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Anonymous No.5021301 [Report] >>5021303 >>5021887 >>5022045 >>5024984
T-rex and his closest relatives:
>literally EVERY skin impression known, from all the possible body parts show SCALES
Redditors:
>i MUST add at least SOME feathers to this animal, or Trump gonna win 'n sheit!!!
Anonymous No.5021303 [Report] >>5021312 >>5021322 >>5021327 >>5021584
>>5021301 (OP)
No mention of the fact that they have blue paint on their faces or how individuals of the same species somehow have entirely different colours ranging beyond just sex like they're cartoon characters?
Anonymous No.5021312 [Report] >>5021350
>>5021303
Do you not know what polymorphism is?
Anonymous No.5021321 [Report]
>T-rex
It's T. rex.
Anonymous No.5021322 [Report] >>5021354
>>5021303
Anonymous No.5021327 [Report] >>5021330
>>5021303
Anonymous No.5021330 [Report] >>5021339 >>5021583 >>5023048
>>5021327
>using miniscule birds as an analogue for 10+m long megafauna
According to this shit you picked off reddit you would have elephants of every colour of the rainbow
Anonymous No.5021339 [Report] >>5021883
>>5021330
>using miniscule birds as an analogue for 10+m long megafauna
Yes, and?

>you picked off reddit
I got it from Google, but more specifically this study: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330365465_New_sightings_of_melanistic_Green_Herons_Butorides_virescens_in_the_Caribbean_suggest_overlooked_polymorphism

>you would have elephants of every colour of the rainbow
Nice hyperbole, but no.
Anonymous No.5021350 [Report] >>5021550
>>5021312
Evidence for polymorphism in albertosaurus?
Saying it should have X trait without evidence because none closely related creatures have it is lobotomite levels of retarded.
Anonymous No.5021352 [Report]
Anonymous No.5021354 [Report]
>>5021322
This is zebra tier. Wher is the rgb face paint.
Anonymous No.5021357 [Report]
Anonymous No.5021368 [Report] >>5021583 >>5022017
A giant ambush predator would not have garish blue markings on it's face
>b-but
It wouldn't, paleofags need to actually go outside and look at living animals for reference already
Anonymous No.5021550 [Report]
>>5021350
>how individuals of the same species somehow have entirely different colours ranging beyond just sex like they're cartoon characters
Anon implied that animals of the same species can't have different colors outside of sexual dimorphism, which is blatantly wrong considering polymorphism exists. Albertosaurus having or not having polymorphism is irrelevant to that statement
Anonymous No.5021580 [Report]
Man's getting upset about a dinosaur in a tv show for toddlers
Anonymous No.5021581 [Report] >>5021586 >>5021648
Are the Redditors in the room with us right now?
Anonymous No.5021583 [Report] >>5021692 >>5021694 >>5021851
>>5021330
Unlike many large mammals, all dinosaurs likely saw more colors than even we do. Both crocodiles and birds see in color, and so do other reptiles, so dinosaurs definitely did see in color.
>>5021368
As long as it can catch prey and live on to breed, a trait will be passed along even if it doesn't harm or help.
Predator colors can vary broadly just as long as it doesn't hinder their success. (Tigers get away with that color since their prey sees it as green)

