cooked me dinners every night.
You're dealing with a bitch (not that she is one, i'm just using the term colloquially) who spent a year "finding herself", who doesn't want to settle until she's 30, and you think her month-long stint as a live in prostitute meant something, lol.
It hurts to hear it after she sucked so much cum out of me.
Brother. No offense to her, but she was a cumdumpster the whole time. Unfortunately you've done what a lot of men do. When naive, we project our idea of the perfect woman onto the chick we're dealing with instead of looking at her based on what she's truly doing and who she truly is. Any other dude looking at this situation can see
>Yeah, she's a whore. Not a good or bad thing. But that's her phase. She just wants dick and to feel free for a while
But you see
>Houswife. Lover. Relationship. Emotion. "I feel bad"
Brother. Do you see what I'm saying? YOU played yourself. Can you see what you did?

>>33832438
Don't apologize to him. He did it to himself. But sometimes we have to learn the hard way.

>>33832270
Lmao no
RIP

Abotu to turn 35 and still avirgin, kissed like two girls in my life, fingerbanged one and thats it. How fucked am I?

>>33832543
Clearly not fucked at all LOL
But for real do you have your shit together?
Job your own place decent clothes appearance etc. If so just go on apps ask them out for drinks flirt a bit and ask them over at the end of the night. Yeah it will be awkward at first probably but see each encounter as an opportunity to learn and do better next time.
>>33832440
Not needed if she's really wet I suppose. What about when you jerk off alone? Maybe ask your gp man.

>she has about 500 IG followers
>i made an account for the first time just to text her
>waiting for the few people i know to follow me back so at least i dont look like a creep with zero social media activity
met her a few days ago at a gathering, didnt really talk to her but we were both in a same group following a conversation and after the event a friend of mine told me she was checking me out.
she's beautiful and well-mannered.
i'm not a neet or anything but have no experience whatsoever with women

do i have a chance?

>>33833530
>Do I have a chance?
Yes. Here are some quick pointers.
1. Talk to her like she's normal. Doesn't matter how pretty or kind you think she is. Don't be phased by that. She's a human just like you. And there are millions of other girls just as pretty.
2. Be yourself. Yes, this is cliche. But I mean: don't pretend to be someone you're not to "impress" her. If you put on an act and get her, you'll have to continue putting on an act to keep her. You'll ether end it because you're tired of pretending or she'll leave you because she found out you're a liar.
3. Don't be afraid to have your own opinions, disagree with her, or tell her no when she crosses a boundary. Most guys appease and bend over backwards to please a woman, but that's a massive turn off. Why? They think confidence, boldness and assertiveness is attractive.
4. Focus on what she *does* not what she *says*. For example
>*Dresses in really revealing clothing to go clubbing with her girlfriends, but doesn't want you to come*
>"Trust me, anon. You're just being insecure if you don't let me go out like this with my friends.
In this example, she calls you insecure, but she's acting like a woman who is single and has no boyfriend. Words only matter if they match her ACTIONS.
5. Do not project what you want onto her. Most guys, when dealing with girls, project their idea of the perfect woman onto the girl instead of looking at her for what she is. Take this guy here: >>33832270. I responded to him here >>33832376 and here >>33832443

It's the perfect example. Because he was dealing with a girl who was obviously looking for nothing but fun and temporary things. But he decided to project emotion, relationship and serious thoughts onto her even though she her actions went against that *and* she even explicitly said so. So her actions matched her words. Don't be like that. Learn from his mistake so you don't make it. Be real. Look at what's actually happening. Questions?

>>33833530
>>33833576
Oh also: Don't do that thing most guys like to do where you think:
>Let's be friends first and turn it into a relationship
>I don't want to be too forward. I want to hint at it
DO NOT beat around the bush. Acting like a friend and not being direct is how you....become a FRIEND. You don't want to be just friends, do you? No? Okay, so you need to make your sexual interest known quickly and directly. Act like a boyfriend in the types of sexual jokes you make. Tease her / banter, but make it about you and her. But be up front. Doing otherwise is how you get friendzoned.

It works to your favor: if she's not interested, you don't waste time being a friend for months / years hoping it goes somewhere. If she is interested, you get to where you actually want to be much faster.

>>33832543
Imagine a warm press on your dick and that is how a vagina feels. First time will be an adaptation. You'll feel a connection you never have in your life. I got really scared of this feeling the first time and still want to pursue it. Lost my virginity at 29.

>>33832270
As long as she doesn't freak the fuck out when you reveal your true self it shouldn't be an issue. I will warn you, hipster women are a bit more elitist than typical women, so expect her to have a shorter temper and to overreact more and possibly the chance of an even harsher break up than most women. Expect to break up with her for example when you proudly display a belief against abortion or for the bible. Expect her also to be the type of girl who throws a fit when she has to sit and watch you play Call of Duty for 4 hours at your house. Fuck if she hates video games, try to play multiplayer with her and allow her to get into it... Going easy on her too. And for the love of Christ don't act like a homosexual when you are a sweaty gamer. Yeah getting a rare item in a game is cool and all, but why the fuck would you put that above your girlfriend, shit you shouldn't even do that to your friends, as that is gay as hell.

