Thread 5023798

>By sweety, Mommy needs to go to work.
dogcels, how do we respond without sounding sad?

>>5023798 (OP)
Crating without a medical emergency or black contractors going in and out is animal abuse
Not crate training is also animal abuse

>>5023798 (OP)
Let me give you a rundown:
>A) You raise them from a pup to associate their bed or toys with the crate
>B) You don't try to crate train a dog that you haven't climatized to associate their crate with their bed or toys
>C) You don't need to close the crate when absent unless it's an absolute emergency such as >>5023799 stated
>D) If you have an anxious dog they can benefit having a hide to retreat too which a crate can provide (pretty common with sighthounds)
>E) You ensure the crate is big enough for the dog and has acess to water and as stated before toys
>F) Once crate trained it makes it far easier to transport your dog in the future
>G) Dogs don't have the same human conceptions of crates as we do, so arguing crate bad cuz it looks bad is not really an arguement

If you follow that then crate training is fine. If you don't it becomes a problem.

>>5023824
>Crate bad because it looks bad
Shutting an animal in a space that is just large enough to stand up in, without water, for 8 hours because you cant train or provide for your dogs mental needs IS bad and it looks bad because it is bad.

No one will ever argue that crating your dog when both doors are propped open and the gates in the yard are too is bad
Or that crating your dog with a torn tendon or hurt back is bad

But people who shut their dogs in these boxes "when they aren't using them" are just being cruel to animals. It's usually some useless childless cunt with a malinois too.

>>5023831
I had a coworker that took alot of overtime and used to leave his Laberdoodle in alone in the crate for 16+ hours in his apartment. Guy was a cunt

At what point is it too long to leave a dog in a crate

>>5023851
Its not how long, but why

You shouldnt be locking them in a crate unless you have no other choice. A healthy dog that can not freely roam your house under normal circumstances is not your dog and you have failed or are simy not suited to owning an animal that was, traditionally, exclusive to people who worked and lived in the same place or had a family.

>>5023857
Some dogs are so fucked up and "wired" that they will not rest unless you literally lock them up in a kennel.

>>5023857
Hypothetically lets say someone works for 4 days a week on a 7-7 shift pattern and live in a small but two story home. Would it be ethicaly doable for that person to have a dog with an open crate during those 4 days of the week with a professional dog walker to visit each day to get them some activity and company? Bearing in mind the dog will also be immediately walked on said hypothetical person coming back from work? The remaining 3 days would be said person mostly at home or going out in a dog friendly space too.

>>5023860
if you're that concerned and willing to hire a dog walker when you're gone, of course. the average dog owner uses their backyard as a babysitter when they're gone

>>5023862
Perfect, thanks for the advice anon

>>5023859
No, that’s just your shit dog ownership. Even if it is the dog, why would you buy a neurotic military-police mutt as a single man? Rehome such dogs to people that can own them. Even huskies dont need crated unless completely neglected and left 100% alone. Shit owner issue.

>>5023870
Not saying I have a dog like that. I know a dude with a GSP and while he knows like 30+ commands, the dog doesn't know how to chill.

>>5023872
>Buy trials champion working dog, selectively bred to be so mentally ill the entire bloodline is on the razors edge between superior obedience and developing epilepsy
>Own it as a pet
>Wtf it's nuts?
Shit owner issue indeed
Dogs like that have to be trained to chill and shouldn't exist anymore desu - nor do they outside of "dog sports" and frou-frou thousandaires larping as victorian lords.

>>5023879
>Dog likes being locked in?
>That can't be, kill the whole fucking line

>>5023798 (OP)
owning a big dog in an apartment is animal abuse

>>5023824
That's a lot of rationalizing for keeping a pet dog in a cage indoors.

>>5024098
There is a lot of ways to rationalize not killing yourself. What's your point?

>>5023798 (OP)
Is it normal for peoples dogs to tear up the whole house when they are gone? Mine just play or get bored and sleep all day.

>>5024211
>Is it normal for peoples dogs to tear up the whole house when they are gone
If they are young or not used to seperation, yes

Dogs are crepuscular.

>I-it's not the heckin doggerino's fault it's the owner!!!
Why are dogfags so cucked?

>>5023824
>If you have an anxious dog they can benefit having a hide to retreat to
Are you supposed to cover the crate in this use case or something, or is having the metal frame surrounding them supposed to be good enough
Don't have an anxious dog but that sounds interesting

>>5023870
If there was any justice in this insane world all these dog imprisoning cunts would be forced into the same crate for hours every day for at least a few months. Perhaps THEN they'd understand what a bunch of evil bullshit they are doing via their willful ignorance / weak hive minds.

>>5024654
Isn't that just prison? Tons of ex-convicts own dogs, I don't think this would really change anyone's mind.