Komodo dragons also have faint but colorful iridescence.
Anonymous No.5021584 [Report] >>5021590 >>5021691
>>5021303
Quick lads post your favorite blue-faced animals
Anonymous No.5021586 [Report]
>>5021581
Sadly yes but not me. >>5021582
Anonymous No.5021590 [Report]
>>5021584
The diference is that it actually looks cool and appealing here
Anonymous No.5021648 [Report]
>>5021581
:0
Anonymous No.5021691 [Report]
>>5021584
>comparing a monkey to a giant predatory reptile
Do paleotroons even know real animals?
Anonymous No.5021692 [Report] >>5021884 >>5021948
>>5021583
According to your logic crocodiles should be bright purple because they see colour
Also using the komodo dragon as a comparison just makes the Nu-WWD design look like garish cartoon trash more and more
Anonymous No.5021694 [Report]
>>5021583
>Komodo dragons also have faint but colorful iridescence
They’re not iridescent at all
Anonymous No.5021851 [Report] >>5024988
>>5021583
But that coloring makes sense because they live in jungles where greens and oranges are aplenty, and this they are camouflaged. Where in the t rex's habitat could you find neon colors that would be useful for camouflage? Having those colors would make it stick out like a sore thumb unless their prey had dichromatic vision
Anonymous No.5021883 [Report]
>>5021339
You can't prove elephants AREN'T rainbow colors. Therefore they are.
Anonymous No.5021884 [Report]
>>5021692
Notice how the bullshit logic featherniggers use for dinosaurs supposedly based on (cherrypicked) living animals is never applied to OTHER living animals? Weird. It's almost like they know they're just making shit up.
Anonymous No.5021887 [Report] >>5021916 >>5021923 >>5021951 >>5022042
A consensus of paleontologists agrees that birds evolved from theropod dinosaurs. The scenario for this hypothesis is that early theropod dinosaurs were endothermic, and evolved simple filamentous feathers for insulation. These feathers later increased in size and complexity and then adapted to aerodynamic uses. Ample evidence for this hypothesis has been found in the fossil record, specifically for such dinosaurs as Kulindadromeus, Sinosauropteryx, Caudipteryx, Microraptor and many others.

>>5021301 (OP)
The skin impressions are tiny and small "elephant hair" proto-feathers do not fossilize well. Opinion disregarded.
Anonymous No.5021916 [Report] >>5021917
>>5021887
>A consensus of paleontologists agrees
Any time a group of "scientiests" has to get together to "declare" something, that means it's 100% false. Science doesn't have to protest this much. If it's right it simply is. Opinions don't matter. Propaganda doesn't matter.
Anonymous No.5021917 [Report] >>5021919
>>5021916
>Any time a group of "scientiests" has to get together to "declare" something, that means it's 100% false
This never happened
Anonymous No.5021919 [Report] >>5021922
>>5021917
he wishes scientists would make public declarations of truth so he could fight against them.
instead he's left looking stupid because he doesn't understand science isn't in the business of handing out truth. He's punching at ghosts that don't exist. Truly a wasted life.
Anonymous No.5021922 [Report]
>>5021919
Stop talking to yourself, trannybot.
Anonymous No.5021923 [Report] >>5021925 >>5021926
>>5021887
>9/10 scientists say the COVID vaccine is safe and effective
Anonymous No.5021925 [Report]
>>5021923
>9/10 doctors recommend cigarette brand X.
Anonymous No.5021926 [Report] >>5021927 >>5021930 >>5021972
>>5021923
Because it is safe and effective. Just because your IQ has more in common with a house thermostat, and you cant comprehend basic statistics and what that implies doesn't mean its not true.
Anonymous No.5021927 [Report]
>>5021926
Oh no no no
Anonymous No.5021930 [Report] >>5021933
>>5021926
Bruh you got 5 untested vaccines from the company responsible for the largest lawsuit in human history for putting asbestos in baby powder. Sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.
Anonymous No.5021933 [Report] >>5021934 >>5021943
>>5021930
That's the fun part, I didn't, I fucking hate needles, live alone and autism demands I act like a neurotic germophobe. So I just let the whole fiasco blow over.

I'm just not retarded enough to ignore the hundreds of millions of people who got the vaccine and are perfectly fine and healthy. As opposed to the relative handful of cases of the vaccine causing ill affects.

