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Anonymous No.33873512 [Report] >>33873528 >>33873716 >>33875566 >>33875697 >>33876233 >>33878204 >>33879136 >>33879863
How do I stop being blackpilled when everyone looks at virgin men as weak losers that can't get pussy. I keep getting depressed the more the "can't get bitches" ridicule gets spread across the current zeitgeist. I keep telling myself that I'm a loser and a failure and that the time where it's okay to be a virgin is long gone (I'm 28 btw) because of the outside world. Everyone I know tells me that confidence is key but I know that I will never like myself because of ridicule from past and current times. It just adds up that I will never be a hot guy to women.
Anonymous No.33873528 [Report] >>33873816 >>33873937 >>33874913 >>33878204
>>33873512 (OP)
I mean...that's what you are. You're a failure to launch male. Many men are in different ways but for you its the sexual market. If you've gone 28yrs with no action then I don't expect that to suddenly change in your 30s unless your standards hit rock bottom..
Anonymous No.33873716 [Report] >>33879034
>>33873512 (OP)
The fact of the matter is that because you care so much about it, you'll never escape it. If it's a big deal to you that you're a virgin, it will be a big deal to others as well.

On the flip side, if you stop caring about it and start interacting with people just for the sake of being friendly and having a good time, if you stop obsessing over something outside of your control, then you might actually have some luck getting laid and making friends.

I know it seems oxymoronic but push it to the back of your mind and just pretend you aren't. If it comes up on a date sure be honest but don't make it a big deal. Instead of "I've been desperately trying for years, please free me from this hell and fuck me" try the "I just didn't meet the right person yet" approach.
Anonymous No.33873816 [Report] >>33875336 >>33876158
>>33873528
So it's over for me huh?
Anonymous No.33873937 [Report] >>33874847 >>33875001 >>33876395 >>33878969 >>33879034
>>33873528

Load of bullshit. I've known 2 guys reach well into their late 20s as virgins and both went off and have settled into loving relationships by their 30s.

It takes some men longer to find their footing in life. I'd say the bulk of their issue was social. Closed off, nerdy reclusive guys who over associated with the male hobby side of their life and didn't participate in the usual rights of passage whilst living in a very narrow loop for routine.

It's not like they went off on some x-pilled, maxxgrind montage either. They stayed nerdy. They never lost the weight or changed their style or any of that shit. They were just nice people and sooner or later someone nice found them. It's really that simple.

OP just live your life. If it's super shut off maybe try some circuit breakers and breathe some life into yourself. Realistically just put yourself out there, don't seek casual, find someone to commit to and enjoy it.

Nobody fucking cares. Adults don't care. You tell me you've not had sex, I ain't judging. Normal people don't care.
Anonymous No.33874847 [Report]
>>33873937
I'd rather not be one of those guys.
Anonymous No.33874913 [Report] >>33877944
>>33873528
What if I spent the last 8 years of my life NEETing at home with no friends and then try to turn it around?
Anonymous No.33875001 [Report] >>33875577 >>33877726 >>33879939
>>33873937
I've never heard of a 28 yr old virgin suddenly turning it around unless they were a woman..
Anonymous No.33875002 [Report] >>33875303
What if we're mentally ill (suicidal depression, avoidant personality disorder both diagnosed) and still a virgin at 34 years old? I have 0 hope
Anonymous No.33875303 [Report] >>33875336
>>33875002
Even if you think you have no hope you could be wrong. But you should always be weary of the dating scene and guys who are sad and desperate are fish to the vicious women. But also just give up bc as soon as you give up on a problem you find the solution somewhere else. Sometimes you gotta really give up though like go to the library and stop talking to women in order to smash just talk to talk
Anonymous No.33875336 [Report]
>>33873816
>>33875303
I wouldnt say its over but more so your chances are slim, miracles can always happen, but personally ive never seen a guy whose gone without pussy, especially this long, to recover. You can always pay for it, but to get it naturally involves trial and error on a macro level that I think you dont enough time for anymore, 8yrs is bad, 28 yrs is the fuck no zone.
Anonymous No.33875403 [Report] >>33875812
Better hurry up and get laid. You’re rapidly approaching the danger zone where the only available options are single moms or fatties. It’s not just getting laid that’s important, but BY WHOM. You don’t want a boring obese wife you’re going to hate.

