Thread 33834071

>>33834071 (OP)
haha yeah. if only we were born average. at least we get some pretty cool muscles out of it, right anon?

>>33834071 (OP)
You just have to be lean. That's it. People often post pics of women just having to be lean but it's quite literally the same for men. I got so much access when I leaned out.

>>33834101
I agree that being lean is a near prerequisite for being attractive, but if your bone structure is shit you'll still look ugly even if you're lean.

>>33834115
I agree, but having irredeemable bone structure is incredibly rare. I haven't seen a woman with irredeemable bone structure this whole year for the record. You have to be legitimately medically recessed in the face, which again is incredibly rare.

Success begets success. If you got experience in highschool then you had the experience to succeed in uni and if you succeed in uni you'll succeed as an adult. They also had to learn along the way, they just learned as they went. They did an apprenticeship in getting pussy, faggots like you and me OP did an honours degree. If you ever have children make sure you give them advice so they don't end up like the two of us. I know I will.

>>33834071 (OP)
and some of us do
you gonna cry up and wallow in self-pity forever, or are you going to fucking do something about it?
life isnt fair, no fucking shit, get over it

>>33834071 (OP)
They do now.

>>33834101
Inaccurate. That's merely gate #1. The first prerequisite that's actually within your control. There's a bunch that aren't.

>>33834747
Man you're stupid.
You treat other men like shit for a crisis they didn't even cause, and weren't at the levers of power to prevent.
And you think toughtalking it up will be their salvation. You're yelling at the wrong people, retard.
Repeal the 19th. Destroy family court.

>>33834129
>but having irredeemable bone structure is incredibly rare.
Uh.
>I haven't seen a woman with irredeemable bone structure this whole year for the record
We weren't talking about men's standards for women, we were talking about the exact opposite.
Do understand how little it takes, for a woman to write a man off FOREVER at first glance?

>>33834071 (OP)
Don't they? Most of what you fags call le self-improvement are just part of growing up that most normal guys are doing quietly in the background without you (or even themselves) realizing it. It's only you guys who wake up one day in the middle of your 20s or 30s and have that realization that you've done nothing and are now up the creek that are facing this seemingly insurmountable hurdle. And it's really not even insurmountable then, you just have to get out of your own way and get started.
>>33836133
Anon you've never talked to a woman so you can stop worrying about no fault divorce laws any time now, and women being able to vote is not what caused your problems. Women didn't get together and vote for you to have done nothing with your life that would make them want you, you chose that yourself.

>>33836143
Bad reply. Everything you said to me was wrong.
You're the reason this board never helps anyone.

>>33834101
more important than being lean is being taller (not necessarily tall)
As long as you are 15cm taller than the girl you want to pursue you'll have the opportunity to court her

but very true that if you want to make your face as attractive as possible (good for when you take pictures) then being lean is essential

>>33836147
So what part was wrong?
You know more about what people have done behind the scenes to improve themselves than they do, is that your closing statement then?

>>33836148
>As long as you are 15cm taller than the girl you want to pursue you'll have the opportunity to court her
Not with online dating being the standard you won't.

You people have been saying the same thing for literal decades and the problem has gotten so much worse in so short a time that even the dating sites have been abandoned.
>Well, wait, if dating sites are abandoned then doesnt that mean it's back to the normal methods again?
I'm not saying you thought this. But someone out there, will.
And no.
Horrifically, no.

>>33836156
>So what part was wrong?
All.
Now, don't expect me to really converse with you after you IMMEDIATELY poisoned the well. Retard.

>>33836157
>And no.
>Horrifically, no.
NTA, but explain.
So you're saying people don't date people from irl OR online now? What other third option is there?

>>33836157
>Not with online dating being the standard you won't.
well in that case then height matters less
just have a good haircut, be lean and muscular and hire a photographer
and you'll get a date

things completely within your control

>>33836161
>don't expect me to really converse with you
Oh no, not that! Anyway, moving on...

>>33836163
>So you're saying people don't date people from irl OR online now?
Yeah it's become a pretty big story and I'm constantly surprised by how many people haven't heard.
>What other third option is there?
Third option? It's done.
Japan has been ahead of the curve on these things for awhile now. Anything that happens to us, already happened to them about 15-20 years in advance. And they didn't figure out a solution either.

And now for this retard:
>>33836166
They're filtering by height to begin with. So you have to lie to get where they can even see you, and after that, your face is under the highest scrutiny imaginable. They will discard you from the deck for the slightest of feels.
Your own actual charisma has absolutely no pull here. If your strengths lie elsewhere, too fucking bad. Genetics genetics genetics.
A good haircut doesn't do dick. Especially if you're balding, which becomes extremely common starting at 30. "Be lean and muscular" the only thing you can really control in the short term won't change your face, hair, height, lineage, family safety net, social standing. (I will not get into how being single keeps you from moving up in this caste system, but it does)

And as I said ALREADY.
THE DATING SITES HAVE ALL BEEN ABANDONED. For reason you should already know, and somehow don't.
Why would anyone listen to you? You don't do any listening to what's happened.

>>33836185
More hysterical doomerism.
People will always want to meet, to date, to have sex, and to have companionship. If the dating app bubble has burst, that just means people will go back to doing it the normal way. It does not magically mean that people will give up their own innate need for sex and companionship.
>b-but MUH JAPAN
Nigga who gives a fuck, that's a different culture in a different situation. There are no le herbivore men occurring in the west, at least not naturally.