>>33833576
>>33833582
thank you for the advice but that's really fast-forward, as pathetic as it sounds texting a girl on social media is already a big step for me, if somehow i can carry the convo enough to ask her for a date and she agrees, it would be a miracle

>>33833737
Ok, how about this then: DO NOT have idle conversation over text. All it does is exhaust things to talk about in person. Only text unless there's a specific intent
>I'm angling to ask her out
>I'm trying to sleep over place
>I'm trying to get x
Yeah, I realize you aren't trying to sleep over her place right now, but you get my point. Texting is for setting up a physical meet. Not idle talk.
>if somehow i can carry the convo enough to ask her for a date and she agrees, it would be a miracle
No miracles needed her bro. And "fast forward" my ass. Today's Monday. If you follow my advice, you could have a date on Thursday or Friday.

Just fucking do it. Worst case? You'll continue fucking your fist like you already have been. What do you have to lose?
>Oh she said no
Every dude has been told no. All you're doing is getting experience so it becomes a yes with someone else.

>>33833737
>see cute girl
>ask girl out
Don’t overcomplicate things.

do you guys ask girls out when theyre working

>>33833585
>You'll feel a connection you never have in your life.

Thats kind of what I feared tbqh and didn't go through with any woman who showed interest so far. I witness people having casual flings, one night stands and so on all the time, I don't want to emotionally sperg over something thats apparently a more or less casual thing to most people.
Also I find it really suspicious how many later in life virgins end up with their very first girl as the "love of their life", thaths just way too much coincidence for my taste that the first woman is also the one you spend the rest of your life with.
I'd rather maintain my indepence than getting emotionally cucked to a woman just because she coincidentally is my first.

>>33833759
>>33833760
should i just ask her out as soon as we start texting? like
>hi i'm anon from last day's gathering, wanna hang out sometime?

>>33833803
Here’s a little life hack. Don’t ask them as a direct question, it subconsciously puts them on the defensive and forces them into choices, when they instinctually want to be under the comfort of a man’s decisiveness. Frame it instead as what you want or what you’re going to do or as an invitation. For example, something like
>i’d love for us to hang out on saturday
Instead of
>want to hang out sometime?

>>33833803
Think of it this way: would a guy who's a player with a lot of experience waste time with a convo? Or would he get straight to the point?
So the answer is yes. But not immediately so. Maybe make a light reference to the conversation before diving straight in like:

>Hey, I'm anon from last day's gathering. I meant to introduce myself but I got sucked into the convo
Get some sort of light convo going first. She'll have some basic response like
>oh yeah haha, same or whatever
Then you could do something like
>Yeah, lol. Well you seem pretty cool. I'd like to take you out sometime so we can meet properly.
>>33833827
This. Exactly fucking this lol.

Stop being a fucking dick, and let your woman value her time. The universe does not revolve around you. If it does, you are the cringiest person in the world.

>>33833827
>>33833833
got it, thanks guys

>>33833859
Final tips: have a plan of where you want to take her. Keep it light and informal, like ice cream or a coffee. That way you actually have room to have a conversation instead of a dinner date where you're shoveling food into your mouth.

And future dates? Take her to do shit you are interested in. Not shit you think she'll like. Why? Because you're paying for 1 and she's getting to know *you*. You like go karts? Take her there. You like photography? Give her a camera and go out taking pics. If she likes you, she won't care that you're not taking her on a dinner date. Food is a tangent to the main date. Not the main date itself.

You don't need good luck. You just need to do it, anon. Peace and positivity are upon you.

>>33833878
>>33833859
Yep, you’re getting a lot of good advice, anon.

>>33830306
>bond with her by making fun of them
incel advice.
Bonding over mutual grievances is good though. But you gotta have tact.

>>33811624
Men often confuse themselves what a "hot" man is. He's a "full package". All a man can do is be the best version of himself and hope. Hope is literally the whole game plan for " getting" a woman. But most guys cannot accept this because it feels so passive that it'll never work. Do you think Brad Pitt has to approach women? "But I'm not Brad Pitt!" You're correct, but there is only one Brad and billions of women. You could be some woman's Brad Pitt. But you say, "Women's standards are cooked by online dating!" Sure, you're correct. So why are you settling for one of these brainwashed chicks rather than living alone in peace. Sure you might die alone, but let me tell you, there are worse ways to go through life and King Solomon wrote plenty about "bad" women, "better to sit on the corner of the roof than love with a contentious wife". There only way to get women is to stop trying to. It is counter intuitive, that's why you don't believe me, but you will when you find yourself divorced, lonely and picking up the pieces if your emotional life...will you trust me then? You won't need to. Wisdom is in the street, will you heed its call?

>>33811573 (OP)
this thread has kikes that will doxx you IRL, there is no reason to post this shit on 4chan just watch the dating videos on youtube and definitely do not post anything about your real life here even anonymous shit.

When I find that motherfucker...

