Why are shelters built to look like prisons? The dogs in them always look like they want to commit suicide.

Because dogs are terrible and deserve unhappiness.

>>5001814 (OP)
>implying that dogs don't make the face on the right when they find the answer to their problems is suicide

if the dogs prefer being in the shelter than in a home then you're going to have serious trouble getting them adopted

>>5001814 (OP)
Because boomers grew up on jewish ideals (christianity) and therefore hate dogs. They also choke shock and beat them "for dominance". The bible repeatedly tells them dogs are terrible and below man, and they cant get it out of their heads that they must enact that even though they follow the natural white impulse to befriend animals.

Shelters induce trauma and make dogs prone to fear aggression. Ones designed by atheist youth have angled or solid doors so dogs cant see each other.

>>5001829
This makes the most sense.

>>5001879
its this, anyone who grew up strongly christian or just anywhere near boomer culture treats dogs like living garbage.

>>5001815
/thread

>>5001879
>>5001990
christian europe was one of the first places to start seeing dogs as part of the family and not just a working animal though.

>>5002459
It's actually true that religion worsened western attitudes torwards dogs, but it wasn't "all christianity".

Christian europe started out by locking the bible away from the rabble so intelligent, well bred people could decide which middle eastern bullshit to ignore (also, dogs were already being buried with people 10,000 years ago and were doubtlessly cherished)

Protestants, on the other hand, opened up every retard to the way semites speak poorly of dogs and without context from the authors culture and environment and how it differed from europes, they took it literally. Competitive dog deforming is a protestant thing.

>>5002459
The earliest dogs domesticated lived inside the tents of hunter-gatherers who domesticated them and were buried with them, hunter-gatherer/nomadic societies to this day have a high opinion of dogs and even wolves (see: american native tribes)
It's when you combine settled societies + semitic brain virus(es) that you get gun dogs, hounds, etc who were bred to be in kennels/outside until they are "needed"
Molossers and guardian breeds are the exception to this but they are still a degeneration from the early domestic dogs who had being unfriendly/territorial bred out of them

>>5002462
>Christian europe started out by locking the bible away
Every single Christian was allowed to read the bible when they actually were inside church, which they diligently did every Sunday. John Chrysostom talks about how it's not permissible for any Christian that isn't well educated in the scriptures to not actively be doing that every week.

>>5002462
Oh hey, it's the pagan LARPing dogfucker again. Do you still think raping your husky is doing your VGH EVROPAN pagan ancestors proud?

>religion faggots and atheist faggots once again derail a thread and shit up all discussion about a topic

>>5002472
Well, religion IS a pretty easy explanation for why humans, who co-evolved with and co-habitated with domestic dogs for tens of thousands of years, suddenly had such a stark change in attitude towards them in the course of a few thousand years.

>>5002468
>Protestants are shit, a common point of view considering they are
>LARPING PAGAN DOGFUCKER HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ANGLO SAXON PROTESTANTS MORALS!
Seethe more.

>>5002465
How many european peasants got to actually READ the bible without guidance, not have it explained to them? Almost none. Christianity was only a functional religion before the common people were allowed to reinterpret it.

The difference between catholics (who normally love dogs) and protestants (who traditionally treat dogs like garbage and make an extra severe point about them being below humans) says it all.

>>5002472
No one's an atheist here, it's just a matter of most people not being intelligent enough to correctly interpret the bible and not understanding that the various middle eastern customs that leak through are not the literal word of god, it's just that the text as a whole was inspired by god and mixed with some local legends and laws over time. It's easy to sort out which is which. To be christian is to selectively ignore the jewish parts. If a jew is quoted as speaking as if dogs are undesirable, that is not because god doesn't like dogs, that's because the people in that area failed to maintain a good relationship with canines, likely due to the climate and resource scarcity.

>>5002491
most people also fail to interpret subduing and having dominance over animals properly - most protestants see this as a negative. man is to take from animals because to protestant subduing and dominion are negative, violent things (they hate the pope, and it almost seems they hate christ himself with how much power and agency they assign the devil)

The catholic take is that it is meant in the same way god has dominion over man, and the soul of the animal is as close to god as man's. Which beast of eden alone disobeyed the lord?

>>5001879
>Because boomers grew up on jewish ideals (christianity)
Retard.

>>5001815
Kill all dogs and dog owners. Suddenly the world would be better.

>>5002525
*tips menorah*

>>5002528
If you actually knew anything about the bible and what judaism actually is you wouldn't conflate christaininty with it. Doubly so when "Jew" is a modernised identity based on the Hebrew tribes that refused to convert and to adopt to the ideals that Christ taught.