>>33836185
>(I will not get into how being single keeps you from moving up in this caste system, but it does)
Please get into it. I want to be blackpilled even more than I already am and have more reason to ldar/bedrot

>>33836185
so you're saying that the biggest issue today is the low pool of available people who will even give you a chance
and the reason for this is beyond your control

now let's say that for every 1 girl on the dating app there are 5-10 guys
so most girls will pick the top 10 guys, and out of those 10 guys the guy who isn't a complete creep will get a date
so your ideal would be to be in the top 10% basically of guys in the app in terms of social value
(all things which can be portrayed with pictures with simple manipulation and effort)

these are all things completely within your control
now let's say there are literally 0 women in the dating apps (not true)
where would those girls be?
IRL, and what's all that matters in real life
is the portrayal of social value and the acquisition of power

now this is hard when you're ugly, but ugliness in guys is a choice. you choose to not get a haircut or trim your eyebrows, or improve your fashion.
you choose to not be leaner more muscular
you choose not to improve your charisma
all of things which are directly corelated to the portrayal of social status

anyway, the complain is that you will never get anyone above your league, and that is 100% facts
you jsut have to aim for uglier bitches

As with ALL self improvement shit, whether it be lifting, "NoFap", PUA - simply ask yourself...

Does Chad have to do ANY of this shit...?

Remember when you were 13 and all the girls in your class were dating college guyss?
Do you think those guys were depressed and low energy, until one day they decided to stop fapping and go to bed at 10pm?
Do you think they were lonely and had no friends until they went out and approached random strangers in public trying to build up a social circle out of nothing? (just fucking lol at this)
Do you think they were ugly virgins, until one day they got a haircut and started "lifting"?

You have places FULL of guys "improving themselves", whether it be through lifting, "NoFap", or PUA. There's /fit/, reddit's /r/NoFap, other dedicated forums, threads on 4chan and what do they all have in common? NONE OF THE GUYS ACTUALLY GET ANY RESULTS. It's hilarious in a way, these guys talk about "hitting new milestones" and how many days they've gone without masturbating, b-but... where are the gfs? Where... where's ANYTHING besides sexual frustration?

The above is really just ranting, it can be summarized in 5 words:
Slayers are born not made.

>>33836147
You're the reason fags like OP exist. Take your faggy ass doomer bullshit and jump off a roof.
>Noooo there's nothing that can be done! I've tried literally nothing and it's over, it's so unironically over before it even began (it never began because my god I can't actually try anything)

>>33836213
>People will always want to meet, to date, to have sex, and to have companionship
Men do want these things, yes.
>If the dating app bubble has burst, that just means people will go back to doing it the normal way
NOPE.
Didn't happen in Japan.
>It does not magically mean that people will give up their own innate need for sex and companionship.
It will, and there's nothing magical about it.
People will focus on living solo, keeping costs down, and getting a dog.
It really is that simple.

>>33836216
Short version is, no one respects a single man. He's treated like cannon fodder.

>>33836217
>DUDE JUST LIE
>LIE AND CATFISH
>FOR THE MOST SHALLOW WOMEN THIS EARTH HAS EVER SEEN
>AND THEN
>EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE AFTER THAT

>ugliness in guys is a choice
Oh dear god.
That was too stupid to read past.

Guys you gotta get off /adv/
It's swarming with people like this.
They don't know what the fuck they're talking about, and they've always been here. I haven't visited this place in like 10 years.

>>33836221
>Slayers are born not made.
false, i personally have a group of friends who started as CS nerds, balding, no gfs ever in their lifes and within three years have dozens of lays under their belt one is married and the other is single by choice
I too went 28 eyars without a single date and withing a year of improving myself gotten a long term relationship that I could marry when I want but will not

>>33836229
These feelgood stories always lack details.

Because they're lies.
Or.
Leaving out a detail so vital, it's a half-truth tantamount to a lie.

>>33836231
what facts do you want bro.
literally, just started working out got lean and took some pictures and within the span of a year went from virgin to getting laid like 5 times.
the whole time listening to actual slayers advice

the real question is what have you done to improve your position? just complaining?
how has that worked out for you

>>33836221
>Does Chad have to do ANY of this shit...?
That's just it retard, Chad always did this shit, like I said way back here >>33836143
Chad always talked to people, made friends, asked girls out, played sports, lifted, got a haircut etc. What you call "Chad" and talk up like some god is just what most people call being normal.
You could have done those things too anon, so what were you doing instead? Oh right, probably doomposting on here and gooning to trap porn. Well, choices do have consequences anon. Another thing normal people usually learn while young.

>>33836235
You didn't even mention where you went.
The most basics of the basics.

When something ACTUALLY happens to you, you're compelled to talk about the meat of it, but you realize "Oh, but before I talk about that, I have to bring up details that seem meaningless now, until an important thing happens later which requires me to have already talked about it."

No one with a true story, does what you just did.
You are just repeating something you heard. You're doing it with good intentions, but you are in fact lying.
And who you heard it from? Were probably just repeated something THEY heard.

>>33836238
No, Chad always had an easy time of it, getting into the groove precisely when he needed to, because people were compelled to help out. Lots and lots of yesmen when you're connected and attractive. They'll glom on, hoping to get a piece of it themselves.
It happened so naturally to him he doesn't even realize it doesn't actually happen that way for other people.

There's a reason the nepobabies of the world are so insanely weird and untrustworthy.

>>33836238
>Another thing normal people usually learn while young.
If your parents divorce and you're not attractive, your odds are probably destroyed right there.