>>5023824
My dog cannot be trusted to roam the house unsupervised. He's normally a good boy but in the few hours no one's home during the day he inevitably gets inti trouble, usually in the bathrooms or bedrooms.

>>5024688
>I'm a shitty dog owner and my dog gets bored in solitary confinement so I put them in worse solitary confinement
how do you feel when you remember there are people who can confidently leave huskies at home for 10 hours and you're stuck locking your dog in a tiny box, likely without water

>>5024554
it IS the owners fault. this crating bullshit is a modern trend that arose at the same time as dog owners being more and more addicted to social media, resulting in people with all their free time eaten up by instagram buying instagram/youtube meme dogs like malinois and GSPs
>Dog owner 2025
>Glued to phone
>Shirt says "DRIVE" with a shepherd siloughette
>Spells it "shepard"
>Gets angry at dog for breaking heel
>Collar pops galore
>Trains dog (often abusively) but does not spend quality time with dog
>Might play fetch and get angry over a lack of consistent fetch performance
>Went back 100 years into the retarded tail of the dark ages called "the enlightenment" (more like the dunning kruger peak) and thinks dogs are conditioning based robots instead of highly intelligent social animals, a literal degenerate who understands mans oldest friend worse than illiterate mesopotamians did

>>5024696
My house is old, none of the doors can be locked and my dog is convinced every room of the house is full of fun things to stick his head into. I'd rather him be in a box for a few hours than dead with his head stuck behind the washing machine or dying from a belly full of borax.

>>5024699
>My dog is understimulated and untrained
How do you feel when people safely and confidently leave huskies at home for 10 hours and you can't manage this

>>5024700
Anon, dogs explore. Hes not destructive he's just a dog. I can't trust him to not hurt himself. He's gotten stuck in the bathroom twice because he shut the door on himself.

>>5024703
Bruh people have mals and even wolfdogs chilling on the couch when they go to work and you can't manage this

Your dog sounds chronically understimulated in addition to living in a poorly maintained shitshack. Fix your doors, train your dog, walk them at least twice a day.

>>5024705
He gets three walks a day, he has toys, he has water, but hes an dummy who thinks he can find us if he looks hard enough.

>>5024706
>3 walks
Now I'm starting to believe you bought an overly drivey dog for a pet and are trying to compensate excessively instead of doing the hard thing, and training your dog to chill in the house

Overly drivey dogs are OCD-autists stuck in a binary mode of thought with a desperate need to please. This type of canine is an entirely modern invention and isn't normal for a dog. Most of them are found on ranches and in police departments. They are of the kind that can not even play in the house because they will become compelled to look for play all the time, and can't see a laser pointer without going insane over points of light for the rest of their life. Hope this helps.

I fucking hate having a job that requires me to be away from home.

>>5024707
Hes just a regular dog, he doesn't have any extreme personality traits (unless you count being absolutely terrified of Grey Hounds.) We just walk a lot in general. He's a good dog he just isn't trustworthy enough to be left to roam for extended periods.

>>5024716
>terrified of greyhounds
this is extremely funny to me, why is he like that?

>>5024717
No clue, but they freak him out. He's never even directly interacted with the three that live near us, he just sees/smells them from down the street and immediately starts trying to go in the opposite direction.

>>5024716
>He's just a regular dog he just has neglected neurotic behaviors
Fix your doors
Train your dog

>>5024726
>neglected neurotic behaviors
What? What the fuck are you talking about?

>>5024729
Mostly the part where your dog can't chill alone, and is afraid of greyhounds

Fix your doors and train your dog better. No one needed crates until the past 20 years.

>>5024738
He's probably afraid of grey hounds because the lady who owns them puts clothes on them and he's never seen that before.
>where your dog can't chill alone
I feel like you're intentionally misunderstanding me at this point.

>>5024688
you dont know how to raise dogs

>>5024697
>it IS the owners fault. this crating bullshit is a modern trend that arose at the same time as dog owners being more and more addicted to social media
Anon, crate training has been a thing for decades.

>>5024716
>Hes just a regular dog, he doesn't have any extreme personality traits (unless you count being absolutely terrified of Grey Hounds.)
>>5024717
>why is he like that?
>>5024720
>No clue, but they freak him out
>He just sees/smells them from down the street and immediately starts trying to go in the opposite direction
My fucking sides kek
Is this what they call an "Aura Clash"?

>>5023799
Is that a functioning brain I sense ? Sorry that's not allowed

How common are crates where you all live? I'm not american (Nordicuck here), I almost never see dog owners needing crates for their dogs, only the ones you see in the back of a car which is more for the dog's safety than anything else. Most if not all dog owners I have known would either A) arrange someone do look after their dog (a dogsitter I suppose) during work days or B) put them in a doggy daycare, most of which have several scheduled daily walks with all dogs walking together. For what it's worth, the few times we had to leave our dog alone for a couple of hours, he preferred sleeping on the stone floor in our laundry room rather than in his designated dog bed lol.