But please do go on about how I'm some woke reddit libtard tranny, who got 50 doses of pfizer to own the chuds...
Anonymous No.5021934 [Report] >>5021971
>>5021933
No, now that just makes you an autist (retard) that believes what he's told despite the fact that it literally wasn't safe and effective.
Anonymous No.5021943 [Report]
>>5021933
Go, engagement bot, go! I'm replying ovah heuh. I'm postin' ovah heuh!.
Anonymous No.5021948 [Report] >>5022330
>>5021692
>According to your logic crocodiles should be bright purple because they see colour
>all dinos are ambush predators
Anonymous No.5021951 [Report] >>5021971 >>5021972 >>5021987
>>5021887
Aren't feathers an ancestral trait for all dinosaurs?
Anonymous No.5021971 [Report] >>5021974
>>5021934
>its retarded to comprehend basic statistics
ok retard
>>5021951
Yes and current evidence suggests they are ancestral to both Ainosaurs and Pterosaurs.
Anonymous No.5021972 [Report] >>5021973 >>5021988
>>5021951
yeah, "feathers" are (more like scale-hair)

>>5021926
The MRNA vaccines are not. Not until vaccine is redefined, and "acceptable losses" are added to public health jargon as doctors look the other way to protect investor profits. When two vaccines do the same thing and vaccine A causes more issues and deaths than vaccine B, vaccine A must be pulled. But the US is corrupt and a lot of representatives and appointed policymakers had a lot of money in the israel-developed MRNA vaccines. Which surprises no one because AIPAC holds a supermajority in congress.

China, a nation that is objectively more intelligent and honest as a whole than the united states, did not approve MRNA vaccines for public use. They are researching them, but they are not using them. They are using a round of traditional killed virus vaccines. And they developed the fucking bioweapon in the first place. What does that tell you?
Anonymous No.5021973 [Report]
>>5021972
This is the same story as the "safe, effective, and required" hep B vaccine btw

American and british scientists fuck up constantly. Distemper and AIDS were both created due to breeding vaccines in contaminated tissue. And then investors sweep it under the rug. Humanity will not be at peace until China rules the Earth.
Anonymous No.5021974 [Report]
>>5021971
>"smart" man told me some numbers and I believe him! I'm not retarded at all!
Anonymous No.5021987 [Report]
>>5021951
Not even remotely. There is zero actual fossil evidence for this. It's a totally fabricated, religious belief of the dinosaur dark ages. The earliest archosaurs all not only have scales, but osteoderms. They were very similar to crocodilians.
Anonymous No.5021988 [Report] >>5021992
>>5021972
I'm so glad this neoliberal hell is coming to an end and your hippie shit will be buried beneath the foundations of Hell itself. God DAMN you cucks are annoying.
Anonymous No.5021992 [Report] >>5021994
>>5021988
It's only coming to an end because your civilization is collapsing and then china's going to buy it

Then ALL the dinosaurs will have feathers, forever. Century of the dragon, BEEYOTCH!
Anonymous No.5021994 [Report] >>5022000
>>5021992
It's not my civilization. In fact, it's not a civilization of any kind.
Anonymous No.5022000 [Report] >>5022002
>>5021994
That's a big cope for a future employee at the people's iphone factory
Anonymous No.5022001 [Report] >>5022003 >>5022004 >>5022008
What the fuck do vaccines have to do with how large theropods looked?
Paleothreads really are a black hole for discussion
Anonymous No.5022002 [Report]
>>5022000
You don't know what's coming, do you? You're such a godforsaken wicked irredeemable creature, I don't even pity you.
Anonymous No.5022003 [Report] >>5022006 >>5022013
>>5022001
We're gaslighting paleoschizo. It's like our national sport.
Anonymous No.5022004 [Report]
>>5022001
Academia has been poisoned by 70 years of hippie CIA bullshit. It's coming to an end now and all the shabbos that have built their corrupt careers on it are mad.
Anonymous No.5022006 [Report]
>>5022003
You can't gaslight the clairvoyant. You can only fool yourself.
Anonymous No.5022008 [Report] >>5022009
>>5022001
>why are you guys pointing out an example of science being fallible, corrupt and untrustworthy? grr, let me be obtuse!
Anonymous No.5022009 [Report] >>5022010 >>5022014
>>5022008
>Creating a vaccine that helped end the pandemic is an act of corruption
I didn't know zika babies could use the internet
Anonymous No.5022010 [Report]
>>5022009
I guess killing people technically counts as helping end the pandemic, so you aren't wrong.
Anonymous No.5022013 [Report] >>5022219
>>5022003
Now that you put it that way i see how you baited him into getting more hilariously unhinged
Anonymous No.5022014 [Report]
>>5022009
China did create such a vaccine