>>33836242
>You didn't even mention where you went.
nope, literally just quit my job, and for 6 months worked out like 5 times a week and dieted.
at the end of the 6 months i took my ass to a major city to look for a job, took pictures and got my ass on bumble
for three months i kept getting like at least a couple dates a week, and sucked ass at it
but after three months of doing it I literally got laid my first time, and for a month straight every date started being successful

my friend had similar story and I met him when i moved, except he was shorter and balder than me
the crucial aspect to this is the acceptance that dating is a skill that requires time and effort to improve and to get yourself in the dating pool you have to be at least trying to be the best version of yourself

>>33836249
>a major city
Again, old hands like me know exactly why you don't just mention the fucking city.

>>33836225
>>33836231
>>33836242
>>33836245
Jesus, it's just layer after layer of spin, deflect, cope, and seethe in all these posts. You are dead set on keeping the other crabs in the bucket with you and it's hilarious, but it also speaks volumes of your constitution and your character.
Just think anon, if you ever just tried a fraction as hard as how hard you cope you could have really done something with your life.

>>33836250
tokyo, bro
any city in the world is the same
all women are the same

>>33836252
I'm dead set on telling them exactly what I actually experienced after I believed you people back in the day.

I am the product of your thesis.

And I'm telling them that they can, and should, find fulfillment elsewhere.
Because dating is so beyond dead.
Only a long, long boycott can do anything to resurrect it.
The spinsters have a such a ways to fall.

>>33836247
>If your parents divorce
Oh? So you think no one with divorced parents had friends or worked out or had a girlfriend or got a haircut?
>and you're not attractive,
Ok, so go after the unattractive girls then. That's your wheelhouse, so operate there. You're not owed having attractive women into you.
If you don't like that, then make yourself more attractive. If you truly cannot make yourself more attractive, then circle back to Step 1. Either way, what's the problem?

>>33836256
Ah there it is.
The vital detail that makes half-truth the same as a fullblown lie.

Are you gonna tell me you're japanese?
Or no?

>>33834071 (OP)
The younger generations are not taking the blackpill very well.

>>33836263
not japanese at all
worked hard to get here
throughout my life it's been proven that with effort you can achieve basically anything
even as a 4chan loser for most of my life

>>33836260
Shut up about haircuts already, holy shit.
10 years ago you would've said "take a shower" which was memed to oblivion.
Everyone takes showers and gets haircuts, stupid.

>>33836268
>gets haircuts, stupid.
but not everyone actually gets a proper hairstyle that suits them or is fashionable
that requires effort

>>33836258
>I'm dead set on telling them exactly what I actually experienced
Ok, yes what YOU experienced. That doesn't matter anon, because you ARE shit and if you think anyone is here to argue that point with you, you're sorely mistaken.
It's something else entirely to extrapolate from there into some universal truth about the concept of dating itself collapsing because no one wants to do it. No nigger, YOU don't want to do it.
>Only a long, long boycott can do anything to resurrect it.
And here's where you slipped up and let your mask drop. You realize what the whole purpose of a boycott is supposed to be right? But I thought you were saying women are uninterested in dating men (because reasons) and especially uninterested in dating you (I agree!)
If you recuse yourself from dating and drop out of the game women will not react by realizing what they've done wrong and hope you come back. They'll just breathe a sigh of relief, if they even notice.

>>33836268
Reread the comment chain, retard.
The haircut thing was in the initial post I responded to, probably made by you even.
Here, I'll spare you the legwork.
>>33836221
>Do you think they were ugly virgins, until one day they got a haircut and started "lifting"?

>>33836267
>not japanese at all
Fucking idiot, that's EXACTLY why you have a better shot than the actual citizens have.
Especially Japan, where they still do proper gatekeeping of migrants. Foreigner = Rich. That's what they think, and why they're giving you a shot.
And they also expected you to whisk them off to a plane of higher social status once you were done fucking them.

You would NEVER be able to do this these days, in your own nation of origin.
You're a passport bro. Nothing more.

>>33836238
>What you call "Chad" and talk up like some god is just what most people call being normal.
being 6ft5, blonde and having a massive cock is "average"?
Well, i guess that in 2025, it is.

I'm 5ft2 btw.

>>33836274
>Ok, yes what YOU experienced. That doesn't matter anon, because you ARE shit and if you think anyone is here to argue that point with you, you're sorely mistaken.
This doesn't work anymore.
Too many other stories that are exactly the same, resonating with way too high a swath of men.

Cut your losses.

>>33836272
I'm bald. What is your advice?

>>33836283
>>33836258
>>33836225
Blackpill bro, what do you think of passport bros?

>>33836293
Expensive. The capital requiring it, is out of reach for young men in the west right now. Especially the youngest.

Not tenable. Don't advise people to do it unless they have wads to smoke like cigars.

>>33836291
trim your eyebrows go to the gym
bald guys still get chicks

>>33836308
But you were making it all about the haircut.
What's this bullshit?

>>33836309
being bald is a hairstyle and not a bad one
good job you chose a good one

>>33836311
It sounds to me like you're using an unfalsifiable claim.

>>33836314
trial and error my guy,
haircut that suits you is a journey you take
and requires external advice
if you're so science and logic guy, why don't you understand that the truth is not within you, but is seeked out and tested

>>33836225
>NOPE.
>Didn't happen in Japan.
Kek, you're a literal stubborn ass.
>NO, NO, YOU'RE WRONG, NO, NO, HEE-HAW, HEE-HAW, HEE-HAW

>>33834071 (OP)
Most mentake the first random 5/10 they meet on accident, proceed to get married, get fat, stop seeing their friends, stop doing things that aren't working or sitting in front of the TV and then wonder where their (sex) life went at 50.
Your idiocy is thinking that life is great just because some rando with a cunt hangs around you. In truth the average guy just takes the path of least resistance.
>>33834101
This
>>33836129
>>33836148
Incel cope. Just sit and rot away then, but shut the fuck up and stop pretending this is anything more than you being effeminate pansies who are scared of girls.

