Thread 33844882

Worked as a counselor at a summer camp this summer. Made friends with some of the girls and we stayed in touch on discord after the camp. Months later and it's so fucking blackpilling to me how 12 year old girls are better friends than any person close to my own age has ever been to me. I'm talking regular initiation on their end by either sending memes or just initiating small talk or even engaging conversation. They express and follow through on plans when it comes to gaming together or watching movies/anime. They make you feel like the friendship actually matters and has a positive effect.
Why can't people my own age act like this without having to be asked when girls years younger than me are able to do so without being asked at all?! I don't know what the shit to do

>>33844882 (OP)
don't know either
bit weird to be preding up with 12yo girls, but i understand you
I constantly try to make plans, and then when the time comes, either all cancel, or just straight up dont show up. I feel like im the only person who knows how to be a friend, and if i just had 3 clones of myself, we would be the best friend group of all time, because we would say "hey lets play something tuesday at 16:00 at my place" and i know those niggas would be at my door at 15:55 all 3 of them

>>33845703
I was always the one maintaining the friendships, making the plans and initiating anything and everything. You know how if you suddenly stop being the one to reach out, you find out that nobody reaches out to you unprompted. That's what these girls are the exact opposite of and that's why it's both so comforting and blackpilling at the same time when i dont really want it to be.

>>33844882 (OP)
>Why can't people my own age act like this
bro what are you 35 years old, why are you on discord with 12 year olds

>>33845793
i'm in my early 20s and i am friends with them because they are actually, yknow, friendly

>>33844882 (OP)
>why dont people with busy adult lives send me memes n stuff?
if you had to ask you're a retard
>retard messaging 12 year old girls
this will lead to violence

>>33845837
12 years olds shouldnt be even on discord, thats wrong

>>33845912
this has currently only been beneficial and will most likely always remain beneficial

>>33845915
i think it's fine to allow them to be regardless of what tos or laws say and your objections does not and will not change this

>>33844882 (OP)
That is not related to age, it's that women play socialization on Easy Mode. Also, you are weird as fuck for staying in touch with them.

>>33845928
Maybe i am but i have no intention so far of not staying in touch if things keep progressing the way they have and stay just as good

>>33844882 (OP)
I think you just need to find better friends. Adult people also send memes and jokes, all humans are different you just need to find a right group to fit in, I dont think that 12 years olds are good friends. Their mind is still developing and they might act weird..? Idk

>>33845936
I mean it's not like i've shut off every opportunity to make friends my own age forever, just that i will be way more careful with who i accept after these girls have shown me just how much a good friend can actually impact you in such amazing ways.
I will stay friends with these girls for now and whatever comes of that i will simply let it come.

>>33845916
>>33845920
>>33845934
>total creep
>bait
dont care which
remember me when they catch and beat your ass

>>33845951
Ok but what if they start flirting? Not saying that it will happen but wont it be awkward

>>33845957
It might, but i don't mind awkward nor do i see it as anything harmful. It depends when and how it comes about as well so basically i'll cross that bridge when or rather if i ever get to it. For now i'm just glad to have them around and do so many fun things with them on a regular basis. Speaking of which my replies will slow down in a little bit here, possibly

>>33845837
did you consider that your friends stopped hanging out with your because you're a discord pedo

>>33845964
Kinda weird but do what you do just dont date them

>>33845964
>haha sorry LOSERS if I can't reply as fast as I normally do on 4chan because my 12 year old DISCORD GIRLFRIEND and I are gonna go find epic memes on the roblox minecraft server

>>33845984
not at all since i've never discussed this sort of thing with them or anyone else

>>33845984
I think theres nothing wrong with being friends with younger people. As long as OP isnt weird towards them, I mean being just friends with younger people is fine but having 12yo as a best friend that you can tell everything is weird, they are kids they dont know what they doing

>>33845986
i mean the legal age is 14 here so it's not impossible just improbable at this point

>>33845991
made me lul irl

>>33846006
Depends on country but 14 is far too young

>>33846016
i mean if the government doesn't seem to think so then who am i to complain? but seriously it's just unlikely to happen but in the case that it does then it simply does. i won't try to guard them or myself from feeling anything i just also will not try to nudge things one way or the other. what will be will be, as they say

>>33846001
>younger people
interesting way to phrase "a child"

not even like some "17 years old and 11 months old" teenager, but a straight up 6th grader.