Pfizer did not. China is superior. China number one.
Anonymous No.5022017 [Report] >>5022020
>>5021368
>that size
>ambush predator
Where the fuck is a dinosaur that size hiding? Maybe the smaller ones. But T. Rex and that whole lineage were not fucking ambushing anyone. You'd see those big fucks coming from a mile away.
Xu Xing No.5022020 [Report]
>>5022017
They were definitely scavengers.
Anonymous No.5022042 [Report] >>5022220
>>5021887
>the skin impressions are tiny and small "elephant hair" proto-feathers do not fossilize well
Sounds like insane COPE, Tray.
Anonymous No.5022045 [Report]
>>5021301 (OP)
Fossils from China show Tyrannosaurids to be covered in scales. Improperly recovered specimens from North America during the 1890's aren't reliable.
Anonymous No.5022219 [Report]
>>5022013
I remain exactly as hinged as I have ever been. It is you troons that are losing your minds at my infamy.
Anonymous No.5022220 [Report] >>5022223 >>5022277
>>5022042
It's actually scale denialism. The hottest new featherfag trend. And it's not just random internet trolls that push it.
Anonymous No.5022223 [Report] >>5022235
>>5022220
T rex had leathery chicken skin with tiny bird hairs. It was a gross looking bear vulture.
Anonymous No.5022235 [Report]
>>5022223
Elephants don't have scales underneath their hair, honey. Also, you look fat.
Anonymous No.5022277 [Report] >>5022287 >>5022335
>>5022220
Jesus Christ, what kind of mental gymnastics is this? Why can't they just accept that T. rex most likely had scales?
I mean, I'm pretty sure I know why, but still.
Anonymous No.5022287 [Report] >>5022335
>>5022277
Because these people DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE TRUTH. It's fascinating to me that american "culcha" is 100% saturated with propaganda, yet everyone is supposed to believe that everyone is always being objective and arguing in good faith.

I'm fucking telling you the explanation. The CIA started the dinosaur renaissance. It's purpose was to destroy paleontology so white males wouldn't like it anymore. It's not a joke. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's not a misunderstanding of their mission parameters. Once you understand you're in the middle of a war that encompasses every sphere of life from housing costs to what video games you like, you'll begin to understand why everything is so fucking retarded and gay.
Anonymous No.5022330 [Report]
>>5021948
Large theropods are, yes
Or do you think tyrannosaurids had special padded feet to be as quiet as possible for tap dancing or something?
Anonymous No.5022335 [Report] >>5022371
>>5022287
Sounds more like you don't care about the truth, only about natural history fitting your preconceived ideas.

>>5022277
It's called actual science.

T. Rex descended from a clade to which feathers are most likely ancestral. Or, they could have arose several times.

It could have lost its feathers entirely, kept a few, or never had them in the first place. There are only sparse skin impressions for a likely structure that doesn't fossilize well. This is the only actual answer. We don't know. It's guesswork. T Rex's appearance is almost entirely theoretical, scales or not.
Anonymous No.5022371 [Report] >>5022372
>>5022335
Hey remember that time that Bob Bakker claimed that Dinosaur predator:prey ratios resembled mammalian megafauna and the predators were in the single digit % with ZERO evidence to back this up, then Jack Horner showed that T. rex was 1/4 of the dinosaurs at Hell Creek.