>>33836157
>that graph

Wow its almost as if something happened in 2020 that lead to every place where you could meet IRL getting shut down and thus force people into online dating. What could that have been , I wonder?
>33836185
>I'm constantly surprised by how many people haven't heard.
because its just more lame incel cope taht has zero bearing in the life of anyone who is remotely normal. In fact they will scratch their heads and remember the ONS they pulled form the bar last night, then conclude that you are full of shit.

>>33836592
>Wow its almost as if something happened in 2020 that lead to every place where you could meet IRL getting shut down and thus force people into online dating. What could that have been , I wonder?
Yes that was the final nail for meeting in real life, the last people who hadn't touched online apps before, then did. And they never looked back.
They're all poisoned now.

>>33836667
>Yeah THAT'S what it is! Awww shucks :( woe is me

My god it's never ending with you people?? Enjoy the basement/attic

>>33836690
You can dismiss this when the statistics start improving, instead of constantly worsening, year after year.
Gen Y had bad odds, Gen Z has no odds.

>>33836702
>statistics statistics statistics
When was the last time you went outside and talked to a woman?

>>33836720
Yes.
Statistics, statistics, statistics.
The communists couldn't out-poetry the math, and neither can you.

>>33836678
I mean you're dropping the bog standard copypasted incel talking points, so what else am I supposed to call you?

>>33836667
>And they never looked back.
Since the end of lockdowns, online dating apps are hemorraging users to the point where Match.Incs stock nowawadays only knows the downward curve.
Everyone I met who was forced to use these things by lockdowns was so glad about not having to engage with that shit anymore at the end of covid, its unbelievable.
You're living a in a hell of your own making, fueled by cowardice and estrogenized faggotry.
Its very important to make clear that this is exclusively a (you) problem, not a problem of society, not aproblem for women, not aproblem fo rthe men who go outside and fuck them, and sure as fuck not a problem of anyone who comes here to ask for advice.

>>33836726
>The communists couldn't out-poetry the math, and neither can you.
When was the last time you went outside and talked to a woman?

>>33836282
>being 6ft5, blonde and having a massive cock is "average"?
Did I say that? Or maybe you think I actually did say that because you think those things are a prerequisite to be baseline normally socially functioning human and therefore that is what I actually meant.
If so that's on you, not me.

>>33836283
>Too many other stories that are exactly the same,
So why am I to cut "my" losses when I have stories that are the exact opposite?

>>33836726
Why didn't you answer his question anon?

>>33836731
>Since the end of lockdowns, online dating apps are hemorraging users
Yeah.
Male users.
They experienced peak-bullshit and they're checking out entirely.

>>33836745
>>33836735
It's a dumb and non-specific question.
You wouldn't count my dentist visit just an hour ago, would you?
No? Then get specific or shut up.

>>33836807
>Then get specific or shut up.
You're being intentionally obtuse because you want to cling to your delusions, but sure, I'll bite.
When was the last time you went outside and talked to a woman with the intention of creating a personal connection with her?

>>33834071 (OP)
>self-improvement journeys
the biggest meme

dudes will become investment bankers and own 3 houses and become multimillionaires and get a jaw implant and get that surgery where they shatter your legs and you're in a wheelchair for 18 months so you ca be 2 inches taller and will fly out to korea to get that extra-bogged look with the reverse cheek implants dr kim special and will spend 10 000 hours read a thousand books about ancient wisdom and philosophy and spend 5 years training like bruce wayne in whatever batman movie so they can break lifting records- all that so that they can ignore what actually matters: having charisma and social skills.

>>33836838
>When was the last time you went outside and talked to a woman with the intention of creating a personal connection with her?
Don't worry, I'll answer for him since he'll just continue to play dumb.
His next time will be the first time.

>>33836133
You want to be in power, immune to criticism and not to have to risk losing.

The positive side of family court is that the low-risk takers are gone.

>>>33836136
>Do understand how little it takes, for a woman to write a man off FOREVER at first glance?
Because you're a loser. If you have or will have a woman you'd know it's retarded for her to consider other men.

>>33836838
With those parameters, never.
I did go out, to many many locations, to scope out these opportunities.
Here's what you'll actually see, when you go out with the intention of doing this. This thing you've never actually done, I mean.
>Not in my age range
>She's with a group of other girls
>She's with a group of other girls
>She's with her family
>That's probably her boyfriend
>She's with a group of other girls
>She's clearly just in a hurry
>She's here to do one specific thing and doesn't want to be bothered. No one would.
And on. And on. And on.
This "you never know until you try" stuff, haha, shut the fuck up.
It never stopped. It became obvious that no one actually does this without a wingman, which I did not have and wasn't going to have.
Having the receipts I have now, I'm so glad I didn't try it. Just like I'm glad I didn't take out any college loans. Given the shit that actually happened to those who took your advice at face value, with the advent of social media.
You're retarded for thinking it works.

Again, receipts. We have them by the truckload now. You try this shit, you get looked at like you have three heads. You're 'supposed' to do all of this online now, unless you're unaccountably attractive (in ways that gym and weight loss WILL NOT bring you) and then anything you do is fine.