>>5002529
sure thing moishe

>>5002530
>sure thing moishe

>>5002529
christianity is a sect of temple judaism, which acknowledges the jewish messiah jesus of nazareth
modern judaism is fundamentally the same religion but had a thousand+ years of development by jews who did not acknowledge the messianic status of jesus, and have no temple
same exact root religion. different due to the universal nature of christianity which in the book of acts decides to abolish certain ritual laws for its believers, but it is the same mythos based especially on the pentateuch

The same reason prisons look like prisons. When you're caring for a large population of anything, a certain design becomes the most efficient way to do so. A prison-like structure allows for maximum visibility and ease of cleaning.

>>5002533
And why was he the Messiah? Because the Hebrews went out there way to go against the teachings of the Old Testament. Isaiah outlines this explicietly. Jesus was to fulfill new guidence, but some Hebrews refused to follow him and went on to form the Talmud which is the backbone of Jewish tradition, dogma and moral guidence and not the Old Testament. So to say that Christianity follows "Jewish" ideals is disingenuous. They both derive from old Hebrew scripture, but one sees that old scripture as something to remember with the New Testament while the other see it as an historical account with no real basis to follow while choosing to consult the Talmud.

"Juadea" values is a modern conception to unify western nations with Israeli Nationalists. It has no real bearing on reality.

>>5001879
>>5002528
He's right, you are a retard.

There aren't two more polar opposite beliefs than Judaism and Christianity. The Jews are literally trying to criminalize the New Testament in America right now, but it's obvious my time is already wasted on a fool like you.

>>5002533
Another retard. Find the word "judaism" in the Bible. Tell me why the Jews' holy book, the Talmud, talks about Jesus if Christianity came from Judaism?

You don't know shit, you underage retard.

>>5002486
So that's a yes, that is you. You're pretty recognizable.

>>5002540
>Jesus was to fulfill new guidence
let me continue from what I said about acts. sure, ritual laws like circumcision don't have to be observed by christians. but jesus says in his own words that he did not come to abolish the law and prophets, but to fulfill them. the entire jewish mythos from the old testament is also yours. a "messiah" fufilling the law and the prophets not being a jewish concept is risible.
>but some Hebrews refused to follow him and went on to form the Talmud
so many people speak on the talmud like they even read a page. it's near complete impenetrable gibberish that clearly is for rabbis only; standard jewish fare like inane ramblings over minutiae. they follow, guess what, the law and the prophets. their own pharisaical interpretations with the talmud (rabbinic judaism is what it is, to be specific), but the law and the prophets nontheless. while the parable of the fig tree among others does indicate that jews did not bear fruit and thus the religion gave their inheritance to the gentiles, it's an extreme logical leap to then say that this religion given as inheritance which is based on the law and the prophets is nothing like what jews today followed. nope, it's jewish all the way.
>>5002541
>Find the word "judaism" in the Bible. Tell me why the Jews' holy book, the Talmud, talks about Jesus if Christianity came from Judaism?
and you never read the talmud. nobody sane has the patience to even read a page, you think jews want to read that shit?
christianity comes from the law and prophets, being a religion that claims to have fufilled messianic prophecies within the old testament canon. which jews also follow, and are also awaiting a messiah to fulfill these exact same prophesies

>>5002543
The fact you keep conflating Hebrews with Jew or Jewish continues to show your conflation with modern interpretations. The Talmud, regardless of "minutiae" is very different from the Old Testament and allows the Jews to not consult or dismiss it outright. It started with the Hebrews, then Christians and those Hebrews who refused to convert became Jews. You are working backwards. The law of the prophets is not Jewish law, it is the law of God as seen by the Hebrew prophets.

I am surprised no one has pointed the pitbull yet in OPs image

>>5002548
Please don't. We already have /x/ in this thread, we don't need /pol/ too

>>5002544
>The fact you keep conflating Hebrews with Jew or Jewish
hebrews are a historic people and temple judaism was their historical religion. I'm sorry if "temple judaism" sets off your autism, but that is a historic term for what existed as a religion until the second temple was razed. however, that doesn't mean offshoot sects of the religion didn't endure after - a sect which claims to follow a messiah that already fulfilled temple judaism (christianity), and a sect that was what remained of those scattered after the temple was destroyed (modern jews). but they are sects of the original religion, with a shared canon.
>The Talmud, regardless of "minutiae" is very different from the Old Testament and allows the Jews to not consult or dismiss it outright.
there is no talmud without the law and the prophets. it's entirely just autismal rigorous deliberations over those very books and commentary on jewish traditions/laws/figures/rituals and exists to codify "we jews believe thus so about the tanakh".
>and those Hebrews who refused to convert became Jews.
they didn't "refuse to convert" it was more like there were some jews who believed in the messiah jesus, many gentiles who converted to christianity, jews who expected a conqueror/davidic figure who would destroy the romans instead of jesus of nazareth, and jews that just didn't care and followed the temple religion until it was destroyed and they had to be vagrants
>The law of the prophets is not Jewish law, it is the law of God as seen by the Hebrew prophets.
who followed a religion called temple judaism. lol.