>>33833827
>>33833833
>id love for us to hang out on saturday
>id like to take you out sometime so we can meet properly.
I know these are just examples but they need to be less ambiguous. It doesn't matter if you phrase it as a question or statement if you dont have an actual idea of what you want to do, its just going to fall flat. In fact the whole question vs suggestion thing is way overstated IME. Its not so much being assertive as it is having a definitive plan that you invite her to. You can even still phrase it as a question as long as it entails an actual activity or objective.
>do you like bowling? We should go bowling later this week
>want to grab some lunch this weekend?
Are both better than just some invitation to do nothing in particular.

>>33834103
Very true. Yeah, I could've been more specific in my examples

>>33830804
ok nonnies update time. i texted her and she said she thought i was cute. set up a coffee date at the end of the week.
what the fuck do i do now? i'm bad at texting and would much rather wait to talk to her over coffee than attempt conversation with basically a stranger over text.
and i'm kinda low-anxiety about the date itself but i was very near blackout the entire time i talked to her and i remember like two details about her.

>>33836580
You dotn have to text nonstop until then. It was mentioned before itt but you don't want to kill the momentum anyways, so just send one or two messages per day until then. Also if you feel pressured to send something then you can send memes and reels and shit

>>33833856
Zack, my son, what the fuck are you talking about?

This is neither advice, nor wisdom. You are hiding your personal experience behind imaginary WE. That's the cheapest verbal escapism

Tell the truth as it is. Not

>Stop being a fucking dick, and let your woman value her time. The universe does not revolve around you. If it does, you are the cringiest person in the world.

But what it means

>I used to be self absorbed, it didnt work out well, now I want to warn you anons not to do same mistake

>Girl I met on bumble rejects me after a date. Says I may not be her type. All of this happened a month ago.
> I get other matches but none as hot as this girl.
> Still thinking about fugging her at times
How much of a bad idea is it to text her? Do I risk getting myself humiliated or Is there a chance she still hasn't found anyone new/Chad ghosted her and now I'm her type lol?

>>33837581
Don’t be or act desperate, that’s incredibly unattractive. Just move on to the next one. Trust me, chemistry is way more fun than just someone who just looks like a pin-up.

>>33811573 (OP)
Does anyone here have experience with married women? Like next door neighbor type of thing. There's strong sexual tension between us, she seems eager every time she sees me and I'll take it as a sign to make a move. She's a solid bombshell Russian MILF (for her body type, think something close to Angela White). But there's the husband and her kids in the picture. So I have exercised restraint, but she's so damn hot. Has it ever worked out for anyone bros?

>>33838071
Also, there's a case when a woman has given your body the "eye" when she's checking you out and she's really hungry, she turns her had and thinks you won't notice, and you just know she wants to have sex, this is that kinda thing. Happened several times with MILFs I'd have loved to, but I never capitalized on it. This is another one of those opportunities, but it comes with way more risk.

How do I sex? I tried it the first time, but I got bored. I like kissing/cuddling. But sex is too, I don't know, violent/aggressive for me, and I feel like I'm phoning it in and thus, I get bored.
Should I jerk myself a bit when she's wet AND THEN go in?

I'm good at getting women, AMA - I'll give advice and respond

ALSO NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU ARE AT GETTING WOMEN, YOU CAN STILL FUCK UP AND SIMP
STAY WOKE

>>33838334
>I'm good at getting women, AMA - I'll give advice and respond

Okay so what are my options beyond dating apps and social events/meeting girls through friends?
I feel like flirting with girls while they are working, reading or with their friends is out. What am I meant to be doing? I feel like I should be looking to see if anyone is looking at me.

>>33836640
I'm not playing your game. You need to learn to read better if you don't get me. That is your fault not mine. I take the effort to understand what people are talking about, not question the other person's sanity, which is rude. You either like my advice or you don't, simple as that. From here on out I'll take questions like this as rhetorical, an attempt to get a rise out of, and possibly hazing.

I fumbled a girl and the pain of regret is killing me.

I think it boiled down to inexperience, though she was in the military (they never tell you right away) and deploying in a few months so I could see why she ghosted me despite showing so much interest. I know it's naive, but she seemed like my dream girl, and I know theres a lot that I didnt know, but I genuinely wanted to get to know her, I really liked just spending time with her. Like I wasnt even thinking of sex or how attractive I found her, I just liked the way I felt when I was with her, I never experienced that before. Should I have told her that instead of being non chalant?

I guess it wasnt meant to be, and I will never know the true reason why, but how can I start moving on so this doesnt drag on? Ive been on other dates since it happened but the pain is still there like someone drove a spear through my stomach

>>33838538
>she was in the military
strike one
>they never tell you right away
not my experience. jarfags can't wait to tell you
>t. military brat
>i really liked just spending time with her
right but that's what friends are for anon. if she really didn't tell you, then that's 100% on her, but also understand that jarfags who regularly get moved around are kind of calloused to sudden departures and forget how much that hurts civilians
>how can i start moving on?
by having a social life such that you don't have the opportunity to lament it much.