>>33836860
>all that so that they can ignore what actually matters: having charisma and social skills.
Yeah, working to improve yourself can be a good thing...if you're working to fix your actual problem.
Instead, these fags just avoid their real issue and focus on "improving" things to *make up for* their real problem instead.
In other words, instead of saying
>how do I stop being such a socially retarded autistic spaz around women
it becomes
>how do I make myself so rich and good looking that it doesn't matter what a socially retarded autistic spaz I am
It's just avoidance and cope at best.

>>33836878
Stupidity itself: The post

>>33836879
>With those parameters, never.
Ah, no need to read past then, but I'll indulge you anyway (NTA btw)
He never said anything about flagging down randoms in the street, which is what all your examples conveniently pointed towards. He was basically just saying "get a life and stop being a bitch afraid of women" in so many words.
How's that for a "receipt", you disagreeable faggot?

>>33836893
No, retard.
He was in fact talking about flagging down randoms in the street.

>>33836904
Are you ESL?
Because, at least in my mother tongue, this
>talked to a woman with the intention of creating a personal connection with her?
does not equal this
>flagging down randoms in the street.

>>33836910
He also mentioned going outside.
The two things together, mean precisely the thing that you're saying he's not saying.
lol
On your way.

>>33836883
I think part of it is just autism with numbers since shit like your height, weight, thickness of your prelabial canthal meme jaw bone, savings, how many cars your own, etc are all things that can easily be measured and plugged into an excel spreadsheet.

with things like social skills and charisma, it's not things you can immediately measure, so for them it's seen as nebulous and borderline mythical like it's not even real.

>>33836915
>He also mentioned going outside.
So?
Where else are women going to come from? You holding out for them just to spawn into your goon cave?
He also said nothing about the women not being women you've already met. You see, normal people came into contact with women at school, possibly at work, and while being out and about at social get togethers with friends (possibly including even more women) and being exposed to even more people and meeting even more women.
And you? What were you doing that whole time? Oh right, collecting "receipts" and jerking off to your incel studies and graphs.

>>33836883
>>33836921
>>33836860
Okay are any of you actually denying that vast vast vast swaths of women will just rule you out immediately for being under above-average height?
Mockery is not an answer to this question, btw.

>>33836925
>He also said nothing about the women not being women you've already met.
Uh in which case, pic related.
He was talking about flagging down randos.
Shut the fuck up lmao

>>33836927
brother there's entire races of people like latinos and filipinos and koreans who are under above average weight and they still reproduce by the millions.

>>33836927
So? Date other women then.
And that's not mockery, I see short guys with women all the time. There are entire continents worth in fact as that other anon accurately pointed out.

>>33836925
>school
Normal school is a finite period of time, and you have to be 18 to use this site.
Women don't go to trade schools. And universities are leftist shitshows. Bad idea.
>work
Even worse idea unless you're just super lucky the first time you do it.
>while being out and about at social get togethers with friends (possibly including even more women)
Yeah remember the part about lacking a wingman? No advice for people in that situation I guess, huh? No one ever does.
Literally every one of these suggestions was bad in 2005 and only got worse over time. The stories kept coming out "Omg, why are NORMAL guys trying this...? Ew, gross... STOPPPP" and they did. They've completely stopped.
https://i.4cdn.org/adv/1761049411004638.png
Have you ever considered for even a moment that, TAKEN AS A WHOLE, your advice doesn't fucking work?

>>33836932
>Koreans
OOOOH, that's a bad miss.

Does anyone wanna tell him, or should I?
I think it would be way funnier if someone else told him.

>>33836951
>So? Date other women then.
Uh that's the rub, isn't it.
Are you as bad at math, as women are?
By the time we get to these "other women" without these insanely superficial prerequisites, you're down to about the same number the women have after going through all their superficial prerequisites. They problem is ENDEMIC.

THERE AREN'T ENOUGH OF THEM TO GO AROUND, UNDERSTAND?

>>33836955
>Normal school is a finite period of time
4 years of high school wasn't enough time to start up a conversation for you?
>Women don't go to trade schools. And universities are leftist shitshows. Bad idea.
More cope.
>Yeah remember the part about lacking a wingman? No advice for people in that situation I guess, huh?
Ok first of all you don't NEED a wingman (and if anything I did most of my best work alone) but let's pretend you do: ok then, so WHY do you not have a wingman? Why do you not have a friend?
Could it be that the same things that led to you being a friendless faggot are the same traits that make you struggle so much with women?
>but look! a graph!
Since 2020 I've dated or been involved with 2 or 3 women including one that became my gf for a time. Guess how many of them I met online? A big fat zero, in fact I've never used a dating app in my life lol.
There was also another girl who I asked out, she thought about it, and very politely declined...and I'm still here. In fact we are still on good terms and say hi when we see each other to this day. According to you, this "failure" meant my life should have been over.

>>33836978
>4 years of high school wasn't enough time to start up a conversation for you?
Where in the blue fuck do you think we are?

>>33834071 (OP)
>most men in human canon were sent directly into a meat grinder
>i dont like having to do extra homework though life is swirling hell vortex because i need to not be an autistic faggot when women are present!!

>>33836973
>"short king" getting mad
There are plenty to go around. You still don't get it do you? Yeah, there might only be a few "hot" women who will date a manlet. But there are plenty of women who will date a manlet because they have to, because the rest of us don't want them.
That's the level you're meant to operate in. The ones who can't afford to be picky, because neither can you.

>>33836983
Uh...well I'm in America anon. Is high school not a 4 year thing in whatever third world shithole you guys come from?