Fun times.
Anonymous No.5022372 [Report] >>5022374
>>5022371
>what is preservation bias
Anonymous No.5022374 [Report] >>5022384
>>5022372
WHAT preservation bias? Would you care to present ANY evidence to support Bob Bakker's claim? Allosaurus is the 2nd most common dinosaur at Morrison. Velociraptor is the second most common Dinosaur at Djadoctha. T. rex is the third most common dinosaur at Hell Creek. Can you faggot glowniggers offer ANYTHING to back your nu-paleo bullshit jewtube conspiracy theory tier version of "paleontology" you insist is correct? Or is everyone simply wrong by default because of your kafka trap jewish horseshit?

>Well clearly you can't prove I'm NOT right, so therefore you're wrong.
That's not how science works, swarthoid. That shit may fly in south america, india, israel or china, but white people don't operate like this. And all you're actually accomplishing is raising an entire generation that rejects academia as a pack of media shitting liars no more honest than Fox News or CNN. So, please, continue with your lies, and I'll continue with THE Truth and we'll see who wins.
Anonymous No.5022384 [Report] >>5022393
>>5022374
1/3rd of fossils at E quarry in Langebaanweg are carnivores like hyenas. The Cooper’s D assembly is 25% large Carnivorans. 90% of fossils at La Brea are carnivores. Do you believe that those are all representative of the actual ecology of the sites? Please find me one place today where 30% of the fauna is comprised of large predators
Anonymous No.5022393 [Report] >>5022394 >>5022398 >>5022418
>>5022384
Oh welp, I concede that you're always right then. Please transition as soon as possible. The problem with your bullshit propaganda is that it's not even a position. There's simply no way to "prove" you wrong in your demnented, syphilis-infested "mind". Everything is just another kafka trap, even when you deny the very visible evidence of the fossils themselves.

You're a joke.

You also failed to back up Bakker's claims. Still. I'll give you another shot. Give me ONE (1) piece of DINOSAUR evidence to back up Bob Bakker's claims that megacarnivores represent single digit % of the dinosaur community in a given formation. Pick one. Any. Anywhere on Earth. I'm waiting.
Anonymous No.5022394 [Report] >>5022398
>>5022393
Positive evidence.

NOT inference.
NOT a lack of evidence you consider to be evidence.

POSITIVE evidence. Actual fossil record evidence that backs Bakker's claims. Anything will do. From the entire paleontological record. PLEASE. Name even a formation where a single dinosaur has been found and it's just a carnivore. I want you to prove you know SOMETHING about dinosaurs. You're fucking tiresome and I want SOMETHING out of you. Otherwise you're just here to waste everyone's time and that's sad.
Anonymous No.5022398 [Report] >>5022399 >>5022404
>>5022393
>>5022394
You know, you shouldn’t act so smug asking for something you don’t believe exists when you haven’t actually checked first
>For the Dinosaur Park MAZ-1 the megaherbivore/tyrannosaurid ratio is 10:1, and thus the tyrannosaurid/megaherbivore ratio is 0.10 (Table 3). The megaherbivore/Gorgosaurus ratio is 17.5:1, and the Gorgosaurus/megaherbivore ratio is 0.057
>https://anatomypubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.25024
Anonymous No.5022399 [Report] >>5022404
>>5022398
because its retarded, it cant fathom that whats considered accurate changes with more dates to work with.

That and it uses an extinct palm genus that first shows up in the late Santonian and is primarily a Cenezoic genus is respossible or all feathered dinosaur fossils from the mid jurassic onward
Anonymous No.5022404 [Report] >>5022405 >>5022408 >>5022409 >>5022411
>>5022398
No, I'm actually happy you found one! It demonstrates you're functioning properly! Congratulations. It might be sort of cheating, since Centrosaurines form the largest herds in the entire fossil record, but I'll give it to you.

Unfortunately, that was the only olive branch I'm extending you, because the rest of the entire dinosaur fossil record proves you wrong. And those Centrosaurus megabonebeds are likely from migratory superherds not endemic to the area.