>>33811573 (OP)
recently noticed i've gotten considerably more attractive (people staring/taking second looks, my friends saying i'm good-looking, cute women i would have ruled out before flirting and giving me numbers unprompted, etc.) over the past year or so. this is after spending half of college wallowing in self-pity /r9k/-style, btw.
am i lucky? sure. but i'm also very ill-equipped to play the role of "attractive young man" and more or less walk around trying to abate the self-consciousness of the ugly/social outcast kid i was growing up. i can fake it till i make it but at some point and time i feel like i'll break somewhere and reveal some massive wellspring of insecurity and ruin everything...
without going into redpill cringe shit how do i get over this?

>>33838562
Well i found out on the date but I had to pry a bit, she acted weird about it and kinda lied saying she was a flight attendant when really she was part of a transport crew or something.
>right but that's what friends are for anon
Well, I should enjoy the company of the person I choose to date right? I was just in awe for a bit and Im not explaining well, we did have lots of physical contact and it was the best kiss ive ever had, she even bit my lip as we pulled away, it was intense.
>by having a social life such that you don't have the opportunity to lament it much.
How much? Just keep going until I start to lose interest? Ive never been social, thats why Im here, but I get out once a week with some friends, grad school is killing my free time though. Ive got tons of hobbies, im playing 2 shows with my band the next few weeks, im at my limit with stuff to do, and its not helping. Im just too stressed I guess...

I was hanging with the boys and they started shitting on guys who like women who act like men and like games/manlier hobbies. Tomboys have always been my type, is that wrong? They were basically saying these guys were closeted fags and pussies. I was planning on a date with a childhood friend who wears beer shirts and backwards hats, and is into girls too, is that just a bad idea?

>>33838932
>I was planning on a date with a childhood friend who wears beer shirts and backwards hats, and is into girls too
That’s called a lesbian

>>33838932
I lived around a women's college for some time and not only do I know very well the lesbians you're asking for, I know you wouldn't stand three months with one.

>>33839289
I mean that doesn't really help or address my question, can you explain why? I don't think a true lesbian would want to go out on a date with a guy and have "wants kids" in her profile but I could be wrong.

>>33838932
Why do you care about any other loser's opinions? Your life is your own, do whatever you feel is right

>>33838585
Probably the wrong general to ask this in. But honestly this sounds like self esteem issues you should talk to a therapist about though.

>>33838932
Depends on how they embody tomboyhood. If they present super masculine and act their hardest to be like one of the guys, theyre probably try hards and it could indicate something funny under the surface. If they seem secure in their femininity but enjoy guy activities then theyre probably safer.

Hurry, help me.

I met this girl at a cafe, she was VERY talkative, giggily but maybe a little shy.
I got her number, and she's only here for another day. she responds fast, I asked her to come to me at 9pm she responded
>thats tough, I might be able to walk in the park tomorrow after lunch

I dont have time after lunch. We had this subtextual thing about tips, she was really on it, eventually saying she liked the big tip I gave her. Should I say
>too bad, I have a special big tip to give you tonight.

I had 2 girls come to my place with little effort before, one travelling 1 hour to me, another just 10 minutes. this girl would be 30 minutes

>>33840740
She would ask me questions but then talk over me, she seemed very nervous and I was quite calm. I left first to go to work.

>>33840745
>>33840740
I said
>too bad, I wont have time to give you my special big tip then
I'm happy I can even have the confidence to fuck around like this. I couldn't imagine texting a girl this 5 years ago. I am pretty sure this won't work but it makes me laugh.

>>33840820
Why did you even ask for advice then?

>>33840917
Bragging about how shameless he is
Imagine meeting a guy at a cafe, he seems nice, instantly talks about the tip of his penis
God I wish I was a girl

>>33841129
Yeah, thats a good thing. Better to shoot your shot and hail mary it than to fag around with "friendship first" or unironic "coffee dates" like the usual pussy whipped "nice guy"

>>33811742
This line never fails.
>"Hey mama wanna ride my pogo stick? Wink wink"

Should I just take the hagpill? I'm 31 and matching with 32 year old women was more. I want kids though, at least 3.

Realistically, what are the amount of matches an average to slightly above average guy can get with a decent profile? I've been getting couple of matches a week on both bumble and tinder since I remade an account with better pics but 90% of my matches ghost after a couple of messages.

Is this type of experience different for 7-8 guys who are not supermodel tier but more attractive?

>>33841647
>Is this type of experience different for 7-8 guys who are not supermodel tier but more attractive?
You're getting more matches than most fellas out there 7-8 will get more than you but not by that much supermodels get likes about as much as the average woman does.

>>33841647
I got like 20 on my first day then like 1 or 2 a day after that.

>>33838290
Please help, we tried again and I simply was not hard. I'm wondering if I'm like a girl, where I need a lot of foreplay before I get hard. I'm going to take Viagra like a bitch and fuck her today at least, but for the future I need my dick to stay erect.

a classmate's friend approached me, asked for my number and wanted to meet. we met, she asked if i wanted to see each other again and i agreed. since that moment she never accepted any date i offered her for some reason. she talked to me at school and even kissed me goodbye on a cheek, yet wouldnt interact with me more. from what signals i got she was clearly interested yet no matter what i proposed she was always negative. eventually she started replying after days, weeks and we dont talk anymore. at school she scarcely said hi and thats it. i just dont get where i made the mistake and of course she insisted i have done nothing wrong.

