Thread 33903890

(Some of this is incoherent rambling; I just needed to vent. Chances are, you could relate in some way.

Hello gentlemen. I'm a KHHV Loser, and I've been that way all my life. Throughout my teenage years, women treated me terribly; they would laugh at me, giggle at me when I walked by them in groups, and some of them even pretended to like me as a joke. This was incredibly hurtful, a pain that hasn't left me and probably won't for a while. Now that I've gotten into better shape, taken better care of my hygiene, and gained my only redeeming quality —my height. I've gone from repulsing women to becoming completely invisible around them, like I don't exist. This, along with treatment from the same gender and my own family members, has made me feel completely worthless, as if I were to die tomorrow, people would either not notice or not care; I guess it's a little much to ask for random strangers to care about, but I'm tired of not mattering to anyone

This kinda leads me back to women, I often wish I was not attracted to them, as this would save me a lot of pain and misery of deeply despising them, yet desiring their affection/approval. Almost every interaction I've had with them has been negative, and whenever I'm put in an awkward situation around them, I'm the bad guy for being in a situation I didn't ask for (like being placed in a group with them in school, or having to sit near them in a bus/train). My mind is also warped by the black pill to the point that if I ever did get with a woman, I truly believe I would be incapable of loving her. The idea of a woman telling me she loves me makes me irrationally angry and defensive. It also doesn't help that I was a chronic porn addict and hate myself for spending so many hours beating off to a fucking screen. Which would've never happened if I weren't attracted to women.

I don't know anymore bros. I'm tired and I don't want to feel this way anymore. I'm trying to be better, but it's hard and I feel just so done.

>>33903890 (OP)
>if I ever did get with a woman, I truly believe I would be incapable of loving her
Congratulations! That's the first big boy step to actually having a stable relationship with one. The next step is getting rid of the pedestal in your mind that you still put them on, and growing the backbone necessary to tell them to fuck off when they get testy.

>>33903890 (OP)
I won't read I hate women threads. It's like saying you hate cats, spiders (even if you've been bitten by one) or other strange, occasionally funny and interesting creatures. Makes no sense.

>>33903890 (OP)
stop treating "Women" as some monolith, they're individual human beings with different wants/needs/desires, etc., just like you. Treat them like a regular person and talk to them like one.

All this extraneous baggage would be too much for any single person to overcome, no matter who they are. You're losing before you leave the starting line

uh have you smelled them and touched their pretty hair and felt their soft warm skin and how cushiony they are to give snuggles to

there's a ton of things that are lovable there that guys can't replace

>>33905810
i'd cry so hard

>>33905819
even a girl that doesn't care about you and was just lonely for one night will leave your pillowcase stinking like coconut conditioner for a week. even the mean ones are so lovable it's unfair

>>33905844
;-;

>>33903927
>The next step is getting rid of the pedestal in your mind that you still put them on,
NTA but how exactly are women NOT put on a pedestal by nearly every aspect of society already?

>>33903890 (OP)
i just accepted reality, we are males, we are disposable and replaceable. I don't hate women but i always have this present on my mind. The best a man can get today is casual sex, love doesn't exist anymore

>>33903890 (OP)
Fuck you incel, women treat you like crap because you chase hoes and stacys only. Men have no soul. Kys.

>>33908012
please define "stacy" and "not-stacy"

>>33908030
Well obviously the super nice beautiful flawless girly girl that isn't ever getting old or angry or imperfect. You're all the same. If I get dressed and look good, incels are treating me like some sort of a worthy thing because I look teen and they all want that teen girl. If I look tired or ill suddenly I am disposable. I used to think incels would be happy a girl wants to cherish them but they all want the petite teenlooking girl and the rest is not women. Fuck y'all. No incel deserves sympathy or love. They only see meat because they are but meat.

>>33903927
I don't see the point in being in a relationship if there is no love or companionship in it. At that point, your gf/wife is just a hole you fuck, a job a Fleshlight could do equally well.
>>33905100
Sex, like race, is real, and depending on your genetics, you act differently. Men and women act differently and, on average, treat me worse then my fellow males do
>Treat them like a regular person and talk to them like one.
I do that, kind of goes without saying, I don't have sexual urges towards every woman I see on the street
>>33907969
Something like this is a worst-case scenario, but not unrealistic. y'know? You are partially right and I feel like whatever is holding me back from accepting this is cope. I like to think otherwise, but I haven't been shown much evidence.
>>33908012
Horrendous bait, troon, or just plain retarded. Pick your poision

>>33907969
None of this is true, stop falling for psyops.

>>33907240
Look at this thread. The pedestal is lip service. Any time they think they have any real power they get proven wrong, and then get pissed about it. People will talk out their ass all day about respecting women, then talk like this when they aren't around and treat them like kids when they are. It's an illusion and you're falling for it.