Another option is to just ignore the cultural messaging about sex and relationships, and accept that it wasn’t meant to work out for you. That’s what a lot of us 30-somethings have done. You wouldn’t be the first anon destined to die alone.
Anonymous No.33875566 [Report]
>>33873512 (OP)
You are doing every single action that someone who is trying to be sad would perform.
Anonymous No.33875577 [Report] >>33875741 >>33877726
>>33875001
im in my late 20s and somehow everything just suddenly feels easier. money makes more sense, dressing properly makes more sense, dieting, exercising, reading. just like what anon said, it took me nearly 30 years to figure out how to live life and im finally having some success with women
Anonymous No.33875697 [Report]
>>33873512 (OP)
No one has ever asked me if I'm a virgin. Although my first girlfriend was surprised I wasn't more experienced. (She was a virgin too.)
Many religious social circles think there's nothing wrong with being a virgin if you're unmarried.
Anonymous No.33875741 [Report]
>>33875577
I'm a mid 30s virgin and this hasn't happened yet
Anonymous No.33875812 [Report] >>33878048
>>33875403
I honestly thank god I lost my virus at 19 and it confirmed I wasn't a true loser, no offense but not getting any pussy is a very unfortunate experience. Something just clicked in my brain the first moment I inserted like millions of years of evolution hitting me at once that animals fucked to create this moment for me

But yeah sex is whatever, yall will be fine without it.
Anonymous No.33876158 [Report]
>>33873816
It's never to late to learn!
Anonymous No.33876233 [Report]
>>33873512 (OP)
>everyone looks at virgin men as weak losers that can't get pussy.
But you yourself agree with them and think of yourself the same way, which is your biggest problem. As you go on to admit here:
>I keep telling myself that I'm a loser and a failure
>I know that I will never like myself
This is becoming a classic self-fulfilling prophecy for you. Because of the negative self-talk and the energy you're putting out, you have allowed your actions to fall in line with this low opinion of yourself and, whether you realize it or not, you are eliciting that same reaction from other people as well. The negative self-talk has to end OP. That doesn't mean you jump right into delusional sunshine and rainbows, but bring it up to at the very least some neutrality.
That said, without delving into your circumstances, I'm sure there's a lot of things you could have been doing differently. You might want to get moving on that, while also learning to forgive and like yourself.
Basically, what I'm telling you to do is to start doing more while also caring less (equally important). That may well be easier said than done, but nevertheless that's the road map for you to get out of hell.
Anonymous No.33876395 [Report] >>33876546 >>33877726
>>33873937
>They were just nice people and sooner or later someone nice found them. It's really that simple
So, they had good luck, basically. If luck wasn’t on their side (which it isn’t for most men who get to their 30s lonely), they’d have been fucked, because they didn’t actually make any big changes to create opportunity in the first place.
Anonymous No.33876546 [Report]
>>33876395
>So, they had good luck
Well, it is and it isn't. People frequently create their own luck.
Look at what you quoted. "they were nice people and sooner or later someone nice found them". Ok, that may seem like luck to someone who is not in their position. But these "lucky" people did two things that many of the people on this board complaining have not. They made themselves into nice/cool/likable people to begin with, and then they inserted themselves into a position where someone could meet them at all just by going out and doing stuff with or around people.
Luck is often said to be just where preparedness meets opportunity. The annoying unlikable guy who just sits and seethes on 4chan is neither prepared nor does he have opportunity, so it's a logical outcome that he never gets as "lucky" as some of the success stories you see or read about.
Anonymous No.33877726 [Report] >>33877814
>>33875001

Men in real life don't tend to broadcast that they are virgins unless they trust you. There is also an aspect of limited social exposure in many cases - the ones I've known were essentially sheltered individuals living closed loops that I just happened to be in the orbit of through decades old connections at group gatherings.

Also this particular side of the internet doesn't like to hear that this arc is a common redemption arc because it undermines The Agenda.