>>33842341
(follow up) i have to add that she had time to meet with her other friends. was she just cruel and using me for validation (that she can attract)?

>>33811573 (OP)
is tinder and other slop still viable? im decent looking and 6ft, in a 40k city

I am 24 khv, am good looking and very physically fit. For context my entire life revolves around skiing and mountain biking, and I have been working physical labour for 7 years. My problem is I am basically a recluse despite my lifestyle (actually my lifestyle promotes this believe is or not). I am not interested in casual sex, I want a wife. How do I put my self in situations where finding a wife is possible. I think I am also afraid of having sex with any one who is not going to be with me forever. I fear the ideal person is to niche to exist, and my standards for a life partner might be to high.

Do not date a woman who no matter what is gonna be negative.

>20, cs student, shy af, khhv, can talk to others mostly pretty ok in group work and stuff, not depressed, kinda friendly(I think), called handsome a couple of times (all by 50+ yo women so idk)

There's a girl in my CS class that I like a lot, look good, is very kind, kinda funny, try to include my opinion during group work a couple of times. She's actually so fine that for the first 4 week of class I just assume she had a bf so i just ignore her (idk if she has 1 tho). We made eye contact once (not during convo just across class) and in the 2 group work after that she waves at me and call my name during group convo. My gut is telling me she's kinda interested but it has been wrong before. Planning to confess after the big last project but before final exam. I have her phone num and discord but it's for group work so I don't really want to confess that way.
Am i delusional/dumb for thinking I have a chance? Like I want to marry her (even though I barely know her wtf)
>Background I found of her
>Cute, like very
>Confident, speak loud and clear (including body language)
>Can't find ig or other social media (I'm not good at this)
>Found her linkedIn
>Master Carver of a bbq for 3 years or somehting
>Around my age
>CS student with 3.5 gpa
>Has AWS internship with a bunch of AWS certification
>Play Valorant and Peak before school year (I'm not a gamer)
>Answer in a discussion board that she like eating out, with friends, attached with a pic of eating hot pot with all the girls
>Chill with anime, maybe idk seems like the type?

Verdict? help? am I mentally ill?

>>33839536
Idk if it's self esteem so much as it is now I'm in all these social situations I have no context for and am guessing when I navigate them, which in turn is hurting my image in a new way I haven't adapted to. I don't approach women because for the most part I knew how they would have responded to me before and that kind of ruins the fun, not because I think I'm unattractive now, I guess. But now girls are talking to me and I can't just eject button, but they're expecting me to have social skills I lack.

I've made small talk with this older woman who works at the grocery I go to for the past year and tonight she gave me her number on my receipt and told me to call her if I want someone to talk to. She was married for 15 years but is divorced now and been single for 3 years. I've never even attempted to flirt with her but she has asked me if I was single and has told me that I'm good looking. Am I correct in assuming that she wants to fuck? What the fuck do I do? She's in her late 40s and I'm a 26 year old virgin. I've never even been on a date with a woman before.

There was a girl in Aldi that nearly ran into me. She was cute, how would I turn this into a pickup if I had confidence? I need to lose like 34 more lbs before I even dream of such bold action.

>>33842829
sounds like it, are you attracted to her?

>>33833603
This post is hilarious. I was only able to show her my cynical side, I wasn't getting much sleep and working constantly when we met, actually homeless too.
>>33833576
>obviously looking for nothing but fun
You know, she accused me of this and not actually loving her after she told me she loved me.

I think she was potentially projecting to me. She had mentioned a few things about me being a manwhore, like "you probably fuck all the girls you meet without a condom" "You've had sex with about 30 women right?" "I will check if you gave me aids when I return to my country" and "I would never have your babies haha" Which made be feel like a dirty slut myself, I think she was joking for some of them, but I really wanted to be taken seriously by her, not just used as a male fuckdoll.

Sure, I was delusional, but I needed love and a home and she showed me kindness and tenderness. I really don't see having sex without love as fun. I really wished every time I pumped her full of my cum that she would get pregnant. I'm getting old and she was my ideal, my dream type woman, and I was telling myself I could turn her from total slutdom in her 20's. She was 20, I was mid-30's.

Why does this make me sound like a woman? I've spent years fucking women without intending on anything with them. I'm tired of it.

>>33842832
>how would I turn this into a pickup if I had confidence?
It takes a change of mindset where any and everything is an excuse to chat up and flirt. You can just beam a smile at an encounter like that and say something like “well aren’t you cute”.

>>33842856
…cont. i saw a guy walk into a sandwich shop, and right when he came in he said to a girl sitting there, “mmm, damn girl, you’re chocolatey”. As he was walking out he get her number then left.

>>33842864
Was she black

>>33842864
>…cont. i saw a guy walk into a sandwich shop
>t.

>>33842937
They were probably both black. black women are all sluts anyway and smell like horse pussy

>>33811573 (OP)
>IGNORE the posters who complain, give up, or insist there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute.
Can't you find a less inflamatory way of putting it than "pollute"? It implies that you have a need to insult them and it feels very passive aggreesive, literal women's behavior.

You guys don't need to meet women, you ARE the women!