Plus he met her through a position of authority working as a camp counsellor, the pedo double whammy.

>>33846036
By younger people i meant max 3 years age gap between friends not talking about OPs sytuation
>Plus he met her through a position of authority working as a camp counsellor, the pedo double whammy


your right, why are men so obssesed with kids is sad

>>33846029
The goverment also allows child marriage in some countries. 'Legal' but doesnt mean its right

>>33846072
I dont really think this "position of authority" is that big of a deal regardless of ages. It's one of those things people obsess over that makes little to no difference in reality and especially not for long term. It's other things that would set of alarm bells for me for this guy

>>33846079
>he says as if it's a bad thing

>>33846036
I say let him dig his own grave like he already is but if things work out then what can we really do about that?

>>33846087
>I dont really think this "position of authority" is that big of a deal
It is.
It's one of those things people obsess over that makes little to no difference
It does.

This nigga serious?

>>33846029
You know, I really hate pedos like you who act all wishy-washy about your sick desires, putting it on the kids and pretending like you didn't have a choice in the matter. "Oh I'm just gonna stay neutral and whatever happens happens", like nigga shut the fuck up and just be honest about wanting to fuck twelve year old girls. You're a goddamn creep, don't pretend like you're some innocent victim who is powerless to keep himself from getting swept away with the whims and desires of underage girls.

>>33846079
pedophilia is a legal issue, not a moral issue

>>33846133
It's not really and it really does not make the huge difference people think it does

>>33846179
Morally it's very easy to defend, i would say

>>33846175
>your honor that sixth grader was flirting with me I dindu nuffin
Yeah this is gonna end well. Anon post your face after you get your head kicked in please

not
on
normal
courtyard
exercises

because reasoning with them is disgusting
better to just kill em

When I was 13 I was hanging out with guys I definitely shouldn’t have been in IRC chats. Since I was a boy they mostly left me alone but I developed a crush on a 14 year old girl in the same circles who I later found out was being pursued by basically every grown ass man in that cartoon except two of them. One of them was gay and the other was just a genuinely pure hearted guy who ended up being one of my better online friends for the next few years. He was around 30 when I graduated high school and I invited him and he said “I don’t think your parents would appreciate a random 30 year old showing up,”
My point being: it’s possible to be an adult who is friends with a child and have it not be weird. But having consistent online communication with children you interacted with as an authority figure IRL can come off as very creepy, especially if you’re the kind of guy to save loli images and make threads about it online. If you were their soccer coach talking to them this often the parents would probably be weirded out.

>>33846179
"why do women hate me so much"

I sincerely hope it goes well for you and that you continue to have a pleasant experience with them

Has to be rage b8
I'm no simp, I support age gap relationships, I don't see anything wrong with like an 18 year old girl dating a 30 year old dude for instance.
But blood, these girls are just getting their first periods. This is some real pedo shit

>>33846393
>women
lol, lmao even

>>33846396
A lot of it seems like wish fulfillment. Boards like /tv/ have been colonized by pedos for years and the jannies don’t want to do anything about it. The leaks proved that most of these guys are Indian too.

>>33846396
12 seems a bit young, the youngest i would do would probably be 14 maybe 15. i think that's a good line to draw at

>>33846407
I really don’t get what there even is to be attracted to before a girl turns 16. I’d say it’s not even really weird for a guy who’s 20 to find some 16/17 year olds attractive, but 14 year olds aren’t even hot.

Also are you fucking retarded or something? What could you, as a man in his 20s, have in common with middle school girls?
Are you genuinely mentally disabled? Real life too tough and complicated for ya, so you need to talk about cartoons and video games with little kids? You realize this is why you have no friends that actually want to hang out with you, they're out doing shit and making something of their lives while you sit at a computer and talk with little kids about coloring books.

>>33846392
I understand how it comes off but so far i'm seeing no actual warning signals for me to believe that it will be abusive or toxic in any way shape or form

>>33846407
"The line" is when a woman has gone through enough sexual and mental development to be able to reasonably carry, bear and take care of a baby. For the vast majority of women this is around 17-18-19 years old.
>>33846417
It's pedo shit, man. So many pedos are actually low IQ retards and can't even think like a mature adult, it's not about the body it's the fact that no adult woman would touch them most of the time. They still need the rope though.