>>33875577

Basically this. Competency improves over time. The character stat boost combined with better reflexes opens up new dialogue trees.

>>33876395
No. They had to ride it out being undesireable on tinder, have girls not want them in real life and all the other entirely normal things that come with the struggle.

I mentioned offhand vanity metrics and x-pilled mind-grindsets to illustrate that none of that was necessary. Also to indicate it wasn't important.

The real work is within. These individuals grew enough to start trying to find those opportunities and they found their own path to their own oasis.
Anonymous No.33877814 [Report] >>33878026
>>33877726
What's the agenda?
Anonymous No.33877944 [Report]
>>33874913
sounds like you need a job, not a sex partner
Anonymous No.33877990 [Report]
Do you have any traits to make up for it? If you are top 10% in and passionate about some sort of hobby and have a steady stream of income you have a chance. If not, you're cooked and should focus on that first since it's more in your control. You can just live life without thinking about how you aren't getting laid 24/7 and still be "happy".
Anonymous No.33878026 [Report]
>>33877814

4chan has always had a bit of a thing for "forever alone" narratives. Over the years it started to evolve into the various pilled / celled / PUA rhetoric substrates that got over propagandized onto a generation of austistics on here and wider internet.

Sadly there are many who deeply, genuinely believe that they will never have sex or have friends because they've had some idiot put a bunch of weird bullshit into their heads about social hierarchies, rules for societal worth and a bunch of other weird autistic shit like watching Christian Bale AMVs.

Ultimately The Agenda is to keep these people trapped in that place because if this narrative was to ever be exposed too openly as a delusion (by those within their own community) - then that same community would have to realise they ain't the victims of some systemic oppression. Yeah, no doubt some bitches don't want to fuck them - that's fair. But it ain't as deep as they say it is and most of them probably do have a lot of potential to get themselves out of their own situation.

But they would have to give up their excuses.

The Agenda is about keeping a generation enslaved to this bullshit. If they don't have hope, they are easier to manipulate.
Anonymous No.33878048 [Report]
>>33875812
It's not the sex, it's the emotional bonding that will fuck you up if you don't at least experience it once during your teens
Anonymous No.33878204 [Report] >>33879059
>>33873512 (OP)
>everyone looks at virgin men as weak losers

Nobody looks at virgin men, because its not a visible attribute. After a certain age, everyone will simply assume you've had sex at some point, and that is that. If people straight up look at you and assume you are a virgin, you should inquire what makes them assume that, as it will be your first pointer as to what to fix and change to no longer be a virgin.
Secondly, virginity fo rthat logn points towards psychological issues. Get therapy.

>>33873528
>failure to launch male
Meaningless journo mumbo jumbo. Also mostly is boomer corporates malding about young men refusing to be wageslaves, despite wages and work conditions making waging a losing proposition nowadays.

>If you've gone 28yrs with no action then I don't expect that to suddenly change in your 30s
Lost my virginity at 33 myself, now at 36 I've had sex with a good two dozen women, all of whom attractive. Took me several years of therapy to clear up my mommy issues, as that was the problem and not my attractiveness.
If a guy is a virgin for that long, the reason is almost always avoiding sex for some psychological reaosn, not being attractive. You immediately assume that OP has tried and failed without him ever saying so. That is not necessarily the case.
And even if, in other cases its just a death spiral of lack of confidence due to virginity leading to not losing it, once you have sex the spiral is ended and you may proceed as normal.
Anonymous No.33878969 [Report] >>33879009 >>33879570 >>33879637
>>33873937
So basically you know two guys who got settled for by worn-out, post-wall roasties who spent their best years on Chad.

Not the uplifting message you think it is.
Anonymous No.33879009 [Report]
>>33878969
life with a post wall roastie is infinitely superior to being an adult virgin
Anonymous No.33879034 [Report] >>33879570 >>33879864
>>33873716
I do agree that he should care less and pretend he's not a virgin, but implying that other people don't care is mad cope.