God damn it shut the fuck up, it's a thread about shelters.

>>5002550
>who followed a religion called temple judaism
It was the called the Temple of Jerusalem and Judae originates from Judah or Yehuda, which is only one of the 12 Hebrew tribes. So no, the Hebrews weren't "Jewish". You just want to conflate them because you believe if you can taint the well you can win the argument.

Or maybe you really don't know what you are talking about at all.

>>5002551
Shut up nerd we need to figure out whether shitbulls are jewish or christian

>>5002552
>So no, the Hebrews weren't "Jewish".
it goes hebrew -> israelite -> jew. which means jews are...guess what...hebrews.
plus, that doesn't negate what I've said regarding shared canon and history, the fact that you can even deliberate the same exact canon scripture with jews and point to books like daniel or isaiah to try and "convince" a jew that jesus of nazareth is the messiah should be a big, fat, red hot indicator in your brain that you and jews are not very different
>Or maybe you really don't know what you are talking about at all.
you aren't addressing anything specific with this one. I can confidently say I've never seriously tried to read the talmud. that's why I never go with
>uh research told me the talmud is the most authoritative and says jews are vampire aliens who have sex with the shekinah and will rule as living alien gods over goys, let's go with that, I'll bring up the talmud in every jew/christian discussion despite not knowing a thing about it, I hate jews but I also have to be a christian since it's based and tradpilled so here's how I fit that into my mental framework

>>5002556
>working backwards again and is now arguing with a strawman
I accept yout concession, my point still stands here >>5002525. You're a retard who has literally fallen for modern Israeli nationalist rhetoric.

>>5002557
you probably don't even know the difference between supersessionism and modern boomer dual covenant theology which is the camp you are trying to fit me in, ie, looking for an easy way out because you mentally cannot continue the discussion because you lack the knowledge or brainpower

>>5001814 (OP)
Shelters could have peak aesthetics and it doesn't matter; it's still very stressing for a dog to be in a small environment watching people pass by with no stimulation. They're not happy cause they got adopted, they're happy cause they get to move around and look at something new for a change. They won't realize they've been adopted until like, a week later when they adjust to a new environment.

>>5002563
>They're not happy cause they got adopted, they're happy cause they get to move around and look at something new for a change
This.

>>5002564
so basicly they are happy because they got adopted

>>5002565
They are happy of the new turn of events but not the ramifications of being "adopted"

>>5001815
Actually surprised neither of the replies are seething doglovers

>>5002541
you explain to me why you think the word of god was captured thousands of years ago by literal goatfuckers and there has been no interaction since

>>5002556
>jews… will rule as living alien gods
That's Mormons. That's legitimately exactly what Mormonism teaches, that if you live a good, Mormon life, you will become a living, alien god.*
Our own god, according to Mormonism, was once a human who lived a good, Mormon life on a far off planet called Koleb and was resurrected after death as a perfect, living, alien god whose body, soul and spirit fused into one.
>* unless you're a woman. mormon women look forward to an eternity of sexual slavery and perpetual pregnancy as one of many "spirit wives" of a mormon living, alien god; yes, according to mormonism, god the father has a living, alien god-dick that he uses to fuck his living, alien spirit wives in order to give them his living, alien god-jizz, which they then become pregnant by and who give birth to souls which become incarnated on earth
They also believe that Quakers live on the moon. Yes, really.

>>5002598
Catnigs always seethe about dogs, that’s the difference

>>5002542
>It has to be you it has to be! reee!
I'm a devout catholic. Protestants, especially evangelicals, are evil. Sorry!

It's just a fact that protestants are the founders of all cultural institutions that treat dogs like shit. I believe this is because allowing protestants to read the bible, without them being educated or intelligent enough to sort out local tradition from divine truth, is what caused this. Because protestants are always notoriously stupid.

greek orthodox here i feed stray dogs and chase out cats

other denominations are reddit. cats are the islam animal. dogs are friends.

>>5002603
there has been, christ said "alright those guys can fuck off" and called them of their father the devil and then his forces btfo more goatfuckers in the crusades

>>5002661
I am russian orthtodox and cats are lame home decor animals and dont help with rodents

>>5002661
>greek orthodox
>other denominations are reddit

Jew here. 4chan is a cat website and dogs are reddit animals for low IQ control freak sociopaths. You cant prove me wrong. Society would better with only cats, no dogs.