>>33846417
There's plenty about them that's attractive but if you don't see that then alright, no convincing you there i'm afraid

>>33846439
The line is what the government says and if the government says 14 then 14 is fine desu. It could be lower too

>>33846449
>The line is what the government says and if the government says 14 then 14 is fine desu. It could be lower too
Brown skin energy
Child health and both infant and mother mortalities minimize between 18-25 years old. The government also gave voting rights to niggers, that doesn't make them right.

>>33846460
irl kek

>>33846444
>>33846439
>So many pedos are actually low IQ retards and can't even think like a mature adult, it's not about the body it's the fact that no adult woman would touch them most of the time.

>>33846444
Good morning saar

>>33844882 (OP)
because as we grow up we learn to adapt to the environment around us and fit in. unfortunately that environment socially is gay and retarded so who's surprised that we all suck as we get older

>>33846444
Yes, anon, please, tell us more about how attracted you are to children.

>>33846545
It is unfortunate, i agree. Which is why i want to keep these girls around and influence them in a positive way so that they stay just as great as they currently are when it comes to being friends

>>33846563
Its not appropriate. You can spin whatever narrative or cope with whatever justification you want but adults in an authority position speaking privately with small children sans parental involvement and/or professional context is inappropriate. Its not okay.

>>33846573
Then i will continue regardless if it is or isn't i suppose

>>33846574
He who lives by the sword dies by the sword, brother. Do what you want just be aware of the consequences should any other adult find out what you're doing.

>>33846563
>Which is why i want to keep these girls around and influence them in a positive way
Said the guy who has consistently argued that pedophilia is not a big deal if the government says it's okay and has not explicitly denied being attracted to these girls.
You are not a positive influence. You are a predator, nothing you say to these girls will be in any way beneficial to anyone except your own perverse desire to get some underage cunny. Quit trying to take the moral high ground.

>>33846563
OP I know you are trying be kind but its not Worth it, find great friends that are old enough to be friends with you. Its better because you can tell them anything unlike to kids. (Im not talking about sexual stuff, im talking about opening up) and maybe you both will have more things in common

>>33846864
I will cautiously hold the door open for possible future friendships with people closer to my age, but at the same time I'm keeping the friends I've made in these girls unless something goes really wrong. We already have tons of things in common and that myth is debunked thoroughly as far as I'm concerned.

>>33844882 (OP)
The Anon comments are getting less and less like a proper one the further down the thread I go.
On the other hand, I'll leave aside how weird it is to be on a Discord with 12yo girls.
I tend to be pretty friendly with a 9yo niece. For some reason, I find it easier to talk. I can also say "I'm bored" naturally, and then play ball in the yard or an videogame. And I think about it, and it's something I haven't done with anyone in maybe over 3 years.
With her sisters, who are in their 20s, I don't usually interact normally. It's like there are boundaries (?). I feel like I can't say I'm bored to someone my age, and if I do, nothing fun will happen.

>>33847845
Family is different. You're a trusted adult in her life, and any time you see her her parents are fully aware that she's with you (I assume). This is not the case with OP - as you said, it is extremely weird for a grown man to be on a Discord with a bunch of 12 year old girls, and I find it highly unlikely that the parents are aware of it either (since most parents would find it kind of creepy that some random dude is chatting up their kids and would at a bare minimum get to the bottom of the situation).

>>33844882 (OP)
>how 12 year old girls are better friends than any person close to my own age has ever been to me.
Dear God dude. I'm a blackpilled incel as well, but this sounds so fucking cringe and gay.

Grey area, and tread lightly.

>>33847845
That's unfortunate, but also to be expected.
It really isn't that weird as people make it out to be. Any ill intent would make it weird but the thing itself isn't.
Age gap platonic, as well as other types of relationships are beneficial and used to be more common, for good reason.
Boundaries for kids are sincere but less tactful, boundaries for adults are insincere and superficially tactful. That seems to be the pattern

>>33847930
I think it says more about the projection of other people when they can't fathom that age gap relationships have and will always be the most normal thing and that only the bad intentions create for bad results, and that is what makes it weird. It's also very telling that it's the first thing people conclude when hearing about age gap relationships, that it must be weird, coercive, abusive and so on.