>>33873937
>jus b nice
Kill yourself, this is what creates guys like OP in the first place. Being nice doesn't mean anything to women if you have no social skills, no job, and live in your mother's basement.
Anonymous No.33879047 [Report]
The most common cause of male virginity is introversion. It has a double effect of being unattractive to 99% of women and making you socially unavailable/socially awkward.
Anonymous No.33879059 [Report]
>>33878204
I'm on the same track you were I think. I'm 30 and coming to realize I stay away from women (and friends) because I've got it deeply set in my head nobody actually appreciates having me around. I know intellectually that isn't the case and what's actually happening is I don't reciprocate the interest people (including women) show so they assume I want to keep my distance, but I can't stop myself from doing that, or feeling like I'm being rejected even though it's entirely my fault for never taking the initiative to talk to people or make plans. I'm looking around for a therapist, and I hope it goes as well for me as it did for you.
Anonymous No.33879136 [Report]
>>33873512 (OP)
>that the time where it's okay to be a virgin is long gone (I'm 28 btw) because of the outside world. Everyone I know tells me that confidence is key but I know that I will never like myself because of ridicule from past and current times. It just adds up that I will never be a hot guy to women.
What do you want to do about it?
Anonymous No.33879570 [Report] >>33879624 >>33879813
>>33878969
Trade secret - only deeply insecure people feel this way about women. Lives are lived, such is life. Normal women don't have some crazy degrading sexual past - they'll have done normal stuff at normal periods of their life but nothing excessive or paritcularly necessary to feel undermined by.

It's only the chronically online or bitter who end up feeling this way. Everybody else is a lot more human about it.

>>33879034
If you have no social skills, no job and live in your family home - maybe you should work on that. These are kinda the basics of a functional adult. Pretty fucking stupid to try twist what I've said into "just be nice" as if that would ever outweigh being that much of a liability. No reasonable person would ever suggest that and I certainly wasn't.
Anonymous No.33879624 [Report] >>33879631 >>33879699 >>33881223
>>33879570
>Normal women don't have some crazy degrading sexual past
this has to be bait
Anonymous No.33879631 [Report]
>>33879624

It's only bait to terminally online types who have fractured their psyche's so hard that they ain't come back anytime soon.

Regular people kinda just have a tacit acceptance of the game and then go off and play it.

It all swings back to where on the social / life experience spectrum you sit. But I assure you that regular people don't tend to get up to very much at all other than the occasional drunken one night stand and maybe tried anal one time.

Big fucking whoop.
Anonymous No.33879637 [Report] >>33879813
>>33878969

Also, not even close.

Regular people find regular people. It's not all bitter extremes. Do you really think the nerdy / bookish girls out here in the world are really being swooped by "Chad" ? Nah, hate to break it to you but the way the world moves socially is very much like attracts like.

Chads are preoccuppied with the status girlies of the world. Everyone else goes off and finds something that suits their tastes. You'll probably find your future girlfriend's taste in men follows a pattern not far off whatever social substrate you happen to occupy.
Anonymous No.33879699 [Report]
>>33879624
it is bait, he is posting swastikas and other christian symbology, along with the way his posts are worded you can tell it's the typical pro-white you HAVE to make babies 4chan women thread talk, also looks at all the buzzwords he's using like "chad" and "term

he was talking about being insecure but he is subtlety hinting that his own skin color is making him insecure
not only that, he is bumping the thread to keep you rage baited

don't forget these people monitor this website to do this, not just /pol/ & /r9k/

>t. 34 year old celibate since I made that decision when i was around 15 years old
best decision of my mortal self
life is much more than the illusion of the physical world, especially women, babies, lust are all illusions to keep you playing the game, that you all just lost :^)
great post by me for spooky skeleton day if I may say so myself
Anonymous No.33879813 [Report] >>33880256
>>33879570
>>33879637
>a whole lot of words that don't address a single thing from the replied post

Like I said you know a couple of dudes who got settled for by a pair of desperate women past their prime. They're not getting to experience a good love life as late bloomers, they are basically 30+ year old dudes who finally got noticed by 30+ year old women hitting the wall as good "husband" material long after their best years are behind them.

This is not a positive, this is basically confirming that it's fucking over for late bloomers.
Anonymous No.33879863 [Report] >>33879867
>>33873512 (OP)
Well first of all maybe don't ask this kind of questions expecting sane advice on the forum that pretty much invented inceldom. If you really want to have actual answers get therapy.