>>33907969
Most of history is running away from this biological fact. You don't need a ton of guys to keep the species going, and most of us would be dead from fighting each other or something if we stayed monke mode. Now that forcing chicks into a stable isn't as okay anymore, everyone's having to face reality again.

>>33908072
I'm a woman you piece of shit. Die, incel

>>33903890 (OP)
Im in the exact same boat pretty much but I believe my soulmate is out there I just gotta focus on my myself first and ill meet her eventually :D

>>33903890 (OP)
In all the cases where I was forced to be around women, it's been almost nothing but stress and hierarchy.

>>33908086
Nta but can this be us

>>33908086
Oh yeah? Tell you what, why don't we date? Give me your discord since we're both "incels", right? Or better yet, give the wonderful anon here >>33908097 a chance
>>33908087
I hope so too, anon, I hope so too... I don't consider myself fully blackpilled, as I believe any man could bring himself up to a 5/6 out of ten if he really worked on himself, which is something I'm trying to do, but motivation is a bitch
>>33908090
Literally me

>>33908059
most guys just want an average looking woman (she can be a little skinny or a little chubby without going to extremes) that doesn't go whoring around. tho if we are talking exclusively about incels you may have a point, i've seen some over here calling really beautiful women of even models "mid" or "4/10"

>>33908074
i don't see many women working on the oil well...

>>33908122
Exactly.

>>33908108
That is what I am talking about dude. I am 29 and I work my ass off in a gym, I got fst from medication but I'm losing it. And guess what? People at work think I am 22. Incel guys that I know say that I am too old. Too old for fucking what? A 40 yo incel told me my face wasn't beutiful. Probably because I don't look anime. I am fucking done dude. They can't even decide, sometimes I am 7/10, sometomes I am 3/10. I want to kill them for rating me, what the hell? I am scared to get old because no man will want me. I used to visit this forum in our country. Incels started infiltrating that place and suddenly I am one of the few females that is left. And it redpilled me, dude. They want teens and unless you are a teen you're trash. I lost my mind a little because sadly lotsa men around me irl are like that too. I am starting becoming misandrist. Fuck incels and fuck men.

>>33908097
Well it could be. That's actually a nice cartoon

>>33908155
West coast?

>>33908097
Well anon? Tell me more about yourself! I wish I could point you out to my old thread about me being a cripple femcel but unfortunatelly everything on this site has to be always anonymous so my thread is GONE

>>33908168
Czech Republic

>>33908149
but why do you focus on incels? you just say it, people at your work think that you look good so why pay attention to a place like this?

>>33908185
:( It wasnt meant to be

>>33908191
Dammit

>>33908187
Because I don't want a relationship based on apperance. I want somebody for their mind. And where else do you see people's unmasked self but online?

Anyway you sick fucks disgust me

>>33908179
Im only 18 so im still pretty boring but Im learning guitar which is cool i think and focusing on being more social and stuff cuz i never talked to anyone or did anything for all of highschool.

>>33908198
i mean you have a point but i don't think your average normie is thinking about bbc, jews and obscure blackpill, geomaxxing and shit. the "unfiltered normie" is on Twitter i think

>>33908209
Oh my gosh dude, you're a lad. Don't worry. Just don't get redpilled and you'll find a sweet loving girl, I already can tell you have a sweet personality. I swear of I was 10 years younger and from a west coast, I'd take you out for a date. I wish you best of luck.

>>33908214
I can't have a normie. I am not a normie myself.

>>33908224
:D Thanks

>>33908229
I thank you, I am not so angry at men anymore.

>>33908226
thennnn it's over, i really think that nowadays everyone is either a normie or mentally ill

>>33908149
>teens
This has a lot to do with the male teenage experience being one of marginalisation, violence, ostracisation, rejection, and mindless hatred.

Having gone through that they emerge into adulthood and everyone needs their cooperation to survive and do well. The world flickers between needing our help, depending on us, and not giving a fuck if we catch fire.

OP was saying how he's tired of not mattering. It's a common sentiment and those of us not crashing out still had to find a way to overcome that exact thing.

>>33908243
You don't understand. Normies are boring. I want a 4chan incel. Or any incel really. But they're obsessed with looks and cuteness. That's really stressing. I am capable of falling in love with guys personality and how we get along and attraction to looks just comes with it. Why they don't have it the same? In the end we all get old and 'ugly'. Well I find that 'ugly' pretty. Imperfection and exploring vulnerable places is what is sexy and creates intimacy. But after the constant 1/10, 5/10, 10/10 shit and lookmaxx I feel like any man just wants to get rid of the female once she gets ugly or old and find a new one. That's terrible. But in many families it is reality.