>>33848436
I know it is, and i will

>>33846179
It's literally a moral issue, though.

I agree with the sensible anons in this thread. What matter is your intent, what you do, how you do it and the end result. The ages aren't that weird but if you only wanted to talk to them to get something sexual out of it, it would be weird and bad

12 is too young. wtf u gonna do, groom them for 6 years?
ur targets should at least be 16-17 otherwise you're just wasting your time

assuming you are just retarded and not a literal pedophile, it's because these girls are young and naive and don't realize you are a creepy pedophile with bad intentions who would ruin their lives at the drop of a hat. and even if you aren't, they don't have enough life experience to know you CAN be that, so they trust you have no bad intentions immediately, unlike people your own age.

>>33848988
12 is far from too young to make friends with, but to date and have sex with? that's debatable ofc.
I don't think that OP just talking to them is the definition of grooming, it all has to do with his intent.

>>33849005
There's nothing that suggests OP is a pedo with bad intentions from what i can read so far. I think it's good to trust people to not have bad intentions. People make mistakes but assume the best in people before they display the worst

>>33845837
Adults aren't supposed to be friends with children. No matter how you try to explain it, you sound like a pedophile and everybody who learns this about you will think you are one

>>33849052
There's literally nothing wrong with platonic or even romantic age gap relationships, in this case, platonic so the risk is even lower for anything bad happening. What it sounds like to someone is based entirely on projection and poor understandings

As a father of a 12 year old girl who sent to a summer camp this year. If i found out that and other girls were making friends with one of the counselors my genuine reaction would be that it's alright as long as he's just being friendly and not asking weird things. I remember growing up with lots of adult friends who shaped me into a good adult today so this thing seems like something i would support, again, only if it's friendly and wholesome which it seems to be. Just tread carefully, as others have pointed out

>>33848741
Yeah, you're right. It's not like OP said anything about how the age of consent where he lives is 14, or how if the government says the age is okay then it's okay, or how he's not going to explicitly shut down any attempts at flirting or untoward conduct from 12 year old girls on Discord. OP is just a sad victim of society, he should be free to chat up as many 12 year old girls as he wants, anyone who thinks it's creepy are the wrong ones.

age of consent should be 25. the insurance companies figured this out already.

>>33844882 (OP)
I have a feeling op is either a cia agent or a woman

>>33849083
You're not a father, you'll never reproduce.

>>33849435
If OP is a woman then she deserves to do what a guy would be allowed to do as well, without judging

>>33849432
1 CEO down, many more to go

>>33849399
I'm glad we agree that OP is literally doing nothing wrong

>>33848741
>they can't fathom that age gap relationships have and will always be the most normal thing and that only the bad intentions create for bad results
Marriages of adult men to girl children in the west is actually extremely uncommon. There might be some examples of otherwise in royal families where all sorts of wacky shit was going on, and yeah every pedo apologist posts that one photo of that hick guy with his child bride, but for most of history common people in Europe got married when the woman was about 15-17 and the dude was about 20 or so. Hardly an age gap worth writing about.

Now, if we're talking about the turd world poo people, like MULSIMS, or INDIANS, then yes marriage of child brides to adult men is very common. See Muhammad (poo be upon him) and Aisha, or for an example that you might be more familiar the Indian mathematician Ramanujan (whose work is HIGHLY OVERRATED as well) got married to a 10 year old girl when he was 22.

>>33849483
Based and earlyaccesspilled

>>33849488
More like fecesed and poopilled

I think you should be looking for more friends your own age, like you say, in a very careful way if you've had bad friends before. I also think it's fine to keep these girls around if you really aren't doing anything bad with them, it should be all fine really

>>33844882 (OP)
ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY ANON? What has happened to this board, it seems all you fucking chud retards chased away the last remnants of sane people. How are there barely anyone calling you out for this creepy ass post?

Have you never thought that the reason a 12 year old girl would have time to engage in conversations and play games all day is because they don't have a job? Aren't engaged? Don't have responsibilities outside literally going to school and doing nothing all day? What the fuck is wrong with you. How can someone that young be considered a "good" frined to you Anon. This just says more about how much of a fucking loser you are than anything else, that you relate to someone who hasn't even gone to high school yet more than your own peer group.