>Dogs need to be trained in order not to be neurotic wrecks
What happened to the "dogs are smart!!!" narrative?

Do apartmentcucks seriously buy these huge dogs and then lock them in a crate all day?
What the hell is wrong with city slickers?

>>5025940
Smart animals become neurotic if locked in a house for 8 hours all on their lonesome

Just look at yourself. You’re almost as smart as a dog and you’ve gone totally fucking insane.

>>5023798 (OP)
Pet owners are mentally ill

>>5026261
realest post itt

>>5024707
3walks is the bare minimum?
everyo e in my neighbourhood (yes we are white) walks their dogs 4 times aday.
(Before work, during lunchbreak, after work/ school, after dinner and also sometimes a quickie (not really a walk) before bed.)

Are you saying this is controversial? Do you just leave your dog in a doghouse all day except for one long walk or what?

>>5026261
No just dog owners

>>5026320
please don't reply to yourself like that.

>>5026321
Cope and seethe

You shouldn't only keep 1 of a pack/herd animal regardless, not sure why that's normalcore for a dog

>has every piece of knowledge in the palm of their hand
>still needs to lock us inside a cage for their selfish amusement
why are humans like this?

>>5026532
One dog is perfectly fine but you are the other dog

>>5026320
You got them mixed up with cat owners. The lunatics who project secret king nonsense onto a retarded weasel critter.

>>5026532
Walking multiple dogs and trying to keep them calm and controlled is a massive pain in the ass compared to just one. Can't relax with two or more so it sucks any joy out of walking a dog or being in public. It's nice knowing with one you can just pick it up and quickly leave if there's a bad situation. I'd consider a cat before multiple dogs again if needed. Thankfully dogs are quite adaptable.

>>5026551
You don't live with anyone that could help you walk another dog? I live with my mom's Maltese and my Keeshond, her Maltese only needs an evening walk but my dog gets walked twice.

>>5023831
The people who do this shit just want dogs as accessories, not companions.

The only time I ever used a crate on my dog was when we first got him and we needed to toilet train him at night. We had the crate a foot away from our bed on a stand so our pup could see us and then in the middle of the night if he'd start whining we'd take him outside to pee. Worked really good for toilet training. Probably did that for about a month. Now he just sleeps in the bed with us.

>>5023859
That's not true, I have an ACD which is a breed notorious for having no 'off switch' but to get him to chill out he just needs a tone of exercise, much more than the average dog owner can handle though.

>>5024688
Why not just shut the doors to the bathrooms and bedrooms and add a doggy door so he can go in and out of the backyard?

>>5025634
It's definitely an American thing. I grew up in Australia and I never heard of it until I came to America.

>>5025634
As an American I can confirm every single dog owner I have met here either uses crates, or has had direct experience with an owner who does use them.

>>5025634
I think roughly a quarter of dog owners in bongland use them. They are very common with greyhound or whippet owners. If not that it is usually large protection dog breeds where the owner uses them for transportation but when they are concerned about how they will react to guests they put them in a crate before introducing them to the guests to show they are not intruders

>>5026791
What is it about greyhounds and whippets that makes them need crates? Or do they just really like them for whatever reason?

>>5026850
I have no clue. I just chalk it up to them being naturally anxious

>>5023798 (OP)
Can we like, nuke all catfag tard bait off the boards permanently?

>>5023798 (OP)
is it more cruel to leave them out in the backyard when I'm at work? Permitting the weather is nice (not snowing or 100+ degrees). What the fuck am I supposed to do? Quit my job and be my dog's slave?

>>5023798 (OP)
I gnaw my way through this feeble cage and proceed to consume the entire living room couch. Work from home bitch.

>>5028916
You're not supposed to get one because peasants aren't meant to have luxuries. Work enough to pay for your funeral and fuck off quietly, slave.

>>5023831
Had a friend do that to his purebred husky. 10+ hours a day in a tiny crate. It would routinely piss and shit in the crate too, cause ofcourse.
The dog used to bark up a storm and run around the house nonstop too. You can tell he was dying to go for walks and be outside running around, but my friend was an indoor type that just wanted a husky cause he liked them, not because the dog actually fit his lifestyle.
Brutal.

>>5026220
Project harder

>>5032196
Lol it took you 12 days to think of that response?
Pretty embarrassing Tbh.

>>5024649
Nta. It depends on the dog, some might dislike the lack of light, but most who go for their den because of anxiety do prefer it to be covered unless it is too hot.

>>5032195
and the glory of it is, not only do they not comprehend (nor are they able to), if they could through the bare minimum of consciousness needed to, they would still take it over being a cat, because the ability to think natural freedom (which includes freedom from safety) is a good thing is uniquely human