My advice as someone who struggled with this a lot is to stop fighting it, because it's a very inefficient coping mechanism.

I don't know your life, so maybe you're a normal dude who's been really unlucky. But yeah, it's reasonable to assume that there is something at least a bit wrong with you at this point. And that's where the incels are wrong: it's probably NOT some predestined genetic bullshit. Unless you are an actual cripple, getting laid is not so hard AS LONG AS
1. You have basic socializing skills, a couple friends, and see humans every day.
2. You are willing to do everything that's in you power to get pussy, the ethical stuff like flirting with strangers but also lying and manipulating.

This second point is where the root of the problem is for many. You have to accept that people who are getting regular sex are people who have no problem using unethical shortcuts to get pussy. Are you someone like this? I'm not, so i'm not getting that much sex. But on the other hand I invest a lot in my social skills to give myself the maximum amount of chances, and when I get frustrated I remember that it's not my fault if women love to get manipulated and fucked by actual human garbage.

In other word, accept that you're a "loser", because every second you spend fighting this you are just coping and avoiding the real work. Figure out what is wrong with you, what are your core values and what you're ready to do for sex, and spend every moment maximizing your chance at a fulfilling life. This is the only way.
Anonymous No.33879864 [Report]
>>33879034
>Being nice doesn't mean anything to women if you have no social skills, no job, and live in your mother's basement.

Even if you have all those things women still won't give a shit.
Anonymous No.33879867 [Report] >>33879910
>>33879863
>Don't fight it just accept it!
>But also like, improve yourself and make changes.

So which is? Accept you are a loser or fight to change it?
Anonymous No.33879910 [Report]
>>33879867
It's the same anon. That's the secret I discovered crawling back from deep depression that was mostly sex related.

Shitty self help culture places acceptance on one side of the spectrum and change on the other. That is utter bullshit and guaranteed to keep you unhappy and a cog in the system. Change comes from acceptance, not from frustration and suffering. This is true both on an external level (you are way less attractive when you are desperate) and on an internal level (you are way less likely to work on change if you spend all your mental energy spiraling around frustration).

So first, you need to accept that your situation fucking sucks. Yep, you've missed out on some very enjoyable experiences and important developmental steps. Yep, living without sex is excruciating and there's probably something wrong with you. Give yourself the grace of accepting that you are having a very legitimate reason to suffer.

Then, notice that thinking about those issues do not solve them. It's a coping mechanism. Every time you torture yourself with those thoughts, you are actually not engaging with the issue. I would even argue you are getting some sort of twisted satisfaction doing it. At least I was.

Third step is to stop entertaining those thoughts. Notice them, accept them, remember them, and try to go on with your day. Ideally, write them down to acknowledge that they are part of your experience.

After enough practice with third step, you will start to have a clearer mind. The issues are still here, but you will have more energy. Now, you can use this energy to steer your every day life. Do the stuff that optimizes your chances today, for example meeting more people and making more friends. Notice how easier it is to make friends when you are not constantly suffering.

Worst case scenario, if you die a virgin, you'll be able to tell yourself that you really tried. And it's really all that we can do.
Anonymous No.33879939 [Report]
>>33875001
Male to Female is the way forward, they always have someone they find attractive to cuddle with.
Anonymous No.33879960 [Report]
34 year old virgin. I legitimately don't understand how people interact. I feel like I'm subhuman while everyone else is human. I honestly want to kill myself as I have no hope for the future and don't see a point in going on. I have no hobbies or anything to live for. Nothing brings me any kind of joy and I'm isolated with no one to talk to
Anonymous No.33880256 [Report] >>33881107 >>33881385 >>33881615
>>33879813

The points were addressed. Nobody settled, they found happiness mutually. They found love. "Best years" - my friend as someone who is in their 30s, I do not understand the fetishisation of youth. Sure I'd fuck a 23 year old. Would I marry one? Fuck no. They are stupid. They know fuck all. They lack insight into life, there's nothing there behind the eyes that really screams to me "yeah that's my co-op player for life". This porn damaged bullshit mentality about marrying the tightest pussy you can find is so fucked up. Grab that girl 5 years from now when she's developed some emotional maturity and learned some things about herself through the trials and errors of life. Keep yourself miserable dude, that's your choice. I'm out here advocating that back in the real world, it ain't like that and it's sad to see young men lose themselves in this void of nihilistic despair.