Anyone saying this is just a "friendship" is deluded, given OP has just made this creepy ass post on here. It definitely is going to divulge into something more than that. OP is a predator. People like you are despicable. Older people relaying everything to young kids. I used to be a kid that age and having losers like you vent about their problems to me.

>>33848741
>I think it says more about the projection of other people when they can't fathom that age gap relationships
No one is arguing against this. We're arguing against inappropriate age gap relationships i.e. the parents don't know that a full grown man is talking to their child without their knowledge. Plenty of teachers and coaches and adults in position of authority have relationships with children and those are very necessary and healthy, but the point is those relationships are a) done with parenting guidance and b) done for the benefit of THE CHILD, not the benefit of the adult. Any argument to the contrary is suspicious and weird that you insist on hiding your relationships with children from their parents.

>>33849483
In polyamorous marriages, for instance, the early mormons, marriage to not sex age women is considered a form of charity almost. Muhammad and mormon leaders did marry young women, but they also would marry for instance, old widowed women, so to give them a home.

>>33851301
I don't see how this isn't benefitting the child but ok

>>33851283
you seem upset

Why is this weird fucking pedo thread still up

>>33851367
Building a relationship with an adult behind their parents' back and without formal structure is not benefiting the child, no. You started this whole thread by musing about how much better friends 12 year old girls are to YOU. At no point did you ever state or even imply that you were doing this for them. Its always been about your benefit and how good of friends they are to YOU.

If you really had the children's best interest in mind you could easily send an e-mail - "Hello anon's parents! My name is OP and I spent the summer as a counselor at your child's camp. I've set up a discord to help all the kids from summer camp stay in touch and continue some of my guidance work during the off-season. Here is the link to the discord and my personal contact so you can view the communication being posted and feel free to reach out to me with any questions or concerns!"

That's how a reasonable adult would conduct building a relationship with a pre-teen. You are not a reasonable adult. You are the exact kind of person with poor boundaries that needs to be kept away from children. Its safe to say you're hiding these relationships because you know they're inappropriate, you know you have no professional reason to be communicating with them like this and you know that you're doing this because you enjoy their "friendship", not because you care about mentoring kids.

>>33848741
LMAO a poo on the mod team got butthurt and deleted my original response so let me reframe it
MY CONSTRUCTIVE ADVICE is that people should examine the kinds of cultures in which age gap relationships are actually common and contrast the attitudes and rate of abuse towards women in those cultures, and then look at white cultures

>>33845689
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>>33846175
Not everything is about sex you fucking gooners
>>33845793
OP didn't even mention Discord, you have brain rot
>>33846179
No, it's a moral issue. Who gives a fuck what government has to say? They only care for their own power.
Once again though, OP never said he wanted to have sex with them. Most of the replies are from people whose brains have been destroyed by porn addiction, and they think everyone has the same mindset as them.

>>33851401
If you don't understand why children might want to keep secrets from their parents and not be surveiled online by them, you must have had very good parents.
When my parents found out that I had a social media account and was posting my opinions online and discussing political issues with other people, they barged into my room and screeched at me for hours, and threatened me into taking it down. After that, I dreaded eating dinner with them because it would always become an interrogation and a lecture about how they are always right and I don't need to converse with anyone outside of my small friend group they'd already vetted.

>>33852135
>OP didn't even mention Discord, you have brain rot
And you are fucking illiterate.
>>33844882 (OP)
>and we stayed in touch on discord

>>33852194
>nitpick one irrelevant part of the post to sperg about and ignore everything else
Like clockwork. You retards are the reason this site is so shit these days

wont be having sex this weekend, guys.

>>33851589
>he thinks white cultures don’t see age gaps as normal
This might surprise you retard but not all white countries are puritan Americans. And even America can barely be called a white country nowadays.

Im autistic can anyone explain to me what that image means

>>33852775
What fucking sentence is that in the world?

>>33852135
Big true, it's more weird that people in their heads just jump immediately to sex when talking about adults and kids being friends

>>33852173
Besides, it's not like it's anyones business if things are just wholesome and friendly. What does and will determine if this is right or wrong is what ends up happening as a result and what intentions OP actually has

>>33852740
Americans always have the worst takes when they have age of consent at 18

Actual chad and based af

>>33852135
>OP image choice

>>33854519
>adult playing video games with a kid with clothes on
You're the fucking porn addict seeing pedo shit where there isn't any

>>33844882 (OP)
When I was ~14, made friends that were 15-20+ years older. I'm in my mid-twenties, and we're still friends. It's fine as long as you aren't being a weirdo.