>>5002675
>Jew here
False. Jews only post on /pol/

>>5002676
Dont tell me what we do you antisemite

>>5002661
>other denominations are reddit.
classic online orthodox religious conviction

>>5002677
kabbalah internet magic strikes again

>>5002675
As a fellow Jew I am inclined to agree. The keeping of dogs for nonproductive reasons is distinctly the pleasure of the uncircumcized.

You all joke, but cats have an actual semitic origin

>>5002682
vikings liked both cats and dogs
semites only like cats

>>5002684
Vikings were the first people to realize cats sucked at rodent control, so they created a special ship dog just for killing all the rats.

>>5002684
Vikings likely used domesticated forest cats or lynxs, however the bulk of the modern domestic cat population today originates from mesopotamia

>>5002682
Literally never heard the actual explanation to that, but whatever

>>5002539
This is the reasonable answer.

>thread about dogs turns into faggots fighting about jews

>>5001814 (OP)
I look forward to the photo in a month where they're both back in the shelter because they're awful dogs and adopting two of them at once is just asking for trouble

>>5002873
It's as simple as >>5002686. Domestic cats orignate from mesopotamia and were domesticated by early farmers who made the switch from hunter gather tribes to aggriculture. A good number of these tribes formed the lineage of what would become the semitic people and the birth of the conotation around cats being able to do pest control as the proto-domestic were observed to have some impact on detering rodents which to early agriculturalists was a massive boon, even if the effect was minimal as minimal changes back then could still mean the difference between a good harvest or not having a sustainable supply of food. As these tribes spread and formed kingdoms and traded across the middle east these cats became more and more domesticated until slowly reaching the fringes of Europe. Fast forward some thousands years with farmers taking on domestic cats as a valued form of pest deterant and cats went everywhere where a trade port or source of aggriculture was. Then throw in the fact that these domestic cats interbred with other forms of wild cat and either killed them off or outbred them into extinction with cross-breeds and you have this feline pet monopoly that we see today.

>>5002883
>Minimal
Mythical, more like. Cats just make rodents hide and have no observable effect on the total population. Chalk it up to "this is the same species that still thinks the earth is flat and diseases are divine ill will"

>>5002882
>I look forward to the photo in a month where they're both back in the shelter because they're awful dogs and adopting two of them at once is just asking for trouble
Dogs aren't people. They aren't in there because they committed crime, they are there because their previous owners couldn't handle responsibility of raising a pet.

>>5002887
That might be true of the one in front, yes, but the one behind it...

>>5002890
nothing wrong with sampling a baby when it's left out in the open

>>5002883
Interesting. Although I don't think that means they're inherently Jewish. I usually see anglo circles like England having cats, or even when traditionally speaking, Egypt, not really Jewish groups.

>>5001814 (OP)
The real question is why do we even have shelters. The animals are usually there for the biggest reason known as....

Humans simply don't want them.

That's the biggest reason for animal shelters existing. If the animal really is not wanted then why not kill them? And makes me angry is most pet owners are always irresponsible bastards who do an awful job with animals.

>>5002527
Have a universal hatred of pet owners in general. Makes me angry is how pet owners think that their pets acting bothersome to neighbors is meant to be tolerated. Dogs naturally are annoying but cats piss me off. And don't get me started on the freaks who bring their abnormal pets to random places, think examples like snakes.

With every new day I grow to hate pet owners on a global scale. Filthy subhuman zoophile shit.

>>5002902
Those are are fair points, but there is a cavet regarding Egypt and England. The earliest Egyptian documentation of cats dates around 3000 BCE. This was a time where the middle east was starting to build trade routes across the region and areas such as Mesopotamia was a big hub of that trade. Bearing in mind that current historical analysis places the begining of domestication with cats to be around 12,000 BCE with the adoption of farming in Mesopotamia, it is not difficult to see how it could be argued that Egypt's cats may have orignated from Mesopotamia originally before being naturalised. England is an interesting case however. For most of its history along with Scotland they had their own wild cats which roamed in the wild. However, domestic cats only started to appear with the Roman occupation of England. The Romans took domestic cats virtually everywhere they went and these cats again originated from the middle east, and by extension, Mesopotamia. But these domestic cats began to interbreed with the native wild cat population and as a result a far more varied lineage formed compared to the middle eastern stock. The interbred so much that they virtually killed off the native wild cat population and still to this day there have been failed attempts to re-introduce wild cats into the wild only to be intermixed with domestic cats again. Regardless though, you can argue that there were emergent domestic cats in europe because of the nature of wild cats, but the extent to that being still true today is questionable due to the level of cross breeding that has taken place over the course of thousands of years.