>>5022399
Honey there are ferns with mid-rachis spines also. Just like in Longisquama. You may be surprised to learn this, since paleobotany is basically a forbidden art at this point, but just about every bullshit "feather" you trannies come up with has an analog in the plant world, but not in any living animal. Maybe arthropods or something odd. But definitely not vertebrates. The plant from the Madygen likely belongs to an extinct group of plants, since Triassic plants are much more different from Cenozoic plants than those from about the mid to late Jurassic on.
Anonymous No.5022405 [Report] >>5022411
>>5022404
I should mention there are also palms with such features. So there's an entire kingdom of organisms that possess these traits. Without ever having to fantastically paste feathers on everything.

Occam's Razor: Either feathers evolved 700,000 times for absolutely no apparent reason except that reddit likes it. Or people just misidentified plants because nobody fucking studies paleobotany anymore.
Anonymous No.5022408 [Report] >>5022417
>>5022404
>And those Centrosaurus megabonebeds are likely from migratory superherds not endemic to the area
Like how cats and hyenas don’t actually form a small percentage of the fauna in the Serengeti, it just seems that way because of the migratory megaherds of wildebeest and zebra
Anonymous No.5022409 [Report] >>5022421
>>5022404
>Honey there are ferns with mid-rachis spines also
There are. Mesenteriophyllum isn’t one of them though
Anonymous No.5022411 [Report]
>>5022404
>>5022405
Sure ms(AMAB) schizo, the two pictures you use look in any way alike and all feathered dinosaurs were buried by their scaly friends in palm fronds that hadn't even evolved yet. Lets go get your meds!
Anonymous No.5022417 [Report] >>5022420 >>5022429
>>5022408
No, you dipshit. There's not really any comparison. You think they're the same issue because you're a moron.

1: Zebras and Wildebeest aren't the size of Centrosaurus.
2: Their main predators were MUCH larger than the largest big cats in Africa.
3: The entire ecosystem was forest. Grassland didn't exist yet. A good comparison would be Asian Elephants. You don't see them in groups of thousands. I don't even believe that's a historic possibility before humans started wiping them out.

People have a bad habit of underestimating how big dinosaurs are, just incorrectly assuming they're warm-blooded and not reptiles and that everything was always grassland.

Now, you *are* sort of correct in one regard, though you're too stupid to understand it. These migratory Centrosaurine herds ARE like migratory mixed herbivore herds during migration in Africa and that WOULD explain why both dwarf the local apex predator populations.
Anonymous No.5022418 [Report] >>5022426
>>5022393
What a retarded thing to ask. The Winton formation has a grand total of two theropods. If you take a few minutes to look you’ll find plenty of formations where theropods are rare. You would have to be retarded to think any megacarnivore would consist of 25% of the megafauna in any given region, let alone one where all the prey animals were smaller like hell creek
Anonymous No.5022420 [Report] >>5022429
>>5022417
Problem is, the zebras and wildebeest do this outside of migration also. Every mammalian megafaunal community on Earth does (marine ecosystems work differently). There's also the issue of Triceratops, which aren't herding or migratory and we have a much better understanding of their population dynamics because Hell Creek is probably the best studied dinosaur containing formation in the history of the world. Again, this is the formation where one of, if not the largest terrestrial predator to ever live is part of the community and it comprises 20-24% of the megafauna. You can't claim sampling bias at Hell Creek. It's better studied even than La Brea. La Brea is one "ecosystem" if you can even call it that. It's a death pit. Nobody in their right mind would take its animal composition seriously as representative of the local fauna, and the fact you're missing, because you don't study any of this shit (I do) is that other records of the same Pleistocene megafauna SHOW that tar pit specimens aren't representative. So no paleontologist believes this. You seem to have decided to forget or leave out that bit...for some reason.
Anonymous No.5022421 [Report] >>5022424
>>5022409
Bruh.
Anonymous No.5022424 [Report]
>>5022421
>behold a feather!
Anonymous No.5022426 [Report]
>>5022418
Sorry, sweaty, that's what the actual evidence says. And it doesn't just say it once. It says it at ALL of the best-studied dinosaur-containing formations. The only wiggle room you have are the ones that are poorly studied.