>>33854625
Forgot the main subject, kek. I feel like it's just a numbers game. They either care about you or they don't. Some people also just suck, they lie, etc.

>>33854554
true! it's weird how everyone is injecting a bunch of sexual shit into something that seems incredibly wholesome

>>33854639
it always is and always was. interacting with the world is a risk and all that you can rely on is the outcome, your experience and hope for the best intentions. i assume generally the best until proven otherwise. or at least something neutral

>>33854625
people forget how common it used to be and now it seems we're calling 18 year olds pedos for dating 17 year olds. we need to go back

>>33844882 (OP)
I see this picture and think of my 4ft11 ex. Is that wrong? I miss the fucked up age play she was into. I miss how pretty she was.
Shame she went from normal to 5150. Trauma dumped on me, called me too loyal then distanced herself from me.

>>33852173
>If you don't understand why children might want to keep secrets from their parents and not be surveiled online by them, you must have had very good parents.
I don't give a shit what children want. I'm talking about the responsibility of the adult in this situation, not children. Children don't tell their parents lots of things - that isn't justification for an adult behaving inappropriately.

>>33855037
Agreed. I honestly think it's detrimental to societal growth for adult/child interpersonal relationships to be stigmatized this much. Up until relatively recently (past 20 or so years) adults could interact with kids they didn't even know, and no one would bat an eye because it taught kids how to interact with grown-ups, and it let adults indulge in childhood whimsy that they otherwise weren't able to otherwise. In this day and age, kids are taught to only talk to their immediate family and only interact with other adults if their parents are present, sending the clear message that adults are not meant to be trusted. This closed off behavior stunts a child's growth by making them paranoid and fearful of adults, which in turn keeps them from feeling like they can trust adults if they need help, whether it is immediate danger or long-term suffering. And, of course, it makes adults feel terrified to even talk to a child for fear of being labeled as a pedophile, meaning they get zero personal experience interacting with kids, which in turn makes them go against the idea of becoming a parent.
Adults should be able to make friends with children again. There's nothing wrong with someone in OP's situation, a man who made a connection with some kids and wanted to keep them in his life. And honestly, with the way people keep labeling such innocent interactions as "creepy" and "pedophilic", it makes me wonder if they're just projecting their own messed up fantasies onto something that is otherwise very wholesome. Maybe it's not OP who's the pedo in this thread.

>>33855037
A grown adult hiding his communications with 12 year old girls from their parents because he really really likes being friends with kids is not wholesome.

>>33855932
Literally nobody is arguing any of the drivel you just posted. The conversation was never that OP shouldn't ever talk to kids or have relationship with kids. The conversation is the fact that he has a secret discord full of minor children whose relationship he has hidden from their parents, citing that he likes having them as friends because they initiate conversation and make him feel like friendship matters. Ignoring the troubling fact that a grown adult is having meaningful "friendships" with 12 year olds, there's appropriate and inappropriate way to communicate with children. Adults in positions of power building "friendships" behind their parents backs is not one of those ways. Building friendships with 12 year olds not because he wants to mentor or guide them in a professional capacity but because he really feels wanted by them is not one of those ways. Period.

Kinda based?

>>33856014
depends entirely on what those "communications" are about, but the fact that he thinks he needs to hide them suggests that you're correct.

>>33857233
>depends entirely on what those "communications" are about
Yes, obviously. I'm not talking about like a kid coming to an adult and claiming abuse or something. I'm talking about the context of the OP, in which he just really likes being friends with 12 year olds. Even if it isn't sexual its still extremely inappropriate. Any parent would correctly want him fired from his summer camp job. He has no business being around kids.

>>33845912
>busy adult lives
this stupid fucking tautology is rarely a proper explanation
adults are busier than children, but people still have tons of freetime, and almost EVERYONE is on social media in some form or another when they could be spending time with friends
"muh busy adult life"
get more specific or don't mention it

The characters in the OP image are from a pedophilic meme