>>33836991
No, stupid. Read it again.

>>33836986
I've done the extra homework. i wear linen and chinos. i get the $40 haircut. i have pleasant repeated interactions with no pressure on the women. none of it matters because of the aspects of how i was born

>>33836993
Spoonfeed me then anon (since I've been doing plenty of it for you guys in this thread). What retarded point are you trying to make here?

>>33836978
>Ok first of all you don't NEED a wingman
Yes. You do.
>(and if anything I did most of my best work alone)
I don't believe you. You'd have included a story right there, if you had one that could shut me up for good. But since you don't, you didn't.
I'm not new at this.
>so WHY do you not have a wingman? Why do you not have a friend?
Because I was shy as a kid. And the friends I made early on, all moved away. The happenstance that led to those friendships, weren't replicable. I didn't know how to make more without forcing it, and you can't force it.
And as you can see here, people really fucking suck at giving advice for fixing these problems. So all my friends were online from then on. And they can't wingman.
I may know how to make friends now, for the purpose of being a wingman, but I think it's actually pretty detestable to only make local friends for the sole purpose of helping you get girls. There's something innately slimy about it. And since I'm not slimy, I didn't.

And if you think this makes me the freak, okay then. All of Gen Z is now the freak. Being unwilling or unable to help me, means being unwilling or unable to stop what's happening en masse. Enjoy what this country turns into. You moron.
I wish I were this rude to you people far, far sooner. Instead of LISTENING. So much wasted time could've been saved.

>>33836959
It's not just Koreans that have low birth rates you epic poster, it's all of Asia and it's because of their bug work culture

>>33836987
>There are plenty to go around
Nope.
>Yeah, there might only be a few "hot" women who will date a manlet.
Projection.
>But there are plenty of women who will date a manlet because they have to, because the rest of us don't want them
Nope.

All theoretical that women will date across, instead of all shooting for the top, and giving up.
Doesn't actually pan out that way.
Again, the receipts are just an absolute *BITCH* against your every word.

Try arguing with the truth, you might like it. You barely have to remember anything and all the math is on your side.

>>33837028
>You may think you're right
>BUT YOU'RE EVEN MORE RIGHT THAN THAT!!
>FOOL!!
Well, that's me told.

>>33837035
>Again, the receipts are just an absolute *BITCH* against your every word.
It just occurred to me that you genuinely do not see women as human, do you?

>>33837040
Oh. I used to.
You think it's an own if I don't, I take it.

>>33834071 (OP)
so yesterday I went to a Kpop event. I don't go often because I'm a 40yo dude and I don't want to appear as a creepy groomer or something, I go when the event is so massive it's bound to have a very wide variety of people
meet a friend I hadn't see in years there and her gf and little sister of gf is there
talk very passionately about the group we're about to see (in a screen)
as the screening ends they ask me for my phone
lol
even doing the most nerdy thing I can think of I got asked for my number
I'm not a chad, I'm 6,5 but I'm very agreeable to talk to.
I practiced that shit, I remember being shy and didn't have anything to talk about when I was a teen/early 20s
they are not the first women I talk to or something btw, I'm currently seeing someone casually and stuff, I was giving an example that yes, guys just need to be themselves to get female attention when the "themselves" is nice to be around
so don't be a chud, for starters.

>>33837044
>I'm 6,5
Y'know, that was probably a very large reason why this story went the way it did.

>>33837018
>if you had one that could shut me up for good.
What stories do you want then anon? I have tons of stories, going back years.
We both know you'll keep seething and coping either way.
>Because I was shy as a kid.
>I didn't know how to make more without forcing it
BOOM. Yep, there it is. The answer I was looking for the whole time. And that's the fault of women, society, or chad, or some graph. It's yours.
Being shy doesn't make you a bad person or anything but you didn't learn anything from it, and you didn't change. You just doubled down and developed a chip on your shoulder about it. One that women would find really unattractive no less, if you ever talked to any (you won't).
>And if you think this makes me the freak, okay then. All of Gen Z is now the freak
YES, I agree anon. Now you're getting it. And the common factor is isolating yourselves and retreating online, especially into retarded echo chambers like this one. The zoomies had a number done on them by the covid years, but there were always people our age who chose it for themselves.
>Being unwilling or unable to help me
According to you, not to me. I've been trying to do exactly that this whole thread. You are the one who actively pushes back against the advice.

>>33837035
>Projection.
Interesting, since I am neither a woman nor a manlet so I wonder in what possible sense you are using that word.

>>33837050
>What stories do you want then anon? I have tons of stories, going back years.
No.
You don't.
You would've dropped one JUST NOW.
I've been through this a thousand times, you'll give a vague story, I'll ask for a certain detail you'd been leaving out, and suddenly it all makes sense why no one else can follow that example.

>>33837050
>And that's the fault of
*typo, I meant not the fault of

>>33837054
Dumbass, it means that you think others standards are yours.

>>33837059
Uh, you are the one complaining that women won't date you, are you not?

>>33837040
He thinks ugly women should prostrate at his feet and chase him because that's what he does to women he considers above him, not realizing its one of the most repellant things you can do as a human

>>33837067
Have you ever noticed you've never convinced anyone of anything in your life?

>>33837055
>I'll ask for a certain detail you'd been leaving out
Oh, are you the guy who always asks for the word by word dialogue tree of any conversation from years ago then? Is that what's "missing" for you?

>>33837072
No I've not visited this board in 10 years.
I never thought you people could get any dumber than I remember, but lo.