One might even call it X of the gaps, if one were inclined. But no, you can't really make that argument in the formations where actual work has been done. Sorry, the fossil record is VERY clear on this. You quite simply believe something that isn't true based on cherrypicking scant evidence while ignoring well fleshed-out evidence.
Anonymous No.5022429 [Report] >>5022431
>>5022417
>People have a bad habit of underestimating how big dinosaurs are, just incorrectly assuming they're warm-blooded
Large cold blooded predators are also always a tiny fraction of the fauna in any given environment. Look at nile crocodiles and Komodo dragons for example
>>5022420
>You can't claim sampling bias at Hell Creek
Sure you can. T. rex would be more common than birds and insects if you just look at the number of fossils
>because you don't study any of this shit (I do)
(lol)
>is that other records of the same Pleistocene megafauna SHOW that tar pit specimens aren't representative
Except Pleistocene non-predator trap formations also show a substantially higher frequency of large carnivores than what would exist in reality? Again look at Langebaanweg
>The only wiggle room you have are the ones that are poorly studied, except for the ones that aren’t like dinosaur park
Anonymous No.5022431 [Report] >>5022435 >>5022443
>>5022429
Nile Crocs have enormous populations. I don't know what you think you're talking about. Komodo Dragons are an endangered species because of humans. Why do you tards keep bringing them up, as if they're representative of a healthy population?

>Sure you can.
You're right, you can. You'll just be wrong. Have fun with that.

>Except Pleistocene non-predator trap formations also show a substantially higher frequency of large carnivores than what would exist in reality?
No they don't, and I promise this is something I know far more about than you do. The Ancient Bison was possibly the only megafaunal species other than humans to hit a billion. The second most common megaherbivore (if you can call it that) would probably be Platygonus, a peccary. The megaherbivore community absolutely fucking DWARFED the megacarnivore community in Pleistocene North America. There's no comparison. And this is a well-studied subject so you have absolutely no fucking wiggle room here. You're FAR out of your depth. Help yourself out and stop while you're ahead.

>Langebaanweg
>Brings up some random, poorly-studied location nobody has ever heard of
Why do you keep doing this? Why do you intentionally keep cherrypicking poorly-studied locations to "prove" your bullshit and ignoring the extremely well-studied ones? The Leysey Shell Pit in Florida is better studied just by itself than the entire site you just referenced. And that's ONE site in one state FULL of Pleistocene sites, in a country full of well-studied pleistocene sites.
Anonymous No.5022435 [Report] >>5022443
>>5022431
Oh wow, I just looked it up, Nile Crocs are nearly endangered too. Jesus hell. So I'll restate that: they SHOULD have enormous populations and where they aren't exploited they do.
Anonymous No.5022443 [Report] >>5022446
>>5022431
>Komodo Dragons are an endangered species because of humans
Even at their current population they live in extremely high densities compared to almost any other terrestrial predator. Yet deer still vastly outnumber them today and did in the past
>Nile Crocs have enormous populations. I don't know what you think you're talking about
I’m talking about the fact that they’re only a fraction of the herbivore population. Tanzania/serengeti NP has one of the highest nile croc populations at 70,000. Meanwhile there’s 500,000 Thompson’s and Grant’s gazelles, 200,000 zebras, 200,000 Cape buffalo, 1.5 million wildebeest, 40,000 impala, 30,000 giraffes, etc, etc. That puts crocs at just under 3% of just those ungulates. That’s not even considering that they eat a lot of fish and their food intake is far lower than any theropod’s or that there’s a shitload more ungulate species.
>No they don't, and I promise this is something I know far more about than you do
They do though, two were just listed in this thread
>The megaherbivore community absolutely fucking DWARFED the megacarnivore community in Pleistocene North America
And that’s representative of every Pleistocene assemblage? Also that’s not limiting it to a single formation
>Brings up some random, poorly-studied location nobody has ever heard of
You not having heard of it doesn’t mean it’s poorly studied. It’s one of Africa’s most important for Carnivorans, it has a shitload of machairodontines
>The Leysey Shell Pit in Florida is better studied
You mean the one where a single site’s fossil assemblage is 90% one camel species? Yeah I’m sure there’s no preservation bias there
>>5022435
Nile crocodiles are least concern
Anonymous No.5022446 [Report] >>5022449
>>5022443
>I’m talking about the fact that they’re only a fraction of the herbivore population
Not historically. But this is also sort of apples to oranges as these animals live in different ecosystems. But no, Nile Croc populations used to be absolutely insane.