>>33842864
Yeah but a woman who responds well to that is a dog and I wouldn't want.

>>33842341
>>33842348
Don't read into it that much. It sucks but you have to accept that some people are shitheads and trying to analyze why is counterproductive. Shrug it off and move on.

>>33842589
Your hobbies fo translate to social settings, especially skiing unless you do solo backcountry runs or something. Rizzing up ski bunnies should be easy, and the season is coming soon.

>>33842754
Honestly sounds enticing. Definitely shoot your shot, you'll be kicking yourself if you miss this chance. You dont have to come out and say you love her, just ask her to hang out some time and do an activity that you know you both would enjoy and go from there

>>33842766
How did you suddenly become attractive? People dont just spontaneously turn into handsome young men.
It seems like you became more self aware than anything.

>>33843032
Yeah the problem is I dont do these sports in very social settings. I am generally doing solo backcountry missions

>>33842968
...aaaaaaaaaand nobody took the bait

I'm the anon from >>33822747
update:
>second date with gook
>goes alright
>dm after to set up another hangout
>"yeah suree!"
>two days later
>notice ghost icon on IG
>blocked me

I really would like to know why. She'll be at an art fair this Saturday, should I pop in?

>>33844519
Absolutely not

>>33844519
>She'll be at an art fair this Saturday, should I pop in?

Sure, why not add a restraining order to your temporary embarrassment?

Look, you bored her. You hung out with her numerous times, didn't make a move on her, barely talked. Also you're racist. There can be infinite reasons "why." Why doesn't really matter because the message is clear.

You're not the first or last person to fumble. Move on to someone you can actually have a conversation with that you don't casually refer to with slurs.

>>33844603
>>33844551
I know I know, what is done is done. just would like to know why, that's all.

Good thing I have another date on monday, with a national.

>>33844811
See >>33843023

>>33811727
Well, I got hit on by a hot girl recently
Yesterday we fucked pretty hard
Is this how it feels to be Chad ?

>>33841647
Similar situation for me
Luckily I don't have to rely on dating apps any longer
Found a nice girl at a sports course

Also been nice knowing ya folks, since yesterday I've been in the club of sex-havers

>>33844945
>sport girl
See you soon bro

>>33841647
I can get around 3-5 matches a day
and I am max a 6.5-7 and have ok pictures

but i live in a big city
I think it depends on the population

>match with some OF whore that wants to make content
Am I retarded for considering this?

>>33811573 (OP)
95% of women on dating apps be like

> I love travelling
> I love going drinking with friends at the bar on the week-end
> I love netflix and chill

I mean it's okay bu i don't really care about travelling and Netflix in my life ffs

>>33845342
you are being scammed retard

>>33845375
>Interests: Shopping, travel, live music, sushi, ice-cream, beach

Sickening, isn't it?

>>33845431
> "And also... I LOVE MY CATS THEY'RE LIKE MY CHILDREN"

>>33845428
What's the scam?

>>33845375
I love travelling to shitty small towns in forgotten parts of America because it's an escape from the internet/consumption-centric life we've built for ourselves.
Tbdesu my prize above prizes is a mountain town road trip gf.

>>33845525
That’s not what chicks mean when they say they love to travel.

>>33845542
I know. It's sad.

I don't know how attractive i am.
I also know beauty standards are different in western vs eastern countries.
For example i live in a post soviet shithole where most attractive and able bodied men died years ago in conflicts.
So men in general are less attractive here compared to men in western europe and US.
But even here I don't have much success. Reddit and 4chan have rated me 5-7 range so i guess im just average to slightly above.
I know im no chad nor model tier but SURELY there is something about my face that is offputing to these women who ghost me in a heartbeat...
I really want to know where I belong.
Most of my matches are asian women. Thicc white girls with the occasional skinny 7/10 thrown in.
I don't even want to know how bad It would be in any of those Western countries.

>>33845752
Yeah, I feel you. I get a lot of distance with MENA/brown girls, oddly enough, and some flavors of white women. Never Asian, Latina, or black.
The more you look at people, and specifically happy couples, the more you realize there isn't some objective scale for attractiveness. You can't autistically count someone's flaws or proportions or what have you to get some clean ranking. I've found some "ugly" girls quite cute and think internet baddies aren't attractive at all. A number of women have chosen me over people I would have chosen over myself.
Safest thing for you to do is just to be happy knowing you /can/ be attractive to an audience you like. You cleared the plebbit and 4chan bars. Why worry about what sets you apart from a fucking model?

Why do I keep getting older women liking me on apps, like 10+ years difference?

They all have long term relationship listed, do they really think thatll work with someone so much younger? I definitely want to bang them, but Im 29 and dont want to date someone seriously thats 40 because, how the fuck does that even work?

Do I just staight up ask why theyre liking me? I assume theyre desperate, or are looking for a side fwb while they try and find "the one"

>yesterday
>ask her out for friday
>"i might be be busy but i'll let you know tmrw"
>today
>9pm and still havent heard from her
>text her to know if she's free or not
>"yeah no lol i'm out for dinner"
>ask her if we can postpone to sunday evening (we had already ruled saturday out for reasons)
>"yeah sure!"*flexed arm emoji*
she doesnt give a shit does she?