>>33908251
Well that applies to anybody who enters the adulthood alone, doesn't it

That czech femcel here, I gotta go, see y'all around. OP, don't hate women you just gotta find a nonsuperficial kind girl. I think we two might have a similar problem with toxic opposite gender surroundings. But that's just a guess. Good luck

>>33908267
yeah i understand it really revolves around "?/10".
>I feel like any man just wants to get rid of the female once she gets ugly or old and find a new one

i really envy my grandparents on this, they have been together for so many years and you can see how their relationship has evolved to a point where they feel "comfy" with each other if that makes sense. It's like coming home after a long day, you don't scream "oh i love my home and how beautiful it is!" it's just your home and you know it. That's how i see them.

idk this is kinda stupid but my disc is elportenio if you wanna talk to me

>>33908305
Yeah i will dm you tommorow, see ya

>>33908305
Also better delete your discord before some creep starts stalking you, this os 4chan after all. Cya

>>33908271
No. It applies to those who have rarely, if ever, experienced a positive human interaction in which they were valued as a sentient being.

>>33908305
I sent you a friendship request

>>33908305
Or at least I hope it did. Eh whatever I usually don't use discord so if you didn't get any request you can try to reach on my discord tasha_natasha_ username

>>33908267
Thing is that they are incels for a reason.
Any guy who is ugly but chill and fine with it will inevitably stumble into some chick who thinks like you, and even if he doesn't hes not going to waste his life by malding on the internet over retarded shit.

>I feel like any man just wants to get rid of the female once she gets ugly or old and find a new one
Kinda funny, because vice versa incels are all driven by the fear of loving a woman, only for her to unceremoniously drop them once Chad winks her way. Its terminally online who have no idea how human relationships work, and the vast majority are just projecting some kind of mental disorder.

>>33908557
I don't know. I've been an outcast my whole life. I thought incels understand the rage. But the more I get to know them the more I get rejected over some bullshit

>>33908557
Also I don't understand the chad obsession. I never liked it. To me the whole thing is too non human, an empty concept of so called perfection that basically erases any kind of love for an actual individual.

>>33908569
On a personal level/meeting that may even be the case. But in internet communities, its groupthink and sitting in abasement all day while making up phantasy scenarios and reinforcing each other. Its crabs in a bucket. Meeting an incel IRL may beone thign, engage with them online I would not.

>>33908581
>the chad obsession
Ist a way to get rid of their responsibility for their own lifes. If they create some mental image of a hypothetical "Chad" who just magically fucks hundreds of women without effort, they are rid of any and all blame for their own situation and don't have to do anything at all, never leave their comfort zone because Its Over anyways.

>an empty concept of so called perfection that basically erases any kind of love for an actual individual.

I think the "hard core" of those people are genuine autists and psychopaths, people who lack the brain parts necessary to grasp emotions and social interatcions and thus need everything in concrete numbers. Reducing humans to a set of numbers like height and dick size is the way they explain the world to themselves. Its nonsense for any human actually capable of living.

>>33908629
>Reducing humans to a set of numbers like height and dick size is the way they explain the world to themselves.

I know, it's sick to view people like that. But it's not just incels, it's everywhere. You see if you don't really form deeper interpersonal relationships with real people you only got internet. And honestly, internet is all about this shit. It's sad.
My break is over. See ya

>>33908710
Well, the internet is bad for your mind unless you have good filters in your mind. they don't call it brainrot for no reason. Good luck.

>>33903890 (OP)
Handle it on a case by case basis.

>>33903890 (OP)
I don't hate women, I'm just not interested in 99% of them.
Most women are about as interesting as watching paint dry.
I am more interested in having a vibrant spiritual connection with a woman, but since most people are NPCs this is pretty hard to find.
When you do meet people that are different, you make the most of the time you have and savor it.

>>33903890 (OP)
>Now that I've gotten into better shape, taken better care of my hygiene, and gained my only redeeming quality —my height. I've gone from repulsing women to becoming completely invisible around them, like I don't exist
You looksmaxxed and self improved and women know that, the problem is they still don't want you so that's why they ignore you.
This could have been prevented if you were born a Chad, not only would you not have needed to "self improve" but women would already like you before that so that if you self improved, they would like you even more. Whereas if you are ugly and self improve, they just ignore you and probably wish you didn't "self improve" and actually think you have a chance with them.

i'm the same way but i don't hate women because i view them as individuals, not a collective. the women who would make fun of me, use me, endanger me, etc, those are entirely different people from the women i will meet in the future. they didn't act that way because they're women, they acted that way because they're fucked up people.

>>33908224
Dried up, bitter, ugly 30 year old cunt is on 4chan seething at random men. Fucking 30. At least. Wow. Just kys already, actually

>>33903890 (OP)
Stay off the internet and you should be fine

>>33903890 (OP)
When you're bottom of the barrel people will avoid you or take out their frustrations on you because they know no one cares about you socially. Just remember that most people are just animals that invest more and treat better those with better dna. Just accept most people do not want to see their fellow man as equal, and are like animals and you'll find peace.
I've been ignored and bullied and graped, and hate moids. Even after I got a nice bf I still hate moids, because realistically most are detestable and I just got lucky. But he may well still turn out to be detestable eventually. When you're bottom of the barrel you can't trust anyone, especially as an autist.