What I think is funny is that one day you are absolutely going to end up understanding what I'm saying. Nobody can keep this level of cynicism up forever. One day some woman is going to come into your life and your value system is going to collapse into submission and you finally get it. Nobody ever fucking cared about that bullshit. We all have pasts. We all had sex. Now we are all older. It's the same shit but a different day.

The young have no concept of getting old. This high-school coded bullshit doesn't matter. Really by your late 20s you should be softening up on this mentality. By 30+ it's done. You now get it. This shit ain't real. Nobody thinks like this and unless you are intending to marry a well known slut from back in the day who associated with your current crowds, there's no reputation damage for either of you.

I hope you find a single mother who loves you so much that it makes you realise the depth of love you can carry in your soul for a woman with a past and the selfless love you can give for another man's child. I think that will heal you.
Anonymous No.33881107 [Report]
>>33880256
I'm sure you and little Tyrese will find Mr. Right someday, anon.
Anonymous No.33881223 [Report] >>33881443 >>33882100
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOOK AT THIS LOSER
either he rep-orted the post or the jannie got upset over the truth, or both!
I'll just repost my comment since it hurt you so much you had to reddit sperg and delete it
LMAO
the previous post even got nice dubs, that must have really set you off huh?
AND NOW YOU POST ROMAN/GREEK PICS OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

>>33879624
it is bait, he is posting swastikas and other christian symbology, along with the way his posts are worded you can tell it's the typical pro-white you HAVE to make babies 4chan women thread talk, also looks at all the buzzwords he's using like "chad" and "terminally online"

he was talking about being insecure but he is subtlety hinting that his own skin color is making him insecure
not only that, he is bumping the thread to keep you rage baited

don't forget these people monitor this website to do this, not just /pol/ & /r9k/

>t. 34 year old celibate since I made that decision when i was around 15 years old
best decision of my mortal self
life is much more than the illusion of the physical world, especially women, babies, lust are all illusions to keep you playing the game, that you all just lost :^)
great post by me for spooky skeleton day if I may say so myself
Anonymous No.33881385 [Report]
>>33880256
>I hope you find a single mother who loves you so much that it makes you realise the depth of love you can carry in your soul for a woman with a past and the selfless love you can give for another man's child. I think that will heal you.
*snap* yeah that goes right into my cringe folder
Anonymous No.33881443 [Report]
>>33881223

thats a warhammer faction logo...
s No.33881481 [Report]
I also feel like a subhuman and feel this thread
Anonymous No.33881615 [Report]
>>33880256
Lol now I know you’re trolling, thanks anon.
Anonymous No.33882100 [Report]
>>33881223

What have I actually said in this thread
>ignore incel/pill narratives, virgins get laid later, this is fine and normal, adults dont care
>seek a relationship not hook ups
>only insecure people adopt hostile views about a woman having had sex before
>women having had sex previously doesnt degrade their value and normal men dont think so either
>extremes of narrative are used to manipulate discourse, stop pointing to "chads"
>don't marry young girls who lack life experience
>who fucking cares about tight pussy, seek love and connection and meaning

What have I not said
>Anything to do with race, marriage or having kids (beyond dating a single mother to learn love lol)

All I've done here is try imbue OP with more self belief and reshape some narratives he has that are a result of a lot of defeat. To encourage him to seek a meaningful connection in life and trust that things will be okay. Hardly 1488 coded.

The images are what they are. The meaning you place on them is not my concern. I'm not here talking politics, race or even society. I'm trying to help this individual get his head right, for his future.

Touch grass dude. Whatever you've got going on, I hope you figure out. I don't know what happened to you in your life and I presume I'd be sympathetic towards it. It's clearly bent you out of shape pretty hard. It shows a real lack of self-awareness to celebrate what you've said here. Just remember that you can change your life the day you decide to.

Have hope.