>>33846819
She made other plans after you asked her first then lol'd @you instead of apologising or trying to reschedule and you still begged her for another chance?
Dont text her again m8, please.

>>33845465
You're assuming it's just the chick involved, which is dangerous. What if she has a pimp?

Give it to me straight bros, it just not possible to get a pear shaped gf for a regular autist like me, is it? I work out and am kinda above twink fit, Im kinda attractive with a sharp jaw, and I work in finance and make 110k. But even if I do happen to find and or match with a girl with huge boobs and hips, my social skills are worse than aids. Is it over for me or do I just keep grinding money so I can find a gold digger because my confidence is literally negative?
>>33846819
Sorry bro, time to move on.

>>33823921
Yeah its brutal

If you have to approach it's already over for you, women will approach men they actually like themselves

>>33845525
The problem with small town gf is shes probably fucked all the other dudes her age in said town

>>33823921
>24
>on lunch break at sushi place
>waitress is early 30s alt girl
>restaurant is dead quiet
>leans in whispering about the menu less than a foot from my ear
>warm fuzzy feeling activated so hard i almost melted
I probably wouldve barked or licked her shoes if she asked me

>>33847280
They all smell weird no thanks

>>33825215
if she were shutting it down she wouldn't have replied

>>33847280
damn in her 30s and still doing the "alt" shit huh bitch needs to grow up

How long do you wait to delete a match after no reply? I think 48hrs is enough.

>>33846982
i forgot a (important?) detail, after rejecting friday's date she proposed to meet next week.
i'm not mad bc we won't see each other tmrw, she had told me immediately she might not have been available but i'm really bothered by the fact i had to text her to ask a confirmation when she promised she would have updated me today.

i dont get it, she seemed so interested when we texted yesterday, even asking me details on where i was and willingly trying to extend the conversation

>>33847280
>I probably wouldve barked or licked her shoes if she asked me
Too much estrogen imbalance

>>33847113
Sounds like you need more practice talking to women and also probably need to reprogram yourself from putting them on pedistals

>>33847587
I just move them to hidden, that way I have a record of the amount of times ive successfully matched for an ego boost

>>33847688
There are a thousand reasons why she might have not replied sooner, overanalyzing it doesnt help anything. Also as you said she was engaging in conversation and proposed meeting up next week, so those on their own are 2 good signs instead of the one bad sign that she didn't update you.
Seriously stop overthinking this and let her completely ghost you before drawing conclusions. She's still in the running

Where the hell is a 25 year old suppose to go after work to socialize or something.

>>33848054
>Seriously stop overthinking this and let her completely ghost you before drawing conclusions. She's still in the running
thank you i really needed to hear that.
i'm usually a stoic man but my complete inexperience with women turned this days into an emotional rollercoaster, i was on cloud nine when she agreed to date and gave me her phone number and i almost burst out crying for the fact shw hadnt updated me on time.
i got to calm down and wait for sunday evening, the situation will definitely get clearer irl

First text, idk what I’m doing but she’s cute and from a near by uni. What do I do?

Long story short, girl I wanted to get with was oblivious to this fact, one of my boys told her and now she wants to hang out, we might be able to chill this weekend, what can I do to seal the deal?

If you truly love a woman, you will not be desperate for her.

>>33848139
Boomer advice that's been said a million times, but just go do shit, doesn't matter what, as long as you actually are there because you at least half enjoy it. It's a bit like the PUA shit in that you're gonna strike out 99 times out of 100. I get the impression that a lot of anons are actually somehow bigger social fuck-ups than me. I strike up conversations with random fuckers all the time because i don't pretend i got better things to do than shoot the shit.

Vast majority of the time it will be some guy in his 50's you don't relate to, but if you're in the habit of talking to random people like it's a soviet bus stop, you'll be able to talk to women fine. From there it's just expressing an interest early enough to not be some friend that sprung the question, but not so soon you sound like a horny drunk.

>>33846819
You knew it was over from the 3rd line of your post, you're just hoping one of us proves you wrong.

Sorry man.

>>33823921
>In food court
>Eating food with female friend
>Vendor women comes up and starts trying to sell us (me) romantically implicative trinkets
>Friend looks flustered
>I buy one out of guilt, woman looked pathetic

Made me wonder just how many people think we're a couple when we hang out, she didn't seem that bothered by the idea either

>>33845375
>asian girl profile
>boba

I matched with a girl and I can't stop feeling like this is all a ruse. There's no way a woman likes talking to me. It's got to be some poor cia agent having to pretend to be a cute girl and I'm about to be recruited to do terrorist acts or whatever.

>>33848681
'she' is going to gaslight you into committing felonies
it is to achieve various law enforcement quotas
'they' even do this shit at churches and schools so yeah
don't know what to tell you man

what are the chances she is still promiscuous even tho she doesn't have pics in bikini or revealing clothes on social media?

I overheard some guys at a bar talking, and one of them said
>yeah I basically always cheat ever since my ex did it to me. It's inevitable and at least I always have an ace in the hole to rub in their faces when that happens
then the next guy was like 'welp, beggars can't be choosers'

Are men really like this?