>>33837077
So you say, but I see posts suspiciously similar to yours here on a near daily basis.
So you're either lying, or incels truly are a hivemind.

>>33834071 (OP)
They do, but that’s called that normal life. If you joined a sports team in high school you would’ve been working out all the time and expected to keep your grades up and build teamwork with the other dudes. That’s self improvement, but you don’t see it as such because you are retarded.

>>33837085
Yes.

I could see how you might have that problem.

>>33837043
No, not an own. More a statement of pity for how fundamentally broken you are. That's not even an insult, I'm genuinely sorry you have this worldview where you truly refuse to trust in others. Yours must be quite the lonely life, that you view women as statistics and "receipts" than actual people with thoughts and feelings of their own. You are so beyond help you cannot fathom a different viewpoint than your own, believing your pain is objective truth, rather than your own personal despair. I feel sorry for you, anon.

>>33837069
Nope but it just seems like you're lashing out at this point because one fat woman you don't even like wouldn't automatically accept you on an online dating profile, which is strange, since you didn't want her in the first place.

>>33837094
>No, not an own. More a statement of
Blablablahblblb
Got it.
I'm convinced women were never oppressed, just restricted from destroying themselves.
The first thing they did with the vote was ban alcohol, one of the dumbest moves possible.

Logic is poison to them, they're resentful of their real role. You're parroting feminist dogma pro bono and it's just nauseating at this point. What year is this, man.

>>33837094
>I feel sorry for you, anon.
I don't. He's an asshole who has spent this whole thread proving he's undeserving of help. His problems and failures are a good thing, well deserved I say.

>>33837099
Oh.
You want more dating profiles do you?
Well, why didn't you say so?

>>33837104
Anon, show us YOUR dating profile, pls and thx.
Incels really need to get some new material. I've been looking at the same graphs and "experiments" for like 10 years now.

>>33837037
except it has nothing to do with the at hand of being short, ADHD-kun.

>>33837103
This is extremely feminine in particular.
Run into any snag with anyone and you yelp "NO WONDER YOU _____"
Very bogstandard.

>>33837106
>incelincelincel
So, more dating profiles?
Damn boy, you're a pig!

>>33837107
Not when their countries haven't been globalized, no.
It wasn't as smart a rejoinder as you imagined.

>>33837104
>make cool profile
>get messages
>edit profile later on for your epic screen caps

>>33837117
>their countries haven't been globalized
I mean South Korea, chief. Not North Korea.

>>33837119
No, read the contents of the messages.
You'll have to insist those were doctored after reading them.
Or admit I'm right, which I know you'll never do.

>>33837123
Yes.
So did I.

You think anything wonderful is happening in South Korea, dating-wise?
Amusing.

>>33837106
>HAHA don't you know?
>I ignored this shit the FIRST TIME I saw it and that was years ago!
Well then, imagine the timeline if you and your millions of retarded clones just, y'know, hadn't done that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfCqd4lKars

>>33837128
short kings are getting laid instead of collecting jpegs from 4chan

>>33837150
No.
They aren't.

Keep it to America, btw.
These other countries are meaningless for the purposes of this conversation.

>>33837104
Is the part about this that bothers you that a conventionallly attractive man gets more responses? Because that has always been the case. Is it that his profile is "honest/abrasive" when you as a less attractive man would recieve radio silence if you earnestly wrote about your views? Reading through the responses some seem accepting of or hold similar views from the jump, so it seems natural these people would gravitate towards one another. Does it really matter if none of these actually manifest into any real meetings because its a catfish account? I'm guessing not, because you by comparison recieve a void with few or no messages. Can you reliably confirm none of these women are fake/catfish accounts either? I can almost guarantee very attractive women with similarly abrasive profiles get similar back and forth with men who disagree with them for similar reasons, but you already no doubt know that. So what exactly do you believe this proves? Were you under the impression all women were so morally strict within themselves because of brainrot posts you consume online? Does it bother you that shallow women don't care about you? Or does it bother you even more that non shallow women do care about what kind of character you have and so you have to put in more effort? I do earnestly want answers.

>>33837124
>No, read the contents of the messages.
jpeg for ants, and only the very last message mentions it.

Also that jpeg and the other >>33837114
is probably older than the people posting it at this point.

also
>implying 2/3rd of those "women" weren't scamming indian men.

>>33837159
Too long. No breaks in the paragraph.
Not bothering.

>>33837155
>Keep it to America, btw.
>These other countries are meaningless
America is nothing but a mystery meat mixed bag of those other countries, especially the latino ones.

go learn how to dance to reggaeton instead of collecting incel jpegs

>>33837166
>Also that jpeg and the other >>33837114(You)
> is probably older than the people posting it at this point
Well who gives a fuck? Women have gotten even worse since then.

>>33837175
Dumb reply.
And witty enough to warrant it.

>>33837176
>Well who gives a fuck? Women have gotten even worse since then.
because of the two eternally-posted made-up jpegs from 12 years ago?

works on my machine bro, you're the problem with your lack of relationships - not women.

>>33837169
>Can't even read a short paragraph
You're right it might be over for you kek

>>33837184
>because of the two eternally-posted made-up jpegs from 12 years ago?
No because of objective reality, do you want me to start posting to /wsg/ and linking back here? I became more of a clip collector during the last 8 years, you see.

>>33837189
Not the smartest retort from the side that's rejected all the charts so far.