>They do though, two were just listed in this thread
Alright, I'm done reading anything you have to say. You're clearly just pushing propaganda and we both know it. You're wasting everyone's time.
Anonymous No.5022449 [Report] >>5022450
>>5022446
>Not historically
Yes historically
>But no, Nile Croc populations used to be absolutely insane
For somebody who likes to go on about evidence so much there doesn’t seem to be much proof of this. Tanzania’s croc population is healthy and they’re not a rare in the first place. What should the population be?
>You're wasting everyone's time
When you say everyone do you just mean yourself or are you including the voices in your head that tell you about the chinese?
Anonymous No.5022450 [Report] >>5022520
>>5022449
crocodiles are specialist sit and wait ambush predators with low base metabolisms that can go months without food and be fine, not active energy using mesothermic hunters like Theropods.
Anonymous No.5022514 [Report] >>5022523 >>5022525
I love this model by Blue Rhino studios. It's already 6 years old but with every finding and paper we keep coming back to it

>scaled
>lipped (but not dick sucking lips like that some dumbass illustrations)
>keratin over eyes
>bulky fucker
Anonymous No.5022520 [Report] >>5022524
>>5022450
Yes, which is why it’s retarded for paleoschizo to assume that something like T. rex could actually comprise 1/4 of the megafauna in hell creek just because it was cold blooded (it wasn’t) when even crocodiles couldn’t sustain such numbers
Anonymous No.5022523 [Report]
>>5022514
>The best Hadrosaur reproduction ever made is just a food prop for the faggotest animal to ever live
Blue Rhino ought to be fucking ashamed for this one.
Anonymous No.5022524 [Report] >>5022542
>>5022520
I'm not assuming shit, you lying kike. Go read a fucking paper and stop shitting up the board with your smug baldface lying.
Anonymous No.5022525 [Report] >>5022537
>>5022514
You should note: bulky, but appropriately so because they were actually trying to make it look real, not trendy.
Anonymous No.5022537 [Report] >>5023009
>>5022525
Went to see her once, the torso is fucking massive. I do wonder if they use that bulk to push other rivals around during mating season
Anonymous No.5022542 [Report]
>>5022524
You are assuming that though. The last time you had this argument you even straight up lied and claimed that the 20-25% number for T. rex is identical to the stocking capacity of crocodilians which is complete and utter horse shit. You’re a liar and a moron and this board loves nothing more than to see you throw a fit over something completely pointless
Anonymous No.5023009 [Report]
>>5022537
It was noted that she as an individual was pretty bulky with shorter than average legs relative to her total mass
Anonymous No.5023042 [Report] >>5023045
Why do dinosaur Internet fights get so vituperative?
Anonymous No.5023045 [Report]
>>5023042
Autism
Anonymous No.5023048 [Report] >>5023050 >>5023055
>>5021330
to be fair elephants do vary from very dark grey to very light grey to brownish to tannish with different levels of pink or orange of whatever other color mottling
Anonymous No.5023050 [Report]
>>5023048
as a quick comparison
Anonymous No.5023055 [Report] >>5023089
>>5023048
Pajeet earlet elephants just look wrong to me.
Anonymous No.5023089 [Report]
>>5023055
I think they’re cute I like their little ears and the extra fuzzy ones.
Anonymous No.5024984 [Report]
>>5021301 (OP)
This but unironically.
Anonymous No.5024988 [Report]
>>5021851
i dont think any camouflage can hide the fact theyre a several ton animal, i feel like you would know if thats around, and if you dont, you deserve it