>>33832040
Nothing special I just fuck escorts and buy drugs on darknet, this is my "dark side" I guess but not sure if that could turn on any woman desu

It's literally such a fucking random thing to get a girlfriend. The odds decrease when your standards go up, too. Like you can tell maybe this or that girl wants to fuck you but you think you've already fallen for that trap again and you're chasing your last really good relationship so now the chances are even lower.
There's the theory you meet someone every 6 months. I guess it's the case for me, if I look back the past 2-3 years, at the end of a 3 year relationship I had a quick, sexless, just makeout fling with a hottie, moved away, and about 6 months later had a fling and fucked with a black girl (too easy, doesn't really fit), a few months later fucked another one and used her a few more times. Then I had a couple weird ass LDRs from /soc/, girls who would send me nudes and sext me. then almost a year later I get this 18 year old who becomes my gf for 2 years, I still date around behind her back but don't get any luck until a year later with another black girl I fucked a few times, then, FINALLY FOR THE FIRST FUCKING TIME, I kiss 2 white girls and then get a white GF for a few months before she breaks my heart.
I guess if I look at it, compared to my early 20's where I hop from relationship to relationship every year, I"m more promiscuous, but I really wish I could have kept that last gf, the white girl, as a white guy I dont know why its so fucking hard. I have battle scars from all these colored folk.

rant over, got it off my chest. im a chad, why am I here, etc..

Honestly black girls dont count as a win, I'd argue it's the same with yellows or browns too. I only flirt with white women now.

>>33848828
My pattern is:
>Breakup or get dumped
>Feel frustrated and can't find anyone to fuck or date me
>This lasts about 3-4 months and then I find someone to sleep with but I find them annoying
>Suddenly snowballs and I have 4-5 girls to choose from all of them not up to my dating standard but I hit them up in rotation whenever I feel like fucking
>Eventually find someone I want to date
>Begin neglecting my career
>They dump me or I dump them
>The cycle retarts

Honestly it feels like I am avoiding learning a lesson at this point. Am I meant to be ignoring the siren song or something? Not to get all psychadelic about it, but it does make me wonder.

>>33848424
Come on fellas, anyone?

>>33848896
Kiss her or you lose

>>33848252
>no I meant in person lol. Lets grab coffee or something
Ez pz

>>33848424
>>33848896
Lmao its been 6 hours, and i was asleep. If you do hang out you need to be pretty clear that you want to date her. Also be prepared that she might just want to test the water and not want to date you in return.

>>33848534
Ive had stuff like this happen when im with my sister which is weird since she just looks like a female version of me and it should be obvious

>>33848681
Just be yourself

>>33848851
>get dumped
>find a rebound
>end the rebound and just become a slut
Sounds very healthy, you need therapy and/or Jesus

>>33848941
But she doesn’t know me, shouldn’t I try to build more rapport first?

>>33848992
I guess what is the context of this message thread? Is it a dating app or did you flirt with her IRL and get her number? If so then absolutely do not bore her by building rapport, ask her out ASAP.

>>33848945
I don't wanna date though

How do i get past the small talk stage? Like, I'll match with a girl and come up with a halfassed excuse for conversation and maybe we'll talk for a couple hours but I don't know what to do next.

>>33849124
You ask her out ffs how many times does this have to be posted in these threads for you idots to learn

>>33849070
Nope, random instagram girl, we have a ton of mutuals though

>>33811573 (OP)
Are there books on woman stereotypes to look for and analyze

>>33849330
OK in that case still try to insert yourself into her social circle but you dont have to come out the gates asking her on a date.
>is there a Japanese club or anything youre a part of? I need people to practice with irl haha.

>>33836580
>i was very near blackout the entire time i talked to her and i remember like two details about her.
nonnies how do I navigate this? I feel like I'm so much better drunk and I'll just end up disappointing. I'm already going into it with zero emotional commitment but I don't want to embarrass myself on a Friday afternoon

>>33849337
It's called building your own database

>>33849474
>zero emotional commitment
>still worried about embarassment
Thats disparate as fuck lmao. You either do or do not have stakes here. Pick which one you want to be true and commit to it, and be yourself.

>message girl and answer prompt question she has, ask what about her
>doesnt answer, just responds oooo ok cool
I shouldve ignored that shit huh? Do I just change the subject, or is it low interest and I fucked up so I just dont say anything else?

>Let your intentions known right away
>Don't be afraid to call her out if she's flaky, a bitch, playing games, or leading you along
>Don't be afraid to cut them off or refuse to engage further

Dating truly is that simple. You're either talking to an adult whom you can express your thoughts or you're talking to a child. You tell her right away what your schedule is, what you expect from her, etc... Your rules. If she is not down you move on.

>>33849922
Those who try to play their game or by some arbitrary rules is bound to get used up, dates that don't go anywhere and end up disappointed.

>>33849851
>Do I just change the subject
You can try, very unlikely to do a damn thing though

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>>33848959
I mean, what is the alternative? Dating someone I feel ambivalent about? I've already done that. It's like eating an ice-flavoured snowcone.