>>33837196
You didn't read my response remember? So you can't even know what or if I rejected anything

>>33837190
>you see, I have spent the last 8 years schizomaxxing within 4chan
and yet it's women's fault you can't date? lol to the lmao and even a kek

>>33837184
>works on my machine bro
Okay you keep saying this, and after X amount of times it behooves you to just post a pic of yourself next to a yardstick, and your most recent W-2.

>>33837201
Son the fact that you keep arguing for your side means you haven't taken any chart seriously whatsoever.
>>33837202
Shitty parry. Banal. And the yes/no question left unanswered.

>>33836879
>to scope out these opportunities.

So you've never actually done anything besides sit in a corner , stare, and invent werid excuses in your mind. Got it.
Btw you write like a jeet ESL. If you actually are one, you are indeed correct, forget everything anybody said about trying and move back to india to buy yourself an arrange marriage jeeta. Brown stinky manlets are indeed fated to be incel forever as long as they try with non-pajeet women.

>>33837212
I haven't denied that lookism exists, if you bothered to read anything I've written you might have gleaned that and saved yourself some time on whining and instead have a meaningful discussion instead of winging because lookists that you shouldn't waste your time on don't want you.

>>33837217
Can't call me a liar, huh?
What a shame.

>>33837223
Okay.
And virtually all women are 'lookists' now.
The ones that aren't, are taken before you can blink.

No new information has transpired here. What was the point of that.

>>33837231
The majority of remaining singles are lookists. Anyone worth dating for their character learned to look past just looks and got with likeminded people about a decade ago. You've chosen to be single from the beginning. And you will continue to do so because you are a lookist anon, its the disease your brain chooses to foster.

>>33837248
>The majority of remaining singles are lookists
No just women.
Men aren't that picky.
My god, don't deny this. There's not enough time in the world to reverse that much retardation.
> Anyone worth dating for their character learned to look past just looks and got with likeminded people about a decade ago.
Wow what do you even say to something that is so wrong that it may as well have come from the opposite dimension.
Just, nope?
Nope then.
>You've chosen to be single from the beginning. And you will continue to do so because you are a lookist anon, its the disease your brain chooses to foster.
Oh you were accusing me of being one? Oh okay.
You never really asked me what my standards were before this, so that's kind of a mindlessly bad risk to take here.
For example.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1761069899192401.mp4
I think she's perfect. A sense of humor was required to make that video, and she's not obese. That's all I realy need.

You have now been thoroughly destroyed. Please post a picture of a white flag as a proper ending to this conversation, if you have any shred of honor at all.

>>33837049
6,5/10, not 6,5 feet tall

>>33837108
>I am shy and afraid of women and blame society for it!
>therefore, you are the feminine one here!

college guy here. i've never had a girlfriend, but i've had a good amount of success hooking up and having short term things with chicks.

> i only started dating towards the end of my freshman year, and looking back, i was a total goober.

> you guys are overhyping sex. it is nothing too major or even that fun, especially when you are trying to make her cum, which makes you enjoy it less.

> join clubs and social organizations, even if you aren't in college, there are tons of them around you. all you have to do is put the effort into finding them. if you're in college, go greek. best decision i've ever made.

> people are lonely, they want to have friends, they want to have relationships. as soon as you learn that, the blackpill dissolves before you can chew it.

> most women are as horny, if not hornier, than men are. (trust me i am a jeet, and i've had more success with women outside of my race, and i go to one of the biggest, most conservative schools in the U.S.) (i'm currently talking to a white sorority girl in a top 3 sorority from our rival school just a stone's throw away from ours).

> start by having female friends who you promise to yourself that you will never try to woo, and learn how to flirt just by talking to them. if they decide they want to be more than friends, that's their decision, and a win-win for you.

> something that theo von said: "you have to stay busy". surprisingly, the most amount of success i have had with women are when i was too busy to care about them. most of them like when you are straight up with them and tell them you are only looking for something casual (even if you're lying to them and are actually looking for the right person, and just want to fuck them).

> most guys are putting effort into making themselves better, they just don't flaunt around the performative self improvement bullshit. just make yourself interesting and have actual hobbies rather than sitting at home and playing vidya.

you got this bros. WAGMI

>>33837304
> also, if a girl doesn't reciprocate the same feelings you have for her, move on and try to find different ones who do. there are always going to be more fish in the sea. trust me.

>>33837273
That woman is more conventionally attractive than not, you aren't proving much. You're still chasing popular post tiktok women which isn't the average. Provide your stats for further assessment though. All you've proven is you like women who post their big faces doing nothing while being insulted for their appearance? Not really indicative of anything character related. Have you ever spoken with a woman and remembered anything she said she enjoyed, looked forward to? That may be a better indicator.

>>33837300
I don't blame society for me being shy as a kid.
I blame you for pontificating shitty advice, which is worse than no advice.

>>33837304
>>33837310
Wow I sure hope no one believes you.
You'll ruin their life.

>>33837311
Everything you just said is wrong.

>>33837318
wdym? i'm not lying dude.

>>33837320
You thinking she's ugly or less than some ideal hot woman in your head is itself lookism anon

>>33837323
Half-truths are more intoxicating than outright lies.

>>33837324
You don't believe the things you're saying.

>>33837333
You're just not ready to confront your lookism, which is a shame. Maybe one day things will get better for you.

>>33837351
Oh this. Boring.
Here's the image for it.

>>33837359
Why haven't you messaged the peasant girl you consider ideal anon? Is it purely social stigma around approaching women online, or is it that you aren't as attracted to her as you pretend but that you would "settle" for her but only if you have to do none of the work to get to know her or risk admitting interest because your ego can't handle the thought of being rejected by someone you've already decided was beneath you?